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#rockbox log for 2008-04-23

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00:00:32bluebrotherhmm, a graphical representation of those numbers would be nice.
00:00:44bluebrothercan twiki do such stuff automagically? I guess no ...
00:00:48w1ll14mi hate bad bit rates, i hate srs wow/trubass
00:00:57H10erso I have to chose the best codec to go with an eq? um.. I'll pass. I think I can live without an eq!
00:01:04w1ll14mthey are BAT
00:01:12w1ll14mi only use hw/sw eq
00:01:31ZincAlloygood headphones are better than any eq..
00:01:32H10eri hate bad bitrates too, but not srs wow
00:01:39w1ll14myou can do very much with rockbox of you combine them both
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00:02:19w1ll14mtrubass is nothing compared to what rockbox is capable of.. srs wow is just a type if wider stereo, which is also capale on most rockboxed players
00:02:25H10erwell, it would be hilarious to use huge professional headphones on a portable player. not good as far as bettery is concerned
00:02:31ZincAlloybut let's move this discussion to #rockbox-community
00:02:40w1ll14mi have sony mdr lp 90... not pro, but pretty nice
00:02:49H10erw11 14m - i don't disagree
00:02:56gevaertsH10er: I'm pretty sure that running the CPU at 100% for the eq is worse
00:03:28w1ll14mhmmm my ipod is running 100.8 MHz with a boost ratio of 30-40%
00:03:31H10ersure, that's why I'll just skip the eq part!
00:03:42ZincAlloygood headphones don't need to be huge and power hungry. for mobile use I really love my Koss Porta Pros
00:03:47w1ll14mwith heavy eq settings
00:03:50stripwaxw1ll14m - 100.8MHz ? I thought the max clock was 80MHz
00:03:59stripwax(maybe that's just 5g?)
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00:04:00w1ll14mi have a lucky chip
00:04:13w1ll14mit is 80 MHz according to specs...
00:04:28stripwaxw1ll14m - custom build?
00:04:30w1ll14mmy other 5g runs at max 96 MHz
00:04:35w1ll14mstripwax, yes
00:04:36stripwaxor is rockbox just misreporting
00:04:39stripwaxah. neato
00:04:55H10erreally? can you get the same results out of 'ear plugs' that you can out of the large ones (don't remember what they are called...)?
00:04:56w1ll14msome simple recalculation in system-pp502x.c
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00:05:18stripwaxw1ll14m - well.. any chance you've dabbled with CPUFREQ_SLEEP too?
00:05:20w1ll14mH10er, i can create a inhuman amount of bass with these
00:05:27w1ll14mnope, still default
00:05:30w1ll14monly normal and boost
00:06:00H10eri'll check them out, i'm really interested
00:06:15ZincAlloyforget about standard plugs. in ears can be pretty nice. but the larger on-ear type can be really good at decent prices
00:06:31w1ll14mH10er, i like a huge amount of bass, so strong they have in some cars with very expensive subwoofers
00:06:40H10erbut are they not power hungry?
00:06:51w1ll14mH10er, not that i noticed
00:07:07w1ll14mi've blewn the original ipod earpieces ;)
00:07:11w1ll14mwith my settings
00:07:16w1ll14mlol
00:07:33w1ll14mthese can keep up, so they might take a *little* more power
00:07:44w1ll14mbut i don't think it's much of a difference
00:08:33H10erwhat ipod do you use?
00:08:46w1ll14mipod video 30/60 (i have 2)
00:09:00w1ll14mand gigabeat s, it is still in development
00:09:55w1ll14manyways... i've got 6 hours of sleep left... so i'm off
00:10:06w1ll14mgnight all
00:10:15H10erbye!
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00:10:18w1ll14m|awcya
00:11:37w1ll14m|awsome ****tard here did the laundry right now.... makes sleeping difficould
00:12:02w1ll14m|awthus some washing machine will be busy for another hour or so....
00:12:04 Quit Eren (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:12:10w1ll14m|awanyways bye :)
00:12:10H10ertry some high bitrate music. it helps!
00:12:34w1ll14m|awi have a damaged cable on my earpices by sleeping with them
00:12:44w1ll14m|awand they cost 100 Euro's here
00:12:50w1ll14m|awso i won't do that again ;)
00:12:57H10erouch!
00:13:06w1ll14m|awindeed
00:13:22w1ll14m|awbut they still work somehow
00:13:35H10erthat's why I use plugs for bed. 8 euros sony ones, sound just fine
00:13:37w1ll14m|awstill i need to fix the cable, or get some new ones soon....
00:13:45w1ll14m|awthen my ears hurt
00:13:59w1ll14m|awbecause of the quality and they are irritating my ears
00:14:10w1ll14m|awso no solution ;)
00:14:17H10eruse speakers!
00:14:19w1ll14m|awi have a laptop on all night with some music...
00:14:36w1ll14m|awbut the washing machine is right next to my bedroom door
00:14:42H10erdam!
00:14:46w1ll14m|awindeed... sucks
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00:15:03H10ermaybe you could use some real ear plugs!
00:15:15w1ll14m|awreal earplugs... i hate these
00:15:25w1ll14m|awi won't wake up with them
00:15:32H10erwaxy blobs.... disgusting!
00:15:44stripwaxInteresting. Building with thumb instructions seems to break the build horribly
00:15:51w1ll14m|awi'm having a hardtime to get to sleep, even harder to wake up... the reason for music while sleeping
00:16:04*homielowe points to -community
00:16:07stripwaxDoesn't get past the apple logo.. and the logo is corrupted..
00:16:12w1ll14m|aw:|
00:16:19w1ll14m|awyou're screwed
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00:16:49*w1ll14m|aw closes his eyes now..... and .....
00:16:58H10eri'm sorry to butt in, but what are thumb instructions?
00:17:53stripwaxH10er - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6734?histring=thumb
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00:18:35H10eroook!
00:20:12H10erdoes anyone kow if i can successfully replace my player's 20gb drive with a 60gb one?
00:21:49stripwaxH10er - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement
00:22:14stripwaxalways check the wiki! :)
00:23:31stripwaxlooks like you'd need a 5mm zif40 replacement, think they're getting tricky to come by and probably don't go up to 60gb
00:24:08stripwaxoh, very same page mentions mk8022gaa 80gb drive
00:24:47H10erwow, thanks! but will rockbox boot from any of those drives?
00:25:04stripwaxdon't see why not
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00:25:47linuxstbstripwax: What are you trying to do? Build all of Rockbox in thumb mode?
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00:26:14stripwaxthought i'd see what happens..
00:26:19H10ereven off the 100gb one? i read on a forum it has been tried, and it doesn't boot from larger than 40gb
00:26:42linuxstbstripwax: You need to switch the CPU to thumb mode.
00:27:02stripwaxoh, that patch doesn't do that? heh
00:27:06H10ersomething to do with FAT32 only able to handle up to 32gb
00:27:15linuxstbWhat patch?
00:27:26stripwaxlinuxstb - huh? the one I linked above
00:27:44stripwaxH10er - errr.. .my ipod 60gb is fat32
00:27:49linuxstbstripwax: Sorry, I didn't read that far...
00:27:58stripwaxlinuxstb : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6734
00:28:18BigBambiH10er: Windows XP and up refuse to format larger than 30 GB as FAT32, but that is a stupid windows thing
00:28:35BigBambiFAT32 goes MUCH bigger
00:28:39linuxstbstripwax: I guess it's just out of sync...
00:29:25H10erwell, I have windows xp, so i guess it's out of the question. Unless you can do it with Ubuntu
00:29:46BigBambiH10er: Or other windows utilities like fat32format or swissknife...
00:29:49bluebrotheryou can.
00:29:54BigBambiAnyway, this is of topic
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00:30:38H10erright
00:30:47H10erthanks thoug
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00:31:10stripwaxipod 5g OF seems to be able to fill its buffer, from a clean reboot, in about four seconds, in about five quick bursts. seems fast / rockbox seems slow
00:31:34stripwaxlinuxstb - guess so, although not clear which bits
00:31:40bluebrotherhmm, what's the deal with the H10EMP.mi4 file on some h10?
00:31:41linuxstbHow do you know it fills the buffer?
00:32:38stripwaxlinuxstb - weeeellll.. I don't. but I have the player up to my ear and I haven't heard it spin up yet. about fifteen mins and counting
00:33:17stripwax^spin up^spin up again
00:33:34pixelmabluebrother: what deal?
00:33:52bluebrotherpixelma: the h10 bootloader installation checks for h10.mi4 and h10emp.mi4.
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00:34:14bluebrotherbut I have no idea why it is that way -- and what's the difference between the two files
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00:34:54pixelmabluebrother: IIRC there are some so-called "pure" models which are a bit different, I believe it's explained in the manual bootloader installation instructions in the manual (and in the wiki)
00:35:08pixelmaonly 5/6GB ones, I think
00:35:17bluebrotherok, will check that.
00:36:05*pixelma digs out her old started installation instructions info collection (for an overhaul) :\
00:40:02bluebrotherhmm, it's indeed the pure models.
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01:15:00LeperkawnDoes the 5g use a ZIF-40 connection for the hdd?
01:15:11Leperkawn(iPod)
01:17:50DerPapstyes
01:17:53GBeatHey, I checked the MpegPlayer wiki first, but is there a reason why my video's audio doesn't match up with audio on the gigabeat f40 when it is in sync on the computer?
01:20:20GBeatI am using the current build, and all of these movies were working until I updated my build from a build several months old today
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01:24:01GBeatFixed, needed to turn on limit frames
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01:26:24midgeyBagder: around?
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01:28:52DerPapstmidgey: 1:30am i doubt it :-P
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02:41:04Pysthey guys. i need a little help. i'm trying to be a first time rockbox user. ive got a sansa c250 but it's not being assigned a drive letter when it's connected. any ideas ?
02:41:56pixelmaPyst: can you look up the exact version of the sansa firmware?
02:42:07Pystyeah one sec
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02:42:33Pyst01.01.00P
02:43:15pixelmaok, then you should have a "USB" setting in the Settings menu, set that to MSC and you'll get a drive letter
02:43:20Pystits showing up in explorer but its not assigned a letter
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02:44:26Pystahh fantastic
02:44:39Pystthx pixelma much appreciated
02:44:43Pyst:)
02:44:49Pysthave a good one
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02:46:42LambdaCalculus37Damn, my Gigabeat S is still not responding.
02:49:54alienbiker99=(. no charging screen still?
02:50:14LambdaCalculus37Nothing.
02:51:20LambdaCalculus37Have you had this sort of situation happen to you with yours, alienbiker99?
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02:53:37alienbiker99i think it happend once. i kept switching the battery switch on and off and kept trying the charger when the battery was set on.
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02:55:16LambdaCalculus37How long did it take for your Gigabeat to snap back onto this plane of existence?
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02:56:31alienbiker99it was less than 5 minutes
02:57:55*LambdaCalculus37 keeps trying
02:59:14LambdaCalculus37Still not working.
02:59:31LambdaCalculus37I left it on the charger only until the battery was fully charged.
02:59:55LambdaCalculus37Unless this battery is finally giving out.
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03:00:15alienbiker99thats wierd that its not turning on with the charger though
03:01:09LambdaCalculus37I'm at a loss here. Either the battery is bad, in which case I have to replace it, or something else more severe is wrong with my Gigabeat.
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03:03:18ByronHello
03:03:33ByronDoes the Sansa support text-to-speech or spoken menus?
03:03:38Byronwith RockBox?
03:04:03Shaidyes
03:04:15Shaidyou need a VOICE file
03:04:39ByronOkay, I know about those.
03:05:15ByronI am buying one for my girlfriend, we are both blind and I had Rockbox on my Archos Studio 20 and Ondio and wanted to make sure the same speech features worked on the Sansa.
03:05:48ShaidIt does, yes.
03:06:13ByronThanks so much
03:06:16ByronI appreaciate it
03:06:39ByronI know I could have read the website and found out but her Birthday is the 2nd and I am shopping last minute.
03:06:58Byronso I figured I'd find out faster here.
03:07:25advcomp2019Byron, be careful that there is v2s out
03:07:45LambdaCalculus37Yes, so your best bet is to shop on eBay for a Sansa.
03:07:57ByronI wish there was a website that would compare prices for a product but only in retail stores... there are plenty of online price comparison sites
03:08:10Byronoh, there is a new sansa out there that won't work?
03:08:38LambdaCalculus37Byron: Yes. The hardware is completely different, and we haven't got a new port started for it yet.
03:09:01Byrondo they look the same on the outside
03:09:15advcomp2019yes they do look the same
03:09:15LambdaCalculus37They do. That's what is tricky about it.
03:09:21Byroncrap
03:09:39Byrondoes the box say if it's v2s?
03:09:48LambdaCalculus37The only way to know for sure is to ask someone to look for a "v2" on the bottom of the case, or read the firmware version number.
03:10:14Byronthe case meaning the machine itself or the box it comes in?
03:10:15LambdaCalculus37A v2 Sansa will have a version 03.XX.XX firmware; whereas a v1 will have a version 01.XX.XX firmware.
03:10:29LambdaCalculus37The Sansa itself.
03:10:34Byronokay
03:10:50advcomp2019the best way is with the firmware version tho
03:10:56LambdaCalculus37If you buy on eBay, ask the seller to read the firmware version for you.
03:11:01ByronI am going to have to buy it at a store as I'm doing this last minute and there's no telling if it'll ship here in time for my trip to Des Moines
03:11:17advcomp2019Byron, you in ds moines?
03:11:22Byronis there a reccomended store that would have older ones and how long as v2 been out?
03:11:22advcomp2019des*
03:11:23LambdaCalculus37All right. Good luck in landing a v1.
03:11:29ByronI'm in Chicago
03:11:44Byronbut my girlfriend is going to the Department of the Blind in Des Moines
03:12:20Byronand I'm taking MegaBus down there to visit her on the 2nd / 3rd
03:12:29advcomp2019Byron, i have a v1 and i live close enough to des moines tho
03:12:49ByronOh, really?
03:12:56LambdaCalculus37alienbiker99: Curious... do you leave your Gigabeat S on a charger overnight?
03:13:09alienbiker99yeah all the time
03:13:19LambdaCalculus37And it does it no harm?
03:13:36alienbiker99nothing that i notice
03:13:54ByronIf your willing to either ship it to Chicago within the next day or so, or are willing to bring it to the Greyhound on the 2nd I'd buy it from you, advcomp2019
03:14:06LambdaCalculus37Odd.
03:14:38LambdaCalculus37Guess I may try that.
03:14:48*LambdaCalculus37 crosses his fingers and hopes it works
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03:15:14ByronI'd be scared to try and get it on ebay because the seller might wait a week to ship it, sometimes Ebay purchases come 30 days after I won them.
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03:17:47advcomp2019Byron, yea.. by the way mine is an e280R if you wanted to know
03:18:11Byronwhat does that mean? I only just started researching this today.
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03:20:24advcomp2019mine is the 8gb e200 series basically
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03:24:38Byronah, that's great!
03:25:02Byronif you private me your info... paypal or whatever... we can work something out
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03:28:10BHXCan anyone help with an iPod 80 issue?
03:29:44advcomp2019Byron, you got my private message?
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03:44:47krazykitBHX, just ask your question
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04:01:38BHXis there any way to fix corrupt sectors on an iPod?
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04:22:45cool_walking_Not "fix", but mark them as bad so that they don't get written to: chkdsk on windows, or fsck.vfat on Linux.
04:30:04BHXare the commands for fsck the same as mkfs?
04:31:15cool_walking_ah what? those programs do different things
04:31:45cool_walking_fsck.vfat -at /dev/blah should do you
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04:32:24cool_walking_Make sure it's not mounted at the time, and you'll probably need to be root.
04:33:43BHXcool thanks
04:33:59BHXand that'll just mark the bad sectors as corrupt?
04:34:03cool_walking_yeah
04:34:14cool_walking_err actually it'll also try to fix filesystem issues
04:34:38cool_walking_just read the fsck.vfat manpage
04:38:31BHXthanks :)
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05:14:09PDF_FormatHello.
05:14:12PDF_Formatis anyone here?
05:14:41PDF_Formati just registered to the wiki, and it informs me that to get permission to edit the wiki i have to come to this channel and ask permission, so here i am, asking :)
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05:15:58PDF_Formati registered as DavidDineenPorter
05:16:01PDF_Formathmm.
05:16:16JdGordonhang on...
05:16:18PDF_Formati will patiently sit in channel, but whomever is in charge please drop me a PM if possible later
05:16:21PDF_Formatoh hi
05:17:14JdGordondone
05:17:55PDF_Formatfantastic
05:18:49PDF_FormatI'm going to update the NSF codec page. The NSF playback routine on rockbox doesn't support the extended sound channels of various MMC chips and famicom disk system, so i felt that shoul dbe included.
05:18:56PDF_Formatwould you object to that?
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05:23:34LloreanFactual, relevant information is always welcome. Please, check after you post it (or better yet, use the preview function) to make sure the formatting doesn't accidentally end up all weird.
05:23:48LloreanTWiki isn't everyone's bailiwick and sometimes you can end up with unexpected results. :)
05:28:59PDF_Formathttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecNSF
05:29:00PDF_Formathere is my edit
05:29:13PDF_Formatit looks good in my browser, but if there's a problem, let me know
05:30:14krazykitlooks fine here :)
05:30:25PDF_Formati aim to please, and i hope that someone from the NESDEV of 2a03 communities takes it upon themself to help provide complete NSF emulation for rockbox.. that would REALLY be a treat :)
05:30:27LloreanLooks fine.
05:30:59PDF_Formatas it is now, being able to play the american soundtracks is also great.. but some of those extended channel soundtracks are.. you kow.. my favourites :)
05:31:14PDF_Formathave a good night
05:31:19PDF_Formatif its night where youa re
05:31:25PDF_Formatand a good morning if its morning where you are
05:31:26PDF_FormatTTYL
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05:36:52webguesthello. anyone here using kugel build on e200?
05:37:17krazykitwebguest, that build is unsupported here.
05:37:36krazykitif you want support, you need to use the latest official build from the rockbox.org homepage.
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05:39:18Administrator_hello. anyone here using kugel build on e200?
05:39:42scorcheunsupported builds are...unsupported...
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05:40:44Guest55I realize they are unsupported...is it againt the rules to discuss them with other people using them though?
05:41:32LloreanThis channel is on-topic for the official version of Rockbox.
05:41:33LloreanSo yes.
05:41:48Guest55Is there a channel for unsupported builds?
05:41:50LloreanWe ask that you take any problems with other people's builds to the people who provide them for you.
05:43:02Guest55ok, can I ask this then...can I just delete the .rockbox folder and drop the official build back on?
05:43:15Guest55to revert back that is.
05:43:19LloreanYes
05:43:51Guest55are all patches for rockbox unsupported?
05:44:08LloreanYes. When something becomes supported, it gets included.
05:44:17LloreanSo it's no longer a patch at that point.
05:44:36Guest55I see, thanks.
05:44:37scorchealthough development talk of patches is allowed
05:45:19scorcheat the point of that build though, that is far beyond just "a patch"
05:45:48LloreanYes, if you're trying to work with the patch itself, or improve on it, or otherwise modify for yourself from the original official source, that's relevant. But we don't provide support for problems you have with the build after the compile. Patches should be tested individually, and problems with them taken up with the developer(s) interested/working on that one patch.
05:47:00Guest55And there is just one supported build, nothing like stable, testing, unstable?
05:47:22LloreanConsider the one supported build "unstable" :)
05:47:32LloreanThere is no current Stable / Release version
05:49:00Guest55Thanks
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06:05:19JdGordonfs#5407 was implemented already wasnt it? (battery status in usb mode)
06:07:27LloreanI *think* so
06:08:43*JdGordon found his h300
06:08:46JdGordonlooks like it has been
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06:20:58toffe82jhMikeS: ping
06:29:25Diabolic-Destinyhi?
06:30:23toffe82hi
06:30:44Diabolic-DestinyI got a little question,
06:31:03Diabolic-Destinymy database has multiple entires of the same song
06:31:20Diabolic-Destinyfor example Adams Apple - Blink 182 is listed like 5 times
06:32:19LloreanHave you checked their properties to make sure there's not more than one of the file? (Often in the recycle bin)
06:33:35Diabolic-Destinyhow do i do that?
06:34:26Diabolic-DestinyThere is also a lenghty list of songs which are <untagged> yet all my songs have a minium Track tag
06:34:35LloreanWhat did you use to tag them?
06:34:45LloreanAnd I believe properties is in the context menu.
06:35:34LloreanOh, apparently not in the database.
06:35:46Diabolic-DestinyI used MediaMonkey to tag
06:36:06LloreanIt looks like you'll have to insert all the duplicates into a playlist, then go to the playlist viewer. From there you can change it to show the full path, and see if the paths are identical
06:36:31LloreanDiabolic-Destiny: <untagged> will be for the category you're in. So if you're in Album, if they don't have an Album tag, they'll be under <untagged> there
06:37:22Diabolic-Destinyyes but the category im in is always Tracks hence my question, as for the duplicates when i go to G:\MUSIC\Blink-182\Enema of the State there is no duplicate song
06:37:49LloreanThat's not what I asked you to do, though
06:38:08LloreanThe duplicate could be in the hidden recycle bin, or elsewhere.
06:38:15Diabolic-Destinyi