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| 00:06:33 | n1s | hmm, there's a patch for x^y in the tracker but i doubt the poster tried it because he used pow() but didn't provide a pow function... |
| 00:09:24 | * | amiconn doesn't understand why calculator.c uses a separate variable for the exponent |
| 00:13:21 | amiconn | n1s: Well, the most important functions are obviously ln() and exp(). Once you have those, you can easily implement log(), 10^x, x^y etc |
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| 00:35:58 | saratoga | hmm i don't understand blackhawk's concerns about the headers he used to compile for the moto cell phones |
| 00:36:21 | saratoga | they appear to have been reverse engineered without access to any non-GPLed code, and are released under GPL license |
| 00:37:13 | linuxstb | Where are blackhawk's concerns? |
| 00:37:32 | saratoga | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14165.msg107383#msg107383 |
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| 00:38:16 | saratoga | although it might be a problem that the build tool needs a binrary lib file off the phone itself |
| 00:38:35 | saratoga | if its actually linked into the rockbox binary |
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| 00:40:01 | linuxstb | So these phones are based on qt/embedded, which isn't open source? |
| 00:40:10 | saratoga | its GPLed |
| 00:40:24 | saratoga | but moto apparently licensed it under proprietary terms and made minor changes |
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| 00:42:19 | saratoga | these changes were then reverse engineered to modify the qt GPL headers to work with the system libraries on the phone |
| 00:42:26 | saratoga | at least thats my understanding |
| 00:43:32 | linuxstb | And you're still interested in this target? ;) |
| 00:44:11 | saratoga | see http://lsb.blogdns.com/ezx-devkit |
| 00:44:25 | saratoga | linuxstb: well, it apparently works, so I'd like to get it merged into SVN |
| 00:45:02 | saratoga | how often does someone give us a patch that adds support for 5 or 6 new targets |
| 00:45:08 | saratoga | even if its a mess |
| 00:45:15 | saratoga | anyway, got to run |
| 00:45:20 | linuxstb | IMO, if we can't distribute the build environment, it's not worth incorporating in SVN. But maybe that's just me... |
| 00:45:34 | saratoga | well the build tools are GPL, so we can do that |
| 00:45:55 | linuxstb | But if it requires "illegal" header files, no-one can build it. |
| 00:46:24 | saratoga | the headers are legal, at least the author says they're reverse engineered and he licenses them under teh GPL |
| 00:46:27 | toffe82 | n1s: for the calculator, you can test is the user font is ok in size, if not use the system font |
| 00:46:35 | saratoga | i can't find anything about a leaked moto sdk, so I'm not sure what thats about |
| 00:49:32 | n1s | toffe82: yes, that's what I do |
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| 00:55:01 | toffe82 | n1s: I missed the line reading the diff ;) |
| 00:55:31 | n1s | heh, np :) |
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| 00:58:17 | toffe82 | n1s: a few month ago I tried to modified it the same way but I had problem when using different font, the result was not always erased completely |
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| 01:04:38 | linuxstb_ | saratoga: The whole thing just seems wrong to me - linking Rockbox to a library with a non-GPL compatible license (the Motorola version of Qte) would seem to violate Rockbox's GPL, regardless of the header situation. |
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| 01:11:09 | n1s | ok, exactly the same results as my ti82, i'm happy :) |
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| 01:47:18 | ordex | hi men |
| 01:47:25 | ordex | any info about divx on rockbox? |
| 01:47:27 | ordex | thanks |
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| 01:48:54 | n1s | ordex: it's not supported by rockbox |
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| 02:02:18 | ordex | :( |
| 02:02:24 | ordex | so noway for divx |
| 02:02:28 | ordex | an external plugin? |
| 02:02:30 | ordex | :/ |
| 02:02:53 | krazykit | not unless you write one. |
| 02:03:56 | ordex | mh :) |
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| 02:29:48 | bleaked | does rockbox support embedded cover art? |
| 02:33:49 | krazykit | no. details about album art can be found on the AlbumArt wiki page |
| 02:33:51 | scorche|sh | not currently |
| 02:37:15 | bleaked | also, i'm sorry if this is documented (just spent 20 min looking on teh wiki) but what is the most painless way to update rockbox without losing my settings or it overwriting my themes/fonts/etc.. |
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| 02:37:22 | bleaked | like is there a nice bash script i can use? |
| 02:38:40 | Nico_P | you can just unzip the new build |
| 02:38:40 | bleaked | ah, it's in the manual, not wiki |
| 02:39:00 | markun | bleaked: I usually do "unzip -o rockbox.zip -d /mnt/usb" and it works fine without overwriting any settings |
| 02:41:44 | bleaked | markun: hrm.. well, after doing that the rockbox bootloader informed me it could not find rockbox.ipod |
| 02:42:02 | scorche|sh | bleaked: then something went wrong.. |
| 02:42:15 | Nico_P | that's a sign of an out of date bootloader |
| 02:42:57 | * | scorche|sh deletes his question of whahich bootloader he is running |
| 02:43:02 | scorche|sh | which even |
| 02:43:32 | bleaked | ok |
| 02:43:45 | bleaked | well, what's the best way to update the bootloader? |
| 02:43:52 | bleaked | a fresh re-install? |
| 02:44:15 | scorche|sh | the manual will tell you |
| 02:44:18 | bleaked | this rockbox install is well over a year and a half old |
| 02:44:33 | scorche|sh | then yes...a new bootloader will do wonders ;) |
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| 02:50:50 | bleaked | ooh..this rbutil is nice.. extra points for qt |
| 02:54:09 | bleaked | however, it keeps saying my configuration is wrong.. the only thing i can see is the TTS engine settings.. but i have no idea what that is? |
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| 03:04:55 | saratoga | linuxstb: (for the logs) i'm pretty sure GPLed software can use non-GPLed OS libraries |
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| 03:25:23 | saratoga | JdGordon: around? |
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| 04:00:20 | JdGordon | saratoga: hey |
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| 04:03:42 | InigoMontoya | hello all, does anyone have any ideas on why the doom plugin crashes when set to rotate 90 degrees on a sansa e200? |
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| 04:04:14 | JdGordon | saratoga: hmm.. ok, ill be back in 30min or so... and then probabl not till sunday my time |
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| 04:07:20 | tkooda_ | is there a feature of rockbox that can prompt to delete files after playing them? |
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| 04:10:13 | saratoga | JdGordon: damn it |
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| 04:26:10 | tkooda | is it possible to log the PATHS to the files that I've played? (e.g. so that I can have a script delete them next time it's mounted via usb?) |
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| 04:29:37 | scorche | you can just make a playlist of the songs |
| 04:29:47 | scorche | m3u is essentially a list of paths |
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| 04:30:06 | tkooda | that won't indicate what I've actually played yet though |
| 04:30:37 | tkooda | scrobber.log appears to store id3 tag info (if it exists), not filename+path |
| 04:31:19 | scorche | just cot off everything after what you have played |
| 04:31:22 | scorche | cut |
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| 04:32:33 | saratoga | you could probably modify the source code to write a log pretty easily |
| 04:32:39 | scorche | you also might want to check out the Gather Runtime Data option for the database |
| 04:32:39 | tkooda | so I can't just play whatever I feel like at the time and have it log it? -I have to pre-emptively add the tracks to a playlist, play from that, and then remember which was the last one I played? |
| 04:32:48 | tkooda | I'll checkout GRD |
| 04:33:21 | tkooda | is there any way to prompt the WPS screen for a Yes/No between tracks? |
| 04:33:23 | scorche | as saratoga said, to implement such a logging would probably be pretty simple |
| 04:33:39 | scorche | why would we have that?...again, you could code something up |
| 04:34:22 | tkooda | I'm going* to try. I'm asking if there's some pre-existing interface for promting the user or something that I would want to leverage (so as to get the code accepted upstream) |
| 04:34:41 | saratoga | thats not going to be accepted |
| 04:34:57 | scorche | there isnt any valid usecase for that option in normal use |
| 04:35:07 | tkooda | a "prompt for delete after playing" option wouldn't be accepted? |
| 04:35:25 | scorche | i wouldnt think so |
| 04:35:45 | scorche | not to say that you shouldnt try...if you do, at least there will be a patch |
| 04:35:48 | tkooda | I play audio from rss feeds and want to indicate what ones I've played (so I can delete them next sync), or, even better, delete them right then |
| 04:36:23 | tkooda | is there another/suggested way to play audio from rss feeds (where you want to delete the audio after hearing it once) |
| 04:36:26 | tkooda | ? |
| 04:36:50 | saratoga | context menu and choosing delete |
| 04:37:00 | scorche | this is embedded programming...everything we add has an impact on our finite resources so things need to be looked at to see if it is really worth adding |
| 04:37:48 | tkooda | scorche, is it feasable that an option would be accepted upstream, but disabled by default at compile time? |
| 04:37:55 | scorche | it is 2 button presses away from deleting, so i do not think adding an option for an auto prompt would be justified |
| 04:38:15 | tkooda | perhaps I'm just unfarmiliar with the delete interface. I'll try again now. |
| 04:38:19 | scorche | that would unnecessarily add complexity to the code |
| 04:38:43 | scorche | if you make a patch, you can just put it on the tracker... |
| 04:38:44 | tkooda | debatable. (I believe the video player is more than I'd like on my device right now) |
| 04:39:20 | scorche | then ifdef it out.. |
| 04:39:49 | scorche | however the video player is a plugin....this does not add to the core (beyond API changes) |
| 04:41:17 | JdGordon | saratoga: im back |
| 04:42:51 | saratoga | JdGordon: do you use googletalk or some other chat program? |
| 04:43:15 | JdGordon | that and msn |
| 04:43:34 | saratoga | my account google address is mgiacomelli, could you add me? |
| 04:44:28 | JdGordon | if I knew how to :p |
| 04:44:41 | JdGordon | i use it in gmail only.. but thats pretty muych always open anwyay |
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| 05:34:48 | Rogue84 | having a problem installing rockbox |
| 05:35:11 | Rogue84 | I get this message when I run ipodpatcher in linux |
| 05:35:15 | Rogue84 | [INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/sda1 |
| 05:35:15 | Rogue84 | [INFO] Sector size is 4096 bytes |
| 05:35:16 | Rogue84 | [ERR] Partition layout is not an ipod |
| 05:35:39 | Rogue84 | any help please thanks |
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| 05:37:30 | tkooda | is it possible to charge a GB F40 (with current rb) via USB while playing? |
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| 05:38:27 | krazykit | tkooda, yes. hold the menu or a button while plugging in (don't recall which; check the manual to be sure) |
| 05:39:12 | krazykit | menu. |
| 05:40:12 | tkooda | excellent! thanks! |
| 05:41:34 | tkooda | the r17303-080502 is beautiful compared to the r15550-071109 I had before, btw. nice work guys |
| 05:42:06 | Rogue84 | Hiya |
| 05:45:33 | krazykit | tkooda, ah, so you're using the new Cabbie v2 theme, then? i agree, it really looks quite nice. |
| 05:46:29 | tkooda | krazykit, I think it kept my ajax theme (most readable technical info, IMHO) |
| 05:46:50 | tkooda | just the menus are more readable (e.g.: color + icons) |
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| 07:04:33 | goffa | hmm... rolo for giga... have to grab that |
| 07:08:00 | cpbills | what's rolo do? :/ |
| 07:08:14 | cpbills | what else can you load with it, i mean |
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| 07:13:58 | goffa | well i would assume you can dual boot original firmware and rockbox. |
| 07:14:12 | goffa | i guess i don't have a reason to do that yet..but good to know i can :) |
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| 07:18:12 | brent113_ | hey people, just curious if anyone knows the future of the sansa e200 usb development, will it ever be completed? |
| 07:18:18 | goffa | hmm... that didn't go so well |
| 07:20:01 | scorche|sh | brent113_: probably |
| 07:20:44 | goffa | grr.. i don't feel like taking this thing apart |
| 07:20:51 | goffa | compiled a new boot loader |
| 07:20:58 | goffa | maybe that was the wrong thing to do |
| 07:21:09 | goffa | either that or the rolo build is hosed |
| 07:22:07 | midgey | jhMikeS: around? |
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| 07:28:04 | goffa | hmm.. anyone remember the key combo for recovery mode on the gigabeat? |
| 07:28:09 | cpbills | goffa: gotcha... not sure if i have rolo, whatever the installer put on there for me, but i can boot to OF quite easily... |
| 07:28:47 | goffa | also.. you are supposed to be able to be able to click on different versions of firmware and boot them |
| 07:29:07 | cpbills | ah, gotcha |
| 07:29:21 | cpbills | try out bleeding edge firmwares, etc... makes sense |
| 07:30:17 | goffa | yep... its great except when you hose your bootloader like i just did :) |
| 07:30:31 | cpbills | urg... woops |
| 07:30:39 | cpbills | godbless recovery |
| 07:30:44 | goffa | yeah |
| 07:31:05 | goffa | its a pain though... |
| 07:31:27 | cpbills | better than having to get a new gigabeat, etc |
| 07:31:48 | goffa | indeed |
| 07:35:08 | midgey | jhMikeS: (for the logs) I think FS #8906 is SDL's fault |
| 07:35:51 | midgey | i loaded up the sim under gdb in os x and linux to see why it froze on the mac |
| 07:36:24 | midgey | it seemed to get stuck in switch_thread, specifically in the case SDL_MUTEX_TIMEDOUT |
| 07:37:48 | midgey | on mac, gdb reports the sim enters the while loop on line 302 and never exits. it just pings back and forth between line 302 and 303 |
| 07:38:18 | midgey | on linux, gdb reports the sim does not enter the while loop and continues on to restore_irq() on line 306 |
| 07:38:41 | midgey | i'm going to try updating sdl to see if the problem goes away. |
| 07:39:11 | midgey | right now i'm on 1.2.12 and i'm trying to upgrade to 1.2.13 (configure seems to be stuck...) |
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| 07:48:34 | goffa | yeah.. bootloader is broke on latest svn for gigabeat |
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| 08:02:00 | MSI | Hi, I had a quick question about using Rockbox on my 30GB 5th Gen iPod Video. Where exactly would I place my music for it to be able to read the database? It seems to have messed up when I tried doing so via my itunes library.I ended up having to restore the ipod. Any help would be wonderful, thank you. |
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| 08:06:50 | brent113_ | has it ever worked with that version of firmware? |
| 08:07:39 | MSI | I don't honestly know, as this is the first time I'm using it. The ipod firmware is v1.3 though |
| 08:08:02 | brent113_ | did you use the rockbox util and it downloaded the firmware for you? |
| 08:08:09 | MSI | yes |
| 08:08:22 | brent113_ | my friend just had a problem with that, the downloader downloads an old version |
| 08:08:34 | brent113_ | you need to manually download the newer one |
| 08:08:40 | MSI | well i just updated it to a new daily build |
| 08:08:53 | MSI | So I guess we will have to try that. |
| 08:08:54 | brent113_ | oh, so what's the problem again? |
| 08:09:51 | MSI | I don't know where or what folder to dump my music back into. I'm not fond of iTunes anyway so is there another way to add my music maybe something as simple as a folder called Music on root? |
| 08:10:34 | brent113_ | 1) don't use itunes, your ipod is now a usb device using a different database and 2) it doesn't matter what folder |
| 08:10:53 | brent113_ | use winamp or something, it doesn't really matter, just not itunes |
| 08:10:54 | MSI | so I could just make a music folder and it would go fine |
| 08:11:05 | brent113_ | you could dump it into root, a music folder, whatever |
| 08:11:10 | MSI | Ok thanks |
| 08:11:12 | brent113_ | i have mine in a folder named songs |
| 08:11:21 | brent113_ | hopefully that helps, i have a sansa |
| 08:11:27 | brent113_ | that's what i'm basing it on |
| 08:11:44 | MSI | I'll dump like 3 songs on and test it |
| 08:11:46 | MSI | ;) |
| 08:11:55 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Why do you need to fake IRAM on the beast at all? |
| 08:11:58 | MSI | I'll get back to you in a minute to let you know if it works out fine |
| 08:13:10 | midgey | jhMikeS: and if it's helpful, i've uploaded the gdb output from both sims (albeit with some differences in sdl, rockbox version etc) |
| 08:13:15 | midgey | http://pastebin.ca/1004658 |
| 08:13:33 | midgey | sdl 1.2.13 made no difference |
| 08:13:45 | amiconn | It should be sufficient to make sure that config.h lines 423..453 define all I*_ATTR macros as empty |
| 08:13:54 | amiconn | ...for the S |
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| 08:15:07 | MSI | can Rockbox not handle MP4a? |
| 08:15:15 | amiconn | And afaics it does that.... |
| 08:15:20 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it's only 16K and works for the time being. I'll evaluate later. |
| 08:15:40 | MSI | as the audio is jumping, and vocals are chimpmunked |
| 08:16:03 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I know that you don't use it. I mean you shouldn't need to fake it, as config.h makes sure no C code will require it |
| 08:16:17 | midgey | jhMikeS: those line numbers from earlier are in thread-sdl.c |
| 08:16:28 | jhMikeS | there's some cases of iram used in asm code |
| 08:17:08 | jhMikeS | right now it's more of a concern to get it playing music since that could happen from the next few minutes to the next weeks depending if I figure out the correct setup |
| 08:17:11 | amiconn | Hmm. In that case I'd rather ifdef the asm code. |
| 08:17:34 | jhMikeS | midgey: I'll have a look |
| 08:18:26 | amiconn | There are a few asm files where that's done, e.g. ata-as-arm.S |
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| 08:19:04 | jhMikeS | midgey: All I'm seeing is "Please Note: All posts are set to expire in 30 days by default now. You can change this in the drop down if you want." |
| 08:20:04 | jhMikeS | ah, clicking "Hide Menu" worked |
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| 08:22:37 | midgey | jhMikeS: i found the problem |
| 08:22:43 | jhMikeS | midgey: why is this about anyway? |
| 08:22:46 | jhMikeS | *what |
| 08:22:55 | midgey | nothing in your code, it's sdl's fault |
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| 08:23:07 | midgey | the simulator locks up in os x |
| 08:23:21 | jhMikeS | what part of sdl? |
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| 08:24:10 | midgey | specifically, SDL_SemWaitTimeout is broken |
| 08:24:26 | jhMikeS | hmmm |
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| 08:24:55 | midgey | seems to affect us when SDL_SemTryWait is called in thread-sdl |
| 08:25:33 | jhMikeS | things don't work too well if that's the case |
| 08:25:54 | midgey | i dont really know how the threading works, but this seems to be the issues |
| 08:25:55 | midgey | http://bugzilla.libsdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570 |
| 08:26:27 | midgey | i made that small fix, rebuilt sdl and installed and now the sim is working fine |
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| 08:30:12 | jhMikeS | yeah, I have a 1.2.11 source on hand and that little goof is there. Sem_TryWait is ok however |
| 08:30:23 | jhMikeS | *SDL_SemTryWait |
| 08:31:13 | midgey | so that change should have no effect on the problem? |
| 08:32:21 | jhMikeS | Actually, yes, if I used SDL_SemWaitTimeout to implement sleep and timeout blocks...one moment |
| 08:33:06 | midgey | you did, according to thread_sdl.c |
| 08:33:34 | jhMikeS | I just forgot :). The STATE_BLOCKED_W_TMO:/STATE_SLEEPING: cases. |
| 08:34:26 | midgey | i just thought i'd look into it before i left for a week so i can do some coding on my flight :) |
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| 08:35:10 | Buschel | good morning |
| 08:35:32 | * | Buschel did a runtime test with disabled line out on his 5.5G |
| 08:35:51 | Buschel | seems to give about 15 minutes additional runtime |
| 08:36:35 | Buschel | the line out is driving against 100kOhm from my yesterday's measurments on the dock connector |
| 08:38:03 | Buschel | I would like to add en-/disabling the line out to the accessory power on/off. anyone knows a use case where line out is needed without a accessory connected? |
| 08:38:11 | amiconn | 15 minutes is just measuing uncertainty |
| 08:38:25 | jhMikeS | there's an S/PDIF enable/disable so it makes sense to me to have an option |
| 08:38:46 | Buschel | amiconn: it's from the 90->10% runtime which is quite accurate over several measurements |
| 08:39:44 | amiconn | 100kOhm means ~10uA at 1V eff - that's neglectible |
| 08:40:00 | amiconn | I wouldn't waste an option for that - we already have too many options |
| 08:40:09 | Buschel | amiconn: i don't know what the amplifiers suck though (only when enabled) |
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| 08:40:24 | jhMikeS | what about transistor bias currents? |
| 08:40:38 | amiconn | The s/pdif enable/disable is only present on iriver H1x0, and makes sense there, because the LED sucks several mA |
| 08:40:52 | Buschel | my idea was to add en-/disabling to the already present accessory supply option |
| 08:41:07 | amiconn | The archos recorder also has s/pdif, but electrical, and we keep it always enabled there |
| 08:41:28 | Buschel | like: accessory on -> power supply pin13 + enabling line out. accessory off -> power supply pin13 off + disabling line out |
| 08:42:11 | Buschel | no additional option, as users would need to set both then |
| 08:43:19 | * | amiconn thinks Buschel is overdoing things in his quest to save power |
| 08:44:13 | amiconn | I mean, rockbox exceeds OF battery runtime on quite a number of targets, without using such extreme measures as disabling line out for a few uA |
| 08:44:14 | jhMikeS | nearly 100% of the battery usage must be just from self-discharge :) |
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| 08:46:08 | amiconn | So I think there's still something undiscovered on PP that allows to save a considerable amount of power |
| 08:46:31 | * | Buschel thinks even small steps add up to a significant result |
| 08:46:51 | Buschel | german: "Wer den Pfennig nicht ehrt, ist der Mark nicht wert." :) |
| 08:47:04 | Buschel | would be Cent and Euro now, of course |
| 08:47:34 | linuxstb_ | Buschel: But these are small steps that the Apple firmware doesn't do... |
| 08:47:34 | amiconn | Well, of course small steps add up, but then those small steps shouldn't reduce ease of use |
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| 08:48:28 | amiconn | Right now line out is plug-and-go, and imho that's _the_ advantage of having a line out (over having to use the headphone output as line out, which means having to adjust volume, treble, bass etc to all-linear) |
| 08:49:27 | Buschel | yes, but when connected to the already present setting there is no additional user interaction needed at all |
| 08:49:28 | jhMikeS | Ben Franklin: "A penny saved is a penny earned." :) |
| 08:49:54 | amiconn | Buschel: This accessory power option should go away of course |
| 08:50:15 | amiconn | Accessory should be powered automatically when detected |
| 08:50:18 | linuxstb_ | Buschel: What do you mean? There are lots of simple adapters to access the line-out, which I wouldn't class as accessories. |
| 08:50:58 | amiconn | Btw, could it be that the OF runs the accessory power converter in eco mode for detection, and switches to normal mode when it detects an accessory? |
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| 08:52:24 | * | jhMikeS would like a logic analyzer about now or should carefully go for the oscilloscope. |
| 08:52:49 | Buschel | linuxstb: that was one of my major questions. so, you say there _are_ accessories using line out which are not classed as such? |
| 08:53:24 | * | amiconn doesn't trust battery runtime changes of less than 5%, even if they're determined using the 90%->10% levels |
| 08:53:34 | scorche|sh | Buschel: i use line out on as many devices as i can...i use it to connect to a much higher quality amp then connected to my headphones |
| 08:53:50 | scorche|sh | it is the only way i listen, really |
| 08:54:19 | Buschel | amiconn: good point, but pin13 seems to drive against some kOhm within the iPod itself. ECO-mode would limit this to 5mA, the current now is ~1.5mA -- so below this limitation |
| 08:55:31 | amiconn | Maybe, if you're doing at least 10 runtime tests with a certain setting (preferably on 10 different devices of that target type), and then average the results. |
| 08:55:54 | linuxstb_ | Buschel: I have a simple dock which provides line-out, USB and firewire sockets. I don't think I would class it as an accessory. |
| 08:56:06 | linuxstb_ | I also have a "home-made" line-in/line-out cable. |
| 08:57:56 | Buschel | it is clear that the line out disabling in context of the accessory detec/setting makes no sense if there are such simple solutions availabe in the market |
| 08:58:12 | Buschel | *detect |
| 08:58:25 | amiconn | Buschel: Eco mode would at least make the converter itself consume less. If it's really some pull down resistor in the ipod itself, there must be another way to solve that (i.e. RE...) |
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