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#rockbox log for 2008-05-01

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00:36:48shotofaddsJdGordon: I've put together a simple test_touchpad plugin ( http://www.pastebin.ca/1003385 ). Could you take a look and I'll commit if it's ok? It might help in debugging some of the glitches I'm seeing.
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00:37:02shotofaddsI'll pick up any comments tomorrow as I'm out of here for the night.
00:37:06JdGordonhey
00:37:17JdGordonok, ill look at it later this arvo
00:37:30shotofaddsit's really quite simple, but effective I think
00:37:38shotofaddssee ya.
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00:41:49blo0dyhi
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00:43:01blo0dyanyone had any further luck with the e200 v2 port , what already isnt posted here http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html
00:43:19scorche|shthat is about the v1
00:43:29scorche|shsee the forums thread for the latest work
00:43:53blo0dyis it working ? because if not I would like to help just dont know where to start
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00:44:08scorche|shwe cannot yet run code on it, so no
00:44:26blo0dywhat can I do to help get this going ?
00:45:22blo0dyI was looking on the forum for the v2 link but cant seem to find it
00:45:26krazykityou can read the thread, as that is stated several times
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00:45:55krazykitblo0dy, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064
00:46:02blo0dykrazykit, ty
00:46:12krazykitright on top in the New Ports forum, pretty much.
00:47:43Manojso, todays current build has some issues with changing themes
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00:48:16Manojlike, the default theme should album art, but any theme I change to changes the nackdrop, but nothing else
00:48:38ManojI see some information about the now playing song, and I see an equilizer, on a dark background
00:48:54Manojreetting all settings takes me back to a working default theme
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00:49:01Manojis this a known issue?
00:50:27ManojAh, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16544.0
00:51:09ManojSo I need to hack the wps format
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01:01:12crzyboystera
01:01:34crzyboysterAnyone know about this > http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16662.0 ? Is it possible and has anyone attempted it before?
01:01:56krazykithave you searched google?
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01:03:11crzyboysterI did find this > http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ipod_Nano_200gb_Instructions/Page_1 but that's with a hard drive and not exactly what I want...
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01:03:45krazykitcrzyboyster, and the fact that uncyclopedia is not a reliable source for anything.
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01:04:38crzyboysterWhat exactly is uncyclopedia?
01:04:41krazykitchances are, it's not worth your effort. Assuming the NAND are surface-mount, you'd need special soldering equipment to safely remove and replace the NAND, assuming it even works at all
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01:05:23krazykitcrzyboyster, try reading the front page of the site to see?
01:05:23zehaha 200gb nano
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01:05:40zecrzyboyster: uncyclopedia is the UNcyclopedia
01:08:31davenuncyclopedia is about as funny as a funeral
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01:10:33Manojdamn. arboxWidgets does not work with any of the archived daily builds
01:10:56Manojso how do people find themes that work with, say, the current build?
01:11:35krazykitall of the ones on our wiki pages should work with the current builds.
01:12:01Manojhttp://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 ?
01:13:37gevaertsI'm a bit surprised. It says that arboxWidgets was last updated on April 4th 2008, which is pretty recent in WPS terms AFAIK
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01:14:05krazykithttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g
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01:14:21krazykiti don't think there have been any commits remotely recently that would break WPS that previously worked.
01:14:43kugelkrazykit: Wrong :)
01:14:46krazykitother than ones making parsing more strict
01:15:25kugelThe image check was committed recently, where the wps only loads, if all images to be loaded, load properly
01:15:52krazykitright, but if the WPS was made correctly in the first place, that wouldn't be an issue.
01:15:57Manojhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#arboxWidgets
01:16:07ManojI can't seem to get that to work
01:16:58gevaertsIt seems to miss hold.bmp
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01:18:53blo0dylol
01:18:55blo0dyHowever trivial this may sound, this is step 1 and it may require various degrees of violence.
01:18:57blo0dyhahaha
01:18:59blo0dy:
01:19:01blo0dy:)
01:19:20blo0dyjust read the new port twikik
01:19:58gevaertsManoj: Try downloading http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsGigabeatF/arboxWidgets_G.zip and copying the hold.bmp from there to .rockbox/wps/arboxWidgets/ on the ipod
01:21:19Manojgevaerts: Thanks. You are a godsend
01:21:20kugelkrazykit: Seems that you were wrong :) Or an update accidently removed hold.bmp
01:24:29krazykitkugel, no, seems the theme was broken in the first place.
01:25:18kugelkrazykit: Oh, I didn't see this little if in your previous post :(
01:25:30*gevaerts hopes that linuxstb and scorche|sh get the new theme site working soon
01:25:51Manojgevaerts: That did it. It works now!
01:26:15krazykitkugel, no worries :)
01:26:52scorche|shgevaerts: me too :)
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01:27:34gevaertsManoj: great :) There are some tools in the source to check wps files for that sort if issues, and there are plans for a new theme site that automatically checks themes for those errors, but it's not done yet unfortunatly
01:28:08*gevaerts assumes that scorche|sh means that the ball is now in linuxstb's camp :)
01:29:43scorche|shgevaerts: has been for the past few weeks
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01:43:50*gevaerts uploaded a fixed arboxWidgets.zip
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02:40:32saratogaaren't x86 processors little endian already?
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03:53:25anztacHey guys, I just bought a e250 and copied in the rockbox files and installed the bootloader for the first time. Starts up fine, plays and all that, only hangup is that when I plug it in to USB it hangs and I have to remove the battery to reboot
03:54:17anztacDidn't see this in any documentation, wondering if it was a bug in the current build?
03:56:30scorchehold the power button for 15 seconds
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03:58:36anztacAh, ok, good, guess I wasn't patient enough... but it still freezes when I plug in USB
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04:00:52advcomp2019are you booting into OF manually or are you talking about the auto reboot to OF?
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04:03:25JdGordon|unianztac: when and where did you get the bootloader from? you may have got one with a bug which doesnt let the OF start
04:03:25anztacSorry, OF?
04:03:34JdGordon|unisansa firmware
04:03:42anztacoh, OF boots fine
04:03:53anztacI got the rockbox off the current build page
04:04:24anztacWhat happens is that if I am in RockBox firmware and plug in USB, the whole thing hangs and I have to reboot
04:04:31JdGordon|unihmm.... usb shuoldnt be crashing it then :p
04:04:53JdGordon|unihangs? or the screen goes funny and eventaully fades to black?
04:05:23anztacItgoes funny, for a second, or hangs there, or sometimes it gets as far as the USB picture and then it just hangs
04:05:27dergrunepunkthi, does anyone knows how to personalize the menu tree?
04:05:41anztacDoesn't register on the computer, doesn't change picture or respond if I remove USB
04:06:00scorchedergrunepunkt: you need to edit the code and recompile
04:06:23dergrunepunktthanks scorche
04:06:54scorcheanztac: i seem to remember this happening on a few sansas for an unknown reason...it shouldnt matter once the USB stack goes in thought
04:06:58scorche-t
04:07:06dergrunepunktthere is a way to use 48x48 icons or so?
04:07:25scorchethat is a bit...big...
04:07:25anztacscorche: is that an update that is coming later?
04:07:35scorcheanztac: it is in progress
04:07:52JdGordon|unidergrunepunkt: not without recompiling th code... iirc the largest is 24x24
04:09:00dergrunepunktdid u try to do that?
04:09:07anztacscorche: thanks =) I suppose I will either reboot into OF for USB for a while or wait it out until the USB stack gets released
04:09:15anztacReally want OGG support and stuff, heh
04:09:44scorcheit isnt hard to boot into the OF
04:10:28anztacAgreed
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04:10:56JdGordon|unidergrunepunkt: i was right... there is a hardcoded limit to 24x24... easy to change if you can build yuor own
04:11:10anztacThanks guys, appreciate the info
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04:12:31dergrunepunktJdGordon|uni: I'll give it a try
04:13:04JdGordon|uniyou need to change MAX_ICON_HEIGHT and _WIDTH in apps/gui/icon.c
04:13:07JdGordon|univery easy to do
04:13:12saratogathis v2 firmware is actually more complicated then it looks
04:13:59dergrunepunktthe problem is the space between lines, right?
04:15:35JdGordon|unino
04:15:47JdGordon|unithe problem is the RAM that needs to be allocated for the images
04:15:59JdGordon|uniatm it only grabs enough for a full set of 24x24 images
04:16:35dergrunepunktand how the original firmware uses large icons?
04:16:47dergrunepunktless icons?
04:16:54JdGordon|unicompletly different
04:17:17JdGordon|uni48x48 is rediculously huge though
04:17:29JdGordon|unithat 24x24 is an artificial limit...
04:17:35JdGordon|unithats why you can change it
04:17:39dergrunepunkt24x24 it's too small
04:18:01JdGordon|uniits not set higher because 99% of users dont need such large images and it wastes the buffer whichh would be better used storing audio
04:18:37dergrunepunktthats a good point
04:19:01dergrunepunktstill, it would be good to have bigger icons ;)
04:19:18dergrunepunktr u a developer?
04:19:41JdGordon|uniyes
04:19:48JdGordon|unithe icons is my area :p
04:19:55dergrunepunktgreat!
04:19:57dergrunepunkt:)
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04:20:57dergrunepunktI have been using rockbox only for a few days, and I showed to my girfriend and that's the first comment she did
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04:21:38dergrunepunktthe original firmware uses big icons easy to distinguish
04:22:02dergrunepunkt(I have a sansa e260)
04:22:39JdGordon|unilarge icons wont look so good anyway because rockbox lines the icons up to the text lines... it doesnt center the text in the icon height like the OF does...
04:23:26dergrunepunktthats something I noticed, as I said before
04:23:42dergrunepunkthow much buffer the icons use?
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04:24:26JdGordon|uniin the grand scheme of things... nothing :p
04:24:49JdGordon|uni24*24*27*2*2
04:25:06JdGordon|uni62kb
04:25:20JdGordon|uni1/2 sec of low quality mp3...
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04:26:15JdGordon|unibut like i said... using large icons would be crap anyway because the text/icon alignement is wrong
04:26:20JdGordon|uniand not likely to ever be fixed
04:26:48dergrunepunktit's a shame
04:27:49dergrunepunktbecause in my personal opinion that's something that can be better
04:33:21JdGordon|unithere are bigger issues...
04:34:30saratogayeah unless you're willing to fix it, complaining doesn't do much
04:35:50dergrunepunktsaratoga: I kown what you mean, I collaborate in other projects (xen and xenman), and I'm not complaining, I'm asking
04:36:23dergrunepunktsaratoga: I if can help, and I can spare some time I will
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04:36:44saratogaJdGordon|uni: I just noticed you're my mentor this year
04:36:57saratogawe should talk about the project at some point
04:37:09JdGordon|uniyep, I was thinking the same :p
04:37:16JdGordon|uniwhat timezone are you in?
04:37:22fdinelhi
04:37:32fdinelI'm atomikpunk on the forums :)
04:37:37saratogaUSA east coast
04:37:56JdGordon|uni-7?
04:38:04dergrunepunktJdGordon|uni: I'm looking the code, I hope I can help with something
04:38:45JdGordon|uniwe are always welcome to more help :)
04:39:00JdGordon|unisaratoga: whens it supposed to start?
04:39:33saratogaJdGordon|uni: where are you again?
04:39:55saratogaapparently I am GMT-5 according to Windows
04:40:02JdGordon|uni+10..
04:40:09JdGordon|uni12.40pm here now
04:42:45saratogai think we have a couple weeks at least until its supposed to start, but i don't see any reason to wait
04:42:56JdGordon|uniyep, cool
04:43:17JdGordon|unihave you done anything with the motorola patch yet?
04:43:49saratogacan you review this post and let me know what you think? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14165.msg107383#msg107383
04:44:11saratogaJdGordon|uni: yes I've read through it and removed all the crap that was included by mistake
04:44:49saratogai'm curious about which phone i should be ordering
04:45:21saratogaand unfortunately blackhawk seems to drop off the face of the earth for weeks at a time so i can't ask him about the GPL situation for the libraries he seems to need to link against
04:45:54JdGordon|uniyou dead set on a linux based one?
04:46:05saratogais there another option?
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04:47:39saratogaregardless, i think merging in blackhawk's work is a great first step, even if we eventually decide to expand the project
04:47:56saratogahis fork of rockbox runs on a half dozen targets and seems surprisingly popular
04:48:08JdGordon|uniyep
04:48:16JdGordon|uniwhich post in particular in that thread?
04:48:29saratogathe last one on that page where he talks about the qte libraries
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04:48:53saratogai know next to nothing about linux programming, but it soudns like hes linking about some moto system library or whatever to get access to the device's buttons
04:51:04JdGordon|uniI dont know about the legal issues there...
04:51:20JdGordon|uniif hes using possibly leaked headers we could get into shit creak from commiting it
04:51:57saratogayes thats why i was wondering if i should avoid the targets using the leaked headers
04:53:07JdGordon|uniprobably a good idea :p
04:54:04saratogathough perhaps reverse engineering the few function calls actually needed for rockbox would be a good part of this project
04:54:28saratogashould be easy enough to find their entry points in the binary
04:54:41saratogasince id oubt we really require that many
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05:12:52JdGordon|unisaratoga_: also, it might be a workable idea to remove the notion of a simulator compeltly... the sim would then just be a RaaA built for sdl
05:13:10JdGordon|unibut using predefined screen/buttons
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05:15:22saratoga_JdGordon|uni: that'd be a cool idea
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05:34:18scorcheah..you did it?..i have been meaning to
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05:43:14JdGordon|unianyone know of anyone who has tried to compile rockbox in visual studio?
05:43:22JdGordon|unifor the sim obviously...
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05:44:33scorcheJdGordon|uni: good luck with that
05:44:55scorchedoes VC even compile C?
05:45:00scorcheVS even
05:45:01JdGordon|uniwell.. seen as it is all std c it should compile....
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05:49:47toffe82is there anything with the creative zen ? somebody change the page title, is it a joke ?
05:51:02JdGordon|unithe guy is obviously supid
05:51:03JdGordon|unistupid
05:51:09JdGordon|uniremove his wiki rights?
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05:53:05krazykitJdGordon|uni, i'd say so, if all he's gonna contribute is garbage like that.
05:53:20toffe82he is the one who create the page for the gigabeat S at the beginning
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07:15:23cpbillsregarding the sandisk e200v2 players, i read through the port thread; is it possible 'recovery' mode is only accessible when a corrupt firmware is present?
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07:16:13cpbillsi don't understand a lot of the embedded nature of things, so i have no idea if it's possible, but could the chip/rom/loader check the firmware and determine it's bad, then default to recovery... etc? just a thought.
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09:36:26*JdGordon wonders if he will get any testers this time around for the viewported quickscreen (minus any cunstomizability)
09:37:12JdGordonworks great if it all fits on the screen :) (no more staggering the side items)
09:37:32JdGordonalthough, not sure I like the icons on the outside... and apprenrly they wernt always there?
09:38:02amiconnmeh
09:38:32*amiconn still didn't have the time when he was around a computer with corel to sketch his layout idea
09:39:35JdGordondont take this the wrong way... but I'm not waiting for it anymore...
09:40:20amiconnMaybe it's easier to describe than to draw it...
09:40:50amiconnMy idea has the icons on the inside, btw
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09:42:59pixelmaJdGordon: btw. reading the logs - the one guy's Sansa problem was probably only that the automatic reboot into OF doesn't work from a running Rockbox and if you try it just hangs either on a black screen or even Rockbox's USB screen and needs a hard power off
09:43:28pixelmait doesn't work sometimes with some builds that is
09:46:07*amiconn will try to describe his idea anyway
09:47:33amiconn(1) Put he left and right items into one viewport each, which is 2 lines high, vertically centered (exception described later), and (LCD_WIDTH/2 - ICON_WIDTH) wide.
09:48:32amiconn(2) The viewport for the left item is placed at the left LCD margin, the one for the right item at the right margin. This leaves a gap of (2*ICON_WIDTH) at the centre.
09:49:23amiconn(3) Put the setting into the first line, and the value into the second line. Center both, unless they're too long, in which case they should scroll
09:50:14amiconn(4) For the bottom item, make 2 viewports at the bottom, which are 1 line high and (LCD_WIDTH/2) wide, side by side
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09:51:05amiconn(5) Put the setting into the left of those viewports, right aligned, and the value into the right viewport, left aligned. Again, they should scroll if they're too long for their viewport
09:51:54amiconn(6) Put the arrow icons into the centre (that's what the reserved space is meant for)
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09:53:05JdGordonlol @ (2), dunno about (5)
09:53:13JdGordonthe rest is bassically how it is now
09:53:30JdGordoniv added a margin between the side items so the icon could go there easily
09:53:46JdGordonand I dont like the side items centering the text
09:53:53amiconn(7a) (classic 3-option quickscreen) In case of a biig font and/or small screen, so that vertically centering the left & right items doesn't leave enough space below them for a complete text line, push them upwards so that there is enough space
09:53:57*Dhraakellian goes looking for the best way to update his e200's original firmware from Linux
09:53:59JdGordonits more obvious if they are aligned to the lcd side
09:54:51amiconn(7b) The concept can be extended to 4 options, but that obviously excludes the adjustment described in (7a)
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09:55:03JdGordonDhraakellian: why would you want to? but if you have sansapatcher it can do it
09:55:17DhraakellianJdGordon: curiosity, mainly
09:55:46amiconnJdGordon: I think centering would probably be good for the other extreme: small font and big screen
09:56:10amiconnIf the items are aligned to the lcd sides, they're far away from their associated icons
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09:56:58JdGordonnot in that case... the viewports dont take up the whole width/2... only as wide as the title + some margin in the extreme case
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09:57:20JdGordoneven if they are centered they would be a fair bit from the icons
09:57:27amiconnOf course you could move the icons outwards, but you would have to do this symmetrically for the left & right item
09:57:34JdGordonwhy?
09:57:44JdGordoni mean, symetrically why
09:58:19amiconnIt will look very unbalanced if one option is wide and the other is narrow if you don't keep the icons symmetric to the centre
09:59:10JdGordonwould it?
09:59:34amiconnI think so
09:59:43JdGordonmaybe we just make the width the wider of the 2 items, solves the porblem fine
09:59:48JdGordonand have the text aligned
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10:00:26JdGordonusing the (mostly valid) assumption that setting names are always longer than the setting values
10:02:02amiconnI wouldn't rely on this assumption, but determine the width using both setting and value
10:02:31amiconnHmm, but that might cause some jumping...
10:03:07JdGordonI doubt customizing the screen will ever be commited so that assumption is safe...
10:04:24JdGordonthe down arrow above the text looks funny :p
10:04:35*amiconn still has no real idea how to fix the quickscreen so that the quick method of operation will work again
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10:04:50amiconnThat's unrelated to the layout though
10:04:58JdGordon... its doable... but a bit tricky
10:05:13*JdGordon really should have got a ajbr from scorche while i was there :/
10:05:14amiconnYeah, it might need lots of context list entries
10:05:33JdGordonno.. I dont tihnk so
10:05:38amiconnFurther complication results from the 2 different quickscreens on recorders
10:06:30JdGordonyou can get the actuall button being pressed... it doesnt have to use actions..
10:06:36JdGordonactoin_get_button() or something
10:06:44amiconnThe F3 screen can't be operated as expected atm (i.e. it can't be exited with F3) even with the slow mode
10:07:38amiconnHmm, maybe 2 context lists will do the trick, one for quick, and one for slow mode
10:08:02amiconnThe quickscreen code would select the table based on a status flag
10:08:17*amiconn has to think about this a bit more
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10:12:02JdGordondoes dispay->mono_bitmap() ignore the viewport?
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10:15:18linuxstbIt shouldn't do...
10:24:55JdGordonstupid brakcets :( mono_bitmap is working fine
10:29:55JdGordonamiconn: http://imagebin.ca/view/H4CGRWe.html
10:30:17JdGordona bit of a hack is needed for the bottom icon when its only 1 line, but it works :)
10:30:53JdGordonthe margin between the icon and text on the side items needs to be wider on the sansa though
10:39:31pixelmaJdGordon: how is the vertical alignment of the side done? It *looks* a bit arbitrary
10:39:57JdGordonits pushed up from center a bit...
10:40:08JdGordonhaving it actually centered looks very odd on the sansa
10:40:50pixelmaa bit? What happens e.g. if I use a bigger font on the Archos screen?
10:41:01JdGordonabout to paste a screeny
10:41:22JdGordonhttp://imagebin.ca/view/1XYRC402.html
10:41:38JdGordonwored out slightly better than I thought it would actually
10:41:49JdGordonalthough those icons are probaly confuing
10:41:53JdGordonconfusing
10:42:02amiconnI think that as long as we don't go for a 4-option quickscreen, the left & right options should probably be vertically centered between the top of the lcd and the upper margin of the bottom option
10:42:04JdGordonthe bottom line is scrolling
10:42:41pixelmaJdGordon: that looks confusing and with viewports I don't see the need for it
10:42:41JdGordonthats close enough to how the alignemnt works now...
10:43:01amiconnJdGordon: I think the left and right items should never be staggered
10:43:14amiconnJust make the contents scroll if they would be too wide otherwise
10:43:21LloreanI'd agree with that.
10:43:31JdGordonI disagree but I'll try it...
10:44:23pixelmain that screenshot I wouldn't know what's left and right and where the options belong
10:46:31JdGordonthe icons need to be put on the value line if either needs to scroll
10:47:04pixelmawhy not have the arrow icons fixed in the middle?
10:47:09LloreanI wouldn't mind that.
10:47:30JdGordonactually... no, I can fiddle a bit more...
10:47:38LloreanA small central viewport that was << and >> on the top row, and a centered V on the bottom row?
10:48:31JdGordonyeah
10:48:38JdGordononly when needed though
10:48:41JdGordondinner time
10:50:27*amiconn is running his not-so-regular update-all-targets build round
10:50:57*pixelma discovered a weird bug (?) - tried watching a windows written m3u in the text_editor and the lines get cut off after the first \ (though everything is there)
10:51:45pixelmaas can be seen when trying to edit a line - the full path is there when entering the vkeyboard
10:53:22pixelmatext viewer handles it correctly
10:56:15pixelmahmm... actually it seems too be something else but doesn't look right still
10:56:37pixelmas/too/to
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11:03:26*amiconn likes the write-protect trick for suppressing the sansa database update
11:04:19*pixelma too :)
11:08:04JdGordonwhats the write protect trick?
11:08:54LloreanIf you write protect the database files, I think?
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11:09:57amiconnWrite protect the /SYSTEM folder
11:10:19pixelmajust write protect the system directory (didn't bother finding out which files exactly) and the OF database refresh only takes 2 seconds or so until the OF finds out that it cannot write to it
11:10:20amiconnThen the OF will complain that there's not enough space to update the database, and that's it
11:11:50pixelmaguess you wouldn't be able to listen to the music in the OF but who cares...
11:14:58*amiconn wonders what's up with the mailing lists
11:16:29amiconnNo single mail since monday
11:17:25LloreanMaybe we're just lucky?
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11:22:52JdGordonhows this? http://imagebin.ca/view/1k7W-ZA.html
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11:24:52*JdGordon not particularly happy with all the special casing going on thoughu
11:26:29JdGordonactually.. its not all that bad
11:26:29*amiconn thinks the quickscreen won't need much special casing
11:27:17JdGordonthat screeny look good?
11:27:35*JdGordon will clean up patch and chuck it on the tracker so he can work on his assingment for the next few hours
11:31:18amiconnI think the left & right options are placed too high
11:31:25amiconnOtherwise it looks good
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11:32:27amiconnImho the left & right arrows should also be centered to the left & right options
11:37:19JdGordon8553 is updated... please try it out...
11:37:42JdGordonthe arrows make it hard to read if they are sandwitched between the two scrolling titles...
11:37:56JdGordonand yes, they are too low in that pic, but dont want to move them too high up
11:38:29JdGordonthe items themselves I tihnk are good there, having the 1 line between them and the bottom item makes it easier to distinguish them
11:44:39amiconnWhat the heck should this weird wiki edit have meant??
11:47:55soapThe "brick" edit?
11:48:02amiconnyep
11:49:20soapOne can only pray it was an attempt to put a cute nickname on the large, rectangular player.
11:49:42soapBut that is probably stretching to find a "good" reason.
11:50:05soap*stretching in an attempt to find...
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11:58:34JdGordonhey barrywardell, thanks for that sync
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12:02:21barrywardellno problem. I had it mostly done already but was too lazy to finish it and post to the tracker
12:03:22barrywardelldo you think it should be committed? there's still the problem that it could make the bootloader too big to fit in IRAM and not work as a result
12:03:33JdGordoni wouldnt object :)
12:04:04barrywardellbut that only happens if there's a bigger logo than the default one
12:05:32pixelmawouldn't make me wonder if people tried to customise that too
12:07:26barrywardellthe solution would be to not try to copy the bitmaps to IRAM when the bootloader loads, but I think that would involve fiddling with .lds files which I don't understand
12:07:27JdGordonthe only thing I would change is fix apps/sources to only compile the rockbox iumage for bootloaders and not the others... if that makes a difference
12:08:25barrywardellJdGordon: it would only speed up compile time. still a good idea though
12:10:21Lloreanbarrywardell, JdGordon: Maybe hard-code a check on the .bmp size, and put a comment next to it saying "Tinkering with this can break your bootloader, and this can be very bad."
12:11:33barrywardellLlorean: the problem is that the size of bmp allowed depends on the size of the remaining bootloader. the whole thing has to be smaller than IRAM
12:11:53barrywardellmaybe we could check the size of the mi4 at the end and print a warning if it's too big though
12:12:51Lloreanbarrywardell: Maybe refuse to put the MI4 header on it if it'll be too big?
12:14:05barrywardellgood idea. I'll try to do that now...
12:14:16JdGordonthe other thing I wasnt sure about is having the background different in the bl and the main image... but I guess it could be good so if it does freeze we know in which binary at least?
12:16:10barrywardellJdGordon: the text changes too when we go from bootloader to main. I think it would be nice for the background to stay the same (either rockbox blue or black?)
12:16:24JdGordonblue
12:19:13barrywardellok
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12:22:07amiconnbarrywardell: Maybe the size check for the archos firmware can be used as an example
12:22:30barrywardellamiconn: ok, i'll look at, thanks
12:30:47*linuxstb votes black rather than rockbox blue for default
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12:33:18*amiconn votes rockbox blue
12:33:49barrywardellthe benefit of black is that it fits well with the default theme
12:34:01*markun votes for black
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13:00:04n1sugh, the calculator makes quite a bit of assumptions based on the archos recorder...
13:00:20LloreanWell it's a very, very old plugin.
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13:18:34Buscheljdgordon: what is thingy about?
13:18:57JdGordonNico_P has joined this channel (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP).
13:19:05JdGordoninstead of (n=AndreeBu@p54A3D341.dip.t-dialin.net).
13:19:48Buschelah, i am not very anonymous ;)
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13:20:14Buschelbtw, just found out that iPod OF does always enables the accessory power
13:21:33Buschel*enable
13:24:42Buschelhmm, great. after one-time booting OF rockbox doesn't start anymore. hangs in startup screen...
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13:34:53linuxstbBuschel: That would seem to help justify Rockbox having a setting... Is it enabled or disabled by default in Rockbox?
13:35:33Buschellinuxstb: disabled to save power by default
13:37:13SeedHi Buschel :)
13:37:21Buschelhi seed :)
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13:38:02xpitrhello.
13:38:26xpitrI have an question regarding compiling plugins for rockbox (sansa, arm processor) - would any gcc toolchain for ARM work?
13:38:49LloreanYou should use the recommended one, as per the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page
13:39:20xpitrwell, I've read it, but I wonder if other (for example devKitArm) would work
13:40:10linuxstbxpitr: The only one we know works is the recommended one (that's why it's recommended...). Feel free to try others, but my suspicion is that you'll be wasting your time.
13:40:11Buschelhmm, my build based upon r17294 doesn't start up anymore. based upon r17196 works
13:40:30xpitrokay, thanks, I'll just give it a try
13:41:39pixelmaBuschel, linuxstb: I just don't like having to tell people who report that their accessory doesn't work to check whether the setting is enabled or not
13:42:05linuxstbpixelma: I agree - I would enable it by default.
13:42:26Buschelmaybe there is still the option to detect an attached accessory via ADC −− i won't give up this one in the next days ;o)
13:44:27linuxstbMaybe the issue is that if there is no power to the accessory, it doesn't do anything to enable the ipod to detect it...
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13:45:07Buschelmaybe... but at least we do not know. and thus there is some room for re-engineering
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13:48:32Buschelnevertheless, changing the default setting is an easy job. if you are very concerned about it, i will change the default
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13:51:12Buschelmaybe I should change the setting to "Disable accesory support: yes/no"? more clarity about what it does
13:52:20linuxstbThat implies Rockbox supports accessories ;)
13:52:37Buschellinuxstb: at least some work :)
13:53:17Buschellinuxstb: additionally I could think about also switching off the line out then ;o)
13:53:21*n1s strongly favours the 'enable' type of settings over 'disable'
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13:53:33linuxstbI think "Accessory power supply" is a sensible name for the setting - it's accurate.
13:54:02linuxstbn1s: I agree. Any view about the default value though?
13:55:02n1slinuxstb: it's a bit tricky, but I think it should default to on because that is what people will expect
13:55:45Buscheldefault off: pro = everybody directly has the better battery life, con = users may complain the forums that their accessories do not work after update
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13:56:24Buscheldefault on: pro = notihng changes in terms of functionality, con = most users will not care about changing the setting to save power if they do not use accessories
13:56:36Buschel*nothing
13:56:54pixelmaBuschel: how much longer is runtime with it disabled though?
13:57:02linuxstbBut in a way this is a bonus power saving - i.e. something we do on top of Apple's firmware. We're obviously still doing other things wrong.
13:57:24Buschelpixelma: I only know about 5.5G 30GB -> 30-50 minutes
13:57:42linuxstbBuschel: Is that an estimate, or the result of a real runtime test?
13:58:21Buschellinuxstb: from real runtime measurements on my (pimped) version
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13:59:59barrywardellI've put an updated version of the bootlogo patch if anyone wants to take a look. FS #7977
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14:00:43barrywardellIt now checks the size of the bootloader produced and also doesn't build unnecessary bitmaps
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14:05:08linuxstbBuschel: So we should expect less of an improvement for users using standard SVN builds, and other formats to mpc?
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14:11:22Buschellinuxstb: thats pure math -> the setting saves 1.5mA. mp3-playback without WPS needs about 35mA (svn, = ~11.5h runtime) −− disabling power supply -> 33.5mA (=~12h runtime). the more efficient the codec is, there more additional runtime you will have.
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14:11:40Buschellinuxstb: for a 30GB with 400mAh battery
14:15:03Buschellinuxstb: the most efficients codecs will at least run @30MHz which equals ~31.5mA (=12.7h). without power supply these will run @~30mA (=13.3h)
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14:17:54preglowsounds weird that apple gave up on over half an hour of extra run time
14:18:09preglowproper accessory connector design might make that power supply switchable
14:18:30Buscheli've attached my special dock debug adapter and measured the voltage supply
14:18:47preglowbut in this case, i think the setting should stay
14:19:01preglowhowever, i do perhaps think the default should be "on"
14:19:59JdGordonI agree that it should default to having it powered...
14:20:27Buscheli will change it if i got my ipod running again :/
14:20:50preglowsomething wrong with it?
14:21:45LloreanIf the AppleOS can just leave it on, and get away with it, that means we're probably missing one other "major" power drain, right?
14:21:46Buschelseems i've had a crappy build. wish me luck -> rebooting
14:22:43Buschelyay! works again :)
14:23:28preglowhaha
14:23:29preglowgood :)
14:23:41preglowLlorean: deed, but we'll still get this one for free
14:23:51*Buschel feared he bricked his ipod with the debug adapter...
14:23:55preglowrockbox is more advanced than retailos, and always will be, so i think such a setting is appropriate
14:24:01preglowBuschel: debug adapter? :>
14:24:02Lloreanpreglow: Yes
14:24:43Buschelpreglow: just some hand-soldered adaptor to be able to measure all pin out of the dock :)
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14:28:39JdGordonviewported quickscreen adds ~500bytes to the rec v1 build
14:30:35n1sJdGordon: can we get rid of the nasty sysfont only strings with that?
14:30:56JdGordondone already
14:31:07n1s?
14:31:08JdGordondeprecates about a dozen strings
14:31:16JdGordoni mean.. its in the patch already
14:31:25n1sah, ok, that's great :)
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15:20:01JdGordonn1s: is this the right way to deprecate a string? http://pastebin.ca/1003880
15:20:48n1syeah, that works
15:21:38JdGordonwill that waste the littlest space?
15:26:13LambdaCalculus37That wastes very little space.
15:26:56n1syeah, the littlest you can without braking the format
15:27:45n1sbasically it's just two id bytes and two null bytes
15:28:04n1swhat's better is that it saves clips in the voicefiles :)
15:29:37JdGordonI guess once the rec screen is converted we can bump the lang version and reclaim all the SYSFONT_ space back
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16:01:34*Buschel will go and have some now, it's father's day! :)
16:02:02*Buschel of course meant "having some beer"
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16:02:18LambdaCalculus37Bye!
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16:13:44JdGordonhell yeah!
16:13:52JdGordongot it down to ~200bytes on rec v1 :)
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16:14:21LambdaCalculus37\o/
16:14:29Synergy66I have absolutely no idea what that means
16:14:35Synergy66But I just felt like being happy
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17:56:49barrywardelldoes anybody object to committing my latest bootloader logo patch? It's in FS #7977
17:58:52LambdaCalculus37I don't, but it's really up to the devs. :)
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17:59:38linuxstbbarrywardell: In principle, no, but let me look at the patch...
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18:00:04barrywardellOK, thanks
18:01:16linuxstbI don't understand why you need the MAXBOOTSIZE variable - IIUC, the linker script (if written correctly) should already mean you get such a warning.
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18:03:28barrywardellit doesn't seem to though
18:07:53barrywardellah, is it because boot.lds doesn't specify the length of IRAM?
18:09:19linuxstbI think so. I'm not an expert on lds files, but apps.lds has a MEMORY section, defining the start addresses and lengths of memory blocks - boot.lds doesn't.
18:09:35linuxstbYou probably also need to add "> IRAM" to each of the sections
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18:11:48barrywardellI'm just trying that now. I don't know much about .lds files, but I'll see what I can do
18:14:02barrywardellok, think I have that working now
18:14:19scorche|shapparently from #ipodlinux there has been some development on the 5g serial
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18:15:05linuxstbMore progress than LinusN made?
18:15:53scorche|shnot sure
18:17:14scorche|shi cannot remember LinusN's progress, but this is what i see in the channel: < rpress> Allright, I've got the 5G serial port working, TX & RX. If someone else wants to commit it to CVS that would be great.
18:18:04LambdaCalculus37Hmmm...
18:19:25*LambdaCalculus37 doesn't remember LinusN's progress on the 5G serial either
18:19:38LambdaCalculus37scorche|sh: We can always take a look at it when they finally commit.
18:20:04Lloreanhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8624
18:20:27LloreanIt sounds like it's got a bit more than just TX/RX
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18:20:53LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Thanks... kinda forgot there was a patch in Flyspray already.
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18:27:39barrywardelllinuxstb: thanks for the tip. Another update posted if you have a chance to take a look
18:32:54linuxstbbarrywardell: I've just noticed - the patch is just for the e200?
18:33:59barrywardellyes, for now. I can make the same changes for other targets easily
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18:36:11barrywardellfor pp bootloaders, it should be just a matter of defining HAVE_BOOTLOADER_LOGO
18:36:22linuxstbApart from ipods...
18:36:29barrywardellyeah
18:37:11linuxstbDo we need a new #define? If you moved the showlogo.c function to its own C file, then you could just do it on a bootloader by bootloader basis, without needing to add a new #define.
18:39:26barrywardelltrue, but then we can't differentiate between different bootloaders of the same type, eg. all bootloaders that use main-pp.c would have to have it enabled at the same time
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18:45:35linuxstbIs that a problem though?
18:48:12barrywardellMaybe not, I just though it would be better to have a choice per-target
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19:05:25barrywardellI'll commit the lds fix
19:05:30barrywardellanyway
19:05:50barrywardellis it just h10, mrobe, ipod and sansa that need it?
19:06:49LambdaCalculus37Those are the only PP targets that we have.
19:07:11barrywardellok, great. They're the only ones I want to change.
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20:03:19bluebrotheranyone with a h10 mtp around?
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20:05:46*LambdaCalculus37 looks at barrywardell and petur
20:06:37bluebrotherI'm wonderinf if the h10 mtp has a different USB PID if it's in ums mode
20:06:41bluebrother*wondering
20:07:03LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: Wasn't that listed on the DeviceDetection page in the wiki?
20:07:12*LambdaCalculus37 goes to confirm
20:07:13bluebrotherLambdaCalculus37: not exactly.
20:07:27bluebrotherthere's a 5G UMS and a 5G MTP around.
20:07:56bluebrotherI don't see an entry for MTP device in UMS mode (except for the 20GB)
20:08:58LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: Ahh. In that case, maybe amiconn or petur can get the USB PID; they both have the 5/6GB H10.
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20:11:51bluebrotherI'm also wondering why there is an entry for "5GB MTP" and "5/6GB MTP"
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20:12:15bluebrotherrbutil should be able to detect if the h10 is in mtp mode and inform the user too ... if it's possible
20:12:45LloreanThat would be nice.
20:13:06gevaertsbluebrother: you could get the configuration descriptor and use that
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20:13:43bluebrothergevaerts: it would be easier if the PIDs differ −− rbutil already can do that ;-)
20:14:12bluebrotherI'd need to figure out how to get those USB strings on w32 ... and I really hate w32api
20:14:21gevaertsbluebrother: of course, but if they don't differ...
20:14:39bluebrotherright. Let's hope they differ ;-)
20:15:13bluebrotherbtw, do you know how I can retrieve the device string on w32? It would be nice if I could show it to the user if an unsupported player is detected.
20:15:48gevaertsNo idea.
20:16:06*gevaerts doesn't know high-level USB APIs
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20:26:42n1sif I draw a rectangle with DRMODE_SOLID, and then try to put text with putsxy in DRMODE_SOLID|DRMODE_INVERSE the text is invisible... how should i do this?
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20:35:03linuxstb_bluebrother: Once gigabeast installation is added to rbutil, rbutil will have knowledge of attached MTP devices - so maybe that could help (if USB PIDs don't).
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20:35:40LambdaCalculus37linuxstb_: Ditto for the ZVM.
20:36:01*LambdaCalculus37 redirects that to linuxstb
20:36:05LambdaCalculus37:)
20:36:07linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: Does that also use sendfirm (or something similar)/
20:38:02LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: I believe mcuelenaere had mentioned using sendfirm to send a patched firmware as well.
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20:39:08LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: No, scratch that.
20:39:27LambdaCalculus37http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreativeZVMPort#Upload_Code_To_The_Player
20:40:41bluebrotherlinuxstb: in terms of we need MTP support for the beast?
20:41:00n1sah, I got it to work :)
20:41:13LambdaCalculus37n1s: Got what to work?
20:41:35linuxstbbluebrother: Yes.
20:41:56LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: For the initiall install, we need MTP support, correct?
20:42:37n1sLambdaCalculus37: the textdrawing I asked about
20:43:07linuxstbYes. On Linux/Mac, libmtp will do the job (I'm assuming it will be fine on the Mac), but on Windows I think someone will need to work out the native win32 MTP API.
20:43:57LambdaCalculus37n1s: Ahh.
20:44:18*LambdaCalculus37 is still working on the Gigabeat S manual
20:44:34LambdaCalculus37Can't do an install chapter without a finalized install method.
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20:46:25linuxstbIIUC, the Gigabeast install procedure will be 1) Upload firmware file via MTP (either a 100% pure Rockbox image - easy, or a combined OF/Rockbox image - harder, given the OF isn't easily available). This will contain the Rockbox bootloader. The user will then need to disconnect and reboot into the Rockbox bootloader, which will detect there is no rockbox install, and enter UMS mode.
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20:48:08bluebrotherwould we be able to install the bootloader on other mtp player via mtp upload?
20:49:27LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: We should ask mcuelenaere about the ZVM when he comes on. That's the only other MTP-only device that I can think of that we have a port in the works for.
20:50:03bluebrotherLambdaCalculus37: well, my idea was to upload the bootloader to players like the h10mtp directly −− without using the ums trick.
20:50:26bluebrotherbut I have no idea if this is possible with mtp. I don't know mtp and have no such device ...
20:50:47LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: I only have two MTP-only devices: my Gigabeast and my Dell DJ.
20:51:18LambdaCalculus37And the Dell DJ (whenever I can finally sit down and write code for) may work like the ZVM does in terms of patching the firmware and uploading it.
20:51:39LambdaCalculus37(Bootloader, I mean...)
20:51:45linuxstbbluebrother: I've no idea if that would work or not, but it wouldn't surprise me if it did.
20:52:40bluebrotherhmm, how does sendfirm work right now? Does it use libmtp / libgphoto2?
20:52:57*bluebrother heads to the svn checkout ...
20:52:58linuxstbJust libmtp I think.
20:53:24linuxstbBut libmtp works on top of libusb - which doesn't work nicely with Windows.
20:53:40bluebrotherdang.
20:53:49bluebrotherdidn't someone use sendfirm on windows?
20:54:31linuxstbYes, but it's not for end-users by the sound of what's needed to get it to work.
20:55:05bluebrotherhmm. That's not good :(
20:56:39linuxstbThis seems a good set of links for Windows MTP programming, but I don't have a Windows dev environment to try it out - http://connect.creativelabs.com/opensource/Wiki/MTP%20Programming.aspx
20:57:01linuxstbI tried getting it working with mingw (cross-compiling from Linux), but failed.
20:57:30bluebrotherhmm. That means we need another SDK from microsoft −− and I bet this won't work with MinGW
20:57:43linuxstbYes...
20:58:31linuxstbI'm sure it can be made to work with mingw - the problem I had was something to do with symbol names and leading underscore characters in the MS .lib
20:59:03bluebrotherhmm. Are we even allowed to link OS code with the MS SDK?
20:59:03linuxstbI found some instructions for how to fix that (modifying the lib), but couldn't get them working.
20:59:14linuxstbThat crossed my mind as well.
20:59:40linuxstbMaybe we'll just need a standalone installer (similar to sansa/ipodpatcher) to do the bootloader install.
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21:00:06linuxstbrbutil could even run it as an external app.
21:00:25bluebrotherpossible. We also haven't managed to include e200rpatcher up to now :(
21:00:31linuxstbBut we need to solve the technical problem of getting it working first.
21:00:46bluebrotheryep.
21:01:05bluebrotherhehe, googling for MTP has a irc log at the first page of matches ;)
21:01:29Lloreanbluebrother: e200rpatcher is still very awkward to use. Doesn't it require a device driver uninstall and reinstall in windows still?
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21:01:56bluebrotherLlorean: I don't know the details but it needs a device driver.
21:02:21LloreanIf I recall you install the device driver, run the patcher, this results in a change of vid/pid, after which you need to uninstall the device driver and reinstall a new one.
21:02:34*Nico_P tried out Microsoft's MTP SDK
21:03:03linuxstbLlorean: No, that was the old e200tool-on-windows method.
21:03:07LloreanAah
21:03:08Nico_Pone one fo my windows boxes, the example initator program was able to send a patched nk.bin to my beast
21:03:21linuxstbe200rpatcher just requires a one-time driver install
21:03:21Lloreanlinuxstb: e200rpatcher just requires a single driver install then?
21:03:26LloreanRight
21:03:58linuxstbNico_P: Nice. So you basically have a native win32 sendfirm?
21:04:46Nico_Plinuxstb: yes, but it's still very rough
21:05:05Nico_Palso it didn't work at all on another box
21:05:14*linuxstb waits for the beastpatcher commit
21:05:59linuxstbIs there any obvious difference between the two boxes?
21:07:08LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: So we're going to call it beastpatcher, then? :)
21:07:19LloreanI find it acceptable.
21:07:23linuxstbIf I say it often enough, the name will stick ;)
21:07:56linuxstbBut if it's going to work on the ZVM as well, then I guess not...
21:07:59Nico_Plinuxstb: the working one had wmp10, the other had wmp11
21:08:18Nico_Pproblem is I don't have access to those machines ATM
21:08:20linuxstbIsn't there different versions of the SDK?
21:08:38*LambdaCalculus37 figures the ZVM firmware patcher will be zenpatcher, then
21:08:50Nico_PI was using "mtppk12.exe"
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21:09:53LloreanNico_P: I've got a Vista machine ("native" MTP I hear) if you need me to test the windows beastpatcher at some point.
21:10:22shotofaddsI missed beer?
21:10:50Nico_PLlorean: unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to work on one anytime soon. maybe you could try building the test program though
21:11:20linuxstbshotofadds: I was referring to your nick...
21:11:21Nico_Palso I don't know anything about building C under VS
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21:11:45shotofaddsd'oh! sorry, I really am half asleep today :(
21:11:52shotofaddspossibly more than half
21:11:53Nico_PLlorean: I tried it with VS C++ express 2008 and it worked fine.
21:12:30LloreanI have an old copy of VS 6 somewhere. Well, I've got like four copies of it. When I was in school, every programming competition seemed to come with a copy of Visual Studio Pro.
21:12:44LloreanBut I guess Express is more modern, and is free?
21:13:22Nico_Pyes
21:13:28Nico_Pit might work with VS6 though
21:13:29Nico_Phttp://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=A2E73160-E862-4F19-BB26-C0CAFE798955&displaylang=en
21:13:50shotofaddswould any of the .Net libraries make MTP easier on Windows?
21:14:58Nico_PI don't know of any MTP code in the .NET libs
21:15:39Nico_Pthe link on http://opensource.creative.com/mtp_mssdk.html seems to have stopped working :/
21:16:17bluebrotherNico_P: so you used vs for building?
21:16:48Nico_Pbluebrother: yes. there is a VS solution file in the bundle and I didn't investigate very far
21:17:20bluebrotherunfortunately we can't build rbutil easily using vs −− some POSIX-like stuff is needed that's missing from VS :(
21:18:06Nico_Pmaybe it can be massaged into working with other envs. but I don't know this kind of stuff at all
21:18:10bluebrothermaybe I should get a sansa to have a player with MTP ...
21:18:35bluebrotherI'm wondering about the legal status too.
21:19:09bluebrotherif windows had an api like libusb ...
21:19:11LambdaCalculus37Am I reading this version right? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16691.msg124134#msg124134
21:19:43LambdaCalculus37This guy hasn't freaking updated since January of 2006!?
21:20:12LloreanNico_P: Looking at the license, I'm not sure we're allowed to distribute anything we create with that kit anyway
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21:22:45Nico_P:/
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21:23:52LloreanIt keeps repeating that you're only allowed to do basically anything along with your licensed implementation.
21:23:57Nico_Pmaybe we're allowed to use their code as inspiration though. I'm not sure whether we'd need to actually reuse any of that code
21:24:58Nico_Pfrom what I've seen, the win version of sendfirm would be much the same as the current version: send the file with the right typecode and voilà
21:25:38LloreanIs there an equivalent for getting a file?
21:25:41Nico_Pso if the equivalent of libmtp is included in windows, all we need is to use the right header files
21:25:41LloreanCan we dump the nk.bin first?
21:25:48Nico_Plet me check
21:26:20LloreanBeing able to build a dual boot image from files already on the player would be nice. :)
21:26:40Nico_Phmm actually I don't need to. MTP provides funcs to get files, but the player won't let you access the nk.bin
21:26:44Nico_Pit's one way only
21:26:58Llorean:(
21:27:15Nico_Pto retrieve a file you need its ID, and the one that is returned when you send the firmware file is bogus
21:27:53LloreanAh
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21:29:59Nico_PLlorean: do you have what's needed to build the initiaro example?
21:30:21LloreanNico_P: You said you just need VS Express?
21:30:28Nico_Pyes
21:30:57LloreanThen I could get what I need. I've downloaded the .exe for the porting kit, but that's it so far
21:31:11bluebrotherLambdaCalculus37: I've posted a reply to that thread ...
21:32:49LloreanAnd I've clarified the 1839 issue.
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21:35:16LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Thanks... it's been so long since I've seen Rockbox use CVS that I entirely forgot about the revisions being timestamped instead of revision stamped.
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21:42:38LloreanNico_P: Apparently I won't be testing it any time soon. VS Express refuses to install, it errors out after the pre-requisites install.
21:42:49*Llorean will prod at it some later
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21:46:09bluebrotherLambdaCalculus37: I figured the revision cause when I was out the room ... iirc we changed to svn only a bit more than a year ago
21:46:40bluebrotherbut it's quite funny how fast one gets used to it.
21:47:26*bluebrother thinks about making ipodpatcher aware of permission denied errors when opening the disc
21:48:04LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: Exactly. When I first started using Rockbox (2006-12-28), it was just about the time the project was switching over to SVN.
21:48:42LambdaCalculus37I had pretty much not seen the CVS revisions at all.
21:51:15bluebrotherI used cvs for quite a while. But anyway, we cleard that up so everyone is happy again ;-)
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22:03:19Lloreanbluebrother: Select+Play...
22:03:53bluebrotheroops ...
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22:05:46bluebrotherLlorean: dang, I should've realized that in the first place −− I do own an Ipod :o
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22:36:17mcuelenaereregarding rbUtil and MTP, I got some windows WPD API using C code laying around if you're interested ( http://www.verzend.be/v/1469257/WpdApiSample.rar.html )
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22:42:24amiconnLlorean: I doubt that it will be possible to build rockbox in VS these days
22:43:22Nico_Pmcuelenaere: do you know about the "MTP porting kit"? http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=A2E73160-E862-4F19-BB26-C0CAFE798955&displaylang=en
22:43:41amiconnWay back when we had separate win32 and X11 sims, it was possible to build the win32 sim in VS, but it broke at some point and support was removed way before we switched to sdl
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22:44:34amiconnNowadays rockbox is kind of tied to gcc, and removing this dependency will probably be very hard
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22:45:06mcuelenaereNico_P: I think I tried them all and few of Microsoft's SDK's worked; then I used the most recent vista WinSDK which got me this working implementation
22:46:48amiconnWho needs mtp support?
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22:49:55amiconnAh, yes, might be necessary for installation there :/
22:49:57*mcuelenaere hates these windows installs; they don't even tell you *where* they've copied their file to..
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22:54:53linuxstbmcuelenaere: You don't need to know... ;)
22:55:09mcuelenaerebweh, I gave up :)
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22:55:55mcuelenaerecould memory corruption on a DAP trigger rebooting? (context=DMA transfer which requires 32bit alignment, but I believe not all data passed to ata_read_sectors() is 32bit aligned)
22:56:18amiconnGood installs write a logfile of thier operations...
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22:58:12amiconnmcuelenaere: File data has no guaranteed alignment of course, so ata_read_sectors()/ata_write_sectors() are required to handly any alignment.
22:59:50mcuelenaereand the only functions who access copy_read_sectors()/ata_read_sectors() are disk.c and fat.c ? (without plugins etc)
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23:00:14amiconnThat's one reason not to use DMA for ATA on coldfire (the other is that the optimised CPU transfer is actually faster than DMA, and optimising DMA by using the auto-align feature doesn't work)
23:01:25amiconncopy_read_sectors() is only ever accessed by ata.c. The only reason why it's not static is that this function resides in an asm file for several architectures.
23:01:25mcuelenaereon the ZVM non-DMA and ASM-optimized ATA access are pretty slow
23:01:47BuddyLe1Hey guys I have a question/problem with Rockbox on my iPod Mini 2nd generation: when I plug it into my USB port it shows a USB plug on the screen, then one second later it shuts down and has to be manually reset. Does anyone know how to wipe it clean and start fresh, or why this is happening?
23:02:00mcuelenaereamiconn: yes I know, but the buf pointer passed to ata_read_sectors() is passed on to copy_read_sectors()
23:03:01mcuelenaereand I'm trying to work out why my DMA implementation doesn't work
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23:04:46amiconnata_read_sectors() is accessed by fat.c, disk.c, usb_storage.c and some bootloaders
23:05:32amiconnHow fast is "pretty slow"
23:05:33amiconn?
23:06:28bluebrotherBuddyLe1: set the player to emergency disc mode. The FAQ handles this.
23:06:38mcuelenaerehmm what's normal Rockbox loading time until it reaches the main menu? 10-15 seconds?
23:06:50mcuelenaerewithout the bootloader phase
23:06:54BuddyLe1Alright thank you bluebrother.
23:06:54amiconnThat depends *heavily* on the target
23:07:39amiconnI'd consider 10..15 seconds the maximum (including the bootloader)
23:08:16amiconnBut this is no reliable measure, as it depends on many details (settings)
23:08:49amiconnIf you have plugins working, use test_disk.c to measure read and write speed for various block sizes
23:09:13amiconn...plus the speed of some file system operations, like create/scan/open/delete
23:09:35mcuelenaereplugins aren't working yet because the key maps aren't done
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23:10:11mcuelenaereor is it possible to build some without?
23:10:27amiconnImho it would be better to try making things work first. Optimisation can be done later
23:10:29fxbhttp://paste.felixbruns.de/118 - 5G serial port. Anyone here who can test it?
23:10:44*amiconn remembers the first versions of the Ondio MMC driver
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23:13:38scorche|shfxb: i take it that you have seen this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/8624
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23:15:01fxbscorche|sh: nope.
23:15:50scorche|shfxb: not sure if rpress came here or there first, but /shrug
23:15:51fxbrpress posted that patch in our channel, but can't test it.
23:15:58fxb^^
23:17:35fxbi gave him a RAM dump yesterday.
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23:23:51plasticfiri installed Rockbox on my gigabeat F a few days ago
23:24:40plasticfirwhere can i find unsupported builds for the gigabeat? i looked at the forums but there was only 2
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23:25:14scorche|shplasticfir: we dont discuss unsupported builds here...as you can probably tell, they are...unsupported
23:25:22plasticfirhello?
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23:39:15fmlHello. WOuld it be ok to make scroll wheel move the cursor updown in the calculator plugin on sansa e200? (In addition to up/down buttons)
23:40:04fmlThis would also have the nice effect that you could fully control the cursor with arrow keys in the sim.
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23:40:20webguest61i have a question about an ipod
23:40:34webguest61i have a question about a 5th gen 30gig ipod
23:40:46linuxstbJust ask it.
23:40:54webguest61hello?
23:40:58n1sfml: sounds like agood idea to me :)
23:41:09fmlwebguest61: is this your question?
23:41:21webguest61sorry..internets being slow
23:42:05webguest61i installed rockbox for a friend. it work perfectly and everything. well she somehow managed to delete the ipod firmware. i cannot seem to get it back
23:42:15fmln1s: how would I implement it? Define CALCULATOR_UP2 for e200 and insert #idef CALCULATOR_UP2 in the event loop?
23:42:25scorche|shwebguest61: what happens?
23:43:13linuxstbwebguest61: Do you mean you don't know how to dual-boot and start the Apple firmware?
23:43:28n1sfml: something like that, yes
23:44:33webguest61the ipod updater wont read it and my itunes wont read it cause its not 7.0 or above. i cannot run itunes 7 for some unknown computer reason
23:44:53fmln1s: ok. He-he, then I'd make scroll wheel not just go up and down but wrap to the next column so that you can reach every button with just the wheel!
23:45:04scorche|shwebguest61: can you boot into the original firmware?
23:45:25fmln1s: like the torus mode in reversi.
23:45:43webguest61i know how to dual boot. she deleted it. i have no idea how. when i try to dual boot it just loops
23:46:10n1sfml: might, be nice, I don't have aby device with a wheel so i don't really know what is the nicest way to use one.
23:46:25n1swithout extra commas...
23:46:39*amiconn thinks that the calculator should make better use of screen space
23:46:57amiconnI.e. do away with "2nd" if all buttons fit on a single screen
23:47:22amiconnThe vkeyboard does this too
23:48:25fmlI'll prepare the patch when I get time. Bye!
23:48:29bluebrotherwebguest61: tried emergency disc mode?
23:48:42n1samiconn: I agree, also it should probably make some light viewport use
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23:50:13n1sUsing the UI font was only one step in making it more usable on displays with small pixels
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23:50:35amiconnOf course, if it makes layouting easier
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23:51:25webguest68is that holding play and select? yes it goes into disk mode but itunes wont
23:51:31webguest68read it
23:51:42n1ssome of the buttons can be removed anyway because all they do is print "Comming soon *_^" in the display (soon is obviously subjective :))
23:51:51bluebrotherwebguest68: well, if it's in disc mode you can manually restore the disc layout and firmware.
23:52:37bluebrothercheck http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodManualRestore
23:53:19webguest68need to restart. trying a fresh itunes install
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23:56:24*amiconn thinks those "coming soon" functions should rather be implemented than the buttons removed
23:56:34amiconn"soon" is overdue now...
23:56:44webguest75hi im the person with the ipod problem
23:56:53webguest75any ideas?
23:57:46scorche|shwebguest75: we gave you ideas...

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