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#rockbox log for 2008-04-17

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00:00:50goffahmm... in a dilemma... hd is dying on the f60...
00:01:53goffado i want to get an ipod 5.5 80gb ($190)... or get a new hard drive for the gigabeat ($130)
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00:02:52goffalooks like no one is awake
00:03:22*scorche votes for the latter
00:04:05LloreanI suggest a new HD as well
00:04:12goffayeah.. was thinking of going that route
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00:04:51goffathat's assuming an mk8009gah will work
00:05:58toffe82no, connector problem (LIF)
00:06:35goffahmm... glad i asked... so... what model 80gb drives am i looking for?
00:08:02goffawas thinking that was the 50 pin connector according to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement#Toshiba
00:08:28linuxstbThe one that's almost impossible to find...
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00:08:39goffaah... 8007?
00:08:51BuXY95bug: using latest rockbox with ihp-120. during record standby with agc turned on, scrolling BELOW agc exchanges the line "AGC: ..." to "AGC max gain: ..." they should be two lines below each other!
00:09:03goffagrr.. i hate bogus spec sheets from vendors
00:09:19linuxstbgoffa: Yes, I think so. It works nicely though ;)
00:09:45goffayouch... that's $250
00:09:51toffe82you need this interface and it should work : http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10887
00:10:03goffathat still better than a $190 ipod?
00:10:06toffe82I received on ethis week but didn't have time to test
00:12:38linuxstbgoffa: I think it probably is. Battery life should be slightly longer, and the CPU in the gigabeat never struggles...
00:12:40Alex_SC2en1s: Eh, How do I reset settings
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00:13:21n1sAlex_SC2e: settings->Manage settings->Reset settings
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00:28:19goffawonder if that adapter will fit in the case
00:29:04markungoffa: better wait for toffe to try first
00:30:11toffe82I need to steal the f11 of my wife, I don't have any F working :)
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00:31:13markuntoffe82: do your kids all have gigabeats as well? :)
00:31:38toffe82no I sold them :), they have a nintendo ds now
00:31:42Alex_SC2en1s: setting reset unsuccessful
00:32:03Alex_SC2eI'm looking for a good theme
00:32:39scorche|shAlex_SC2e: then find one...we cant really tell you a good one as "good" in this case is extremely subjective
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00:42:05Alex_Sc2eback. I still can't get this to work correctly.
00:44:01goffayeah.. my drive will probably hold for a while
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00:44:33goffabeen putting in $150 bids on 80gb ipods on ebay (been unsuccessful)
00:44:47goffamight have to wait and see if the adapter works
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01:14:16*shotofadds is pleased to have made the "beast" peoples' Rolo experiences better today :-)
01:14:32preglowhaha
01:14:40preglowshotofadds: anything new and fun going on in d2 world?
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01:15:23shotofaddsnot that I'm aware of, other than JdGordon doing a lot of the hard work for me ;)
01:15:36preglowisn't he adorable? :>
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01:15:57shotofaddsindeed ;-)
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01:16:37shotofaddsI've had waaay less time this week than I thought I might. Are you still thinking of getting a D2?
01:17:00preglowyeah, i'm pretty certain i will
01:17:14preglowi'm just in a time trap again, and i don't want to get one before i'm sure i have some time to hack on it
01:17:38BuXY95good night folx
01:17:45preglowi have a notorious lack of self-control when it comes to stuff like this, so i just have to make sure i prioritize the right things :>
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01:19:05shotofaddsthat's no bad thing... I tend to work on whatever seems interesting at the time. Eg I said I'd get the touchscreen working and ended up playing with PCM drivers in the couple of hours I have had this week,..
01:19:21shotofaddsso far I've just managed to make it crash, though...
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01:23:30preglowheh, know the feeling
01:23:36preglowi don't really know what i'll do first when i get one yet
01:24:25*shotofadds thinks someone else needs to look at the NAND driver ;-)
01:24:29preglowhahaha
01:24:33preglowahh, yes, reverse-engineering
01:24:42preglowjust want i want as a break from the ipod :P
01:25:31shotofaddsor get logf-over-usb working... then I can finally investigate the flash off-target
01:26:41preglowhmm
01:26:46shotofaddsjust as a nice, simple introduction task, obviously.....
01:26:46preglowit might be cool to try to get usb working
01:26:49preglow:D
01:27:13preglowi really haven't even tried usb over serial on my nano yet
01:27:18preglowsurely should as soon as i get the chance
01:27:36shotofaddswould be nice
01:27:45*shotofadds has had 1 beer too many and needs to sleep. back tomorrow....
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01:28:33*DerPapst_ wonders how may beers that where :-P
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01:54:30donsdwMy Sansa e200 stopped booting into Rockbox. It now boots into Sansa.
01:54:40donsdwDoes this mean I have to reinstall Rockbox?
01:55:30*DerPapst_ just figured out how to do something like symbolic links under windows :-D
01:55:43advcomp2019donsdw, just reinstall the rockbox bootloader if you still have the .rockbox folder
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01:56:24donsdwI still have .rockbox. Thanks, I'll do a little more research to see how that is done.
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02:00:34*DerPapst_ wonders why his gigabeast sim always says "Nothing to resume" regardles what option he selects
02:02:04LloreanAre you maybe pressing Play instead of Select?
02:03:16DerPapst_d'oh
02:03:18DerPapst_;-)
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02:03:41*DerPapst_ is used to his custom sim button definitions for ipods :-P
02:03:42donsdwLlorean: are you talking to me?
02:03:45DerPapst_thanks
02:04:34Lloreandonsdw: No, it was to DerPapst_
02:04:42DerPapst_seems like cabbie is broken for the gigabeast
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02:53:27LambdaCalculus37Ugh... now I realize why I never bought an MTP-only device.
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03:19:43Thundercloud_Heh what was LambdaCalculus37's problem I wonder?
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03:35:29critter-what do i use to add music files to a newly installed rockbox on linux ?
03:36:23JdGordon|unicopy music onto your dap
03:37:49mokkurkalvecritter-: USB I guess ;)
03:38:24critter-should i create a mp3 directory in the root of the drive and just add stuff to it ?
03:39:20mokkurkalvecritter-: You could make any directory... what player do you have BTW?
03:47:13critter-gigabeat, f40. sorry for delay
03:52:06mokkurkalvedon't know anything bout that player, but rockbox is rockbox, just make some directory, add music, and access it either by simple file browser, or generate a tag database and browse that, rockbox allows for both approaches, I just use simple filebrowsing...
03:52:57critter-ok. thank you. i am guessing if i use the file browser method i could listen to all songs in the directory with shuffle on ? or would have to tag them first and then create a playlist
03:53:27mokkurkalveit's all described in the manual BTW http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
03:53:39critter-ok. got it. thanks
03:53:50mokkurkalvein a directory you cold jus shuffle
03:55:34mokkurkalveif you want to shuffle all songs you must generate a playlist for all songs, just browse to root of player, make playlist and shuffle that
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03:58:02boxerorangehello all
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04:00:55mokkurkalveyou can shuffle directories too, but this involves the use of a plugin: random_folder_advance_config
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04:03:17critter-thank you mokkurkalve
04:06:23mokkurkalveit's all in the zip you downloaded BTW, and rockbox generates it's own playlists, just transfer the music from your comp, and your set to go. good luck!
04:08:22boxerorangecould somebody tell me what "fisk -l" DOES?
04:08:53Shaidgoogle could, I bet.
04:09:12Shaiddid you mean 'fdisk -l'?
04:10:31boxerorangeer, yeah
04:10:37mokkurkalve"fisk" is "fish" in norwegian.... :)
04:10:43critter-i'm having a difficult time being able to play anything with rockbox. i've created a /media/GIGABEAT/mp3 folder and added files though creating playlists or just simply playing files is difficult for me on the F40. i'll see what the manual says
04:11:25toffe82??
04:11:58mokkurkalveman fdisk
04:13:25boxerorangewhat's the point of iPod Diagnostics?
04:13:48scorcheto help doagnose hardware issues
04:14:15Shaidto freak you out when you accidently activate it.
04:25:07critter-how do i enable album artwork ?
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04:27:12cool_walking_critter: http://rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt
04:29:26critter-ty
04:29:55boxerorangeif I'm going to disassemble something are pictures good enough?
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04:34:35LloreanHigh resolution scans are preferred, but as long as chip labels are clear, that's a good start.
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04:36:59boxerorangealright
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04:48:23keanuwhat's with the ad-like box on the main page?
04:50:43LloreanThey're ads.
04:51:52goffajust curious.. is that a condition of google summer of code?
04:52:01LloreanHuh?
04:52:15LloreanThe ads have nothing to do with Summer of Code, or Google for that matter.
04:52:21goffafigured those were google adwords
04:52:38LloreanNope
04:53:19goffaah... seemed to happen around the same time frame too.. .so i just assumed :)
04:54:00keanuthey're actual ads?
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04:56:30LloreanThat's what I said, yes.
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04:56:52keanusaw the message from the mail archive
04:57:13keanuThe "Huh?" after "They're ads" threw me off a little ;)
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05:01:54Harlequin0Any zune users here?
05:03:37LloreanHarlequin0: Probably not. It's not a Rockbox target.
05:05:39Harlequin0ooh okay then =]
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05:07:06boxerorangewell...
05:07:11boxerorangeI couldn't even get the damn thing open.
05:13:58TaylorKillianlol, i had to look for the ad's, lol
05:14:42critter-whats a good forum to sell a rockbox enabled device ?
05:15:17goffawhat you looking to sell critter-?
05:15:28TaylorKilliannot a forum... but ebay?
05:15:41critter-a gigabeat f40. put rockbox on it today. decided i dont need it. its brand new
05:16:05TaylorKilliancritter-: oh... i could actually use one of those
05:16:10critter-i received a sealed box today and decided to put rockbox on it. decide i just dont need it
05:16:16TaylorKilliancritter-: how much?
05:16:54critter-ok. it seems to run just fine. how about $125 shipped ? its brand new. i got it today, opened the box, and hasn't really been used exceppt the past hour
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05:17:24goffai've got an iriver h140 and an iaudio x5l 30gb.. reluctant to sell... even though i've got 2 gigabeat f60's
05:17:31TaylorKilliancritter-: give me a sec
05:18:25*TaylorKillian is looking up prices on froogle
05:18:59LloreanTaylorKillian: $125 is a pretty fair price for "new" and not having to deal with auctions or anything.
05:19:18goffayeah... they are getting harder to find
05:19:27LloreanI got mine for $99, but that was a company clearing out stock of 'em.
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05:19:59critter-i paid 150 + 15 shipping for it on ebay. it was the only sealed f40 there was.
05:20:02goffamy 60 giggers were ~$140 same deal.. clearance
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05:20:14goffaand timing
05:20:38TaylorKilliancritter-: alright, sounds good, lemme pm you
05:20:50critter-sure. thanks everyone
05:26:24TaylorKilliancritter-: did you get my pm's?
05:26:31critter-i didn't.
05:26:44LloreanYou need to be registered to PM
05:27:09critter-i identified with nickserv. i pmed you and didn't get a response
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08:28:43*GodEater it appears tricky to find things not to like about the iphone (except of course for it's music playback ;) )
08:29:02*GodEater has no idea why he "/me"'d the above
08:29:19scorcheGodEater: lack of MMS?
08:29:24scorchesearchable contacts?
08:29:28scorcheclosed system?
08:29:38B4gdermade by apple? ;-)
08:29:45scorchelack of tactile keyboard?
08:29:46GodEatermy last phone has MMS, and I barely used it
08:29:53GodEaterthink about 3 times in two years
08:29:54GodEaterso I won't miss it
08:30:08GodEaterI have no idea what you mean by searchable contacts
08:30:19GodEaterthey're there, I can search through them
08:30:34scorchewe should remove codecs in rockbox to only the ones i use...i wont miss it, so obviously it isnt needed :)
08:31:05GodEaterthat's not fair - this is only my own personal opinion. If you like and use MMS then yes, clearly the iPhone is not for you
08:31:21scorchewait...why is this in #rockbox?
08:31:37LloreanGodEater: Not 3G?
08:32:02GodEaterto be honest Llorean, I'm not sure I can tell the difference
08:32:16GodEater3G seemed very poor on my previous phnoe
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09:22:46amiconnB4gder: ping
09:22:50*B4gder repongs
09:23:11amiconnIs there a reason why the beast is missing in the delta table?
09:23:20B4gderyes :-)
09:23:27amiconnwhy?
09:23:32B4gderbecause I haven't enabled any zips to get transfered
09:23:38amiconnaha
09:23:46B4gderas I forgot the delta table needs them
09:23:54B4gderso I'll just go and make it happen
09:23:56amiconnAlso, why is the delta table in a very different order compared to the main build table?
09:24:09B4gderbecause the first table is alpha-sorted and the other isn't
09:24:37amiconnThe main build table is also a bit strange. It seems to be sorted alphabetically by manufacturer/brand. But why is the Cowon D2 places before all Archoses?
09:24:46amiconn*placed
09:25:09B4gderthat's not easy to spot, but it's because it is sorted on the full name and the full name isn't displayed in the table header
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09:25:51amiconnOh, and the m:robes are between the fmr and the other archoses... but Olympus should come way later...
09:26:16B4gderyeah, but that's because the original archos models don't have the full names done the same way
09:26:31B4gderlegacy all over ;-)
09:26:38amiconnAre the used full names visible somewhere, and could they be changed to be consistent?
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09:27:17B4gderin the build log
09:27:28B4gderthey can be renamed, but then they will appear as new builds
09:27:31amiconnThe gigabeats and sansas are also oddly placed
09:27:55B4gdernot really, they follow the same rules
09:28:00amiconn?
09:28:26amiconnI mean, of course they follow the full name sorting, but G clearly comes before S
09:29:39B4gderG?
09:29:47B4gderToshiba vs Sandisk
09:30:13amiconnhmm
09:30:40amiconnI thought the gigabeat would be sorted by its brand name, hence Gigabeat vs. Sansa
09:30:51B4gderno, the full names have company names first
09:30:56B4gderwell, apart from the Archoses
09:31:00amiconnBut if it's manufacturers, all ipods and irivers are placed wrong
09:31:14B4gderif you just read the full names you'll see
09:32:24B4gderit's not really an issue I've bothered a lot with
09:32:31B4gderit works and I've been fine with it
09:32:48amiconnI can't find the full names in the build logs...
09:33:02B4gdertop line
09:33:23B4gderdate, full name
09:33:39amiconnah
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09:33:59amiconnBut then the irivers and ipods are still placed wrong. I clearly comes before S and T
09:34:10LinusNamiconn: it's probably case sensitive
09:34:15B4gderyes
09:34:18amiconnurgh
09:34:26*amiconn wouldn't have expected that
09:34:39B4gderhaha
09:34:46LinusNme neither, bit still i haven't cared at all
09:34:54B4gderin a *nix world, everything is case sensitive by default
09:35:15amiconnYou said alpha sorting, not internal code sorting...
09:35:34B4gderinternal code?
09:35:59LinusNcharacter code
09:36:03amiconnWell, alpha sorting is case insensitive by definition
09:36:14amiconnOtherwise it's not alphabetically anymore
09:36:40LinusNwell, the alpha sorting code is still in beta :-P
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09:37:46B4gderforeach $t (sort keys %alltypes) ...
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09:43:33cqmorning... quick question... any suggestions on what player to buy for best price/performance? Since the OS will be Rockbox,it should obviously support it, and usability reviews are less important...
09:46:04B4gderhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide
09:47:39cqthanks, i was trying to fins stuff inteh forums... http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-01/0107.shtml
09:48:39cqwait, all are listed as not in production ??!?
09:48:56scorcheebay is a great place to get devices
09:49:30B4gdercq: exactly, no unit now in production has a full rockbox port yet
09:50:01cqi'm a bit wary of buying things wit hard drives over ebay.... or are HDDs reliable enough these days not to have to worry?
09:51:37markuncq: if you are an interested programmer you could of course buy a player and try to help port rockbox to it :)
09:51:52scorchethere is always a risk, i suppose, but a good number of us have gotten them over ebay and been just fine
09:51:54cqinterested programmer yes, time not so much ;)
09:52:27scorchei would trust ebay just fine as long as the device is not horribly abused (which is usually apparent from pictures)
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09:53:08cqhm, where can I find out what's supported? i.e. onthe current builds page ipod videos are listed, but i can't tell if a 6th generation is supported or not.
09:53:22cqi have an iriver h120, works really well, just want a second one as a car jukebox
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09:54:07LloreanThe 6th generation isn't the "iPod Video"
09:54:37cqsorry, its the classic, youre right
09:54:50LloreanThe players supported are listed on the front page of the site
09:55:38cqmissed that, i was too deep in teh site already ;) ok, 6th gen not supported then, thanks
09:55:48LloreanFor a car jukebox, I'd recommend a Gigabeat.
09:56:16LloreanCharges from USB (meaning easy to find car chargers), very cheap compared to other equivalent players, and works quite well.
09:56:56advcomp2019cq, there is a few ports that is being worked on that you might want to look if you want to try to help out too
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09:58:55cqlooking at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus now...
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10:06:56markuncq: on the main page of the wiki you will find the most active ports under 'New Ports' (except for the Tatung I think)
10:07:38markunalthough I'm not sure howmany of those are still in production :)
10:10:53advcomp2019cq, i know cowon d2 is still in production right now
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10:11:20scorcherockbox isnt fully running on it though...
10:14:20markunthe meizu might still be in production, but the port still has to really take off
10:22:33Mouser_XSince people seem to be up, would anyone be willing to build me some Linux tools? I still haven't been able to restore my S60...
10:22:47Mouser_XThe hacked updater crashes on every machine I try it on.
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10:23:21Mouser_XAs for jhMikeS's Windows sendfirm, it's spitting out a lot of errors when I try to use it.
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10:27:11crazy_busdaylight savings has ended and my clock is fast in rockbox. I can't seem to find the option to find it. Can anyone tell me where it is?
10:27:55Mouser_XMenu>settings>system>
10:28:08Mouser_X(Time & date?)
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10:28:20Mouser_X(It's around there somewhere.)
10:32:13crazy_busah thanks Mouser_X, I've found it now
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10:47:38pondlifeSometimes I think the daily builds are more trouble than useful - they seem to confuse users as to what we mean by current/latest build...
10:48:13LinusNthe daily builds are more or less obsolete nowadays
10:48:24pondlifeMaybe they should be referenced only by rev number, not by date.
10:48:28B4gderthey're still somewhat usefull for their backlog
10:48:39LinusNand they are the only ones that build the voices