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#rockbox log for 2008-04-29

00:00:07PaulJamthe official build has viewports, so if your wps uses the scrolling margins patch you'll have to modify it to work with the curent build
00:00:30*amiconn is rather confused now by the linker :(
00:00:51bertrikstill working on the UIE stuff?
00:01:23amiconnyes
00:01:28*^Parrot^ is not a coder just a new user of rockbox
00:01:35*bertrik knows nothing about that
00:01:46amiconnSomehow the linker tries to find crt0-pp-bl.o outside librockbox.a
00:02:11^Parrot^so If I see a theme that needs the scroller patch, it is not likely to work with the latest build?
00:02:15linuxstbThat's probably because it's specified in the linker script
00:02:15amiconnIf I remove firmware/ from the list of include paths, it complains in cannot find target/arm/crt0-pp-bl.o
00:02:33amiconnBut .a files don't include paths afaik
00:03:08amiconnIf I specify system.o explicitly on the command line, it works, but that's dirty
00:03:52amiconnAnd if I specify crt0-pp-bl.o explicitly (without removing the include path), it complains about duplicate symbols - obviously it tries to link that thing twice...
00:04:08bertrikare you sure crt0-pp-bl.o is actually inside librockbox.a?
00:04:15amiconnyes
00:04:20linuxstbMaybe it's something to do with the way the library is build - it's finding main (and UIE when added) in the bootloader .o, but not symbols in the .a file
00:04:43amiconnarm-elf-ar -t librockbox.a shows it
00:04:57PaulJam^Parrot^: you don't need to be a coder to modify the wps. the format is documented here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=CustomWPS
00:05:04amiconns/-t/t/
00:05:18^Parrot^what about bmp resize? should I make them 200x200 176x176 100x100? or make bmps at all 3 sizes depending on the theme?
00:05:28amiconneh?
00:06:19^Parrot^PaulJam: I was not planning on doing any wps work at all. I just wanted to find a theme that I liked (I hve found a few) some require bmp resize, scrillomng and/orAA
00:06:52 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよăȘら")
00:07:33PaulJam^Parrot^: i think the easiest way is to try the WPS. if you see a very basic text only WPS, then it doesn't work with the official build.
00:07:46^Parrot^k
00:08:16^Parrot^Trial and error... o the days of punch cards come flying back to my brain
00:08:36^Parrot^reading that wps page thanks
00:09:04gevaertsaustriancoder: volume seems the same as on my previous build (17229), but I can't hear any difference at all between -6 and +9 on 17229, so I'm afraid you'll need another tester for that.
00:09:17amiconnThe linker script specifies an explicit INPUT()
00:09:23^Parrot^at the risk of starting a war, what is the current status on a jpg patch or modified build that does suppor jpg?
00:09:25austriancodergevaerts: change bass settings
00:09:31*gevaerts either has wrong music or wrong ears for this
00:10:01gevaertsaustriancoder: I changed Settings -> Sound Settings -> Bass
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00:11:35amiconnAha, hmm....
00:11:38austriancodergevaerts: okay.. I think i have found the probelm.. wm8751 defineds [SOUND_BASS] = {"dB", 1, 15, -60, 90, 0}, the probelm is now the 15.. I think i will revert this change until i/we found a good way to handle 1.5 db steps
00:14:18*gevaerts decides to never volunteer again for sound tests. You need to hear differences for that...
00:14:46austriancoder;)
00:15:11*linuxstb is reminded of the first version of the X5 audio driver that had something like no sound above about 10KHz - and no-one noticed for a while...
00:15:29Bagderyeah, I used that...
00:15:32gevaertsIn a way I'm lucky. I can use lower bitrates :)
00:15:42Bagder... without noticing
00:15:44linuxstbBagder: Yes, I was thinking of your ears ;)
00:15:58*linuxstb probably wouldn't have noticed anything either...
00:18:10*gevaerts decides to rip out al these useless audio settings
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00:23:04Nico_P^Parrot^: there's no patch or build that supports JPEG AA yet
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00:24:16Nico_Pgevaerts: #define HAVE_AUDIO_SETTINGS :)
00:25:16Bagder#define HAVE_TIN_EARS
00:25:19gevaertsNico_P: something like that. I think I'l keep the volume control :)
00:25:23*Bagder goes to bed
00:25:49*gevaerts thinks that this is an excellent idea. Goodnight
00:25:59Nico_Pgood night to you both ;)
00:26:05linuxstbOur users must be reassured to know devs of audio firmwares have such good hearing...
00:26:23*gevaerts only does usb :)
00:26:38^Parrot^Nico_P: thanx and GN
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00:26:54*linuxstb only does lossless - so he can check the md5sum of the output
00:27:22DerPapsttricky :-)
00:27:59*Nico_P did the same for early buffering code
00:28:14Nico_P...I wish it was as easy now
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00:35:40Sh0rtnArm3dhelp
00:36:04Sh0rtnArm3dim trying to install rockbox on my Ipod Nano 1st Gen
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00:36:51Sh0rtnArm3dhowever when ever i try to install the bootloader i get an error saying "failed to add bootloader" in the progress window
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00:38:34Sh0rtnArm3dcan anyone help??
00:38:36bluefoxxwill rockbox run on a 2nd gen ipod nano?
00:38:48DerPapstbluefoxx: nope
00:39:04bluefoxxDerPapst: is it planned to be done??...
00:39:28Sh0rtnArm3dDerpapst: ne idea how to fix my "bootloader failed to add" problem?
00:39:40DerPapstSh0rtnArm3d: be patient. I don' know the solution to your problem but others might know.
00:39:46DerPapst*don't
00:40:24DerPapstbluefoxx: ports aren't planned, they're done by peoples interested in them.
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00:40:58bluefoxxah, i see...
00:41:02DerPapstbluefoxx: and major problems have to be solved before a port is possible
00:41:09bluefoxxsuch as??...
00:41:20DerPapstso it's not very likely something happens for the next years
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00:41:56DerPapstthe firmware is encrypted and it's currently not possible to run any custom code on the iPod
00:42:17bluefoxxwell that sucks then :\
00:42:20DerPapstsince this code has to be decrypted again.
00:43:06bluefoxxwould it help if someone pestered apple for the code?
00:44:09DerPapstSh0rtnArm3d: most people in here are from europe and it's ~Midnight - 1am here currently. But normally bootloader installation should work fine from rbutil. Have you tried to restore your Ipod before?
00:44:25DerPapstbluefoxx: no.
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00:46:30DerPapstbluefoxx: only ~0.5% of all nano 2g would be in this key and apple doesn't care about such a minority.
00:46:31Sh0rtnArm3dDerpapst: restore? by pressing select and menu?
00:46:42DerPapstSh0rtnArm3d: restore with itunes
00:46:44DerPapstnot reset
00:47:44Sh0rtnArm3dDer: il try right now... tell me if im correct you goon itunes then click ipod then summary and then restore?
00:48:01DerPapstyep
00:48:26Sh0rtnArm3dDer: now it goes to some software update window
00:48:46Sh0rtnArm3d..now its downloading something
00:48:55bluefoxxso how can i reset a ipod to factory settings in linux? what tools are there?
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00:50:31DerPapstbluefoxx: dunno if you can in linux.
00:50:58Sh0rtnArm3dDer: man you rock worked like a charm
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00:51:20bluefoxxDerPapst: damn. a computerless friend of mine wanted me to reset all the crap in his ipod he got given[a friend of his gave him they're old ipod]
00:51:41DerPapstbluefoxx: does the OF still work?
00:51:50Sh0rtnArm3dDer: i have one more question can i add music through itunes and still hear it on rockbox? and how about videos?
00:51:52bluefoxxDerPapst: yus
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00:52:24DerPapstbluefoxx: mount the iPod, go to iPod_Control/MusicFxx and dele all the files in the Fxx folders.
00:52:39bluefoxxDerPapst: kk
00:52:48DerPapstand some other files such as the iTunesDB (all located under iPod_Control)
00:53:10DerPapstSh0rtnArm3d: 1. yes, 2 use the OF
00:53:29DerPapstor use the MpegPlayerPlugin (check the manual for this.)
00:53:31bluefoxxDerPapst: so that removes his buddy's name from there to right?
00:53:40DerPapstprobably not.
00:53:49DerPapstbut that can be fixed from windows
00:54:18DerPapstbut honestly, i don't know for sure. i know almost nothing about these newer iPods
00:54:47bluefoxx>. < i dont do windows. the only windows PC remaining in my inventory is a 98box used for games WINE spews complaints about <. <
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00:55:18DerPapstvisit a friend with windows then :-P
00:56:31bluefoxxDerPapst: hehe, that might work XD
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01:00:14amiconnHah, finally I understand what causes the UIE problem
01:00:26amiconnUnfortunately I'm not sure about the best solution yet
01:00:59Nico_Pamiconn: may I ask what UIE means?
01:01:10Nico_P(and congratulations btw ;) )
01:01:11amiconnUnexpected Interrupt or Exception
01:01:56amiconnThe problem has nothing to do with that specific function, btw, but only with how it's referenced, and how the linker collects the needed object files
01:03:22amiconnHmm, seems the fix is even nearly trivial
01:03:25*amiconn verifies
01:03:36DerPapstamiconn: :-)
01:05:43amiconnAh, yes
01:05:55amiconnIt's definitely an internal file order problem in the linker
01:06:32amiconnThe problem is that both the Makefile specifies objects and libs on the command line, and the .lds specifies the crt0 object with INPUT()
01:07:00amiconnObviously files specified with INPUT() are *always* processed *after* all files and libs specified on the command line
01:07:06DerPapstdid you get that problem for all targets?
01:07:25amiconnSo symbols needed by crt0 *only* won't be included from libs
01:08:21amiconnThere is a simple solution though - the startup file can be specified in the .lds by using STARTUP() instead of INPUT() - that causes it to be processed before all other files, including those specified on the command line
01:09:08amiconnSo no more reference hackaround necessary
01:09:49amiconnDerPapst: Not all targets were affected by this problem, because the object(s) referenced by crt0 were already linked in by coincidence
01:10:24DerPapstheh. Impressive that his coincidence worked so long.
01:10:28DerPapst*this
01:10:35amiconnAfaik the problem exists for gigabeat S (hack in SVN), meizu, and logikdax (markun and linuxstb wanted to see it solved)
01:11:09DerPapstah
01:11:21amiconnYou can easily recreate it e.g. for PP by just putting b UIE at the very end of crt0-pp-bl.S, and then trying to compile a bootloader...
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01:12:35amiconnIt will fail due to the missing UIE symbol, unless you also edit boot.lds for PP and replace the INPUT() with STARTUP()
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01:16:12*DerPapst doesn't know what UIE does and better leaves crt0-pp-bl.S alone :-P
01:16:47amiconnIt's the function that is called if an exception or an unmapped interrupt occurs
01:17:23amiconnIf you put that call at the very end, it won't be called at all. Furthermore, that's just a compilation test, nothing that needs to be installed on target...
01:17:25DerPapstah. an exception handler od some sort
01:17:34DerPapst*of
01:17:48amiconnYes, that thing that displays all those data aborts, undefined instructions etc
01:17:50DerPapst:-)
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01:27:23amiconnhmpf
01:27:32*amiconn can't test-build a beast bootloader
01:27:45DerPapstshall i?
01:27:52amiconnNo multilibs-enabled arm-elf-gcc in my cygwin...
01:28:37DerPapsti have that multilibs-enabled arm-elf-gcc in my cygwin. If you give me a patch i can test
01:32:15amiconnhttp://pastebin.ca/1001081
01:35:11*DerPapst builds
01:35:33*amiconn also started a bunch of builds (most of his targets)
01:36:44DerPapstdoes make soetimes die for you? it sits sometimes there not doing anything for hours. I have to kill it then and start again :-/
01:37:56DerPapstworked fine and without warnings :-)
01:38:06amiconnIt only does this when trying the ctrl-C a build. Sometimes this still leaves subshells or 'make' processes running, and then a subsequent 'make' becomes very confused
01:39:05DerPapstshall i try any other bootloaders?
01:39:06amiconnBut as long as no zombies are running, 'make' never hangs for me, even when scheduling a bunch of builds in a long command line that needs ~3 hours to build or so
01:39:26amiconnThe S is the only one in SVN that uses the hack
01:39:52DerPapstah.. i have multiple cygwin shells open if i compile for multiple targets. maybe that's the problem
01:40:12amiconnHmm, it shouldn't, although I never tried that
01:40:24DerPapstfeels faster :-)
01:41:00*amiconn always uses make && make zip && cd ../2nd_target && make && make zip && cd ../3rd_target etc
01:41:35DerPapsti bet building in parallel works faster...
01:41:43amiconnI doubt that
01:41:52amiconnI would even expect it to be slower
01:42:17*DerPapst should test that when bored.
01:42:34amiconnhehe
01:43:05amiconnAnyway, compiling for the whole collection is a good job to run overnight
01:44:03DerPapstheh on cygwin for sure.
01:44:11*DerPapst should try a vm.
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01:46:23*amiconn should probably try microsoft sfu again
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01:47:27amiconnI even have linux VMs to choose from, but using them regularly for builds just feels cumbersome
01:54:20saratogablackhawk is proving harder then I'd hoped to contact
01:58:42scorche|shsaratoga: why does he need to be contacted?
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02:01:26saratogai'm starting with his patch for my GSOC project
02:01:40saratogaand i'd like to ask him about the build environment hes using
02:02:09scorche|shit was different than what we use?
02:03:04DerPapstoh youre one of the lucky ones? :-)
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02:04:10*scorche|sh chooses to ignore DerPapst ;)
02:04:55DerPapst:-P
02:12:06saratogascorche|sh: i don't think so, but evidently he has to use some additional libraries to link it to the linux system running on his phone
02:12:11saratogaand i'm curious about how that works
02:12:22saratogacan probably figure it out on my own, but it'd be nice to have his input
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02:55:24saratogais the define really SCREEN_PORTAIT ?
02:55:31*midgey is playing blackjack in "spanish" on his gigabeat
02:55:42midgeyhttp://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2764/dump080428205118dd3.png
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02:57:45midgeysaratoga: looks like it... :\
02:58:10midgeydefined in /firmware/export/config.h
02:58:19saratogai'm tempted to try a global find and replace
02:59:07*midgey should start committing typo fixes to get his commit count up
02:59:28saratogago for it!
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03:11:05JdGordon|zzzsaratoga: typo fixed
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03:13:23saratogaJdGordon|zzz: i was so close to figuring out the shell script to do that
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03:13:51JdGordonhehe, simple find and replace in the text editor :)
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03:45:12DerPapstmidgey: nice work!
03:45:31DerPapst<-- sleep (finally)
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04:18:30mtrckbxCan anybody out there advise on hoe to use the triggered recording fuctions on an iRiver H320?
04:25:38*mtrckbx says hello
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04:29:17mtrckbxAnybody on this channel?
04:30:22krazykitthere are many people in this channel. it's just that the active ones may not know the answer. patience is requested :)
04:31:42mtrckbxok krazykit, thanks.
04:34:06mtrckbxison
04:34:44mtrckbxlusers
04:35:28mtrckbxnames #rockbox
04:35:59krazykitmtrckbx, have tried searching the manual and the forums?
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05:52:37purpleposeidonThe font in doom is hard to read. :/
05:55:31LloreanThat would be id's fault, they probably didn't expect it to be on such small screens.
05:56:05purpleposeidonThat id. :(
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06:01:55bronsojaI'm having an issue with the RBUtil on ubuntu 8.04. My player is mounted at /media/Sansa e260 and i'm able to read the file contents in the file browser, but when I try to run the complete installation it stops after printing "No Sansa found". Any ideas?
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06:05:52Lloreanbronsoja: Are you sure it's a v1 sansa?
06:06:57bronsojaI thought so, I can double check in the settings info.
06:08:22bronsojain settings, the listed version is 01.02.18A
06:09:05bronsojaCould it be having a problem with the space in the mount path?
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06:42:33Tuplanollabronsoja: it could be the space in the mount path
06:42:34RomanianHello all.
06:42:37Tuplanollahello
06:42:47RomanianIs anybody available to help me?
06:43:04Tuplanollayes, just ask
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06:44:53RomanianWell, I've been having this problem with my iAudio X5L, started about 24 hours ago. It won't play sound. I can get it to load, everything works fine, but it won't play sound. It shows that it's playing, even at full volume, but nothing comes out of the speakers. Once every 20 loads or so, sound will play, and I will be able to change the volume for about 30 seconds. After this period has passed, I can't change the volume level. Happen
06:45:20RomanianI've formatted 5 times, reinstalled firmware, and checked my headphones.
06:46:49RomanianAlso, the distinctive fuzzy "pop" sound when I boot it is absent.
06:49:00Shaidcould be a hardware issue, something went funny inside
06:49:20Shaidlike headphone socket coming loose from the board
06:50:11RomanianNope, I've checked that.
06:50:44Shaidwhat happens in the original firmware?
06:50:50RomanianAnd if it were a hardware issue, is it possible that it plays at such odd intervals?
06:50:57RomanianI don't know; I haven't been able to re-load original firmware.
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06:56:53RomanianDamn.
06:57:00RomanianWell, how would the A3 compare to the X5L?
06:57:30bronsojaI got mine figured out. My linux inexperience showing.. when i ran rbutil with sudo, it was able to find the player.
06:57:42bronsojathanks all.
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07:00:37Lamezhi
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07:00:49RomanianAccording to the player's page, you just place the *.bin in /drive/FIRMWARE/ and plug it in. When I do that, nothing happens; it just charges. Is there something else I'm missing?
07:00:51Romanianhttp://www.cowonamerica.com/download/iaudio_x5_jsfw.html
07:01:43Lamezhoe
07:01:47Lamezhi
07:02:09RomanianHey.
07:02:14LamezI need some help with rockboy
07:02:26RomanianWhat's wrong?
07:02:46Lamezit will not play my gbc roms on my 1g Nano
07:03:14RomanianDoes it give any messages?
07:03:55Lameznope, my file do not show up, then when I change the general settings to show all files, they show up, how come they are not supported? Would this be consider a bug?
07:04:42RomanianWhat's the suffix of the file's name?
07:04:55RomanianOr... extension, or whatever it's called.
07:05:08Lamezlol ok extension, gbc and gb
07:05:26Romanianhm
07:05:28Romanianwhich version do you have?
07:05:57Lamezthe latest, I just downloaded it yesterday, I updated my old version, then I found out rockbox has its own emulator
07:06:08Romanianhuh...
07:06:11Romaniansorry, I have no idea :\
07:06:39LamezI know, I have no idea what is wrong, I think I might try downloading a fresh copy of Rockbox, and see what happens
07:06:46RomanianYeah, do that
07:07:12LamezI did wanna do what the new installer was like, it could be possiable it corrupted some files, I have no idea. Well thanks any ways
07:07:29LamezI did wanna see what the new installer was like *
07:07:57RomanianSo, nobody else has any thoughts on my problem of not being able to play sound?
07:08:09RomanianOr load the original firmware, for that matter.
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07:08:12Lamezyou can't play sound
07:08:32Lamezwhat kind of play do you have?
07:08:36Lamezplayer
07:09:18RomanianiAudio X5L
07:09:23Romanianit started about 24 hours ago
07:09:29RomanianI just can't play sound from it.
07:09:35Lamezoh, then I have no idea, I am a iPod guy
07:09:42RomanianYeah. Thanks, though.
07:09:51Lamezlol, sorry..later
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07:09:56RomanianPeace
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08:37:34DhraakellianWhat's the best way to remove a theme?
08:37:50amiconnlinuxstb__, markun: UIE() problem fixed :)
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08:51:42markunamiconn: thanks!
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08:55:51linuxstbamiconn: Congrats ;)
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09:10:48pondlifehttp://miche.aqua-gero.com/rbonly/ - I wonder if this is our code, but not GPLed...
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09:11:26pondlifeI meant "using our code"..
09:12:18pondlifeIt certainly appears to contain it
09:12:48pondlifeAlbeit a build from 2006
09:13:09B4gderso you get a bootloader that can't run rockbox! ;-)
09:13:24B4gderwell, recent ones
09:13:30pondlifehehe, but also a GPL-violating tagnavi.config?
09:14:37pondlifeHe's included the licenses.txt/copying.txt at least
09:14:40pondlifeBut no source
09:14:57B4gderhe probably just doesn't realize his obligations
09:15:02pondlifeIndeed
09:15:12pondlifeDo we have a friendly letter?
09:15:43B4gderI can't remember seeing any good template recently
09:16:00pondlifeNot that I'm particularly bothered, but it's good not to violate stuff.
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09:16:51pondlifeB4gder: Don't suppose you had time to try any other build table formats?
09:17:05B4gderno, not yet
09:17:13pondlifeJust wondering if I should read the past week's logs or not.:-)
09:19:10pondlifehttp://ipodlinux.org/User_talk:Miche seems to indicate that lack of source has been mentioned before - IF we're talking about the same person.
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