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| 00:52:19 | alienbiker99 | im still getting the FPA instruction errors when building for the S. do i need that multi lib patch? |
| 00:52:40 | DerPapst | yes |
| 00:52:47 | alienbiker99 | how do i get that |
| 00:52:50 | DerPapst | but rockbox.dev should have installed it |
| 00:53:03 | DerPapst | *rockboxdev.sh |
| 00:53:08 | alienbiker99 | i only installed the arm stuff |
| 00:53:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | Can someone take a look at FS #8924 for me? It's an extra bit of info for the manual regarding my recently commited disktidy patch. |
| 00:54:18 | alienbiker99 | oh wait i forgot to reconfigure, maybe thats it |
| 00:54:20 | * | LambdaCalculus37 will be working on some more functionality for disktidy later |
| 00:55:30 | DerPapst | LambdaCalculus37: i still think FS #8637 does that better. |
| 00:55:44 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thanks preglow for the commit :) |
| 00:55:52 | alienbiker99 | hmmmm that didnt work |
| 00:55:56 | DerPapst | It does the same like the one in SVN and is configureable |
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| 00:56:02 | DerPapst | meh |
| 00:56:49 | gevaerts | alienbiker99: is your PATH correct ? |
| 00:57:13 | alienbiker99 | erggg i don't know, how do i edit it? |
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| 00:57:49 | gevaerts | cygwin ? |
| 00:58:14 | alienbiker99 | yes |
| 00:58:30 | * | gevaerts looks around for people who are familiar with that |
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| 00:58:53 | DerPapst | export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH |
| 00:58:54 | gevaerts | you can run "echo $PATH" to see what it's currently set to |
| 00:59:12 | alienbiker99 | ok thanks |
| 00:59:22 | DerPapst | did you remove the old one before? |
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| 00:59:33 | DerPapst | not sure if it's needed though |
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| 01:00:25 | alienbiker99 | i have 2 of the arm-elf/bin in my path |
| 01:00:32 | alienbiker99 | set to the same palce |
| 01:00:56 | alienbiker99 | palce/place |
| 01:01:02 | soap | gevaerts, where can I learn more about the "Charging from USB is not fully implemented on most players" |
| 01:01:08 | DerPapst | so did the new one overwrite the old one? |
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| 01:01:49 | soap | I'm mostly curious why charging (seems to) work on my 5th gen w/o the full stack enabled, curious how it is different with the full stack enabled. |
| 01:02:01 | gevaerts | soap: if I knew, the link would be there ;). I know next to nothing about charging control |
| 01:02:09 | alienbiker99 | DerPapst what do you mean? |
| 01:02:20 | gevaerts | Does it work reasonably fast on the 5th gen ? |
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| 01:02:56 | soap | eh - it (seems to) work. Speed? I can't speak to as I don't have it plugged in while in Rockbox when charging time is an issue. |
| 01:03:17 | soap | do you expect the charging behavior to be different than w/o enabling the full stack? |
| 01:03:33 | soap | that's question #1. Question |
| 01:03:33 | DerPapst | alienbiker99: iirc rockboxdev.sh runs "make install" in where it build the arm toolchainand i don't know if that overwrites the old one or not. |
| 01:03:38 | gevaerts | The only difference is that when you are using mass storage, the cpu is boosted |
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| 01:04:08 | OtherLlor | soap: My Nano seems to have charged just fine with the two defines (having usb, and using high speed) |
| 01:04:21 | gevaerts | So if you have an old bad battery, it could charge slowly without mass storage, and discharge slowly with |
| 01:04:47 | soap | Is there a reason to believe we (as Rockboxers) are bypassing some magic charging circuit and possibly causing harm to the battery? |
| 01:05:01 | gevaerts | I don't know |
| 01:05:26 | OtherLlor | soap: I would assume it's more like the e200, where we're going through the circuit, but we're not telling it to make full use of the current we're making available to it. |
| 01:05:56 | soap | I was going to say, I don't do it often, but I've done it enough times I would have expected to see a dead battery if I was going to ever see one. |
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| 01:06:41 | gevaerts | This is actually why I dislike charging over usb ;) People start asking me questions about charging just because I know about usb |
| 01:07:10 | soap | Sounds like it is time for me to start building with the stack on. |
| 01:07:23 | pixelma | that reminds me that the Rockbox info screen tells a wrong voltage when in USB charging mode on the c200s (as far as I know the same on the e200s), guess it only gets a wrong number somewhere, still makes me distrust it |
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| 01:08:09 | pixelma | in SVN though, haven't tried with the USB stack enabled |
| 01:08:57 | gevaerts | That specific "feature" won't change by enabling USB |
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| 01:19:30 | * | preglow wonders how hard it'll be to port usb to d2 |
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| 01:28:37 | petur | hmmm how many BUTTON_SCROLL_UP messages must one send to get a list scrolling one item? |
| 01:28:59 | saratoga | soap: charging over USB doesn't actually involve the USB on most targets |
| 01:29:21 | saratoga | theres generally just a voltage regulator hooked up to the USB +/- lines |
| 01:29:46 | saratoga | that will happily draw as much power as you tell it to, regardless of the status of the USB stack |
| 01:30:12 | saratoga | technically you're not supposed to draw more then 100ma without telling the USB host that you're taking that power |
| 01:30:19 | saratoga | (err current) |
| 01:30:35 | saratoga | in practice, I don't think it actually matters |
| 01:31:09 | * | gevaerts is a spec pedant and does think it matters ;) |
| 01:31:18 | saratoga | at least on the e200, the OF will draw power before its even enabled the USB hardware, and that seems to work on pretty much any hardware, although technically its not allowed by the spec |
| 01:31:53 | saratoga | so for now i don't believe we enable charging on any of the software USB devices because we do not have the USB in place |
| 01:32:06 | saratoga | although it works fine . . . |
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| 01:34:26 | soap | that makes sense, thank you as well, saratoga. |
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| 01:37:24 | saratoga | i favor enabled charging on the Sansa's since the OF ignores the USB spec anyway, i figure we're not losing anything |
| 01:37:36 | saratoga | but it sounds like we'll have USB shortly, so i guess it doesn't matter |
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| 01:38:54 | amiconn | I don't think that we don't enable (full power) charging because we don't have usb in place, but rather we don't know what to enable yet |
| 01:39:16 | amiconn | Another problem is the power management code structure |
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| 01:40:19 | amiconn | Afaik the only targets which charge properly (but not always with proper indication) are those with pure hw controlled charging, plus the the archos recorder |
| 01:41:09 | amiconn | X5 and M5 and all PP502x targets I know of only charge slowly in rockbox. M3 doesn't charge at all in rockbox atm |
| 01:42:39 | soap | This is a bit off the Rockbox trail, but is there any reason to believe lithium batteries suffer from a slow charge? (I'm not aware of any) |
| 01:43:08 | soap | I guess the real question is - Are LiIon batteries charged fast because "they can" or because "they should"? |
| 01:45:01 | Llorean | soap: I think it depends on the conditions. Could a slow charge, in theory, leave the battery hot for a longer time? |
| 01:45:41 | amiconn | I would think that slower charging actually extends battery life |
| 01:45:58 | amiconn | SLower charging == lower temperature |
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| 01:49:02 | amiconn | But slow charging is annoying... |
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| 01:57:24 | * | Llorean would like to see some numbers on temperatures reached, time spent at those temperatures, and approximate damage per minute in some form at given temperatures. :-P |
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| 02:12:50 | ZincAlloy | soap: my new theme should meet the requirements for your seal of approval |
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| 02:23:09 | * | XavierGr just booted Rockbox on his Gigabeast. Bows to jhMikeS and gevaerts with respect :) |
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| 02:23:35 | XavierGr | Also USB transfers worked like a charm on my hub, though I guess that this problem persists with ipods? |
| 02:25:42 | XavierGr | Also I was quite impressed the an H300 build took me 1 minute and 35 seconds to make, in Cygwin! :D Quad core must be really worth for Rockbox coding. |
| 02:25:55 | XavierGr | I wonder though why on vmware it was much slower |
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| 02:32:02 | amiconn | XavierGr: A single VMware vm won't use all cores of course. |
| 02:32:32 | XavierGr | amiconn: ah too bad, then I will have to stick entirely to cygwin from now on. |
| 02:32:56 | amiconn | If you use vmware server, you can assign 1 or 2 virtual CPUs |
| 02:33:16 | XavierGr | amiconn: so VMware won't use all cores even if I start a new image from scratch? |
| 02:33:22 | XavierGr | hmm I might look on it then |
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| 02:35:36 | amiconn | The way how virtualization works, one virtual core can never use more than one physical core for real mode code (== application code). And vmware only supports virtual smp with up to 2 cores (and you need to configure that explicitily, and the guest os needs to support smp) |
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| 02:37:07 | XavierGr | amiconn: so in the end I cannot use all of the cores whatever I do or what I use (by virtualization of course)? |
| 02:37:40 | amiconn | You can, but only if you run several VMs at once |
| 02:37:58 | XavierGr | amiconn: well that won't help in our case |
| 02:38:23 | amiconn | It would if you want to build for more than one target ;) |
| 02:39:04 | XavierGr | amiconn: ah yes completely missed that scenario :) |
| 02:39:14 | XavierGr | you would want to vmware images though |
| 02:39:22 | XavierGr | twice the pain to keep the updated and in sync |
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| 02:44:22 | XavierGr | amiconn: yep you are quite on spot on that, building on vmware never utilizes more than 50% of my cpu usage |
| 02:44:33 | XavierGr | (with 2 virtual cpus) |
| 02:44:57 | * | DerPapst jealous |
| 02:45:43 | Llorean | DistCC? :-P |
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| 02:47:19 | XavierGr | hmm now I think that vmware + ccache + 2 virtual cpus is still faster than cygwin :\ let me test again |
| 02:49:51 | XavierGr | wow 28 seconds for full h300 build with ccache on vmware |
| 02:50:00 | XavierGr | how can I delete the ccache again? |
| 02:50:18 | JdGordon|uni | 28s! |
| 02:50:32 | XavierGr | yeah it seems low but that's what I get |
| 02:50:38 | * | DerPapst even more jealous |
| 02:50:52 | DerPapst | not like 10 minutes! |
| 02:51:18 | XavierGr | I upgraded last week on a Pentium Quad Core Q9300 and it really makes a difference for rockbox usage |
| 02:51:44 | XavierGr | I will try with cleared ccache |
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| 02:55:34 | XavierGr | bah ccache -C corrupted the vmware filesystem |
| 02:56:27 | * | JdGordon|uni 's comp is refusing to find m68k-gcc :( |
| 02:56:40 | * | DerPapst puts quad core on whishlist |
| 02:56:48 | DerPapst | *wishlist even |
| 02:57:36 | JdGordon|uni | .bashrc wasnt run after logging in from ssh? |
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| 02:59:02 | JdGordon|uni | 28s with ccache... 90s without for h300 on my box.. seems i need to upgrade my quaddie :D |
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| 02:59:11 | XavierGr | gah! I don't believe it my vmware image just died on my hands! :( |
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| 03:00:33 | DerPapst | wow... |
| 03:00:48 | XavierGr | JdGordon|uni: well I didn't manage to test without ccache I will tell you my results if I manage to restore it |
| 03:04:05 | alienbiker99 | man ive been having problems all day. what do i do when tar: this does not look like a tar archive |
| 03:04:05 | XavierGr | JdGordon|uni: also keep in mind that, these results were on a vmwre image with half the power of my cpu (since it used only 2 cores) and of course I hope I didn't do anything silly that shortened the building time. :) |
| 03:04:45 | JdGordon|uni | whats the q9300 clocked at? |
| 03:05:30 | XavierGr | stock is 2.5 Ghz and I overclocked it at 3Ghz |
| 03:05:58 | XavierGr | but it's rather cool even at 3Ghz only 45-50celsius |
| 03:06:39 | XavierGr | 1 minute and 15 seconds without ccache |
| 03:06:51 | XavierGr | damn it it is still faster than cygwin :\ |
| 03:07:57 | * | DerPapst thinks this is something to be happy about |
| 03:08:05 | XavierGr | yeah I didn't do anything stupid, now with ccache on the same built I got 32 seconds |
| 03:08:34 | XavierGr | DerPapst: well I wanted to give a rest to vmware and start using cygwin again because it is more comfortable for windows |
| 03:08:48 | DerPapst | ah. |
| 03:09:00 | Llorean | XavierGr: Is "1 minute 35 seconds" too long for you to wait? |
| 03:09:03 | DerPapst | i wanted to give colinux a go-- |
| 03:09:04 | Llorean | You seemed happy about it before... |
| 03:09:18 | XavierGr | I guess the real solution is to convert to Linux, but I am too used to windows to do that... |
| 03:09:33 | XavierGr | Llorean: you are right I should be very happy with that |
| 03:09:44 | JdGordon|uni | DerPapst: apparently andLinux is the updated colinux or something |
| 03:11:33 | XavierGr | Llorean: in fact, I am happy, but you know, human vanity is bad.... |
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| 03:13:29 | soap | what is the svn command to get a list of all files I have modified? |
| 03:13:56 | DerPapst | preglow: got wildcard implemented but somehow this version of disktidy doesn't remove dirs ;-) |
| 03:14:04 | DerPapst | svn diff |
| 03:14:24 | DerPapst | svn diff > bla.huge.diff preferably |
| 03:14:56 | Llorean | svn st |
| 03:15:00 | Llorean | Just for the list of files |
| 03:15:12 | DerPapst | ah... |
| 03:15:13 | soap | that's it. |
| 03:15:15 | * | DerPapst misread |
| 03:15:22 | soap | ahh "status" |
| 03:15:25 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 03:16:06 | * | Llorean always wonders why "status" doesn't include what revision you're at. |
| 03:19:09 | DerPapst | sounds like a feature request *cough* :-P |
| 03:20:08 | soap | do you use the USB stack, Llorean? I guess a better question is "do you use a PP device daily?" |
| 03:20:13 | Llorean | Y'know, I've considered that, and decided it seems like such an obvious concept that either there's already one, or I'll search, not find one, make it, THEN be told there's already one that I daftly missed. |
| 03:20:24 | Llorean | soap: Yes, no. |
| 03:20:33 | Llorean | I've made a little use of it on my Nano, but I don't use it daily. |
| 03:20:34 | JdGordon|uni | grrr... stupid e200 didnt charge last night while it was plugged in :( |
| 03:20:52 | Llorean | JdGordon|uni: Sounds like a good reason for you to look over and play with the charging patch. |
| 03:21:24 | * | JdGordon|uni was under the impression charging did work, even if it was slowly :p |
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| 03:21:53 | Llorean | JdGordon|uni: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8363?histring=e200 |
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| 03:22:12 | Llorean | The charge control circuit's default current is apparently set way too low. |
| 03:22:42 | XavierGr | Llorean: which target do you use mostly, just curious |
| 03:23:38 | Llorean | XavierGr: Gigabeat F at the moment. It really depends on what I'm spending more time doing in my spare time though. Walking/jogging/exercising means I use my Nano a lot more. I was using my c200 but its headphone jack came loose again and I've yet to fix it. |
| 03:23:53 | * | Llorean does like the radio for when he wants to hear something new. |
| 03:25:13 | Llorean | I wasn't using the USB stack with the Sansa though, because last I heard the disk corruption issue on them had not yet been resolved. |
| 03:25:47 | XavierGr | the only thing that I resent on the F is its boot time, other than that it is a great target if you are not in recording or radio |
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| 03:26:54 | Llorean | Agreed the boot time is slightly annoying, but it's not like I shutdown and reboot constantly. |
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| 03:29:27 | kkurbjun | XavierGr: soon the boot time won't be much :P |
| 03:29:34 | kkurbjun | <hopefully> |
| 03:29:51 | * | JdGordon|uni whispers mr500 to kkurbjun :p |
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| 03:29:59 | kkurbjun | It's fast for me and I can boot with main build in flash |
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| 03:30:05 | kkurbjun | :), I need to work on that too |
| 03:30:15 | kkurbjun | I want to get flash booting working for the mr500 next |
| 03:30:28 | kkurbjun | hopefully it will be faster after this learning experience |
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| 03:36:30 | saratoga | amiconn: we can enable charging on the sansas |
| 03:36:52 | saratoga | we have the datasheet, and we have a register dump from the OF, so we know exactly how it works |
| 03:37:07 | * | Llorean thinks this should be done, then. :-P |
| 03:37:41 | saratoga | soap: regarding lipoly life, they last much longer if you slow charge them, and also if you don't fully charge them |
| 03:38:02 | saratoga | its something like 100 cycles at current x, 500 cycles at current y, etc |
| 03:38:41 | Llorean | So should we have an option in Rockbox as to whether it charges quickly or slowly on targets where this is possible? |
| 03:38:58 | saratoga | Llorean: we could, but i was just going to set it low by default |
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| 03:39:06 | saratoga | it actually doesn't make a huge difference in charge time |
| 03:39:13 | Llorean | saratoga: Sometimes you need your player charged as much as possible 15 minutes from now, though. |
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| 03:39:44 | Llorean | Though I suppose it really does just kinda depend on how big a difference it makes. |
| 03:39:54 | soap | I swear they don't make them like they used to. I have a LiIon battery in my P-133 laptop which still holds a decent charge. 13 years old. |
| 03:39:57 | saratoga | if you don't need a full charge, it doesn't make a huge difference, lipoly batteries charge sort of logirthmically, so its always very fast for the first 60% (or so) and very slow for the remainder |
| 03:40:12 | Llorean | Gotcha |
| 03:40:21 | saratoga | soap: thats probably not a lipoly battery, i don't think they made them back then |
| 03:40:36 | saratoga | probably a metal hydride or whatever they were called |
| 03:40:37 | soap | ion, not poly (FWIW) |
| 03:40:40 | soap | no, lithium |
| 03:41:45 | saratoga | anyway, the OF charges way faster then I would feel comfortable with otherwise, so i think rebooting into it is a good option if you must charge as much as possible in 30 minutes or whatever |
| 03:43:02 | soap | (just ran down and checked) |
| 03:45:01 | Llorean | saratoga: Maybe to drive up those replaceable battery sales. ;) |
| 03:45:03 | XavierGr | kkurbjun: cheers, I am looking forward to see that in the future! :) |
| 03:45:13 | Llorean | But, as long as we charge slower than the OF, people are going to file bug reports on it from time to time. |
| 03:45:23 | Llorean | So an option to charge as fast as the OF (disabled by default) might be a good idea. |
| 03:49:14 | * | JdGordon|uni agrees |
| 03:50:17 | Llorean | Maybe name the two options "Optimal" and "Abusive" (or in seriousness, "Quick Charge") so people recognize that the slower one is meant to be "better" in some way |
| 03:50:59 | JdGordon|uni | standard and abusive... |
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| 03:54:56 | soap | shouldn't the way most (all?) original firmwares do it (fast) be called "standard" and the proposed slow way be called "gentle"? |
| 03:56:07 | soap | in that the "point of reference" for most people is going to be the original firmware - ie the word "standard" will be judged against such a point of reference. |
| 03:56:18 | * | Llorean intentionally avoided "standard" for that reason. |
| 03:56:47 | Llorean | I'm also not sure "Quick Charge" should mirror the OF in every case, sometimes for all we know they could be closer to our choice for Gentle. |
| 03:57:18 | Llorean | I'd rather we just pick a Fast and Slow value of our own, but never make the Faster one slower than the OF (or the slow one faster than the OF if there's an incredibly slow OF out there) |
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| 04:07:32 | saratoga | has there been any indication that the USB stack might be good to go soon for the PP targets? |
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| 04:07:48 | saratoga | it sounds like a lot of progress is being made, but i'm not clear on how much work remains |
| 04:08:17 | OtherLlor | I think the final test is amiconn's hub |
| 04:08:26 | OtherLlor | I haven't heard whether the latest discoveries work there or not |
| 04:09:34 | Gartral | i havent had any luck... but anyway... why are downloads for m1.0.5 of RBUtil down? |
| 04:09:38 | * | Llorean does not understand the install instructions for the d2 port. |
| 04:09:42 | saratoga | wasn't his hub issue specific to the Mini 2G though? |
| 04:10:09 | Llorean | Gartral: I can download it... |
| 04:10:17 | Llorean | saratoga: Dunno. |
| 04:10:55 | Gartral | only the mac one seems too work... and i dont have a mac comp |
| 04:11:02 | Llorean | I just downloaded the windows one. |
| 04:11:22 | * | Llorean downloads the linux one too. |
| 04:11:28 | Gartral | i click the windows link and it gives me a 404 |
| 04:11:44 | Llorean | It may mean that you're getting redirected to a download server it hasn't propagated to. |
| 04:12:20 | Gartral | http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/win32/rbutilqt-v1.0.5.zip <- this is the link i get from clicking the download |
| 04:12:42 | Llorean | yes, and that link downloads a file for me. |
| 04:13:04 | Gartral | but it says 404 for me |
| 04:13:25 | Llorean | And I told you why. it may be trying to download from a server that doesn't yet have the file |
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| 04:16:32 | Gartral | geolocation shows the download server is the same as the site's host |
| 04:17:24 | Llorean | download.rockbox.org is. It redirects you to one of several donated servers for the actual download. |
| 04:17:59 | Gartral | wich my geoloc sould follow... it gives the end server, not entry server |
| 04:18:12 | Llorean | Do you honestly think I'm lying to you when i say "It downloads fine for me"? |
| 04:18:27 | DerPapst | preglow: FS #8637 now uses explicit wildcards. Tested and working fine :-) |
| 04:18:41 | Gartral | no... i belive you.... im just wondering why its not for me... |
| 04:19:04 | Llorean | Maybe for the very reason I claimed. "Should" and "Does" follow are two different things. |
| 04:19:22 | * | DerPapst suggests to check out FS #8637 to anyone :-) |
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| 04:20:10 | soap | hmm, with the Rockbox USB stack (High-speed) the drive icon isn't showing, but the disk continues to spin. |
| 04:21:09 | saratoga | hmm the Zen port is looking good, but the players have become surprisingly expensive |
| 04:22:07 | Llorean | saratoga: Gigabeast.... Gigabeast... |
| 04:22:19 | DerPapst | as usual when rockbox support is near :-.P |
| 04:23:22 | saratoga | Llorean: yeah i ordered one, but the guy shipped it in a paper envelope and the screen is destroyed |
| 04:23:35 | saratoga | and i'm still fighting with paypal for a refund |
| 04:23:47 | saratoga | so i'm a little sour on that for now |
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| 04:23:56 | Llorean | Ouch |
| 04:24:13 | saratoga | besides teh TMS320 is such an interesting chip, what with its free(!) DSP compiler |
| 04:24:13 | Gartral | paypricks? yes... there EVIL EVAL! |
| 04:24:26 | Llorean | Gartral: Off topic for this channel |
| 04:24:56 | saratoga | the gigabeast is probably faster then the DSP on the TI chip though definately less fun |
| 04:26:30 | Gartral | anyway... back too the DL links not working... what can i do about this/ |
| 04:26:33 | Gartral | ? |
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| 04:27:32 | saratoga | google says this: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/?C=S;O=A |
| 04:27:39 | saratoga | no idea who thats from though |
| 04:27:56 | Llorean | Gartral: Wait 30 minutes and try again? |
| 04:28:54 | saratoga | or hell just use the manual install its only marginally more difficult on most targets |
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| 04:37:11 | Gartral | i dont care about that... i like bug hunting |
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| 04:45:38 | zeroth__ | Hello guys. I was wondering if someone could give me write access to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreativeZEN ? I actually have the unit myself, and am quite capable of doing the work needed(hopefully) to get rockbox working. |
| 04:45:51 | zeroth__ | The TWiki name is TylerLaing |
| 04:46:37 | | Part Gartral |
| 04:57:04 | zeroth__ | hello? |
| 04:57:12 | kkurbjun | zeroth__: I don't think anyone is around that can help you with that at the moment - 3 or 4 hours earlier and someone will usually be around that has those privileges |
| 04:57:27 | zeroth__ | ah, well, gee, I was at work. Thanks kkurbjun |
| 04:57:45 | kkurbjun | or sometime later, I'm not sure what the exact time is in Europe right now |
| 04:57:46 | scorche | kkurbjun: you cant? |
| 04:58:04 | scorche | eh...i can...just a sec |
| 04:58:04 | kkurbjun | scorche, not that I know of |
| 04:58:15 | scorche | kkurbjun: you dont have write access? |
| 04:58:29 | kkurbjun | to the wiki? |
| 04:58:31 | kkurbjun | yeah |
| 04:58:37 | kkurbjun | so I can create accounts? |
| 04:58:39 | scorche | yes...anyone with write access can give it to another |
| 04:58:43 | kkurbjun | oh |
| 04:58:50 | kkurbjun | cool, that's good to know :-D |
| 04:58:51 | scorche | they create it...you juts give them write access |
| 04:59:01 | zeroth__ | lol, cool |
| 04:59:49 | scorche | kkurbjun: look at the page i just edited |
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| 05:00:12 | kkurbjun | oh, gotcha |
| 05:00:32 | zeroth__ | so, do I have write access now? |
| 05:00:39 | kkurbjun | I'll keep that in mind in the future |
| 05:00:48 | scorche | try it |
| 05:01:09 | zeroth__ | okay, cool |
| 05:01:30 | zeroth__ | Yay, thanks guys. :) |
| 05:02:00 | * | Llorean notices RButil's voice files seem to cut off the end of strings still. |
| 05:03:05 | zeroth__ | Anyone here familiar with the Zen Vision:M port project? |
| 05:03:46 | kkurbjun | I know a bit about the CPU/SOC through the mrobe 500 |
| 05:04:30 | zeroth__ | Hmm, I was hoping for someone familiar with how Creative encrypts their firmware. |
| 05:05:07 | kkurbjun | nope, I can't help there |
| 05:05:14 | zeroth__ | Oh well. Thanks anyways. |
| 05:05:19 | kkurbjun | let me see who's the person doing the port |
| 05:05:48 | zeroth__ | mculenare |
| 05:06:09 | kkurbjun | yep, just found that :) |
| 05:07:15 | zeroth__ | pretty impressive work considering how much Creative obscured the info needed. |
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