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#rockbox log for 2008-04-14

00:00:18 Quit velixzeen ("[hienoa] - your ass is glowing!")
00:00:28BigBambir0rshach: Anyway, it isn't a problem, it is just a setting you may have to change :)
00:00:38r0rshachthe 100 gig drive is 161
00:00:43BigBambi161 what?
00:00:54BigBambir0rshach: This is a very international channel...
00:00:55r0rshachdollaredoos
00:00:55amiconnbananas ;)
00:01:23r0rshachbut it seems dumb to go from 60 to 80...
00:01:35r0rshachbut 80 is quite big....i suppose
00:01:59 Join CyBergRind|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130)
00:02:39amiconnHmm, interesting effect... if I increase the wait-for-voltage-to-stabilize sleep() after ide_power_enable() in ata.c to HZ/10, the dropout goes away
00:02:42BigBambir0rshach: Have you looked at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement to make sure you get the correct connector?
00:02:58amiconnHZ/20 isn't enough (SVN uses HZ/50)
00:02:58r0rshachyes
00:03:29amiconnNot the question is - why does this cause a dropout if only reading non playback related data??
00:03:37r0rshachthanks bambi
00:03:48BigBambino probs
00:03:54amiconn(in my case, any dr listing, while music is playing and buffer is still well filled)
00:06:02bertrikthere'
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00:06:54bertrikthere's an "#else if" line in viewports_test.c, it causes a compiler warning and I think it should be #elif, shall I fix it?
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00:07:20DerPapstbertrik: please do
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00:09:37peturjhMikeS: in thread.c line 2025, if it breaks at that point, does that mean irq stays off (I might not understand that code completely, just asking). At the other break point (line 2042) irq is switched on again.
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00:11:28r0rshachactually bambi i take that back i just double check and there is only one model that appear to fit in my player
00:11:36r0rshachso itll be harder to shop around
00:11:54CasainhoBagder: :-) - just to say that in the make file of u-boot, were defined the cross_compiler as "arm-linux-" and I changed that to "arm-elf-" :-) -- It did build the example hello world code... but, after gives an error saying "ar-elf-ld: libgcc.a uses hardware FP wheras u-boot uses software FP :-( :-(
00:12:19BigBambir0rshach: That page may not be complete, but you need to make sure that whatever you get has the same connector (and thickness) as the current one
00:12:35BagderFP?
00:12:45DerPapstfloating point
00:12:45Bagderu-boot doesn't use floats, does your app?
00:13:27*DerPapst wonders why he typed that...
00:13:37peturjhMikeS: nevermind me, overlooked that inner look :/
00:13:40petur*loop
00:14:03gevaertsDerPapst: because you weren't sure if Bagder knew that ?
00:14:45 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
00:14:57DerPapsti just read the FP? and not the name. I'm sure he knows that and alot more :-D
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00:15:52days_of_ruinSDMX4-8192-A70
00:16:01days_of_ruinIs this model of sansa compatible?
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00:16:20Bagdermodel of what?
00:16:42BagderI don't think we all know every possible model and serial number in existence
00:16:44days_of_ruinsansa e280 8gb
00:16:46DerPapste200 it seems
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00:17:02CasainhoBagder: no, my app is just returning, not floats....
00:17:03DerPapstthe e280 V1 is compartible with rockbox
00:17:09DerPapstbut not the V2
00:17:19 Quit serdarakkan ()
00:17:34days_of_ruinI am browsing it on amazon and am not sure if its v2 or not
00:17:40days_of_ruinI read the guidelines
00:17:41Bagderdays_of_ruin: I don't think we know of the model from the model/serial number
00:17:52Bagderdays_of_ruin: what firmware version is it?
00:18:03days_of_ruinThats what I cant figure out?
00:18:14Bagderoh
00:18:15days_of_ruinThere are user uploaded pics running rockbox
00:18:22BigBambidays_of_ruin: Sadly, the firmware version is the only sure way
00:18:37days_of_ruinbut the product discription mention Play for sure
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00:18:40BigBambiAlthough personally I would guess a new one from somewhere like Amazon would be v2
00:18:44 Quit gromit`` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:18:51Bagderindeed
00:18:53days_of_ruinSeller is Electronic Expo
00:19:17Bagdermostly it is impossible to tell v1 or v2 by reading seller pages
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00:19:49CasainhoBagder: do you think that I must build u-boot if I want to build an external application?
00:20:14BagderCasainho: quite possibly, yes. but I'm not sure. It's been a while since I did that
00:20:26days_of_ruincrap
00:20:39days_of_ruinI read a discussion and they said v2
00:20:43CasainhoBagder: okok, thanks - I will work on that
00:20:47Casainhogood night :-)
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00:21:07days_of_ruinCan I get rockbox to work with v2?
00:21:23days_of_ruinI saw some links on the site
00:21:26saratogasure, port it
00:21:28LloreanIt needs a lot of work to be done.
00:21:56saratogamaybe soon the supply of V1s will dry up and someone will be motivated to do the V2 port
00:21:57amiconnhrrrmmmm
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00:22:52*amiconn is hesitating to just increase the ata poweron voltage stabilisation time to the required amount found by testing on his mini
00:23:12days_of_ruinAny idea on when it will be ready?
00:23:15amiconnThere must be a reason why too early accesses make rockbox glitch
00:23:43Bagderdays_of_ruin: that's not possible to tell
00:23:43krazykitdays_of_ruin, there is no timeframe for new ports.
00:24:40peturamiconn: surprise surprise, if I alter that sleep it changes my bootloader crash too, but it is not caused by it I think, just influences it.
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00:25:01amiconnodd
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00:25:15amiconnThis is on ipod, where ata_reset() is empty
00:27:55amiconnAnd it seem to only happen on my mini - not on any of the other 3 PP targets I have, nor on linuxstb's Color
00:27:55days_of_ruinI might by it anyhow since its 8gb for $90 usd
00:27:55days_of_ruinor is it that cheap everywhere now?
00:27:55Bagderfriendlyzookeeper should just educate himself instead of filling that thread
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00:30:24DerPapstsounds like a "i'm outta ere" message. But i have my doubts :-P
00:30:28DerPapst*here
00:31:08BagderI read it more like "I need to educate these guys about that ARM cores can be used in different chips"
00:31:55LloreanBagder: I still think he expects rockbox to be an app running on Linux, or some such.
00:31:58BagderI need a mute function for specific threads in the forum!
00:32:09Bagderthat hides them from me
00:32:17LloreanBagder: I THINK I can arrange that, if you really want it.
00:32:30Bagdernah, I need to learn how to mute in my head
00:32:46Bagderthere's just too many voices there! ;-P
00:32:51*amiconn found the ata hard reset in the mini ROM :)
00:33:21LloreanBagder: Bah, there's just an ignore feature, or ignore board, mod, no ignore thread mod yet it seems
00:34:23*Llorean doesn't want to install the "ignore user" feature for fear that too many people will simply choose to ignore him.
00:34:50DerPapstcan't you just guide the zookeeper out of this thread somehow? e.g. it's locked for him but not for the rest :-P
00:34:52BigBambihaha :)
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00:35:56days_of_ruinhmm doesn't v2 have hcsd support?
00:36:04days_of_ruinWell it appears this one doesn't
00:36:32BigBambidays_of_ruin: The OF is of to particular concern here
00:36:39BigBambis/to/no
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00:42:10days_of_ruin??
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00:44:02peturBigBambi: he meant to use this as a way to discover if it is a V2
00:44:25BigBambipetur: Ah, OK
00:44:30BigBambidays_of_ruin: My apologies
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00:48:09DerPapstGood night all :-)
00:48:33 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!")
00:50:41 Quit bertrik ("bye")
00:51:18days_of_ruinnight?what side of the world are you on?:P
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00:53:02peturthe good side?
00:53:12Bagderhehe
00:53:19Bagderthe dark side?
00:53:35peturright now, yes
00:53:54*petur gives his h2380 an angry look
00:53:59peturerr h380
00:54:08scorche380 gigs?!?
00:54:18*scorche wants
00:54:31BigBambia H100 with a colour screen and 380 GB - wow
00:54:44peturno, 2080 GB
00:54:47*BigBambi is imagining a H100/H300 hybrid
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00:56:26peturI'm beginning to be quite convinced that my bootloader crash is actually a hardware issue.
00:57:55peturor maybe not
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00:58:11*petur unsure again...
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00:59:52*petur wonders if ide_power_enable() could cause some power fluctuation that causes a crash
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01:01:00amiconnWell, there's at least one Archos Player that crashes when using ide_power_enable(). That's why it's not enabled for Player in SVN
01:01:18amiconnMy Studio 10 works fine with it enabled
01:01:46peturI'm testing more, but I seem to always get up to right before that, and it fails if I print after it
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01:02:13amiconnThe crash in this case means that the whole thing powers off when the disk is powered on again after being switched off
01:02:20peturnow I'm putting variation on the time elsewhere to see if this observation is correct
01:02:48peturhere I once saw my printf text garbled.
01:02:54peturbut no reboot
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01:07:54peturwow, yet another IllInstr, but it arrived to just before the power_enable
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01:08:55peturwhoa, happens every time...
01:12:45peturhmmm this crash happens accessing a struct in the IBSS...
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01:14:18peturanybody with an h300 want to try a bootloader to see if it crashes?
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01:20:01*amiconn thinks this is for someone with a BDM within reach....
01:21:10*petur delays the investigation until devcon
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01:25:08soapWhy isn't Rockbox built for the 4G grey?
01:25:16soap*RockboY
01:26:05amiconnumm
01:26:32amiconnMentioned a hundred times at least - nobody implemented the display data conversion for those
01:27:48amiconnjhMikeS: I now have a new version of my clock skipping udelay, making it a regular iram function
01:28:21saratogaamiconn: do you expect a significant improvement in power use from clock skipping?
01:28:35amiconnAn interesting detail is that H10 uses *a lot* more udelay than mini G2 - my old patch increases H10 binsize by 1304 bytes, the new one decreases it by 568 bytes
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01:28:56amiconn...whereas the same number for mini are only +288 bytes and -36 bytes
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01:29:01amiconn*numbers
01:32:45amiconnsaratoga: A bit, perhaps. There must be a reason why portalplayer implemented clock skipping...
01:34:43saratogaI'll have to do new current measurements when its ready
01:35:26amiconnI will do 2 runtime tests, with and without patch, before committing
01:35:42saratogado you want me to do current measurements now?
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01:36:17amiconnNormal current consumption won't change. The deal is that average consumption will be lowered a little, because the cpu will be throtled during udelay
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01:36:35saratogaidle current should be lower though?
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01:36:57amiconnDepends on whether there are udelay calls
01:37:21amiconnNormal sleep() clock-skips for ages
01:37:32saratogai didn't realize that
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01:38:06linuxgeekhi there :)
01:38:18amiconnHence, I'll do the tests on H10 (because of its much larger amount of udelay calls)
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01:55:16r0rshachsuccess
01:55:50r0rshachmy creative zen (30 gig) drive has no been installed and added to my x5 (formerly 60 gig)
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01:56:05r0rshachthis will due for now, until i get that 80 gig
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02:49:16x86iahi,i got the ipod back,im webguest49
02:49:53x86iais there a diagnostic mode in the ipod?
02:50:37scorcheyes...google would tell you so..
02:50:50x86iahahaha,ok anyways thx
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03:22:16saratogai think i'm down to a single WMA problem sample
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04:33:03soapcongrats, saratoga
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06:00:51RoC_MasterMindI am considering getting a Toshiba Gigabeat F40 instead of an iPod 4th Gen...I see the LCD driver and usb handler aren't complete...what's the experience with rockbox like right now?
06:03:41scorcheit will be a much better device than an iPod 4th gen
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06:25:40RoC_MasterMindwhy is that scorche ?
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06:47:35[TiZ]Hey, guys.
06:48:14[TiZ]I already know where this is going to go, but I'd like someone to take a look at my readme file and point out what I did wrong with it. I'm sure I messed something up.
06:48:16[TiZ]http://eternaleon.googlepages.com/Readmedamnit.txt
06:48:34[TiZ]...Wait.
06:48:43[TiZ]Is this better in #rockbox-community?
06:49:28Llorean[TiZ]: I see at least one of your images has the -attribution clause. Have you found out explicitly what form of attribution the author of such images requires?
06:49:54[TiZ]They're all on Flickr, so I hope just a link to the page works.
06:50:05[TiZ]And they all have at least the attribution clause.
06:50:36LloreanThe attribution clause say, and I quote, "You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor"
06:50:58LloreanThis means you need to do it in the way the author says, which means you need to find out exactly where the author says what way they want attributed.
06:52:33[TiZ]None of them seem to say anywhere.
06:52:46[TiZ]Perhaps I should just submit my WPS without backdrops.
06:52:56krazykit[TiZ], you should ask them, then.
06:53:30[TiZ]Yahoo accounts work on Flickr, don't they?
06:54:23[TiZ]I'm sorry if I seem like a jerk right now. I'm still really sore about those backdrops I made.
06:54:53[TiZ]And I know it's not your fault.
06:55:35[TiZ]Anyways, I'm off-topic now. I'll stop here.
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08:06:42markunmorning people
08:06:56toffe82hello
08:07:26markuntoffe82: do you know if the Gigabeat S exploit works on the Gigabeat U as well?
08:08:31toffe82I don't think so, it is not windows base
08:08:48toffe82or do you mean the V ?
08:08:58markunah no, the T sorry
08:09:05markunall these models :)
08:09:50toffe82I want to try on the V, but didn't have time, I need to contact zunepet to ask him
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08:10:11toffe82the version of windows is the same
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08:10:42toffe82the version of windows on the T is not the same as the S and V
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08:11:42toffe82there is no update available, the only information I found is that in japan they have to send it back to toshiba to get an update
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08:13:45Gartralhi: im awear of a wps script builder... but i cant find it, could i get a link?
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08:19:37markunGartral: sorry, I don't know
08:20:49JdGordonGartral: what script builder are you thinking off? I cant tihnk of any up-to-date wps builders...
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08:25:55GartralEZ WPS builder... or something like that
08:27:18JdGordonI dont tihnk thats up to date...
08:27:27JdGordonif it even works at all anymore
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08:42:16Gartralso therees no current tools?
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08:43:40GodEatercurrently there are only notepad and it's brethren
08:45:41*scorche really doesnt appreciate the new who-girl
08:46:21GodEaterCatherine Tate ?
08:46:24scorcheaye
08:46:34GodEaterwrong channel surely ? :)
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08:46:46scorchedamnit
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08:51:16mrkikoHi all!
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08:54:17MakuseruHi, does anyone know how to restore the bootloaded on a Toshiba Gigabeat F40, i bricked it and cant seem to get it back
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08:56:12markunMakuseru: if you just use rockbox you can use our dummy GBSYSTEM folder + the rockbox bootloader (FWIMG01.DAT). Both can be found here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort
08:57:04markunMakuseru: and if you can't get into USB mode try: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Gigabeat_Recovery_Procedures
08:57:43markunI have to leave. Good luck.
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09:07:14LinusNit feels almost surreal to be able to read the forums at this time of day without timeouts :-)
09:07:39scorchefaster than normal even by my view :)
09:07:39B4gder:-)
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09:12:21JdGordonwho did the simulator backgrounds?
09:13:01B4gderpixelma is our graphics ninja
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09:16:15Gartralive never had a problem with RB forums
09:17:02markunI've had problems almost every morning
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09:20:33LinusNme too
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09:21:13LinusNGartral: that's probably because you 1) live in another timezone and 2) never search the forums
09:21:37LinusNjust a guess
09:22:54markunLinusN: how did jeff take it?
09:23:04LinusNwell, i think
09:24:15markunit was really very nice of him to host our forums for so long
09:25:04pondlifeWhere is the forum hosted now?
09:25:29*petur points at scorche
09:25:37*scorche waves
09:25:47pondlifescorche: In the US?
09:25:52Shaidhe's running a wireless connection interfacing into his left fingernail
09:25:53scorchetheplanet
09:25:57pondlifeOK
09:26:11Shaidthe forums run out of his left kidnet
09:26:33LinusNmarkun: it sure was nice of him
09:26:52scorcheif only he didnt...well...blah
09:28:23Gartralwich toenail holds the CPU stack?LOL
09:29:49Gartralwhats it mean when stuff is red in the INFO window of RBUtil?
09:30:03Gartraldoes that mean its broken?
09:31:28Gartraldamn caps key
09:32:56Makuserusomeone wouldnt happen to know where to DL a version of gigabeat firmware where you dont need to install windows media player? i accidently reformated my gigibeat, so i need to install the original firmware to put rockbox back on it, but the update you get form the site says you need mediaplayer 9
09:34:01markunMakuseru: do you use the original firmware?
09:34:07Makuseruno
09:34:21markunthen you can do what I suggested earlier
09:34:47Makuseruwheres the dummy GBSYSTEM folder?
09:35:03markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/Giga