#rockbox 2008-04-19

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00:26:48	BigBambi	gevaerts: there?
00:26:53	gevaerts	BigBambi: yes
00:27:50	BigBambi	I just wan t to double check what I need to do to the beast to make linux see it (I've been skimming the logs - my parents are visiting, hence lots of beer but little Rockbox time)
00:29:08	gevaerts	You have a S60, right ? Same as Nico_P ?
00:29:20	BigBambi	Yep,
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00:31:30	gevaerts	OK. download http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/gigabeat-S-mbr-fixed
00:31:44	*	petur discovers a channel without nanok :)
00:32:18	gevaerts	then plug in the beast and check what device it is...
00:32:49	BigBambi	OK, I see jhMikeS has commited USB work, so I just need to build that
00:33:21	gevaerts	BigBambi: there is more. The actual problem is in the partition table, so you need to fix that anyway
00:33:27	BigBambi	OK
00:34:08	BigBambi	gevaerts: sdb
00:34:14	gevaerts	So once you plug it in (ant it is recognized) : dd if=gigabeat-S-mbr-fixed of=/dev/sdb
00:34:15	Mouser_X	gevaerts: I realize the fix is a good idea, but since I'm on Windows, I don't have to worry about it for now, right?
00:34:34	gevaerts	Mouser_X: windows seems not to care about this issue
00:34:49	BigBambi	gevaerts: done
00:34:49	Mouser_X	Good. I'll ignore its existence for the time being then.
00:34:53	BigBambi	reboot?
00:34:57	gevaerts	BigBambi: now unplug and replug
00:35:22	BigBambi	gevaerts: \ô/
00:35:25	BigBambi	Success!
00:35:39	gevaerts	great :)
00:35:45	*	BigBambi bows down at gevaerts' feet :)
00:36:02	BigBambi	This is fricking awesome
00:36:10	gevaerts	BigBambi: it just changes two bits
00:36:17	BigBambi	Is that it?
00:36:33	BigBambi	So the S partition table has two bits set wrongly?
00:36:49	gevaerts	Yes. The bootable flag must be 0x00 or 0x80, and the S has 0x01...
00:36:58	BigBambi	ffs
00:37:02	gevaerts	(and there are two partitions, so that's two bits)
00:37:12	BigBambi	So windows is just more lax about it?
00:37:33	gevaerts	Yes. They can afford to be, they only support one or two partition table types
00:37:39	petur	I still wonder why, never seen it before. maybe a bug in the gigabeat format routine?
00:38:08	BigBambi	It's just another symptom of the beast being Windows only
00:38:43	petur	that flag only matters when booting, it is ok for an OS to ignore it on normal access
00:38:56	gevaerts	That table also isn't meant to be used from a PC, so even if they know it, it's probably not worth fixing for them
00:39:35	BigBambi	In other news, along with the parents my c240 arrived today :)
00:39:51	Mouser_X	Awesome.
00:39:53	gevaerts	So which were you happiest about ?
00:40:06	BigBambi	beast usb by far :)
00:40:07	*	Mouser_X would be happiest about USB support on the S...
00:40:21	*	gevaerts meant c240 or parents :)
00:41:22	BigBambi	gevaerts: hehe, In that case, parents. I already have a load of targets, and I haven't seen the folks in ages
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00:41:59	shrimants	does rockbox support video playback/video podcasts yet?
00:42:05	BigBambi	yes
00:42:09	BigBambi	If it is MPEG1/2
00:42:30	BigBambi	see www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer
00:42:37	shrimants	whats the difference between mpeg 1/2 and the later releases?
00:42:43	BigBambi	eh?
00:42:48	BigBambi	They are different formats
00:42:54	BigBambi	See the link I posted
00:43:02	shrimants	i think i asked a really stupid question
00:43:04	shrimants	lol nvm
00:43:09	BigBambi	heh :)
00:44:47	shrimants	awesome. i was hoping i wouldnt have to stick to ipod's stock OS. its giving me problems with gapless playback
00:44:47	BigBambi	It's my turn for a stupid question now
00:44:59	shrimants	go for it
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00:46:11	BigBambi	gevaerts, jhMikeS: After jhMikeS's latest commits, I'm assuming I don't need to patch for beast USB. However, from the export/config-gigabeat-s.h it looks like I need to uncomment the defines for USB - do I uncomment everything under "/* enable these for the experimental usb stack */"?
00:46:27	*	gevaerts loos
00:46:34	gevaerts	s/s$/ks/
00:47:35	gevaerts	BigBambi: they seem to be enabled already
00:48:00	*	BigBambi slaps forehead
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00:48:10	BigBambi	gevaerts: Er, yes, they do
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00:48:24	BigBambi	gevaerts: I said it was a stupid question :)
00:48:25	BigBambi	cheers
00:49:04	shrimants	ugh it seems that today is the day that in my "study break" i get to fill in the holes for my music library
00:49:09	shrimants	album art and everything
00:50:21	saratoga	what is the required line width for rockbox code?
00:50:29	shrimants	well thanks for the help
00:50:31	shrimants	adios
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00:50:44	petur	saratoga: 80
00:50:58	petur	see DOCS/CONTRIBUTING
00:51:04	saratoga	wow thats really small
00:51:34	petur	live with it or get beaten up hy the rockbox hitmen
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00:51:43	petur	*by
00:52:15	gevaerts	Actually, it's not always required. You're allowed to make shorter lines ;)
00:52:29	saratoga	i like 100-120 character lines
00:52:38	saratoga	but then i've got a widescreen monitor so maybe thats part of it
00:52:57	gevaerts	Maybe rotating it helps ?
00:53:16	petur	saratoga: plenty of space to put other stuff next to it
00:55:12	saratoga	hmm no one look at the wma codec
00:55:16	saratoga	you might not like what you see
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00:56:50	saratoga	also another dumb question: in c is it required to put "LL" after a constant if you explictly declare it to be a long long?
00:58:11	amiconn	Well, you are not required to change formatting of imported code from other projects. Doing that would make it hard to incorporate improvements and fixes later
00:58:21	gevaerts	Depends. If it doesn't fit into an int, you need the LL
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00:59:51	saratoga	i've rewritten so much of the wma codec its basically mine now
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01:00:03	saratoga	the hard part is bringing the ffmpeg code up to where the rockbox stuff is
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01:04:03	BigBambi	Mouser_X: Do you mind if I do it tomorrow? I have to get some sleep now
01:04:09	Mouser_X	NP
01:04:19	Mouser_X	I've waited this long. What's anotehr day?
01:06:19	saratoga	FS #7488 is just amazing
01:06:30	saratoga	i've now patched 5 seperate bugs using that file
01:06:37	saratoga	and its still not quite decoding right
01:07:04	Mouser_X	Heh.
01:08:51	saratoga	additionally if anyone still has WMA problem samples at this point, i'd love to see them
01:08:55	saratoga	i'm down to just 1
01:09:10	Mouser_X	Not bad.
01:09:22	Mouser_X	(Pretty good actually.)
01:10:04	saratoga	yeah i'm pretty happy
01:10:16	saratoga	that one problem sample just has a very minor glitch sound
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01:16:22	tapiocapudding	hey there
01:16:30	tapiocapudding	i've got a problem with the pacbox plugin...
01:16:50	tapiocapudding	it complain's i've got no roms in .rockbox/pacman, but i have something that should be roms
01:17:24	tapiocapudding	i have pacman.6e, .6h, .6f, and .6j
01:17:51	tapiocapudding	if these are the wrong files, can someone please direct me to somewhere where i can find the right ones? I've been looking for a while now. thanks.
01:18:30	tapiocapudding	oh btw i would look on the page for it in the plugin index but i can't seem to get to that page... the browser confirms it exists but never loads it...
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01:22:04	toffe82	tapiocapudding: it is working for me http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox
01:22:35	tapiocapudding	umm, sorry, but i think i went over this - i can navigate to the page but my browser can't load it. I'll try again, if it makes you happy.
01:23:29	toffe82	I had to try 2 times before it loads
01:23:35	tapiocapudding	ok
01:23:37	tapiocapudding	it works now
01:23:42	tapiocapudding	missing .5e and .5f
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01:27:45	*	amiconn is somewhat puzzled by the occasional crashing PP5002 builds.
01:28:31	amiconn	While cache line length is supposedly 16 bytes, I can only make it crash for one possible alignment in a 32 byte block
01:28:55	amiconn	That's why I thought my first fix worked back then
01:29:51	amiconn	I guess it's influenced not only by line length, but also by whether the next line is already cached or not
01:30:43	amiconn	jhMikeS: ping
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01:50:02	tapiocapudding	umm..pong?
01:50:13	tapiocapudding	bit late eh?
01:50:16	tapiocapudding	anyways bye
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03:42:56	preglow	:-(
03:48:18	DerPapst	?
03:50:53	preglow	quite drunk, nevermind me
03:51:09	DerPapst	heh ;-)
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03:54:43	Twilt	Hello can somebody tell me how to load themes in rockbox.
03:55:08	scorche\|sh	the manual can
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03:57:29	Twilt	Okay...
03:57:49	Twilt	How do I dual boot rockbox and my original sansa e250 frimware?
03:58:08	DerPapst	cough manual
03:59:25	Twilt	...
03:59:46	DerPapst	get the pfd and search for key words.
03:59:49	Twilt	never mind I found it. You have to push \|<< to go to the original firmware from rockbox
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04:00:02	DerPapst	i'm sure you'll find the answer of almost all of your questions
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04:00:18	DerPapst	ah well
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04:25:54	ragsagar	anyone
04:26:07	ragsagar	tried rockbox in philips gogear??
04:26:24	scorche\|sh	are you hoping it would "just work"?
04:26:40	ragsagar	dont knnow ")
04:26:43	ragsagar	:(
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04:27:22	scorche\|sh	well, it wont...rockbox needs to be ported to each device specifically...it really is a much more complex process than that
04:27:26	ragsagar	but rockbox is not available specific for gogear
04:27:54	scorche\|sh	correct
04:28:20	ragsagar	wat abt trying one for a similar player??
04:28:27	ragsagar	is that a bad idea??
04:28:38	scorche\|sh	and how would you "try one"?
04:28:40	ragsagar	there will be difference in its hw isnt it??
04:30:47	ragsagar	installing rockbox for a player that is similar to that of gogear!
04:31:10	ragsagar	so everyone else is sleeping online??
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04:31:48	advcomp2019	ragsagar, lots of people are away from their computer sometimes
04:31:51	scorche\|sh	but how could you install rockbox?
04:32:09	ragsagar	::D
04:32:26	ragsagar	but now most of them are away
04:32:41	scorche\|sh	check out the NewPort wiki page....really...it isnt that easy
04:33:08	ragsagar	so i will wait till the rockbox guys releases one for goear isnt it??
04:33:49	scorche\|sh	it if happens, sure
04:34:08	ragsagar	ok thanx man!
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04:51:12	noneed	Does anyone know if you install Rockbox onto your Ipod if an alpine head unit will still be able to controll the player or if it will treat it as a standard mp3 player
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04:55:12	scorche\|sh	might want to search the IpodAccessories page, the forums and the IRC logs
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04:56:54	MU{lappy}	not sure if anybody else has tried, but clearing the bootable flag via fdisk on my S60 makes USB MSC work in linux, and does not appear to break OF or rockbox
04:59:10	DerPapst	similar things have been tested yesterday/today.
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05:00:10	DerPapst	http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080418#16:17:59
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05:18:20	MU{lappy}	so i see. maybe somebody should mention in the wiki. doesn't seem a big enough thing to be worth my asking for write privileges.
05:19:40	noneed	Does anyone know if you install Rockbox onto your Ipod if an alpine head unit will still be able to controll the player or if it will treat it as a standard mp3 player
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05:22:55	scorche\|sh	noneed: you asked that before...did you search for your answer like i asked?
05:24:06	noneed	i had already searched before i asked in IRC
05:24:21	noneed	if you don't know i'll continue my search throughout the web
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06:27:51	RoC_MasterMind	anybody notice that latest build r17164 is broken for gigabeat f40? Songs don't play, and the buffering thread is at 0 for all of them
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06:31:28	RoC_MasterMind	Anybody got a f40? What build are you using?
06:39:50	RoC_MasterMind	FYI
06:39:58	RoC_MasterMind	2008-04-01 Rockbox 2117 KB maps changelog voice zip 749 KB 16906 works
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09:36:33	MostIntelligent	How do you download the Gentoo Ebuild of rbutil from this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility
09:37:20	MostIntelligent	wget downloads a JavaScript thingie :(
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09:40:33	scorche	you cant click it?
09:42:01	MostIntelligent	I can click it, but then I have to save it somewhere, then write long commands to copy it to portage (having to remember where my homedir was), I want to download it easily by copying the URL and pasting, as other sites do
09:46:46	amiconn	Maybe your shell doesn't like the ; in the url?
09:46:57	n1s	JdGordon: (for the logs) list.c:simplelist_set_line_count() looks wrong
09:46:59	MostIntelligent	Hm, single quotes worked
09:47:09	amiconn	Try to replace it with a & The modified url works in the browser too
09:47:12	MostIntelligent	What's the problem with double quotes? Hm, have to check, anyway
09:48:05	amiconn	*nix shells are weird... They sometimes interpret characters in quoted strings...
09:49:27	MostIntelligent	haha, I'm idiot, I missed the quotes :D
09:49:38	MostIntelligent	Thank you, anyway
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13:00:29	amiconn	Why do you use a separate counter for the average frequency (which will both overflow significantly earlier than the tick counters and is rather imprecise on coldfire)
13:00:30	amiconn	?
13:00:52	amiconn	You can calculate the average freqency from boost ratio
13:02:04	Buschel	i find it more straight forward. even @500MHz it should not overflow for >11h
13:02:18	Buschel	1tick = 10ms, right?`
13:02:47	amiconn	Yes, so far
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13:03:24	amiconn	But you only add whole MHz, which is exact for PP (as the frequencies are exact MHz values), but not for coldfire
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13:04:44	amiconn	On coldfire we use integer multiples of the base frequency (11,289,600 Hz), so neither 45 MHz (45,158,400 Hz), nor 124MHz (124,185,600 Hz) are exact
13:05:39	Buschel	I could add a "~" before the MHz :)
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13:07:45	amiconn	average_freq = CPUFREQ_NORMAL + (CPUFREQ_MAX - CPUFREQ_NORMAL) * boost_ticks / ticks
13:08:11	amiconn	Simple as that. The intermediate might need 64 bits though.
13:13:31	amiconn	It's not 100% precise either way, because each clock switch takes time (typically 250..500 us on PP, and typically 2ms on coldfire), during which the CPU is running from the base clock (24MHz for PP, 11 MHz for coldfire)