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#rockbox log for 2008-04-21

00:00:38toffe82so if there is always a way to recover
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00:02:19DerPapstbeast, beavt or both?
00:02:39toffe82I am on the V actually
00:02:47toffe82but the S must be the same
00:02:49gevaertsbricks are useful to build towers :)
00:03:00amiconnProbably the V and S are about as similar as the F and X
00:03:31Orimilii like the S
00:05:10DerPapstdo they have the same screen resolution? i guess they do
00:06:23toffe82yes
00:06:37toffe82but the screen is bigger on the V
00:07:37*DerPapst preferes the s then :-)
00:07:39toffe82but I have to find out if the security hole on the S is working on the V, I need to contact zunepet :)
00:08:21DerPapsthowever i like landscape targets more.
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00:15:32peturdo the current touchpad drivers need much filtering/debouncing? I made one for the H10 with most code needed just to get something stable :/
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00:45:54preglowhrmph
00:46:08preglowis there no way to detect an accessory? i doubt apple handles accessory power this way
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00:52:09 Quit ender` (" First things first, but not necessarily in that order.")
00:56:14LloreanDo we have a policy on wiki pages like this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LogoSwapper
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00:56:36LloreanIt's simply a third party tool someone random has created to directly modify a Rockbox binary. As well, it has no included license or anything, to boot.
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01:00:27gevaertsI think that the wiki page is not a problem as such, but the binary with no license is (at least as long as it's actually hosted on the rockbox.org server)
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01:01:21*gevaerts also doesn't see the point. You see that bitmap for all of two seconds
01:03:24*DerPapst replaced it on noe target...
01:03:29DerPapst*one
01:04:12gevaertsDid you put an iPL logo on it ?
01:04:35DerPapstheh no...but maybe i should :-)
01:06:35Lloreangevaerts: Well it's, in a way, similar to the idea of hosting unsupported builds. We don't like people creating wiki page for their BobBuild or whatever.
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01:06:42LloreanBut yeah, the big issue is the lack of license.
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01:09:08gevaertsLlorean: good point.
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01:12:02LloreanBasically, its use turns any build into an unsupported build, as well. It's closed source, so we can't check what it's doing, and even if it's open source, it's making a modification of the binary and we can't be assured it's bug free, ever, really.
01:12:27w1ll14mgnight all, we'll see what happens tomorrow ;)
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01:12:48*gevaerts agrees.
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01:13:08w1ll14mi might have done something interesting...
01:13:19w1ll14mbut i will let it know if it is finished
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01:13:33*Llorean updates the warning on the page, for now
01:14:57*DerPapst guesses it has something to do with the beast and i2c
01:15:21quest23 /msg nickserv set hide email on
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01:17:14DerPapst /ns gost quest23 bla
01:17:19DerPapst*ghost even
01:17:47kkurbjunIf we have to make a new gigabeat bootloader release, would it be better to have the original firmware take care of the extra case when it's loaded with the old FW? It shouldn't be hard to do, but the code is dependent on how large specific portions of code are
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01:18:36kkurbjunso the downside is that in the future people could be running into bugs caused by this code if the begining portions of the code increase much
01:18:50kkurbjunspecifically the mmu portions of the code
01:19:00Lloreankkurbjun: "The extra case"?
01:19:26kkurbjunthe old bootloader loads rockbox with an offset of 100 bytes
01:19:38kkurbjunto allow for the vector table to be copied back in
01:19:46kkurbjunand it's also linked that way
01:19:56kkurbjunbut that causes problems with the flash enabled builds
01:20:20kkurbjunso that 100 byte offset can be detected if rockbox is loaded with an older fw and taken care of
01:20:45kkurbjunbut if the code in crt0.s is offset much more it won't work right
01:21:09kkurbjunright now it's not an issue, but I could see it being a problem if someone added more features to the mmu code
01:21:21LloreanAh
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01:21:51kkurbjunthe consequence of loading with an older bootloader is the player shuts down emmediately
01:22:07kkurbjunbut we have the bootloader usb mode that people can use to update their bootloader
01:22:24kkurbjunor I can add code in to take care of an older bootloader
01:22:26LloreanWe've broken support for older bootloaders in the past.
01:22:33LloreanWhen it's necessary enough
01:22:43LloreanBut I don't know what you mean by "have the original firmware take care of the extra case"
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01:24:14kkurbjunsorry, I worded that completely wrong "would it be better to have the original firmware take care of the extra case when it's loaded with the old FW?" I mean Would it be better to have the main rockbox build take care of the extra case when it's loaded with the old bootloader
01:24:29kkurbjunwow, that sentence didn't communicate what I meant at all :P
01:24:37LloreanThat's perhaps why I was confused. :)
01:24:39MRWNew here. I have a .frm radio preset file for San Diego CA to upload.
01:26:13Lloreankkurbjun: I'd say it's okay to break support for the old bootloader as long as we try to get the new bootloader out *before* we break the old one (assuming the new bootloader works with old builds). We broke old builds with dual core support, and things went over okay. The important thing is that the new bootloader can be installed when Rockbox itself can't boot, and bootloader USB should allow for this
01:26:56LloreanMRW: .fmr, and are you asking for wiki write access?
01:26:56kkurbjununfortunately there's not a clean way to release a new bootloader before it's required
01:27:10Lloreankkurbjun: New bootloader won't work with old builds?
01:27:47pixelmaMRW: are you asking for wiki write permission? Then we'd have to know your wiki name... :)
01:27:57*pixelma too slow
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01:28:09MRWLlorean: Yep.
01:28:23LloreanMRW: Then as pixelma said, we need to know your wiki name
01:28:30MRWWiki Name: Marc Whitaker
01:28:33kkurbjunno, the old bootloader added that 100 byte offset, the new one doesn't and I don't see a really good way to detect whether it's an old build or not. I'm trying to unify the bootloader and the main build code along with adding in a way for rolo to work
01:28:47kkurbjunalong with flash booting of the bootloader and the main build
01:29:30kkurbjunwhen I say unify the bootloader and main build code I'm specifically talking about removing the bootloader special cases scattered around
01:29:46kkurbjunin the lcd driver, and in CRT0.s
01:30:22LloreanMRW: You should have write access now
01:30:50Lloreankkurbjun: This is when RButil could've come in handy, if people were using it widely
01:30:52MRWLlorean: Thanks.
01:31:21Lloreankkurbjun: But I guess a note on major changes and the front page would be okay, imho. But I guess others should weigh in.
01:31:42*amiconn wants that link back, btw
01:32:23Lloreanamiconn: Who was that directed at?
01:32:39amiconnMajorChanges link...
01:32:51LloreanAh.
01:32:52LloreanAgreed
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01:34:23kkurbjunyeah, I'll wait and see if anyone else has an opinion - I'm going to work on adding detection and see if I can get some of this mmu code out of .init.text
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01:36:36amiconnLlorean: Do you remember where that link used to be located on the front page?
01:37:05Lloreanamiconn: No, I don't.
01:42:16*Nico_P doesn't recall there being a link to majorchanges on the front page
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01:48:51DerPapstthere was.. iirc it was located near the recent svn table
01:49:36LloreanYeah, it was definitely somewhere in that vicinity I think
01:49:42LloreanI remember seeing it there, for sure
01:49:45LloreanOn the page, I mean
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02:03:37DerPapstnight all :-)
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02:25:33almita hola necesito ayuda tengo un ipod 80gb 5.5g y corre bien el ipodlinux y el rockbox
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02:26:28rolamahola
02:26:31rolamaholaaaaaaaa
02:26:37rolamaalguien me puede ayudar
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02:30:08rolamaI have a 80gb iPod generation 5.5 and installed linuxmanager and rockbox and ilaunch and not working
02:30:57cool_walking_I have no idea what linuxmanager or ilaunch are, but they're not supported.
02:32:11rolamaI support good with rockbox
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02:32:48cool_walking_Please rephrase that.
02:34:02rolamaAy some pluying to read pdf
02:34:32rolamaAnd that I can not play pacman
02:35:58cool_walking_Pacman requires you to have ROMs from a Pacman machine. I think you can only legally acquire these if you have your own Pacman machine.
02:37:16rolamaAnd the next in pluyings of rockbox what is not working and try to start
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02:39:35rolamaIs someone
02:39:53cool_walking_I am trying to understand what you said.
02:41:25rolamaOK apology
02:42:04soapiLaunch, if I understand correctly, is an iPodLinux application - irrelevant.
02:42:51soapLinuxmanager is another iPodLinux product, and possibly not irrelevant.
02:43:02soaprolama, what you need to do is remove the ipod linux bootloader.
02:43:14soapGet your iPod back to an Apple Firmware only state.
02:43:57rolamaBut that if noce if install rockbox but now I have and I want to know how good it is
02:44:08soapThen install the Rockbox bootloader. It will also launch iPod linux if you so desire, but we can not help you so long as the ipodlinux bootloader is on your system. It is not Rockbox software, and very well likely does not work well with Rockbox anymore.
02:44:26soapRockbox is very good at playing music.
02:44:56soapI am sorry if I also misunderstood you and you have Rockbox working properly without problems.
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02:45:17soapRockbox is ten times better than iPod linux at playing music.
02:46:29rolamaI agree the sound quality is better but what else can I do I read pdf
02:46:51soapdo you want to read a PDF on Rockbox, or are you saying you have read the PDF manual?
02:48:39rolamaWant to read a PDF in Rockbox I saw him in a page that could or could even future
02:49:16soapRockbox does not have a PDF viewer.
02:49:45soap:(
02:50:22rolamaAnd pluying and applications are only brought default or I have more
02:52:19rolama And pluying and applications are only brought default or I have more
02:54:12rolamaAnd pluying and applications are only brought default or I have more
02:54:15cool_walking_We did see your message the first time, we are just having some difficulty understanding you.
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02:57:30cool_walking_Could you try rephrasing?
02:58:26rolamaChange that
02:58:29cool_walking_There are some additional plugins if you are willing to compile your own build of Rockbox.
02:59:10krazykitnone of them are PDF viewers though.
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03:00:08cool_walking_Rockbox can currently only view plain text documents. There are PC tools available to convert PDF to plain text. Usually they are named "pdf2text" or something similar.
03:00:12rolama And where I get to explain
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03:01:40rolamaAnd observe well the pdf where discharge converter
03:03:25rolamaThat changes the rockbox for 30gb and 60 and 80gb and has something to do such a version is the 5g and the other from 5.5g
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03:06:09quest23what is car adapter mode in the general system settings for???
03:06:30cool_walking_rolama, are you using a language translator such as Babelfish or Google Translate? If so, maybe you could try another one.
03:06:35Lloreanquest23: Is it not in the manual?
03:07:19rolamaIf you use Google
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03:09:58rolamaAnd where I obtain the convertor and in that it(he,she) changes rockbox in the ipod of 30 and 60 and 80gb and also in as(according to) his(her,your) generations
03:10:36rolamaThis way already you can read it
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03:14:55rolama And where I obtain the convertor
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03:15:34Lloreanrolama: The installation tools are described in the manual.
03:15:40cool_walking_Which converter? PDF to plain text, or language translator?
03:16:38rolama PDF to plain text
03:18:46rolama Llorean Only I want to know of mas pluyings
03:19:39LloreanWe do not know of more plugins.
03:20:44rolamaAnd of applications
03:21:10LloreanPlugins are the same as applications.
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03:22:07rolamaThen only I need the convertor of pdf to txt
03:22:34LloreanUse google. We don't have one. We only know they exist.
03:22:50rolamaAnd topics apart from that sigh in the page
03:23:36LloreanI do not understand.
03:24:01rolamaTo ok thank you for his(her,your) help we meet then
03:25:00rolamaThank you
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03:47:34DarkWhere can I download rockboy? :/
03:47:54LloreanPlease, read the manual.
03:47:56DarkI found a download before but it only had a .exe in it...or if thats what I need how do I install it to rockbox?
03:48:20DarkI've real everything in the past half hour -_- nothing.
03:48:24Darkread*
03:48:44LloreanWhat player do you have?
03:48:54DarkSansa e250
03:49:27LloreanSo the manual has Rockboy in it?
03:50:06DarkUh nope?
03:50:11DarkIt does not.
03:50:26DarkThe Wiki for Rockbox does, but it does not explain where to put it on the player :/.
03:50:54LloreanDark: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-20100010.3.5
03:51:01LloreanThis certainly looks like a section in the e200 manual for Rockboy to me...
03:52:04DarkThanks, the manual I have, I looked for rockboy...X_x, maybe plugins was the key word there.
03:52:36LloreanWell, that's the official manual. It's generated from the .pdf file we provide, which is also the official manual.
03:52:43LloreanSince one is generated from the other, the content is identical.
03:53:07LloreanIf you were looking at something else, other than something from the page behind the "Manual" link at our site, then it's not the manual
03:53:13DarkWait, thats the manual for rockboy, but it says nothing about where to put on the player?
03:53:55LloreanAll official plugins are included...
03:54:24DarkReally? Mine doesn't have rockboy when I installed rockbox >_<
03:54:32LloreanYes it does
03:54:41LloreanRead the manual section I linked for how to use it.
03:54:53LloreanMaybe read the section header for "Viewers" as well, while you're at it.
03:56:20DarkI'm still lost here, if it's included, where in plugins on the player is it? It's not in the games, apps, or demos....
03:56:37LloreanDid you read the section header for Viewers like I just told you to?
03:57:31DarkJust did but it's a tad confusing..
03:57:50LloreanWhat exactly don't you understand?
03:58:37DarkSomething about .links and having to create a .txt...?
03:59:23LloreanUhm, are you sure you didn't just read the text viewer section, rather than the header for 'Viewers'?
03:59:27LloreanPlease, take your time and read carefully
03:59:54LloreanViewers cannot be run directly, you just play the file with the associated extension
03:59:59LloreanIn the rockboy section it says "To start a game open a ROM file saved as .gb or .gbc in the file browser."
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04:00:15LloreanSo, you "play" a .gbc file, and it runs.
04:00:26DarkYes I've read the viewers.
04:00:45Dark...Yes I know that
04:00:52DarkThe problem is I don't -have- rockboy..
04:00:57LloreanYes, you DO
04:01:06LloreanHave you tried simply clicking on a .gbc file in the file browser?
04:01:11LloreanExactly like it tells you to do?
04:01:26Darkx-X ooooh I get it.
04:01:33DarkI have to put the roms on, and I don't technically click rockboy...
04:01:59LloreanIn there it explicitly says that you DON'T run the viewer itself
04:02:10Darkoh >_> so where should I put the roms?..
04:02:17LloreanAnywhere
04:02:37Darkalright.
04:02:38DarkLet's see.
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04:04:28DarkI put the rom in the "games" folder, but it's not showing up?
04:05:08LloreanAre you using the normal file browser, and what do you have the "File view" setting set as?
04:05:55DarkNormal File Browser? And File view? [I have touched nothing since I installed rockbox so that may explain somethings]
04:06:33LloreanThe "Files" option in the main menu.
04:07:21DarkAh, so I create a folder there, and then...hmm
04:07:31Llorean"Files" is the file browser.
04:07:35Darkgotcha.
04:07:40LloreanI strongly suggest you spend a little more time getting familiar with the basics.
04:07:47LloreanWherever you put them, you'll have to be able to find them through "Files"
04:07:57Darkso could I create a folder in the root named roms
04:07:58Darkand put them there
04:08:00Darkand acess it like that?
04:08:05LloreanIt's going to be next to impossible for someone to help you decently if you're not familiar with the stuff in the manual.
04:08:07LloreanAnd, yes.
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04:43:20Darkis there any way to power-off my sansa e250? >_> it crashed...holding power fails...
04:45:32fpletzDark: just keep on pressing power for about 20 seconds, should turn off anyway
04:47:20Darkoh lol
04:47:22Dark50 seconds and it finally did
04:48:06fpletzhmm, never had to hold down that long ;)
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04:52:28tarelerulzI have the ipod nano block that does video , songs and photos
04:52:43tarelerulzI was wondering does rockbox work on that?
04:53:37LloreanNo.
04:53:49LloreanRockbox only works on the first iPod Nano
04:55:11tarelerulzCan you get interface to be easy to use like the ipod ? can you change stuff like that?
04:56:03LloreanI don't understand what you're asking.
04:57:27tarelerulzI have seen the rockbox gui and I was wondering change you chage it to something different. Layout , icons , ect
04:58:11LloreanIt's open source, so technically you can change it however you want.
04:58:40LloreanBut, more generally, the screen you see while music is playing is fully customizable, while the menus are more restricted. You can change the font, and icons, and colors, and background, but not much else right now
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06:14:45LloreanjhMikeS: You around?
06:19:56jhMikeSsi
06:20:13LloreanJust wondering, now that UMS seems to work, maybe the bootloader should boot Rockbox primary now?
06:20:40jhMikeScould do that, yes
06:20:55jhMikeSSeems stable enough
06:21:28LloreanSeems logical to me, but I didn't know if there was any reasons I didn't know about for the reversed boot.
06:22:25jhMikeSnot to me. it's still a developer port and flicking hold is annoying if retailos is on it.
06:22:39LloreanYes
06:26:37jhMikeSgevaerts: (for the logs) I think I found the reason for the USB trouble on PP. Try setting USBMODE_STREAM_DISABLE in REG_USBMODE and putting things back in RAM as they were. I ran 2GB both ways with and without a hub without "no prime" or "bus reset" on H10. TXFILLTUNING should probably be configured instead of using that bit. This makes sense since it adjusts for system memory latencies and suggest as to why IRAM would have a positive effect
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07:38:41raphikann mir jemand sagen, wie eine 'database.ignore' aussehen soll? Wie muss ich da die pfade eintragen?
07:41:33Lloreanraphi: This is an English language channel, please.
07:42:04w1ll14m|awLlorean: how is it possible that you are here so much ?
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07:42:31w1ll14mi mean... you are here in the evenings, in the mornings, and in the nights....
07:42:33raphiok, sorry, I just wanted to ask how to use the 'database.ignore'. How shall I write the path in there? backslashes? normal slashes..?
07:42:46LloreanYou don't put anything in it.
07:42:52LloreanYou make copies of it.
07:43:11LloreanIf you put a file called database.ignore in D:\stuff\, then the database will ignore everything in D:\stuff
07:43:40raphiOk, no I know why that didn't work....
07:43:42raphiThanks!
07:43:45w1ll14manyways, i'm gone to work :) see ya all soon.
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07:43:56Lloreanw1ll14m: I'm very often near a computer. If I am, I try to leave a client open
07:44:04w1ll14m|awahh :)
07:44:27w1ll14m|awwell... i guess i'll see you aroung tonight when i'm back ;)
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08:00:02*Llorean hears it
08:01:09B4gder:-)
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08:03:05LloreanNot many votes re Devcon. :(
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08:03:28B4gdernah, but pretty consistent results anyway
08:04:18LloreanThe few people who do care have a clear preference at least
08:04:24B4gderexactly
08:04:36B4gderI'm convinced it'll be like this tonight as well
08:04:46LloreanProbably
08:04:48B4gderI mean at the made up deadline for the vote
08:05:17LloreanBy this point though, tickets are going to be more expensive for either place anyway. =/
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08:05:35B4gderyeah :-/
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08:14:51*amiconn didn't vote because he has no clear preference
08:15:06scorchesame here
08:15:15amiconnI can't see the difference between not voting and putting '1' into both locations
08:15:38LloreanPutting 1 in both locations means "I saw the table, and I'm not going to whine about it later"
08:20:11*amiconn won't whine about the location, but only about possibly (probably?) having to organise stuff
08:21:21B4gder:-)
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08:45:55iRRVihow do i tell if my sansa is supported?
08:46:23linuxstbWhat model is it, and when did you buy it?
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08:47:10linuxstbAnd what is the firmware version? (you can see it somewhere in the menus, I'm not sure where...)
08:47:14iRRVii didnt buy it
08:47:32iRRViand the back is faded but i think it says e250R
08:47:39iRRVior maybe e260R
08:49:07advcomp2019iRRVi, what sansa firmware is on it?
08:49:20iRRViim checkin right now
08:49:45iRRVi1.0.2.100
08:50:42advcomp2019iRRVi, yep that is one of the e200R firmwares
08:50:54iRRViso it should work?
08:51:27advcomp2019yep it should.. just read and follow the steps
08:51:30iRRViand is there any feasible way to make a bakcup of the firmware and then restore if it screw up
08:51:42iRRVior is that addressed on the site?
08:53:25advcomp2019you really dont have to back up the firmware that is on it.. plus there is a newer version out anyway that can be used if you mess it up
08:55:19iRRViah
08:55:22iRRVigood point >_<
08:55:36iRRVimuch thanks
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09:03:10cool_walking_I've thought of this on and off for a while - would it be feasible/easy/good/of use to continue using Rockbox, while using the UMS in a read-only state? So you could play music on Rockbox, and read files from the PC simultaneously. Just a limited-use feature idea spawned by my being too lazy to buy an audio extension cable to reach the PC sound card.
09:03:56LloreanI don't really see a practical use for it, though.
09:04:04cool_walking_yeah me neither
09:04:11cool_walking_except for that one case
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09:05:49amiconnIn this case, both sides must not write to the disk. That rules out playback (as it has to save resume position regularly at least)
09:06:07cool_walking_Why can't rockbox write?
09:06:33amiconnBecause the PC side wouldn't be noticed that the disk's state has changed
09:06:46cool_walking_So?
09:08:15ShaidA dramatised response: "Ok" says Mr. PC, "I might go read something, but I'm pretty sure the head is where I left it, so I'll just spool it all in." (whirry hdd noises) "What is THIS? This isn't what I asked for!!!".
09:08:38peturnot really
09:08:49ShaidDon't believe everything you see in drama.
09:08:50amiconnWhenever more than one system accesses a single file system, *all* systems must not write to it, except if it's a cluster filesystem especially designed for that purpose
09:08:59peturrockbox and the pc both cache the fat for performance
09:09:45cool_walking_ahkay..
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09:10:00amiconnCluster file systems have special mechanisms for signalling that something has changed
09:12:08amiconnOn systems with true nvram, playback would be possible, but none of these has software usb
09:13:55cool_walking_Okay, thanks for the info.
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09:33:14iRRViwow
09:33:19iRRVirockbox rocks
09:33:42iRRVioh...maybe thats why its called "rock"box?
09:34:02iRRVigotcha
09:34:10*GodEater waits for the obligatory "except it doesn't do X", or "maybe it would be better if it did Y"
09:34:36iRRVii havent used it long enough to realise what is missing
09:34:42iRRVii just installed it not 5 minutes ago
09:35:02iRRVibut its better than the original firmware so far
09:35:17markuniRRVi: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-01/0134.shtml
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09:35:40iRRViexopecially cause it can do microSD HC on my sansa >_<
09:35:51iRRVii think >_<
09:36:03GodEaterit can
09:36:11iRRViyey
09:36:17*GodEater has an 8GB card in his sansa
09:36:34iRRVinot that i could ever USE that much
09:36:44iRRVibut its cool none the less
09:36:49*GodEater 's 8GB card is full
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09:37:01iRRVimy music taste is very limited
09:37:19iRRVito "nerdcore" and not much "other
09:38:05iRRVialthough it would be nice if it could blow up the moon with the press of a button...or 5
09:41:30iRRViooh
09:41:42iRRVii like how you can up the bass
09:41:45iRRVior treble
09:41:53iRRViseperataly
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09:49:20markuniRRVi: you can't find it in the sound settings menu?
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09:51:15GodEaterB4gder: the source archive appears not to have udpated again
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09:54:01iRRVimarkun: i see it
09:54:12iRRViim saying i like it
09:54:27iRRVicause im pretty sure its not in the factory firmware
09:54:29markunah, I misread
09:54:35iRRViits all good
09:55:55iRRVione more reason to love open source
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10:04:33cool_walking_I assumed markun was talking about the blow-up-moon feature.
10:09:03GodEaterthat's in the Debug (Do not enter!) menu somewhere
10:10:42iRRViyeah
10:10:46iRRVii just found it
10:11:07iRRVicause im a cheater who enters where he is not allowed
10:11:44iRRVihey look two and a quarter o'clock i must get ti bed
10:11:47iRRVinite all
10:12:06iRRVi(yeah, thats right i just said two and a quarter o'clock)
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10:33:40gevaertsjhMikeS: I'll try that later today (unless amiconn beats me to it). I do feel a bit stupid for not having seen that though ;)
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10:56:03B4gderGodEater: I'll have a look at it later
10:56:44GodEaterB4gder: thank you
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11:01:07mrkiko:D
11:01:08mrkikoHi all!
11:01:27mrkikoI can successfully crash rockbox when requesting several time to play the previous track
11:01:30mrkiko...
11:01:38mrkikothe player crashes obviously always with ide disk active.
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11:02:58MartinRgevaerts: Even the OF seems to have the qh in IRAM.
11:03:24MartinRgevaerts: In the disassembly I found a chunk where they set ENDPOINTLISTADDR to an IRAM address.
11:03:51Lloreanmrkiko: Have you filed a bug report with all the proper information?
11:04:37MartinRgevaerts: That's why I tried it then.
11:05:01MartinRgevaerts: Not sure about the td and buffer. They worked as well in DRAM for me.
11:09:54gevaertsMartinR: have you seen jhMikeS's finding about the streaming mode bit ?
11:11:11MartinRgevaerts: Saw it. I think I tried that several weeks ago without success.
11:11:30MartinRgevaerts: But maybe I did something wrong.
11:12:10*gevaerts will try it tonight, but has to finish his workday first :(
11:13:09MartinRgevaerts: Same for me.
11:14:49gevaertsI suspect that the 'disable interrupts while priming' is still needed. That may be why it didn't work for you earlier (or at least why it didn't work perfectly)
11:16:35MartinRgevaerts: Possibly. BTW, the current build works great for me.
11:17:00gevaertsFor me as well, but it can only be declared "done" when it works on amiconn's hub :)
11:17:08Mouser_XHeh.
11:17:12MartinRgevaerts: :)
11:17:46Mouser_XOnce USB support is fully working/default, are you going to start working on USB hosting?
11:17:54Mouser_XSome targets can do it...
11:18:13*Mouser_X looks at his beast.
11:18:40MartinRgevaerts: I've found a workaround for the SD driver bug, but I'm afraid it works only for my player and my SD card.
11:18:52*gevaerts looks around for people to do this. His gaze stops at Mouser_X ;)
11:19:07*Mouser_X happens to be holding a mirror.
11:19:12MartinRgevaerts: It's all about timings.
11:20:17MartinRgevaerts: +/- 1 usec makes a big difference here.
11:20:37gevaertsMartinR: it works here if I put the transfer buffer in iram, so I suspect that a small (512 bytes ?) iram buffer combined with some more interrupt disabling will do the trick, possibly combined with making sure that the critical code is in iram as well
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11:21:13markunhi goffa!
11:21:41MartinRgevaerts: For me this look like a hardware bug.
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11:21:58MartinRgevaerts: Or we are overclocking something.
11:22:04*gevaerts tries to trick MartinR into doing all the hard work, so that he can increase his commit count without doing anything ;)
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11:23:09Mouser_XIt'd be pretty neat to hook up a USB microphone to the beast, and use it as a recording target...
11:23:22*MartinR sometimes feels the urge to dig into something difficult .)
11:23:28*gevaerts smashes Mouser_X's mirror and looks again
11:23:44*Mouser_X happens to have another mirror on hand.
11:24:19Mouser_XMartinR: Cyclops smiley?
11:24:47*MartinR missed the shift key :)
11:29:07DaCapnMakes a lot more sense than >>
11:29:42DaCapnI don't know anyone who has daggers for eyes.
11:29:55Mouser_X.) might also be considered the pirate smiley with a patch over his eye.
11:31:03*Mouser_X shuts up, as this is OT.
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12:59:36LloreanNico_P: Hi. More playback problems. :(
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13:37:04Nico_PLlorean: oh?
13:37:30LloreanYes. Posted a flyspray task about it, since you weren't around. Basically, skipping enough times forward in a playlist starts to have unpredictable results.
13:37:36LloreanI get tracks other than the one that should be next
13:37:56Nico_Pisn't it roughly the same as the one we last discussed?
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13:40:28LloreanWasn't that only with back-skipping?
13:41:13LloreanBut yes, it seems to be an extension of it or related
13:44:00preglowamiconn: have you checked if retailos also does the sleep address check?
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14:46:50meebleijus want to confirm, the gbc emulatoris not fullspeed yet right?
14:48:09Mouser_XIt's full speed for me.
14:48:22Mouser_XWhat target (DAP/ MP3 player) do you use?
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14:57:09meeblei got a sansa e200series or something.
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14:58:43newnickso it is full speed? i got the sansa e250 i think.
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15:00:34newnickuuh nope.
15:01:28peturif you do, you can easily kill ghost logins... </OT>
15:02:02newnick:/im just here to figure out how to get the gbc emu running about full speed like some people claim
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15:03:45peturI don't think there are much tricks to it. It runs the speed the DAP is capable of, and it probably also depends on the game itself (?) - not that I know anything of gbc...
15:06:40Mouser_Xpetur is correct. Different games will behave differently. On the Sansa though, the CPU is too slow to emulate the GB\C very well.
15:08:36Mouser_XAt best you have an 80 mhz CPU to emulate the GB\C. It's very difficult to emulate hardware, as it requires the CPU you're working on (the Sansa in this case) to intake all of the GB\C info., "interpret" and "translate" it back into something that the game (ROM) can work with.
15:09:13Mouser_XI have a Gigabeat F40, and Rockboy runs great, excluding sound. The sound needs a lot of improvement.
15:09:48markunmaybe someone could take a look at the ipodlinux gb emu
15:10:19Mouser_XI've heard that one is optimized more.
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15:27:25newnickis there sound in doom?
15:27:38LambdaCalculus37Sound effects, yes. But no music.
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15:28:55newnicki know about that x_X
15:28:58newnickbut my doom isn't playing sound?
15:29:32LambdaCalculus37Did you enable sound?
15:30:10newnickwell if there is an option for "on and off" I guess not x_X where is such? I know in options is the volume and put those on max
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15:31:38LambdaCalculus37Have you read the manual?
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15:31:40LambdaCalculus37http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-15100010.1.5
15:34:05LambdaCalculus37Our mantra here is "When in doubt, read the manual!"
15:34:29newnickI figured it out :P
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15:34:46newnickBut if it can emulator full sound doom, why not full speed gameboy?
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15:35:22gevaertsDoom isn't emulated
15:35:32Nico_Pdoom and rockboy aretwo very different things
15:35:45LambdaCalculus37Doom is a port of the PrBoom engine.
15:35:59LambdaCalculus37And never, ever, ever get "port" and "emulation" confused.
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15:38:36Mouser_XUnlike emulation, DOOM doesn't need to be "translated."
15:38:42Nico_PI think most of those problems are bugs in the S' MTP implementation though
15:38:50Nico_Poops. wrong channel
15:39:07Mouser_XThis is due to being ported.
15:39:28Mouser_XWhen something is ported, the "translation" is done at the programming language level.
15:39:49Mouser_XThis can't be done with emulation, because the source code doesn't exist to work with the ROMs.
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15:40:28newnickrockboy is a port though.
15:40:37newnickits a port of that gnuboy or whatever >_>
15:40:49Mouser_XIt's a port of an emulator.
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15:40:59B4gderits a gnuboy port yes
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15:42:14desowinbut porting emulator still leaves you with emulator ;)
15:42:29Mouser_XExactly.
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16:02:56LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Knock knock.
16:03:33peturfollow the white rabbit
16:04:01LambdaCalculus37petur: Hi there! :)
16:04:16LambdaCalculus37I need a clean nk.bin file from the Gigabeat V updater.
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16:26:21pixelmaJdGordon: things rotting in the tracker aren't nice either :\
16:26:56JdGordonthey only rot if noone brings attention to them
16:27:04LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I agree with you. There are so many old patches in the tracker that may not work at all anymore.
16:28:06*pixelma wonders how often she should advertise her patch (which is only there to work with)
16:28:19JdGordonand yes, thats true, but its still the best place for bugs... saying they exist in irc is really annoying (the part which really annoys me is the not explaining the bug but just saying its there_
16:28:59pixelmaand "the work with" part got less attention unfortunately (at least that's my impression)
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16:29:15LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Which patch?
16:29:46pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: c200 keymap, the one you should know about ;)
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16:33:46pixelmaJdGordon: IRC is often faster and I tend to complain here too if it seems something simple. I agree though that after a "ping" with no reaction people could at least say what's it about on next try.
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16:34:28pixelmaand if there's a bit more to it, use the bug tracker
16:38:34pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: what's your patch?
16:40:34LambdaCalculus37pixelma: My disktidy patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8595?histring=8595
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16:41:35JdGordondoes anyone know if the sd/mmc cards get a special ATTR flag set for the file browser?
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16:47:17*LambdaCalculus37 doesn't recall if that's so
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16:47:57preglowLambdaCalculus37: what kind of files is disktidy supposed to remove, really?
16:48:08preglowanything that's not media?
16:48:16preglowor just misc. os droppings?
16:48:39pixelmathe latter I think
16:48:53LambdaCalculus37preglow: Just misc. OS files.
16:49:08preglowwhat are .dolphinview files?
16:49:23JdGordongnome's file manager iirc?
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16:49:26LambdaCalculus37Files created by the Dolphin file manager for KDE.
16:49:31pixelmapreglow: fron the manual "Disk Tidy deletes junk files left behind by Windows or OS X after a USB connection" ;)
16:49:47preglowJdGordon: never seen a .dolphinview file, and i use gnome
16:49:49pixelmafrom too
16:50:26preglowsomeone should refactor tidy_clean()
16:50:40preglowLambdaCalculus37: but no, patch looks good to me
16:50:46preglowif .dolphinview files are something we want to remove, that is
16:51:08LambdaCalculus37preglow: I'm sure KDE users will appreciate it. :)
16:51:42preglowi don't know if all users would call thumbs.db a "junk file", though
16:52:17LambdaCalculus37preglow: thumbs.db was already in there. That's a file created by Windows for image thumbnail viewing.
16:52:35preglowLambdaCalculus37: i know, i'm just trying to understand what exactly is the policy on what file removal schemes we want in disktidy
16:53:33preglowoh well, patch looks good to me, but i can't commit it right now, since i'm in windows
16:55:05preglowyou should look for .Trash-username as well, i hate that directory :>
16:55:22LambdaCalculus37preglow: Is that a GNOME junk file?
16:55:30preglowLambdaCalculus37: i think so, i've never really used kde
16:55:51LambdaCalculus37preglow: Okay, I'll work on that when I get a chance.
16:56:00preglowi see .Trash-thomj all the time on my player
16:56:18preglowanyway, i think i'll be booting linux later on, i'll commit it then
16:56:29*JdGordon got the WM wrong... .dolphinview is kde4.. not gnome
16:56:29LambdaCalculus37preglow: Excellent! :)
16:56:44preglowJdGordon: and it's for the file explorer app?
16:56:57JdGordonyes
16:57:00LambdaCalculus37JdGordon: .dolphinview is KDE4, but I also made it look for .d3lphinview files from KDE3.
16:57:57JdGordonisnt dolphin new to kde4?
16:58:13LambdaCalculus37JdGordon: It's also available for KDE3.
16:58:28LambdaCalculus37That's what I'm using now; I've still got KDE 3.5.8.
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17:07:37preglowshould be a quick enough patch
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18:03:44LambdaCalculus37Nico_P: What have you found so far?
18:04:07Nico_PLambdaCalculus37: not much, really. It's a maze of documentation.
18:04:19Nico_Palso I'm really not familiar with windows programming
18:04:20pondlifeAll your DRM are belong to ms
18:04:21LambdaCalculus37!
18:04:48LambdaCalculus37Sweet! My Gigabeast connects through Rockbox!
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18:09:00LambdaCalculus37Very nice! I can mount the Gigabeast's drive and read and write to it in Rockbox!
18:11:23*LambdaCalculus37 gets out a beer for gevaerts, opens it, and hands it to him :)
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18:11:39*gevaerts drinks LambdaCalculus37's beer. Thanks
18:12:04alienbiker99LambdaCalculus37 what kind of gigabeat?
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18:12:14LambdaCalculus37S60.
18:12:37alienbiker99awesome. i guess i have to go update mine
18:13:03LambdaCalculus37alienbiker99: Are you testing the Gigabeat S port as well?
18:13:08alienbiker99yeah
18:13:30alienbiker99i havent updated it in probably a month and a half
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18:14:14LambdaCalculus37Well, still no sound yet,, but USB appears to be working.
18:14:22LambdaCalculus37Well, works for me, anyway. :)
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18:15:43alienbiker99nice, theres been a lot of progress the past couple days. i've been watching the wiki pages
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18:18:14alienbiker99now that the bootloader is unreversed, the OF boots on hold?
18:18:29LambdaCalculus37Yes.
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18:18:39LambdaCalculus37So now you keep the hold switch off to boot into Rockbox.
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18:25:15Nico_Pnow I just need to set up a windows box
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18:58:25CydianHey all...quick question about SD cards on a Sansa e200 player: I understand about the size limitation imposed by the Sansa's native firmware and the need for a card reader (my laptop has one, so I'm not worried). What's the largest size SD card that Rockbox can read music off of?
18:58:55bluebrotherCydian: Rockbox can handle SDHC.
18:59:02LambdaCalculus37Up to 32GB can be read, in theory.
18:59:07bluebrotherthe largest non-SDHC is 2GiB
18:59:33bluebrotherwhile the addressing would allow more, SDHC is specced up to 32GiB
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19:00:03*bertrik_ though that regular SD could go up to 4 GB
19:00:06CydianAlright. Thanks a lot. I tried looking through the forums, but couldn't find it. :)
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19:02:22jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: what's up? (you were knocking earlier) :)
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19:06:50LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: I wanted to know if you can send me a clean nk.bin from the Gigabeat V updater.
19:08:01jhMikeSsure
19:10:18jhMikeSI've never used that one though since it never worked. I've always used the one from the recover.
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19:11:10gevaertsjhMikeS: I tried the disable streaming bit today, without any other changes, with my c250 behind 3 hubs.
19:11:24LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Which is best to use then?
19:11:33gevaertsIt worked, but there were tons of resets, both with and without the disable streaming bit fix
19:11:34jhMikeSgevaerts: any change? it changed things for H10
19:12:06jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: The 12MB one. The patching never worked on the 20MB one.
19:12:40gevaertsI didn't try yet with qh_ and td_array in dram
19:12:40LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Can you send me the 12MB one?
19:12:50jhMikeSsure
19:13:20LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: PM
19:13:20*gevaerts now suddenly realises that he forgot to test the OF on the same setup
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19:13:29jhMikeSgevaerts: I actually did it both ways. I got lots of "no prime" without that bit but nothing with it.
19:14:05gevaertsI think we need amiconn to test it on his hub. If that works, it will work everywhere ;)
19:14:05w1ll14mjhMikeS: do you mind checking out my little 'try' to init i2c ?
19:14:06w1ll14mhttp://www.pastebin.ca/992150
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19:14:44w1ll14mi'm sure it is way too poorly coded, but this would be the first thing in my life that i've written in c
19:14:53jhMikeSgevaerts: I'm pretty sure a PP needs TXFILLTUNING changed since I'm pretty doesn't have the memory bandwidth for 60MB/s.
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19:20:04jhMikeS...and BURSTSIZE?
19:20:14*DerPapst waves o/
19:20:43jhMikeS\o
19:20:46*LambdaCalculus37 waves back o/
19:20:55jhMikeS\0_
19:21:03w1ll14mlol
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19:22:03jhMikeS /O\
19:22:10faemiranyone who feels like making me a 60gb+ mp3 player that supports rockbox and doesn't have BS battery life can feel free to oblige >_>
19:22:37*gevaerts would like to leave those parameters to people who have low-level knowledge...
19:22:55*LambdaCalculus37 grabs a bunch of parts and tools and dumps them in front of faemir
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19:23:26faemirnow to learn electronics XD
19:23:44gevaertsfaemir: define 'BS battery life'
19:23:45jhMikeSgevaerts: they're poorly documented in the imx31 manual but some other freescale SoC datasheet explain them better
19:24:01faemirbut seriously, I can't find an mp3 that fits those specs, or even replacing rockbox with native firmware that supports ogg and flac
19:24:08gevaertsjhMikeS: I noticed the 'poorly documented' ;)
19:24:13faemirgevaerts, 6 hours max.
19:24:17DerPapstfaemir: there is a fun discussion about something kie that on the forums... but i guess you are aware of it already :-P
19:24:23faemirthere is?
19:24:32gevaertsfaemir: have you tried the gigabeat F (or soon S) ?
19:24:38faemirnope
19:24:43faemirI looked at the gigabeat f
19:24:48DerPapstfeisar: yep. in the new prots forum
19:24:48w1ll14mor ipod video 60/80GB
19:24:49faemirbut the ebay ones are all f20s
19:24:54LambdaCalculus37And?
19:24:59faemirI have an ipod 30gb. battery life.
19:25:04LambdaCalculus37Get a larger hard drive and drop it into the Gigabeat.
19:25:06*gevaerts should have an f60 "soon"
19:25:08faemirLearn to read back. 60gb+
19:25:19DerPapstfeisar: have fun :-P http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6751.0
19:25:21LambdaCalculus37And battery life on the iPods is now reaching 11+ hours.
19:25:24faemirgevaerts, I will pay $350 for that
19:25:30faemirLambdaCalculus37, tell that to mine.
19:25:35w1ll14mi have ipod video 60GB (can add better battery) i don't think you'll find a player with much more battery
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19:25:41LambdaCalculus37faemir: http://www.ifixit.com
19:25:52LambdaCalculus37Buy your iPod a new battery.
19:25:53jhMikeSgevaerts: MCF5251RM.pdf and MPC8349EARM_rev1.pdf actually didn't leave the explanations out
19:25:55*LambdaCalculus37 did that with his
19:26:04faemiroh also, if I donated a classic to rockbox devs, would that help cracking whatever crap apple put on it?
19:26:05DerPapstthe D2 :-D
19:26:07DerPapst55 hours
19:26:28w1ll14mfaemir: don't think so, unless you know how to decrypt the firmware
19:26:45faemircost and size aren't appealing, and i'm looking for a non video centric player.
19:27:01faemirw1ll14m, time to work at apple and spy.
19:27:10DerPapstD2 D2 D2
19:27:15faemirI mean, is it that bloody hard to get a decent large capacity player?!
19:27:29linuxstbfaemir: Yes :(
19:27:34w1ll14mfaemir: go ahead :) if you got a yob there... you can donate both ipod classic and decryption keys :)
19:27:36jhMikeSDid they ever release the R2D2? :p
19:27:37faemirIt's silly really
19:27:53faemirIt shouldn't be hard to get this kind of basic stuff.
19:28:00w1ll14ms/yob/job/
19:28:00faemirdamn apple and their encryption
19:28:06w1ll14mindeed....
19:28:31w1ll14mrockbox would be my only reason for buying ipod*
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19:28:37faemirIs there no way to crack it or something?
19:28:40DerPapsthttp://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2007/04/cowon-iaudio-d2-review.php and get a 32MB sd card :-P
19:28:41w1ll14mi hate that itunes shit load of crap
19:28:44DerPapst*GB
19:28:48faemirw1ll14m, amarok :D :D :D
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19:28:56faemirwill be on windows and mac soon as well.
19:29:03faemirso itunes isn't a problem.
19:29:07faemirit's just firmware.
19:29:09w1ll14mfaemir: still i want to do it just from a command line and basic usb
19:29:25faemirsure, it looks nice. but gah it's crap functionaility
19:29:32w1ll14mlinux+usb = commandline transfer to ipod
19:29:42LambdaCalculus37*ahem*
19:29:46*LambdaCalculus37 points to the topic
19:29:57faemirw1ll14m, write a program that somehow converts stuff you copy onto it in harddrive mode to the database? :D
19:30:15w1ll14mthat was the point.... i don't need extra tools
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19:30:25faemirah okay.
19:30:27w1ll14mand why would i use the ipod interface if i have rockbox...
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19:30:40w1ll14mi hate ipods.... except rockboxed ones ;)
19:30:41faemirwhat is the battery life on f60s?
19:31:18faemirif only cowon would release an x7 that could quickly be hacked for rockbox ;_;
19:31:51gevaertsfaemir: according to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide, 16-20h
19:32:48faemirdamn.
19:32:51faemirI need one of those :P
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19:33:48w1ll14mjhMikeS: did you checked out the pastebin link ?
19:34:09faemirisn't the zune similar to the gigabeat s?
19:34:34linuxstbYes, but the flaw present in the gigabeat s's encryption isn't present in the Zune
19:34:48w1ll14munfortunate for us
19:34:48LambdaCalculus37So that puts a damper on our day.
19:35:08LambdaCalculus37Plus, I don't think anyone's taken a look at the newer Zune models.
19:35:12amiconnpreglow: I have no idea whether the OF does this. This sleep alignment issue is something I found solely by experimentation, without any RE. It's only needed if caching is involved, i.e. running from dram *and* cache is enabled
19:35:47faemirwell if anyone feels like selling me a gigabeat f60 anytime soon, gimme a shout :D
19:36:12jhMikeSw1ll14m: checking
19:36:14w1ll14mgot my GigaBeat S last saturday i love her allready
19:36:17amiconnWe could put the sleep into iram instead, but I think making it a function is more overhead than 2 additional instructions inlined, and why waste iram for something not performance critical?
19:36:17w1ll14mjhMikeS: ok
19:37:10faemirwhat are the chances of making a rockbox 100% compatible player out of the basic pieces?
19:37:36w1ll14mfaemir, you need good documentation of the parts used in that player
19:37:43w1ll14mas the player needs drivers and stuff
19:38:00faemirok
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19:38:23faemirIt's just very worrying to me that all the rockbox compatible players are out of production :(
19:38:40w1ll14mipod video are good to get on ebay and stuff
19:39:00faemiryes but they aren't in production, and have lame ass batteries.
19:39:01w1ll14mgigabeats are another story... especialy if you live far away from the us....
19:39:07faemirunless you can shove your own in there.
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19:39:22w1ll14mfaemir, you can replace it with a 'stronger' one
19:39:27faemir..?
19:39:30faemiroh right
19:39:50faemirstill, they aren't in production anymore, and hell, soon they will be 2 versions old,.
19:40:05faemirperhaps the new ipods will have no encryption or holes. *dreams on*
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19:40:31w1ll14mfaemir: http://www.ipodjuice.com/5th-generation-ipod-video-battery-replacement-products.htm
19:40:35jhMikeSw1ll14m: I am doing the read/write functionality right now. The pll decoding is likely useful for SPI as well.
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19:40:48w1ll14mjhMikeS: nice
19:40:58w1ll14mi had to define some new stuff in imx31l.h
19:41:03linuxstbfaemir: There may well be flaws in the encryption in the new ipods, afaik no-one has tried very hard to crack them
19:41:10amiconnjhMikeS: Do you have a patch?
19:41:24*w1ll14m wants a patch too
19:41:31jhMikeSamiconn: for the USB?
19:41:34amiconnyes
19:41:57jhMikeSamiconn: just change line 414 to REG_USBMODE = USBMODE_STREAM_DISABLE | USBMODE_CTRL_MODE_DEVICE;
19:42:20w1ll14mjhMikeS: which file ?
19:42:35amiconnjhMikeS: tnx
19:42:59jhMikeSmaybe put the __aligned__((2048)) back on qh_array and put it back in RAM to test as well
19:44:02jhMikeSw1ll14m: firmware/target/arm/usb-drv-arc.c . The 'beast doesn't seem to have bandwidth issues at high speed though :)
19:44:02faemirlinuxstb, why would they not?
19:44:23w1ll14mjhMikeS: thanx
19:44:47linuxstbfaemir: ?
19:44:57faemirtry very hard to crack it
19:45:03amiconnjhMikeS: What's puzzling me is that the H10 works behind the hub (with svn), but the mini does not
19:45:08linuxstbfaemir: You would have to ask "them"...
19:45:13faemirlol
19:46:16jhMikeSamiconn: mine still got a number of "no prime" and "bus reset" messages with or without a hub before when trying long transfers
19:47:00amiconnYeah, I also got a few errors in the windows event log, but those few didn't stop the H10 from working
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19:47:38jhMikeSafter setting that flag, it actually transferred data a bit faster :\
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19:48:00amiconnBut the mini often simply wasn't detected, and if it was, explorer hung until I pulled it again
19:49:28jhMikeSIRAM helping at all seems to point to the sort of low level timing issue that TXFILLTUNING and BURSTSIZE are meant to address
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19:51:52faemirargh, why do people sell used mp3 players on ebay with "pictures" they pulled from google? :@
19:52:42amiconnjhMikeS: That flag doesn't help. "USB device could not be detected" :(
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19:55:42amiconnThe 4th try worked, but I get the usual explorer hangs and disk errors in the event log
19:55:43jhMikeSamiconn: replug doesn't help it?
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19:56:13amiconnSource: disk, Event: 51 and/or 11
19:56:42LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: I've managed to successfully copy nearly 12GB worth of music from my iPod to my beast. :)
19:57:09amiconn7 events within 2 minutes
19:57:30amiconnThat's just while trying to browse the dirs
19:57:36*jhMikeS likes the and/or part especially
19:57:39amiconnRoot hub works as usual
19:58:23*gevaerts thinks that there should be a developer who owns all portalplayer targets
19:58:47*LambdaCalculus37 only has three, and he's not a developer
19:59:03*amiconn has 4, soon 5
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19:59:14LambdaCalculus37amiconn: What's the fifth?
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19:59:18amiconnc240
19:59:28amiconn2 of them are PP5002 though, without any usb
19:59:34w1ll14mdamn... don't you just love a BSOD one in a while....
19:59:45domonokymay be the rockbox donation fund my sponsor some PP players to important devs.. :-)
19:59:47w1ll14mit remembers you to more often use linux
19:59:53domonokys/my/may
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20:02:27*jhMikeS thinks some BURTSIZE experiments may be telling
20:03:17gevaertsMaybe we should collect some default BURSTSIZE and TXFILLTUNING settings
20:03:19jhMikeS*BURSTSIZE meh
20:04:03amiconnI really wonder what's going on here... H10 still works (hub and root) with that bit set
20:04:04jhMikeSnot sure if they'd even be set until after a controller reset
20:04:29amiconnWhat's so different with the mini?
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20:05:20jhMikeSit probably needs OF disassembly to get any extra setup info
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20:06:16jhMikeSamiconn: does rockbox do anything different to it?
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20:07:19jhMikeSfirewire?
20:07:38amiconnI don't think so, apart from the PP5022<->PP5020 differences
20:07:54amiconnFirewire is just detected via GPIO and triggers a reboot
20:08:18amiconn(there are separate GPIOs for detection firewire power and data connection, unlike for usb)
20:08:33amiconn*detecting
20:08:50*jhMikeS wondered if there was some sort of interference in SoC modules or something
20:09:41*Nico_P copied ~20 GB worth of music to his beast today
20:09:51jhMikeSgevaerts: i'd be curious if slowing things down might help the corruption on sandisk players though
20:10:42gevaertsjhMikeS: it might, but I don't know if usb still works then (it didn't before yesterday's work)
20:11:17*jhMikeS doesn't know how he was using the e200 prior to the that commit then :\
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20:11:29w1ll14mdon't you just love power buttons :|
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20:11:51gevaertsjhMikeS: I mean "it didn't work without boosting"
20:12:37jhMikeSI don't see how PP could even handle HS data rates without it
20:13:02w1ll14mjhMikeS: what is the max speed of a PP target ?
20:13:20w1ll14musb transfer speed**
20:13:20jhMikeSRight now 80MHz core frequency
20:13:23jhMikeSoh
20:13:29preglowamiconn: i know you found it by experimenting, but doesn't it interest you to see if apple implement any other measures for the problem?
20:13:34jhMikeSI think it was around 4.5MB/s
20:13:38w1ll14mnice :d
20:13:43jhMikeSbut that's an average rate
20:13:44w1ll14mi got 8MB/s with 100.8 Mhz
20:13:55w1ll14mi have a lucky chip
20:13:55amiconnpreglow: Too complex to hunt down, imo.
20:14:06preglowamiconn: sounds like it'd be pretty simple to find to me
20:14:08w1ll14mipod video tho
20:14:27jhMikeSactual DMA transfers by the controller can't be faster than the RAM can handle
20:14:50gevaertspity :)
20:14:56w1ll14m:)
20:15:01amiconnpreglow: I didn't see something like I've implemented, but it's very possible that they went for iram. ANd since I didn't bother analysing their loading process, I don't know the segmentation
20:15:58amiconnThe rom is just so much easier to work with that the full-blown OF
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20:23:29amiconnjhMikeS: There is a difference in rockbox between the mini and the targets which work...
20:24:15amiconnIn system-pp502x.c: system_init(), there are target dependent inits - so far none for mini and mini G2
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20:27:13amiconnThe various settings for other targets include your mysterious CACHE_PRIORITY
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20:30:23alienbiker99hmmmmm i cant run the mknkboot
20:30:27mcuelenaerewhat exactly is IRAM? does it have to do with the ICache?
20:30:50BigBambiNico_P: Coolio! Windows MTP give in then?
20:31:14jhMikeSamiconn: when was the mysterious CACHE_PRIORITY ever selected based on target?
20:31:27gevaertsmcuelenaere: IRAM is the static RAM that's on the CPU itself
20:31:52amiconnI dunno
20:32:10mcuelenaeregevaerts: but is it mentioned like this in datasheets? Because I can't seem to find any good reference to it..
20:32:34gevaertsmcuelenaere: datasheets usually have it as SRAM I think
20:32:39alienbiker99how do i run the mknkboot. bash is telling me command not found
20:32:51LambdaCalculus37Even with sudo?
20:32:56jhMikeSah, Buschel added settings later
20:33:01Nico_PBigBambi: it was quite easy actually. I just compiled a sample application, used it to send the file with the right type and it was all good :)
20:33:09bluebrotheralienbiker99: added the ./ in front of it?
20:33:18alienbiker99hmmm ill try it
20:33:28mcuelenaeregevaerts: thanks, that seems to be the correct term :)
20:33:30Nico_Pnow it should be quite easy to write a small program that does just the sending
20:33:31alienbiker99ah thanks, thats what i forgot
20:33:39amiconnjhMikeS: Setting it like on the other targets doesn't help though
20:33:44amiconnNo change
20:34:15BigBambiNico_P: Well easy or no, félicitations all the same
20:34:23bluebrotherdomonoky: any reason not to release rbutil tonight?
20:34:31Nico_Pthanks :)
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20:35:05domonokybluebrother: no reason, if you have time to build new binarys (my static Qt build system isnt working again) ..
20:35:27bluebrothersure. I'll update the version files and build it
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20:35:49bluebrotherbtw, I added a __DATE__ __TIME__ to the version string. Do you think I should keep that?
20:36:24*domonoky thinks adding time and date is a good idea..
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20:37:03domonokydont forget to branch off rbutil-m1.0.5 in svn after commiting the version update..
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20:38:24bluebrothersure :)
20:38:50Buschelregarding the system_init(): I tried undoing all the target specific stuff for USB-testing soem weeks before. no difference on my 5.5G
20:39:05BuschelI do have the same problem like amiconn
20:39:16Buschel*some
20:39:40gevaertsBuschel: did you test since yesterday ?
20:40:19*DerPapst would like to see FS #8637 and FS #8595 combined before either of them gets commited.
20:40:23Buschelnot yet. a build costs ~30min and I had my wife becoming unpolite about my hobby ;o)
20:40:39DerPapstboth are disktidy patches
20:40:41gevaertsThere were a lot of fixes...
20:40:58amiconn30min? What kind of box is that?
20:41:09w1ll14mdamn :|
20:41:10Buschelsome pentium 700MHz
20:41:18w1ll14mi do it in 1,5 min - 2 min
20:41:19w1ll14mmax
20:41:26Buschel*sniff*
20:41:33amiconnBuschel: And cygwin, I presume?
20:41:45*amiconn already thought his build time is rather lengthy
20:41:54Buschelamiconn: exactly. plus antivir (if I forget to switch it off)
20:41:56amiconn10..12 min for an swcodec build
20:42:18amiconn(with kaspersky switched off of course, otherwise it would also be 30 min)
20:42:19w1ll14mamiconn: which player ?
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20:42:28amiconnAny swcodec
20:42:35Buschelbut I think I'll buy some notebook as the PC in the cold and dark basement
20:42:37w1ll14mipod 5g is a swcodec right ?
20:42:38amiconnHwcodec builds are about half the time
20:42:41amiconnyes
20:43:00w1ll14mdamn :| that does takes a lot of time
20:43:09w1ll14mhere it takes about .... 1,5 - 2 mins
20:43:19amiconnYou're on linux, right?
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20:43:24w1ll14mgentoo + rockboxdev.sh @ p4 2.4 GHz
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20:43:36w1ll14mbut it's an overloaded *home* server thingy
20:43:45Buschelthat's why I won't change the config-file but change gevaerts' #ifdefs directly in the source :)
20:43:56amiconnWell, my laptop could do it in ~3 minutes if I would run linux on it, but I won't do that
20:44:09amiconn(Pentium M 1.5GHz)
20:44:47Buschelmy notebook is a companies notebook, i better not install too much private stuff on it
20:44:47w1ll14mi have a p4 1.8 MHz ... my old laptop ;) he's almost 5 years i think
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20:45:13w1ll14mwe should create some bootable linux distro with some memdisk for temp building rockbox
20:45:26w1ll14ms/bootable/iso bootable/
20:45:38w1ll14myou put in the disk.
20:45:40w1ll14mit boots
20:45:41w1ll14mget svn
20:45:46w1ll14mcompile, the copy
20:45:48amiconnWell, I have VMware server installed, and a linux VM available
20:45:49Buschellast comment on compile times: for me it's faster to submit and wait for the build table ;o)
20:45:50w1ll14ms/the/then/
20:46:00w1ll14mlol
20:46:02amiconnStill I prefer to build on cygwin over using linux
20:46:25Chrononamiconn: what reason?
20:46:35amiconnConvenience
20:46:50bluebrotherhmm, tags for rbutil are kinda mixed.
20:47:00*gevaerts wouldn't want to change OSes for compiling either
20:47:13amiconnNo copying back & forth via samba or similar etc
20:47:24domonokybluebrother: so just continue the mix :-)
20:47:29w1ll14mjust connect player direct on linux
20:47:30Buschelgevaerts: btw, did you figure out why the battery runtime suffers when doing benches directly after USB-connection without rebooitng?
20:47:33w1ll14mno copying
20:47:33*bluebrother has a virtualized windows running for compiling :)
20:47:35Buschel*rebooting
20:47:44w1ll14malso, my linux server is my samba, and rockbox is in there ;)
20:48:03gevaertsBuschel: no
20:48:09amiconnw1ll14m:Well, do you edit the code on linux or windows?
20:48:17w1ll14mlinux
20:48:20Chrononrebooting takes a while, so if everything else that you want to do is in Windows you have kind of obliterated the time advantage by having to reboot twice. ..
20:48:23Chronongot it
20:48:23w1ll14mnano + some nice nanorc files ;)
20:48:29gevaertsnano ?
20:48:35*gevaerts would prefer windows
20:48:38w1ll14mnano is a linux text editor
20:48:42Buschelw1ll14m: just saw your comment above -> you're running your video @100MHz? did you try to run the test_disk plugin?
20:48:59w1ll14mbushel.... i don't have testdisk, i think i need to build that plugin
20:49:08gevaertsw1ll14m: that's a matter of opinion ;)
20:49:11amiconnw1ll14m: See, I am editing on windows. That would mean copying files twice (or working directly from the samba share of course)
20:49:38Buschelw1ll14m: yes. because my video worked fine @100Mhz, too. except test_disk only works stable up to 90MHz −− that's what I use right now
20:49:39w1ll14mamiconn, yes indeed, that would make things a little more complicated
20:49:48w1ll14maha....
20:49:59w1ll14mi will create a fresh build tonight
20:50:06w1ll14mand how to enable testdisk ?
20:50:20w1ll14mwhat code do you use to scale your ipod up to 100 Mhz ?
20:50:52Buschelw1ll14m: wait a second
20:51:15amiconnBuschel: What, you're wasting battery by overclocking?
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20:51:43w1ll14mi use eq... that is getting to heavy for ipod to gain full buffer
20:51:48*amiconn tried 96MHz on his mini once just to see whether it works, but otherwise just uses plain svn 80MHz
20:51:56w1ll14mthus using more harddisk = even more wasting
20:52:11amiconnThe mini G2 has a real PP5022 though, so up to 100MHz are clearly within specs
20:52:27Buschelw1ll14m: PLL_CONTROL = 0x8a121903; /* 100 MHz = (25/3 * 24MHz) / 2 */
20:52:47preglowBuschel: do you know how apple handles accessory powering? i think an option is a bit undesirable, if it can be avoided
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20:52:55Buschelamiconn: it's not wasting battery. it just boosts less often
20:53:32w1ll14mbuchel, i forgot to create a patch of my last one :(
20:53:44w1ll14m100.8 Mhz was my speed.. it was stable tho
20:53:48Buschelamiconn: and reads faster from HDD -> maybe i _save_ battery via shorter acitve of HDD :)
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20:54:44Buschel*active time
20:54:48w1ll14mbrb i have to do some house cleaning....
20:54:54w1ll14mit hard to live on your own :P
20:54:58*Buschel wonders what he was typing...
20:55:29*w1ll14m wonders about that too....
20:55:32w1ll14mbrb
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20:56:10*gevaerts wants iram malloc()
20:56:21preglowgevaerts: why?
20:56:37*LambdaCalculus37 wonders if gevaerts was only joking
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20:56:40gevaertsActually, for a Q&D test :)
20:56:51jhMikeSimalloc()?
20:56:53*preglow puts away flamethrower
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20:59:31*amiconn never had a need for malloc
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21:00:02mcuelenaerewhere is show_logo() defined? google code search doesn't give me any (useful) results
21:00:30*amiconn thinks that grep is much better suited for this task
21:00:31Nico_Pin apps/misc.c
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21:01:00mcuelenaereNico_P: thanks
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21:01:12amiconnIf it's still the logo build problem - check apps/bitmaps/native/SOURCES, and make it select a suitable logo
21:01:23amiconnNo need to fiddle with the function at all
21:02:57mcuelenaereamiconn: it isn't that problem anymore, I thought apps/main.c called show_logo(void) and that this one crashed the loading
21:03:08bluebrotherBagder: around?
21:03:36bluebrothercan you move rbutil 1.0.5 to the download server? It's located at http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt-v1.0.5.zip and .tar.bz2
21:04:15amiconnmcuelenaere: Loading of what?
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21:05:04mcuelenaereamiconn: Rockbox :)
21:05:30mcuelenaereI'm still at the bootloader stage
21:05:42amiconnRockbox is already running when show_logo() is called
21:05:59amiconnThe bootloader doesn't have show_logo()
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21:06:27mcuelenaereyes ok, maybe I should rephrase that: I'm trying to find out where exactly Rockbox crashes during main()
21:07:52amiconnapps/main.c isn't used for bootloaders
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21:08:26mcuelenaereyes I know, but the bootloader loads the main Rockbox firmware and here it crashes/locks up
21:08:34mcuelenaereat some point
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21:09:16amiconnDo you have working interrupts and tick timer?
21:09:39mcuelenaerenormally I should have, as I have them working in the bootloader
21:09:54bluebrotherdomonoky: we haven't had such a long changelog list since quite a while ;-)
21:10:13bluebrothernow the binaries need to find their way to the download server.
21:11:28domonokybluebrother: and two new target supported.. so its a nice update..
21:11:35mcuelenaereI think the lcd isn't working because the viewport is in IRAM, and the DM320 LCD controller can't access it as it requires it to be in SDRAM
21:11:40mcuelenaerealthough I've to verify that one
21:11:53bluebrotherindeed
21:13:04mcuelenaereis the m:robe 500 known to be working in normal Rockbox?
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21:15:25BuschelOT: anyone knowing whether changing WLAN USB-adapter setting from 54MBit to 11MBit will keep this damn thing from heating up too much?
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21:27:15BigBambiamiconn: For Berlin, which would be the most sensible train station?
21:27:54beavelHI, i have some question regarding Unlocking a password protected harddisk. Anyone able to discuss this topic
21:27:59beavel'?
21:28:03amiconnUmm, both Hauptbahnhof and Ostbahnhof should be about equally close to the location
21:28:09BigBambiamiconn: Thanks
21:28:10*amiconn needs to check
21:28:21BigBambibeavel: What is on the wiki is the sum of our knowledge
21:28:32*amiconn rarely uses train or public transport, as he much prefers car or bicycle
21:28:39Bagderso, should we just decide Berlin June 28-29 ?
21:28:44beavelok, ill check again
21:29:04BagderI think we should
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21:29:15BigBambiBagder: Looks like it to me
21:29:22Bagdergreat
21:29:53peturamiconn: is there possibility to park a car at your location in Berlin?
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21:31:33amiconnYes, but you either have to park it in some distance (~7 minutes to walk if you walk as fast as me), or pay for parking, except Sunday
21:32:04peturI can handle 7 minutes walking
21:32:22preglowany of you guys know how to make svn diff tell me if i've got files in my tree which are not in the official repo?
21:32:44beavelI dont see anything about hdisks at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
21:32:45amiconnUsual parking fee is 2 EUR/hour, but there's a parking area where you pay EUR 4.50 per day (much better)
21:32:52Bagderpreglow: do 'svn st' and check the question marked files
21:33:15preglowBagder: thanks!
21:33:53amiconnI have to ask whether this daily fee allows to leave and return
21:35:26BigBambibeavel: http://www.rockbox.org/lock.html is all we know
21:36:19bluebrotherpreglow: colorsvn might even be nicer ;-)
21:36:21beavelyeah, i got to rockbox trough that site
21:36:31bluebrotherBagder: noticed the links for updated rbutil binaries?
21:36:49Bagderno...
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21:37:27bluebrothercheck 30 minutes earlier
21:37:42amiconnBigBambi: Actually there are several stations between Hauptbahnhof and Ostbahnhof, but usually long-distance trains don't stop there
21:37:53Buschelbye, see you tomorrow
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21:38:14BigBambiamiconn: OK, thanks. It was mainly to get an idea - when I'm closer I'll check back :)
21:38:49dionoeahey. rockbox google summer of code results are on the website.
21:39:56linuxstbFor the lazy... http://code.google.com/soc/2008/rockbox/about.html
21:40:31petur\o/
21:40:36bluebrothernice.
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21:40:47bluebrotherdomonoky: what toolkit is your student planning to use?
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21:41:03Bagderbluebrother: done!
21:41:05linuxstbBagder: Have there been any volunteers as backup mentors so far?
21:41:09*amiconn wonders whether gevaerts or jhMikeS have an idea what else to try on mini
21:41:09bluebrotherBagder: thanks
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21:41:25domonokybluebrother: Qt. :-)
21:41:31Bagderlinuxstb: not a single one really, possibly nico_p for theme editor
21:41:34DerPapstwow... FS #8637 already implements everything LambdaCalculus37 has done in his patch.
21:41:47*Nico_P confirms
21:42:12bluebrotherdomonoky: nice.
21:42:14BagderNico_P: you up for backup mentoring that is?
21:42:17*amiconn also ponders what to do next
21:42:21Nico_PBagder: aye
21:42:26Bagdergreat!
21:42:38*gevaerts doesn't have any ideas, except maybe trying TXFILLTUNING and BURSTSIZE
21:43:26*jhMikeS is at that point where not having a device in hand makes it really, really hard but 2nds gevaerts
21:44:20*jhMikeS recommends getting the docs for other freescale SoCs (google TXFILLTUNING) to get more detailed info on the regs
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21:47:18bateljehi everyone! i want to install rockbox with the RButility,but when i want to do the installation,he says he cannot find a ipod. what to do? (when i do a autosearch in the configuration menu,he finds the ipod [in media/disk] )
21:48:33bluebrotherbatelje: so you're saying that autodetection finds your Ipod just fine but installation doesn't?
21:48:48domonokybatelje: did you try with admin rights ?
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21:49:27bateljebleubrother : yeah that's right
21:49:45bluebrotherwhich version are you using? You're on linux?
21:49:55bateljedomonoky : how do i run the ipodUtility as admin then? via the terminal ?
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21:50:09domonokybatelje: which OS ?
21:50:10DerPapstonly 4 slots for rockbox?
21:50:13DerPapstmeh :-/
21:50:21bluebrotherDerPapst: better than 3 ;-)
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21:50:24toffe82bluebrother: where is the version 1.05 of rbutil ?
21:50:33*DerPapst hoped for 5 at least
21:50:35mcuelenaerewoohoow! I got Rockbox working on my ZVM!
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21:50:48Nico_Pmcuelenaere: \o/
21:50:49DerPapstmcuelenaere: W0000T
21:50:53bluebrothertoffe82: Bagder just moved it to the download server. I guess mirrors don't have caught up yet.
21:50:54*domonoky remembers some unsuccessfull convicing of DerPapst...
21:51:04toffe82ok
21:51:09bateljedomonoky : Xubuntu
21:51:12mcuelenaerealthough the key mappings aren't worth nothing atm
21:51:14bluebrotherbut you can find the binaries here too: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/
21:51:28mcuelenaereare worth*
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21:51:44domonokybatelje: so linux: try with "sudo ./rbutil"
21:52:01bluebrotherbatelje: did you try manual bootloader install or full install only?
21:52:08LambdaCalculus37mecuelenaere: \o/
21:52:18*LambdaCalculus37 gives mcuelenaere a beer
21:52:36bluebrothermcuelenaere: congrats :)
21:52:47*mcuelenaere thanks LambdaCalculus37 for the beer :)
21:52:53*bluebrother should really implement permission checking for rbutil
21:53:00*gevaerts hands mcuelenaere another beer
21:53:07mcuelenaere:p
21:53:15bluebrotherguys, don't get him drunk too much ;-)
21:53:32LambdaCalculus37Yes, we need him to be able to commit his code. :)
21:53:33*mcuelenaere is now eagerly working on the keymaps, hoping he'll get to play with Rockbox soon..
21:53:39mcuelenaere:p
21:53:45bateljedomonoky : also negative (progress : no ipods found)
21:53:51bateljebleubrother : both
21:54:13*LambdaCalculus37 can now make some progress with the Dell DJ thanks to mcuelenaere's hard work
21:54:23bluebrotherbatelje: I'm quite puzzled why autodetection works −− it uses the same mechanism as bootloader installation
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21:54:47mcuelenaere@LambdaCalculus37: I hope so, does it run a DM320?
21:54:48domonokythen try ipodpatcher instead of rbutil for the bootloader install, but i suspect that this also wont find it..
21:55:16w1ll14m|cleaningwell..... that's a nice and clean house.....
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21:55:19bluebrotheryou could try the shiny m1.0.5 first ;-)
21:55:21LambdaCalculus37The Dell DJ is a TMS320DA255.
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21:55:57alienbiker99i forgot what i had to do to get sendfirm working on windows. can't find it in the logs
21:55:58mcuelenaerewow the Rockbox UI looks so nice on a LCD :)
21:56:27domonokybluebrother: how about detection via usb-ids, this works also when ipodpatcher fails..
21:56:45bateljebleubrother : but my ipod is fully erased,even the ipod firmwire (because of a filty and irritating crash..al gone suddenly) is tht maybe the problem?
21:57:09bluebrotherdomonoky: I haven't put in the usb ids for Ipods for a reason ;-)
21:57:15bateljedomonoky : ipodpatcher is also negative in finding the ipod
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21:57:24*domonoky sees no usb-ids for ipods, so its right.. :-)
21:57:29DerPapstalienbiker99: for the beast?
21:57:34alienbiker99yeah
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21:57:40bluebrotherhmm, the nano has a usb id.
21:57:45domonokybatelje: you have to first restore your ipod...
21:57:47bluebrotherbatelje: what Ipod do you have?
21:58:00DerPapstalienbiker99: i didn't manage it to compile sendfirm for windows.
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21:58:34alienbiker99i have it compiled from i think jhMikeS from last time i had to install the bootloader
21:58:35DerPapstalienbiker99: does the patched updater work for you? if so i added some new instructions to the GigabeatSInfo page
21:58:38domonokyipodpatcher checks the disk, to make sure it writes to the right one, so no OF makes this fail.. (there also more other checks)
21:58:55bateljedomonoky : it's all gone now thanks to a ***crash,so restoring is noit possibele i geuss?
21:59:13bateljebleubrother : ipod nano 1g
21:59:20bluebrotherbatelje: ah, so you basically lost the partition layout and OF?
21:59:33alienbiker99DerPapst i dont want to reformat the harddrive
21:59:43DerPapstalienbiker99: you don't have to
21:59:48domonokybatelje: easiest is restore with itunes in windows.. but i think there are instructions on how to restore on linux in the wiki..
21:59:59DerPapstalienbiker99: you don't have to use recovery mode.
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22:00:12bateljebleubrother : yep :/ only have 1 empty partition of 1.90 GB
22:00:15bluebrotherbatelje: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodManualRestore
22:00:37bateljedomonoky : i will search...
22:00:45bluebrotherok, then it's not surprising that Rockbox Utility doesn't install. Interesting how the USB ID for the nano slipped in
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22:00:56mcuelenaereis the UI constantly refreshed in the main screen ?
22:01:33mcuelenaererefreshing*
22:01:56bluebrotherdo a manual restore (or use Itunes), then try again.
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22:03:30peturmcuelenaere: if devcon is in Berlin (which is likely), and gevaerts, markun and I carpool, would you be interested in joining? Eeklo is not far from Gent ;)
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22:03:55mcuelenaerepetur: I'm definately interested :)
22:04:28bateljeok thanks to you all! i'll now what to do . have a nice day further to you all!
22:04:31domonokyanyone driving from something like munich to DevConBerlin ? :-)
22:04:54bluebrotherdomonoky: isn't DerPapst located somewhere in that area?
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22:05:08*mcuelenaere curses himself for not thoroughly reading his own code
22:05:39amiconnmcuelenaere: That's the "I know what I've written..." effect. I know that...
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22:06:52mcuelenaereI think it's just because I didn't chose a clear naming, BUTTON_DEBUG instead of LCD_DEBUG; LCD_DEBUG seems so much more obvious to output the debug messages to the lcd..
22:07:25bluebrotherhehe ... output messages to a button? Sounds funny.
22:07:43mcuelenaere:)
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22:09:15mcuelenaerehmm it seems I can receive one interrupt, and after that one it locks up
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22:10:00mcuelenaere.. or I just forgot that I placed a sleep(100) :)
22:10:07TaylorKillianWahoo!!!
22:10:37DerPapstheh
22:10:37TaylorKillianThank you rockbox for accepting me into GSoC! Look forward to working with you guys :)
22:10:51DerPapstTaylorKillian: congrats! :-)
22:11:18BagderTaylorKillian: congratulations and welcome!
22:11:27*gevaerts waves at TaylorKillian
22:11:39peturyes welcome ;)
22:11:43scorche|shTaylorKillian: welcome!...we now expect your project to be finished in...oh...around 3 hours or so?
22:12:07TaylorKilliandang... better get working ;)
22:12:37w1ll14mWelcome :
22:12:38w1ll14m:)
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22:12:46DerPapstTaylorKillian: hurry, can'T wait :-P
22:12:50w1ll14m:)P
22:13:03*domonoky welcomes TaylorKillian
22:13:04w1ll14ms/:)P/:)/
22:13:23DerPapstsomeone seems to have major problems with typing smilies
22:13:33w1ll14mi make a lot of typo's
22:13:44w1ll14mespecialy when i'm tired :P
22:14:38scorche|shw1ll14m: i dont see those chars properly escaped!
22:14:54w1ll14mscorche: lol
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22:15:17w1ll14ms/:\)P/:\)/ like this ?
22:15:40TaylorKillianheh nope
22:15:49TaylorKillianyou dont escape in the replacement
22:16:41w1ll14mi give up
22:16:45DerPapstheh
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22:17:46alienbiker99crap. whats the correct way to replace the driver with the lib-mtp driver?
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22:18:29mcuelenaerewhere do the keymaps get eh.. mapped ? not in drivers/button.c it seems
22:19:06w1ll14mapps/keymaps/
22:19:10w1ll14mi think it was
22:19:44mcuelenaereyes, but I mean where in the code does it call button_read()/button_read_device() and translates it to the correct key using the keymaps?
22:20:00w1ll14mthat's something i don't know ;)
22:20:04mcuelenaere:)
22:20:29amiconnmcuelenaere: The button driver calls button_read() from a tick task
22:20:39amiconnButton events are then posted to the button queue
22:21:29amiconnApplication code uses button_get() or button_get_w_tmo(). Most of the time this is the action code, using the keymap-*.c files
22:22:50mcuelenaereso the values passed on to get_context_mapping() are straight out button_read_device() ?
22:22:53alienbiker99ah i got it now.
22:23:17mcuelenaereI know they aren't really passed on to get_context_mapping(), but you get the idea
22:23:17amiconnno
22:23:48amiconnbutton_read_device() reads the current state. The button driver compares previos and current state
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22:23:55w1ll14mjhMikeS: you still here
22:24:05amiconn...in order to be able to detect presses, repeats and releases
22:24:41mcuelenaerehmm I'm currently doing something similar in the button driver
22:25:06mcuelenaereI mean in button-target
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22:26:28mcuelenaerebut I'm not sure if all pieces fit together, I mean if all code gets the right button events so is there some kind of (lcd) debugging facility?
22:26:33jhMikeSw1ll14m: yes
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22:27:08amiconnDoes the ZVM have normal buttons?
22:27:21amiconn(as opposed to touchy stuff)
22:27:25mcuelenaereyes
22:27:39mcuelenaerebut they all are treated the same in the button-target driver
22:27:39amiconnThen you don't need to do the delta stuff in the target driver
22:27:51amiconnJust read status, and let button.c do the rest
22:27:54mcuelenaerewhat do you mean by "the delta stuff"?
22:28:02mcuelenaerethe problem is I currently can't read the status
22:28:20mcuelenaerethe buttons are controlled by a PIC, and this fires an interrupt to the CPU when it detects a button press
22:28:20amiconnHmm, so how does it work?
22:28:29mcuelenaerethen I have to read the button code through IC
22:28:40w1ll14mjhMikeS: i tried the USBMODE, it doesn't change much in the performance
22:28:51amiconnHmm, so you get one code for each button pressed or released?
22:29:06gevaertsw1ll14m: I suspect that the usb mass storage speed is disk-bound
22:29:09mcuelenaereand then I set |= the button in an int
22:29:10jhMikeSw1ll14m: that flag won't help a 'beast (I thought I said that)
22:29:18mcuelenaereamiconn: yes
22:29:25mcuelenaereand for a long press
22:29:28w1ll14mjhMikes: i could have missed it
22:29:34jhMikeSok
22:29:44mcuelenaerefor example say the button PLAY has code 0x4F07
22:29:47amiconnHmm, then you indeed have to do kind of the inverse of what button.c does
22:29:48w1ll14mgevaerts: I think the disk should be faster than 2 MB/s
22:29:57*jhMikeS might have neglected to say it too :)
22:30:07mcuelenaerewhen I press this button, I get 0x4F07, when I hold it for like 1 sec I get 0x4F00 and when I release it I get 0x4F07
22:30:10gevaertsw1ll14m: read or write ?
22:30:31mcuelenaerebut my current problem is I'm not sure if the main code gets my button events
22:30:36amiconnmcuelenaere: Hmm? How can you distinguish a press from a release this way?
22:30:36w1ll14mgevaerts: my ipod which has the same harddisk gets up to 8 MB/s write MAX average of 6MB/s from USB
22:30:42w1ll14mwrite
22:30:45*jhMikeS notices a peculularity on one machine with the H10 where writing to the disk is faster than reading it
22:30:49gevaertsCould be a disk driver issue
22:30:59w1ll14mipod also writes faster then it reads
22:31:01Bagdernow please help out and edit the eurodevcon wiki to be nice and informative about Berlin
22:31:01mcuelenaereamiconn: when I get a button press, I set |= a value e.g. (1 << 10)
22:31:12w1ll14mreading is about 4,5MB 5,5 MB/s
22:31:18mcuelenaerewhen I get the same code again, I do &= ~(1 << 10)
22:31:28jhMikeSw1ll14m: check the ata timings
22:31:34amiconnmcuelenaere: And how do you know the initial state?
22:31:36mcuelenaereand some extra code if a long press is detected
22:31:46w1ll14mjhMikeS: where ?
22:31:59mcuelenaereI have to guess them, but mostly the user don't presses all the buttons when he turns on the device
22:32:03jhMikeSin firmware/target/arm/imx31/gigabeat-s/ata-imx31.c
22:32:12mcuelenaereand even then, the PIC only gives me one button at a time
22:32:17mcuelenaereexcept for the hold switch
22:32:38*jhMikeS wonders why files with *-imx31* are in the gigabeat-s directory and not the imx31 directory
22:32:40amiconnmcuelenaere: Hmm ok. You could use the longpress code to correct the state (that's the only thing I would probably use it for)
22:32:58mcuelenaerethat's more or less how it currently works
22:33:18amiconnIf you get a repeat code, the button must be pressed, so the next code will always indicate the release
22:33:25mcuelenaereindeed
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22:33:40amiconnOther than that, you can leave repeat handling to button.c
22:33:41jhMikeSmcuelenaere: this sounds like a variant of the way key are done on the S. press/release int, read keypad port, save button flags
22:34:15w1ll14mjhMikeS: CLKCTL_PDR0 i've seen this before ;)
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22:34:50w1ll14mjhMikeS: what is the current freq the imx31 runs at ?>
22:34:57w1ll14ms/?>/?/
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22:35:23mcuelenaerejhMikeS: target/arm/imx31/gigabeat-s/button-imx31.c ?
22:35:48jhMikeSw1ll14m: the pll output is currently 528 MHz and the core clock divider is set to 2
22:35:52jhMikeSmcuelenaere: yes
22:36:15mcuelenaereok, but to get back to my initial question :)
22:36:19w1ll14mjhMikeS: ok, debug menu shows 16MHz i guess that should be wrong then ?
22:36:28mcuelenaereis there a way of debugging the current button pressed?
22:36:40mcuelenaere(replace debugging by printf)
22:36:48*amiconn would probably use splashes
22:36:59mcuelenaereah, and where would amiconn place those? :)
22:37:09mcuelenaerebecause I'm not really familiay with apps/*
22:37:10jhMikeSw1ll14m: it's totally wrong
22:37:16w1ll14mjhMikeS: i guess that is defined somwhere same as ipod
22:37:20mcuelenaerefamiliar*
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22:37:40jhMikeSw1ll14m: that number is from coldfire ports actually.
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22:37:51w1ll14mjhMikeS: hmmm that needs some digging
22:38:30jhMikeSJust change the number to 2640000000 in the config file and it should show the right value (the right one for now anyway).
22:38:38alienbiker99does anybody else get FPA instruction errors when compiling for the S
22:38:48jhMikeSgive or take a '0' :)
22:39:02DerPapstalienbiker99: yesterday i didn't
22:39:09jhMikeSalienbiker99: needed to rebuild gcc to fix that
22:39:12DerPapstand it didn't change much since then
22:39:19DerPapstjust a "new" bootloader
22:39:23n1salienbiker99: do you have the multilibs patch for your arm-elf-gcc ?
22:39:25mcuelenaereis gui_syncsplash() equal to rb->splash() in the plugins?
22:39:49alienbiker99hmm i don't know i haven't used anything in a while, maybe i just need to update
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22:39:54BagderI'll get that nice company sponsor some shirts this year again for devcon! ;-)
22:40:01n1salienbiker99: rerun rockboxdev.sh :)
22:40:03w1ll14mjhMikeS: that in deed is something i've played with a lot in pp502x
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22:40:22w1ll14m**** typo's
22:40:30w1ll14mmaybe i should get some more sleep...
22:40:40alienbiker99will do
22:40:45DerPapsts/typo's/typos
22:40:47DerPapst:-P
22:42:30bluebrotherBagder: cool :)
22:43:17w1ll14mDerPapst... the 's is we use here... i'm kinda used to it ;)
22:46:37alienbiker99this script takes so long haha.
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23:08:38w1ll14mdamn it really is a beast!
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23:12:12alienbiker99the gigabeat s?
23:12:41w1ll14myeah
23:12:54w1ll14mi was comparing some plugins against my overclocked ipod
23:13:07w1ll14mbeast owned him hard
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23:15:01LeperkawnI'm getting a gigabeat S soon
23:15:09w1ll14mnice
23:15:18Leperkawnhow's dev going on it?
23:15:21w1ll14mtheir hard to get :(
23:15:28LeperkawnI know, one's on amazon for 225 new, s30
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23:15:37alienbiker99i can't wait for it to be fully functional.
23:15:43LeperkawnThat seems reasonable to me, I'll upgrade the drive to another zip-40 100gb later
23:15:44BigBambiIt was always going to win - a beast at 532 MHz + FPU + etc vs an iPod at (albeit dual) 80 MHz
23:15:50w1ll14mamazon doesn't ship outside the us
23:15:55LeperkawnI'm in the US
23:16:00Leperkawn=)
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23:16:03BigBambiw1ll14m: That depens which amazon :)
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23:16:11w1ll14mtrue
23:16:23LeperkawnUnfortunately I don't know C or related languages, so I'm near useless for dev
23:16:33w1ll14monly in the us they seem to have the gigabeat s
23:16:35BigBambiamazon.co.uk. .de, .fr etc all ship outside the US
23:16:38BigBambi:)
23:16:44alienbiker99the beast is so powerful its crazy.
23:16:47w1ll14mLeperkwan: me too
23:16:52LeperkawnIs 225 a reasonable price for it?
23:17:00BigBambi225 USD I assume?
23:17:02Leperkawnyes
23:17:05alienbiker99you might be able to find a better deal.
23:17:07w1ll14malienbiker99: that is how it should be right ;) gives us a lot of oppertunities
23:17:12BigBambiSeems a bit pricey to me
23:17:16Leperkawnalinebiker99: For a new s30?
23:17:21BigBambiEspecially for S30
23:17:22w1ll14mi got a second hand for 99 dollars from electrnic express
23:17:22alienbiker99i know i bought my s60 for $200 a year ago
23:17:28Leperkawnouch
23:17:34w1ll14ms30
23:17:49DerPapstargh!
23:17:52BigBambimy S60 was ~ 100 GBP a few months ago
23:17:57DerPapstdisktidy changed :-/
23:17:58w1ll14m:|
23:18:00Leperkawnguess it's time to hit up eBay
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23:18:14jhMikeSARMv6 instructions also makes it more efficient so more can be had with that than just out of clock speed alone. branch prediction is turned off and it should be turned on now I think (now that cache handling should be right)
23:18:23toffe82I didn't pay more than 120$ for a S , s30 or s60 :)
23:18:37BigBambitoffe82: You are an exception :)
23:18:41w1ll14mi like the current exchange rates :)
23:18:42toffe82:)
23:18:48BigBambitoffe82: btw, did you get my paypal?
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23:19:13toffe82yes, thank you, did you receive them ?
23:19:22BigBambiNot yet
23:19:34BigBambiBut it took a but of time last time
23:19:39BigBambis/but/bit
23:19:42w1ll14mi'm from holland, and i need a replacement harddisk for my ipod soon. a new one would have cost me 135 euro's
23:19:47w1ll14mwhich is 214 dollars
23:19:50alienbiker99toffe82 do you have extra s60 backplates?
23:20:00toffe82no
23:20:07toffe82only s30
23:20:12alienbiker99ok
23:20:21w1ll14mso i bought this gigabeat for 2 reasons.... if rockbox is good enough i keep beast, else switch harddisks ;)
23:20:38w1ll14mso 99 us$ is nice for a beast + good hdd
23:21:11bluebrotherwow. Impressive if you compare current rbutil with the old wx version
23:21:11Leperkawn100gb zip-40 runs around 180 USD right now
23:21:18w1ll14mand all i had to do for it... was fixing a computer :)
23:21:23DerPapstpreglow: ping
23:21:23Leperkawn1.8" of course
23:21:36BigBambi120 Zif40 can be had for 180 USD
23:21:43w1ll14mLeperkawn :|
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23:22:04w1ll14mhas anyone tried upgrading his beast disk space yet ?
23:22:12w1ll14mshould'nt be a problem right ?
23:22:13BigBambiNo, but I will do soon
23:22:16Leperkawnbigbambi: what brand?
23:22:17w1ll14mnice
23:22:22BigBambiLeperkawn: toshiba
23:22:26preglowDerPapst: uo
23:22:29preglowyo <-
23:22:47alienbiker99ahhh i want this script to be done already
23:22:54BigBambijhMikeS: Is branch prediction just a case of enabling it, or is more work required?
23:23:20DerPapstpreglow: i was working on a alternative for the disktidy plugin before you comitted it ;-) http://localhost/upload/disktidy3.patch
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23:23:39preglowDerPapst: i don't think localhost urls will fly very far here ;)
23:23:49DerPapstit'S basically FS #8637
23:23:51DerPapstof
23:23:54DerPapstheh wait a sec
23:23:59gevaertspreglow: why ? I can ping it
23:24:02jhMikeSBigBambi: it's turned off by a bit setting in the SCC setup (It was done as a control measure)
23:24:15BigBambiok, cool :)
23:24:28DerPapstpreglow: http://papsti.dyndns.org:83/upload/disktidy3.patch
23:24:32preglowgevaerts: localhost is an alias for 127.0.0.1 on most machines, which is yourself :)
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23:24:51preglowgevaerts: unless you were being sarcastic, in which case i'll just shut up :>
23:25:01DerPapst</sarcasm>
23:25:07*gevaerts prefers 127.0.0.2 ;)
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23:25:42preglowwell, i can see how a config file would be useful here
23:26:09DerPapstpreglow: and the cool thing is you can add up to 10 different OSes and their crap
23:26:19DerPapstwithout chaning the source
23:27:00preglowDerPapst: well, update the tracker entry and i'll try it out when i'm back in linux
23:27:06DerPapsti even tried to add the files you complained about earlier today :-P
23:27:13DerPapstmkay.
23:27:49bluebrothergevaerts: how about ::1?
23:27:50preglowDerPapst: i don't know how much i like all entries implicitely ending in a wildcard, though
23:28:28gevaertsbluebrother: disabled here because of historical reasons (buggy software). I didn't bother reeabling it again
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23:31:22DerPapstpreglow: me neither.... i've just synced it and added the 3 linux files. I can look into it and maybe add * as wildcard.
23:32:47LeperkawnWhat is the status on the gigabeat s's battery? Is it the same type as the fxx?
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23:33:00Leperkawner, this isn't -community. My bad
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