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#rockbox log for 2008-04-20

00:00:07bertrikgevaerts: I can do that, but not today
00:00:28jhMikeSI don't even think the module has been clocked even once until rb uses it
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00:01:30homieloweWith current SVN on the gigabeaSt I get this coming up from disk utility under mac OSX, http://pastebin.ca/989971 , my computer can recognize the disk but not read it.
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00:02:49gevaertshomielowe: that's because of the tb.inquiry->DeviceTypeModifier = 0; near the bottom of firmware/usbstack/usb_storage.c
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00:03:11BigBambigevaerts: yo
00:03:25gevaertshomielowe: it's needed to make windows find both partitions, but unfortunately it makes the disk not work in os x.
00:03:42gevaertsBigBambi: hello. I seem to have sent you the wrong partition table by accident...
00:03:54BigBambigevaerts: Stop me if I'm covering old ground, as I have just got in and haven't read the logs
00:04:15BigBambigevaerts: aha. I was going to say, after I rebooted with the partition table you sent, the S demanded a restore
00:04:36gevaertsIt's one from an S30 instead of an S60...
00:04:37BigBambiWhich I did, and after that it was back to how it was before
00:04:45BigBambiBut I made it work!
00:05:00*Mouser_lnX hasn't yet...
00:05:05gevaertsfdisk ?
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00:05:21BigBambiWhen it was restored, with Rockbox, at the state where dmesg said bad partition table etc, I used fdisk to set both partitions to non-bootable
00:05:38BigBambiAnd it works perfectly - OF, rockbox, RB USB etc
00:06:12gevaertsyes. someone else did that as well. Unfortunately setting the type of the firmware partition to 1b does not work...
00:06:18DerPapstfun. the beast crashes when one tries to play a song :-P
00:06:34gevaertsWhat ? Not even a dummy sound driver ?
00:06:37Mouser_lnXNow I'm stuck on a yellow triangle /3\ and it says "Firmware update or restoration required. *Please wait.*
00:06:48BigBambigevaerts: I just toggled the bootable flag a few times until I was sure it was off
00:07:10Mouser_lnXI feel like I'm running in circles.
00:07:19Mouser_lnXOr into a wall.
00:07:25*gevaerts notices that there are only two people on this channel without a working beast. Mouser_lnX and himself...
00:08:04BigBambiMouser_lnX: Sorry I had to go last night - do you need anything now?
00:08:19Mouser_lnXA nap.
00:08:21Mouser_lnX:(
00:08:39BigBambiheh, not good news I take it?
00:08:49Mouser_lnXAnd perhaps a ZIF > IDE adapter...
00:08:57Mouser_lnXIt's not doing anything anymore.
00:09:20Mouser_lnXAh, it's doing something again.
00:09:28DerPapstMouser_lnX: i had a yellow /2\ one and disconnected the usb cable and it worked.
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00:09:55BigBambigevaerts: So, just to clarify (I'm both a bit drunk and a bit thick) - with linux is using fdisk to set the bootable flags the 'answer'
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00:10:52gevaertsBigBambi: it seems to be. Now the next question is : how can we hide the first partition to prevent accidents ?
00:10:59BigBambiyes, indeed
00:11:05BigBambiAt the moment it is wide open
00:12:04gevaertsWe can "solve" that by faking the bit from the UMS driver, but I would prefer a different solution
00:12:21bertrikwhile looking into a bug report I noticed that all menu exit callback functions in playback_menu.c are used only in playback_menu.c itself, so they could be made static
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00:15:05bertrikany objections to making those functions static and committing it?
00:17:11jhMikeSgevaerts: running it, stopping it and restarting it in usb_drv_init does the trick
00:17:59Mouser_X2Fun!
00:18:22gevaertsjhMikeS: if it works, we'll have to do it that way I guess...
00:18:25jhMikeSbtw, the registers get reset so usb_drv_set_test_mode also needs to set PHY and others (at least on this one)
00:18:57gevaertsjhMikeS: probably. but the last time I tried usb_drv_set_test_mode didn't work anyway...
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00:19:13jhMikeSit could stem from that problem
00:19:44DerPapstMouser_X2: success? failure?
00:20:19Mouser_X2It's working, but I need to send the firmware again
00:20:31Mouser_X2(As in, it's no longer non-responsive)
00:20:41gevaertsJust keep sending firmware, and see who gives up first
00:20:47DerPapstso a semisuccess :-)
00:21:27Mouser_X2;_; @ gevaerts
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00:26:30Mouser_X2It works. Finally it works...
00:26:46DerPapstwoohooo!!1
00:27:12Mouser_X2Indeed. I hate MTP...
00:27:25DerPapstwelcome to rockbox ums :-)
00:27:59BigBambiMouser_X: \รด/
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00:31:35Mouser_X2Now to test it in Windows (I'm in Linux here).
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00:38:28Mouser_XYay! I have 2 new HDDs.
00:38:38Mouser_XObviously, the smaller one is to be avoided...
00:38:54w1ll14mMTP sucks big time
00:39:13Mouser_XSo, would anyone be nice enough to build me a rockbox.zip file so that I could put it on my beast?
00:39:24w1ll14merhmm....
00:39:35w1ll14myeah, hold on... it will be a tar tho
00:39:42Mouser_XThat works.
00:39:51w1ll14mok, hold on
00:40:28Mouser_XI've got the bootloader installed, and thus UMS support. MTP is almost as bad as getting stabbed.
00:40:41w1ll14mindeed
00:40:58DerPapsthttp://papsti.dyndns.org:83/upload/rockbox.tar
00:41:00DerPapst:-)
00:41:07Mouser_XThanks.
00:41:09w1ll14mwhat is the best way of debugging an running rockbox ?
00:41:25DerPapstw1ll14m: logf
00:41:25Mouser_XInsecticide.
00:41:27Mouser_X:P
00:42:03w1ll14mderpapst, how should i use logf, and how do i enable it ?
00:42:43w1ll14mMouser_X, could give me the Insecticide please ?
00:43:17DerPapstumm.. you have to compile a logf build and in the files you want to debug you have to do some preprocessor magic.. wait a sec.
00:43:43w1ll14mWiki link ?
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00:45:02DerPapstdunno :-P still searching
00:45:12w1ll14mhehe
00:45:16w1ll14msearching too btw
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00:46:03w1ll14mi guess this helps ;)
00:46:03w1ll14mhttp://de.pastebin.ca/95903
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00:46:47w1ll14monly now use the (A)dvanced
00:46:48DerPapstadd #define LOGF_ENABLE to the file
00:46:59w1ll14mok
00:47:07w1ll14mto the file i want to debug
00:47:29DerPapstyes
00:47:46w1ll14mnice thanx
00:48:38w1ll14mthis will create logfiles in the root ?
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00:49:57DerPapstnot sure. iirc there is a new menu in the debug menu then
00:50:08w1ll14mnice
00:50:58Mouser_XAwesome... It's great to see Rockbox on the beast.
00:51:09Mouser_X(Much better looking than the OF, IMO.)
00:51:19w1ll14mindeed
00:53:53bertrikjhMikeS: still here?
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01:18:09peturnm, it's there again
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03:56:55LiverBuddymy ipod keeps resetting itself to default firmware
03:56:56LiverBuddyWHY
03:57:44LiverBuddyfuck you all
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04:00:50scorche|shmmmhmmm
04:00:56*Mouser_X loves Rockbox and its denizens...
04:01:01Mouser_X:P
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04:07:26LloreanjhMikeS: Around?
04:08:19jhMikeSLlorean: yup
04:08:59LloreanjhMikeS: There's a report on the ML that 16791 broke the sims on OSX
04:09:03LloreanOr sim compiling rather
04:09:22LloreanOh, wait, not mL
04:09:24LloreanFlyspray, sorry
04:09:31Llorean8906. =/
04:09:39*Llorean forgot that he gets flyspray updates as emails, not RSS.
04:10:40toffe82jhMikeS: I install the last svn and the buttons are not working ? back to of to check, they are working ..
04:10:49*jhMikeS always gets a headache from OSX
04:11:01jhMikeStoffe82: they seem fine here
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04:11:38toffe82I will try again, do you know if the battery charge with rockbox ?
04:12:13jhMikeSit's handled by the hardware and mine keeps a charge ac adaptor or usb plugged with rb running
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04:13:03toffe82ok, because I let it connected all the afternoon and it didn't charge
04:15:03jhMikeSLlorean: possible that the OSX implementation of some SDL stuff is borked
04:15:29toffe82jhMikeS: what signal do you need for the audio ? I have a moment to do it now ;)
04:16:06jhMikeSanything (3?) connected to the codec and hp mute on that block diagram
04:16:30jhMikeSesp the hp mute
04:17:05LloreanjhMikeS: It's a lot of " /usr/bin/ld: warning multiple definitions of symbol" followed by _rand, _srand, _memset, _mktime and about a dozen others.
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04:18:24jhMikeSthat does bother me. if one can produce a warning-free build and have the issue occurr, I'll take it into account that it's actuall that revision more seriously.
04:19:07LloreanjhMikeS: He says the warnings begin at that revision. As well, some other builds compile (the warnings are for H300, while iPod compiles) and then freeze at the menu. See FS #8906 for all the info.
04:21:27jhMikeSmost of the functions listed have nothing to do with anything I worked on
04:22:01LloreanAh, forgot. Midgey says the warnings have always been there, the failure to load is new though.
04:22:09jhMikeSI see semaphore_wait - that's it. However kernel.c is shared with the sim now.
04:22:29LloreanThe problem with following by email: You're only seeing the latest comment when you try to track someone down
04:23:36jhMikeSconflicts like that can have bad side effects and may like to the wrong API. those warnings should be resolved before trying to debug a thing.
04:23:43jhMikeSs/like/link/
04:24:26jhMikeSeven if they've always been there, one may have just been lucky
04:26:22LloreanAlright, left a comment about that.
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04:30:31jhMikeSI guess I've resolved the cold plug issue but that I like what seems to be needed.
04:30:41jhMikeS*not that I like
04:30:56toffe82I have to go , just found the chip for the mute ...
04:31:27jhMikeSdon't go without giving the magic port!
04:31:43toffe82:)
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04:34:05*jhMikeS really likes being able to debug a bootloader by dragging and dropping it on a drive :)
04:34:06LloreanjhMikeS: Any negatives to the current solution, other than it not being so elegant?
04:34:31LloreanSo that nk.bin on the first drive is the bootloader/firmware?
04:34:31jhMikeSNone that I see and what's needed is shorter than I though was needed originally.
04:34:35jhMikeSyes
04:34:37LloreanNeat
04:35:35jhMikeSThat should be hidden under normal circumstances I think. linuxstb suggested a recovery mode that would expose it.
04:37:14LloreanI think I agree.
04:37:44LloreanJudging from observations of Sansa users, people will try to format any partition you expose to them, so expose it as rarely as possible.
04:37:55jhMikeSI think earlier it was tried to make it hidden but retailos didn't like that
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04:41:17zeroth__Hello all.
04:41:21LloreanWell, it's not "clean" but couldn't the bootloader do the hiding and unhiding (unhide before dual booting, hide while normally booting)?
04:42:12jhMikeSI imagine it could but that's really grungy :)
04:42:32LloreanYeah, I suppose there's no rush to have a "at least it works" method, anyway.
04:42:44jhMikeSI thought of the driver just filtering what is seen by the host
04:43:07LloreanI was gonna ask if something like that was possible, but suspected I'd just be revealing my complete lack of how UMS works.
04:43:40jhMikeSit's pretty raw - just disk sector tx/rx
04:44:18zeroth__Apologies for interrupting anyone, but I've been looking at the rockbox project, and, I had a thought... has anyone used rockbox for one of the supercheap/tiny mp3 players that are supported, for something like controlling sets of motors/sensors?
04:45:00jhMikeSlike the disk drive? I think that has motors and sensors :)
04:45:20jhMikeSrockbot?
04:45:38zeroth__yeah, that kind of idea. It would make a great platform for experimentation...
04:46:26zeroth__But, I had meant outside of the player, like, through usb/whatever.
04:46:28jhMikeSI seem to recall something way, way back but don't know if it was actually attempted (maybe just joking around)
04:46:32LloreanI for one welcome our Rockbot masters.
04:47:02Lloreanzeroth__: I imagine it's quite possible, but would probably require a decent amount of hacking on your part to create the software to do it.
04:48:02zeroth__Probably, but once the base works on the hardware, would not a knowledge of the chip(set) and pinouts+c compiler for the platform would make it easier.
04:48:19zeroth__?
04:49:10LloreanI'm not entirely sure what you're asking there.
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04:49:40zeroth__sorry for the grammar... basically, would not knowledge of the platform+a c compiler for the chip, make it easier?
04:50:44LloreanWell, it depends. To an extent. But at the same time, there's probably a lot of extraneous stuff too. Most hardware you could buy for the specific purpose would also be known, documented, and have appropriate tools.
04:51:56zeroth__True. But it wouldn't be cheap, nor would it have the massive amount of memory most mp3 players have, plus don't some have a DSP chip? It was just a possibility, and I was checking to see if it had been done before.
04:52:49LloreanNot that anyone's reported.
04:53:37zeroth__I'm sure they would report it if it worked... unless they were killed by their new robotic progeny... *shifty eyes*
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04:55:59zeroth__Second question, thank you all for answering :), does anyone know what the status of the Creative port of Rockbox is, and if it supports the Creative ZEN model?
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04:56:40scorche|shmight want to have a look at the thread in the forums for that
04:57:24ZincAlloyhi there! anybody else noticed slow scrolling when no file is being played back?
04:57:36zeroth__thanks scorche. Will check.
04:58:20LloreanZincAlloy: You don't mention what player you're talking about. But this is more or less to be expected to varying degrees: scrolling will be slow when the CPU isn't boosted.
04:58:29LloreanThere should be parts during playback where it gets even slower.
04:59:22ZincAlloyLlorean: ah, ok, so it is a known bug... I'm using a h340 by the way
04:59:39LloreanIt's not really a bug...
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05:00:23ZincAlloyLlorean: well, there is a bug report about it..
05:01:05LloreanThat doesn't necessarily mean it's a bug. What task #?
05:01:28ZincAlloyLlorean: 8142
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05:02:05LloreanZincAlloy: That one specifically relates to ONLY the file view scrolling, while menu scrolling is still full speed.
05:02:14LloreanYour question, at least, suggested that you were referring to scrolling in general.
05:03:47LloreanDo you mean scrolling in general is slower than it was previously, or is just slow? Or do you mean that scrolling in some screens is significantly slower than others?
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05:05:48ZincAlloyscrolling isn't really an issue with the menues, as they are rather short
05:06:08LloreanThat really doesn't answer any of my questions though.
05:06:55LloreanIs the slowness new?
05:07:24ZincAlloyI didn't experiment too much with it yet. but it seems that it's a general thing...
05:07:33ZincAlloyI'm not sure.
05:07:50LloreanAre you at least using a current SVN revision with no patches?
05:08:15ZincAlloynot the latest, but I've updated recently..
05:08:21Llorean"recently" is kinda vague.
05:08:39ZincAlloywithin the last week
05:09:28LloreanThere's been nearly 100 revisions in the last week.
05:09:51LloreanWell, 88ish
05:09:55LloreanStill, quite a lot.
05:10:31LloreanCould you perhaps do some testing? See if it's there in a current build, if it's general or only in some screens, and if it's new slowness, or old slowness you hadn't really noticed before?
05:11:31ZincAlloysure, I'll try some things...
05:13:01ZincAlloybut I assume it's old slowness and I only just realized that it's a reproduceable phenomenon
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05:33:44ZincAlloyanother issue I noticed recently is a mistriggering of the *up* button. It frequently gets misinterpreted as a push of the *left* button.
05:34:03ZincAlloyIt's hard to reproduce. It happend to coincide with a stop of hard disk activity twice in a row, but it has happened on other occasions as well.
05:35:05LloreanI believe that's known as well. Is your battery beginning to get old?
05:36:59ZincAlloyyes, it's rather old. luckily a friend of mine will get me a new one as a birthday present next month.
05:37:18LloreanThe problem should disappear once you install the new one.
05:37:43ZincAlloycool. thanks a lot for your help!
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06:11:42Mouser_XI hope that the beast's A/V output stuff gets supported in Rockbox... Obviously that won't happen anytime even remotely soon. I'm just hoping it happens "soon enough" (which is being used in a very flexible form).
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07:01:08jhMikeSI checked and the the beast doesn't need any of the OF files on the 2nd partition to boot rockbox.
07:03:03LloreanJust our nk.bin and nothing else?
07:03:33jhMikeSI was talking about the big partition. I haven't started delteing from the little one yet.
07:03:54jhMikeSbut...I'll check that too
07:04:39LloreanOh, right, 2nd partition
07:04:41*Llorean is clearly blind
07:04:47jhMikeSdoesn't care about that either
07:05:03LloreanIt'd be nice if we could shrink it like we can on the iPods.
07:06:41jhMikeSI tried moving some of those .edb files from the big partition to my computer first but they wouldn't finish copying.
07:08:40jhMikeSdoesn't matter I suppose but perhaps some trick is being played with them re: sectors. I think linux reported that partition as going past the end of the disk.
07:10:12LloreanThere's only 2 edb files there?
07:11:37jhMikeSsome small one's on the small partition and the huge ones on the main one
07:12:05LloreanYeah, I meant the two on the main partition
07:12:19LloreanThey copied off fine for me, or at least without windows reporting any errors.
07:12:28jhMikeSI deleted the Content folder and all so that it's just nk.bin + .rockbox
07:12:57*Llorean doesn't have an nk.bin on his big partitino.
07:13:09*jhMikeS neither
07:13:12LloreanOkay
07:13:26LloreanBut all the edb files seem to have copied off for me without reporting errors.
07:13:43jhMikeSmaybe it's surface scan time :\
07:13:54Llorean=/
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07:19:02jhMikeSdid the latest commit fix things up?
07:20:37LloreanHaven't tried it yet. One moment
07:20:52jhMikeSboot loader too don't forget :)
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07:26:26LloreanRoLo works?
07:26:42jhMikeSmeh, sometimes
07:26:56LloreanIt worked on the "A new version was found" thing
07:27:47LloreanBootloader USB mode from cold boot seems fine now.
07:28:04jhMikeScool
07:32:11LloreanNow you just need to provide a magic fix for mounting it in Linux. :-P
07:33:31jhMikeSI'm guessing that's gevaerts' expertise :)
07:34:01LloreanSeems likely.
07:34:36Mouser_XI seem to recall him earlier today saying something along the lines of "I'm working on USB stuff. If someone wants some strange exta behaviour to be added for their target, that's their job, not mine."
07:34:59Mouser_X(I think it was followed by a ";)" )
07:35:07jhMikeS*rolls eyes*
07:36:08Mouser_XAlso note: It's entirely possible I am not doing his *actual* quote/communication justice. I may be misinterpretting it, or I may not be "transposing" it correctly.
07:36:23Mouser_XJust FYI.
07:36:55jhMikeSwho hired anyone into particular departments around here?
07:37:04Mouser_XHeh
07:37:37LloreanThe obvious problem is that he doesn't have a Gigabeast.
07:37:43LloreanI imagine if one showed up at his door, he'd be all over it.
07:37:54Mouser_Xlol
07:38:01Mouser_XIt's not coming from me...
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07:44:15ashai've just tried to install rockbox with english.voice onto an iPod Video that has a very broken screen - but after successfully running ipodpatcher it wont even show up as a USB device when plugged in via USB
07:44:22*jhMikeS thinks toffe82 needs to make him an offer he can't refuse
07:44:51ashadoes ipodpatcher after running need some time to flash, after it returns success? i had rebooted the ipod immediately after
07:45:11LloreanDid you also install Rockbox? iPodPatcher alone is not enough to complete an install.
07:45:34ashayes, both rockbox and the english.voice extra
07:45:51ashaand verified /Volumes/ipod/.rockbox existed before flashing
07:46:04LloreanYou didn't flash.
07:46:10LloreanNothing is flashed during an install on iPods
07:46:30ashanot even when running ipodpatcher?
07:46:33LloreanNot even then.
07:46:55ashawhat is the purpose of ipodpatcher?
07:47:07LloreanThere's a hidden partition on the disk that we need to write data to.
07:48:00ashai had unmounted but not ejected the ipod before running the ipodpatcher, as instructed. wouldnt it have written to that partition during that time?
07:48:24LloreanIf iPodPatcher completed successfully then that should be fine.
07:48:59LloreanI would recommend though that you try booting the iPod into disk mode (hold menu+select, then immediately when it powers off and restarts, hold select+play), connecting it, and trying to install with RBUtil instead
07:49:23ashaok i will try this thanks
07:49:36ashais diskmode only part of rockbox?
07:50:19LloreanNo, diskmode is from Apple.
07:50:32ashaok
07:50:34ashathanks again
07:50:36LloreanIt's in flash, and always there independent of what rockbox does.
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07:53:14ashaosx now recongnises the ipod in disk mode - is there now a way to get rockbox working?
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07:53:28ashait's so hard to tell since the screen only shows black or white, with a large crack down the middle
07:53:30LloreanAs I said, I recommend you try installing via RButil
07:54:13ashaok. sorry to bother with inanity - thanks
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