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#rockbox log for 2008-04-16

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00:08:45*Nico_P finds that buffering after a skip seems much faster with dircache than without
00:09:23Nico_Peven on a flash target, surprisingly
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00:36:13amiconnOh, 3 more yllow columns in the table
00:36:18amiconn*yellow even
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00:53:35Nico_PjhMikeS: ping
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00:54:25jhMikeSyessir
00:54:47Nico_PI've made the changes to the beast's BL to allow updating only the main bin
00:54:57Nico_PI'm testing and will probably commit soon
00:55:21jhMikeSsounds like what's needed about now
00:55:55Nico_Ponly problem is the svn version doesn't seem to be updating itself... I don't know whether that means my change isn't working
00:56:18Nico_P(it happens quite often, even with other builds)
00:56:32Nico_Pso I need a significant change I could check with... any idea?
00:56:33jhMikeSupdating itself?
00:56:59Nico_Pthe svn rev number in the loading screen doesn't change
00:57:50 Quit ]3six5[ ("fish? fish. fish? fish!")
00:57:59jhMikeSMaybe you ran into the same trouble I did? I had to format the storage.
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00:58:30jhMikeSIt actually is extracting?
00:58:42Nico_Pthe file is detected correctly and seems to be renamed correctly too
00:58:55Nico_PI just need a change that will prove it was actually updated
00:59:09amiconnDoesn't the current bootloader just untar a file?
00:59:12jhMikeStoss in a splash screen after the logo
00:59:34*amiconn doesn't understand why this method wouldn't allow to update just the main binary
00:59:56csc`heya rockbox
00:59:57jhMikeSwe want to avoid having to even make the tars
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01:00:13amiconnI'd think the bootloader just untars what's in the file, be it a complete file or just the rockbox binary
01:00:20Nico_Puntarring takes time
01:00:22amiconn*complete build
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01:01:03amiconnI also thought this would be a temporary method anyway
01:01:12Nico_PjhMikeS: OK it works :)
01:01:22jhMikeSbut I'm sick of "make tar", copy that, untar it. better to be able to just drop the binary alone and move it.
01:01:56Nico_PjhMikeS: do you want a sleep call too so that the result is visible?
01:01:58*amiconn wonders which part takes longer - the search for the new file, or the untar action
01:02:11Nico_Pamiconn: the untar action takes time, believe me
01:02:20jhMikeSof course I could shell script it on the make side
01:02:29*amiconn would think it's the former, given the overpowered beast hardware
01:03:07jhMikeSuntarring a full build is pretty lenghty because of the disk reading and writing
01:04:12jhMikeSNico_P: 1/2 to 3/4 second would be ok
01:04:58Nico_Phow many ticks would that be? ~200?
01:05:49jhMikeSNico_P: don't you just load the whole tar into RAM? it's only 5.5megs or so.
01:06:32Nico_Pno, it's copied 512 bytes at a time
01:06:51amiconnugh
01:07:04Nico_PI guess it could be read to memory first
01:07:10amiconnThat's bound to be slooow on a real hdd
01:07:44*amiconn would expect the untar on the beast to be as fast as unzipping a build to another target with the same hdd type
01:07:53Nico_Pok, I'll improve it after the first commit
01:08:21jhMikeSwatch the interrupt vectors, mem is free after that up to the bl load address
01:09:28jhMikeSwell, currently the OFBL sets the core clock divider to 2 (so it's 264MHz) which might slow it down. ;)
01:11:38*amiconn would even expect untar on an archos to be disk bound, not cpu bound
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01:17:22Nico_PjhMikeS: committed. I'll try to improve untarring now, but I might not commit it tonight
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01:21:34jhMikeSok. no rush with that. cutting out the other step is the most important thing.
01:22:13Nico_Pdo you know where the interrupts vectors end? ie where I could write the tar file?
01:27:47jhMikeSat 0x00000064
01:27:58jhMikeSduh, 0x00000040 :P
01:28:07Nico_P:)
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01:31:13*Nico_P should really write some doc for file.c funcs
01:32:32jhMikeShow many ticks (looking back up). HZ/2 to 3*HZ/4 ? :)
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01:33:08Nico_Pheh, I went for 100, which is quite a bit shorter but (IMHO) enough :)
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01:34:52amiconnNico_P: 100 is longer....
01:35:05amiconnHZ is 100 in rockbox
01:35:28Nico_Poh... I thought HZ was 1000
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01:37:31amiconnIt never was... and letting gcc figure out the constants is better than hardcoding anyway, in case HZ will ever change
01:37:43amiconn(it never did in rockbox throughout the years)
01:37:52Nico_PI'll change it them
01:38:11Nico_P(with my next commit of course)
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01:41:10Nico_PjhMikeS: have you gotten results with USB?
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01:59:58jhMikeSNico_P: not too much beyond a response and then a hang. can't figure why yet.
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02:00:33jhMikeSctrl received 373860 <= ??
02:01:22jhMikeSit all ends there
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03:20:31gagnonwhat and where do i need to download to play games over my archos 404 series ?
03:22:20advcomp2019gagnon, since the 404 is not supported you are offtopic
03:23:16gagnonwill it be supported a day ?
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03:25:14advcomp2019that is unknown.. you need to look in the forums
03:26:26gagnonkk thanks
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04:24:33boxerorangeI'm putting ubuntu on my old computer. :D
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05:15:29countrymonkeyWhat's better; sysfont strings with roman letters spell out the language or just plain english?
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05:22:04homieloweHas anyone had problems with using sendfirm to send a rockbox.tar to there gigabeat S? I can send the patched nk.bin and have the gigabeat boot, but after sending rockbox.tar it won't boot and I need to restore
05:22:28homielowehttp://pastebin.ca/986987
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08:15:23mrkikoHi all! Rockbox runs so much better in terms of performance
08:15:32mrkikoI apreciated it very much!
08:15:45pondlifeAuto-dir change stopped working though :/
08:18:21pondlifehehe, that build table is getting obese
08:19:32mrkikopondlife: I know
08:19:41mrkikopondlife: aniway you can't have all :)
08:20:57pondlifeHmm, it seems ok now..
08:21:07pondlifeWonder what went wrong?
08:21:20Mouser_XI like big build tables. It means more targets!
08:21:37pondlifeand more sims, and more bootloaders :)
08:21:57Mouser_XWhich are part of the targets.
08:23:32pondlifeAh, I got it... manual dir skip makes playback unhappy..
08:23:54pondlifeSubsequent dir skips are ignored, or lock up
08:23:55Mouser_XThough, it's getting big enough that I wonder if it should be adapted a bit... Make it so that only the names (Sansa e200; Gigabeat F; iAudio M3; etc) show up, and if you mouse over that column, it would show the additional information...
08:24:15pondlife3 tables - one for main, one for bootloader, one for sim.
08:24:29pondlifeAll aligned, of course
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08:24:49Mouser_XI guess there's that method as well.
08:24:50pondlifeAnd, finally the main delta
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08:45:04aliaskhomielowe: I don't think sendfirm will work on non-firmware files - you'll probably want the libmtp application "connect" and use it's sendfile function
08:47:40GodEaterit definitely won't work with the rockbox.tar - even if it did, the .tar file would end up on the wrong partition
08:47:58GodEateryou need mtp-sendfile to transfer the rockbox.tar
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08:56:11aliaskAnyone know how rolo_restart actually /restarts/? To me it looks like only PP502x would work
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08:56:38*B4gder likes green tables
08:56:59icemangto update my rockbox build, do I have to wipe out .rockbox first, or can I unzip rockbox.zip over the existing .rockbox?
08:57:42Shaidyou can just (usually) unzip it over the top
08:58:06icemangthanks shaid =)
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09:00:30homielowealiask: Thanks for the reply, If I have time today, I'll document some stuff in the wiki.
09:01:11aliaskThat'd be really helpful :)
09:01:37Shaiddoes anyone else see a box of 'hidden' advert links on the rockbox.org frontpage? on the left, next to the subversion bit.
09:01:38linuxstbaliask: Which targets are you talking about? IIUC, it just branches to the entry point of the new firmware.
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09:02:11LloreanCan anyone confirm/test for me? NSF audio doesn't seem to be working on my Gigabeat with a current build.
09:03:01aliasklinuxstb: in firmware/rolo.c - rolo_restart. There's an ifdef'd ASM block which jumps to (what I assume to be) the load address, but other targets (ie, non PP502x) just hit the end of the function.
09:03:32aliaskOh, looks like coldfire also gets a jump
09:03:54aliaskBut that leaves all other ARM targets (and potentially others) left hanging
09:03:57linuxstbaliask: And rolo isn't implemented for all targets either... e.g. not the F.
09:04:06aliaskOh.
09:04:27aliaskThat might be why then :P
09:04:51B4gder79 builds in 4:33 makes 3.45 seconds per build...
09:04:57B4gderit might be a new record
09:04:59linuxstbSo yes, I think SH, Coldfire and PP502x are the only CPUs with rolo.
09:05:10linuxstb(SH has an external rolo_restart)
09:05:42*amiconn was about to say that
09:05:54LloreanB4gder: The distributed build system is pretty impressive, overall
09:05:58amiconnIt's in firmware/target/sh/archos/descramble.S
09:06:00aliaskCool. I'll see about implementing it for the S based on the PP502x then
09:06:51icemangHave there been any reports of trouble with today's Sansa e200 builds?
09:08:20B4gderLlorean: it scales really well too, the last ~15 builds added haven't added much to the total build time
09:08:31amiconnClock skipping udelay() has no measurable effect on runtime :\
09:08:45*amiconn tried inlined as well as real function variants
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09:10:00ShaidRe: the ads on frontpage of the website. http://i31.tinypic.com/b5fu43.jpg
09:10:13ShaidDoes anyone else see those?
09:10:23Mouser_XYes.
09:10:24LloreanB4gder: Do you know of any projects that do as many builds as we do each commit? I'm thinking we probably have the record.
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09:10:33Mouser_XShaid: They've been for awhile.
09:10:40ShaidAre they meant to be there?
09:10:47LloreanYes
09:10:47Mouser_XThough, by "awhile" I mean for a few weeks.
09:11:10B4gderLlorean: nope, I'm not aware of any
09:11:19ShaidFair enough
09:11:44B4gderShaid: consider them as project sponsors! ;-)
09:11:51Mouser_XPretty much.
09:11:57Shaidadwords, hey
09:12:25B4gderadwords are crap in comparsion...
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09:13:18*scorche thinks that a wikipage would fix this and immediately hides so no one tells him to make one
09:13:38*B4gder points in a direction where nobody sits. *he* can do it!
09:13:59B4gder(yes excluding the shes in the audience! :-)
09:14:23scorcheamiconn: have you seem my previous messages about perhaps posting something to the list re: devcon?
09:16:06*homielowe boots rockbox on his gigabeaSt
09:16:25aliaskNice feeling?
09:16:36*homielowe feels all tingly
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09:21:19B4gderhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WhyHaveAds <= feel free to extend and improve
09:22:28scorchecan we put a link to it on the front page?...i will try and improve it later
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09:22:47scorche(front page right above the ads if possible
09:23:25Mouser_XLlorean: With the newest build, I get strange behaviour...
09:24:00Mouser_XI inserted a NSF into my already existing playlist (insert next), and it played not the NSF, not the file after that, but the one after that...
09:24:20Mouser_X(Though, if I "view current playlist" it says it's playing the NSF.)
09:24:38LloreanStrange
09:25:43Mouser_XI skipped back to the NSF, and I get a codec failure.
09:27:01LloreanMine's just skipping over it.
09:27:10LloreanShows (ERR) in front of it in the playlist viewer.
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09:27:39Mouser_XHere's what happens: The current song (the one I restarted from poweroff) plays. The NSF doesn't play, but the file after it says (ERR) infront of it.
09:27:52Mouser_XAnd the file after that ERR plays.
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09:28:02Mouser_X(So I'm getting 2 files that don't play.)
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09:28:26LloreanWell, at least confirmation that something's broken with that format.
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09:28:45LloreanThough I guess with the strange way it handles tracks-within-tracks it might not be so surprising that it'd break from time to time.
09:28:57Mouser_XThough, if I *don't* play the NSF, and play the (ERR) track first (clarify: before I've attemtped to load the NSF, and therefore there's no (ERR) infront of it), it plays.
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09:30:04Mouser_XYou have confirmation that NSF is broken (and for me, the track after it), so use it well. :P
09:30:49Mouser_XAh, *now* it's saying (ERR) in front of the NSF...
09:31:07Mouser_X(And the track after it is playing.)
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09:36:38pondlifeMouser_X: Could you try older builds and work out when it broke?
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09:36:56Lloreanpondlife: Actually, I'm the one who should be doing that.
09:37:06Gartralwhere do i find pacman roms?
09:37:07Mouser_XLlorean beat me to it.
09:37:07pondlifeAh, ok
09:37:14Lloreanhe has no build environment, and I was just asking him to verify something I'd noticed.
09:37:20pondlifeGotcha
09:37:32Mouser_XGartral: It is *very* obviously stated that you are *NOT* to ask that here.
09:38:03Mouser_XRead the manual again.
09:38:11Lloreanpondlife: I have a suspicion as to which revision might've caused it, and will test it later and then file a proper bug report once I know exactly which one does it.
09:38:13Gartralfine... ill go to community
09:38:52Mouser_XRead the manual... It says not to ask *at all*
09:38:58LloreanGartral: It's not that. They're copyright, you need to own an arcade machine and dump them.
09:39:19pondlifeWe respect copyright here.
09:39:31Gartrali technically do..... its just, the power supply is deads
09:40:28scorcheGartral: we respect copyright in -community too...
09:40:32Mouser_XGartral: Then use a search engine, and find out how to fix it.
09:41:13Gartrali did... it requires solder... wich i A) dont have; and B) even if i did, i really suck at soldering
09:41:35aliaskLooks like you're out of luck then.
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09:42:01*Gartral merfs
09:44:42*daurnimator uses dictionarary on Gartral
09:45:04*scorche wonders why daurnimator went and brought that in here
09:45:20daurnimatordifferent universe
09:45:27daurnimatoralso.... merf isn't a word
09:45:55Gartralyour right, its a sound...
09:46:10Gartralmade by me, when disgruntled
09:46:24pondlife"a sound made by a furry character expressing discomfort, uneasiness, surprise, boredom, etc."
09:46:30pondlifehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merf
09:46:45pondlifeThe kind of noise I make when we go way OT
09:47:06Mouser_Xlol
09:47:40Gartrale.g.- ME the resident furry fox, gotta problem with that?
09:48:13*pondlife only has a problem with the sim constantly segfaulting...
09:49:00scorcheGartral: i do when this conversation isnt happening where it belongs
09:49:15pondlifegdb reckons it's in gwps-common.c:1441... and an attempt to print value gives "$1 = 0x2a8ed249 <Address 0x2a8ed249 out of bounds>" :/
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09:52:28Lloreanpondlife: It looks like it's revision 17109 that broke it, as I suspected.
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09:53:16pondlifeMight be that 17109 just revealed a problem with the codec
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09:53:59Mouser_XSort of how
09:54:04Mouser_XADX doesn't work?
09:54:13Mouser_X(Well, doesn't work how it's supposed to.)
09:54:34Mouser_X(ADXs glitch out when attempting to loop rather often.)
09:55:10Lloreanpondlife: Well, the codec uses some strangeness in supporting single files that contain several tracks, so I imagine the playback rework may not have taken that into account.
09:55:41pondlifeThe problem may be that the codec/playback interface isn't clearly documented...
09:56:06*pondlife wonders if cuesheets are working at the moment.
09:56:43Gartralohh... a bug i found... rockbox will randomly skip songs in the middle of playing them, but only if there are multiple file types too be played from playlist
09:58:56JdGordonI think ive had that, but all tracks being the same type
09:59:16pondlifeI've had that in the past, but not recently
09:59:42LloreanI'm pretty sure that's supposed to have been resolved.
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10:00:37pondlifeBackward directory skip (either way) is definitely unhappy at the moment.
10:00:48*pondlife packs a pin.
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10:01:36Lloreanpondlife: I'm having no problem with double-press back on my Gigabeat.
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10:02:14pondlifeHmm, I can segfault the sim reproducibly, and also managed to hard lock my H300
10:02:25LloreanCompletely up to date?
10:02:34pondlifeYes
10:03:15LloreanI'm having no problems. I've just done it six times, and hit MP3, FLAC, SPX and AAC audio without any problems.
10:03:24pondlifeMight depend on WPS.
10:03:31pondlifeIt's in gwps-common.c
10:03:39LloreanI'm just using CabbieV2
10:03:40pondlifeI'm using a home brew WPS too
10:03:47pondlifeI'll try resetting settings
10:04:15*Mouser_X already reverted his build to April 7th.
10:04:23Mouser_X(I'm using a custom build.)
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10:06:26Lloreanpondlife: Album art in your WPS?
10:06:31pondlifeNo
10:06:55LloreanAnd it happens in "evaluate conditional"?
10:07:01pondlifeYes
10:08:11LloreanAnd can you reproduce it with the standard WPS?
10:08:43pondlifeA second issue is that repeatedly back skipping (a track at a time, with auto-change-dir enabled) will sometimes get into a state where I can navigate but playback is stalled. In this state it locks hard when I press STOP.
10:08:49pondlifeHang on, not tried yet
10:09:06pondlifeBut the WPS shouldn't be able to cause this sort of problem - it passes checkwps etc...