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#rockbox log for 2008-04-26

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00:05:06LeperkawnDoes anyone have personal experience with the sound quality differences between the ipod's 3.5mm jack and it's line-out port?
00:05:58Leperkawnrephrase: If you do have that experience, is it worth getting an ipod line-out > 3.5 female adapter?
00:08:04scorche|shLeperkawn: well, you are going to need an external amp if you are going to use the line out...
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00:09:37LeperkawnIs it required?
00:10:26Hillshumwell if you want to be able to hear the music at any kind of decent volume
00:10:45LeperkawnWhat exactly causes it to get so power hungry?
00:10:59scorche|sheh?
00:11:08Hillshumsaywhat?
00:11:30scorche|shLeperkawn: might want to expand on those pronouns..
00:11:51LeperkawnSorry
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00:12:25LeperkawnI don't fully understand impedance and when amping is needed. What causes this setup to require an amp?
00:12:41LloreanThe fact that the volume is locked at line level, for one.
00:13:26scorche|shthis isnt quite a rockbox topic, but to make this bried, you need an amp so you can adjust the volume...the entire point of a line out is to bypass the internal amp for a cleaner signal (usually)
00:13:33scorche|shs/bried/brief
00:14:11Leperkawnscorche: Sorry, I didn't want to ask about this in -community
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00:53:00webguest68hello
00:53:13webguest68no one here huh
00:53:26webguest68ok well then byebye
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00:54:23DerPapst_heh too late :-P
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01:03:30ednosWhat is the likelihood of rockbox supporting Zune (ever)?
01:04:13gevaertspretty small I guess, but of course you never know
01:04:36Lloreanednos: Nobody's working on it, so odds are very, very, very slim.
01:04:39LeperkawnYou might want to check out (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6848.0)
01:05:09linuxstbednos: Rockbox is running (in a very basic way, not fully working yet) on the Gigabeat S, which is similar hardware to the Zune. The problem with the Zune is that no-one has cracked the firmware encryption/protection, so we can't run third-party code on it.
01:05:20ednoslinuxstb, ah thanks
01:05:37ednosSo if I learn cryptography and embedded devices tonight... I could solve the problem?
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01:06:38gevaertsIf you're a fast learner, and if you're lucky...
01:06:45ednosRight.
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01:08:14ednosWell, I'll get right on that. Thanks.
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01:52:50Music^Houndhow do you display album art ?
01:54:35stripwaxMusic^Hound - use a wps that supports it, and make sure the albumart follows the guidelines that are documented on the website. check the wiki documentation. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/albumart?topic=AlbumArt
01:55:40Music^Houndthanx stripwax
01:55:52Music^Houndjust found rockbox yesterday and loing it
01:55:57Music^Houndloving*
01:56:09stripwaxgreat
01:56:34Music^Houndanything is better then the boring ipod look
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01:57:44stripwaxof course, rockbox is more than just how it looks
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02:04:10Music^Houndrockbox is like linux... its all bout choice
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02:29:56Peregrinahi there, i keep geting io errors, is this common?
02:30:06Peregrina(gigabeat f40)
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02:32:19Peregrinathanks
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03:10:05nickwebcoukokhow on earth do you restart the ipod after the initial db scan? I cant find anything in the manual, and the select and menu combo dosent seem to workl :(
03:10:37DerPapstlong press play/pause to reboot the ipod in rockbox
03:11:21nickwebcoukokahh! cool! thanks! :D
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03:37:13nickwebcoukokwhat does everyone reccomend to manage thier rockbox under linux?
03:37:30DerPapst_cp
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03:49:42Hillshumwhats the best way to learn C?
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03:54:06Hillshumanyone?
03:54:23zeHillshum: wikibooks maybe, read source code, write some
03:54:41zeHillshum: i started by fixing compilation issues
03:54:42zeheh
03:55:23Hillshumhmm... i started reading C++ for Dummies don't remember much tho
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03:58:17Hillshumhow close is C++ to C?
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04:04:12zedepends
04:04:41zeits basically C with some extensions and OOP
04:05:02HillshumOOP?
04:05:04zebut the similarity in actual code can be anywhere from marginal to profound
04:05:20zeobject-oriented programming... the main point of C++
04:10:22Hillshumall the links at svn.rockbox.org are too white to read
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04:32:09nickwebcoukokif an ipod 5.5 completley freezes, and long play does nothing (even flicking the hold button does nothing to the screen) - how to i reset it?
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04:37:50aliasknickwebcoukok: Hold menu and select for ~15 seconds
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05:29:00TaylorKillianHey guys
05:29:53Hillshumboo!
05:31:43Hillshumits been idle lattely
05:33:44TaylorKillianI see
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05:45:11TheBasharSometime over the last month of periodically updating my sansa c200, it lost hw detection of the fm radio. I don't remember seeing commits related to the radio. Any idea when the change might have happened?
05:47:43TheBasharOops, meant to post the question on the dev channel.
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06:01:34TheWardenHi. I have an iPod 80g (new) which is I believe a 5.5 generation as it was bought just about a month before the iPod Classic came out. Is it possible to use RockBox?
06:01:48Hillshumyep
06:02:16Hillshumhttp://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo64mb/rockbox.zip
06:02:20TheWardenand can I do rockbox without it affecting what I have on it now?
06:02:26Hillshumyup
06:02:34TheWardenno way... really... oh hot damn
06:03:22TheWardenso I use the iPod Video on you are say? Anything I need to know ?
06:03:54Hillshumthe hold swich changes the firmware from apple trash to RB
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06:04:39Hillshumthis is the manual http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html
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06:05:01Hillshuminstall: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002
06:06:50TheWardenokay ty, I suppose I should in theory make a backup of my iPod first right?
06:07:44Hillshumyeah i guess
06:07:53TheWardenyou guess lol ?
06:08:12TheWardenI just have like major amount of stuff on there that's all
06:08:17Hillshumipods are hard to brick tho, id just make sure i have my tunes etc.
06:08:30TheWardenyeah
06:09:35Hillshummake sure you have the 80gb RB
06:11:14TheWardenok
06:11:16TheWardenty
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06:20:31TheWardenis there plans to support iPod Classic 80g?
06:21:01Hillshumhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14871.0
06:21:16Hillshumno plans are ever made
06:22:25Hillshumapple encrypted the firmware and otherwise protected it from 3rd party firmware
06:25:20TheWardenoh that is sick
06:25:47Hillshumoranges are better
06:25:49TheWardengeez Apple needs to quit being so anal about these things argh
06:26:05*TheWarden is happy then he has a 5.5 generation then :)
06:26:33*Hillshum is not happy he has an e200 v2 instead of v1
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06:56:25chrfmemy sandisk e200 showed up as f and g drives in my computer. f worked so i tried installing rockbox, but it said to change my configuration. can someone help me install please?
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06:59:43TheWardendoes one suggest I do manual install or automatic ?
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07:00:44Jessica246Hiya folks. anyone know anything about an Archos Gmini 120
07:00:46Jessica246?
07:00:59Jessica246specs and such? opinions?
07:01:24scorcheTheWarden: try automatic first
07:02:15J-23Hello.
07:02:16TheWardenscorche: okay, mm let me re-read then I'm confused how to do that
07:03:07scorcheJessica246: well, the Gmini port doesnt work atm....it is way out of date
07:03:22scorchesee: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GminiPort
07:03:28TheWardenmmmm I need to use the rbuilt 1.05 for automatic install mmm
07:04:10J-23I'm trying to build Rockbox with http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755 patch for Sansa c240 simulator, but make returns http://pastebin.com/d699b2830
07:04:12Jessica246hmmm... I've got a jukebox recorder 20. someone wants to trade me a gmini 120 for it, and i cant even find specs on the 120.
07:04:27J-23I've downloaded newest Rockbox sources from SVN.
07:04:30scorcheJessica246: well, this isnt quite the place for that
07:04:54Jessica246yeah, i know... but i figured that if anyone knows the kit, you all would.
07:05:15Jessica246you folks know -everything-!
07:05:27Jessica246*grins*
07:08:02TheWardenmm do I have to uncompress or have the rockbox.zip file with the rbuilt ?
07:08:26scorcheTheWarden: you should be able to do it all through rbutil
07:08:58TheWardenscorche: Okay,, well damn I wish my iPod was already charged so I could go do this.. now
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07:19:07TheWardenum I have errors on TTS & Encoder do I have to have those apps downloaded ?
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07:39:26J-23How can I fix http://pastebin.com/d699b2830 ?
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08:19:05BgerJ-23 what are you trying to do ?
08:19:20Bgerapplying a patch or /
08:19:42J-23I'm trying to compile Rockbox with MediaWiki Viewer patch
08:20:10J-23(http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755)
08:21:29Bgerhm
08:21:41Bgerare you using a current svn tree?
08:22:13Bgeroh, ok, let me see
08:22:34J-23Yes, I am.
08:28:14amiconnIt's a fundamental bug in that plugin code. It won't compile for sims.
08:28:41J-23But I've tried to compile it for real player and it returned a lot of errors.
08:29:50amiconnThe plugin redefines read() - but that is already redefined for sims as sim_read()
08:30:32J-23hmm, now it builded without errors
08:30:52J-23(for real player, Normal build, target - Sansa c240)
08:30:55amiconnHmm, that's actually enclosed into #ifndef SIMULATOR
08:32:25amiconnStill that code looks rather dirty to me
08:34:25Bgeramiconn what specifically looks dirty to you?
08:35:12Bger(not that i've had a look at the code...)
08:39:44amiconn(1) It includes a .c file from another .c file, and both contain actual code. (2) It redefines read() and write() for targets, but not for sims. That *probably* means that on sims the plugin accesses the file system directly, circumventing the plugin api
08:40:48Bgerthese 2 looks like easily correctable...
08:40:56*J-23 tries to read English Wikibooks from his player
08:42:06J-23It works :)
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11:22:11n1sreloading the theme made it work again...
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12:43:50J-23How can I undo patch?
12:44:05preglowpatch -R
12:44:48keenoxcan somebody help me with tcctool?
12:45:51ali_as_Whats the problem keenox?
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13:07:40keenoxi want to add x20 to the list
13:08:03keenoxand i'd like to know what is the third hex number
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13:12:43ali_as_Memory fading, is that the sdram config register setting?
13:12:57ali_as_If so do you know the x20 sdram layout?
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13:17:23ali_as_Ok, checked and it is. You need to know how much sdram is in the player and how wide the bus is.
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13:18:39ali_as_If these values and the cpu match an existing player, you can use those values.
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13:19:04keenoxhmm.... i got my hand on some telechips firmware writer and some technical pdf's
13:19:14ali_as_If not you need to plug them into the telechips software to find out the value.
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