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#rockbox log for 2008-05-07

00:00:01linuxstbHmm, seems it doesn't like the first partition being reformatted though - that seems to be the issue.
00:00:10amiconnLlorean: If the firmware partition is also FAT, it could be used with a multivolume build
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00:00:57amiconn(although I don't think it's worth the hassle)
00:01:44preglowagreed
00:01:55preglowand the firmware partition has no format, i think
00:02:06preglowso it'll mean extra code
00:02:36Mouser_XThe 'beast's firmware partition is FAT32. At least, it sure looks that way.
00:02:54Mouser_XProperties says it is.
00:03:00Mouser_X(In Windows.)
00:04:26*linuxstb doesn't understand what's upsetting the S's bootloader - just reformatting the firmware partition is enough to upset it and make it enter recovery mode
00:04:52Nico_Plinuxstb: reformatting and sending nk.bin back?
00:05:08linuxstbReformatting and copying nk.bin back
00:06:51preglowprobably has a lousy fat driver, then
00:07:28Nico_Pmaybe it has some kind of way of knowing things have changed
00:07:38linuxstbWell, it's WIndows CE, so I would have expected it to do FAT...
00:08:38amiconnPerhaps there's a special flag somewhere
00:09:19*amiconn wouldn't be surprised, giving microsoft's "don't touch" extensions of their own standard
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00:11:26linuxstbCopying files to the partition seems to work - i.e. replacing the nk.bin (Rockbox bootloader) file
00:14:02preglowamiconn: didn't you find a detailed account of the arm9 pipeline somewhere?
00:17:14toffe82the S is TFAT : http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa915463.aspx
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00:17:49preglowwhat, not fatx?
00:17:50preglowgo microsoft
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00:27:31Nico_Ptoffe82: maybe that causes some problems for us?
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00:28:48toffe82I don't know
00:29:57Nico_Pif we don't correctly update both FATs we might encounter trouble
00:30:10Nico_P... when going back to the OF
00:31:02n1sMaybe tfat support wouldn't be so bad for usb mode either...
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00:31:14n1sNico_P: great news about the speed :)
00:31:20*n1s sleeps
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00:31:51amiconnpreglow: I have no idea about the arm pipeline. If you're looking for the instruction cycle counts, infocenter.arm.com has them
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00:44:43ibycushi everyone, i can't make my itrip work with rockbox
00:44:53ibycusive turned accessory power on but it won't work at all
00:45:01ibycusany other options i can try?
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00:55:54^Parrot^ok.. songs are loaded.. now... how can I randomly play them all? I am reading the manual and it talks of playlists. fine... how do I add ALL the songs to the playlist if a playlist is required?
00:56:13^Parrot^I have the manual open but it does not say how to do this
00:56:19^Parrot^Ipod 5th gen. btw
00:57:56Nico_P^Parrot^: either withe the DB (wich might be very slow), or if you have all your music in a dir, insert that dir recursively
00:58:15Nico_Ps/slow/long if you have a lot of music
00:58:24^Parrot^4700+ songs
00:58:32^Parrot^dir by album artist
00:59:04^Parrot^<root>\music\album artist\album\title
00:59:06Nico_Pwithout a parent dir to all that I don't know whether it's possible without the DB
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00:59:30Nico_Pah, then use "insert" on "music", after having enabled the "insert recursively" setting
00:59:43^Parrot^walk slow with this old man...
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01:00:03^Parrot^at main menu'
01:00:12^Parrot^settings ?
01:00:14Nico_Psettings > general settings > playlists > recursively...
01:00:38Nico_Pselect "on" or "ask", depending on your preference
01:00:38^Parrot^ok
01:00:39^Parrot^done
01:01:02Nico_Pthen long press select on the music dir to get the contextual menu
01:01:26Nico_Pplaylist > insert
01:01:44^Parrot^get to music dir in files?
01:01:48Nico_Pyes
01:02:04^Parrot^ok
01:02:08^Parrot^there
01:02:26Nico_Pthe idea is to create a playlist of all your songs
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01:02:35Nico_Pand shuffle through that
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01:02:41^Parrot^yup
01:02:53^Parrot^insert....
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01:03:13le-bemawiI have an samsung YP-U1, I m view some samsung here (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus) but, not YP-U1. Can I install rockbox or not ? (sorry for my bad english, i never write in this language ^^)
01:03:28Lloreanle-bemawi: No, you cannot.
01:04:09scorche|shle-bemawi: the front page lists the devices that rockbox runs on
01:04:19^Parrot^hmmm data abort at 00000004
01:04:27Nico_P:/
01:04:28le-bemawi:'( Do you know an open firmware for my YP-U1 ?
01:04:43Nico_P^Parrot^: are you using an up to date version ?
01:04:57^Parrot^I think so.. 2-3 days
01:04:59^Parrot^?
01:05:49^Parrot^checking
01:06:07Nico_PI don't know of any specific fixes for that issue
01:06:16^Parrot^rebooted
01:06:59^Parrot^v r17139-080416
01:07:23Nico_Pwell that's quite old already. you should probably update
01:07:45^Parrot^hmm
01:08:06*Nico_P just inserted his whole album collection flawlessy
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01:08:16Nico_P(ipod 5.5G, ~2000 tracks)
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01:08:36*^Parrot^ is not as l33t as Nico_P :p
01:08:53Nico_Pit's really not hard
01:09:12Nico_P^Parrot^: when exactly did it crash? had it started inserting?
01:09:38^Parrot^yes
01:09:43^Parrot^had to reboot
01:09:48^Parrot^working fine now..
01:09:57^Parrot^restarting playlist procedure
01:10:29^Parrot^inseting tracks
01:11:08^Parrot^to update just copy the .rockbox subdir to <ipod>\.rockbox ?
01:11:26^Parrot^hmm
01:11:29^Parrot^error: couldn'
01:11:34Nico_Pyes, you can just replace the old install
01:11:58^Parrot^error: couldn't load codec . codec failure codecs/mpa.codec
01:12:07^Parrot^will update rockbox
01:12:09^Parrot^brb
01:12:22Nico_Pyes you need to unzip the whole build
01:12:53^Parrot^overwrite all ?
01:13:40Nico_Pyes
01:14:04TheNumberHello !!!
01:15:12TheNumberi am interesting to have ogg file in my digital player so does it exist an open frimware for thease kind of player
01:15:13^Parrot^have to make room... gotta remove the jpgs that rockbox can't use
01:15:13TheNumberhttp://images.hepsiburada.com/assets/Bilgisayar/500/bd30157m.jpg
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01:16:49Nico_PTheNumber: rockbox doesn't support this player
01:16:53^Parrot^moving files....
01:17:03TheNumberThanks
01:17:04^Parrot^growing older as it happens...
01:17:07^Parrot^:0
01:17:19*Nico_P heads off to bed
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01:17:46TheNumbergood night
01:18:24TheNumberme to time to go Good night Chan-san
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01:20:16^Parrot^ok.. rebooted...
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01:23:50^Parrot^If I want to use the db for title, artist, albu and album artist, do I have to make db playlists 4 times?
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02:50:25RoC_MasterMindI just got another gigabeat f40....what are the folders I have to leave on the drive once rockbox is on it?
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04:21:19JdGordoncan anyone reproduce 8970
04:21:22JdGordon?
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05:07:28creamycenter2003i am having trouble booting rockbox on my sansa c240 v.1. If anybody feels like helping, please acknowledge
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05:08:30JdGordonhow about just asking your question and if someon knows the answer they'll help?
05:08:45creamycenter2003i get the rockbox bootloader up, but it says it cant find OF.mi4
05:08:55creamycenter2003it is looking in /system/
05:09:35creamycenter2003i have tried placing/renaming the sandisk firmware to OF.mi4
05:09:47JdGordonI thought we stopped using OF,mi4?
05:10:04JdGordonhow did you install the bootloader?
05:10:11creamycenter2003copy pasta
05:10:18creamycenter2003into the root
05:10:26creamycenter2003from recovery mode
05:11:02JdGordonand which instructions told you to do that?
05:11:08creamycenter2003the wiki
05:11:11JdGordonhttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansac200/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 certainly didnt
05:12:01creamycenter2003i had to do it manually because the stock firmware just hangs
05:13:35JdGordondoes recovery mode still work?
05:13:41creamycenter2003i put the /.rockbox/ into the root, straight from the zip, then i put firmware.mi4
05:13:43creamycenter2003yes
05:13:46creamycenter2003thats all that works
05:14:47JdGordonif its the same as the e200 the only thing your supposed to put there is the sansa firmware.mi4 file... no rockbox files
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05:17:11creamycenter2003the wiki said to copy the .rockbox dir into the root, followed by firmware.mi4
05:17:36JdGordonwhere?
05:18:25creamycenter2003Note: If the contents of the .zip file are extracted correctly, you will have a directory called /.rockbox, which contains all the files needed by Rockbox, in the main directory of your player’s drive.
05:19:33JdGordonon which page? and thats for MSC mode anyway.. not recovery
05:20:52creamycenter2003how might i do it in recovery?
05:21:07creamycenter2003because i cant do msc
05:21:38creamycenter2003i presume due to corrupt mp3's loaded in
05:21:54creamycenter2003so the thing just hangs on the sandisk splash
05:22:33creamycenter20032.3.2. Manual Installation
05:23:36JdGordonif you dont mind formatting it copy a file called "sansa.fmt" onto the recovery mode disk and then reboot it, that should format the c200 and if it was corrupt files you should be ok again
05:24:06creamycenter2003yeah, i did that many times
05:25:14JdGordonok, copy http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/c200/firmware.mi4 onto it in rec mode
05:27:34creamycenter2003it still just hangs at the sandisk splash
05:27:55*JdGordon is out of ideas
05:28:07JdGordonLlorean: any chance you can help him out?
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05:29:09creamycenter2003i just dont get why the rockbox installs ok, just gives me an error when looking for OF.bin and OF.mi4
05:29:32creamycenter2003and where is this "/system" directory anyway?
05:29:53LloreanYou shouldn't be installing on a c200 without its original firmware booting normally first
05:29:58LloreanThen you should be installing using sansapatcher.
05:30:22LloreanBut, the file JdGordon linked can be used as OF.mi4. Just create a SYSTEM folder in the root, and put the file in it named OF.mi4, and it MIGHT work.
05:30:33LloreanBut you're better off doing things the proper way as per the manual, which requires recovering your device first.
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05:31:00creamycenter2003well, it wont recover, thats the problem
05:31:15creamycenter2003i will try making a /system
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05:31:21mrpocketsanyone here?
05:31:41Beta2KNope
05:31:52Lloreancreamycenter2003: Does recovery mode say that it detects the firmware?
05:31:53mrpocketswanna sport me some help champ?
05:31:54Mouser_XSame here.
05:32:28Beta2KASk away, you don't need to ask :)
05:32:29Lloreanmrpockets: You don't need to ask to ask. Just ask your question. We can't know if we can help you until we know the question
05:32:36creamycenter2003it says Mini-B- Device mode USB2.0 MSD
05:32:37Mouser_Xmrpockets: You're not helpind yourself any. We can't help you if you don't tell us what to help with.
05:32:44mrpocketslol
05:32:44mrpocketsyeah
05:32:46mrpocketsgot it
05:32:55mrpocketsdidn't know if this was a real chan, or just a few goons chill'en.
05:33:02Beta2Klol
05:33:05Mouser_XMostly the latter.
05:33:07Mouser_X:P
05:33:11mrpocketsI'm running Ubuntu here, 7.10. How the hell do i get the Ipod in Disk mode :(
05:33:20Beta2KThere's a ton of ppls here, someone has to be watching :)
05:33:31LloreanMouser_X: No, it's a real channel...
05:33:41Lloreanmrpockets: The channel has posted guidelines you should've read.
05:33:59LloreanAs for disk mode, it has nothing to do with your OS. Depending on your iPod the instructions are different, but they're even posted at the apple site.
05:34:30Lloreancreamycenter2003: When you copy the firmware.mi4 to it, on disconnect it should mention finding it and updating
05:34:48creamycenter2003yeah, it does that
05:35:30LloreanAnd you tried it with the exact file JdGordon linked?
05:35:33creamycenter2003and it even loads rockbox bootloader, but fails to find OF.bin, so it tries OF.mi4
05:35:35creamycenter2003yes
05:35:57LloreanThe file JdGordon linked, after upgrading, it shouldn't load the Rockbox bootloader...
05:36:04creamycenter2003i did, and it removes the rockbox loader
05:36:12LloreanAnd the original firmware freezes?
05:36:18creamycenter2003and leaves me with the frozen orig
05:36:37creamycenter2003even the one from the sandisk forums freezes
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05:37:28creamycenter2003is the bootloader/firmware stored on the same NAND flash chip?
05:37:48creamycenter2003i am wondering if the chip is bad
05:38:32Lloreancreamycenter2003: If sansa.fmt won't work after recovering the firmware, there's certainly something worse wrong than just some corrupt MP3s, since they're long gone.
05:39:02creamycenter2003i thought so....
05:39:37LloreanCreating an OF.mi4 shouldn't work, since it'll just encounter the same problem that's preventing the OF from loading normally
05:39:48creamycenter2003i am just surprised that the new firmware would load and "change" if the flash was bad
05:40:00LloreanThere's also no way to put it on, since you don't have USB access without a working OF.
05:40:32JdGordonnot totally true... e200tool can be used to put a file onto the flash
05:40:45JdGordonbut the program needs to be coded manually
05:40:54creamycenter2003should i boot up ubuntu and try?
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06:03:23creamycenter2003how do i work diagnostic mode?
06:03:50creamycenter2003i load in to it, and a bunch of text flys by
06:04:32creamycenter2003and lands on "upgrade firmware"erase sd media" erase sd nvp"
06:04:51creamycenter2003what is that last option? and how do i select it
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08:50:23JdGordongrab some caffenated soap from thinkgeek :D
08:50:38*GodEater blames his apparent narcolepsy on playing GTA:IV too late into the night :-/
08:51:48GodEateranyone seen this ? http://code.google.com/appengine/articles/rietveld.html
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08:54:19*scorche has been hearing about it in a gsoc related channel that has 8 people in it
08:54:43markunGodEater: it's basically what we do already. Looking at diffs on the frontpage and talking about them in here.
08:54:51LinusNlooks like our cvs mailing list serves that purpose well, if not better
08:55:27*GodEater pops the url back into the envelope and mails it back to google with "not needed" written on it
08:55:46linuxstbBut isn't the difference that we generally review code _after_ commit?
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08:56:48LinusNlinuxstb: yes, that is true
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08:58:35LinusNhmmm, maybe i misunderstood
08:58:53LinusNit could be useful for discussing flyspray patches
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09:00:37*linuxstb suggests "someone" should install it for us to play with
09:00:54*scorche has a google app account
09:02:03linuxstbYou need a google app account to use it?
09:04:01scorchei think so as it relies on Googles servers for stuff like BigTable
09:04:10scorchenot sure though
09:04:56scorchethere is this, but i suppose it doesnt quite confirmhttp://groups.google.com/group/codereview-discuss/browse_thread/thread/80392d2be3cda69b
09:04:57GodEaterI thought only Mondrian relied on BigTable ?
09:05:09scorcheGodEater: as i said...i am not sure
09:05:36GodEaterwell they're running a demo here : http://codereview.appspot.com/
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09:10:31JdGordonbringing channel back on topic... has the quickscreen frozen for anyone? there is a report on flyspray but i havnt reproduced it (reported on nano)
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09:19:44LinusNi like that rietveld tool
09:20:21LinusNhmmm, i rarely use the quickscreen
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09:23:21yeal`ROCKBOX
09:23:29yeal`what is a good modular for rockbox
09:23:33yeal`to make it good for ipod
09:23:46yeal`for ipod, i don't think i ahve to load a database each time
09:23:52yeal`how can i fix that for rockbox?
09:23:56JdGordonwhy dont we use the piezo on the ipods for the keyclick?
09:24:04yeal`what is piezo?
09:25:13markunyeal`: what do you mean by "modular"?
09:25:43yeal`i meant add-ons
09:26:38markunwe have some patches to change parts of rockbox, but I'm still not sure what you are asking for.
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09:42:36linuxstbJdGordon: There's been a patch for that for years, but I don't think it was good enough to commit.
09:44:42*JdGordon grabs piezo.c from the patch and gets to work
09:44:44B4gderyeal`: we actually think rockbox is good for ipod already
09:44:47linuxstbyeal`: The only "add-ons" are the plugins/viewers which are included with the standard install - everything that's available for Rockbox (apart from "in-progess" developments) is included in the standard download.
09:45:06JdGordondoes it make sense that keyclick would always use the piezo instead of headphones?
09:45:14JdGordonor both?
09:45:22linuxstbI don't think so, but I wouldn't use that feature anyway.
09:46:31markunthe meizu's also have such a piezo
09:48:02LinusNJdGordon: i think both options are useful. for example, i wouldn't want a beep in my headphones for each wheel movement
09:48:45JdGordonimo thats when you woulod use it
09:49:00JdGordonlack of feedback on the wheel sucks
09:49:54linuxstbIn general or for blind users?
09:50:03JdGordonin general
09:51:01linuxstbThen I disagree
09:52:38markunyou can get visual feedback
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09:57:09*linuxstb notices there is no mention of devcon on the front page news
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10:11:55creamycenter2003ok, my sansa wont boot, i am trying to re flash the bootloader, but it keeps failing upon mounting, saying over and over: "LUN0 locked""LUN0 unlocked"
10:12:33creamycenter2003is there a secret to restoring it from a bad flash, with e200tool
10:12:57JdGordone200tool is for manufacturer mode
10:13:03creamycenter2003yes
10:13:53creamycenter2003thats the only mode it will boot, as it goofed up during a nand format, so it is 100% blank
10:15:02creamycenter2003i sent it pribootloader.rom and it brings up the recovery screen, then as soon as the 16meg drive is mounted, it goes into a fit about LUN0 lock/unlocked
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10:15:21JdGordonthats normal iirc.. as long as it stays booted
10:15:25JdGordonmounted even
10:15:58creamycenter2003it does, then it says loading image, loading font loading etc....and then it reboots, and nothing
10:16:20creamycenter2003it's like it wont hold the flash it just loaded
10:16:49B4gderwhat did you say about the "nand format" ? what was that and how did you do that?
10:16:57JdGordonyes, before it reboots you need to hold rec (or whatevr it is) to get into the rec mode
10:17:29creamycenter2003in diagnostic mode, it was formatting, when the battery came undone, leaving me with bad situation
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10:17:45B4gderdiagnostic mode?
10:17:58B4gderyou mean the one we call recovery mode?
10:17:58creamycenter2003hold down arrow on bootup
10:18:40*B4gder doesn't remember what buttons that do what
10:18:56creamycenter2003it has the option to format the internal sd
10:19:15B4gderI've never seen any such
10:19:15creamycenter2003which it was doing when the battey dropped
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10:20:10creamycenter2003so now i'm trying to put the bootloader/firmware back on, with e200tool, running under ubuntu