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#rockbox log for 2008-04-30

00:00:39Bagderhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.msg112320#msg112320
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00:54:11linuxstbshotofadds, preglow: Do you know if there's a reason not to enable interrupts in the D2 bootloader? It would remove a lot of #ifdefs...
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01:01:18preglowwell
01:01:24preglowwe generally don't enable interrupts in bootloaders
01:01:49preglowand to be honest, i think we should keep it that way
01:02:00preglowthe fewer sources of bugs in bootloaders, the better
01:02:03linuxstbIIUC, that's not true. e.g. all the Coldfire bootloaders enable interrupts, as does the m:robe 500
01:02:11preglowreally?
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01:02:27preglowi thought the coldfire bootloaders specfically didn't do it
01:02:32preglowoh well, i haven't looked at those for a while
01:02:33linuxstbI think all the ARM ones don't simply because they're all based on the ipod bootloader, which I never got around to enabling interrupts in (because they weren't needed).
01:02:41linuxstbgrep for "enable_irq" in bootloader/
01:02:59preglowoh, that just unmasks them
01:03:06preglowit doesn't actually set up interrupt vectors and the like
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01:03:39linuxstbI know, but surely that's done as well?
01:03:53preglowi don't think so, really
01:03:56preglowand i don't see why
01:04:55linuxstbI mean why would there be a call to enable_irq(), if interrupts aren't being used?
01:04:59preglowshrug
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01:06:47linuxstbAnd if we want bootloader USB on PP (maybe useful on some targets), we're going to need to enable interrupts.
01:07:13amiconnWell the M3 bootloader actually uses interrupts
01:07:22preglowis the source complexity really that mcuh affacted by bootloaders not enabled interrupts?
01:07:47linuxstbpreglow: Look at adc-tcc780x.c for example - it's basically two different implementations (polling and interrupts)
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01:08:15preglowlinuxstb: well, that certainly is a good point
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01:08:46amiconnIt needs both the tick timer and the iic2 interrupt for the ADC to work (reading battery voltage and most buttons)
01:08:55preglowbut no, i don't have anything about interrupt usage in bootloaders principally, just make it so unexpected interrupts don't hurt anything
01:12:44linuxstbAt least the way it's done currently on telechips, it's extremely safe - the dual-boot check is the first instructions in crt0.S, before anything else is done. So a broken bootloader will still be able to load the original firmware.
01:15:01amiconnAfaik all coldfire bootloaders at least rely on a working tick interrupt (for sleep())
01:19:44preglowgod, that blink that happens when rockbox shuts down on nano is ugly...
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01:23:08Tatshanybody ever seen this menu on an iPod?
01:23:10Tatshit has these options
01:23:13Tatsh5 IN 1
01:23:14TatshRESET
01:23:16TatshKEY
01:23:18TatshCHGRCUR
01:23:19TatshREMOTE
01:23:20TatshHP STAT
01:23:22TatshIRAM3
01:23:24Tatshwhat is this?
01:23:32scorche|shyou could have put that all on one line...
01:23:33preglowdebug messsges
01:23:42DerPapstdiagnostic mode
01:23:48Tatshi thought so
01:23:51Tatshwhat triggered this?
01:23:54Tatshi left it in my bag all day
01:23:58DerPapstyou
01:24:21Tatshwhat button combination does this
01:24:25DerPapstor << + center on most ipods iirc
01:24:37Tatshah
01:24:38linuxstbTatsh: http://ipodlinux.org/Key_Combinations
01:24:54Tatshat least menu + select still reboots
01:24:56Tatshthat's weird
01:24:58Tatshi never expected that
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01:28:23Tatshoh well
01:28:28Tatshthat killed my battery, now recharging ;/
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01:59:28MakuseruDoes anyone know if someone is currently working on the Sansa M240 port? cant seem to find much information on it.
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02:02:33linuxstbI've been working on it for the last few days (a "version 1" m260). It's very similar to the Logik DAX player I've also been working on.
02:02:40Makuseruoh ya?
02:02:43Makuseruhows that going?
02:02:58linuxstbStill early days (it doesn't do anything useful), but it's progressing.
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02:03:05Makuserui have a version 1 m240 that i would like to put rockbox on
02:03:24Makuserumy main player is a Toshiba F series, and roxbox just runs amazingly on it
02:03:52Makuserui wish i knew more so i could help with the port, but im severly lacking in the programming area, ha
02:05:38linuxstbI'm sure that when it comes to developing the flash (disk) driver testers with other capacity devices will be needed.
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02:07:21Makuserulinuxstb: well if theres anything you need testers for, ill be a lab rat
02:07:40Makuserui dont know how many times i've bricked my Toshiba trying things
02:07:59linuxstbThere's an m200 thread on the forums - I'll post updates and requests for testers there.
02:08:22Makuseruill be sure to check it out
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02:40:29needshey any one in here a techie at all?
02:40:39Makuseruhi, i was looking at the Context Menu in my Toshiba Gigabeat F40, and i noticed it isnt like what appears in the manual, i only have the
02:40:48Makuseruplaylist option
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02:41:18Makuseruno other options like copy, delete, create. how would i get that?
02:43:35cool_walking_The _CONTEXT_ menu changes with context. I take it you are not calling it while a file is selected in the file browser.
02:45:25Makuserucool_walking_: oh, ok. i get how to use it now
02:45:55cool_walking_Are you trying to create a playlist?
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02:53:30rockboy02does any one know how to run rockboy?
02:54:02rockboy02i am having trouble and was wondering if any 1 knew anyhting at all...
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04:26:47JdGordon|unidoes anyone else wish rockbox had a proper random as well as the shuffle mode?
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04:33:21*scorche quite likes rockbox's random and much prefers it over others
04:33:50scorcheif archos's is the true random...well...ugh
04:35:17JdGordon|uniwell.. I changed from listening to only cds to just loading the whole DAPs content into one playlist and shufflnig it... in this case I wouldnt mind it repeating tracks and jumping around randomly
04:36:12scorche"jumping around randomly"?....does it not do that now?
04:36:43JdGordon|unino, now it shuffles the whole playlist and goes through the list in the expected order
04:37:00JdGordon|uniid like it to do a proper random selection for each track
04:37:04scorcheand how is that different than "jumping around randomly"?
04:37:14scorcheit just does the random bits beforehand
04:37:22JdGordon|uniwith no repeat
04:37:30scorcheyeah..
04:37:53JdGordon|uniim saying, with a long playlist, repeated shuffle is good
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04:38:45scorchearchos's was horrible...it did what you ask, but due to the way it was done, you could never go back a track, etc
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04:40:30JdGordon|uniI dont think thats a big deal if you use this mode though
04:40:39*JdGordon|uni definatly not suggesting replacing shuffle
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08:55:11B4gdernice post in the v2 forum thread
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09:15:40GodEaterB4gder: wonder who this Badger fellow is that he keeps mentioning ?
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09:22:04lymecaI have a 5.5G 80GB which I dd'ed the MBR onto to switch it to FAT32
09:22:29lymecaIt started rebooting continuously and a plugged it back in and got it into disk mode but now only /dev/sde1 and /dev/sde2 show up
09:22:33lymecaThere is no /dev/sde
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09:23:56Dhraakellianis there a way to see the total time for a playlist?
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09:26:56B4gderGodEater: clearly some wannabe-person we should avoid!
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09:28:29B4gderand he rockbox player thread is soon to be the single thread in which everything will be discussed in
09:28:41B4gderwe won't need any other
09:28:50linuxstb_Makes things easier to delete...
09:36:04lymecalinuxstb_: My HFS+ iPod has no /dev/sdx
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09:36:39lymeca-ipodpatcher finds no ipods
09:37:36Llorean Dhraakellian: Not currently, as it would require Rockbox opening every single file in the playlist to check its duration, not good for battery life at all.
09:37:51lymecaI just have /dev/sdx1 and /dev/sdx2
09:38:02lymecaHow do I access the MBR of this iPod?
09:38:22DhraakellianLlorean: I know nothing about the DB setup, but would it be possible to store times there?
09:38:32linuxstb_lymeca: That sounds odd - what operating system are you using?
09:39:25LloreanDhraakellian: It'd still require Rockbox query the database for every single song in the playlist. For long playlists, especially if the DB is not loaded to RAM, it would still be a not-good thing.
09:39:41lymecalinuxstb_: Debian
09:40:03DhraakellianLlorean: on DB initialization/update?
09:40:22DhraakellianLlorean: ah, nm... reread what you said
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09:42:00linuxstb_lymeca: I don't know then. You should always get a /dev/sdX device... Are you sure you're looking at the right "X" ?
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09:42:51B4gderand ipodpatcher can't do much fun on an HFS+ ipod anyway, can it?
09:43:21linuxstb_Yes, ipodpatcher itself supports HFS ipods.
09:43:30B4gderah, cool
09:43:45linuxstb_(on request from IPL users)
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09:44:17LloreanNot to mention that long ago there was some talk of giving iPodPatcher the option to convert them...
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09:44:58linuxstb_Most of the code to do that is already in SVN - it just needs testing and (probably) fixing. It's only for 512-byte sector ipods though.
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10:03:24JdGordoncan someone test this with a hard disk target? http://pastebin.ca/1001695 ... it changes the playlist stuff to use the ata callback instead of polling ata_disk_is_active() to dump the cache control
10:03:41JdGordon.... or should I just commit and hope it works?
10:05:26JdGordon*tumble weeds*...
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10:21:34lymecalinuxstb: I fixed that but now I try and format my 80GB to Fat32 with mtools
10:21:36lymecamformat -t 2428 -h 255 -s 63 -S 2048 -M 2048 -F a:
10:21:40lymecaIt complains:
10:21:48lymecaargssize must be less than 6
10:25:06linuxstblymeca: Checking the IRC logs for that error, you asked the same question on 14th April... Did you manage to recover your ipod, or is this a new one?
10:25:29lymecaThis is a new one.
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10:25:57lymeca5.5G 80GB that I just received today.
10:26:05lymecaThis ia brand new install of Debian too
10:26:30lymecaSo it's not my system's fault (unless the command I pasted it incorrect or Debian's mtools package is funky)
10:28:47linuxstbGoogling shows other people with the same error, but no solution...
10:29:54lymecaIs that command correct for GNU+Linux as well as Mac OS X?
10:30:00lymecamformat -t 2428 -h 255 -s 63 -S 2048 -M 2048 -F a:
10:30:01lymeca?
10:30:12linuxstbmformat should be the same, no matter where it's running.
10:30:43linuxstbHow have you defined "a:" ?
10:31:15lymecadrive a: file="/dev/sdk2"
10:31:20lymecain /etc/mtools.conf
10:31:26lymecaand /dev/sdk is my ipod
10:31:33lymecaI have a sdk and sdk1 and sdk2
10:31:40lymecawhich means the MBR copy worked
10:32:11lymecafdisk says:
10:32:12lymeca/dev/sdk1 1 4 128394 0 Empty
10:32:12lymeca/dev/sdk2 5 2432 78011640 b W95 FAT32
10:32:37linuxstbThat all looks correct.
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10:37:50lymecagggrrrrrr
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10:41:34amiconnlinuxstb, lymeca: There's a forum post about the very same problem. From the usage template that mformat prints it's easy to figure out what's wrong...
10:41:44amiconnThe -s should be -n
10:41:57amiconnhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16224.25;wap2
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10:48:23linuxstbamiconn: Ah... So either it's a typo in the wiki, or mformat changed their parameters.
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11:01:38*B4gder found this => http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2004-07/0453.shtml
11:01:44B4gdera request for an M3 port
11:01:56B4gdertook just a bit over 3 years to deliver ;-)
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12:10:27JdGordonhow to I create a .voice file for the lang?
12:11:32LloreanIt's an (A)dvanced build option, or in RButil, isn't it?
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12:15:00JdGordonnope... /me fails
12:15:18LloreanI've done .voice files both ways, always English, so I know both have worked in the past.
12:15:33LloreanWhich are you trying?
12:15:37JdGordonwhere does the .voice end up?
12:15:45JdGordoncommand line
12:15:56LloreanI seem to remember it just being right there in the build folder.
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12:17:05markunB4gder: will you reply the M3 guy that his request has been accepted? :)
12:17:19LloreanJdGordon: Did you do "make voice" instead of "make" ?
12:17:31JdGordonbah, thanks
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12:17:35*Llorean forgot to mention that
12:17:36JdGordonthats not in the makefile help
12:17:38JdGordon:(
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12:21:49*JdGordon loves being able to take credit for other people's bug fixes
12:21:52JdGordon:D
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12:36:27preglowjhMikeS: did you check out sdoyon's reply to your comments on his patch?
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13:49:58Casainhohello
13:51:41CasainhoI would like to know If I can create wiki pages for the project RockboxPlayer, using "RockboxPlayer-JTAG", for example... using "RockboxPlayer-xxxx" ??
13:51:51B4gdersure
13:52:30Casainhowhat is normaly done in this situation?
13:53:03B4gderpages are created with a common prefix, similar to what you said
13:53:21Casainhocan you give an example?
13:54:05B4gderIaudioM3Info and IaudioM3HardwareComponents
13:54:21B4gderIaudioX5Info and IaudioX5HardwareComponents
13:54:24Casainhoah, okok, so I sould not use the "-"
13:54:40Casainhookok - thank you.
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14:50:52PaulJamis the virtuak hdd led supposed to indicate that the disk is spinning or that the disk is being read?
14:52:47pondlifeSpinning, I'd think
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14:56:42pixelmareally? I would have guessed only when read - or how does it work on flash targets?
14:57:41pondlifeGood question!
14:58:11LloreanI'm pretty sure it's just on read/write.
14:58:43LloreanSince if you turn dircache off, and access the file browser it only shows briefly, I thought, even though the disk doesn't spin down for a few seconds.
14:58:56*Llorean could just pick up a player and check, but it's in the other room.
14:59:14pondlifeI just checked with my H300 and it seemed to be on until spindown, but I might be wrong
14:59:36pondlifeIt was impressively hard to get a spinup to occur, I know that ;)
14:59:42pondlifeHad to skip back lots
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15:00:42PaulJamyes, when turning of dircache the disk icon is only shown biefly
15:01:18LloreanYes, far shorter than the 5s spindown time i've got set.
15:01:25*Llorean should probably shorten that.
15:01:26pixelmaon my M5 it seems to only indicate the read. I use it in my WPS and it "turned off" when buffering was finished but the disk was spinning for a bit (of course)
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15:01:45pondlifeAh, I'm talking about the status bar icon, same I assume..
15:01:50LloreanYes