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#rockbox log for 2008-05-13

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00:01:40voltagex_well, the segfault i was experiencing on osx 10.5 is fixed by rbutil svn apparently
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00:14:13evilnickDoes the gigabeast with fresh bootloader mount under windows or just linux?
00:14:42voltagex_evilnick: do you mean with rockbox installed?
00:15:04evilnickwell... with the bootloader installed but before I put a build onto it
00:15:21 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (i=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon)
00:15:25evilnick(I'm not comfortable enough in linux to mount and fix the partition)
00:15:40voltagex_evilnick: should boot into Bootloader USB Mode
00:16:55evilnickvoltagex_: I have done, but in Ubuntu it won't let me mount (through a right click in Computer)
00:17:16voltagex_evilnick: what about in Windows?
00:17:24voltagex_evilnick: what's the problem with the MP3 player anyway?
00:18:05evilnickThere's no problem with it, just I would prefer to do the rest of the install in a more familiar environment
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00:23:16evilnickGot it working! Fantastic!
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00:28:18saratogapixelma: the wma page is up to date
00:28:35zesweet, my CF card in this <$4 CF-IDE adaptor is working fine in my spare rio karma bits instead of an HD
00:28:58saratogawe only support WMA std, none of the special flavors (lossless, Pro, Voice, etc)
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00:30:31pixelmasaratoga: aha, will keep it in mind for next time. Maybe you can mention the latter somewhere on that page?
00:34:53saratogaok updated
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00:36:01saratogaalso i'm hesitant to say so on the wiki page just yet, but I think we're pretty much 100% WMA compatabile, at least for files above 16kbps
00:36:10pixelmagreat, thanks :)
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00:36:17lilith634hol
00:36:18lilith634A
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00:39:02*Nico_P reads about a nice looking 160 GB DAP that isn't an iPod
00:40:07Nico_P"Aigo Patriot MV5920"
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00:44:12zeNico_P: interesting looking unit/specs
00:46:19Nico_P"MP5" doesn't mean much to me though
00:46:57zefirst thing i found about it says "MP5 Player (a PMP in China that supports RealMedia)"
00:47:20zebut:
00:47:20zeVideo: MPEG-1 (DAT, MPG), MPEG-2 (VOB), MPEG-4 (AVI, Divx3-5.x, Xvid), ASF, WMV9, RM / RMVB
00:47:24zeAudio: MP3, WMA, WAV, AC3, OGG
00:47:35jhMikeSanother thing replete with NDA hardware I'm sure :)
00:47:43zehehe
00:49:22zedamn i accidently grabbed an image of the partition instead of the device when i backed this card up
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01:04:53voltagex_jhMikeS: once rockbox runs on something does an NDA really matter?
01:12:43scorche|sh...yes?
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01:17:13tkoodayah
01:17:19tkooda(oops)
01:27:14jhMikeSvoltagex_: as far as docs, sure it does. even a driver won't tell you everything about the reason it's written that way.
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01:32:16voltagex_jhMikeS: ah ok, I'm not skilled enough for low level programming like that anyway :(
01:32:49voltagex_Anyone here from Canberra? I'm looking for someone to replace the hard drive and battery in my H300
01:33:02voltagex_or rather, one of my H300s
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01:40:54zebtw if anybody ever has anything to try re firmware flashing or anything on the rio karma, i can now use flash cards with my spare board and would be willing to throw anything at it hehe
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02:14:51tkoodadoes rockbox on an 4/5th gen ipod support being controlled by the docking port?
02:17:09soapnot at this time, though there is a patch-in-progress in the tracker.
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02:36:24*jhMikeS wonders why the fancy term "digital exponential filter" was used instead "moving average" in the powermgmt code :D
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03:16:41jhMikeSactually it reduces to a leaky integrator
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04:04:46JdGordonanyone know what needs to be fixed to get a port showing the correct remaning batt life?
04:07:05jhMikeSsomehow know how much current drain there is and how many mAh remain in the cell
04:08:27JdGordoncan the numbers be fiddled with untill we get a better approx?
04:08:44JdGordonatm the mini2g says 3 hours for full when its alot closer the 13
04:09:19low_lightJdGordon: you were looking for me the other night?
04:11:17*nuonguy is a first-time rockbox user
04:11:34nuonguywhere do I put the songs so that a database refresh will find them?
04:12:46low_lightrockbox should scan the whole disk
04:12:57low_lightbut I don't use the database
04:13:40nuonguyI have a sansa e280 with music on it that it plays natively
04:14:08nuonguyI tried this on the plane a coupla days ago, and I couldn't seem to figure out what I was doing
04:14:31jhMikeSJdGordon: It might be possible to calulate a discharge rate dV/dT around the current voltage and extrapolate that from the battery curve.
04:15:31JdGordonlow_light: I was but too late, got a mini instead of a mr100
04:18:25low_lightare you doing a CF mod?
04:18:58JdGordonyeah
04:22:05low_lightI plan to try it in the mr100, but need to get an adaptor
04:22:34JdGordondoes it use the same disk as the mini?
04:24:00JdGordonjhMikeS: can that be done from a batt bench log?
04:26:27jhMikeSJdGordon: just the curve part. the deltas need to be calculated to get a discharge rate.
04:30:25low_lightJdGordon: the mr100 disk has the flex cable build in. The adapter is actually for the mini, but I think it should work.
04:30:59JdGordonah, so you cant just hook a CF card in?
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04:59:39cool_walking_http://rockbox.org/tracker is completely blank. "Content-Length: 0" is in the headers.
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04:59:58cool_walking_err.. http://rockbox.org/tracker/
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05:00:24JdGordonbecause you didnt add index.php
05:00:38cool_walking_same thing
05:00:47cool_walking_and /tracker/ has worked before
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05:06:22cool_walking_with "type" argument, it's fine
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05:47:01Shaidno failsafe in the code for users not passing a value, and script erroring and aborting, I'd guess
05:53:52cool_walking_It used to show all task types (patches, bugs, and feature requests). Just checked today and got the blank page.
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06:09:27Booth1natoryo
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06:12:44Booth1natordoes anyone know how to load rockbox and linux on ipod when it says ipod not detected when i know it is plugged in>
06:13:10advcomp2019Booth1nator, what ipod
06:13:41Booth1natorclassic 80gb running 5.5G
06:14:19advcomp20196g or 5.5g?
06:14:45Booth1nator5.5G im pretty sure
06:15:09scorcheif it is a classic, it is a 6G
06:15:50Booth1natork. so the linux and rockbox are not compatible
06:16:09scorcheneither will work ont he classic
06:16:28Booth1natorthat sux alot
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06:16:41BHSPitLappyIf it's got an aluminum exterior, you can't hack it (unless it's an old Mini)
06:17:11Booth1natorsomeone has to be able to hack it eventually
06:17:19Booth1natorcurse apple
06:17:29scorchewell, it ownt happen with no kneo trying
06:17:31scorchewont
06:18:02Booth1natorso no1 is even bothering to try?
06:18:18scorcheno one is working on it
06:18:52Booth1natorthat sux heaps
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06:23:42FyshY_ATFI need help with my IPOD
06:24:05FyshY_ATFmy install didn
06:24:25FyshY_ATFdidn't work and now i dont know what to do
06:24:44advcomp2019FyshY_ATF, what ipod
06:25:14FyshY_ATFmy ipod ...
06:25:48Booth1natorwats ur ipod?
06:26:05LloreanBooth1nator: Please use real words, not things like "ur" as per the channel guidelines
06:26:06FyshY_ATF1st gen nano
06:27:16Booth1natork
06:27:20LloreanFyshY_ATF: What do you mean by "my install didn't work"
06:27:37FyshY_ATFit says Error ! ant load rockbox.ipod: hold menu+select ro reboot then select play for disk mode
06:28:08LloreanFyshY_ATF: You haven't properly installed a build then, just a bootloader. Go into disk mode, like it says, and follow the "Installing the Firmware" instructions in the manual.
06:28:36FyshY_ATFbut i cant get into disk mode to reset it
06:28:43LloreanYes you can.
06:29:03LloreanJust hold Menu+Select, and as soon as the screen clears, hold Select+Play
06:29:58FyshY_ATFit keeps going to the black screen
06:30:11LloreanI don't know what you mean by "the black screen"
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06:30:34FyshY_ATFwhen it says error that black screen
06:30:52LloreanThen you're not holding Select+Play soon enough
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06:32:46FyshY_ATFstill the same ... as fast as my thumbs will allow
06:33:02LloreanAnd you're holding the center button, and the bottom button, and not releasing them?
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06:33:23FyshY_ATFyup ... even befor the apple appears
06:34:05LloreanWell, the thing is, the bit of code that reacts to the Select+Play is permanent code put there by apple. It runs before any of our code does, and it's the same code that goes and loads our code if you don't hit Select+Play
06:35:13LloreanSo, keep trying. Try doing it a little later, try being more careful not to wiggle your fingers, but it's permanent in-ROM code that handles this, so either it works or something has physically gone wrong with your iPod, something unrelated to Rockbox at all.
06:37:51FyshY_ATFlike my buttons not working .. is that what you mean ?
06:38:15LloreanThe most likely cause really is you just not quite getting it right.
06:38:40FyshY_ATFokay ... im trying .. =(
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06:38:49LloreanTry just turning on Hold instead of holding Select+Play, this will cause the rockbox code to load the original firmware.
06:40:05FyshY_ATFThat worked !
06:40:21FyshY_ATFnow what do it do to finish install ?
06:40:38LloreanFollow the "Installing the Firmware" instructions in the manual. I already told you this.
06:40:57FyshY_ATFsorry
06:41:00FyshY_ATFty
06:41:07FyshY_ATF*thank you
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06:59:20JdGordonanyone know what voltage goes out the ipod remote pins?
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07:00:49JdGordon3.3v apparently :(
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07:06:09JdGordonany suggestions where to get 5v from the ipod mainboard?
07:06:29*JdGordon miht have to take the easy way and cut the battery wires
07:13:36voltagex_Anyone here who can help me with a bricked H340? My second one no longer works
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07:40:48ShaidJdGordon: How about where the battery wires join the motherboard?
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07:52:52benimedunno if this is the place to address it, but the the links to the pcb scans for the iriver h1x0/h3x0 on this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverInfo are broken
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07:58:47austriancoderPlease review: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7138?getfile=16543
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08:00:54Lloreanaustriancoder: You're really best off posting to the -dev mailing list, so you don't have to worry about people spotting comments you make while nearly everyone isn't around
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08:03:58LinusNaustriancoder: shouldn't you have a BALANCE_CAP as well?
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08:04:23LinusNi can't see the connection between clipping and balance
08:05:43austriancoderLinuN: hmm.. you are right.
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08:20:45LinusNhehe, it's a little embarassing to have the W3C XHTML badge in the forum when the markup contains 165 errors... :-/
08:21:03LloreanYeah...
08:21:13LloreanI went through and fixed it, long ago. But the new menus contain most of 'em
08:21:20LloreanNew menu on the left, that is.
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08:22:25*Llorean just needs to sit down and step through them again sometime soon
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08:24:24LinusNfixing...
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08:25:16JdGordonBUGGER! seems I lost my rec screen patch
08:25:26*JdGordon not having a good day :/
08:25:27voltagexIs it possible to source capacitors and resistors to fit the H340?
08:25:49RomanianIs there a way to scandisk in Ubuntu?
08:26:12voltagexRomanian: FAT32 or EXT2/3?
08:26:24voltagexRomanian: that's a question for #ubuntu
08:26:24Romanianvfat, which = FAT32 afaik
08:26:34RomanianRight, thanks.
08:26:37voltagexbut fsck.fat32 i think
08:27:07Romanianer, it's for my external HDD MP3 player
08:27:40voltagexRomanian: yeah. try fsck /mnt/mp3player
08:28:32RomanianMany thanks.
08:28:37voltagexworks?
08:29:21Romanianhaha
08:29:29Romanianit wasn't connected :\
08:29:54voltagexthat generally helps
08:30:11Romanianhmm, I'm not sure what the mount point is
08:30:16Romanianoh, IAUDIO
08:30:30RomanianNo, I lied.
08:30:46voltagexopen a console and type mount
08:30:47Romaniangah, it's not showing up
08:30:57voltagexin ubuntu it should be /media/IAUDIO
08:31:10Romanianaye, it should
08:31:12Romanianthere we go
08:31:31cool_walking_You shouldn't have it mounted when doing fsck.
08:31:42cool_walking_And fsck wants the device node, not the mount point
08:31:53RomanianSo it'd be /dev/*** ?
08:31:56cool_walking_yeah
08:32:07RomanianHow do I know what the *** would be?
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08:32:24cool_walking_"fdisk -l" as root
08:32:31GodEatercheck the output of dmesg when you plug it in too
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08:32:52*austriancoder Build should have been done 6m 32s ago, at 08:26:06
08:32:54Romanianaye, sdb
08:33:10cool_walking_it should be a partition i.e. have a number at the end
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08:33:18Romanianyes
08:33:26RomanianUse first FAT or second FAT?
08:33:30RomanianFAT32, LFN
08:33:47Romanian"FATs differ but appear to be intact"
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08:34:16Romanianwhat?
08:34:40Romanianit says "free cluster summary wrong", and I say "correct", but then leaves me with "Leaving file system unchanged."
08:35:01GodEaterI don't think fdisk will fix the file system if it's mounted
08:35:08Romanianit's not mounted
08:35:37GodEaterhave you tried fsck -a ?
08:35:43codingtiggerAny one had problems installing rockbox on a Sansa e250 from Vista?
08:36:22JdGordonUAC probably causing trouble?
08:36:24GodEatercodingtigger: yes I believe quite a few people have - it's normally the UAC stuff getting in the way
08:36:25cool_walking_codingtigger: Never tried, but the first thing I'd check when dealing with Vista is that you have admin rights.
08:36:48RomanianI just did "fsck -a /dev/sdb1" and it appeared to have worked, since "sudo fsck /dev/sdb1" gives no more info
08:36:57codingtiggercool_waling_: I have admin rights.
08:37:05codingtiggerGodEater: What's
08:37:09codingtiggerUAC?
08:37:14bughunter2google it :P
08:37:17GodEateryeah
08:37:20codingtiggerk
08:37:47codingtiggerk, got it. I'll fiddle with it for a bit...
08:37:50GodEaterUAC == Stupid Vista feature that causes more trouble than it solves (IMO)
08:38:13Shaidlike most vista features
08:38:28bughunter2GodEater: why? i thought it was just one popup?
08:38:32GodEaterlike vista period
08:38:35bughunter2if you admin rights that is :)
08:38:48bughunter2s/you/you have/
08:39:00GodEaterbughunter2: because people keep pestering us about it ?
08:39:06bughunter2:P
08:39:40codingtiggersorry, didn't mean to bug you guys about UAC
08:39:55GodEatercodingtigger: we don't blame you, we blame M$ :)
08:40:10codingtigger:)
08:40:18JdGordonwhats the point of flashing the remote LCD when recording starts?
08:40:28codingtiggerMaybe a note in the users manual would help too. :)
08:40:52JdGordonno, it doesnt flash.. it just says "remote lcd off" then "remote lcd on"!?
08:41:10GodEatercodingtigger: it would - but no-one's written one, and none of the regular manual contributors own vista to my knowledge
08:41:14RomanianOn a side note, do you think a Conroe-L (Celeron) would be enough for a home-built NAS?
08:41:24GodEaterit would be nice if someone who actually HAD vista could write such an item and submit it to us
08:41:26GodEaterhint hint
08:41:35codingtiggerhehe
08:41:47GodEaterRomanian: what has that to do with Rockbox ?
08:41:49codingtiggerworking on it...
08:41:57LloreanRomanian: NAS has nothing to do with Rockbox...
08:41:59RomanianWhoa, what? fsck -a /dev/sdb1 seemed to have added a hell of a lot of files to my player.
08:42:08RomanianI know it doesn't. Hence the side-note. No response was required.
08:42:22scorchethere are no side-notes here..
08:42:24LloreanRomanian: This channel is on-topic, please keep it that way.
08:42:26RomanianI see.
08:42:26voltagexRomanian: PM or #ubuntu
08:42:43*cool_walking_ trying not to say "..only Zuul"
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08:44:23cool_walking_Romanian: Or read the channel topic for somewhere else to go.
08:47:03codingtiggerSo, I have admin rights, I disabled the UAC grab-your-desktop thingy, and when I try to drag the .rockbox folder from the zip file to my device, Vista doesn't let me do it.
08:47:09LinusNLlorean: the markup is valid again
08:47:28LloreanLinusN: Thanks. :)
08:47:40codingtiggerIf I use 'Extract all" like the manual says, I can't selec my device as the destination
08:47:49codingtiggers/selec/select
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08:48:06GodEatercodingtigger: can you not just type the drive letter in ?
08:48:20codingtiggerVista doesn't give me a drive letter
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08:48:31GodEaterthen you have it in MTP mode, and not MSC
08:48:43codingtiggerof course!
08:48:54codingtigger*operator error*
08:49:00GodEaterPEBKAC :)
08:49:08*JdGordon just found the rec trigger screen... wtf?
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08:49:50codingtiggerAnd it was clearly written in the manual too. I feel kinda stupid
08:50:18GodEaterif a day goes by and I've not done something that makes me feel stupid, I mark it with a smiley on the calendar
08:50:33JdGordongot many smileys? :D
08:50:37*amiconn really wonders what austriancoder is trying to achieve with his audio code shuffling :/
08:50:47GodEaterJdGordon: I've never needed any yet ;)
08:51:01JdGordonhehe
08:51:02amiconnBesides, if you really want to structure the audio code properly, the MAS code needs one more split.
08:51:37amiconnThe combination of MAS3507D + DAC3550 has quite different audio handling than the later MAS35xxF family
08:52:46voltagexreally, really need to source parts for my H340... :(
08:52:49voltagexwindow 4
08:52:51voltagexoops
08:52:55voltagexyou're not irssi
08:56:06codingtiggerOk, all good. Rockbox is up and running on my device. Thanks again!
08:56:54austriancoderamiconn: clean up sound.c and move all target specific code out of sound.c... later I want to use dsp in the sim
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08:58:39JdGordondoes anyone here use the rec trigger screen?
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09:00:31LloreanJdGordon: I don't use recording at all, but is that the screen where you can set it up to start recording if there's a certain amount of noise?
09:00:50JdGordoni guess so, I also dont use it
09:02:13markunaustriancoder: I think it's a good idea. Makes it a lot easier to add a new sounds codec without having to changed the many #ifdefs in sound.c
09:02:14JdGordonit uses the sysfont, inline settings, way too much code
09:02:17*amiconn always wondered whether anyone apart from the original implementer uses it
09:02:34JdGordonwho put it in?
09:02:56LloreanI think it's popular among the REP crowd.
09:03:30JdGordonit adds *ALOT* of code... would use much less if it didnt do its own drawing
09:03:35amiconnhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PhilippPertermann
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09:04:01amiconnIt does its own drawing because it show a peakmeter for adjusting the trigger levels
09:04:06amiconn*shows
09:04:26JdGordonI see that... and understand why before vp's this was needed
09:05:06JdGordonreally all I want to know is do all the settings need to be visible on the screen at the same time? or can we out the settings into a list like normal ones with the peakmeter under it?
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09:05:55amiconnThe idea is that you adjust those settings and be able to immediately see the effect through the peakmeter
09:06:08JdGordonyes, thats fine... the pm will stay
09:06:31amiconnI *hate* those inline settings, but for this purpose I see no other way that would work equally well :/
09:06:44markunamiconn: why do you hate them so much?
09:07:37amiconnThey're confusing and ugly
09:07:37JdGordonwould it be OK to put a regular list above the peakmeters? (making sure that entering the setting will still show the peakmeters?) the list would then only show the setting name, not the values also
09:07:50markunamiconn: in what way confusing?
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09:08:28markunI tried a inline settings patch once and rather liked it. You can check the value without the need to enter it
09:08:44JdGordonpixelma: hey, do you use the rec trigger screen?
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09:08:58JdGordonmarkun: seen 8968?
09:09:28amiconnThe values have different lenghts, and on a crowded screen (read: archos) they're looking strange in conjuction with the settings. And adjustment of those settings is inconsistent with the rest of rockbox
09:09:29JdGordonpetur: hey, sorry about last night, seems I've lost the