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#rockbox log for 2008-04-18

00:01:23amiconn(all == binchop from 17097 to current)
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00:10:55preglowgod, how i hate bugs like that
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00:28:38*amiconn thinks he found the problem in pcm-pp.c
00:28:44amiconnjhMikeS: there?
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00:31:21alleyoopsterapologies for stupid question, after running rockboxdev.sh should I have a .rockbox folder?
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00:32:07krazykitno, you shouldn't.
00:33:02alleyoopsterkrazykit: right, so I guess I need to take some extra steps then?
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00:33:17krazykitwell, you'd have to build rockbox, for starters.
00:33:33krazykitrockboxdev.sh simply builds the toolchain.
00:34:08alleyoopsterok, I thought it built it, so I run configure and make etc
00:35:05krazykitafter running make, make zip will give you a rockbox.zip like you'd see on the website.
00:35:48alleyoopsterI am still getting this error on configure "Your cross-compiler arm-elf-gcc 4.2.2 is not of the recommended version 4.0.3!"
00:36:12Bagderadjust your PATH
00:36:21Bagderto include your new toolkit before your previous one
00:36:39alleyoopsterpath has the following :/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin:/usr/local/sh-elf/bin
00:36:52alleyoopsterok i understand
00:37:33alleyoopsteryeah that worked thanks again
00:40:13alleyoopsteri have an error about hardward and software FP when running make
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00:40:44alleyoopster/usr/local/arm-elf/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.3/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: ERROR: /home/arch/rockbox/17096-src/build/apps/action.o uses hardware FP,whereas /home/arch/rockbox/17096-src/build/apps/rockbox.elf uses software FP
00:40:59linuxstbWhat target are you building for?
00:41:08preglowamiconn: what part of pcm-pp.c ?
00:41:20amiconnpreglow: The ticking on PP5002....
00:41:24alleyoopsteripod3g
00:41:41preglowamiconn: know, just wondering where in pcm-pp.c you think there's a problem
00:42:07amiconnalleyoopster: 'make clean' to get rid of you previous partial build. Maybe gcc4.2.2 goofed...
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00:42:55amiconnpreglow: Look at lines 170..188
00:43:13amiconnThe svn code writes a sample *pair* even if the fifo only has a *single* free slot
00:44:09amiconnLines 170 and 171 get the freecount (which is located at << 23), and then line 173 shifts >> 24, to get the number of free pairs
00:44:37amiconnThen it calculates the minimum of that and r9 - but even if that minimum is 0, it enters the loop...
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00:45:54preglowamiconn: luckily not my code :)
00:45:57amiconnI now fixed this with just one additional instruction
00:46:03amiconnYeah, it's Buschel's
00:46:25preglowyeah, doesn't look like much of my code remains
00:46:33amiconnMade the "mov r1, r0, lsr #24 " a movs, and put a beq .exit after that
00:46:57preglowurgh, 80 col violation in the comment above the function
00:47:00amiconnSo it will skip the loop if the number of pairs is zero, with minimal effort
00:47:40amiconnHave to test for quite some time before I can be sure though :\
00:48:00amiconnalleyoopster: YOu're experiencing the ticking and want to test?
00:48:40alleyoopsteramiconn: yes
00:48:42*amiconn is investigating that very same problem right now
00:49:00amiconnWant a 3rd Gen build with my (hopefully working) fix?
00:49:05alleyoopsterthat is why I am trying to compile 17096 and 17097
00:49:21alleyoopsteramiconn: of course
00:49:54amiconnOkay, building...
00:50:05amiconnWill take a few minutes - cygwin here
00:50:14alleyoopsterso the problem was introduced with 17097?
00:50:17amiconnyes
00:50:46amiconnI have a 2nd Gen, and can reproduce the problem, but not reliably. So testers are welcome :)
00:50:52alleyoopsterwell I guess I can stop compiling :)
00:51:26alleyoopsterwell I am happy if I can help
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01:00:53alleyoopsteramicon: Do you know anything about the idle timeout causing reboot when charging?
01:01:15amiconnIt's because charger detection isn't implemented for G3
01:01:29alleyoopsteris it likely to be in the future?
01:01:32amiconnI don't have a G3 - someone with such a target needs to fix it
01:01:56amiconnThere aren't many devs which have one, unfortunately
01:02:27alleyoopsteri think it was fixed for 4g. Is there anything I can do? I am not a dev
01:03:48amiconnalleyoopster: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/rockbox-3g-test1.zip
01:07:16alleyoopstererm. this build wont boot.. going to check i havent made a mistake
01:08:08amiconnHmm, then it has that occasional non-boot problem on PP5002
01:08:29amiconnNeed to modify something and rebuild (won't take that long now )
01:08:49amiconnI have a strong suspicion what it is. Better fix one problem at a time though :)
01:08:57alleyoopsteri was seeing this problem on 17138
01:09:15amiconnYeah, it comes and goes
01:09:40amiconnIt's an alignment problem, and behaviour of downloadable builds might change even if a specific commit didn'
01:10:03amiconnt change any related code, just because the new build might be built on a different server
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01:11:03amiconnIn theory the same gcc + binutils versions *should* produce identical binaries no matter what machine they run on, but in practise this isn't true
01:13:00amiconnalleyoopster: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/rockbox-3g-test2.zip
01:15:08alleyoopsteri have just installed the current build and am not having a problem
01:15:43amiconnHmm, interesting - I also got that while testing (ticking disappearing no matter what version I tried)
01:15:55amiconnShut down the ipod, wait a while, try again
01:16:19amiconnThat way the problem came back for me with current svn
01:17:07alleyoopsterit always started when i navigated away from WPS, it was totally reproducable
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01:20:01alleyoopsterwhatever I do it wont go wrong. tried shutting down and waiting, i installed this clean, I could try an upgrade
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01:35:03amiconnalleyoopster: Very odd - that's with latest svn?
01:35:46*amiconn expects the problem will come back with svn though
01:35:57alleyoopsterthis is with r17152, the current build
01:37:11amiconnI'm quite sure I found a real problem in pcm-pp.c, just that it doesn't always cause the ticking noise
01:37:14alleyoopsteramiconn: problem is back
01:37:28amiconnEspecially when testing a lot, it likes to disappear, it seems...
01:37:47amiconnBut then it'll come back after a while, unless it's fixed for real
01:37:56amiconnTried my -test2 ?
01:38:04preglowpixelma: i'm kind of keen on getting that mod codec commited, do you have any reasons for not doing so now?
01:38:19alleyoopsterit took a while, but it is there again. I'll try test2
01:38:43*amiconn still uses the old mod codec, because it *seems* to have fewer problems than the new one
01:39:16pixelmapreglow: the looping is kind of annoying
01:39:21alleyoopsterit seemed better on a clean install, but cant say for sure
01:39:46preglowamiconn: you mean before the sequencer rewrite?
01:40:20amiconnalleyoopster: Yeah, test it for a while. I'll use an equivalent build on my 2nd Gen tomorrow for sure
01:40:30pixelmapreglow: and then there is this one mod that can cause a hang with an undefined instruction (at different addresses) which the old codec just skipped
01:40:40amiconnpreglow: The one that's not committable for license being unclear
01:42:24preglowpixelma: did you report that?
01:45:04pixelmapreglow: no, because I wasn't sure if I could just attach the file (maybe I should ask the authour if I could send it to him or something). Also: I'm very sleepy...
01:45:21alleyoopsteramiconn: I run with this for a while, it s running sweet now. Gonna get some shut eye now
01:45:32alleyoopsterthanks for builds
01:45:50amiconnnp
01:45:59preglowpixelma: not demanding you do it now, but would be nice if all outstanding problems can be fixed so it's commited :)
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01:46:46pixelmayes
01:47:07preglowbut i'm going to bed
01:47:08preglowgnite
01:47:20pixelmawill try to remember tomorrow
01:47:37alleyoopsteramiconn: is there anything i can do to help out with the charging problem with G3?
01:48:05amiconnNot now, I'm afraid
01:48:40alleyoopsterok. test2 seems good btw. gnite
01:48:48amiconnPower management needs a rewrite anyway though, and maybe when I am doing this (and nobody fixed it before) I will have enough insight to code something blindly
01:49:39alleyoopsterinsight to code blindly. now that is art
01:51:03amiconnI mean without having a G3...
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02:08:54VeightQuestion, upon installing rockbox on my ipod video, would I be able to still use itunes to throw on music? Or no?
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02:11:27scorche|shyes, but i am not sure why you would want to...
02:12:06VeightI am just wondering, I planned on doing it to my gf's ipod so I could use it and so she could still add music to it when I change it over to rockbox.
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02:17:28LloreanNico_P: You around?
02:17:33Nico_Pyes
02:17:49LloreanI've run into a new playlisting bug, though I can't reproduce it yet.
02:18:08LloreanI let a playlist play unattended because I forgot to pause.
02:18:25Nico_PI've seen one too, involving skipping backwards. the next track info becomes wrong
02:18:37Lloreanit got to 7/10, and I'd stopped listening at 5/10. I hit "back" until I was at 5/10, seeked to the middle, and resumed listening. When the track ended, it started playing 8/10
02:18:50LloreanWhich sounds somewhat similar to what you just said.
02:18:54Nico_Pindeed
02:19:15Nico_Pmight have something to do with lasttrack_id3
02:19:20Nico_PI'll need to research it
02:19:24LloreanAlright
02:19:28Lloreanglad you're aware.
02:19:32Nico_Pthanks for reporting
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02:28:30amiconngrrr
02:28:40amiconnWhy can't I post to the forum?
02:30:26scorche|shhrm?
02:30:46amiconnTried again from start, and now it worked
02:30:55scorche|shwhat happened?
02:31:16amiconnIn the first try I wanted to attach a file with a forbidden extension (.diff - why is this forbidden, btw??)
02:31:40amiconnThen I renamed my local file to .tx, and retried. The Post button then simply did nothing
02:31:47amiconn* .txt
02:32:26scorche|shit is forbidden because we wanted people to use the tracker and not the forums...
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02:33:04scorche|shthough it looks like .c and .h files are allowed...we can always yell at people...
02:33:14amiconnThen the report should have been put in the tracker in the first place
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02:33:40scorche|shLlorean: remove .c and .h or add .patch and .diff ?
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02:34:11amiconnI'd rather not jump around. Especially since this isn't an overly complex fix - see my post...
02:34:57scorche|sheither way, it is home time for me...
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03:06:39LucidTo all gigabeast devs: I wanted to notify that Toshiba website started to provide gigabeat T updater: http://www.toshiba.co.jp/mobileav/cgi-bin/dl_gbt_fw21.cgi
03:07:03Lucidyou need an valid S/N though
03:07:39andrew[andrboot]BAH
03:11:44LucidI have already downloaded one. Is it ok to upload it somewhere? I find V updater on GigabeatSinfo Page.
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03:22:26saratogaLucid: you can upload it somewhere other then rockbox.org and link to it from the wiki
03:22:34saratogabut probably should not be hosted by rockbox
03:22:43ShaidI can host it for you, if you'd like
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03:27:55jhMikeSnew patch for testing.straightens out some lingering nocache headaches that may have been the problem: http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/gigabeat-S-UMS8.diff
03:32:40Lucidsaratoga, Shaid: Thanks. I think I'll upload it somewhere (temporarily) to allow people download it. Would that help?
03:33:12Shaidchuck it onto rapidshare or something, send me the link, and I'll stick it on my webspace and send you the link to it
03:33:28Shaidand then you can put it in the wiki or whatever
03:34:34LucidOK thanks.
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03:49:36LucidShaid: http://rapidshare.com/files/108356864/gbt_update_2_1_jp.exe.html
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03:51:14Shaidgrabbing
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03:55:31Shaidwhee, japanese
03:55:42Lucidhehe
03:55:56ShaidI'll repack it
03:56:14Shaidthe software will still be in japanese, but atleast people wont have to work around the installer
03:56:14LucidWell I'm Japanese
03:56:21Shaidit'll just be a .zip
03:56:26Shaidor a rar, maybe
03:56:51Shaidthree .bin files in there.
03:57:04ShaidRecovery.bin, pmcboot_secure.bin and NK.bin
03:58:26Shaid10meg rar vs 14meg zip
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04:00:36Lucidrar would be better?
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04:04:29ShaidLucid: http://random.lostspiral.com/gbt_update_2_1_jp.rar
04:09:15LucidShaid: Thanks! Now I think I need to register to the rockbox wiki :p
04:09:27Shaidhehe
04:09:53ShaidNow to hope I don't get any cease and desist letters into my mailbox
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04:10:42Lucid;)
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04:19:02Lucidhmm
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04:25:05myk_robinsonhello
04:25:46myk_robinsonjust bought a new e250 and gave my son my rockboxed c200.. Come to find out my new e250 is a v2... dammit
04:26:07myk_robinsonno rockbox for me, but my son is enjoying his music and videos on the c200
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04:37:45Lucidmmm, there's 2 versions of Gigabeat T...
04:38:44Lucidthere is a T401 v2
04:39:25Lucidhas a WiFi on it
04:40:17LucidT updater won't work for v1(MET401S)
04:41:00Lucid(at least Toshiba site claims like that)
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05:02:30Veight`Question, I currently got rockbox installed and when I go to put music on my ipod 60gb video is there a certain tool I should use or a location to put the music?
05:03:24myk_robinsonIf it works the same as the SanDisk, just make a folder called Music and load all your subfolders and music into there
05:03:43myk_robinsonjust follow whatever structure the Ipod already has set up
05:04:40Veight`Heh, Ipod's have a whack structure.
05:05:00Veight`They are stored as file names in folders with 4 characters and all the files are renamed aswell.
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05:05:31myk_robinsonwow.. in that case, not sure... Perhaps someone one here actually has an ipod and can be better help.
05:05:38myk_robinsongotta go, good night all
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05:07:26javamanveight it doesnt matter where you put it
05:10:24javamanif your music is already in iPod_Control folder then just leave them there, if you want to add more music you can just drag it to anywhere in your ipod or continue to use itunes
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05:26:07Veight`Thanks javaman
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06:02:28Veight`Hrm, I've been looking around and it looks like there *might* be an emulator for rockbox that is for gba rather then gb/gbc. Anyone know anything on this?
06:03:08Veight`I don't want to waste the hour I spent sending 4 gb's of gba roms to the thing heh
06:03:37skI don't know
06:04:26scorchewhere did you see a gba emulator?
06:05:52Veight`Some forums I was looking at, wasn't the rockbox ones so I could be mistaken. Although, Linux on ipod has a gba emulator so I would assume someone might have created one for rockbox.
06:06:51scorche"some forums"?
06:07:37Veight`Well, I have just been searching google seeing various places saying that there is a GBA emulator for the ipod just no actual links :\
06:08:34scorchewell, there isnt one...
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06:10:07cool_walking_I think iPodLinux has a GBA emulator
06:11:42Veight`Yeah, I just found it Igpsp, except the games don't work flawlessly and the games don't run at full speed more like 40-80%
06:12:07cool_walking_I'd say that's pretty damn good speed for running on an iPod
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06:50:16Mouser_X(Well, and the infinite looping. That's a problem.)
06:51:08Mouser_X(If 8806 stops FS #8680 from being commited, then 8806 should be turned into a codec.)
06:57:42Mouser_XSo, anyone here that has a Gigabeat S? I still haven't been able to restore the firmware...
06:57:59Mouser_XThe hacked V updater crashes on every single computer I've tried it on.
06:58:27Mouser_XjhMikeS' sendfirm windows port throws errors, and fails to send the BIN file.
06:59:06Mouser_XBigBambi sent me a Linux build of sendfirm, but even when logged in as root (Mepis is the distro...), I got "permission denied."
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