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#rockbox log for 2008-05-08

00:00:01n1sflashing?
00:00:41BigBambipetur: :)
00:01:08pixelmaamiconn: yes, it's used e.g. in the description of the backlight menu in display settings and it's not there in the Ondio manuals
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00:04:15*pixelma writes slightly confusing sentences today...
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00:17:54amiconnpetur: Shouldn't "Toggle between colours" depend on a colour display?
00:18:03amiconnOh, and btw you used the american spelling...
00:18:23peturyou're probably right :/
00:18:40*petur uses whatever spelling comes out of his fingers
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00:31:00*petur hopes he got the tex syntax right...
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00:34:15LloreanJdGordon: Isn't the text editor supposed to load by parts though, and have no maximum file size?
00:34:25LloreanEr, the text viewer rather
00:34:37amiconnThe viewer is, the editor is not
00:34:47LloreanThe viewer is the one in question here.
00:34:57LloreanSo, viewer: no max filesize?
00:34:57amiconnThe editor even behaves nasty when trying to edit a too large file: it crashes
00:36:18amiconncorrect
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00:36:57LloreanOkay
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00:40:56webguest23can rockbox be ported to the playstation portable system ?
00:41:10amiconnjhMikeS: ping
00:42:03linuxstbwebguest23: Sure
00:42:50webguest23that good news for me thanks but do you now how it can be done
00:43:20webguest23rockbox on psp would be great
00:43:31LloreanIt's open source. Take the code, and learn programming for PSP, and get to work. :)
00:44:28webguest23lean programming lol funny but thanks for the help
00:44:34webguest23learn
00:44:53linuxstbWhat answer were you expecting?
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00:46:37webguest23i just want to now if any one else already had done this and if there was a way to put it on with out alot of work .
00:46:54scorche|shnot right now
00:47:03linuxstbNo, no-one has done it, and I don't think anyone is working on it.
00:47:27webguest23ok Thanks you for your time and help
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01:34:50jhMikeSamiconn: pong
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01:38:05saratogawho is good to talk to about compilers/linkers for my EZX project?
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01:52:22mama1i need help creating tool kit for sansa view...
01:55:21saratogamama1: the view is an arm CPU, so the standard dev environment should work
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02:02:21mama1how do i create a usb stub for the sansa view so i can recover it?
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02:06:48advcomp2019mama1, i had a view that the force format caused the view to be stuck into manufacturing mode.. is that what happened to you?
02:09:20mama1yeah
02:09:41mama1i want to reprogram the e200tool so it will work with the view
02:11:13advcomp2019mama1, good.. i had a hard time getting sandisk to replace my view
02:13:16mama1i still need the USB stub that will run on the view... i need help
02:17:33saratogaisn't e200tool specific to the Sandisk recovery mode?
02:18:50advcomp2019saratoga, the e200tool only works part of the way
02:20:06saratogait works at all?
02:20:58advcomp2019it will not get past the 6666:e200
02:21:45saratogai guess nvidia must have kept some of that code around in the 6000 series
02:22:37saratogawould be nice if they kept the same USB controller too
02:24:48saratogahaha nvidia's new PP chip runs at 750MHz
02:25:13scorche|sh...seriously?
02:26:16advcomp2019i heard 250mhz
02:27:59saratogatheres quite a few different chips running at various speeds, but the highend is an arm11 at 750MHz
02:28:12saratogaprobably with DSP too
02:28:25scorche|shsaratoga: jees...are they trying to take on geodes?
02:29:23*scorche|sh wonders how it does with power consumption but then realize this is getting a bit offtopic
02:29:48saratogai'd expect something like this to be considerablely faster for AV stuff then a geode, but it won't run Windows, so its a different market
02:30:04advcomp2019it says here 250mhz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goforce#GoForce_6100
02:31:30saratogathat would be the midrange core
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03:31:13yeal`hi
03:31:14yeal`anyone here
03:31:21advcomp2019yeal`, yea
03:31:28yeal`how do i get album art
03:31:33yeal`i have some albums without it
03:31:38yeal`is there an online database?
03:32:00Shaidgoogle.
03:32:06Shaidthis is off-topic, though
03:32:42yeal`why do you say that
03:32:52yeal`don't say that
03:32:53yeal`okay
03:32:54yeal`thanks
03:33:21Shaidif you use google image search and search for the album name you'll probably find a cover image to use for album art.
03:34:44yeal`http://tinyurl.com/6c77d3
03:35:58yeal`thatjust gives amazon links
03:36:11yeal`sucky
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03:46:43Statusppl..where can i find extra presets for rockbox?
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03:47:07JdGordon|uniin the manual!
03:47:37Statusthere's no presets in a manual..
03:47:45Statusand the site carries is FM ones
03:47:52Statusim saying for the equalizer and stuff
03:48:07JdGordon|uniits not mentioned in the manual?
03:48:21Statusprobably how to make them..
03:48:34Statusbut i can never get them the way i want it ;/
03:49:06JdGordon|unihttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch6.html#x9-1100006.10 at least tells yuo where to find all the ones which are shipped with rockbox
03:49:08Statuson my other sansa i got some presets from some website but i cant remember the name
03:50:14Statusas i said
03:50:17Statusno presets there
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03:52:55mama1hi bagder, i need help... trying to re write the e200tool so that it will detect the sansa view.. i am currently stumped on creating the usb stub which will run on the view
03:53:36JdGordon|uniits about 3am his local time...
03:54:01mama1awwwww
03:54:11mama1tnx will try later ;)
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04:30:57saratogamama1: I don't think its known how to run code on View, next to nothing is known about the CPU
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05:34:49brent113_What is happening here: I plug in a wall adapter into my e200 and I hear a faint high pitched noise
05:35:31brent113_louder music will overpower it so it's not noticeable, but at lower volumes it is quite noticeable. And it goes away as soon as I unplug the power
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05:39:19advcomp2019where is it at, headphone or the sansa?
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05:48:19saratogasounds like you have a bad power adapter
05:49:17brent113_it's at the headphones
05:49:38advcomp2019i have that with mine but i think it is the old wiring of my house
05:50:06brent113_the only thing I can think of is it's giving dirty power
05:50:30brent113_it kind of sounds like a square wave, but in the original sansa firmware it doesn't do that
05:51:31advcomp2019some of my outlets in my house has ground issues
05:53:03Shaidsansa's are badly shielded
05:53:15Shaidmy e280 makes a noise when accessing the flash
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06:01:39brent113_that's interesting
06:02:03brent113_the problem I'm having though doesn't exist in the sansa firmware, only rockbox
06:04:06Shaidrockbox may use the charge circuit differently than the OF does.
06:04:14Shaidthus it may cause the noise
06:04:26ShaidI don't have a wall charger here, I can test it tonight at home if you'd like
06:05:40Statusbrent113_ i had the same prob..but when playing songs...
06:05:58brent113_had, as in past tense, as in you fixed it?
06:06:01Statusi'd change songs and get a high-pitch sound just like piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii really loud
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06:06:15Statusi just reset the settings and havent had a prob since
06:06:32brent113_when it shuts the screen off it changes pitch
06:07:05brent113_how'd you reset the settings
06:07:10brent113_like, just choose defaults?
06:07:15brent113_or like reload the firmware
06:07:47Statusto there's an option somewhere in there to reset
06:08:11Statussettings > manage settings > reset settings
06:08:21brent113_yea, didn't fix my prob
06:15:35Lloreanbrent113_: Rockbox doesn't actually enable charging, so the charging circuitry is certainly going to be acting differently than in the OF. Because of the poor shielding of the device, this probably accounts for the noise
06:16:12brent113_it most certainly does support charging
06:16:21brent113_why else would they offer a car adapter mode?
06:16:40*Llorean sighs.
06:16:50LloreanRockbox does not currently enable the charging hardware.
06:17:02LloreanCar adapter mode is based on adapter detection, which is separate.
06:17:09LloreanAlso, charging is *intended* but not functional yet.
06:17:36brent113_can you elaborate on the car adapter part then?
06:17:38LloreanThis means the charging circuitry is working in its default state. Some people have reported that this results in their players charging, while others don't. We do know that for full speed charging it will need to be configured.
06:17:51Lloreanbrent113_: All it does is turn off your player when a charger is disconnected.
06:18:16LloreanDetecting the presence of the charger is separate from actually charging the battery.
06:18:39brent113_I guess I was wrong to assume they would write them both simultaneously
06:19:34LloreanSo you think we should've just left out car adapter mode until someone found out how to properly configure the charging hardware?
06:19:37brent113_So do you know what the multiple states of the charging hardware are? Or is there documentation on this somewhere?
06:20:07LloreanAs it's a development build, I don't really see the point of leaving out features as they get finished, but you're free to wait until a release comes around.
06:20:43brent113_:) I <3 rockbox too much to wait
06:21:26brent113_And the fact that the sansa firmware is pretty much useless, it doesn't support id3 tags above version 2.0
06:21:32brent113_which is the original reason I switched
06:22:15LloreanFor more information, see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8363
06:22:33brent113_Llorean, thank you for your knowledge
06:23:39brent113_Ah, I see, it's a variable charge hardware setup, this is interesting
06:24:45Shaidsimilar to how the iPod works
06:25:04brent113_I've never considered these devices could vary their charge speed
06:25:15ShaidI enjoy charging my 5.5g via a firewire wall charger. It's turbo mode. ;)
06:25:33brent113_It seems you would always want the fastest charge possible
06:25:44Lloreannot necessarily
06:25:54Shaiddepends, fast charging can have side effects on battery life/durability/etc
06:25:57LloreanThat's the most stress on the battery.
06:26:12LloreanIf you can afford slow charges, such as while sleeping, they may be better for the health of your battery.
06:26:32Shaidand considering they're usually lithium ion cells, and lithium ion is, chemically, rather an unstable mix, you don't want 'bad things' to happen
06:26:50LloreanShaid: The battery itself has a circuit that should prevent such "bad things"
06:26:59Shaidtell that to Apple and Dell.
06:28:21brent113_This really is all a shame, why would Sandisk go out of their way to make sure there will be a rock box port for their products but not provide development support
06:28:50Lloreanbrent113_: They didn't really go out of their way.
06:29:13LloreanThey provided us with a hardware sample or two, but that's really it.
06:29:29Shaidand then changed all the hardware in the V2s just to spite rockbox.
06:29:58LloreanOr possibly simply because it was cheaper...
06:30:09brent113_Llorean, so currently it's set at 50mA and 3.9 volts
06:30:14brent113_correct?
06:30:46Lloreanbrent113_: According to the patch, yes. I'm fairly certain he knows the relevant code better than I do.
06:30:53LloreanWell, and relevant hardware specs.
06:31:36brent113_So do you think this patch would possibly affect the noise the charger is producing?
06:31:54brent113_Or is it likely there is another hardware setting that is affecting it
06:31:56LloreanIt depends on why the noise occurs.
06:32:13LloreanSince I don't know, I can only hazard the guess that it might.
06:33:06brent113_How do I install the patch so I might try?
06:33:23LloreanSee the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page. You'll have to compile a custom build.
06:33:54brent113_Can you compile just that module?
06:34:24LloreanNo.
06:37:11brent113_What would you suggest for charge values? Are the defaults in the module sufficient or should I lower them to be conservative
06:37:19brent113_in the patch*
06:38:23LloreanIf you read through the comments, I believe the last version of the patch at the bottom is set to use the same values the original firmware does.
06:39:20brent113_In what state however
06:39:50brent113_If the OF changes states, will it allow it to charge faster, or will it limit the charging, meaning that this patch could be too high some times
06:40:36LloreanWell, if you're afraid it's wrong you'll have to do your own research to pick values, I suppose. I certainly haven't done any on that player.
06:42:22brent113_So a question on the patches. The first one listed has different values than others down the page
06:42:32brent113_Do I need to apply these patches sequentially?
06:42:37LloreanNo, just the final one.
06:43:43brent113_So the final patch is this one: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8363#comment23245
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06:44:36LloreanAt the moment, yes.
06:47:33brent113_So patching goes after the compilation?
06:48:18LloreanNo, before.
06:48:22LloreanYou patch the source files.
06:48:33brent113_Haha, I should know that :P
06:48:39brent113_Thanks
06:57:22brent113_Llorean, are you familiar with an 'arm-elf-gcc' missing error?
06:57:45Lloreanbrent113_: It suggests to me that you haven't properly installed the cross-compiler necessary.
06:57:53brent113_This is true
06:58:30brent113_mmk, it looks like I need to run the .sh file provided
06:58:58LloreanThat's the easiest and most reliable way in many cases, unless you're using cygwin (seems unlikely from the sound of it)
06:59:43brent113_I'm using gcc in Ubuntu
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07:00:25LloreanThen you'll need to install the cross-compilers with the .sh script.
07:00:37brent113_It worked, cool, now compiling
07:01:06brent113_I took a cs261 data structures in c class, but that's the extent of c programming I've done, I'm still very fresh at these things
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07:07:51brent113_So far everything is compiling perfectly, thanks again for all of your help Llorean
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07:22:52brent113_Llorean, thank you so much, that fixed the high pitched frequency problem
07:23:07LloreanI'm glad.
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07:24:14brent113_You have no idea how much you've helped me. This weekend I am looking forward to 12 hours on the road, and I was not looking forward to listening to the whine the entire time
07:25:21LloreanYou could've always unplugged it. :-P
07:26:06brent113_:D true, but what if it ran out of battery? I'd have a few seconds without music, and that's just a tragedy
07:27:48*amiconn is still puzzled by the dropout problem at spinup on mini G2, but found 2 possible small optimisations in ata.c while researching
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07:53:52LinusNhmmm, i see a small caveat in those wait_for_xxx() functions; the last_disk_activity time stamp might not be updated if the disk is fast (likely not a problem in reality, but anyway)
07:56:04amiconnThis problem isn't new though
07:56:17LinusNno, the old code had the same issue
07:56:35amiconnyup, that's why I kept it that way
07:56:48LinusNi guess i only thought it would matter when we yield
07:57:17amiconnThere's a ton of places where this variable is updated, but if we have a long wait, it becomes important - and then it is updated
07:57:28LinusNexactly
07:57:59LinusNit's probably not an issue in real life
07:58:14LinusNbut it looks like it could use some cleaning up
07:58:14amiconnThe new loops can easily be rearranged to always update it btw - just move the update before the check. I don't think that's necessary though
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07:59:56amiconnIf you're thinking of using bool return values in those wait_for_* functions - I tried that. Code becomes a _tiny_ bit larger (only on coldfire and arm)
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08:01:06amiconnAnd since it would also have been a somewhat bigger change, I decided not to commit that version
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08:15:22amiconnThere's one change that probably should be done though: wait_for_bsy() should be renamed to wait_for_not_bsy(), 'cause that's what it does.
08:15:56GodEateror wait_for_idle() ?
08:16:00GodEaterwhich is slightly less clumsy ?
08:16:32GodEaterunless bsy doesn't mean "busy" in which case you may ignore that
08:17:21amiconnThe status bit it checks is called BSY in the ata standard
08:17:36GodEaterah yes of course
08:17:44GodEaterin which case yes, your name is better
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08:27:56LinusNi agree about renaming it
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09:54:03mrkikoOk guys - rockbox crashes less
09:54:08mrkikobut it crashes even with no voice
09:54:46mrkikoso - on my two H300 rockbox freezes frequently enough. Is someone using intensively rockbox on this platform?
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10:04:53peturI use my h300 daily, but without voice
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10:10:06Nick_So, I managed to get my hands on a sansa c250, however it had been wiped via a dd if=/dev/zero to the entire device. Sandisk's recovery tool doesn't do much of anything, but the device is recognized as in recovery mode via lsusb and is picked up in windows as a tango media platform.
10:10:28Nick_Anyone know if there's a way to reflash the device?
10:10:53jhMikeSamiconn: pong again
10:11:34Mouser_XNick: Check the wiki.
10:11:42B4gderNick_: you need a magic flash partition restoration tool
10:12:01B4gdergevaerts has one...
10:12:02jhMikeShmmm...the build failed to get picked up for r17409 :\
10:12:02Mouser_XTry searching "Sansa unbrick" or "Sansa Recovery"
10:12:36B4gderdo we have this c200 mess described?
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10:12:55Mouser_XFor the c200? Actually, maybe not.
10:13:05*Mouser_X hasn't actually looked himself.
10:13:18B4gderthe c200 is more fragile than the e200 on this
10:13:35Mouser_XYes, I suppose so, after seeing yesterday's log.
10:13:39Nick_B4gder: Thanks, checking into it now.
10:13:44Mouser_X(Or whenever that was.)
10:14:32B4gderNick_: you can check yesterday's irc log for how someone else restored his c200 using that tool
10:16:42Mouser_XNot a bad idea, but it might be a bit of a read.
10:16:54Mouser_XSounds like the c200 can really get messed up.
10:17:12Mouser_X(c200 series)
10:17:14B4gderyes, it seems the bootloader reads the partition info
10:17:23B4gderand goes nuts if that is wrong
10:17:51*Mouser_X has 2 e250s.
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10:18:02Mouser_X(I only use 1. I ought to sell the other.)
10:18:02Nick_Thanks B4gder, I'll read over the logs
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10:43:47amiconnjhMikeS: 'twas false alarm...
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10:54:41Nick_Well, attempted to program the i2c, and it will no longer show up on lsusb, so I get the feeling this is permanently bricked
10:55:48Nick_Was obtained via a woot bag of crap, so can't exactly hold high expectations
10:56:56gevaertsDid you try lsusb as root ?
10:57:32Nick_Heh, yeah, it's dead in the water
10:58:15*gevaerts wouldn't have touched the i2c
10:58:49Nick_Was throwing protocol errors when attempting to flash the bootloader, I'm pretty sure this thing had some bad flash
10:59:48gevaertsMaybe. The c200 OF also gives protocol errors if the partition table or file system is messed up
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11:01:22gevaertsAnyway, if you don't manage to fix the i2c rom, all this is somewhat academic I guess
11:04:29Nick_Not much can be done at my level without any comm on the usb, not about to resolder the flash on something that ran $1
11:13:07LinusNamiconn: it looks like people still have problems with the remote lcd
11:13:39amiconnI know
11:13:46LinusNgood
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11:18:47Nick_gevaerts: Kind of odd it won't go into pre-bootloader mode even if the i2c is corrupted
11:19:09gevaertsNick_: I guess it needs i2c for that
11:19:46Nick_Reading up on the docs it says a fully corrupt i2c rom will kick it into prebootloader mode
11:20:27*gevaerts points to other people. He only has experience with c200s with working i2c
11:20:30Nick_Might have to dig into this thing out of sheer curiosity
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