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#rockbox log for 2008-05-03

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03:37:03Kornfan71Are there any plans to make Rockbox's MPEG player compatible with MPEG-4 files?
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04:47:11MarkJaqueshi, does anyone here tried the e200tool on a sansa view?
04:48:48MarkJaquesI have 3 bricked views already...
04:51:47advcomp2019MarkJaques, the e200tool will not work
04:56:03advcomp2019i had a view that the force format caused it to stay in manufacturing mode
04:57:55MarkJaquesthat's what happened to mine.
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07:41:35bertrik_the gui_splash implementation prototype and the header file prototype are not in sync
07:42:20bertrik_the gui_splash implementation uses a const *unsigned* char *fmt, while the header file uses const *char* *fmt
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08:31:59Lollipophi all
08:32:23Lollipopon my gigabeat f, bass and treble settings dont work
08:33:14LollipopAnyone else have this problem?
08:33:27brent113_nope
08:33:45*Mouser_X doesn't use those settings.
08:33:49brent113_try updating to the latest stable release?
08:33:52Mouser_X(In other words, I have no idea.)
08:33:56Lollipopi just did
08:34:11brent113_don't use them?
08:34:11brent113_haha
08:34:24Lollipoplol, but its there!
08:34:26brent113_works fine for me, not sure why it wouldn't work for you
08:34:45brent113_you could try various archived releases i suppose to see if they work
08:35:07LollipopI'm at 17273 and that one works
08:35:20Lollipopthe latest daily build didn't work
08:35:32Lollipopnor did compiling my own build
08:36:19brent113_2008-05-02 05:27r17304: Working ROLO for the Gigabeat F/X
08:36:34brent113_that's from the changelog, looks like they were working on the gigabeat
08:36:43brent113_could've introduced a bug
08:37:07Lollipopat 17274, they did something with the audio
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08:38:35brent113_hmm i see that
08:38:40brent113_specifically to the bass
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08:40:07Lollipopbass and treble settings
08:40:11LollipopEQ doesn't seem to be affected
08:41:11Mouser_X:/
08:41:27Mouser_XIt looks like finding a new HDD for my Gigabeat S will be expensive...
08:41:37Mouser_XAt least, for anything exceeding 100 GB.
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09:25:34NewUserhello
09:25:47NewUserhello
09:25:48advcomp2019NewUser, hello
09:26:01NewUseri'm from germany, so sorry for my english
09:26:15NewUseri've got only one question
09:26:56*Mouser_X has many many many questions, but 99% of them are not Rockbox related. Thus, they remain unasked.
09:26:57advcomp2019what is your question
09:27:37NewUseri have an ipod nano, with the newest rockbox buit. and i buyied new headphones yesterday. now i want to know, how to get more bass.
09:27:54NewUserwhat must i do?
09:28:07Mouser_XMagic. Or you could try reading the manual.
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09:28:20Mouser_XOne of those 2 methods is likely to help.
09:28:58NewUserok. thank you.
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09:29:59Mouser_XNewUser: Try this - http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch6.html#x9-1000006
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09:30:05Mouser_XMissed...
09:31:46brent113_haha
09:31:49brent113_solid advice there
09:32:05brent113_personally the manual didn't help, i had to rely on black magic
09:34:49bertrikoh, you found something missing or an error in the manual?
09:34:50Mouser_XHeh.
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09:35:40Mouser_XMe? No. He asked about bass. I found a section that had the word "bass" in it, so I assumed it was the right one, and pasted a link to it here.
09:35:55bertrikhmm, the build seems to be hanging :(
09:36:01*Mouser_X noticed.
09:36:25Mouser_XNice job breaking it bertrik.
09:36:36*bertrik bows
09:36:42BHSPitLappyIt made shoes for orphans.
09:36:48BHSPitLappyNice job breaking it, hero.
09:36:56Mouser_XIt's better than I could have done. I don't even have commit access.
09:38:13bertrikactually all of the targets do have a new binary, it seems it's just the build table
09:38:25Mouser_XI was wondering about that.
09:38:47Mouser_XSo, the shoes are made, but they didn't tell anyone?
09:39:44BHSPitLappySomebody should write a Portal game plugin
09:39:58BHSPitLappyIt seems fitting, right
09:47:13brent113_o shi -
09:47:20brent113_portal on daps?
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10:48:50Jungti1234hello
10:49:22Jungti1234long time no see
10:49:40Jungti1234anyone?
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10:50:07Jungti1234hello
10:51:53linuxstbHi
10:54:30Jungti1234yep
10:54:43Jungti1234i have one question
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10:58:40Jungti1234how much size can read in text viewer?
10:58:59amiconnThe text viewer has no file size limit
10:59:13amiconn(except the fat32 limit, which is 2GB)
10:59:16Jungti1234ah, really?
10:59:20amiconnyes
10:59:26Jungti1234good
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10:59:58amiconnIt will load the text in chunks if it doesn't fit at once
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11:00:18amiconnBagder: ping
11:00:53Jungti1234ok, thanks
11:00:56Jungti1234bye
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11:37:45bertrikyay, build table works again
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11:50:48pixelmabertrik: and... gives you a bit of yellow... ;)
11:51:18pixelmashould 've waited a few seconds more :)
11:52:00bertrikI made some things a little more strict, but the yellow fix is being built now
11:52:13bertrik-but
11:52:51Bagderamiconn: yes?
11:53:14*gevaerts votes to just compile with -Wnone -Ewarn :)
11:53:20amiconnBagder: Wanted to point out the hanging build, which is fixed now
11:53:31Bagderah
11:53:43amiconnI'm curious what happened this time though
11:53:51Bagderlooks like it auto-killed itself
11:53:52amiconnThe auto restart didn't work...
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11:56:06*linuxstb wonders why Sansa put a backup battery for the RTC in the m200, but then doesn't display the date/time in the OF...
11:56:08bertrik17308-17310 finished building but did not show up in the build table. 17311 didn't get built at all, with 17312 things seemed normal again
11:56:25linuxstbs/Sansa/Sandisk/...
11:56:51gevaertslinuxstb: don't complain, just use it :)
11:56:53bertriklinuxstb: reference design told them to do it like that :P
11:57:32*gevaerts wonders if some drm schemes might need a working RTC
11:57:38amiconnbertrik: Your yellow fix should give a bit of green delta for the affected targets
11:57:53amiconnAlthough I wonder why ipod nano doesn't support lcd flip
11:58:08pixelmalinuxstb: are you sure that there is no "RTC mode" to be enter by having the hold switch on during power up and hold button X, Y and Z?
11:58:14pixelma*entered
11:58:15amiconnIt uses HD66789R, so the controller command is known
11:58:47amiconnIpod color is a problem though, as it can either have HD66789R or an unknown one
11:59:04amiconnH10 5/6GB will hopefully soon be able to flip the display
11:59:24*amiconn has too many incomplete code snippets laying around :(
11:59:25linuxstbgevaerts: Yes, I think WMA DRM requires it - it must be set via MTP...
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12:00:04bertrikamiconn: the green is nice, but wasn't really my intention :)
12:00:14gevaertsbertrik: don't admit that !
12:00:21*linuxstb should attach it to a windows PC and see if the clock gets set.
12:00:57bertrikoh, MTP has some kind of mechanism of setting the RTC?
12:01:06linuxstbI would assume so, as part of the DRM.
12:01:38*bertrik feels like the fixer of non-essential things this week
12:01:46gevaertsAFAIK WMA DRM has a time-lock feature
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12:02:38Lloreangevaerts: Oh, right, the "after 1 month it expires" thing.
12:02:46LloreanFor the rental services.
12:03:37gevaertsyes. I wonder how clock-tamper-resistant that is
12:05:20LloreanI guess one could guess based on whether any OFs let you *actually* change the RTC, or if they just let you change an offset the OF uses and leave the RTC under windows' control.
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12:07:50gevaertsYes, but the windows clock is under _my_ control
12:09:09LloreanThat being said, the Gigabeat supports WMA DRM, and you can reset its clock very easily.
12:09:37*gevaerts stops discussing drm. It probably is off-topic :)
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12:59:48linuxstbgevaerts: I would doubt WMP uses the Windows clock - I would expect it to get it via a secure connection to a server on the internet.
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13:00:43gevaertsThat would mean it requires an internet connection to sync a player
13:01:08linuxstbDoesn't it?
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13:01:17linuxstbIt wouldn't surprise me...
13:01:34linuxstbOr at least when first transferring DRM'd songs.
13:01:42linuxstbBut yes, we're getting off-topic...
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13:21:18JdGordonhas anyone tested out the quickscreen patch?
13:21:23gevaertsIs the cabbiev2.wps line '%?C<|%s%ac%?It<%Ia|%Fn>>' correct ?
13:22:24ZincAlloylooks like something is missing
13:22:29gevaertsI read that as 'if there is a next track title, show the next track artist'
13:22:57pixelmahe, a bit illogical to check for next track title abd then display next traxk artist
13:23:08pixelma*and
13:23:37pixelmaand *track too
13:24:41ZincAlloythis is what it's supposed to look like for the h300 port: %?C<%s%m|105|%al%?it<%it|%fn>|%s%ac%?it<%it|%fn>>
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13:27:43pixelmais there another line with "%It" in it? I could imagine that it makes a little sense for the else case in which it should show the next track's file name to avoid doubling information when you have a "artist - title" naming scheme
13:28:59gevaertsThere is one other line with %It, but that one is for the album art case, so they don't overlap
13:29:06ZincAlloyoh, yeah, that would have been the next track line. my bad. here it is: %?C<%s%m|105|%al%?It<%It|%Fn>|%s%ac%?It<%It|%Fn>>
13:29:48ZincAlloygevaerts: in what version did you find that odd line?
13:29:52gevaertsGigabeat seems to be a bit different. In case of album art it shows the next track info on a different line
13:30:10*gevaerts apologizes. he should have mentioned that he is looking at gigabeat f
13:30:28ZincAlloythat could make sense....
13:31:08ZincAlloydoes it work?
13:31:33gevaertsI haven't tested with album art
13:31:42gevaertsWhat is '%?C<|>' supposed to do ?
13:32:04ZincAlloydefine what happens if there is album art present
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13:32:26ZincAlloycheck out how the gigabeat version is supposed to look like with and without album art http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DefaultWPS
13:32:43JdGordonamiconn: pixelma: had a chance to play with the QS patch?
13:32:55gevaertsZincAlloy: I meant that literal line. Nothing else on it
13:33:22ZincAlloythough it still strikes me odd that it would check for the next track's titel and then display the artist...
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13:34:23ZincAlloygive me a second... I'm checking out the actual wps code
13:34:43pixelmaJdGordon: I didn't and my Archos target doesn't have a quick screen
13:35:06pixelmagevaerts: that line seems unneeded
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13:35:49pixelmaI believe Nico_P created the last version of the gigabeat cabbiev2
13:36:14ZincAlloyit's not unneeded...
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13:36:37ZincAlloybut somebody messed it up I think..
13:36:40ZincAlloya long time ago
13:37:04ZincAlloyI have a very old version on my computer and it has the same issue
13:38:51ZincAlloyit should check for artist, not title
13:39:11*JdGordon gets the feeling there isnt much interest in the damn patch :p
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13:41:12Nico_Ppixelma: I only tweaked it a bit
13:42:02ZincAlloysecond mistake in that line is %fn
13:42:52pixelmaNico_P: ok, didn't know exactly what you did and just thought you could know something
13:43:13ZincAlloyit needs to be changed to %D2
13:46:05ZincAlloythere's probably something wrong with the next line as well
13:46:41*gevaerts decides to let ZincAlloy work this all out
13:47:06ZincAlloywhat's the next line in your wps file, gevaerts?
13:48:50gevaertsZincAlloy: after the It?Ia thing ? '%?C<%s%ac%?Ia<Next: %Ia - |%?Fn<Next: %Fn|>>%It|>'
13:50:04ZincAlloyinteresting...
13:50:25JdGordonhttp://imagebin.ca/view/1rl1R-LD.html .... should the icons be closer to the text or is that good?
13:50:37JdGordonfor the side items i mean...
13:53:21*ZincAlloy is loading down a gigabeat sim now...
13:55:05pixelmaJdGordon: I'd think it would look better if the text was closer to the icons... (not moving the icons though)...
13:56:10JdGordonhow much closer?
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14:00:40pixelmathat probably depends on the display, e.g. it doesn't look that bad on the remote display (especially since you also have a bit of space between used display area and the casing on greyscale/mono displays. The issue for me is more the H300 display where the text is almost sticking at the border (especially because in real it's a colour display where you have a black frame around the used area of the display)
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14:02:32JdGordonyeah, agreed.. but we dont want them pushed off too far from the edge
14:03:05JdGordondoes the flip display optoin on the F3 QS change live?
14:04:39pixelmadon't know - but it changes live in the menu on my Ondio
14:04:51pixelmano
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14:05:03pixelmaconfused it with inverted
14:05:22pixelmathe flip doesn't change live
14:05:27ibycushi all, i've got a problem with my ipod video
14:05:27JdGordonok, good
14:05:43JdGordoneasy to change it to be live now thouhg if its wanted
14:05:45ibycussince i upgraded to the latest firmware, the rbutil program won't recognise it's there
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14:07:40ibycusit won't autodetect it, and if I choose mountpoint and type manually then try to do a complete installation it claims that "no ipods were found"
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14:11:04ibycusshould i try a manual installation, or is that a bad idea considering the automatic one failed?
14:11:30gevaertsIt's always worth trying of course, but I have no idea about what might be causing this
14:11:49ibycusit's weird because i've had rockbox on this ipod for ages before
14:12:00ZincAlloyoh.... the sim comes with a broken theme?
14:12:09ibycusi restored with itunes and upgraded to the latest firmware, now it wont recognise it's there :-S
14:12:13ZincAlloynow it's getting funky...
14:13:32ibycusthe only other thing i changed was the name of the ipod but i highly doubt that;s affecting it, i thought it had to be due to the new firmware version
14:13:44ibycusas in, apple firmware, not rockbox
14:13:57n1sibycus: do you have administrator/root privileges ?
14:14:09ibycuswell yes but I am not running rbutil as root
14:14:15ibycusthat was never necessary before
14:14:21ibycusi can try it now
14:14:27n1sto install a bootloader i think it is
14:14:55ibycuswell i'll try it, but it's saying no ipods detected rather than installation failed due to insufficient privileges or anything like that
14:16:13ibycusaha, seems to be working
14:16:14ibycusthanks
14:16:26ibycusodd though, i never had to run it as root befotre
14:16:32JdGordonpixelma: this look better? http://imagebin.ca/view/LHpFlU7F.html
14:17:05n1sibycus: it's only necessary when installing a bootloader because it needs raw disk access
14:17:06ibycusi get a themes not found error now but presumably thats completely unrelated
14:17:50n1sibycus: yes, that's because the ipod video themes were taken down because of bandwith issues iirc
14:18:08ibycusok, i remember this happeneing before, will they be up again at some point?
14:18:34ibycusor is there a mirror?
14:18:49ibycusor a torrent even maybe?
14:19:39Bagderthere's a new themes site in the pipe
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14:19:52*Bagder pokes scorche
14:20:03wintermute23Hi there.
14:20:27wintermute23How do I go about getting permission to edit the Wiki?
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14:24:15JdGordonany objections to comiting this as it is? (no customizability or top item)... we can tweak it if its needed, but I think its good...
14:24:21*JdGordon wants to get onto other things
14:25:49n1swintermute23: register in the wiki with your Real Name (tm), ask in here (and promise not to spam)
14:27:48BigBambiwintermute23: And deliver unto us your first born as security
14:28:14wintermute23You wouldn't want my first born.
14:28:21BigBambihehe :)
14:28:29wintermute23OK, I have registered...
14:28:44pixelmaJdGordon: yes looks better. Is every item in a viewport now? (unfortunately I have to go in a few minutes though, maybe it's not worth discussing now)
14:28:57wintermute23As RossThompson
14:29:05pixelmaJdGordon: I meant especically the side items
14:29:09JdGordonpixelma: yes
14:29:23JdGordonim gonna commit it now... the delta looks to be tiny :)
14:29:48BigBambiwintermute23: OK done. No spamming now... :)
14:30:00wintermute23Promise. :)
14:30:02wintermute23Thanks.
14:30:41BigBambino problems
14:31:24pixelmaJdGordon: then I could _imagine_ that it looks good if the left side item was right aligned in its viewport and vice versa (so they both have the same distance to the center). But I'm not sure and would need to actually see it.
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14:36:23JdGordonyeah, I thought about that as well... didnt want to change it too much from the old version though
14:40:01JdGordonarg.. that deltas not what I expected...
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14:43:08wintermute23There. I added my new theme to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300
14:43:27bertrikwaaa, I just saved about 100 bytes, now you add another 1000! :P
14:44:52JdGordonthe recorder .elf and .bin differenes were much smaller on my comp for some reason
14:45:40wintermute23OK, thanks for the help.
14:45:43wintermute23Bye.
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15:09:28*ZincAlloy is really confused now, as cabbiev2 works great on the gigabeat f sim, but not on the gigabeat s
15:15:47linuxstbZincAlloy: In what way doesn't it work?
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15:19:17ZincAlloylinuxstb: as soon as it tries to load a cover art file (l|50|35|140|140|) it shows the old default theme
15:20:12ZincAlloywhoops, that was supposed to read l|50|35|sc140|sc140|
15:20:54ZincAlloyd'oh... no idea why irc keeps messing up the text..
15:21:05Lloreans?
15:23:52ZincAlloythat was supposed to be a Cl tag...
15:27:02LloreanYes, but the wiki doesn't mention s as being a valid parameter, that I saw.
15:27:04LloreanWhat's it supposed to do?
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15:29:22ZincAlloyoh, that doesn't matter actually. I think it's from an old version of the bmp resize patch. it can be used instead of the c tag for some reason. no issues with that. I've tried it without s and c
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15:30:05LloreanAre you 100% sure you've tried it without the s? Since it's an unsupported tag, you really shouldn't be asking about WPSes using it here.
15:30:26LloreanAnd, are you sure there aren't any other unsupported tags somewhere?
15:30:28ZincAlloyyes. I'm 100% sure
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15:30:52LloreanWhy don't you paste the unworking .wps code to a pastebin then, for someone to look over?
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15:33:41ZincAlloythe theme's included with every build. it's cabbie v2 :)
15:33:59LloreanAre you saying the SVN version has these unsupported tags in it? That needs to be fixed...
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15:34:19ZincAlloyI wouldn't say they're unsupported. they're undocumented
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15:35:17ZincAlloyI think they have the same functionality as c
15:36:50*gevaerts apologises to ZincAlloy for getting him into this
15:37:31ZincAlloygevaerts: never mind :)
15:37:39ZincAlloyfascinating stuff
15:38:00LloreanZincAlloy: They're unsupported if they're not supposed to exist.
15:38:05LloreanIt should reject them.
15:38:56ZincAlloyin theory, yes :)
15:40:03LloreanWhy were they in it in the first place?
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15:41:48ZincAlloygood question.. I think I took a look at how other people implemented album art..
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15:43:16LloreanI find the WPS doesn't work with or without album art present, anyway.
15:44:37ZincAlloyyes. as soon as you include a Cl line in the .wps file, right?
15:45:13LloreanWell, I also noticed that any time I try to play back a song, the song seems to vanish off the disk.
15:46:13ZincAlloyseems?
15:46:22LloreanWell, the song isn't there any more
15:46:36LloreanBut i haven't done the investigation to figure out what actually happened.
15:46:48ZincAlloyodd, really
15:47:05LloreanYes. I would say don't worry about the WPS for the S until music playback works properly anyway
15:47:09LloreanIt should be identical to the F anyway
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15:47:30LloreanIf you're going to spend time on something, fix the errors in its tag syntax elsewehre
15:48:06ZincAlloysure
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16:10:03ZincAlloygevaerts: I fixed the wps file
16:10:07bluebrotherouch. Around 1000 bytes binsize increase only for converting the quickscreen to viewports?
16:10:29gevaertsZincAlloy: great :)
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16:11:42ZincAlloygevaerts: how can I send it to you?
16:11:49gevaertsdcc or email
16:11:58gevaertsor pastebin
16:12:20ZincAlloyemail
16:13:54gevaertsok. Did you get my address
16:13:55gevaerts?
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16:26:32gevaertsZincAlloy: thanks. committed
16:27:16ZincAlloycool. looking forward to the bug reports :)
16:28:22*gevaerts even tested it in the sim before committing :)
16:28:49*ZincAlloy did that as well
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16:54:43mcuelenaereNico_P: I try to make the ISP1583 driver cross-platform
16:56:06Nico_Phmm, I should have looked more closely
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17:18:20gevaerts\☺
17:19:36*gevaerts looks at r17327
17:20:01bertrikwe get signal!
17:21:11Nico_Pwoohoo!! \o/
17:21:16Nico_PjhMikeS: congratulations :)
17:21:21*Nico_P tests
17:21:35gevaerts\☺/
17:22:34linuxstb_ \o/
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17:24:17BigBambifuck me
17:24:19BigBambiooops
17:24:22BigBambiwrong channel
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17:24:33BigBambiI meant to say congrats in here, and that in the other :)
17:24:35cashello :-) - I would like to know If there is an PC application with gui to install Rockbox... I searched on wiki page but I didn't found....
17:24:47BigBambicas: It is called rbutil and linked from the manual
17:25:11casBigBambi: thank you, I will look at that :-)
17:25:19jhMikeSwhat's the deal with cabbie using the default WPS?
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17:26:06Nico_Pyeah, strange. probably a parse error
17:26:44linuxstb_Is there a checkwps for the S?
17:27:08*jhMikeS hasn't a clue about that
17:27:21Nico_Plinuxstb_: no idea
17:27:30*linuxstb_ answers his own question - yes.
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17:30:28Nico_PFailed parsing on line 15 : unexpected conditional char after token 2: "Unknown token"
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17:31:50Nico_Pha, easy
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17:38:33CasainhoI did created a new TWiki page, the "RockboxPlayerPrototypeDevelopmentTools" - but I now think that it should be under "RockboxPlayerPrototype" page... how can/could I do/did that?
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17:46:28BigBambiCasainho: I think you need a wiki admin such as Bagder to move/delete pages
17:46:58CasainhoBigBambi: okok... I will wait to someone do that move... thanks.
17:47:05linuxstb_Casainho: Do you just want to set "RockboxPlayerPrototype" as the parent of your new page?
17:47:25Casainholinuxstb_: yes, is that...
17:47:38BigBambiah, OK
17:47:40linuxstb_Then just click on "more" at the bottom of "RockboxPlayerPrototypeDevelopmentTools" and change it
17:48:05BigBambiI isunderstood what you wanted
17:48:11BigBambi*misunderstood
17:48:20n1scongrats jhMikeS! truly great work :)
17:48:40XavierGrjhMikeS: Congratulations, did I miss the "gentlemen we have sound" mail? :)
17:49:52Casainhodone! Thanks :-) :-)
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17:53:49saratogaanyone here familar enough with the gigabeat S hardware to give me advice on fixing a broken screen?
17:54:33krazykittoffe82 would be your best bet :).
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17:55:36XavierGrThe gigabeast is indeed the loudest target rockbox has (at least it is more loud from all other targets I own)
17:56:13saratogatoffe82: around?
17:56:15AceNikhey guys, anyone thought of kind of using an interface like flash on rockbox, kind of makes the whole thing a little less cpu intensive & more organised
17:56:25Nico_Pwow yes it's *loud*
17:57:04AceNikfor a fact the ipod nano2 uses flash, its fast & the benefits are it can be customised easily
17:57:05Nico_PAceNik: using flash would make the interface *less* CPU intensive?
17:57:37saratogathe nano doesn't use flash
17:57:43Nico_Pyou mean flash as in adobe's flash ?
17:58:08AceNikNICO: thats what i belive, since flash would already load a part of its core ont he ram, & others will follow easily, saratoga ?
17:58:34AceNiksaratoga: thats what i think it does ?, a flash menu, otherwise that kind of an interface is not possible
17:58:50saratogai don't think you know what flash is
17:59:02Nico_PI agree with saratoga
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17:59:15jhMikeSXavierGr: no mail sent. just thought I'd get to the point. :)
17:59:19AceNikok guys then ? what do you think ?
17:59:29Nico_Pthere is *no way* a flash interface would be less CPU intensive than what we have currently
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17:59:54saratogai think your idea is both physically impossible and really bad
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18:00:08Nico_Pmy guess is that there wouldn't even be any cpu left to decode music
18:00:12AceNikNico: it can be, if a part of the files loaded onto ram
18:00:21AceNikok my bad then i guess
18:00:27Nico_PAceNik: that argument doesn't make sense
18:00:43AceNikNico: but then is it possible to code soemwhat an interfae like flash with rockbox
18:00:57gevaertsAceNik: I think you should try to explain what exactly you want to do, not things like 'like flash'
18:01:42gevaerts'like flash' is either unwanted or extremely vague
18:02:03AceNikhow do i work on the interface with rockbox, what kind of files control the main menu, other than themes i cant see any other way, how can i change the menu structure etc
18:02:06XavierGrI know my ears are faulty but this is the only target that I can't listen to it on full volume (on earphones of course). It's starting to hurt at -10db!
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18:02:52*gevaerts hands XavierGr new ears
18:03:01linuxstb_AceNik: You need to edit the source code (Rockbox is written in C)
18:03:20AceNiklinuxstb: which files
18:03:26*XavierGr tries to reattach the new ears.
18:04:18linuxstb_AceNik: Do you know how to program in C?
18:04:38AceNiklinuxstb: yes a little bit
18:05:26Nico_PjhMikeS: you're not planning on working on the keymap, are you?
18:05:51linuxstb_AceNik: Then you should just download a copy of the Rockbox source, and start familiarising yourself with it. If you have specific questions, I'm sure people will help.
18:07:07AceNiklinuxstb: i have the source, have gotten fmailiar with it since quite a while, been patching my builds for my h10[20GB]
18:07:14HorschtXavierGr, wow.
18:07:30Horschti listen to my music at -20db, and that's loud, imo
18:07:49Horscht(my music is mp3gained, so also quieter than usual
18:08:00bertrikHorscht: on what target?
18:08:11HorschtIpod Video
18:08:21*Nico_P is at -50 dB on the beast right now
18:08:24Horschtbut does that realy make that big a difference?
18:08:55Horschtor am I not interpreting that number correctly?
18:08:56AceNiklinuxstb: i want to be able to create a patch or a new interface where the main menu, structure, can be customised along with the theme, currently we dont have that, also menu renders different fonts & styles than the wps, also a menu, that has loads of sub menus as different pages or something
18:08:56bertrik0 dB is the maximum level that would not distort for a full-range signal on a particular target, doesn't really say much about loudness
18:09:06jhMikeSNico_P: I planned on just passing the buck on that one.
18:09:16Horschtoh, i see now, bertrik
18:09:16XavierGrHorscht: I am not known for my sensitive hearing. :) Right now I am watching elephants dream at -20db on the gigabeast
18:09:16Nico_PjhMikeS: I think I'll have a go at it then
18:09:39Nico_PjhMikeS: btw, are doom and rockboy supposed to work?
18:10:07n1sNico_P: it is very good to have a nice keymap early so that people don't get used to a bad one and start complaining when it changes later :)
18:10:34bertrikit seems a lot of plugins have their own mapping, is that right?
18:10:43Nico_Pn1s: I agree. I think I'll start making it a bit more like the F's keymap if noone objects
18:11:24XavierGrBagder you need to update the current rockbox builds with one more target. :D
18:11:58n1sNico_P: go! (have never used an F though) :D
18:12:07linuxstb_XavierGr: We need an installation method first...
18:12:11AceNikSo if the gigabeat S is kind of ready, will it work ont he zune too ?
18:12:29n1sAceNik: no
18:12:31Nico_PAceNik: it would if someone knew how to run code on a zune
18:12:39jhMikeSNico_P: I made a keymap for the remaining stock plugins but mostly a cut & paste of the F ones (anything "A" = "Play")
18:12:50n1swhat Nico_P said ^ :)
18:13:00XavierGrlinuxstb_: ah yes it is a bit tricky at the moment
18:13:03AceNikbut from what i read ont he forums, both the players have the same hardware
18:13:27krazykitAceNik, read again. they're similar, but not the same. there's also the issue of trying to run custom code on the zune.
18:13:28n1s AceNik: yes but we can't run any code on the Zune
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18:13:37jhMikeSsame chips or literally the same connections?
18:13:41Nico_PAceNik: the difference is that the Zune's firmware encryption doesn't have the same hole as the S'
18:14:35n1sjhMikeS: I don't think anyone knows but I would expect it to be very similar connections because of same chips + same manufacturer + approx same size
18:14:42AceNikNico: the processor security thing ?
18:15:31AceNikNico: so its till someone figures how to crack the whole encryption thing ?
18:15:59Nico_PAceNik: AFAIK the firmware is digitally signed to prevent homebrew execution. on the S that scheme had a hole, but that hole is plugged on the zune
18:16:20Nico_Pyes, that's it. same thing as with the recent ipods
18:16:21toffe82saratoga: you have a broken lcd on a S ?
18:16:27n1sNico_P: do you know the details of the hole and the exploit?
18:16:41saratogatoffe82: yes I got ripped off on ebay
18:16:51BigBambijhMikeS: Are bass and treble implemented yet?
18:16:58Nico_Pn1s: not really, but it's all in mknkboot.c. ZunePet and ptw419 were the ones who found the exploit
18:17:02saratogai'm wondering if I should buy a bricked gigabeat and try to swap screens
18:17:03XavierGrsaratoga: how much did you pay for it?
18:17:11toffe82it is difficult to find a lcd and buying from toshiba it is 140$ I think
18:17:18saratoga$90
18:17:23Nico_Pn1s: the port thread probably has details too
18:17:23*krazykit has a dead S with a working LCD
18:17:29XavierGryeah rip-off :(
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18:17:54jhMikeSwe need this HW eq stuff straightened out to enable that on the 'beast
18:17:58toffe82try to find one that say message on the screen contact the manufacturer so you are sure that the screen is ok
18:17:59saratogatoffe82: think i could take the LCD out of this unit: http://cgi.ebay.com/Toshiba-Gigabeat-30-GB-White-MES30VW-Needs-Repair_W0QQitemZ300219723208QQihZ020QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ?
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18:18:12saratogaah good idea
18:18:33saratogakrazykit: interested in selling it? (or interested in buying the parts to fix it)
18:18:36toffe82I was looking this one but they don't say if the screen is working
18:18:37BigBambijhMikeS: OK, I guessed not (I just tried to increase bass and the volume changed, but not the bass that I could tell)
18:19:02*BigBambi is dead chuffed with this
18:19:07krazykitsaratoga, yes, which is why i mentioned it :)
18:19:53toffe82saratoga: this one seems to be working http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=110248678947
18:20:22saratogayeah i'm also looking at that one
18:22:40toffe82jhMikeS: How did you find for the sound ?
18:23:19saratogakrazykit: sent you a message
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18:23:33mooshi there
18:23:43jhMikeStoffe82: disassembly
18:24:02moosjhMikeS: w00t !
18:24:20krazykitsaratoga, i didn't recieve a /msg. are you identified on freenode?
18:24:28saratogano i'm not
18:24:29toffe82jhMikeS: nothing with the tracing ? to difficult ?
18:24:32saratogamaybe you could messageme?
18:24:58toffe82does somebody as the email of low_light ?
18:25:01XavierGrkrazykit you can turn on messages for unidentified people
18:28:06linuxstb_toffe82: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-05/0129.shtml
18:29:05toffe82thanks
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18:38:24saratogahas anyone run test_codec on the gigabeast yet?
18:40:54n1shmm, the beast isn't mounting and lsusb is reporting it as "Toshiba Corp. Gigabeat S (mtp)" in the bootloader usb mode
18:41:00*Nico_P thinks he has a nice keymap
18:43:07moosgo go go !
18:44:49jhMikeStoffe82: I recally mentioning that part of the board seems broken. other stuff was traceable wrt codec hookup (to verify the connections).
18:45:27toffe82one thing on the S, it support the remote BUT, the same contact is also the video output, so it must be checked before use
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18:47:27jhMikeSHP detect isn't really right anyway and hence dealing with the remote. some buttons show the sense we're using for headphone detect goes hi or low depending on the remote button pushed.
18:48:20toffe82jhMikeS: what I am syaing is that there is a switch to select either the contact as remote or video output
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18:48:39Nico_Pwhich should be stop: long PLAY or short POWER or both?
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18:50:08linuxstb_Just short POWER IMO
18:50:12jhMikeSI personally prefer long play
18:50:18linuxstb_;)
18:50:28BigBambishort power for me
18:50:29markunjhMikeS: great job on the beast!
18:50:32toffe82jhMikeS: the max9505 make the switch
18:50:39jhMikeSI really dislike setups that use the same button for stop and to back out of menus
18:50:42Nico_Pshort POWER is what we have on the F
18:50:57*BigBambi is fan of cross target consistency
18:51:08Nico_PjhMikeS: to back out menus I've set the BACK key (and LEFT works too)
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18:51:39BigBambiand given I use the F everyday at the moment, I rather not have a few minor yet annoying quirks between them
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18:52:53jhMikeSchange the F :)
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18:53:49XavierGryeah I have to vote short power for consistency with other targets
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18:53:51linuxstb_jhMikeS: And many other targets...
18:53:58*jhMikeS wants a replacement for that awful "window" key
18:54:24Nico_PI think I'll set it to short power. of course we can still discuss this later on
18:54:35*jhMikeS begrudges consistency when he doesn't like what's consistent
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18:55:13*BigBambi likes to be able to pick up any of the targets and once he knows which button is which, they act consistently
18:55:16Nico_PjhMikeS: I don't really see what's wrong with power... it's never been used to back out of menus AFAIK
18:55:38jhMikeSit's like the stop on power on e200 where stopping playback or power off from a certain menu back out of the menu
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18:56:05jhMikeSNico_P: depends if the target is short on buttons
18:56:10*jhMikeS supposes
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18:58:04saratogato be honest i've been using the e200 for a year and I still don't understand the nauances of its buttons
18:58:43*BigBambi thinks pixelma should commit her c200 changes. The svn keymap is *horrible*
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18:59:15saratogais there an e200 button that goes back to the WPS?
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19:02:29n1shmm, my gigabeast bootloader paniced with "Unhandled IRQ -1"
19:03:07jhMikeStry again. it happens to me at times
19:03:43bertriksaratoga: yes, the play button does that (top button)
19:03:51*Nico_P committed the keymap change. please try it out :)
19:03:53jhMikeSNico_P: it's just that having stop on the S be power puts one playback control way out the way of all the others
19:04:28Nico_PjhMikeS: they're all on the right hand side now
19:04:28bertriktook me a while before I discovered the quickscreen on my e200 :)
19:05:09*jhMikeS has to charge the beast for awhile
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19:09:25XavierGrstrange the beast skips frames on elephants dream (320*240) in certain scenes
19:10:08saratogai assume all the display hardware acceleration isn't implemented yet
19:10:32BigBambiIIRC it is running at 50% CPU too
19:10:57jhMikeSI think there's 1) core voltage issues (the current ATA driver just loads up 100% cpu) that cause those spurious interrupts 2) no dma of any sort yet
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19:11:32Davide-NYCHello all!
19:11:33jhMikeSassembly code also needs to be written to keep the piplines full
19:11:38XavierGrnice to hear that this thing has more juice in it
19:11:52BigBambiIt is a beast :)
19:12:07BigBambi532 MHz, FPU, hardware display acceleration, ....
19:12:26Davide-NYCwhat target are you guys talking about?
19:12:31XavierGrgigabeat s
19:12:32saratogai'm betting it breaks a 1000% playback speed on MP3 easily
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19:12:46Nico_Psaratoga: test_codec?
19:12:47BigBambigigabeat S aka gigabeast aka the beast :)
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19:12:55Davide-NYCat what point is the porting?
19:13:07Nico_PDavide-NYC: audio playback came just today :)
19:13:09BigBambiSince a few minutes ago it plays sound
19:13:14saratogaNico_P: yeah
19:13:19Davide-NYCCRIPES! Buying one.
19:13:22gevaertsSo it's now entirely done :)
19:13:22Nico_Pimpressive
19:13:30Davide-NYCCongrats!!!
19:13:37saratogai'm speculating (I don't have a working gigabeast yet)
19:13:46*BigBambi points at jhMikeS for praise
19:14:11*XavierGr praises jhmikes that tamed the beast!!
19:14:15Nico_Psaratoga: ah, right. I'll try to test a bit later
19:14:24saratoga2000% might be possible if anyone felt like putting the ARMv5 DSP asm into the decoders
19:14:25*Davide-NYC has been lavishing praise on jhmikes for years and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
19:14:31saratogathough maybe thats just silly :)
19:14:50*Nico_P takes his beast shopping
19:15:10gevaertsCan the beast run doom without interrupting playback ?
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19:15:26saratogait should be able to, theres no IRAM problems
19:15:27Davide-NYCquestion: does anyone have an opinion on the DC offsett seen in recordings made by sansa C2x0 targets?
19:15:43n1ssaratoga: rockbox is being ported to other targets that can use arm v5 instructions :)
19:15:54Nico_Pgevaerts: last time I tried, doom didn't work
19:15:56jhMikeSdoom uses the audio hardware though
19:16:01saratogan1s: yeah but they're all too fast to care about mp3 optimization i think
19:16:14jhMikeSand the buffer
19:16:14gevaertsIt could go via a mixer
19:16:27gevaertsNico_P: that might be an issue :)
19:16:33saratogaoh i was assuming he meant with the doom sound disabled
19:16:34BigBambipulse?
19:16:40n1ssaratoga: faster -> longer batterytime so imho it's still a good idea
19:16:57BigBambigevaerts: You going to port pulse audio then? :)
19:17:05jhMikeSthere's a whole new DSP instruction set to use too :)
19:17:15saratogan1s: i doubt the difference between 800% and 1200% realtime really helps with battery life much
19:17:33*gevaerts reminds BigBambi that he doesn't have a beast ;)
19:17:37saratogathough it will be welcome for mpegplayer and faac
19:17:46BigBambigevaerts: Otherwise, no problem :)
19:18:25gevaertsBigBambi: there might be other reasons as well :)
19:18:26n1ssaratoga: there are a few decoders that aren't that fat like mac for example
19:18:46saratogaah yes MAC
19:19:27saratogathe S has the VFP extensions right?
19:19:33n1syes
19:19:43saratogaare they FP only or can they do Integer ops in vector too?
19:19:47jhMikeSVFP + SIMD
19:20:17jhMikeSand Java as well in case we want to go there ;)
19:20:22n1sthe SIMD stuff is standard in v5 and higher, right?
19:20:34saratogaits not stardard in any arm flavor i think
19:20:59saratogathough the dsp stuff might be standard in v5 or v6
19:21:34jhMikeSjhmikes.cleansoap.org/DDI0211J_arm1136_r1p5_trm.pdf">http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/DDI0211J_arm1136_r1p5_trm.pdf
19:22:35saratogaohh pipeline diamgrams
19:23:42n1sah, SIMD is standard in v6 and the dsp stuff came in v5TE
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19:26:10markunjhMikeS: have you looked into USB on the beast yet?
19:26:54jhMikeSmarkun: we have bl USB mode now :)
19:27:09*linuxstb_ thinks markun has some catching up to do ;)
19:27:58gevaertsjhMikeS: for user friendly USB I guess we need to hot-fix the bootable flags and the visibility of the first partition. Is there more ?
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19:29:52jhMikeSgevaerts: not that I know of? changing them was all that's needed for linux, correct?
19:30:01gevaertsYes
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19:30:34*jhMikeS wonders about just adding a filter layer (for more reasons than just that)
19:30:53*gevaerts worries about complexity
19:31:41gevaertsThis is all just sector zero, which is simple to do. A real filter layer would also allow exporting part of a block device, so you need remapping
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19:31:59jhMikeSIt would be kept neatly out of the way so no lines of code would be added for other devices. like read/write_sectors_filtered which just map to nonfiltered versions on other targets.
19:33:20*gevaerts looks at the source to get an idea of the complexity
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19:36:09*gevaerts finds that it's complex enough to get disconnected
19:36:24mooshehe :)
19:37:30gevaertsjhMikeS: it's probably simple enough to be doable. It just needs a different block_count at the start of handle_scsi() and an offset in the ata read and write functions
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19:38:12jhMikeSwell, as far as "complexity" goes, I don't think I'm holding back on this port. the lcd driver will need to be able to use multiple framebuffers in order to use the IPU+graphics functions and so nothing will get in the way of using the hardware fully.
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19:39:28gevaertsOf course doing the remapping the easy way will get you a partitionless device, i.e. only the filesystem.
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19:41:33*gevaerts is thinking about the best way to handle this. We always need the data partition, we sometimes need the firmware partition, and we rarely need the entire disk
19:41:35jhMikeSI'd like to hide the bootloader partition unless it's intended to be displayed
19:42:20linuxstbCouldn't we just make the partition table read-only, and fake the partition type so OSes don't mount it?
19:42:39linuxstbi.e. keep the geometry the same.
19:42:48gevaertsThere are two ways to do that : (1) export only the data partition (i.e. a smaller block device), and (2) make the partition of type '0' (empty).
19:43:19jhMikeSas long as it's done without actually modifying the disk itself I"m happy
19:43:25gevaertsIf we go for (2), I suggest that we also fake the bootable flags
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19:44:05gevaerts(2) would be purely in software. The beast doesn't boot if you try to do this on disk
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19:45:13gevaertsWhat happens if we patch the partition table in transit and the user runs fdisk ?
19:48:28gevaertsMy proposal would be to have three modes :
19:48:32jhMikeSas in changing the partition table we're filtering? I had though about it and it will have to be watched and cached info kept synced.
19:48:58gevaerts(1) (normal mode) Only show the data partition, remapped so the host sees nothing else
19:49:39gevaerts(2) (bootloader upgrade mode) Show both partitions, remapped as two LUNs so the host sees two disks, but still no partition table
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19:49:52gevaerts(3) (expert recovery mode) Show the entire disk
19:50:21gevaerts(3) is implemented now :)
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19:51:55jhMikeSof couse we know users will insist on abusing (3) just to do nasty things to the disk and cause endless support headaches :)
19:52:18linuxstbgevaerts: That's what I meant with "make the partition table read-only" - i.e. any attempt by the host OS to repartition will fail.
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19:52:42gevaertsThe user will of course need to type 'Yes, I know what I'm doing' on the rockbox virtual keyboard :)
19:54:41gevaertslinuxstb: we need to either make it fail silently (i.e. ignore the write), or return an error. Returning an error will be nasty, and I don't like failing silently as I don't know how different OSes will handle that
19:54:43jhMikeSThe correct answer is of course "no" which then shows the whole disk.
19:55:39linuxstbgevaerts: Why would returning an error be nasty?
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19:56:06gevaertslinuxstb: the host will see that as a normal write error, i.e. a bad sector
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19:56:44gevaertsAFAIK you can't just say 'this is read only' without saying it for the entire disk
19:57:15linuxstbIs this the right list of error codes? http://www.miditemp.com/english/scsiec.html
19:58:41gevaertsIt looks about right. There are more, but I think most OSes actually ignore the exact error
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19:59:21*gevaerts refines his proposal. Combine (1) and (2) and always show two disks, only usually the firmware disk is ejected
19:59:31linuxstbI would be interested to know how OSes deal with them... e.g. DATA PROTECT would seem applicable.
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20:00:11webguest16hey im having some issues with rockbox on my e200, its with the sound settings
20:00:35webguest16hello?
20:00:45linuxstbwebguest16: Just ask your question.
20:00:55advcomp2019webguest16, what kind of issue
20:02:01jhMikeSNico_P: the keymap seems to work nicely
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20:02:10gevaertslinuxstb: It would be the applicable one, but from my reading of the specs it still applies to the entire medium
20:02:30bertrikpff, he left already :(
20:02:52Nico_PjhMikeS: thanks
20:03:18saratogawhat happens if someone formats the firmware partition? would it require an ata adapter to fix?
20:03:30Nico_PI don't think so
20:03:37n1sNico_P: I like it too, everything so far is as i expected them to be :)
20:04:35Nico_Psaratoga: I think the player would just ask the user for a new firmware
20:05:16gevaertsWhat if someone formats it as ntfs or hfs+ ? Would it still recover from that ?
20:05:33*gevaerts thinks of actual c250 recovery support questions
20:05:47Nico_Pfrom what I've understood so far, it would reformat it and ask for an update
20:06:12saratogaso it sounds like protecting the firmware partition isn't a big deal
20:06:38*Nico_P warns he hasn't verified his claims
20:06:40linuxstbSomeone should test ;)
20:07:26*jhMikeS elects toffee82
20:07:45*linuxstb was going to vote for GodEater, as he isn't here
20:07:53saratogaif you can just repartition and reinstall rockbox, it seems like protecting the firmware partition beyond hiding it by default is silly
20:08:04*jhMikeS forgot to use tab completion again :0
20:08:40jhMikeSno passwords?
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20:09:12gevaertssaratoga: hiding by default is fine, it's just that this requires lying about the partition table which _may_ cause trouble if the host writes to that
20:09:13linuxstbsaratoga: It's not just a safety issue - the firmware partition is just a normal FAT32 partition (which isn't normally visible with the OF), so it could confuse users to see it.
20:09:37linuxstbDoes the OF refuse to boot if we change the partition type?
20:09:47linuxstb(of the firmware partition)
20:09:54gevaertsYes
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20:10:09gevaertsSomeone tried, I don't remember who
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20:10:39gevaertsThat's the main reason (IMHO) to not just fix it on the disk
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20:15:06Mouser_XI realize I'm a little late, but AWESOME NEWS! on audio for the beast!
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20:15:25Mouser_XjhMikeS: Thanks! Now I need to get a bigger battery...
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20:16:42n1sjhMikeS: any reason not to turn low battery shutdown on now that battery reading works?
20:16:56jhMikeScorrect battery capacity selection will be important since changing is software controlled and uses current sense (though the current PM code isn't very friendly to what has to be done)
20:17:17jhMikeSn1s: maybe get some idea of the correct curve first?
20:17:58n1sok, will do a battery bench
20:18:12gevaertsI think some kind of abstraction layer between UMS and ata_* would be a good idea anyway. Once that's done it will be easy to experiment with all sorts of wild ideas
20:20:27jhMikeSgevaerts: I plan on a full DMA ata driver and possibly DMA-ing usb transfers (almost) directly to the disk. Would anything preclude that?
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20:21:38jhMikeSthe disk debug screen needs to show more than PIO modes nowadays
20:22:17gevaertsjhMikeS: depends. Direct transfers from the usb controller to the ata controller won't work with the current architecture, but you get a 16k block of RAM that either has to be filled from disk or written to disk
20:22:30gevaertsHow you do that disk transfer is up to you
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20:24:37*gevaerts isn't sure if direct ata-usb transfers would be allowed. It's not clear what should happen if a USB transfer doesn't complete
20:25:28Mouser_XI say "If transfer doesn't completel, detonate the device."
20:25:42Mouser_XAt least this way it's clear as to what happens.
20:25:56jhMikeSthe DMA is a RISC-core based programmable controller so it's not the usual setup
20:26:53BigBambiThis thing really is mental
20:26:55gevaertsFor reading direct ata to usb transfers should not cause any correctness issues
20:28:23gevaertsOn the other hand, I don't think it's actually possible to do device to device dma with the iMX31 usb controller.
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20:36:35jhMikeSgevaerts: true, I don't see it in the SDMA event list
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20:37:03spotUPi am sure this question gets asked all the time, but i am confused =)
20:37:11spotUPdoes rockbox work on this:
20:37:12spotUPhttp://image1.play-asia.com/170/5z/pa.107687.1.jpg
20:37:16spotUPipod yet?
20:37:29spotUPi used and loved it on my old ipod, but it got stolen grr
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20:39:02spotUPhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NsNZqZ6ECI
20:39:12spotUPthat video seems to suggest it does?
20:39:43spotUPhmm nope
20:39:48spotUPwrong nano
20:40:27n1sthat's a 3g and rockbox doesn't work on it
20:40:38spotUPaha
20:40:48spotUPanyone working on 3g support?
20:41:01spotUPis it possible?
20:41:13n1sno ones working on it
20:41:21Mouser_XPossible, yes. Working on it, no.
20:41:34spotUPok too bad :/
20:41:39Mouser_X(In other words, it can be done, but no one has any idea how to yet.)
20:41:44spotUPaha
20:41:50faemirspotUP: apple refurb have some of the old gen nanos afaik
20:42:03spotUPi think i'll wait
20:42:17faemirDon't hold your breath.
20:42:17spotUPsomeone hack it one day =)
20:42:22spotUP+will
20:42:23Mouser_Xpatience is a virtue which spotUP seems to have.
20:42:33spotUPindeed =)
20:42:41spotUPi am an amiga user, i used to waiting
20:42:47spotUP+am
20:42:47Mouser_Xlol
20:42:57spotUPi am skipping words today haha hung over
20:43:25spotUPdoes rockboys support hively tracker yet?
20:43:34spotUPhively tracker is a tracker me and a friend did
20:43:41spotUP( www.hivelytracker.com )
20:43:54spotUPit's an enhanced ahx clone
20:44:05spotUPif that means anything to you guys =)
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20:44:28Mouser_XNo idea. I've never heard of it. I assume this means no.
20:44:30spotUPhahah wtf rockbox=rockbox
20:44:45spotUPuhm
20:44:48spotUPi give up =)
20:44:51orang1What state is USB hosting/"on the go" at? I would like to connect a usb keyboard to my sansa e200.
20:45:04Mouser_Xorang1: None whatsoever.
20:45:16Mouser_XUSB transfer is still being worked on.
20:45:31Mouser_X(Let alone host.)
20:45:34gevaertsorang1: as far as we know the e200 does not provide the required 5V for usb host
20:45:48orang1So that compatability would not be possible?
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20:47:29gevaertsMaybe it's possible if you find an external 5V supply, but even then I'm not sure if the usb signals get there
20:48:14Mouser_XThat'd be interesting. A battery powered USB keyboard.
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20:48:34orang1I would like to help work on USB transfer and usb on the go, is the guide for writing plugins a good place to start?
20:48:44gevaertsNot really
20:49:11orang1The source carries battery powered usb keyboards, the membrane ones.
20:49:58gevaertsThe keyboard doesn't need to be battery-powerd as-such (it probably does, for other reasons). The problem is that the usb bus itself needs 5V
20:50:10Mouser_XAh...
20:50:22*Mouser_X was unaware of this limitation.
20:50:41Mouser_XWhat about Llorean's wonky USB hub that seems to provide power to the host?
20:50:56gevaertsThat one might work :)
20:50:59Mouser_X(That is, IIUC, that's what it appears to do.)
20:51:18Mouser_XHeh. That'd be fun to play with.
20:51:27Mouser_X(In this usage, that is.)
20:51:35Nico_PjhMikeS: what percentage is the DAC driver at?
20:51:50Nico_P(I'd like to update the beast port wiki page)
20:54:41spotUPbye!
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20:59:54Delaneyrock box doesnt work with 6g does it
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21:00:10saratogacheck the front page
21:00:20saratogatheres a handy list there
21:01:12Delaneyguess not
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21:02:06*n1s battery benches
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21:02:45n1sbets are on!
21:02:54*n1s bets 10h
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21:09:27bertrikspeaking of battery bench, I think it needed fixing because it uses a soon-to-be-deprecated ata_disk_is_active function
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21:19:38n1sbertrik: don't we have some kind of callback system for when the disk is spun?
21:19:43*Nico_P wonders why there aren't any playback bug reports ATM
21:19:54n1sNico_P: very odd :)
21:19:55Nico_Pn1s: we have one
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21:20:05Nico_Pn1s: I've seen a few
21:20:37Nico_PI need to go visit the forums
21:21:02n1sI got some very short crackling in track transitions on my h300 once in a while the last couple of weeks but it is so unreliable now that I can't test
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21:21:34Nico_PI plead non guilty on that :)
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21:21:56n1sit was the lovely "happens sometimes" kind :)
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21:34:35bertrikn1s: yes, I think the idea is to install an ata_notify_idle callback (or something similar named) to notify the battery bench plugin when the disk is spun up and done with other (main) tasks. In this callback we can flush the battery measurements buffer. At least that's what I think is supposed to happen.
21:34:43Falco98so...
21:35:02Falco98since when do the forum mods just go in and remove messages at random from threads?
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21:36:53Mouser_XDepends on a few factors, but I always thought it was "This is new?"
21:37:14Mouser_X(As in, haven't they always done that? :P )
21:39:30n1sFalco98: i hardly think they do it at random
21:40:45Falco98meh
21:41:13bertrikn1s: I may have a look at battery bench tomorrow when jdgordon has woken up (I think he asked for volunteers :) )
21:41:33Falco98i was following a slightly-divergent (but not o/t) undercurrent in a long thread last night, and today i've found that the posts pertaining to that have been obliterated without warning or explanation
21:42:15*gevaerts finds the thread in question...
21:42:23gevaertsHow was that not off-topic ?
21:42:32n1sFalco98: which thread?
21:42:36*gevaerts also adds that he was not the deleter...
21:43:43Falco98the rockboxPlayer thread
21:43:51gevaertsn1s: unless I'm mistaken it was the "what does bootlegger mean" subthread of the rockbox player thread
21:43:56Falco986751
21:44:09Falco98yeah that's it
21:44:56Falco98well, it was pertaining to audio-inputs
21:44:59Falco98which is relevant
21:45:31Falco98and it's not like a flamewar had broken out which was taking over the thread, parts of the posts were still on-topic in a stricter sense
21:46:18Bagderthe rockbox player thread contains everything these days
21:46:43Mouser_XHeh.
21:47:05Mouser_XBagder: Any chance we'll see Gigabeat S builds in the "Current Build" section soon?
21:47:43Mouser_X(Though, due to a lack of a good bootloader installation method on Windows, I can understand why there isn't one available yet).
21:48:48Bagderwell, I could add it anytime I've just not got a request
21:48:52n1sMouser_X: the linux install method is hardly user friendly either
21:49:16n1sI think we should wait untill we have that sorted and a manual
21:49:26Mouser_XIt's far, far better than the Windows method.
21:49:41*Mouser_X tried the Windows method, and gave up.
21:49:47*bertrik agrees with n1s but doesn't really have a say in it
21:49:51Mouser_X(It never once worked for me.)
21:50:26Bagderalso, is the manual for the S working?
21:50:46Mouser_XI think LambdaCalculus was working on it.
21:50:54n1syeah he was/is
21:51:38n1sit doesn't work yet, no platform file
21:54:07BigBambiFalco98: I removed those posts, as an argument about the nature of bootlegging is entirely non-relevant to the Rockbox player thread
21:54:18BigBambiOr indeed taping
21:55:21BigBambiThe posts I removed were not the ones about wanting what inputs, but an argument about the ethics of recording shows
21:56:29BigBambiThe New Ports forum specifically says it is for development discussion.
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21:58:18BigBambiThe Rockbox Player thread is already well out of hand, I cleaned up the latest raft of irrelevancies
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22:05:25linuxstbIs dual-booting working on the S?
22:05:48BigBambiyes
22:06:05linuxstbBut it requires an OF nk.bin to patch?
22:06:10BigBambibut you need to patch an original nk.bin with the bootloader.gin produced when building the bootloader
22:06:26BigBambibootloader.bin of course :)
22:06:33linuxstbIs that nk.bin easily available?
22:06:36BigBambiSort of
22:06:44BigBambiYou can't get it from the player
22:06:58BigBambiBut there is a link to it hosted somewhere or other on the wiki
22:07:35BigBambilinuxstb: Are you looking for it?
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22:07:51BigBambiAs in would you like a DCC?
22:08:00linuxstbNo, I'm just wondering what the official install method will be.
22:08:04BigBambiaha
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22:08:07linuxstbI have a copy of it somewhere already.
22:08:17BigBambiWell it depends if we want to dual boot of course
22:08:42linuxstbs/we/the user/ ...
22:08:51BigBambiBut if so, I imagine you having to source it somewhere and provide it to the installer
22:08:58BigBambiAs we can hardly distribute it
22:09:17linuxstbIf possible we should make the default installation dual-boot.
22:09:36Mouser_XIs charging for the S supported in Rockbox? If it is, I've seen no indication of it charging.
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22:09:46BigBambiI agree, but it is going to be tricky - unlike the irivers it isn't even available from Toshiba
22:09:53BigBambiMouser_X: I don't think so
22:09:55BigBambiyet
22:10:02Mouser_XThat's what I thought.
22:10:22saratoga22it sounds like you'd have to install rockbox, and then mount the S in rockbox USB mode to get at the retail firmware
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22:10:54BigBambiBut you have to overwrite the OF nk.bin with the Rockbox bootloader to use the bootloader
22:10:57Mouser_Xsaratoga22: The problem with that is that installing the bootloader will (I think) overwrite the existing firmware file.
22:11:08Mouser_XBigBambi beat me to it.
22:11:16BigBambi:)
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22:15:20n1sMouser_X: rockbox doesn't handle charging yet but I think the pmic does a stand alone low current trickle charge without being configured
22:15:58Mouser_XHmmm.
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22:17:22saratoga22where did the wiki get the nk.bin from then?
22:17:43BigBambiI believe it was extracted from a hacked updater or something similar
22:17:50BigBambiNico_P is your man I think
22:18:07saratoga22can the updater be downloaded from toshiba?
22:18:27BigBambiI don't know
22:18:33Nico_Psaratoga22: I'm not sure where the original nk.bin came from. the updater is a hacked version of the one for the V
22:19:00Nico_Pmaybe the nk.bin is the one for the V. they're pretty much identical AFAIK
22:19:02BigBambiI'm going to stop talking now as I'm in danger of talking rubbish :)
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22:22:28linuxstbDidn't someone plug the S's drive into an ipod video and copy the files?
22:23:59Nico_Pyes, I think someone did that
22:24:08Nico_Pthe port thread probably has answers
22:25:16n1sthe first install that requires another dap! :P
22:25:25Mouser_XHeh.
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22:34:07amiconnJdGordon|zzz: Interesting deltas...
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22:43:09toffe82the nk.bin come from a direct copy of the file from the disk
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22:46:35BigBambitoffe82: Via a caddy or ipod?
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22:49:33saratoga22since it looks like toshiba does not distribute any firmware update at all, dual booting may be out of the question for people who don't want to open their gigabeat
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22:49:48BigBambiofficially
22:49:59BigBambior easily rather
22:50:15bluebrothersaratoga22: was it you who was interested in Rockbox on the DS?
22:50:24saratoga22marginally so
22:50:34saratoga22i looked at the DS linux stuff briefly last summer
22:51:17bluebrotherwell, I was thinking about getting one of those cards that allows running own code. I fear I won't have the time for it but maybe porting Rockbox would come up eventually
22:51:53saratoga22it'd be a pretty easy port
22:52:02saratoga22everything is documented and theres GPLed code for it all
22:52:44bluebrotherhmm. Anything to look for regarding those modules?
22:53:53saratoga22i don't remember offhand
22:53:59saratoga22i think i looked at the dslinux source
22:54:13saratoga22or maybe one of the DS homebrew sdks
22:54:28saratoga22anyone seen this before: " Error at entry 12 in entries file for 'apps/codecs/libwma'"
22:54:34saratoga22when trying to run svn
22:54:52krazykitthere is a port of scummvm for DS, so you could build the sim for the DS
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22:55:11krazykitmeaning SDL building should be documented for DS.
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22:55:44bluebrotherthe scummvm port doesn't use SDL from what I read on their page.
22:56:00saratoga22since the DS is a (slow) ARM target i don't think you'd want to
22:56:15saratoga22it makes the Ipods seem quick, aside from its fast display hardware
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22:58:14bluebrotherok. At least that's a point to start looking at code.
22:58:53linuxstbWhat storage is available on a DS?
22:59:04Lloreanlinuxstb: Flash adapters.
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22:59:44linuxstbProprietory ones?
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22:59:51saratoga22depending on what you buy you can use SD, microsd or Compact flash
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23:00:33BigBambimoos: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080416#12:55:27
23:00:39LloreanWith a current SVN bootloader, my GigabeatS is not booting.
23:00:58moosBigBambi: thx internet troubls :(
23:01:06linuxstbIs that adapter enough for you to be able to run your own code, or do you need something else?
23:01:10BigBambiLlorean: I updated mine maybe five versions ago and it was OK
23:01:15BigBambiWhat's the issue?
23:01:16saratoga22teh adapter is enough
23:01:27saratoga22although some have better support for homebrew then others
23:01:30BigBambiBigBambi: And is it patched or clean?
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23:01:43saratoga22also, running svn up corrupted all three of my SVN folders just now
23:01:47*amiconn looked up what DS means, and its specs
23:01:56saratoga22no one else had trouble?
23:02:06amiconnThe main core should be effectively about the same speed as one PP core
23:02:07LloreanBigBambi: Bootloader and bootloader USB works, but it won't boot Rockbox. No error mesage
23:02:29linuxstbThe DS would be the first target with wifi...
23:02:50BigBambiLlorean: Weirdodd
23:03:03*Llorean can't test any more now.
23:03:03amiconnIt's clocked somewhat lower, but it's arm9 instead of arm7tdmi
23:03:03BigBambiLlorean: Was it a dual boot?
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23:04:20linuxstbsaratoga22: SVN seems fine for me...
23:04:37saratoga22any ideas what "Error at entry 17 in entries file for 'apps/codecs/libwma':" would mean?
23:04:45saratoga22i'm getting it on any copy of SVN i try to update
23:04:56saratoga22one from this week and one from last year both ended up with it
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23:05:20linuxstbHave you looked at that entries file?
23:05:27linuxstb(in the .svn directory)
23:06:51bertrikIf you haven't made any custom changes in the libwma directory, you can just delete it and svn update it again
23:07:36saratoga22i tried that but it just gums up SVN even worse
23:08:08bertrikweird, I just did that and it came back fine
23:08:26saratoga22ah that time it worked
23:08:52*amiconn already has the first bug report for the new quickscreen
23:09:08amiconnThe status bar isn't redrawn
23:09:31amiconn...so that the virtual disk icon doesn't work properly
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23:22:44saratoga22Bagder: around?
23:22:48Bagderyes
23:23:17saratoga22that other UMS mode on teh V2 Sansa c200 seems odd to me
23:23:41saratoga22it sounds like the firmware update mode described in the AMS datasheet
23:24:10saratoga22was there some reason no one else seems to think this that I missed
23:24:37BagderI don't think anyone checked those parts of the data sheet and compared with that info
23:24:42BagderI certainly haven't...
23:25:20linuxstbI looked at that last night, but thought it odd that there were files already in that partition... Someone still needs to work out how to use it though.
23:25:31saratoga22the datasheet says if you hold a certain button during power up with the USB plugged in while off, you get the firmware update mode built into the AMS chip's room
23:26:00saratoga22and since that mode shows you files hidden by the Sandisk UMS mode, I assume its not the same code running
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23:32:34*amiconn thinks that the new quickscreen is way better than the old svn one, and even better than the first viewported try, but the vertical layout is a bit weird
23:32:54Bagdersaratoga22: it just seems a bit odd that it would show some of the files seemingly in both modes then
23:33:21amiconnDepending on font size and screen size, the left & right items either end up unexpecteldy high, or unexpectedly low
23:34:24LloreanBigBambi: I tried it with and without dual boot.
23:34:27*Llorean is gone again
23:34:34BigBambiHit and run :)
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23:50:47saratoga22Bagder: what do you mean?
23:51:49Bagderis it the "Special Mode" (the term used on my v2 page) you're talking about?
23:52:10saratoga22Bagder: yes
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23:53:50linuxstbsaratoga22: Your commit was full of tabs...
23:54:44saratoga22ugh i went through and remoed them using gedit, but I guess it rewrote them when i hit save
23:54:49Bagdersaratoga22: is that AMS mode supposed to be plain usb-storage with some magic powers?
23:55:48saratoga22i don't have the device to try it on, but i understood it to be UMS mode that showed a couple uninteresting binary files
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23:56:01saratoga22while the OF showed the same thing but with a few of those files hidden
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23:56:17linuxstbBagder: Yes, that's how the datasheet describes it. Search for "usb promer"... (I've no idea what that means)
23:56:33saratoga22which sounds like the AMS update mode to me
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23:57:35saratoga22i wonder if anyone tried it on an m200
23:57:46saratoga22they're only about $15, so I wouldn't mind bricking one

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