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#rockbox log for 2008-05-16

00:02:01 Join cbr|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130)
00:03:59preglowproblems, yes, but nothing in that area has changed
00:07:36*gevaerts dislikes FS #8230. The bug is about the manual, but the discussion is about the feature
00:07:56 Quit ompaul (Client Quit)
00:08:28Lloreangevaerts: Well, if the feature were to be changed it would be directly relevant to updating / including it in the manual
00:08:38amiconnpreglow: I was referring to the wrapped lines bug
00:09:15 Nick bertrik_ is now known as bertrik (n=bertrik@171-012-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl)
00:09:45Lloreangevaerts: If you feel like implementing my suggestion and then documenting it, all this can go away. ;)
00:10:22*gevaerts blames Llorean for all this ;)
00:10:49gevaertsCan manual specialists review my patch in FS #8230 ?
00:10:52*Llorean adds another item in his "list of things that are my fault"
00:11:35peturheh, I recently saw FS #8993 but had forgotten all about it
00:12:03*gevaerts gives Llorean more paper so he can make a really long list
00:12:42Lloreanpetur: That's the first time I've seen someone report an "event not found" panic.
00:13:08peturI saw it about two weeks ago, only seen it once
00:14:58bertrikI think I've seen someone mention it in the forums
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00:15:27preglowamiconn: the bug is there even if loaded directly via tcctool
00:15:53preglowamiconn: only difference is that the upper two lines are no longer wrapped to the bottom, just clipped
00:16:10preglowamiconn: plus, it's pretty unlikely a load error can result in that
00:16:31preglowcan the sansas boot from sd?
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00:17:53*gevaerts never tried
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00:18:29shotofaddsevening boys n girls...
00:18:29bertrikevent 257 is DISK_EVENT_SPINUP, this event is removed in unregister_ata_idle_func, which is only called from scrobbler_shutdown as far as I can see
00:18:38shotofaddsjust a quickie as I saw you were discussing the repeated lines bugg..
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00:19:07preglowshotofadds: oy, what do you know about how the sd card power is hooked up? :>
00:19:59shotofaddsthe bug isn't related to flash access, I suspect it's caused by the LCD reinitialisatio between bootloader and main binaries. I haven't investigated too much tho.
00:20:16shotofaddspreglow: I know about as much as you :p
00:20:29shotofaddshave you checked the PCF outputs listed on the wiki?
00:20:45preglowi'm definintely on the right track with the sd stuff, now my problem is that i can't make the sd card report it's powered up. when i get that going, it should progress faster
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00:21:04preglowshotofadds: yeah, disabling most of those voltages gives a black screen and needs resetting
00:21:17*shotofadds is glad those chinese guys actually got the D2 to boot and display the theme correctly :-)
00:21:18preglowshotofadds: disabling d1reg does little
00:21:35preglowwhat lpreg1 and 2 do i don't know, and i don't really dare enable them yet
00:21:41shotofaddsI noticed the black-screen-y-ness and stopped playing with those regs...
00:22:02preglowshotofadds: any idea how the cpu power is hooked up? the pcf doesn't seem to generate 1.1 volts
00:22:05preglow1.2
00:22:17shotofaddsI have some psuedo-code for the OF PCF init, if that helps
00:23:03preglowwould be cool
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00:25:23shotofaddstry http://www.pastebin.ca/1019554
00:25:53preglowsweet, thanks
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00:27:27shotofaddsI can't guarantee its correctness, though. if you want to check, it's really easy to find in the disassembly.
00:27:58shotofaddsit's the first BL in the routine pointed to by the LDR PC at 0x200000e8
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00:29:31preglowhmmm
00:29:34preglowdcdc isn't touched
00:29:38preglowi should read back what that contains
00:29:50preglowafaik, pcfs come preprogrammed with system voltages, for reset situations
00:30:22shotofaddsyes, I suspect they're preprogrammed.
00:30:45shotofaddsyou can retrieve pre-initialised values by shutting down the OF and booring Rockbox
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00:31:01shotofaddshmmm.. that's not what I meant
00:31:04shotofaddsand makes no sense at all
00:31:06shotofaddsignore me
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00:35:30*shotofadds will be back in a few days. Feel free to fix the D2 LCD bug in the meantime :p
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00:40:17bertrikAnyone know of any particular reason why function name STOP_AUTOSCROLL in credits.c is all upper-case?
00:40:25*preglow suddenly wants to work on unifying the pcf drivers
00:40:52preglowamiconn: is rockbox meant to have a common i2c api across targets?
00:40:55preglowwould it even make sense?
00:41:21preglowi would just have to put pcf5060x_write and _read in target/, i guess
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00:42:15meowsqueakgot a strange problem - just wanted to know if I should submit a bug report:
00:43:22meowsqueaksometimes when I pick up my Iriver H120 and it was turned OFF, I notice the backlight is already on and it displays something like "Unknown Event ID 257" (sorry, can't reproduce right now, don't know exact message). If I hold OFF then it disappears and Rockbox boots. Is this a message from the bootloader perhaps?
00:43:59meowsqueakthe problem is it appears to be running down my batteries - so it must be happening a fair bit when I'm not observing it
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00:44:34meowsqueakit started happening about a week ago, after I upgraded Rockbox recently.
00:44:35bertrikMost likely it already happened on shutdown and you only notice it later
00:45:09meowsqueakbertrik: I've been keeping an eye on that, you might be right. I don't think I've seen it happen after shutdown yet tho. In fact it hasn't happened in a few days.
00:45:24bertrikmeowsqueak: can you try the fix in this bug report http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8993 ?
00:45:30meowsqueakI'll take a look
00:45:54bertrikIf you know how to reproduce it, please add it to the task
00:46:02meowsqueakyeah that's the message
00:46:13meowsqueakI don't know how to reproduce unfortunately, but I'll have a think about it
00:46:33preglowmeowsqueak: weird... doesn't look like rockbox has such a string
00:46:46meowsqueakpreglow: bootloader maybe?
00:46:53preglowjust grepped the entire tree
00:47:01preglowincluding bootloaer
00:47:07meowsqueakah
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00:47:50preglowsure that's exactly what it says?
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00:48:04bertrikpreglow: it's in events.c line 72
00:48:08meowsqueakbertrik: thanks for the tracker link - I'll report back there if I find anything
00:48:09preglowyeah, no "id"
00:48:19meowsqueakpreglow: the message is: *PANIC*
00:48:19meowsqueakevent 257 not foun
00:48:22meowsqueakd
00:48:38preglowwell, the bug seems to be noticed
00:48:39meowsqueakaccording to that tracker, which looks right
00:48:44meowsqueakbut my memory isn't perfect
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00:52:45peturbertrik: that fix looks good code to have anyway, why not commit it. Since it is a bit of a rare bug, we'll see if it stops happening after today ;)
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00:53:54bertrikpetur: OK, but I wonder why scrobbler_shutdown appears to be called multiple times.
00:54:20peturI remember there was something changed in that area recently *goes looking*
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00:56:15bertrikor maybe we should not worry too much about it...
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00:56:51peturbah... red :(
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00:57:09bertrikwith the fix, scrobbler_shutdown becomes completely safe against multiple calls
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01:00:15caveman26I have a sansa c240, rockboxed, can I use a 8GB microSDHC card with it without any issues?
01:00:57preglowshould work
01:01:54caveman26rockbox is awsome
01:02:11caveman26finally... a portable with paremetric EQ
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01:03:12preglowand what an eq it is!
01:03:14preglow:P
01:03:17caveman26what exactly does the "dithering" setting do?
01:03:21pixelmacaveman26: but you can't use your c200 as card reader to put files on there - because it relies on the original firmware for USB still and the OF can't deal with the card
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01:03:37k-manany idea how i can convert m4a files to m4b?
01:03:37pixelmait = Rockbox
01:04:28caveman26I dont have any problem using another reader to get my music on the card, I just want to make sure a 8GB will work be4 I buy one
01:04:44preglowcaveman26: the manual has a nice entry on that, but in short, it converts from a higher bit depth sample to 16 bit samples without introducing digital sounding noise
01:05:16preglowcaveman26: it's not something you'll notice too well unless you have golden ears
01:05:40caveman26I do notice a lil difference
01:05:51caveman26but the bass is better withot it
01:05:53caveman26lol
01:07:20caveman26te HDD failed in my X5 :(
01:07:20preglowi doubt the bass is changed much by dithering, but whatever floats your boat is ok :)
01:07:46caveman26didnt even get a chance to rockbox it
01:08:03preglowtoo bad, the x5 is a better player if you like eqing
01:08:11caveman26yeah
01:08:14caveman26way better
01:08:16preglowmuch more processing power
01:08:25caveman26I love that BBE mach3bass
01:09:10caveman26but now im stuck with the sansa for now
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01:12:43*petur wonders if bertrik is going to commit his fix
01:12:48caveman26got an ipod too... but I REFUSE to use it.... it has audio outputs worse than a $2 transistor radio :/
01:14:03*bertrik did already, it's in 17533
01:15:03caveman26do all ipods have shitty audio or is mine a lemon?
01:15:18preglowdcdc is set to 1.3 volts
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01:15:23preglownow that sounds more like the core voltage
01:16:08peturcaveman26: rockbox sounds like a bag of shit
01:16:31*petur only sees 17532
01:16:44bertrikit didn't trigger a build apparently
01:17:47caveman26rockbox improved the audio on my sansa
01:17:57peturah I see it in svn, so it is the build server
01:18:25caveman26didnt even bother putting it on the ipod.... theres nothing that can save its crappy audio
01:18:43peturcaveman26: I was making a joke (see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoldenQuotes)
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01:21:06caveman26LMAO
01:21:10caveman26those are funny
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01:22:27kugeljust saw: http://www.misticriver.net/2008/04/iriver-ihph120/
01:22:38caveman26I didnt buy the ipod.... it was given to me, tried it out... hated the audio, put it a drawer, hasnt seen the light of day since
01:22:53kugellooks like we have a supported player which is newly available :)
01:23:09preglowkickass
01:23:18preglowh120 is likely to remain my preferred target for a while yet
01:24:51*kugel was never used to irivier players
01:26:00caveman26that ipod has a 80GB hard drive, is it possible to use it as a ext. hard drive to back up stuff? I use linux and I know some ipods have issues with linux
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01:28:00preglowsure
01:28:12preglowfew ipods should have issues with linux
01:28:18stripwaxcaveman26 - not really a rockbox question - but yes, all ipods can act as external hard drives
01:28:20preglowyou can't use itunes, but that just counts as a blessing, if you ask me
01:28:30caveman26lol
01:28:36caveman26I hatew itunes
01:28:45preglowbodes well for your sanity
01:29:25caveman26but I cant see any other purpose for ipod since the audio section is worse than horrible.. LOL
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01:29:52stripwaxit's ok
01:29:53*preglow skips along to bed
01:30:02preglowgnight everyone
01:30:28caveman26I think mine might just be a bad one... but I hevent hered other ipods to compare
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01:31:19caveman26I wonder if I could take the HDD out of the iod and get my X5 going again
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01:34:53caveman26I would love to see how the rockbox upgrade works on the X5
01:35:44*stripwax sleeps
01:36:24*petur too
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01:40:48caveman26where can I get different themes for my c240 rockbox?
01:41:03caveman26not mutch of a selection on the rockbox site
01:41:43caveman26theres TONS of them for the ipod and X5... but only a few for the c240
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01:44:07Lloreancaveman26: This would be because few c200 owners seem to be interested in making themes. You're welcome to contribute though.
01:44:17caveman26ok
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01:55:55pixelmaanother reason could be that there is no official c200 wps gallery... ;)
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02:37:24Ezrahey
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02:37:47Ezrahow do I get the doom plugin so that I can play doom on my mp4 player?
02:38:17scorche|shyour "mp4 player"?
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02:52:56krazykitEzra, assuming you mean a device that doesn't run rockbox, you'd need to port rockbox to your device, since the doom plugin is part of rockbox (see the NewPorts wiki page)
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03:05:37EzraI do have Rockbox running on it..
03:05:51Ezrabut when i try to install doom, it says I need a plugin.
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03:05:56Ezrawhere do i get that plugin?
03:06:04scorche|shthen i suggest you read the PluginDoom wiki page
03:06:12Ezra?
03:06:17Ezracan I have a linky?
03:07:48scorche|shgo to the wiki, type that at the box at the top of the page
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03:09:31Gartralthe build enviroment package doesnt work... in VMWare or Qemu... it keeps spitting 10.0.2.2 sent an invalid ICMP type 3, code 3 error to a broadcast: 10.0.2.255 on eth0
03:11:39scorche|shGartral: something is wrong with your setup then
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03:14:11Gartralive redownloaded the package, tryed it accross 3 systems, on different networks, and it just doesnt work, the previos package never worked either
03:14:49scorche|shwhen does it do this?
03:15:27Gartralright after starting the networking interface, it also causes the X11 server too fail...
03:15:45Gartrali have a CLI thats it
03:16:03scorche|shi dont know what to tell you then...i have had any such issue and have not seen anyone else have this issue
03:16:34scorche|shs/have had/have not had
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03:17:35Gartrallast time i DLed the package i had the MD5 checksum in too verify it too
03:18:46scorche|shperhaps it is an issue with your version of VMware?...like i said...i have not heard of this issue before
03:19:03Gartralright now im using Qemu
03:19:10scorche|shi should be making a new image soon though, so perhaps it can wait till then
03:19:28scorche|shwell, the package was designed with VMware in mind...i am not sure how well it will run on Qemu
03:20:01Gartralwell ive been trying too get into the build enviroment too start codeing for rockbox... i have a few ideas, and ide really like to start working on them
03:20:23scorche|shwhat OS are you running?
03:21:21Gartralmabey you could do a seperate Qemu build as well? i know there both rather popular, and i thing keeping the backend for codeing Open source is as essential as the firmware itsef
03:21:36Gartralwin XP pro, slightly hacked....
03:22:02scorche|shi suppose i could try if it is needed
03:22:12scorche|shand "slightly hacked" is awfuly vague
03:23:42Gartrala new UI shell, better drivers... drm disabled at the Registry level... nothing that should comprimise the RBBE
03:24:14Gartralknow a pastebin for screenshots, google is failing me
03:24:18scorche|shwell, being that you are the only one with this issue...
03:24:40scorche|shyou can still try cygwin int he meantime...or even colinux
03:25:15Gartralerr... ide rather not, this is technically my dads system... used as a studio comp
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03:26:01Gartralknow a paste bin for screenshots, google is failing me
03:26:11scorche|shand why can you do vmware and qemu, but not cygwin or colinux?
03:26:58Gartralbecause both of those run off a flash disk... cygwin edits the registry too add its entry
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03:30:01Gartralhttp://imagebin.ca/view/WjrE40k.html <−− finally
03:31:44Gartralfound a pastebin
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03:38:12soapGartral, is Windows firewall on?
03:39:13Gartralyes, but i *think* i was configured...
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03:39:31scorche|shmight want to turn it off just to be sure..
03:39:45soapKill it from the services control panel.
03:40:02soapYou have too many variables you "believe" are non-issues to make this troubleshooting easy.
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03:43:03Gartralim just adding the programs and port, hopefully that will work
03:43:15scorche|shno...turn it off to be sure
03:44:27Gartrali wont do that... i have no other in system firewall, and only one external firewall....
03:44:59scorche|shdont worry...nothing is going to happen to your computer...
03:45:23soapStop port forwarding at your external firewall and kill the MS one, with no ports forwarded nothing is going to happen.
03:45:59Gartralmy external doesnt even have port forewarding
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03:47:57Gartraltrying with properly configured firewall in qemu
03:49:00soapOT: but if your external isn't forwarding ports than Windows firewall is doing little but burning CPU cycles.
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03:50:06Gartralnot really... its a wireless network, and there are BHs in the building who use my network
03:51:27Gartralwell, it failed again
03:51:35Gartraltrying without a firewall
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03:53:25Gartralahhh crap... it failed yet again
03:54:20soapthat's ok - we have one variable taken care of now.
03:54:36Gartralthe exact same error
03:55:00scorche|shtry on a "regular" windows PC...
03:55:07Gartraldont have one
03:56:04Gartralthe other two systems i tryed this from were liabrary systems
03:56:12scorche|shthen we are at an impass..
03:57:31Gartrali can log in through the terminal...
03:58:26Gartraland yet i can ping websites and get a result....
03:59:11soapit is only when using the GUI you get this error?
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04:00:12Gartralwhen trying too start The XDM...
04:00:18Gartralperiod
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04:00:41Gartralthrough either fluxbox or actuall X11
04:00:54soapok - to build you don't need X
04:01:27Gartralbut that error message interupts anything i do
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04:12:55Gartralany idea?
04:15:07soapno, and the sad thing is I had what appears to be this problem ~18 months ago. Really stumps me as I see myself in the logs asking the same question, but have no idea A:why I was using vmware. B:what solution I found.
04:16:11Gartrali think its just the code base
04:16:29soapwhat code base?
04:16:31Gartralvmware... i no like vmware
04:17:13scorche|shdont blame it on vmware when dozens of other people have used it just fine and from a bit of searching, i can only see 1 other having the same issue
04:17:48soapI strongly suspect it is not. My computer at the time I asked this very same question was incapable of running vmware - this is why I _strongly_ suspect it is a Windows issue.
04:18:55Gartralgreat... another wonderfull kludge form micro$oft
04:19:01soapand thus why I had you kill the worthless Windows firewall, since this issue appears to be network related.
04:20:26Gartralbut killing the windows firewall had no effect for me
04:21:15soapFWIW, you can install a full Gnome desktop Ubuntu setup with a full Rockbox build environment, games, and open office on a $20 4GB memory stick. This is what I do on my work laptop - doesn't impact my existing (locked down) work drive at all.
04:22:02soapYea - I wasn't sure it was a firewall thing - but you're getting a network-related issue - killing software firewalls is a good troubleshooting step.
04:23:25Gartralyea.. i could clear some space my 8gig cruzer...
04:24:02soapthat drive will be slower than a 4GB sandisk cruzer.
04:24:13soapsignificantly, and noticeably slower.
04:24:42Gartralno... i removed the stupid builtin software enviroment
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04:25:11Gartralafter i did that, it became a very fast flash drive
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04:25:27soapno - large flash chips are slower than smaller ones. Nothing to do with U3. Unless it is "speed rated" (claiming 150x or faster) 8GB drives are SLOW.
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04:25:51soapand the Sandisk Cruzer ones are slow.
04:25:59Gartralbeside, i wont complain, i found the thing infront of a bar
04:26:00soapBut this is off topic for #rockbox.
04:27:04Gartraland my final word: i get around 300 MB/s transfer speed with that drive, so, im all good
04:28:03soapNo flash drive is close to that fast, you're seeing cached numbers or something.
04:28:41Gartraloops... one extra 0 in there... sowwie, and thank you
04:34:05DerPapstJdGordon: this was odd.. i just tried the new disktidy plugin on my beast and forgot to enable all files first and ran "Start Cleaning". I expected it would say 0 files removed but it removed 2 files infact....
04:35:15Gartralwould someone give me the link too the twiki page with instructions on how too disable the sansa DB refresh?
04:35:40scorche|shsearch..
04:35:43DerPapstah, wait, do i remember corretly if you never go into "Files to Clean" it removes all files?
04:35:55DerPapstthat would explain it ;-)
04:36:29Gartrali searched... but Twiki said there wasnt anything >.>
04:37:19DerPapstanyway.. good night all ;-)
04:37:34Gartralgoodnight
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05:26:38TwistHello I have a question for you guys.
05:28:56TwistI am trying to install Rockbox onto my ipod 80 gb video and i am using the Rockbox utility. When i do a full install it tells me there arnt any themes and then just stops there. How can i fix this?
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05:30:17scorcheit is temporarily disabled for your device due to bandwidth concerns...feel free to grab them here http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/index.php?res=320x240x16
05:30:32scorchethere is the WPS gallery in the wiki as well
05:30:43TwistIs there anything else it has to install onto my ipod after the themes or not?
05:31:04scorchewell, it doesnt *have* to install the themes
05:31:36TwistWell what im trying to say does it install anything after the utility asks you what themes you want.
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05:43:06caveman26is there a way to set a photo as background in the "now playing" screen?
05:43:22JdGordonconvert it to bmp
05:43:25caveman26cant find a setting for it
05:43:31JdGordonresize it and set it in the wps code
05:43:48caveman26ok
05:44:10caveman26just put some photos on it, it will vew them, but thats all
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05:45:20JdGordonno.. look on the wiki for the WPS syntax... the bmp has to be crrect size, and filename and location
05:45:43caveman26ok
05:47:26caveman26didnt realize just how mutch the screen sux until I looked at some pics on it
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