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#rockbox log for 2008-05-10

00:00:13fml Ah, ok. And what does 'automatic' mean? Automatically choose between MTP and MSC?
00:00:28BigBambiyes, which on windows = mtp
00:00:38bluebrotherBagder: is the daily build zip without date in the filename always the current one?
00:00:49Bagderyes
00:01:07bluebrotherthere seem to be some daily builds missing for 2008-05-09
00:02:18bluebrotherwhile build-info tells the most recent is 20080509 that file isn't present. But I think it'd be better to always use the current one anyway.
00:04:51Bagderls -l output/*/rockbox-*080509.zip | wc -l
00:04:51Bagder32
00:05:01bluebrothersomething is really strange here ... seems I completely broke the http class :(
00:05:04Bagderthe same amount as yesterday and the day before
00:05:50bluebrotherah -- could it be possible that I'm sometimes hitting a mirror that is missing the file?
00:06:05Bagderyes that is certainly a possibility
00:06:34bluebrotherthat explains some things ... if I use haxx instead of download I get that file.
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00:07:37Bagderyou know which mirror?
00:08:41bluebrotherno -- is there a way to tell from the error page?
00:08:56BagderI think so, but I'm not sure
00:09:10Bagderthey are videolan, positive and tbrntech
00:10:27fmlNote to rbutil authors: The OK button in the 'About' dialog is not centered (shifted to the right)
00:10:48bluebrotherit's running Apache/2.2.6
00:10:59bluebrotherI think videolan was lighttp
00:11:09Bagderyes
00:11:36Bagdertbrntech it is
00:12:17bluebrotherjust figured that too. Too slow ... :o
00:13:24*pixelma hates making typos in commit messages :\
00:13:35bluebrotherfml: what platform are you on? Just checked it on my linux box, seems to be nicely centered.
00:14:03*amiconn hates those ever-lagging mirrors
00:14:25amiconnIs there no way to reliably trigger an update of the mirrors?
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00:15:27fmlbluebrother: WinXP
00:15:33Bagderthere are millions of ways, but I want simple
00:15:51preglowbluebrother: do you use a dialogbuttonbox for that?
00:16:11preglowplacement will change from platform to platform according to conventions, if so
00:17:45bluebrotherpreglow: no -- it's a simply pushbutton centered using two spacers
00:18:05bluebrotherbut the size hint of those spacers differs. Could be the reason
00:18:12preglowalmost certainly
00:18:20preglowuse a dialogbuttonbox instead and forget about it :>
00:18:35fmlbluebrother: is there a FM presets package in rbutil?
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00:19:00*preglow doesn't think we should stuff anything imaginable into rbutil
00:19:07preglows/anything/everything/
00:20:59bluebrotherfml: no. I thought about it though. But it would require us having a rockbox-themes like backend first.
00:21:23bluebrotherand as I still have enough stuff on my todo this has to wait.
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00:24:53peturpixelma: those were copied from another simple plugin so those faults are probably elsewhere too
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00:25:59fmlIs it just on me or is the screen of c200 really worse than on e200?
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00:26:11pixelmapetur: which one of them? Any idea where you took it from?
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00:26:23peturfire I think
00:26:45pixelmafml: the screen is a different type of lcd (technically) and it's not the nicest
00:26:54amiconnThe c200 has the worst screen of all colour rockbox targets. It's DSTN (i.e. passive matrix), nit TFT like the others
00:27:02amiconns/nit/not/
00:27:41pixelmapetur: ok, thanks for the pointer will have a look
00:29:38pixelmalooks like it was dice.tex
00:29:56peturah, could be... sorry
00:30:02*petur kicks brain
00:30:31peturmy tex knowledge is mostly copy paste from other places
00:31:39fmlWasn't database refresh also "disabled" for c200 (like it was for e200)?
00:32:25pixelmafml: it couldn't, because the c200's firmware works differently there
00:33:35fmlpixelma: ah, so it's normal that the database is refreshed every time I use USB?
00:34:17pixelmathe e200s shut off after disconnecting USB and refresh on next start of the OF if a certain bit is set. The c200's firmware immediately starts refreshing the database after unplugging from USB so Rockbox doesn't have a chance to interrupt that
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00:36:00pixelmafml: yes, but you can at least make it shorter if you don't care about not being able to find that music in the OF (just write protect the OF'S "system" folder, the OF will try to refresh but soon gives up) or use a Rockbox USB build
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00:41:50fmlpixelma: thanks for the tipp! Now I get the message "Not enough space..." Is it ok? And how can I get rid of the tmp dir?
00:43:50pixelmayes, that message is normal for the system folder trick. IIRC you could delete every OF file on disk but it will recreate the folders at next USB connect (those will be empty I think, didn't try myself yet)
00:44:33fmlI tried to make it hidden but that didn't help
00:45:00fmlHe-he, I didn't expect that c200 also has radio!
00:45:18pixelmaseems all have
00:46:12fmlI mean, some e200 have and the others do not
00:48:06fmlJust installed the MySimple WPS from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH100 on Sansa c250 and it looks very nice (with nimbus12)!
00:49:18*pixelma sighs at pluginlib actions once more, just wanted to look up button definitions to mention them in the manual and now have to look for them in 3 places...
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00:49:37fmlNext song info isn't shown but the progress bar is exactly at the bottom.
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00:51:44pixelmaI even think that the built-in text only WPS doesn't look that bad with a nice font (e.g. nimbus 10)
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00:53:57fmlI use that WPS without any changes on three different daps and it looks nice every where. I can even vary fonts (not on c200) and it still fits!
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01:01:57*DerPapst doesn't like the nimbus set at all :-P
01:02:25fmlWhat do you like then?
01:03:32DerPapstthinner sans serif fonts
01:03:39DerPapstsuch as the helvetica ones
01:03:56DerPapstor ter-u*
01:04:23DerPapstnimbus is too bold for my taste :-)
01:04:56amiconnImho the nimbus fonts are the only nicely readable ones for >= 10 px
01:05:12pixelmaeuh, those skinny helv fonts that are used as default (and lacking quite a lot of characters except in the "helv12")
01:06:08pixelmas/in//
01:06:19DerPapstwell missing chars is another story...
01:06:58DerPapstbut (luckily) tasts are different :-)
01:10:24fmlpixelma: I've managed to hide the tmp folder. I made it system.
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01:40:19steelmanhello everyone
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01:56:28steelmandoes anyone know if rockbox could support ordinary Zen (not vision, not v plus, not anything) http://www.euro.com.pl/foto/7964945/7964945_2.jpg
01:56:57steelmani mean if it is feasible to port rb to this device?
01:57:01DerPapstcould soupport yes. it someone ports rockbox to it
01:58:07DerPapstif it isn't heavily protected with some obscure decryption stuff... maybe.
01:59:34DerPapsthave you seen http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort?
01:59:41steelmannot yet
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02:01:32steelmanok I'll read some more in the morning, thanks a lot for now bye.
02:02:00DerPapstbye
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02:21:17caramelalo
02:23:57caramelhello?
02:24:24DerPapst"please hold the line."
02:28:11*DerPapst wonders how long caramel is going to hold said line...
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03:57:08raulhok, i've got a question.
03:57:21raulhdoes rockbox lock files? (hides) them?
03:57:33raulhbecuase my ipods root folder has a 56456+ folder with my music
03:57:45raulhbut forsome reason there invisible when i open the folders
03:57:47raulhis it rockbox
03:57:51raulhor my ipods firmware
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04:00:10raulhis anyone there :
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04:02:40advcomp2019raulh, yes there is people here
04:04:02raulhk can someone help me then?
04:04:14raulhdoes rock box lock up music files
04:04:21raulhor is it apples firmware
04:05:41advcomp2019since i do not have an ipod, i do not know, but i will think no
04:05:55raulhmy files in a folde rin the root drive
04:05:59raulhi cant see them
04:06:01raulhthey're invisible
04:06:03advcomp2019what kind of files are they?
04:06:06raulhmp3
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04:09:11raulhthnks for your help..?
04:09:15advcomp2019you use the "Files" or "Database"?
04:09:21raulhhuh
04:09:55raulhthey're in a folder inside root of ipods drive
04:10:05raulhand i can see all folders for each album ecy
04:10:10raulhbut when i open thoe
04:10:12raulhthoe
04:10:20raulhonly 1 or 2 songs per folder show up
04:10:21raulhor less
04:10:53raulhand i am on linux, and with windows they are also hidden
04:11:14raulhsince i dont have WGA i cant install windows media player witch for some reason finds all the correct files
04:11:54advcomp2019you do not need windows media player to see the files
04:12:06raulhactually i do
04:12:14raulhits the only way it reads the hidden files inside the ipod
04:12:28raulhexploring the files they're hidden
04:12:36raulhi cant think of any other way
04:12:49raulhat the momment im uninstrlaling rockbox to c if thats it if not
04:13:02raulhim going to slaughter ipod's firmware o.o;
04:13:18advcomp2019you know that you can show all files in rockbox?
04:13:49raulhlike i said
04:13:53raulhmy screen is broken
04:14:00raulhand its dead stuck on hold
04:14:14raulhit froze when i was jogging out desert
04:14:18raulhand hiking up a mountain
04:14:25raulhso i like try'd to unblock it
04:14:30raulhwent horribly wrong :o
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04:15:18raulhif you don't know the problem thanks for trying to help.
04:16:06advcomp2019can you stop using the enter key too much.. anyway someone else might be able to help you if you stay in here more
04:16:52raulhits ok ill slaughter the ipods firmware 0.o;
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04:25:06raulhk killing firmware fails..
04:25:12raulhwell thanks for trying :)
04:25:19raulhbest be on my way
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05:02:33StylesOk, I've definitely followed the manuals and looked at the FAQs
05:03:02Styleswhen I do the menu/select thing to supposedly start rockbox on my iPod 30gb video (5.5g) it only loads the default firmware
05:03:05Stylesany advice?
05:04:20Stylesanyone? please?
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05:32:02yeal`will rockbox ipod work on my car ipod connector?
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05:40:38n2aaghey.. anyone have current info on the usability of ogg on a 3g ipod? (a friend of mine has an old one he wants to send me, but I don't want him to waste the effort if it isn't going to play my music)
05:40:50n2aagerr.. vorbis rather, to be precise
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06:09:04yeal`is rockbox better than ipod os?
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06:45:09HiddenShadowI just got a usb charger for my ipod on ebay, i used a volt meter on the port (on the adaptor) and it read 8 volts...would that damage my ipod? I thought usb ports were supposed to be 5volts.
06:45:31HiddenShadowor does the ipod have a volt limiter or something?
06:52:29yeal`the usb charget is not made for ipod?
06:52:54yeal`what company is it
06:53:56yeal`http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?t=107503
06:54:07yeal`it should be 5 volts
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07:03:16HiddenShadowwell, it says it works with ipod, but not specifically for it
07:04:35HiddenShadowhttp://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130219115647
07:04:46HiddenShadowyes, its cheapo brand >.>
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07:10:02HiddenShadowits wierd though, when i put the volt meter in the green led was on (theres a green and red one) and when i put my ipod in the red and the green were on at the same time. (when nothing plugged in, only red is on)
07:10:21HiddenShadowmaybe its doing something else to the voltage :/
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07:39:03XbooXhello
07:41:39XbooXi would like to try the USB support for rockbox with my 5.5G ipod. i came across http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb and it looks like its possible to enable it. but this looks like something that is done before compiling rockbox. if anyone has more info about this please let me know.
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07:50:52hihican someone help me plz
07:51:12hihianyone?
07:51:45advcomp2019hihi, just ask
07:52:15hihiok im using rockbox util for a 5.5g 80g ipod
07:52:19hihiand its says
07:52:23hihicant find ipod
07:52:26hihifor the bootloader
07:52:29hihiany help?
07:52:40hihimy ipod is plugged in and in disk mode
07:53:36advcomp2019can you please do not use the enter that much.. plus are you trying to install rockbox to it then?
07:54:07hihiyes
07:54:53advcomp2019are you it is a 5.5g and not a 6g
07:55:03XbooXadvcomp2019: just wondering if you got my message about the USB support.
07:55:41advcomp2019XbooX, yea but you have to build your own build with usb enabled
07:55:50hihiim not too sure. i bought the ipod early this year
07:56:16XbooXadvcomp2019: thats not good. lol
07:56:29hihiit doesnt have rounded edges.
07:56:39hihiso im pretty sure its a 5.5g
07:56:42XbooXhihi: is the face all flat or is it curved around the edge?
07:56:46hihiflat
07:56:56hihi5.5g right?
07:57:19XbooXand it looks like plastic that is panted on the under side?
07:57:43hihiyeah. the problem im having is that it says "no ipods found:
07:57:45XbooX*painted
07:58:11homielowehihi: Are you logged in as an administrator?
07:58:14XbooXwhat are you trying to use to get the loader on it?
07:58:52advcomp2019hihi, since i do not know have ipod, i am not sure myself
07:58:53hihiyes. im trying to install rockbox
07:59:13hihiits a 5.5g 80gig ipod.
07:59:26Lloreanhihi: If you bought it this year, it's probably a "Classic"
07:59:31hihiyes
07:59:36hihiit is a classic
07:59:38Llorean"Classic" is not 5.5G
07:59:43hihioh...
07:59:46LloreanClassic is 6G, not supported
07:59:56hihifucking gay.
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08:00:12hihithanks anyways guys
08:00:22advcomp2019XbooX, there is info somewhere on how to enable usb somewhere.. i do not remember the wiki page
08:00:44XbooXLlorean: do you know how long it takes to make a build for ipod?
08:01:02LloreanDepends on your computer
08:01:07Llorean1.5-8 minutes
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08:01:42XbooXLlorean: do you know where to find a build with USB enabled for a 5.5G?
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08:01:49LloreanNo.
08:02:07XbooX:/
08:02:30advcomp2019ok it is on that page you sent earlier on how to enable it
08:03:21hihimy ipod looks like th U2 edition ipod.
08:03:22XbooXadvcomp2019: where is the "makefile"
08:04:02advcomp2019hihi, have you looked at apples serial numbers to find out
08:04:37XbooXhihi: do you have album art on the right side when your listening to music and browsing the menu's?
08:05:36XbooXor does it say what your playing on that side (if your song has no art)?
08:05:42hihii dont know how to get it out of disk mode >.<
08:06:22XbooXdisconnect it from your computer, hold menu and select untill you see the apple logo on the display
08:06:41XbooXmake sure hold is disabled
08:07:44hihioh okay thx
08:08:16hihiat the front screen the album art is at the right.
08:08:39XbooXhave you used ipodwizard on it?
08:08:45hihino?
08:08:52XbooXok then you have a 6G
08:08:53hihii dont know what that is...
08:09:08hihidamnit "-_-
08:09:21advcomp2019XbooX, the makefile is in the source code
08:09:26XbooXwait
08:09:58XbooXi waited what, over a year for my 5.5G to work. its worth the wait and im sure it will one day work.
08:10:24hihii hope so.
08:10:32hihithx for the help xD
08:10:36XbooXwould anyone be ever so kind to make a build for me please
08:10:38XbooXnp
08:11:21XbooXdont i need linux if i want to make a build?
08:11:25advcomp2019hihi, look here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353
08:12:49advcomp2019XbooX, you can read this, if you have not: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
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08:13:55hihiits 6g
08:13:58XbooXyeah lol sept 2006 the 5.5G came out. and when did rockbox and ipod linux start to work on the 80gb..... the second half of last year?
08:13:59hihibye all >.<
08:14:04XbooXcya
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08:21:07LloreanXbooX: Getting the 80gb 5.5G working was a LOT easier than getting the new iPods working will be. Especially since nobody's really interested in working on 'em
08:24:55XbooXLlorean: I know.
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08:27:46joecoolwhat is the maximum hardware sampling rate of the ipod?
08:27:58joecooljust 44.1khz/16bit?
08:28:06joecoolor is it higher
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09:04:53n1shmm, i wonder why flyspray returns an empty page when searching for "all task types"
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09:13:38joecoolhrm.. rockbox seems to have issues keeping up with flac 96khz/24bit on 5.5g ipod 80gb
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09:14:06joecooli shouldn't have too much fragmentation...
09:14:48n1sjoecool: it will use quite a bit of cpu to downsample while needing to buffer much more often...
09:21:34joecoolthe disk read code is still not very optimized yet on 80gb, no?
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09:25:07n1sjoecool: i believe it is reasonably fast but the cpu gets quite a bit more work to do when playing 96kHz/24bit compared to 44.1/16
09:26:06n1smost is probably downsampling but the decode will take more time too, if you have any dsp enabled, disabling that might help
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09:41:52amiconnjoecool: The disk read code is as fine on G5.5/80 as on any other portalplayer based target.
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09:42:38amiconnOnly *writing* very small blocks suffers on them, but that doesn't matter for playback
09:42:47caramelcan anyone help me with patches?
09:43:01caramelive spent HOURS trying to figure this out and nothing i do works
09:43:35n1scaramel: do you have a working build environment?
09:43:38carameli downloaded a custom unsupported too, and it obviously didnt have any patches because none of the patches woked
09:44:03caramelno i cant get cygwin to behave... is there an alternative?
09:44:26n1scaramel: yes, the vmware image, it's usually quite simple to get it going
09:45:20caramelok
09:46:24caramelcygwin says its missing this: arm-elf-gcc
09:46:29*amiconn suddenly realised what might cause the remaining runtime penalty of rockbox on portalplayer
09:46:59n1scaramel: did you follow the instructions and installed the packages from the rockbox mirror?
09:47:00amiconnIirc the product brief states that the PP can do ATA DMA, but we don't do that ('cause we don't know how)
09:47:03n1samiconn: oooh
09:47:43amiconnSo buffering is slower in rockbox, and hence the disk is spinning for longer periods
09:47:49carameli dunno it never said to do something like that in the tut im following
09:48:27*joecool hands amiconn a cookie
09:48:28joecoolyou won a cookie!
09:48:48n1scaramel: see step 3 http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment
09:49:36joecool.... i'm tired
09:50:08amiconnIn fact it's probably ATA controller setup in general.
09:50:27joecoolooo, this isn't good... errors
09:51:00joecool2 weird artifacts... but who knows, it could just be reznor's doing...
09:51:03amiconnBut DMA would be best, as it would reduce the CPU load for disk access
09:51:22joecooloh no, this is weird
09:51:24joecooland annoying
09:51:29joecooland continuing
09:51:45n1samiconn: that should especially help when the cpu is under a heavy load already, right?
09:51:54caramelhow outdated are these tutorials? none of the things in the tutorial match up with what actually happens
09:52:45joecooli flac'ed up the 96khz/24bit copy of the slip... but it occurred to me that I'm an idiot for not just getting the 44.1khz flac version provided
09:52:55joecoolas rockbox is just gonna downsample anyway
09:53:15joecoolonly have one card in the house that can do 96khz/24bit
09:53:33joecool*sigh* this is what happens when you don't sleep
09:53:38n1scaramel: it is a wiki, you can register and fix it...
09:53:46caramel*sigh*
09:54:16n1sor just use the vmware thingy
09:54:27caramelbah too much to download
09:59:30caramelBAH HUMDUG
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10:00:34amiconnn1s: yes
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