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#rockbox log for 2008-05-16

00:02:01 Join cbr|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130)
00:03:59preglowproblems, yes, but nothing in that area has changed
00:07:36*gevaerts dislikes FS #8230. The bug is about the manual, but the discussion is about the feature
00:07:56 Quit ompaul (Client Quit)
00:08:28Lloreangevaerts: Well, if the feature were to be changed it would be directly relevant to updating / including it in the manual
00:08:38amiconnpreglow: I was referring to the wrapped lines bug
00:09:15 Nick bertrik_ is now known as bertrik (n=bertrik@171-012-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl)
00:09:45Lloreangevaerts: If you feel like implementing my suggestion and then documenting it, all this can go away. ;)
00:10:22*gevaerts blames Llorean for all this ;)
00:10:49gevaertsCan manual specialists review my patch in FS #8230 ?
00:10:52*Llorean adds another item in his "list of things that are my fault"
00:11:35peturheh, I recently saw FS #8993 but had forgotten all about it
00:12:03*gevaerts gives Llorean more paper so he can make a really long list
00:12:42Lloreanpetur: That's the first time I've seen someone report an "event not found" panic.
00:13:08peturI saw it about two weeks ago, only seen it once
00:14:58bertrikI think I've seen someone mention it in the forums
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00:15:27preglowamiconn: the bug is there even if loaded directly via tcctool
00:15:53preglowamiconn: only difference is that the upper two lines are no longer wrapped to the bottom, just clipped
00:16:10preglowamiconn: plus, it's pretty unlikely a load error can result in that
00:16:31preglowcan the sansas boot from sd?
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00:17:53*gevaerts never tried
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00:18:29shotofaddsevening boys n girls...
00:18:29bertrikevent 257 is DISK_EVENT_SPINUP, this event is removed in unregister_ata_idle_func, which is only called from scrobbler_shutdown as far as I can see
00:18:38shotofaddsjust a quickie as I saw you were discussing the repeated lines bugg..
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00:19:07preglowshotofadds: oy, what do you know about how the sd card power is hooked up? :>
00:19:59shotofaddsthe bug isn't related to flash access, I suspect it's caused by the LCD reinitialisatio between bootloader and main binaries. I haven't investigated too much tho.
00:20:16shotofaddspreglow: I know about as much as you :p
00:20:29shotofaddshave you checked the PCF outputs listed on the wiki?
00:20:45preglowi'm definintely on the right track with the sd stuff, now my problem is that i can't make the sd card report it's powered up. when i get that going, it should progress faster
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00:21:04preglowshotofadds: yeah, disabling most of those voltages gives a black screen and needs resetting
00:21:17*shotofadds is glad those chinese guys actually got the D2 to boot and display the theme correctly :-)
00:21:18preglowshotofadds: disabling d1reg does little
00:21:35preglowwhat lpreg1 and 2 do i don't know, and i don't really dare enable them yet
00:21:41shotofaddsI noticed the black-screen-y-ness and stopped playing with those regs...
00:22:02preglowshotofadds: any idea how the cpu power is hooked up? the pcf doesn't seem to generate 1.1 volts
00:22:05preglow1.2
00:22:17shotofaddsI have some psuedo-code for the OF PCF init, if that helps
00:23:03preglowwould be cool
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00:25:23shotofaddstry http://www.pastebin.ca/1019554
00:25:53preglowsweet, thanks
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00:27:27shotofaddsI can't guarantee its correctness, though. if you want to check, it's really easy to find in the disassembly.
00:27:58shotofaddsit's the first BL in the routine pointed to by the LDR PC at 0x200000e8
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00:29:31preglowhmmm
00:29:34preglowdcdc isn't touched
00:29:38preglowi should read back what that contains
00:29:50preglowafaik, pcfs come preprogrammed with system voltages, for reset situations
00:30:22shotofaddsyes, I suspect they're preprogrammed.
00:30:45shotofaddsyou can retrieve pre-initialised values by shutting down the OF and booring Rockbox
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00:31:01shotofaddshmmm.. that's not what I meant
00:31:04shotofaddsand makes no sense at all
00:31:06shotofaddsignore me
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00:35:30*shotofadds will be back in a few days. Feel free to fix the D2 LCD bug in the meantime :p
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00:40:17bertrikAnyone know of any particular reason why function name STOP_AUTOSCROLL in credits.c is all upper-case?
00:40:25*preglow suddenly wants to work on unifying the pcf drivers
00:40:52preglowamiconn: is rockbox meant to have a common i2c api across targets?
00:40:55preglowwould it even make sense?
00:41:21preglowi would just have to put pcf5060x_write and _read in target/, i guess
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00:42:15meowsqueakgot a strange problem - just wanted to know if I should submit a bug report:
00:43:22meowsqueaksometimes when I pick up my Iriver H120 and it was turned OFF, I notice the backlight is already on and it displays something like "Unknown Event ID 257" (sorry, can't reproduce right now, don't know exact message). If I hold OFF then it disappears and Rockbox boots. Is this a message from the bootloader perhaps?
00:43:59meowsqueakthe problem is it appears to be running down my batteries - so it must be happening a fair bit when I'm not observing it
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00:44:34meowsqueakit started happening about a week ago, after I upgraded Rockbox recently.
00:44:35bertrikMost likely it already happened on shutdown and you only notice it later
00:45:09meowsqueakbertrik: I've been keeping an eye on that, you might be right. I don't think I've seen it happen after shutdown yet tho. In fact it hasn't happened in a few days.
00:45:24bertrikmeowsqueak: can you try the fix in this bug report http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8993 ?
00:45:30meowsqueakI'll take a look
00:45:54bertrikIf you know how to reproduce it, please add it to the task
00:46:02meowsqueakyeah that's the message
00:46:13meowsqueakI don't know how to reproduce unfortunately, but I'll have a think about it
00:46:33preglowmeowsqueak: weird... doesn't look like rockbox has such a string
00:46:46meowsqueakpreglow: bootloader maybe?
00:46:53preglowjust grepped the entire tree
00:47:01preglowincluding bootloaer
00:47:07meowsqueakah
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00:47:50preglowsure that's exactly what it says?
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00:48:04bertrikpreglow: it's in events.c line 72
00:48:08meowsqueakbertrik: thanks for the tracker link - I'll report back there if I find anything
00:48:09preglowyeah, no "id"
00:48:19meowsqueakpreglow: the message is: *PANIC*
00:48:19meowsqueakevent 257 not foun
00:48:22meowsqueakd
00:48:38preglowwell, the bug seems to be noticed
00:48:39meowsqueakaccording to that tracker, which looks right
00:48:44meowsqueakbut my memory isn't perfect
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00:52:45peturbertrik: that fix looks good code to have anyway, why not commit it. Since it is a bit of a rare bug, we'll see if it stops happening after today ;)
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00:53:54bertrikpetur: OK, but I wonder why scrobbler_shutdown appears to be called multiple times.
00:54:20peturI remember there was something changed in that area recently *goes looking*
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00:56:15bertrikor maybe we should not worry too much about it...
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00:56:51peturbah... red :(
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00:57:09bertrikwith the fix, scrobbler_shutdown becomes completely safe against multiple calls
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01:00:15caveman26I have a sansa c240, rockboxed, can I use a 8GB microSDHC card with it without any issues?
01:00:57preglowshould work
01:01:54caveman26rockbox is awsome
01:02:11caveman26finally... a portable with paremetric EQ
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01:03:12preglowand what an eq it is!
01:03:14preglow:P
01:03:17caveman26what exactly does the "dithering" setting do?
01:03:21pixelmacaveman26: but you can't use your c200 as card reader to put files on there - because it relies on the original firmware for USB still and the OF can't deal with the card
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01:03:37k-manany idea how i can convert m4a files to m4b?
01:03:37pixelmait = Rockbox
01:04:28caveman26I dont have any problem using another reader to get my music on the card, I just want to make sure a 8GB will work be4 I buy one
01:04:44preglowcaveman26: the manual has a nice entry on that, but in short, it converts from a higher bit depth sample to 16 bit samples without introducing digital sounding noise
01:05:16preglowcaveman26: it's not something you'll notice too well unless you have golden ears
01:05:40caveman26I do notice a lil difference
01:05:51caveman26but the bass is better withot it
01:05:53caveman26lol
01:07:20caveman26te HDD failed in my X5 :(
01:07:20preglowi doubt the bass is changed much by dithering, but whatever floats your boat is ok :)
01:07:46caveman26didnt even get a chance to rockbox it
01:08:03preglowtoo bad, the x5 is a better player if you like eqing
01:08:11caveman26yeah
01:08:14caveman26way better
01:08:16preglowmuch more processing power
01:08:25caveman26I love that BBE mach3bass
01:09:10caveman26but now im stuck with the sansa for now
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01:12:43*petur wonders if bertrik is going to commit his fix
01:12:48caveman26got an ipod too... but I REFUSE to use it.... it has audio outputs worse than a $2 transistor radio :/
01:14:03*bertrik did already, it's in 17533
01:15:03caveman26do all ipods have shitty audio or is mine a lemon?
01:15:18preglowdcdc is set to 1.3 volts
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01:15:23preglownow that sounds more like the core voltage
01:16:08peturcaveman26: rockbox sounds like a bag of shit
01:16:31*petur only sees 17532
01:16:44bertrikit didn't trigger a build apparently
01:17:47caveman26rockbox improved the audio on my sansa
01:17:57peturah I see it in svn, so it is the build server
01:18:25caveman26didnt even bother putting it on the ipod.... theres nothing that can save its crappy audio
01:18:43peturcaveman26: I was making a joke (see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoldenQuotes)
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01:21:06caveman26LMAO
01:21:10caveman26those are funny
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01:22:27kugeljust saw: http://www.misticriver.net/2008/04/iriver-ihph120/
01:22:38caveman26I didnt buy the ipod.... it was given to me, tried it out... hated the audio, put it a drawer, hasnt seen the light of day since
01:22:53kugellooks like we have a supported player which is newly available :)
01:23:09preglowkickass
01:23:18preglowh120 is likely to remain my preferred target for a while yet
01:24:51*kugel was never used to irivier players
01:26:00caveman26that ipod has a 80GB hard drive, is it possible to use it as a ext. hard drive to back up stuff? I use linux and I know some ipods have issues with linux
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01:28:00preglowsure
01:28:12preglowfew ipods should have issues with linux
01:28:18stripwaxcaveman26 - not really a rockbox question - but yes, all ipods can act as external hard drives
01:28:20preglowyou can't use itunes, but that just counts as a blessing, if you ask me
01:28:30caveman26lol
01:28:36caveman26I hatew itunes
01:28:45preglowbodes well for your sanity
01:29:25caveman26but I cant see any other purpose for ipod since the audio section is worse than horrible.. LOL
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01:29:52stripwaxit's ok
01:29:53*preglow skips along to bed
01:30:02preglowgnight everyone
01:30:28caveman26I think mine might just be a bad one... but I hevent hered other ipods to compare
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01:31:19caveman26I wonder if I could take the HDD out of the iod and get my X5 going again
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01:34:53caveman26I would love to see how the rockbox upgrade works on the X5
01:35:44*stripwax sleeps
01:36:24*petur too
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01:40:48caveman26where can I get different themes for my c240 rockbox?
01:41:03caveman26not mutch of a selection on the rockbox site
01:41:43caveman26theres TONS of them for the ipod and X5... but only a few for the c240
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01:44:07Lloreancaveman26: This would be because few c200 owners seem to be interested in making themes. You're welcome to contribute though.
01:44:17caveman26ok
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01:55:55pixelmaanother reason could be that there is no official c200 wps gallery... ;)
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02:37:24Ezrahey
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02:37:47Ezrahow do I get the doom plugin so that I can play doom on my mp4 player?
02:38:17scorche|shyour "mp4 player"?
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02:52:56krazykitEzra, assuming you mean a device that doesn't run rockbox, you'd need to port rockbox to your device, since the doom plugin is part of rockbox (see the NewPorts wiki page)
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03:05:37EzraI do have Rockbox running on it..
03:05:51Ezrabut when i try to install doom, it says I need a plugin.
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03:05:56Ezrawhere do i get that plugin?
03:06:04scorche|shthen i suggest you read the PluginDoom wiki page
03:06:12Ezra?
03:06:17Ezracan I have a linky?
03:07:48scorche|shgo to the wiki, type that at the box at the top of the page
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03:09:31Gartralthe build enviroment package doesnt work... in VMWare or Qemu... it keeps spitting 10.0.2.2 sent an invalid ICMP type 3, code 3 error to a broadcast: 10.0.2.255 on eth0
03:11:39scorche|shGartral: something is wrong with your setup then
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03:14:11Gartralive redownloaded the package, tryed it accross 3 systems, on different networks, and it just doesnt work, the previos package never worked either
03:14:49scorche|shwhen does it do this?
03:15:27Gartralright after starting the networking interface, it also causes the X11 server too fail...
03:15:45Gartrali have a CLI thats it
03:16:03scorche|shi dont know what to tell you then...i have had any such issue and have not seen anyone else have this issue
03:16:34scorche|shs/have had/have not had
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03:17:35Gartrallast time i DLed the package i had the MD5 checksum in too verify it too
03:18:46scorche|shperhaps it is an issue with your version of VMware?...like i said...i have not heard of this issue before
03:19:03Gartralright now im using Qemu
03:19:10scorche|shi should be making a new image soon though, so perhaps it can wait till then
03:19:28scorche|shwell, the package was designed with VMware in mind...i am not sure how well it will run on Qemu
03:20:01Gartralwell ive been trying too get into the build enviroment too start codeing for rockbox... i have a few ideas, and ide really like to start working on them
03:20:23scorche|shwhat OS are you running?
03:21:21Gartralmabey you could do a seperate Qemu build as well? i know there both rather popular, and i thing keeping the backend for codeing Open source is as essential as the firmware itsef
03:21:36Gartralwin XP pro, slightly hacked....
03:22:02scorche|shi suppose i could try if it is needed
03:22:12scorche|shand "slightly hacked" is awfuly vague
03:23:42Gartrala new UI shell, better drivers... drm disabled at the Registry level... nothing that should comprimise the RBBE
03:24:14Gartralknow a pastebin for screenshots, google is failing me
03:24:18scorche|shwell, being that you are the only one with this issue...
03:24:40scorche|shyou can still try cygwin int he meantime...or even colinux
03:25:15Gartralerr... ide rather not, this is technically my dads system... used as a studio comp
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03:26:01Gartralknow a paste bin for screenshots, google is failing me
03:26:11scorche|shand why can you do vmware and qemu, but not cygwin or colinux?
03:26:58Gartralbecause both of those run off a flash disk... cygwin edits the registry too add its entry
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03:30:01Gartralhttp://imagebin.ca/view/WjrE40k.html <−− finally
03:31:44Gartralfound a pastebin
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03:38:12soapGartral, is Windows firewall on?
03:39:13Gartralyes, but i *think* i was configured...
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03:39:31scorche|shmight want to turn it off just to be sure..
03:39:45soapKill it from the services control panel.
03:40:02soapYou have too many variables you "believe" are non-issues to make this troubleshooting easy.
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03:43:03Gartralim just adding the programs and port, hopefully that will work
03:43:15scorche|shno...turn it off to be sure
03:44:27Gartrali wont do that... i have no other in system firewall, and only one external firewall....
03:44:59scorche|shdont worry...nothing is going to happen to your computer...
03:45:23soapStop port forwarding at your external firewall and kill the MS one, with no ports forwarded nothing is going to happen.
03:45:59Gartralmy external doesnt even have port forewarding
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03:47:57Gartraltrying with properly configured firewall in qemu
03:49:00soapOT: but if your external isn't forwarding ports than Windows firewall is doing little but burning CPU cycles.
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03:50:06Gartralnot really... its a wireless network, and there are BHs in the building who use my network
03:51:27Gartralwell, it failed again
03:51:35Gartraltrying without a firewall
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03:53:25Gartralahhh crap... it failed yet again
03:54:20soapthat's ok - we have one variable taken care of now.
03:54:36Gartralthe exact same error
03:55:00scorche|shtry on a "regular" windows PC...
03:55:07Gartraldont have one
03:56:04Gartralthe other two systems i tryed this from were liabrary systems
03:56:12scorche|shthen we are at an impass..
03:57:31Gartrali can log in through the terminal...
03:58:26Gartraland yet i can ping websites and get a result....
03:59:11soapit is only when using the GUI you get this error?
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04:00:12Gartralwhen trying too start The XDM...
04:00:18Gartralperiod
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04:00:41Gartralthrough either fluxbox or actuall X11
04:00:54soapok - to build you don't need X
04:01:27Gartralbut that error message interupts anything i do
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04:12:55Gartralany idea?
04:15:07soapno, and the sad thing is I had what appears to be this problem ~18 months ago. Really stumps me as I see myself in the logs asking the same question, but have no idea A:why I was using vmware. B:what solution I found.
04:16:11Gartrali think its just the code base
04:16:29soapwhat code base?
04:16:31Gartralvmware... i no like vmware
04:17:13scorche|shdont blame it on vmware when dozens of other people have used it just fine and from a bit of searching, i can only see 1 other having the same issue
04:17:48soapI strongly suspect it is not. My computer at the time I asked this very same question was incapable of running vmware - this is why I _strongly_ suspect it is a Windows issue.
04:18:55Gartralgreat... another wonderfull kludge form micro$oft
04:19:01soapand thus why I had you kill the worthless Windows firewall, since this issue appears to be network related.
04:20:26Gartralbut killing the windows firewall had no effect for me
04:21:15soapFWIW, you can install a full Gnome desktop Ubuntu setup with a full Rockbox build environment, games, and open office on a $20 4GB memory stick. This is what I do on my work laptop - doesn't impact my existing (locked down) work drive at all.
04:22:02soapYea - I wasn't sure it was a firewall thing - but you're getting a network-related issue - killing software firewalls is a good troubleshooting step.
04:23:25Gartralyea.. i could clear some space my 8gig cruzer...
04:24:02soapthat drive will be slower than a 4GB sandisk cruzer.
04:24:13soapsignificantly, and noticeably slower.
04:24:42Gartralno... i removed the stupid builtin software enviroment
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04:25:11Gartralafter i did that, it became a very fast flash drive
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04:25:27soapno - large flash chips are slower than smaller ones. Nothing to do with U3. Unless it is "speed rated" (claiming 150x or faster) 8GB drives are SLOW.
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04:25:51soapand the Sandisk Cruzer ones are slow.
04:25:59Gartralbeside, i wont complain, i found the thing infront of a bar
04:26:00soapBut this is off topic for #rockbox.
04:27:04Gartraland my final word: i get around 300 MB/s transfer speed with that drive, so, im all good
04:28:03soapNo flash drive is close to that fast, you're seeing cached numbers or something.
04:28:41Gartraloops... one extra 0 in there... sowwie, and thank you
04:34:05DerPapstJdGordon: this was odd.. i just tried the new disktidy plugin on my beast and forgot to enable all files first and ran "Start Cleaning". I expected it would say 0 files removed but it removed 2 files infact....
04:35:15Gartralwould someone give me the link too the twiki page with instructions on how too disable the sansa DB refresh?
04:35:40scorche|shsearch..
04:35:43DerPapstah, wait, do i remember corretly if you never go into "Files to Clean" it removes all files?
04:35:55DerPapstthat would explain it ;-)
04:36:29Gartrali searched... but Twiki said there wasnt anything >.>
04:37:19DerPapstanyway.. good night all ;-)
04:37:34Gartralgoodnight
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05:26:38TwistHello I have a question for you guys.
05:28:56TwistI am trying to install Rockbox onto my ipod 80 gb video and i am using the Rockbox utility. When i do a full install it tells me there arnt any themes and then just stops there. How can i fix this?
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05:30:17scorcheit is temporarily disabled for your device due to bandwidth concerns...feel free to grab them here http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/index.php?res=320x240x16
05:30:32scorchethere is the WPS gallery in the wiki as well
05:30:43TwistIs there anything else it has to install onto my ipod after the themes or not?
05:31:04scorchewell, it doesnt *have* to install the themes
05:31:36TwistWell what im trying to say does it install anything after the utility asks you what themes you want.
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05:43:06caveman26is there a way to set a photo as background in the "now playing" screen?
05:43:22JdGordonconvert it to bmp
05:43:25caveman26cant find a setting for it
05:43:31JdGordonresize it and set it in the wps code
05:43:48caveman26ok
05:44:10caveman26just put some photos on it, it will vew them, but thats all
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05:45:20JdGordonno.. look on the wiki for the WPS syntax... the bmp has to be crrect size, and filename and location
05:45:43caveman26ok
05:47:26caveman26didnt realize just how mutch the screen sux until I looked at some pics on it
05:47:27caveman26lol
05:47:45caveman26its definately a passive matrix type
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05:51:48caveman26I cant beleve the CPU on my cheap sansa is dual core... SMP kernel any1?
05:51:50caveman26lol
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05:52:31JdGordonwe have a SMP kernel (well some parts)
05:52:34meowsqueakhere's a silly-sounding question - why is my directory listing *backwards* (reverse order)? I can't find a setting to change this.
05:52:54JdGordonsettings > general setting > file view > ...
05:53:51meowsqueakJdGordon: ummm
05:53:54meowsqueakthere's no 'order'
05:54:00meowsqueakjust sort by 'alphabetical'
05:54:12meowsqueakit's Z-A, i.e. Z at the top, A at the bottom
05:54:33meowsqueakit started doing this when I upgraded RB about 2 weeks ago
05:54:41meowsqueaklatest build today also does this
05:54:48meowsqueakand I see no option to reverse the sort order
05:54:53meowsqueak(yes I've done a 'clear config' too)
05:55:00JdGordonim sure there is a setting... lemme look for it
05:55:27caveman26just put rockbox on my snasa about a week ago... have had no problems
05:55:48JdGordonmeowsqueak: is 'a' after 'Z' ?
05:56:05caveman26it totally beats the hell out of the original FW... and I can play .ogg files... finally :)
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05:56:09meowsqueakJdGordon: odd - just set it to sort by date, then back to sort 'alphabetical' and it's now in the correct order.
05:56:16meowsqueakmust have been something left over from an old build
05:56:23JdGordonodd
05:56:35meowsqueakyeah, oh well, problem resolved - thanks anyway :)
05:56:55TwistIs there a difference in making Rockbox make the database or converting the itunes database yourself?
05:57:43JdGordonthere could be..
05:57:51JdGordonbest to let rockbox do it for you
05:57:55TwistWell right now my ipod isnt playing any songs..
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05:58:51TwistIm trying to play the song but it dosent play anything. I press the play and pause button and it dosent do anything.
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06:10:16TwistDoes any one have any idea why it wont play the songs that i loaded from the database on my ipod?
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06:17:30advcomp2019Twist, what type of files
06:17:50TwistThey just started working all of a sudden. But thanks anyways.
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06:47:46webguest123I have a question regarding the recording application on the 30GB iPod Video.
06:47:59webguest123Anyone know how to use it for a 30GB iPod Video/
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06:50:27scorchewebguest123: do you have a microphone?
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07:34:51amiconnHmm, strange...
07:35:55*amiconn thought rockbox supports recording on ipod G3, but obviously it doesn't
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08:29:39Lloreanamiconn: Do you know, does being in the recording screen prevent idle shutdown?
08:30:17amiconnNo, but on hwcodec there's a bug
08:30:55amiconnThat is, it prevents shutdown when actually recording, but not in recording standby
08:31:06LloreanI'm just curious about this now "Stop+Shutdown" feature, since it seems redundant to a "Stop" feature, and a decent idle shutdown time.
08:31:14Llorean*new
08:31:49amiconnOn hwcodec, if you're in recording standby and idle poweroff kicks in, it will "panic: recfile -1" and not shut down
08:32:31LloreanDoes the new feature trigger the panic?
08:32:41amiconnDunno...
08:33:01amiconnProbably not, because it stops after an actual recording
08:33:36amiconnIirc that panic only happens if you didn't record yet
08:34:14LloreanAh
08:34:18amiconnI also think this new feature is redundant
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08:35:02amiconnUnless someone has idle poweroff disabled, that is
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08:35:36LloreanYes, but you have to decide in advance to set an option either way. :)
08:35:56LloreanAnyway, I was just curious. I don't use recording, so I wasn't sure if it was mostly redundant, or if it was necessary for some reason.
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09:22:16B4gderhttp://iriver-t10.sourceforge.net/custom-firmware.html
09:22:26B4gderis indeed interesting
09:23:12B4gderfor all the iriver T10 owners around :-)
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09:28:42amiconnrockbox.wma
09:30:28peturyeah
09:30:30petur:)
09:30:38linuxstbB4gder: Is that a similar CPU to the Meizu?
09:30:51petursounds like a bag of shit (if you play is as wma) :)
09:30:58B4gderI don't know
09:31:09B4gderdidn't check those details
09:31:18linuxstbI see he links to this page - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58
09:31:27B4gderah then it is yes
09:32:02B4gderand he builds big-endian
09:32:06linuxstbSimilar, but different..
09:32:38linuxstbHopefully he'll try porting Rockbox...
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09:43:37B4gderand it seems we have another arm disassembler in the works too there
09:43:39B4gderhttp://iriver-t10.sourceforge.net/libdisarm-api.html
09:55:20B4gdermaybe we should all write one disassembler each and see which one that becomes the best?
09:55:43peturin true open source spirit :/
09:56:12B4gderoh yes
09:57:45linuxstbVery Darwinian...
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10:03:45HangukMiguk_how should i go about syncing my ipod on linux now that i have started using rockbox (especially concerning ogg, seeing that gtkpod tries to convert ogg into mp3)
10:04:34*B4gder suggests usync cp or rsync
10:04:41B4gderusing even
10:04:51*B4gder signs up for typing class
10:04:57HangukMiguk_lol
10:05:11HangukMiguk_any specific directory i need to copy them into for them to be picked up by rockbox?
10:05:17B4gdernope
10:05:24B4gderanyone you think fits
10:06:22LloreanWell, any folder but those inside .rockbox. It's hidden in filetree mode, and ignored by the database.
10:07:01HangukMiguk_but in order for them to also work with the original firmware (_should_ i decide to take off rockbox, doubtful now though), i would have to redo it with gtkpod?
10:07:19LloreanYes
10:07:33LloreanOf course, oggs won't work with the original firmware not matter what, anyway.
10:08:26HangukMiguk_yeah, that's kind of the reason i started using rockbox, plus the ipod firmware was too plain
10:08:51*petur hands HangukMiguk_ a /Music/ directory
10:09:13HangukMiguk_i think i found that directory
10:10:58markunnice, this code looks a lot shorter than ifp_decode and can also encode: http://iriver-t10.sourceforge.net/bzr/irde/irde.c
10:11:29markunI wonder if the s5l8700 based irivers also have the DFU rescue mode
10:12:13markunlook like it: http://www.misticriver.net/forums/iriver-t10-t30-series-flash-players/51659-iriver-t10-dead.html
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10:16:39markunI can try to enter DFU mode with my gf's T30 this week
10:21:37HangukMiguk_grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr my ipod keeps locking up when i try to copy music files to it
10:22:08LinusNHangukMiguk_: perhaps your disk is corrupt?
10:22:21HangukMiguk_well that would be peachy
10:22:25HangukMiguk_it never did this in gtkpod
10:23:22LinusNperhaps you should try an fsck on it
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10:24:02Schinken-hey there!
10:24:46Schinken-is it possible to change the rockbox key-controls to the Apple IPod software controls?
10:25:09B4gderthe code is there!
10:25:20B4gderpoke, recompile, install, run
10:25:34Schinken-ok .. is there an easier way? :D
10:25:38Schinken-like config files..? :)
10:25:43scorchewell, rockbox has many more key functions, but if you want to change it to be more apple-like, you are going to need to edit the code and recompile
10:25:47scorcheno
10:25:49HangukMiguk_running now
10:25:54LloreanSchinken-: If there were an easier way, we'd have suggested it. :)
10:26:00Schinken-hm okay...
10:26:05LinusNi'm not sure i understand the question
10:26:19HangukMiguk_also, is there a way to make rockbox play random songs on my ipod, like the shuffle songs feature in the ipod firmware?
10:26:31B4gderHangukMiguk_: that are multiple ways
10:26:40LinusNHangukMiguk_: create a playlist and shuffle it
10:27:10HangukMiguk_one without making a playlist
10:27:24LloreanHangukMiguk_: When you play music in Rockbox, you've always made a playlist...
10:27:38Schinken-im using the "Database" feature to play songs
10:27:41HangukMiguk_like, i just want it to shuffle my entire database of songs into one large loop
10:27:52Schinken-Browsin' to the Artist .. select all tracks.. and its playin :D
10:27:59LloreanHangukMiguk_: Then shuffle the All Tracks entry
10:28:55HangukMiguk_fstab: FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT?
10:29:06HangukMiguk_i have the option of using first or second
10:29:23Schinken-A question to the users who use rockbox a long time... how do you select songs.. do you create everytime a playlist with songs? (im not a fan of playlists.. i select a band and shuffle the songs)
10:29:26HangukMiguk_not fstab, fsck
10:29:28HangukMiguk_oops
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10:35:42markunSchinken-: I usually click the first song in an album and let it play, later I add some new albums with "insert last"
10:36:04Schinken-hm k
10:36:14Schinken-i love rockbox... but i miss the simple controls...
10:36:14markunthe fact that the songs are in a playlist doesn't bother me at all
10:36:57markunSchinken-: we have been using rockbox for too long to even notice if something is not simple, so any suggestions on how to improve are welcome I think
10:36:58Schinken-im using rockbox for about half a year... but still mussing the apple controls.. but dont want to use the apple software ... fucking itunes binding... :D
10:37:55markunI never used an ipod, but I remember I had some small problems in the beginning when I was used to the iriver h120 firmware
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10:39:18Schinken-markun creating a playlist is simple on the ipod.. for example... just hold the center button for 1 sec oder 2 .. the title blinks.. and the song is in a "on the go" playlist...
10:39:45markunI have to go now
10:39:51Schinken-i need a software like the apple software.. but without itunes binding :D
10:39:55Schinken-hm okay.. cya
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10:44:51webguest91someone knows here whats going on with the USB HOST on the iaudio X5?
10:46:02gevaertsyes, nothing right now
10:46:12scorcheit is sitting there looking pretty
10:47:20webguest91too bad:(
10:47:30gevaertsFeel free to work on it :)
10:47:45webguest91if i had the knowledge
10:48:51webguest91seems like it never get to work
10:49:10gevaertsI want to work on it some time, but it's not right at the top of my list
10:49:30webguest91what is on the top?
10:49:38scorcheyou can learn...then, at least, you will know it will get done *sometime*
10:50:05markunSchinken-: back again (for a short while)
10:50:16webguest91hehe.. all that s writen in C right?
10:50:48GodEaterwebguest91: mostly
10:50:50gevaertswebguest91: finishing USB device on portalplayer/imx31, usb device on TCC/samsung, and (maybe) usb audio, although that may come below usb host
10:50:57markunI think rockbox' focus is a bit different from what you want. We try to get as much out of the players as we can.
10:52:11gevaertsSchinken-: one very impotrtant thing about rockbox on ipod is that the ipod is just one of many supported players, and consistency between different rockbox targets is much more important than having the UI work as much as possible like the OF
10:53:04webguest91the only lack on the X5 is the USBHOST?
10:56:32LinusNwebguest91: we haven't yet implemented the battery charging correctly
10:57:23LinusNwebguest91: unfortunately, the USBHOST on the X5 uses a chip that has no public documentation
10:58:13*gevaerts forgtot this issue as well...
10:58:17LinusNso there is a risk that it will never be implemented on the X5 unless the documentation magically shows up
10:58:18linuxstbAre we also lacking an official dual-boot bootloader for the X5?
10:58:28LinusNtrue
10:58:35LloreanIsn't there a suitable patch now?
10:58:47LinusNi *think* so
10:58:56B4gderI think so too
10:58:58LloreanI remember one claiming to be, but I had no grounds on which to determine.
10:59:03gevaertsI do think however that there is a reasonable chance that the usb host will be OHCI, just like 95% of the market
10:59:46LloreanIf the dual boot patch can be tested, maybe that can be part of the global bootloader update everyone seems to think we ought to have. :)
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11:04:58LinusNgevaerts: it's an ALi M5636 - happy googling :-)
11:05:37gevaertsLinusN: not going to :) Once we have an OHCI driver, someone just has to find the base address in the OF and with any luck it might work
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11:21:06pixelmaBagder: I thought the column of the old Zen Vision M build would vanish once it is empty but it seems it doesn't...
11:21:35*Llorean seems to remember mention of the column existing for more than just the displayed rows, so taking longer to vanish.
11:22:03pixelmaaha
11:22:11B4gderthe table is made a lot longer in memory
11:22:16B4gderand just cut at 20 lines for show
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11:34:13MartinRIs it known, that the CPU stays boosted when skipping to the next track while buffering is still in progress?
11:39:06MartinRThis also happens when the 1st track is very short, so that the 2nd track starts while still buffering.
11:39:34MartinRBuffering stops prematurely and CPU remains boosted.
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11:44:33LloreanMartinR: If there's not a filed bug report for it, it's probably not known.
11:45:55MartinRLlorean: Maybe it is related to FS #8964 somehow?
11:47:00LloreanIf you think it's related, add your description as a comment. But I'd say you should open a new task, then add a comment to that one linking to your new task and mentioning they may be related.
11:47:28MartinRLlorean: I'll do.
11:52:06HangukMiguk_how long should it take for my database in rockbox to update?!
11:53:58HangukMiguk_it's been going for about 10 minutes
11:56:23LinusNit can take a loooong time if you have many music files
11:56:59LinusNthe first update takes a long time, but subsequent updates are fast
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12:07:50pixelmaHangukMiguk_: did you chose "update now" and do you have the database set to "load to RAM"? (Guess there is the option on your player - which player is it?)
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12:23:40Gartralim sick of the sansas stupid DB refresh every reboot, how do i kill it?
12:24:13gevaertsWhat kind of sansa ?
12:24:25Gartrale250 v1
12:25:02gevaertsDoesn't the refresh suppression work ?
12:25:37B4gderit only works on some specific OF versions
12:25:39pixelmaI think it still refreshes when connecting to USB (hence starting into the OF)
12:25:59B4gderno, I don't think it does
12:26:08Gartralhow do i apply thhe refresh suppression
12:26:19gevaertsSeveral ways have been mentioned : don't select a language in the OF or make the SYSTEM directory read only
12:26:36Gartralits that easy?
12:26:54gevaertsI haven't tried them
12:27:31Gartralwell.. i just made my SYSTEM folder read only... so here it goes
12:27:55pixelmathe system directory trick is very easy and works on my c200, it's not completely suppressing the update (it tries to but stops afte a few seconds)
12:28:08Gartralnope... it just un ROed it
12:28:29pixelmait did what?
12:28:46GartralRO = Read Only
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12:29:54pixelmathen the e200 OF is more "intelligent"
12:30:13Gartralwhat else can i try?
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12:31:18gevaertsThe "don't select a language" trick I guess. Maybe you have to reinstall the OF for that though, I'm not sure
12:32:20pixelmaor you could try Rockbox USB...
12:33:00Gartralhowever... i did find a small bug with the OFW... if the DB fails too refresh on USB boot... the device charges and gives you the norml menu, AND (for what its worth) will play files
12:33:55Gartralmy problem is it keeps saying it ran out room and too free up 6MB
12:36:18pixelmathen it was not able to remove the write protection from the system directory...
12:37:43Gartralno... thats the problem that sparked my intrest in wanting the DBR removed
12:38:22*pixelma can't follow...
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12:41:18Gartrali came in too ask how too remove the database refresh, because the thing keeps saying its out of memory, with it really isn't, its got 400 MB free... i want its retarded red error screen that comes up to go away, permanently...
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12:42:11LloreanGartral: If you need help fixing bugs in the OF, contact sandisk.
12:42:51Gartrali dont want help fixing it, i want it too go away
12:42:52marazSo, is there a working mikmod patch for recent SVN revisions?
12:43:03LloreanGartral: It's a problem with the OF though. So ask Sandisk.
12:43:18gevaertsGartral: try verifying the filesystem
12:44:59marazhttp://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29331 Someone PLEASE port this over to rockbox.
12:45:18Gartralit would take a month for a reply, and ide probably have too call some indian dude who sounds like a girl reading off of an idiot chart.... i dont like corporations, nor do i like dealing with them, think of it, the reason the opensource community in general exists is too offer an alternitive too stinking pig filled corporations, and there awful hogwash
12:45:50gevaertswell, yes, but we still can't help you with OF problems...
12:46:08LloreanGartral: And the reason #rockbox exists is to help people with Rockbox, not their original firmware.
12:47:05pixelmamaraz: there is a mikmod patch in the track (making it a plugin) but haven't heard much good about it so far. There is another patch which gives a mod codec (works fairly well, the thing that annoys me most that it lets the mods loop infinitely and you have to skip forwards)
12:47:13pixelmas/track/tracker
12:47:26marazWell, the looping wouldn't bother me
12:47:32marazI'd just want s3m/xm/it support :/
12:47:43marazall the good cracktro tunes are xm...
12:48:06pixelmathe codec one doesn't support these formats
12:48:32Gartralthe reason im asking here is because when i plug my sansa in, it spits the error screen saying it needs 6MB freed for the database... and it causes the sync code too fail.. meaning i have too unplug the sansa, reboot it, wait for the DBR screen too come back, spit its error, ok it, THEN plug it back in
12:49:12LloreanGartral: That's not a reason for asking here. None of that has anything to do with Rockbox.
12:50:23pixelmaGartral: so this already happened before you made the system directory read only? Why didn't you say so in first place...
12:50:25LloreanPlease, respect the channel guidelines and restrict yourself to questions relating specifically to Rockbox.
12:50:51Gartralpixelma: i did...
12:51:36*gevaerts reads the backlog and can't find where Gartral said that
12:51:41LloreanGartral: No, you didn't. We can all scroll up and read what you originally asked, and there was no mention of that error message until several suggestions had been made.
12:52:26Gartralohh.. sorry... ive been up for a day n a hlaf
12:52:32Gartralhalf*
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12:55:35Gartrali checked the filesystem, its fine, i even reinstaled the OFW... and RB
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12:56:48LloreanGartral: As I've said. This is clearly a bug in the original firmware, and you should seek help with it elsewhere.
12:58:16pixelmathe "free x MB for the database" is something I get with the system directory read only trick but on the c200 it doesn't hurt because the c200 refreshes its database on USB disconnect and not connect. Maybe try some sansa forums, I think I once read something about it in the official one (off sandisk's site, not anythingbutipod)
12:58:38Gartrali agree with one thing sansa said... "we failed at creating a useable firmware"
12:59:29LloreanGartral: This is your last warning: Things like that, which have nothing to do with Rockbox, are off topic here.
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13:11:48gevaertsWhat if the DAX bootrom finds a NAND without valid firmware
13:11:49gevaerts?
13:12:05linuxstbThen I would guess it defaults to USB boot mode. (just guessing...)
13:13:32gevaertsWould reinserting the NAND board after booting be doable in a safe way ?
13:13:46linuxstbI don't think I would try it...
13:14:15gevaertsMight be worth it as a last resort
13:14:29Gartralno... at best you would get an error... at worst, the NAND board and/or the main logic board might fry
13:15:07*amiconn thinks it would probably crash the device without permanent damage
13:15:32markunBagder: do you know if the ipod nano2 bootloader was dumped using DFU mode?
13:16:11DerPapstthe flash rom is encrypted too :-/
13:16:29DerPapstspeaking of the nano 2g here
13:16:36linuxstbmarkun: http://home.gna.org/linux4nano/dumping_SST39WF800A.html
13:16:48markunthanks
13:17:05*linuxstb thinks encrypted the ROM is taking things too far ;)
13:17:17markunlinuxstb: looks a bit extreme :)
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13:17:31linuxstbIt's almost as if Apple want to prevent people running their own code, or cloning the hardware....
13:17:52markunI've seen posts about the DFU mode in the nano2 and shuffle2, su I would hope that the samsung DFU tools would work.
13:19:28*amiconn isn't surprised that the flash rom is encrypted
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13:21:25DerPapsthowever it contains a map at the end not present in the aupd image. flshdisk flshdiag flshlogo and logo. like the ATA!osos things etc.
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14:13:00MTeeanyone there ?
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14:14:51Gartral-looks at his hands- i think so
14:15:26MTeehello petur .. I 've downloaded the source code, When I want to make a patch, do I have to go through the whole code first ? or can I just go through the specific part of the code that I want to change ?
14:16:00peturwhatever you need to understand what you're doing ;)
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14:20:24MTeepetur : I see, I hope I wouldn't need much :)
14:20:54peturstart small and work your way up....
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16:48:57rpj8Hey guys. I'm having trouble making my backdrop remain after a reboot
16:49:32domonokyrpj8: how do you reboot, and where is the backdrop stored ?
16:49:51rpj8backdrop is stored in / and /.rockbox/backdrops
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16:50:08rpj8I set it by going to files (main menu) and then selecting it as my backdrop
16:50:18rpj8Then I just turn the player off and on again
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16:50:34LambdaCalculus37Which player, out of curiousity?
16:50:39domonokyyou have to use the "set Backdrop" function on the one inside the .rockbox idr..
16:50:45rpj8LambdaCalculus37: iriver h10
16:50:50domonokys/idr/dir
16:50:50AceNikhey whats the scene with FS #8992
16:51:02rpj8domonoky: How do I show hidden files though?
16:51:07rpj8or navigate to it.
16:51:18rpj8As far as I know the files menu is chrooted to /files/
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16:51:43domonokyrpj8: there is a file view mode in rockbox, see manual on how to change it..
16:51:48AceNikrpj8: just show all files
16:52:21AceNikrpj8: just hold on the left soft key for 2 mins, & press the appropriate button to change the view mode to show all files
16:52:26rpj8AceNik: Thanks. That did the trick. I didn't know it had a long hold-select menu.
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16:52:59rpj8Excellent. The batman iriver is near complete
16:53:03rpj8Thanks guys.
16:53:11AceNikrpj8: in the main menu also if you hold the right button for a few seconds you will get the appropriate options
16:53:30AceNikrpj8: what you making ? whats batman iriver, i have one id liek to try it
16:53:40domonokyit really helps to read the manual.... :-)
16:54:07rpj8domonoky: The manual is a bit untidy for my likings. I did find everything else that I needed to know, though
16:54:20rpj8AceNik: It's just a backdrop. I change dthe4 oclors around so that they'd match the backdrop.
16:54:21AceNikdomonoky: i know :) but it also helps to use the player more, tweak it more fiddle around
16:54:31domonokyrpj8: feell free to help making the manual better.. :-)
16:55:01AceNikanyone working on this or is it fixed ? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8992
16:55:37rpj8domonoky: I'm no program dev =/. I've never done anythign like that. But my two cents: The manual needs to be better sectioned off. As of now it seems that a ton of parts are thrown into one area.
16:56:19LambdaCalculus37rpj8: The manual is written using LaTeX. It's merely a document markup language.
16:56:26rpj8AceNik: http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6138/batman1jq8.png
16:56:33AceNikrpj8: well the limitation with the section stuff is this is probably the best the scripting lanuage can get us too, but still you can write a wiki page of you ideas or something
16:56:37LambdaCalculus37rpj8: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX
16:57:04AceNikrpj8: which irver do you have ?
16:57:11rpj8h10 20GB
16:57:51AceNikhey can you accept pvts
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17:00:39AceNikrpj8: did you get my pvt
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17:07:56AceNikdomonoky: hows rockbox utility coming along
17:09:08domonokyAceNik: it seems to work good..
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17:23:26AceNikdomonoky: any chance of having a rockbox utility slimmed down to a "web application" that way people can embed the application into their pages
17:24:20gevaertsYou want low level usb access from a _web application_ ?
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17:24:33domonokyno chance, you dont have access to drives from a webapplication..
17:24:40*gevaerts doesn't even want to think about the security implications of that sort of idea
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17:25:07AceNikno rather just let them get the build made on server then let it jus give them a complete ready build to download
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17:25:31*gevaerts is confused now
17:26:24gevaertsYou can download a build from the server now if you want to
17:26:28AceNikwhoever hosts the application will have all the files assembled in a zip on their server, then when the complete zip is ready the users can download it, i know the rockbox utility functions a different manner where each component is loaded independantly but this can be possible
17:27:05AceNikgevaerts: ya but the slimmed down web app can just be a way to assemble a build with extars in it think about it
17:27:13AceNikextras*
17:27:30domonokyAceNik: which components do you mean ? rbutils main job is bootloader install, detection and such... unzipping a build can be done without tool..
17:27:30*gevaerts thinks, and still doesn't understand what advantages this brings
17:29:06domonokyand nearly all extras dont need to be updated with every build.. so combining them in a zip wouldnt be wise...
17:29:41AceNikyes i know that, & mostly for the ipods & stuff, but cant there be a way where usb drive can be accessed by asking the users permission
17:31:03gevaertsmaybe it can be solved (although I doubt it will be easy or problem-free), but why ?
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17:31:46domonokyat least the patchers are impossible as webapplication, you can get raw disk access out of the browser..
17:31:53AceNikgavearts: i just think it will be a better way rockbox web application which can be embedded n websites & also ont he main rckbox webite
17:31:57AceNikwebsite*
17:32:10gevaertsI think this is a solution in search of a problem...
17:32:25AceNikdmonoky: ya thats what, then that disk space can be used for processing
17:32:55domonokyups... replace can with cant...
17:33:00AceNikgaverts: oh come on, its wortha good try, we got all the code, just need to port it as a web application
17:33:10domonokyso its impossible, and doesnt make sense..
17:33:28gevaertsYou probably can get raw disk access and/or raw usb access if you use a signed activex component on windows, but I'm not sure how to do it on linux or mac, and I predict browser-support nightmares
17:33:30AceNikdomonoky: there has to be a way, im sure
17:33:34domonokyand its surly not "just a port" a webapp is something completly different..
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17:34:11AceNikdomonoky: well then let it be on hold for now, ill look little into it
17:34:13gevaertsYou can probably integrate an installer into a powerpoint presentation or a boot sector virus if you want to, but that doesn't make it a good idea either...
17:34:37domonokyAceNik: if you want it, you can try todo it... but we wont help you.. :-)
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19:03:15jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: pong?
19:06:51LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Your most recent commits for the Gigabeast are for power management, correct?
19:10:14jhMikeSI was just finishing out the head file. No functional change with that. (Doing that helps me get more familiar with it too).
19:10:33LambdaCalculus37So no significant changes?
19:11:15jhMikeSwhen there are there will be no ambiguity in the commit message about it :)
19:12:25LambdaCalculus37Okay. To be honest, I was a wee bit confused about exactly *what* the commit did. :)
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19:24:06LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: Greets!
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19:38:33Davide-NYCHello Rob!
19:39:07Davide-NYCI purchased a Gigabeat S yesterday.
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19:39:45Davide-NYCThe OF looks OK but getting the files on and off of that thing seems like a bit of a nightmare.
19:40:11LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: Wanna hop into #rockbox-community for a bit?
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19:55:23Davide-NYCquestion: On my GBS, if I set the bootable flag BEFORE installing the bootloader will I cause problems for the OF?
19:55:30BigBambiNo, it'll be fine
19:56:01Davide-NYCWill I then be able to access the HD as a UMS?
19:56:16BigBambiNot from the OF, but Rockbox USB will work in linux
19:56:30BigBambi(I don't think Windows cares)
19:56:40LambdaCalculus37You do have to fix the partition table for Linux to see the drive.
19:56:45LambdaCalculus37According to this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInstallation#Step_2_Fix_your_Gigabeat_s_parti
19:56:51Davide-NYCSo the MSC is implemented in software.
19:56:51BigBambiyes, you do
19:57:01BigBambibut I don't think Windows cares about it
19:57:05BigBambiDavide-NYC: yep
19:57:17LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: No, Windows doesn't care about it.
19:57:22BigBambiOr partially (before gevaerts shouts at me)
19:57:27Davide-NYCBigBambi: when you say windows doesn't care I'm not sure I understand.
19:57:37BigBambiDavide-NYC: You don't need to set the flags for windows
19:57:47BigBambiIt works with the invalid flags that are originally present
19:58:01Davide-NYCWinXP prompts me to install drivers. Of course I have no disk and am having trouble finding them.
19:58:09BigBambiUsing rockbox?
19:59:04Davide-NYCno. what I am trying to do (and tell me if this is not possible) is to retrieve the files on the HD before installing RB.
19:59:34BigBambiI don't know if MSC lets you copy things back off, but I doubt it
19:59:40BigBambis/MSC/Mtp
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20:00:10Davide-NYCyeah, I think not. Any good disk imaging utilities that work over USB under windows?
20:00:35BigBambino idea I'm afraid
20:00:39LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: Not sure. Is the Gigabeat in recovery mode or in the OF right now?
20:01:08Davide-NYCOF
20:01:20bertrikCygwin can also use dd to make backups AFAIK
20:01:47Davide-NYCbertrik: will try that.
20:02:07LambdaCalculus37IIRC if you install the patched nk.bin with the bootloader from within the OF, it shouldn't format the drive.
20:02:23BigBambiNo it doesn't
20:02:39BigBambiBut the files transferred as MTP are not too useful
20:02:52BigBambi(IMO of course)
20:03:31LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: Yes, because like with an iPod, the file names are obfuscated and stuffed within subfolders in a larger "Content" folder on the root of the S hard drive.
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20:04:13Davide-NYCAre the metatags intact?
20:04:20LambdaCalculus37That they are.
20:04:32Davide-NYCWell, at least they can be batch renamed then.
20:04:36LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: There's a good set of instructions here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInfo#Loading_code_from_Windows
20:04:47LambdaCalculus37That should at least get the bootloader installed for you.
20:05:13Davide-NYCAkk~! Running out of time.
20:05:15LambdaCalculus37Once you get the bootloader installed, you can use the Bootloader USB mode to transfer a build and some files.
20:05:16Davide-NYC:-P
20:05:29LambdaCalculus37What happened? Gotta run back to work?
20:05:51Davide-NYCStuff needs to get done before EOD.
20:05:56Davide-NYCFun times!
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20:06:37*LambdaCalculus37 hopes Davide-NYC has a successful Rockbox install
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20:09:20VoradorIs anyone trying to fix bug tracker?
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20:17:15VoradorStill blank -> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/
20:18:17DerPapsthttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4
20:18:22DerPapstworks here :-P
20:19:44VoradorI know, that viewing bugs works, but registration is broken.
20:19:59VoradorI can not confirm my registration.
20:21:11BigBambiVorador: I believe it is known about by the tracker admins
20:22:56VoradorHow can you be so sure? It's not evident unless you try to register new account.
20:23:51BigBambiBecause it has been brought up here before
20:25:13VoradorFew days ago. Now I am just wondering if the right people did see that.
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20:26:52BigBambiVorador: Yes, I'm pretty sure they did
20:27:46BigBambiVorador: But you must remember rockbox is a spare time project, and people have real lives
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20:29:28VoradorOkey.
20:30:33BigBambiVorador: One of the Swedes are the chaps, but I can't remember which for the tracker (LinusN, Bagder or Zagor)
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20:34:08moosBigBambi: Zagor IIRC (hi btw)
20:34:25BigBambimoos: righto (hello0
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20:34:56weatherundergndhowdy
20:35:06BigBambiyo
20:35:30weatherundergndi have iRiver H140 and i'm about to flash Rockbox on the player. mostly because of .sid support. ;)
20:35:45LambdaCalculus37Good choice! :)
20:35:59LambdaCalculus37Do you want to know how the flash procedure works?
20:36:07weatherundergndshould i go with "releases" or "current build" ?
20:36:09*BigBambi points to the manual in that case
20:36:13LambdaCalculus37Current build.
20:36:16weatherundergndok
20:36:20BigBambiweatherundergnd: There isn't a release for the h140
20:36:27LambdaCalculus37The last release was ages ago, and only for the Archos devices.
20:36:31weatherundergndok
20:36:46weatherundergndH140 should be H100 compatible ?
20:36:57BigBambiH120/H140 is the build you want
20:36:58LambdaCalculus37Get the H120/H140 build.
20:37:13LambdaCalculus37H100 is for the older H110/H115 players.
20:37:15weatherundergndj
20:37:18BigBambiH110 and H115 and nor compatible with the H120/H140 (different amount of RAM)
20:37:21weatherundergndok
20:37:25weatherundergndi missed that
20:37:31weatherundergndi just thought about H100 series
20:37:40LambdaCalculus37One last thing... by "flash", do you mean "initial install" or "flash to the player"?
20:38:03weatherundergndflash the player
20:38:10weatherundergnddunno what you mean about initial install?
20:38:21weatherundergndi have H140 stock firmware
20:38:27BigBambiweatherundergnd: You need to flash a bootloader to the player to then install rockbox to disk
20:38:37weatherundergndok
20:38:40BigBambiBut you can also flash rockbox itself, which removes the iriver firmware
20:39:02BigBambiHowever, that is unreleased and not recommended at the moment (just in case)
20:39:05weatherundergndis it possible to keep both?
20:39:07LambdaCalculus37"Initial install" meaning "this is my first time installing Rockbox".
20:39:08BigBambiYes
20:39:13weatherundergndok
20:39:15LambdaCalculus37You can dual-boot.
20:39:18weatherundergndwell it's my first time
20:39:22BigBambiweatherundergnd: Just follow the instructions in the manual
20:39:23weatherundergndi'm a virgin :D
20:39:35*domonoky recommends the manual and rbutil to weatherundergnd
20:39:42LambdaCalculus37Start here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h100/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-90002.3
20:43:42weatherundergndi'm wgetting http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/win32/rbutilqt-v1.0.5.zip
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20:43:44weatherundergndat the moment
20:44:32weatherundergndI:\H140\c\rbutilqt-v1.0.5>rbutilqt.exe
20:44:33weatherundergnd?
20:44:42BigBambiwhat?
20:45:44LambdaCalculus37You don't have to run it from the H140. You can extract it to your computer's hard drive.
20:45:46weatherundergndnothing
20:45:53weatherundergndi'm just starting the .exe
20:45:59weatherundergnddon't wanna brick my player
20:46:06BigBambigood, but you don't need to tell us everyhting you are doing
20:46:10weatherundergndbtw: the installation has spelling mistake
20:46:17BigBambiwhat/
20:46:35weatherundergndThe configuation will
20:46:44weatherundergndshouldn't it be configuration
20:46:58BigBambiyes, where exactly is it?
20:47:17weatherundergndwhen first started rbutilqt.exe
20:47:31weatherundergndYour configuration is invalid. This is most likely due to a new installation of Rockbox Utility or a changed device path. The configuation will now open to allow you correcting the problem."
20:47:55BigBambidomonoky: one for you next time you commit something rbutil related I think
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20:49:05*domonoky changed locally, and will commit it with the next bigger rbutil change.. :-)
20:49:13BigBambicool ;0
20:49:28*BigBambi kicks his shift key in the nuts
20:49:29weatherundergnd"Complete Installation" or "Smart Installation" ?
20:49:43BigBambicomplete should work in 1.0.5
20:50:05domonokythere is no "smart" its small... but i would use the individual options on the second tab.. :-)
20:50:15domonokybut all should work...
20:50:23BigBambidomonoky: I thought complete was oK in 1.0.5?
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20:51:02domonokyjup complete install should be ok...
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20:58:50weatherundergndthe "Complete Installation" is ready
20:58:55weatherundergndshould i just reboot the H140?
20:59:04LambdaCalculus37Yep.
20:59:11BigBambihave you been into the OF and flashed the patched .hex?
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21:03:42weatherundergndOF?
21:03:52BigBambioriginal firmware
21:04:04weatherundergndBigBambi: nope
21:04:13BigBambiyou need to do that then
21:04:19BigBambidid rbutil not prompt you?
21:04:25weatherundergndyes
21:04:28domonokythats the problem with the complete install. people dont read the output of the botloader install.. .
21:04:38domonoky:-)
21:04:57BigBambidomonoky: That's a perennial problem with anything :/
21:05:32domonokyyou have to use the "upgrade firmware" option in the OF to upgrade to the firmware rbutil put on your device..
21:06:13weatherundergndi ran the installation executable
21:06:14weatherundergndhttp://pastebin.com/m49075120
21:06:24weatherundergndafter rebooting that's the stuff i got on my player
21:06:33weatherundergndbut it boots the normal iRiver firmware
21:06:46BigBambiso have you done the firmware upgrade in the iriver firmware?
21:07:11BigBambias I asked a few minutes ago, and as rbutil told you to
21:07:15weatherundergndnopes
21:07:19BigBambi....
21:07:26*domonoky points to what he has just written... you need to upgrade. !! ..
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21:07:48BigBambidomonoky: It seems people don't read things even if said directly to them in IRC ;)
21:07:49weatherundergndi first need to patch Rockbox diff's to original firmware?
21:07:52BigBambino
21:08:16BigBambias both domonoky and I have said, just select firmware upgrade in the iriver firmware
21:08:21weatherundergndok
21:11:25weatherundergndit's working
21:11:37weatherundergndi think :)
21:11:45BigBambicool
21:11:59weatherundergndthe installer is too easy
21:12:00BigBambiThe manual is now your friend (hint hint)
21:12:01weatherundergndi think :D
21:12:05weatherundergndok
21:12:21weatherundergnddomonoky or BigBambi: neighter of you are into C-64 stuff?
21:12:45BigBambiweatherundergnd: that'd be off-topic - for random chat see #rockbox-community
21:14:49weatherundergndok
21:15:12weatherundergndeventhough i haven't tested Rockbox i'd like to thank you guys for your help
21:15:22BigBambino problem :)
21:15:26weatherundergndhave a nice weekend
21:15:32BigBambiyou too
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21:25:12Buschelamiconn: you there?
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21:33:23Buschelanyone with an iaudio m5/x5 here?
21:33:27weatherundergndi've been testing this for like 10mins and i already love this
21:34:19LambdaCalculus37We're glad you're enjoying Rockbox.
21:34:30LambdaCalculus37Now go load music on your iriver and rock out all night. :)
21:34:47weatherundergndi've loaded some .SID's already
21:34:49weatherundergndand .FLAC
21:34:54weatherundergndboth work nicely
21:35:00goffaBuschel: i have an x5l
21:35:01weatherundergndi'm into SID music
21:35:20weatherundergndthis is a REALLY nice bonus that it uses TinySID to replay the .SIDs
21:35:35weatherundergndi guess the old module formats (MOD/S3M/XM) work also
21:35:46weatherundergndsomeone on CSDb recommended Rockbox
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21:38:25LambdaCalculus37MOD, S3M, and other tracker formats only work with a patch; search for FS #8680 in Flyspray.
21:38:43LambdaCalculus37Also look at FS #8806.
21:38:59LambdaCalculus37Speaking of which...
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21:39:56LambdaCalculus37preglow: Still going to commit FS #8680?
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21:47:15weatherundergndhmm. i hear some clipping voice when playing songs..
21:50:05weatherundergndi hear clipping noice if i don't have USB cable connected
21:51:07gevaertsAny objections to committing FS #8230 (manual addition on usb charging)
21:51:09gevaerts?
21:52:44BigBambinein
21:52:53LambdaCalculus37Nope.
21:53:07weatherundergndme neigher, but does anyone have clue what's making the clipping noise when playing songs?
21:53:32BigBambiclipping in the sound files?
21:53:37weatherundergndyeah
21:53:45weatherundergndplaying .SID / .MP3 or anything
21:53:47BigBambiwhat are the volume and bass/treble settings
21:54:06BigBambialso, try turning on the precut in the equalizer
21:54:31BigBambiI meant actual clipping in the sound files
21:54:34weatherundergndis there something like "set default settings" in rockbox?
21:54:41BigBambiyes
21:54:44BigBambiCheck the manual
21:54:45*Buschel has FS #9000 :)
21:55:04LambdaCalculus37\o/
21:55:11mcuelenaeresomebody here with a m:robe 500 with Rockbox on it?
21:55:24BigBambiweatherundergnd: Rockbox doesn't fiddle with your music unless you tell it to, hence no auto no-clipping etc
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21:56:28gevaertsNow what should we do with FS #8230 ? The actual bug is fixed, but the comments are full of semi-related feature requests
21:56:44LambdaCalculus37mcuelenaere: JdGordon has one, I believe.
21:57:08*pixelma wonders whether austriancoder reads logs or follows tracker
21:57:24BigBambigevaerts: I'd close it and say to open a feature request for specific requests
21:57:26Buschelamiconn: if you could check fs#9000 with your iaudio thuis would be great. 1) i am not 100% sure whether mpc is still matching the size of the iram on your target 2) speed difference is of interest
21:57:31Buschel*this
21:57:34gevaertsmcuelenaere: kkurbjun has one according to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxTesting
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21:58:22mcuelenaerekkurbjun: around?
21:58:39mcuelenaereor JdGordon?
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22:00:42austriancoderpixelma: logs.. no.. tracker.. hmm
22:01:18pixelmapeople reported problems with bass/treble settings on targets with software tone control
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22:01:57austriancoderpixelma: i know of them.. and i will fix them
22:03:22gevaertsBigBambi: I would, but only one or two of the comments are about the original bug, the other 15 are on the new feature, so "just" opening a new feature request would be annoying. OTOH at least half of the commenters can reopen the bug if I close it...
22:03:58BigBambiIf the bug itself is fixed, then that bug report can be closed IMO
22:04:25BigBambiIf anyone wants to branch off into something else, they can do, either in a new topic or by reopening
22:04:27*gevaerts closes it. If Llorean doesn't like it, he can always reopen it :)
22:04:37BigBambi But the discussion carrying on there helps no-one
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22:05:07BigBambiit is difficult to find a discussion on something in an wrongly named tracker report
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22:06:52gevaertsOf course it could be retitled and edited to reflect the new status as a feature request.
22:06:59austriancoderpixelma: svn up and all problems are gone
22:07:14BigBambigevaerts: that is true
22:07:41pixelmaaustriancoder: whoa, did you also fix all the other bugs I know of? :P
22:07:49*gevaerts thinks that 640 bug reports should be enough for everyone. We can recycle them after use
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22:09:51mcuelenaerepetur: shouldn't "Study mode" be translated to dutch as "Studeer modus" instead of "Studeer mode"?
22:10:01pixelmagevaerts: yesterday you worded it better here (something like "leave Rockbox running" or so... the Ondios don't charged but can be powered by USB...
22:10:25gevaertspixelma: ok. I'll try again :)
22:10:38pixelmaunfortunately that's not the only reference to charging in the Ondio manuals still :\
22:10:51gevaertsIt's easy now that all the logic is there
22:11:10peturmcuelenaere: don't know, I'm not that much of a language expert. 'Studeer mode' seemed ok to me
22:11:52BigBambistudy mode is a stupid name anyway
22:11:58peturyup ;)
22:12:10mcuelenaerepetur: I'm not a language expert myself either, but "modus" instead of "mode" just seemed more logical to me..
22:12:34*bluebrother votes for removing "study" mode
22:13:02BigBambiat the very least renaming it to something even remotely related to its function
22:13:06mcuelenaerepetur: bwah never mind, I'll probably never use it anyway so .. :)
22:13:21peturno problem... I'm removing options anyway now ;)
22:13:23bluebrotheryep. The name is irritating
22:14:24gevaertspixelma: "The \dap{} can be powered over USB without establishing a USB storage connection by holding \ActionStdUsbCharge{} while plugging in. This allows you to continue using the \dap{} normally." ?
22:16:56pixelmathe only thing I'm not sure of is the "USB storage connection" - would one say so? (question to a native speaker probably). Otherwise it sounds good to me :)
22:17:35gevaertsI don't know. Maybe "disk mode connection" ?
22:17:40BigBambithe English is fine, but I'm not sure I'm the best judge as I know about the technical aspects
22:18:04BigBambihow about "without connecting to your computer" ?
22:18:20gevaertsThat's technically incorrect
22:18:32BigBambiBut understandable to normal people
22:18:35bluebrothergevaerts: true, but the manual is intended for users.
22:18:44pixelmaUSB data connection? (just suggestion here too)
22:18:56gevaerts"without connecting to your computer as a disk" ?
22:19:11bluebrotherhow about "the dap can be connected to usb for charging only ..."?
22:19:24BigBambiIf we are writing this for standard people, "without connecting to your computer" gets it across better
22:19:37BigBambibluebrother: yes, that would do
22:19:38pixelmabluebrother: the goal was to avoid the "charging" for the Ondio manuals
22:19:53gevaertss/charging/power/
22:19:55bluebrotherpixelma: ah, ok. Missed that part of the discussion
22:20:06austriancoderwhat do you think about this idea? Move all functions of MAS3587F and MAS3539F, e.g. sound_set_loudness - directly into the mas35xx audio driver
22:20:08BigBambime too
22:20:17bluebrotherthen try s/charging/power connection/
22:20:28pixelmaor more opting for that
22:20:32Horschtwithout putting the \dap{} into Mass Storage mode?
22:20:34gevaertsAnd I think we need to keep USB in there. It's not firewire...
22:20:53HorschtUSB mass storage mode
22:21:15BigBambiI think the most simple way is just without connecting to your computer. Most people think of connecting as as a disk
22:21:38BigBambiThey don't know, or need to know, or want to know, about the technical aspects of charging over USB
22:22:37gevaerts"Without appearing to your computer as a disk drive" ?
22:22:40*gevaerts is hesitant
22:22:55BigBambigevaerts: yep
22:23:08*bluebrother still considers this too technical. Average users might wonder "as what else?"
22:23:16Horschtwithout gajingalaminga gobledigoo jinglebells rock
22:23:38BigBambiI appreciate the desire to be correct, but I don't want to confuse people just to be technically correct
22:24:22gevaertsWe still have the "unknown device" issue when connecting without UMS. If we then claim to "not connect", that may confuse people as well
22:24:46bluebrotherwe do still have that issue? Hmm :/
22:24:49gevaertsOn the other hand that is (IMHO) a bug
22:25:09*Horscht thinks "without putting the \dap{} into USB Mass Storage mode" is technicaly correct and no confusing for people capable of instaling rockbox
22:26:04*BigBambi wonders if Horscht has even seen either the forums or the user mailing list
22:26:15*gevaerts starts to think that BigBambi's wording is best
22:26:31Horschtno, i try not to harm my mind, BigBambi :p
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22:26:56BigBambiHorscht: quite :) if you had, I suspect you would have a slightly different opinion ;0
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22:27:22bluebrotherBigBambi: we should make installation of Rockbox much harder :)
22:27:33BigBambibluebrother: I agree there :)
22:27:38Horschtyou know... i was the one with the opinion of flash replacing HD based targets in the long run, BigBambi
22:27:38BigBambiand kill doom
22:27:54*bluebrother remembers he's working on rbutil ... d'oh! :D
22:27:59BigBambiHorscht: I don't get the connection?
22:28:08Horschti keep with my opinions
22:28:32HorschtI also am of the opinion, that I am talking utter bull.... right now
22:29:22gevaertsCan everyone live with "The \dap{} can be powered over USB without connecting to your computer by holding \ActionStdUsbCharge{} while plugging in. This allows you to continue using the \dap{} normally.
22:29:26gevaerts?
22:29:34*BigBambi certainly can
22:29:42*gevaerts would hope so
22:30:12bluebrotherI think it's kinda confusing talking about powering but not connecting.
22:30:23BigBambigah! :)
22:30:39bluebrotherthough I could live with it. There are quite a few issues in the manual that could be worded better ;-)
22:31:21BigBambiI see what you mean, as connecting means both plugging in and establishing a data connection, but when I read that I think of the data connection
22:31:37BigBambiYou have obviously connected/plugged in as otherwise it couldn't charge
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22:32:07*BigBambi tries to think of a better way of putting it
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22:32:37bluebrotherthat's why I somewhat said it could be worded better. But I don't have a better proposal, so ...
22:33:03BigBambiyeah
22:33:50*bluebrother wonders if there have been any issues with the changed caching in rbutil
22:37:02kugel|awayNico_P: Have you read my latest comment on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8335 ? I have no idea why it doesn'T resize
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22:42:52kugel|awayNico_P: Wait, i think I saw it
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22:59:37austriancodergreen again :)
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