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#rockbox log for 2008-05-18

00:00:16n1sBigBambi: you can do it somewhere at least but i don't remember...
00:00:21amiconnBigBambi: Using a _PRE macro should fix that problem
00:01:05BigBambiamiconn: So what would that line look like? If I have #define VIEWER_AUTOSCROLL BUTTON_PLAY and I want autoscroll to happen only when play isn't used in a combo?
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00:01:38amiconnFirst, you need to check whether another target already uses VIEWER_AUTOSCROLL_PRE
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00:02:07amiconnIf this is not the case, you need to add the code to handle it
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00:02:23BigBambiaha, the ondio does
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00:02:39BigBambiso just do #define VIEWER_AUTOSCROLL_PRE BUTTON_PLAY
00:02:39amiconnThen you would set #define VIEWER_AUTOSCROLL_PRE BUTTON_PLAY and #define VIEWER_AUTOSCROLL (BUTTON_PLAY|BUTTON_REL)
00:02:49BigBambiamiconn: awesome, thanks
00:02:58BigBambiyes, I see it in the ondio one
00:03:03BigBambithanks very much
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00:11:51n1sright, gcc3.4 ices in a couple of places when building with profiling :)
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00:12:42BigBambiBagder: do you think it is too early to add the S as a target to flyspray?
00:13:09BigBambiIf anyone would like to look at a quick add missing buttons for text viewer on the S: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9004
00:13:10saratogathe addresses generated by the profiler on arm look like garbage anyway
00:14:46saratogainterstingly, it claims two functions use 80% of total ticks, though i dont know which they are
00:17:51n1ssaratoga: which codec?
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00:18:06saratogan1s: still mp3
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00:18:47n1si'm testing vorbis on my h320 now
00:19:13saratogahope it works better on coldfire
00:23:14toffe82I have init complete and file not found after install the nk.bin on the S ?
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00:23:37BigBambitoffe82: Yes, that seems to happen sometimes for an unknown reason
00:23:42n1stoffe82: in the rockbox bootloader?
00:23:55toffe82yes
00:24:04toffe82and the system reboot
00:24:09toffe82last svn
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00:24:43toffe82I try again
00:25:07linuxstbtoffe82: I experienced that once. I did a full recovery and reinstall of the OF, then a reinstall of Rockbox, and it worked...
00:25:36toffe82ok
00:25:41toffe82I try that
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00:27:01XqtftqxHey guys, does video output on the beast work yet?
00:27:09BigBambiXqtftqx: no
00:27:22XqtftqxThats what i though, does any target support video out?
00:27:48BigBambiXqtftqx: Not yet, no
00:27:57XqtftqxAlright, thanks
00:28:05BigBambiXqtftqx: Did you see I put a patch on the tracker for the text viewer
00:28:17n1ssaratoga: seems to work ok on coldfire
00:28:20XqtftqxNo i didnt, ill go look now
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00:28:54Xqtftqxhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2648 is that it?
00:29:15BigBambino... What is the date on that one!
00:29:31Xqtftqxidk, thats the only once for text viewer i see
00:29:40BigBambi....
00:29:43BigBambi9004
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00:29:48linuxstbHas anyone seen our two "new" students recently? Reading the SoC timeline, this is the "community bonding period" before coding starts on 26 May...
00:29:59BigBambiXqtftqx: You really should try reading things
00:30:08BigBambiXqtftqx: The one you linked was from 2005
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00:30:27Xqtftqx...
00:30:35XqtftqxBigBambi: Whats the link?
00:30:43BigBambiI told you - 9004
00:30:52XqtftqxOh sorry
00:31:40XqtftqxThanks BigBambi
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00:32:50XqtftqxHey BigBambi If i compile this can i just override the .rock file in the viewers folder and not reinstall rockbox totaly
00:32:57Buschelgood night
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00:33:10BigBambiXqtftqx: you need to compile everything
00:33:21XqtftqxI understand
00:33:23BigBambiXqtftqx: But yes, you can just copy over the new .rock
00:33:32XqtftqxAlrighty
00:33:58XqtftqxBigBambi to save me the time can you send me the rock? or no...
00:34:19BigBambiyes, hang on
00:34:35XqtftqxThanks, i dont want to download the Wmware thing on this laptop
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00:36:30BigBambiXqtftqx: http://aeparker.com/files/viewer.rock
00:37:17XqtftqxThanks
00:38:50XqtftqxXqtftqx is having trouble downloading
00:38:59Xqtftqxnvm i got it
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00:45:45XqtftqxBigBambi, i cant open any text files, i get "INcompatible Version"
00:45:59BigBambithen you need to update the whole build
00:46:15XqtftqxDang
00:46:48XqtftqxIm just gonna grab the viewer.rock form build
00:47:04XqtftqxI dont need line up and down now, ill do it later
00:49:50Xqtftqxgrrrr, even old one doesnt work
00:50:23BigBambiXqtftqx: If you update to latest SVN the one I sent should work
00:50:54XqtftqxAlright ill try, whats the link again? Sorry i lost it
00:51:03BigBambiXqtftqx: Look in the IRC logs
00:51:18XqtftqxOk....
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00:52:13XqtftqxI have to go guys gettin something to eat
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00:56:50XqtftqxBigBambi i cant find it in the logs,
00:57:01Xqtftqxhttp://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080517 , its not in there
00:57:36BigBambiXqtftqx: That is yeserday only
00:57:48Xqtftqxoh, wheres today's
00:58:08XqtftqxNevermind i found it
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01:05:32n1sabout 50% of the ticks spent in tremor are in mdct... (however the profiler deinlines functions and that makes them drop into dram)
01:08:08kugelIs the tracker down or something?
01:08:24kugelah, ok, working again
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01:19:11toffe82some problem on a s30 and a s60 ???
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01:20:17toffe82the of formware boot ok with the lock on, and when booting rockbox , file not found ??
01:20:32toffe82firmware ^^
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01:47:53toffe82USB problem on the s30, the usb works only to update the firmware after it doesn't work, even in the OF
01:48:16BigBambitoffe82: Could you rephrase, I didn't quite understand
01:48:38toffe82this S30 has a problem with the usb
01:48:48BigBambiThat one specifically?
01:48:55toffe82I can only update the firmware
01:49:09toffe82when I am on the OF , it didn;t connect
01:49:18toffe82the s60 is working now
01:49:33BigBambiRockbox USB shouldn't affect the OF though
01:49:40toffe82yes
01:49:55toffe82but even without rockbox, it doesn't work
01:50:04BigBambiah, gotcha
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01:51:10toffe82but it is strange , what is the difference in the management of the usb when you update adn after ? I have to send it to gevaerts or Bertrik :)
01:51:26BigBambilinux or windows?
01:51:46toffe82windows, linux from the virtual machine is the same
01:53:59toffe82and I don't think I have another board to replace it :( or perhaps I load direct to the hard drive :)
01:54:09toffe82but no usb
01:54:18BigBambi:/
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02:19:46x0rg62hello
02:20:02x0rg62is the archos 104 supported by rockbox ?
02:22:59BigBambinope
02:23:12BigBambiOnly the players listed on the front page of www.rockbox.org
02:23:33x0rg62:( ok
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02:35:37jpt1hey.
02:35:55jpt1does anyone know any good HDD-based rockboxable players that are reasonably easy to obtain?
02:36:06jpt1(preferably non-iPod)
02:38:58BigBambidepends what you want
02:39:09BigBambiCheck www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide
02:39:21BigBambibut all are now discontinued
02:39:35jpt1any progress on newer devices?
02:39:42BigBambiIf you don't want radio/recording, gigabeat F in my view
02:39:48jpt1I have a Sansa e250R, and I absolutely love it, but I'd love to have more space on it.
02:39:54BigBambiIf you do want radio and esp. recording, iriver H100
02:39:54jpt1(for radio shows and audiobooks, mostly.)
02:40:38BigBambiThe gigabeat F often crops up cheap on ebay
02:40:53JdGordonjpt1: get a 6/8gb microsd for it if thats enough
02:40:59jpt1not really...
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02:41:20jpt1well, I'd probably have to end up getting multiple cards, and then I'd have to juggle them and get a case that holds them...
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03:15:12BiiaruIs there a program that can be used to simulate what a .wps would look like without having to put it on the player yet? That'd make creating and testing them a lot easier.
03:16:09JdGordonrasher.dk/rockbox has prebuilt simulators for all targets
03:16:38Biiaruthanks :)
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03:19:47BiiaruI just have to get Darwine working again...
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03:28:54Biiaruugh, it's not working in darwine.
03:29:14Biiaruguess i have to try parallels... *shudder*
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03:33:15krazykitBiiaru, or just build an OSX simulator.
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03:36:19Biiarukrazykit: I have no idea how I would go about doing that anyway.
03:36:27JdGordonapparently the osx sim wont start, but i havnt had time to investigate
03:36:58JdGordonBiiaru: you need xcode and sdl installed
03:37:20BiiaruWell, I have XCode installed. Not so sure about libSDL.
03:37:34BiiaruI might... it's been a long time since I've had to compile anything that used SDL.
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04:15:47kugelok, can some explain that build error?
04:15:49kugel/path/to/rockbox/build/apps/plugins/HTML_Parser.o: In function `html_parse':
04:15:51kugelHTML_Parser.c:(.text+0x48c): undefined reference to `memcpy'
04:17:09kugelsimulator works
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04:23:16linuxstbkugel: Add "MEM_FUNCTION_WRAPPER(rb);" to the top of HTML_Parser.c - after the line static const struct plugin_api* rb;
04:23:17jhMikeSkugel: iiuc gcc uses it internally sometimes
04:23:56kugelI used sizeof(), can that be related?
04:25:25kugelguess not, other plugins use that too
04:25:29linuxstbI think the most common cause is where you have initialised local variables - gcc will use memcpy to copy it onto the stack
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04:27:41jhMikeSnutty idea #9999: The plugin API pointer should be in the plugin header and be initialized by the loader instead of passed as a param then it's initialized before ever running it
04:29:03kugelGuys, that didn't help
04:29:46kugelNow I get additionally this: http://pastebin.ca/1021539
04:30:50jhMikeSstruct plugin_api* rb; MEM_FUNCTIONS_WRAPPERS(rb);
04:31:23kugelI have: static const struct plugin_api* rb;
04:31:25kugelMEM_FUNCTION_WRAPPER(rb);
04:31:30jhMikeSadd the "S" :)
04:31:42kugelahhh
04:32:35kugelmeh, next time I don't copy and paste. My text editor's auto completition would have made me typed the S
04:34:03kugelThanks, that did the job
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05:27:49feyd2blak_2hi guys....I installed the gigabeat release yesterday, seems the centre of the cross/keypad no longer pauses....anyone experienced this?????/
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05:29:08chuklzif you could help me with install walkthrough, i might be able to help
05:29:28chuklzif you can help me with install walkthrough, i might be able to help
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05:30:50feyd2blak_2oh ok....downloaded the rockbox.zip from the current build site "http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml" then replaced my .rockbox folder with the new .rockbox....
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05:47:02feyd2blakHi guys...please help...since updating yesterday my gigabeat now has the centre of the keypad s a menu return instead of pause....is this the correct behaviour????
05:48:51feyd2blakanyone out there.....
05:49:08feyd2blakis it too early in the morning.....
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05:49:29feyd2blakits 2pm in here in Australia
05:52:00JdGordonthis chan is predominatly europe and usa...
05:52:16JdGordonand its not 2pm anywhere in au yet :)
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06:20:09feyd2blakHey JdGordon, are you a gigabeat owner????
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06:21:33scorche|shhave some patience..
06:21:36feyd2blakAnyone a gigabeat owner?????
06:22:06scorche|sh < scorche|sh> have some patience..
06:22:40feyd2blaksorry....used to MSN.... : )
06:23:07JdGordonI'm not
06:25:27feyd2blakcool...thanx....I'm backtracking through the changelogs to see if I can find when the last change to gigabeats controls happened....
06:26:15feyd2blakwasn't Davide Gentile's change....the day before buggers the pause as well
06:30:55scorche|shhow long ago was your last upddate from?
06:32:13feyd2blakprobably mid April....just tried the 30th April build and the pause is the same....
06:33:30feyd2blakI'll try further back....
06:37:55feyd2blakJust tried the 17th April build and the same thing happens....
06:42:21perrikwpfeyd2blak: There was a Gigabeat keymap change back in August 2007 that switched the functionality of the "A" button and the "Select" button as referenced here http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12407.0
06:43:14feyd2blakthanks perrikwp....I'll have a look now...
06:43:56perrikwpfeyd2blak: So the "A" button now pauses and the "Select" button brings you back to the last menu you were previously in
06:47:13feyd2blakcool, thanks again perrikwp....I'll get used to it....
06:47:42perrikwpfeyd2blak: your welcome
06:49:29feyd2blakoh...i just thougt of something....cn the buttons be changed in the theme files, .wps???? or is it hard coded????
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06:51:50perrikwpfeyd2blak: It's hard-coded, in order to change what the buttons do, you would have to edit the source code and compile your own build
06:54:40feyd2blakcool....thanks again perrikwp
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07:33:12BHSPitLappyI wonder why we have a wikipage listing what we all have
07:36:11JdGordonto show off?
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09:37:43JdGordonBUGGER! seems the build is broken again
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09:42:44JdGordonor not :)
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10:13:37n1sJdGordon: I've made a menu with MENUITEM_RETURNVALUE and MAKE_MENU to have some items conditionally display but when I use Icon_NOICON for the icons i still get the audio icon
10:17:20JdGordonthats a bit odd...
10:17:40JdGordonshow me your code?
10:21:51JdGordonn1s:
10:22:47n1shttp://pastebin.ca/1021697
10:24:43JdGordonwierd :p
10:29:39JdGordonn1s: sorry, no idea... the root menu uses that macro and works fine so its not obvious what it could be.. and I have a bloody assingment to do cant spend much time on rb untill wedndesday
10:30:21n1sok, thanks for looking at it anyway :)
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10:32:19JdGordonI wouldnt expect the audio icon...
10:32:58JdGordonIcon_Menu_functioncall would be possible... no idea where the audio one comes from though
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10:58:53mcuelenaerelinuxstb__: the main difference between the 30 and the 60GB ZVM build are the firmware files (ie the header is different) + later there will be an other USB driver (which supports USB host mode)
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11:18:13linuxstbmcuelenaere: Thanks - I found the discussion in the logs...
11:18:36mcuelenaerelinuxstb: the one between me and amiconn?
11:18:48linuxstbYes
11:22:31markunamiconn: sorry, you guys were right and I completely understood this guy: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16878.0
11:22:42markununderstood -> misunderstood
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11:36:27pixelmaJdGordon: re. your forum post, preventing the OF database update does not work on the c200...
11:36:47JdGordonat all?
11:36:59JdGordoni mean.. its meant to?
11:37:18pixelmayes, because the c200 OF updates its database after USB disconnect (without rebooting)
11:37:29pixelmaand not on USB connect
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11:37:56JdGordonah ok
11:39:12pixelmathe Rockbox bootloader does not have a chance to zero the bits (or what it was) to prevent that but the write protect system folder works great - it's not preventing the update but shortening it to a few seconds
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11:53:46pixelmaJdGordon: is your H300 working again now?
11:53:56BigBambipixelma: Have you thought any more about committing the c200 keymap changes, or are you still looking for more input?
11:54:08JdGordonpixelma: i can charge it.. whats up?
11:54:35pixelmamind taking a look at the e.g. the star plugin menu (and FS #8998)?
11:55:05JdGordonyeah, I saw that... ill get to it some time this week... doubtful before wed though
11:55:21pixelmathanks :)
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11:55:47JdGordonalthough, I rekon I know hat the problem is so might be a quick fix
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11:56:40frodonhello, i'm having some rockbox issue (i'm new user) on my sansa c200, any of you can provide some support ?
11:56:42pixelmaBigBambi: I would want more input because there's still some problems/inconsistencies with it (in my own opinion) but it seems there is none...
11:57:21BigBambiYes, I was thinking given the lack of input, and that even with those inconsistencies the new map is a million times better than SVN...
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11:58:01pixelmafrodon: welcome, we can only answer that question if you tell us more about your problem... ;)
11:58:03linuxstbpixelma: Committing it is normally the only way to get people to test things....
11:58:29BigBambipixelma: I guess I'd just like to see it in, and people have had *loads* of time to object
11:58:54pixelmaBigBambi: I would have hoped that more people will look at it, since more developers now have a c200...
11:58:55*linuxstb can't see how anything could be worse than the current mappings...
11:58:59BigBambiSmall improvements can still be made afterwards, but it looks like nothing is going to happen...
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11:59:07frodonthanks pixelma, i successfully installed rockbox through the usility but it seems that database initialization do not end
11:59:22BigBambipixelma: I know, but they haven't
11:59:38frodonit stops after seeing 712 file and stay there
11:59:51pixelmalinuxstb, BigBambi: do you mean all parts or just some?
11:59:56BigBambifrodon: do you have any embedded album art
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12:00:11frodonpossible
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12:00:30frodonyou mean cover pictures in album folders right ?
12:00:37BigBambipixelma: I'd put it all in, but at a minimum WPS/menu/file browser stuff
12:00:54BigBambipixelma: I'm less concerned about recording/fm as I use it less
12:00:57pixelmalinuxstb, BigBambi: but I'd like to finish my sokoban changes first, everything's prepared now...
12:01:23BigBambipixelma: Oh, and virtual keyboard definitely, the current map for that makes me scream
12:01:31BigBambifrodon: I mean album art in the tags
12:01:56frodonthen no
12:01:58BigBambifrodon: Usually when the database gets stuck scanning it is on an unusual tag
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12:02:48BigBambifrodon: You could try a binary search - remove half your music and check, still a problem another half and check, etc, to see if you can find a problem file, then we can investigate that
12:03:12frodonhum, all my tags are rather standard and works on other portable devices i have
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12:03:23frodonthis is strange
12:03:57BigBambifrodon: It could well be a bug in rockbox, but it would help in discovering and then fixing that bug if we knew which file was casuing the problems so we can check it out
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12:04:27frodonhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15678.0 here it says that files transferred in MTP mode can be an issue
12:04:49frodonand it is what i did
12:05:02BigBambiah yes, I'd use MSC all the way
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12:05:42frodonwhere to set it in rockbox ?
12:05:43SaadSaeedim looking for some feedback from rockboxers who have installed this firmware on a 6th gen ipod
12:06:01BigBambifrodon: You use the Sansa firmware USB at the moment, so set it in there
12:06:14BigBambiSaadSaeed: Rockbox doesn't work on 6th gen iPods
12:06:23frodonno i use rockbox now
12:06:34SaadSaeednoooOOoooOOooooOOooo
12:06:39BigBambifrodon: Rockbox does not have a USB mode on the c200
12:06:51BigBambifrodon: You have to use the Sansa firmware to transfer music
12:07:13BigBambiSaadSaeed: The players it works on are listed on the front page of www.rockbox.org
12:07:15SaadSaeedBigBambi: isnt iPod Video 60/80GB 6th gen?
12:07:19BigBambino
12:07:22BigBambi5.5 gen
12:07:31BigBambiThe 6th gen is the Classic
12:07:34frodonso how to proceed, i guess it's trivial but i don't know
12:07:49SaadSaeedBigBambi: any ports in the pipeline?
12:07:53BigBambifrodon: In the Sansa firmware, set MSC mode then transfer your music like that
12:08:06BigBambiSaadSaeed: Nope. Ports are done by interested owners
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12:08:28BigBambiSaadSaeed: And the Classic has both an encrypted firmware, and completely new undocumented hardware
12:08:31frodonBigBambi, you got me wrong, how to boot the sansa firmware now that i have rockbox ?
12:08:51SaadSaeedah shrugs...
12:08:52BigBambifrodon: That is in the manual, but this time you hold left while it is booting
12:09:05frodonok thanks
12:09:20SaadSaeedi am too late to catch on with the ipod (been using my trusty JBR 20 since a long time ago)
12:09:25Buscheldoes anyone know how many cycles a "mul" and "mla" take on an arm7?
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12:12:17domonokyBuschel: google tells me its 1 cycle for Mul and 2 for mla :-)
12:12:50Buscheldomonoky: can we trust google? ;)
12:12:59domonokyhttp://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0337e/BABBCJII.html
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12:13:23SaadSaeedhmmph read the ipod classic article on wikipedia
12:13:27SaadSaeedsays the same thing
12:13:36SaadSaeedthx for the help BigBambi
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12:15:59JdGordonyour unfortunatly not the only one :(
12:16:18*JdGordon is happy to admit he got that one wrong
12:16:18*SaadSaeed still keeps hopes up
12:16:47linuxstbBuschel, domonoky: Are you talking about arm7tdmi (which is armv4) ? IIUC, that table shows armv7 - a high-end ARM architecture.
12:17:27JdGordonpixelma: star was a stupid mistake and fixed.. the others im not so sure about... the best thing to do is almost hide the statusbar like star does...
12:17:43domonokyups, i always get cought by those strange arm version numbering...
12:17:44Buschellinuxstb: yes, i am talking about arm7tdmi and Smul, Smla...
12:17:54n1sBuschel: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0337e/BABBCJII.html
12:18:47JdGordonpixelma: or get the colours from the curent theme
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12:29:59domonokyBuschel: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~panalyzer/pdfs/ARM_doc.pdf < this is better for Arm7tdmi, but no exact cycle counts... it depends on pipelining...
12:30:50domonokyand on the values you multiply, because it has early termination...
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12:37:04JdGordonpixelma: easy fix for the remaiing plugins.... change the 4th parameter of rb->do_menu() to false.... (if you have time and an itching to fix them...)
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12:37:40frodonok i reloaded all my music in MSC usb mode, will see if it was the problem (database currently creating)
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12:55:27*Buschel is confused about all these dependencies for cycle count of mul and mla
12:55:48Buschelseems like mul can be assumed to use 2-3 and mla 3-4 cycles
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13:00:18Buschelbut this contradicts several asm-optimizations that were made in yuv-conversion for example. 3 adds instead of mul (both multipliers zero for bits 31-8).
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13:00:43Buschelthis implies that mul is more expensive than 3 cycles
13:00:47Buschel??
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13:01:50MrPopovhey there
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13:03:10MrPopovi got a question concerning my e250 v2: is there any possibility to enqueue songs to my playlist, while I'm listening to it?
13:03:30BigBambiMrPopov: Rockbox doesn't run on the v2
13:03:45MrPopovoh!
13:03:48MrPopovnot good
13:04:26MrPopovdoes rockbox have that feature?
13:04:30BigBambiyes
13:07:15MrPopovany chance rockbox might be available soon for the v2?
13:07:39BigBambiPorts are done by interested owners
13:07:40MrPopovor what other player would you recommend that supports rockbox?
13:07:53BigBambiA few people have started looking - check out the New Ports forum
13:08:17BigBambiwww.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide
13:08:26Buschelhmm, when taking into account 50% of the multipliers are signed -> mul = ~4 cycles, mla = ~5 cycles. does this match what experienced asm-coder expect?
13:08:36Buschel*coders
13:09:26frodonBigBambi, i have still the same issue reuploading all in MSC mode, except album art what could cause tag recognition problem ?
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13:09:55pixelmaany other opinions about my new sokoban graphics (posted a link yesterday here)?
13:09:58BigBambifrodon: I don't know, you could do a binary search to identify the problem file
13:10:31frodonwhat do you call a binary search ?
13:10:33linuxstbfrodon: Have you checked your disk for errors? e.g. with "chkdsk /f" ?
13:11:03frodondid a dosfsck with no pb
13:11:15amiconnBuschel: mul can be 2..5 cycles depending on the operand where early terminations is implemented, mla and (s|u)mull are 3..6 cycles, and (u
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13:11:25amiconn|s)mlal is 4..7 cycles
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13:11:54amiconnEarly termination is only implemented for one of the operands iiuc, but I don't know for which one
13:11:56BigBambifrodon: I explained abinary search before, check the IRC logs
13:12:20linuxstbfrodon: A binary search is where you split your files into two halves. Test each half on your player, and if one half works, you know the problem file is in the other half. Repeat...
13:12:38amiconnSignedness doesn't matter, as early termination works for both all-zero and all-one bytes
13:12:55frodonyep, i will found the problematic album but not the solution
13:13:24BigBambiYou have found the problematic track?
13:13:27linuxstbfrodon: The best solution is to make an example problem file available to a dev, so we can investigate and fix the bug in Rockbox.
13:13:47gevaertspixelma: I'm not a fanatic sokoban player, but I think the new ones look better
13:14:00BigBambipixelma: I much preferred your new graphics
13:14:16frodonlinuxstb, sure i was currently trying to do this
13:14:21pixelmacool, thanks. Will prepare a commit then
13:14:30frodoncould you point me where to fuill a bug report ? thanks
13:14:47BigBambifrodon: there is a link marked bugs on the left of www.rockbox.org
13:14:56opaaliolahi all! my 1st time here. sorry for commotion guys :) tell me should i really install rockbox in my video iPod? :D hav only read about it but i don't really know anything yet.
13:15:13linuxstbopaaliola: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox
13:15:14BigBambiopaaliola: What answer do you expect in the rockbox IRC channel? :)
13:15:25opaaliolahaha
13:15:29opaaliolawho knows ;D
13:15:51linuxstbopaaliola: Do you like itunes?
13:16:17opaaliolamaybe yeah. i use macintosh and itunes works well in here :)
13:17:39linuxstbThen maybe Rockbox isn't for you - it basically ignores itunes... You also need to convert your ipod to "FAT32" format in order to use Rockbox. But Rockbox is easily uninstalled if you don't like it.
13:17:50BigBambiand it dual boots
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13:20:37opaaliolais it really easy to remove? and if I want my pod back to basic apple-based software, it's not a hard stint?
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13:20:48BigBambiyes, it is easy
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13:21:07opaaliolaok
13:22:09opaaliolarockbox urers usually are windows or linux users I think ;) mut maybe I wouldn't be the only mac-guy here
13:22:25BigBambino, you are not the only mac person
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13:23:59opaaliolaBigBambi you mentioned about the dual-boot. Could I have more info about it somewhere?
13:24:08BigBambiopaaliola: yes, in the manual
13:24:13opaaliolak, thx
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13:30:24frodonok problem is not in tag
13:30:41frodonif if update database by small parts it works like a charm
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13:59:15bertrikhmmm, can't use queue_wait_w_tmo with argument ticks=TIMEOUT_BLOCK ?
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14:05:34amiconnbertrik: Just use queue_wait() then...
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14:08:23XQTFTQXIs it possible to edit the gigabeat s bootloader to check for a file and if its there, boot into the orginal firmware?
14:11:32BigBambiXQTFTQX: dual boot already works by booting with hold on...
14:11:58bertrikamiconn: ok, I'll do that, just seems that there's quite a bit of redundancy in various parts of the code, because there's both functions that block and functions that take a timeout argument
14:12:06XQTFTQXI understand, i want to know if i can use the bootloader to check for a file, insted of using hold
14:12:20BigBambiXQTFTQX: theoretically I guess so
14:12:40XQTFTQXwhould i need to edit the bootloader file or mknkboot?
14:13:47amiconnbertrik: There are often functions which are cut-down versions of more generic ones
14:14:09amiconnActually this makes sense, because a function with fewer arguments needs less code to call it
14:14:32bertrikyeah, but they may need an additional if to decide which function (timeout or block) to call
14:14:51amiconnThe effect is most noticeable when crossing the 4-argument boundary on SH1 and arm
14:14:54bertrikand I guess it increases the binsize
14:16:00amiconnFunctions up to 4 arguments use regparms on those platforms
14:16:15bertrikok, I wasn't aware of that
14:17:40bertrikI think I'll experiment a bit with it and see if it makes a difference
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15:01:52domonokycan someone with a m:robe100 try FS #9008 ?
15:11:28JdGordonmcuelenaere: none of your apps.lds changes should effect the mr500 yeah?
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15:31:16mcuelenaereJdGordon: normally, no
15:31:42JdGordonnot having much luck booting a regular build and trying to work out why
15:31:47JdGordonbootloader build is fine
15:32:40mcuelenaerehmm, maybe it's related to crt0.S?
15:32:50mcuelenaerebut I shouldn't have touched that either on the mrobe
15:33:36mcuelenaerewhat's the latest build which works?
15:33:53JdGordonno, I've changed my mind.. ive got debug lcd_printf's working
15:34:30JdGordonone nice thing about the huge lcd is lots of room for debug lines :)
15:34:33mcuelenaere:P
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15:35:02JdGordoncrashing in audio_init()
15:36:27mcuelenaeredid you apply patches to your build?
15:36:44JdGordonno, svn build
15:38:37mcuelenaerewhere in audio_init() does it crash?
15:40:10JdGordondunno... finding out now...
15:40:23JdGordonI've added about 20 printf() lines :(
15:40:27*JdGordon needs jtag
15:40:33mcuelenaere:)
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15:44:33LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Around?
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15:45:40JdGordonyay infinite loop!
15:45:53linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: Yes
15:46:18LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Got my m240 in the post yesterday.
15:46:27linuxstbWhich version?
15:46:29LambdaCalculus37Original firmware version is 2.2.5A.
15:46:47linuxstbI think that's a v1 then. IIRC the v2's OF is 4.x.x
15:47:45LambdaCalculus37This is definitely a v1.
15:48:32LambdaCalculus37It says "REFURB" on the bottom by the battery compartment.
15:49:22LambdaCalculus37I'll try using tcctool to load something into it later.
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15:49:51mcuelenaereJdGordon: infinite loop where?
15:50:21linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: If you wanted an easy task to help with the port, you could try to get the Sim building, and improve the keymappings...
15:50:33LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Yes, sir! :)
15:50:48JdGordonmcuelenaere: setting the line in volume!
15:50:57JdGordonit was my bad.. I stupped up adding vlume control
15:51:10LambdaCalculus37I'll be back later on... need breakfast.
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15:52:28JdGordondoes gcc not like having two files in different directories with the same filename?
15:53:37XqtftwqxBigBambi why dont you commit the gigabeat s keymaps for the beast?
15:53:46Xqtftwqxfor the text viewer
15:53:55BigBambiXqtftwqx: Because I don't have commit access :)
15:54:17BigBambiXqtftwqx: I'm sure someone will get to it, and if not I'll bug someone
15:54:29Xqtftwqxlol, yeah
15:56:08XqtftwqxIm still puzzled while doom works in the simulator but not the real build
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15:56:13Xqtftwqxwhy*
15:56:34JdGordonmcuelenaere: come baaaack!
15:56:51BigBambiThe sim and the target are *very* different environments
15:57:14BigBambiIt is a SIMulator not an EMulator
15:57:37XqtftwqxOhhhh, i see i was confused, I was thinking a emulator
15:57:45moosBigBambi: where is your patch?
15:57:53BigBambimoos: 9004
15:58:07BigBambimoos: It is just for the text viewer
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15:58:19moosBigBambi: I'll take a look and commit it
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15:58:21BigBambimoos: Adds some missing keympas, and frees up the volume keys
15:58:26BigBambimoos: Thanks very much
15:58:36moosno problem
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16:00:13JdGordonanyone got an email address for mcuelenaere?
16:00:56DerPapstpm him on the forums?
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16:02:47moosBigBambi: seems nice
16:02:54BigBambicool :)
16:03:00mcuelenaereJdGordon: back :)
16:03:08JdGordoni got values for you
16:03:09*mcuelenaere blames my internet connection
16:03:18mcuelenaerehis*
16:03:20*JdGordon nearly went blind reading them off ?:p
16:03:22BigBambimoos: I had amiconn's advice for the PRE stuff so should be OK (and I did test of course) :)
16:03:36XqtftwqxBigBambi will that patch fix the keympas for the dict? does it use the text viewer as base?
16:03:49BigBambiXqtftwqx: no, just the text viewer
16:03:57BigBambiWhat is up with dict (I don't use it)
16:04:03Xqtftwqxhold on
16:04:06mcuelenaereJdGordon: could you pastebin them?
16:04:16JdGordonon the way
16:04:44JdGordonmcuelenaere: http://pastebin.ca/1021881
16:04:52*DerPapst doesn't even know how dict works :-P
16:04:54mcuelenaerelol @ that loop in tsc2100.c :P
16:04:54JdGordonhope thats ok, the names were too annoying to get
16:05:35mcuelenaereno problem, they are in the order as in debug-dm320.c ?
16:05:43kugelDerPapst: same
16:05:46kugel:)
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16:06:06JdGordonmcuelenaere: not sure.. read em straight off the debug screen.. so whatever spits them out there
16:06:07jpt9hey.
16:06:23BigBambiXqtftwqx: dict looks OK to me, there is only one key defined (for quit), and that is back
16:06:36jpt9I'm having a problem installing the latest voice files on my Sansa E250R using rockbox utility on Vista.
16:06:54jpt9It's trying to download "sansae200−−english.voice".
16:07:00jpt9it gets a 404.
16:07:12XqtftwqxMy dicts not working, every word i lookup i get "(slang) a neibor"
16:07:22jpt9I haven't really been paying attention to the messages before, but I imagine it should probably be "sansa-e200-english.voice"?
16:07:39BigBambiXqtftwqx: Is that the exact error?
16:08:16Xqtftwqxits not a error, its what the definition says
16:08:19Xqtftwqxfor every word
16:08:30XqtftwqxIm doing a reboot of rockbox, that may fix it
16:08:32BigBambiThat sounds like a problem with your dictionary file
16:08:43BigBambiWhat dictionary file are you using?
16:08:47Xqtftwqxits wierd, it wasnt happening before
16:09:18XqtftwqxA reboot fixed it
16:10:01XqtftwqxNope theres no keymaps for the dict either
16:10:15mcuelenaerewow, Olympus just leaves almost all clocks on on their m:robe 500..
16:10:26BigBambimoos: thanks
16:10:35BigBambiI'll shut the flyspray
16:10:35moosBigBambi: no problem
16:10:40moosdone too :)
16:10:48BigBambicool :)
16:11:11BigBambiMaybe I'll reopen it then shut it :)
16:11:13mcuelenaereJdGordon: mm I suppose these values are without the DSP patch applied?
16:11:22XqtftwqxBigBambi: Ill add keymaps for the dict
16:11:25JdGordonyeah, svn
16:11:27moosBigBambi: hehe :)
16:11:32BigBambiXqtftwqx: What keymaps?
16:11:41XqtftwqxTheres no keymaps for scrolling in the dict
16:11:50JdGordonmcuelenaere: I'm not sure if karl or cat have done any clock fiddling
16:11:53BigBambiXqtftwqx: there isn't for any target that I can see
16:12:00XqtftwqxRealy?
16:12:07BigBambilook in dict.c
16:12:30XqtftwqxHmm theres not, thats wierd
16:12:34mcuelenaereJdGordon: they must have, otherwise the DSP would be runned without a clock?
16:12:48DerPapstpluginlib_actions? or however thy're called
16:13:01BigBambiXqtftwqx: look at line 270
16:13:38XqtftwqxOh, hmmm
16:13:56BigBambialso 322
16:14:12BigBambiIt isn't just a case of adding keymaps, you will need to extend the plugin
16:14:28XqtftwqxYeah i see that now
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16:29:19jpt9hey.
16:29:21XqtftwqxBigBambi, if i want to rearange a menu where is that stored?
16:29:39BigBambiXqtftwqx: main menu or a plugin?
16:29:52XqtftwqxMain Meny
16:29:55XqtftwqxMenu*
16:29:59jpt9is there any way to get an actual speech synthesizer on rockbox?
16:29:59BigBambiI don't know for the core
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16:30:11XqtftwqxDang
16:30:13BigBambijpt9: It's possible if someone writes/ports one
16:30:25kugelXqtftwqx: Do you mean in the source?
16:30:29BigBambiXqtftwqx: Try greping the source
16:30:31jpt9I think someone was working on eSpeak; that would be quite cool (I love the British voices)
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16:30:41XqtftwqxYes the source
16:30:56BigBambijpt9: There was something on the tracker, but there was a v2 vs v3 GPL issue IIRC
16:30:57kugelXqtftwqx: apps/root_menu.c
16:31:05XqtftwqxThanks Kugel
16:31:05jpt9ah.
16:31:12jpt9that's annoying...
16:31:21jpt9how about Festival Lite or something?
16:31:50BigBambiIf the licence is compatible sure, but someone needs to port it
16:32:45kugelXqtftwqx: You only need line 392+
16:32:51XqtftwqxK thanks
16:33:14kugelXqtftwqx: &menu_ is the settings item, before you ask
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16:36:22XqtftwqxCan i change the name? Like change Database to Music?
16:36:53BigBambiXqtftwqx: You can do that just in a lang file I believe
16:37:06XqtftwqxAlright Thanks
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16:37:56XqtftwqxCan i add a menu item? Like that opens a location in the file browser
16:37:58kugelXqtftwqx: alternatively you can change line 351 to say ID2P(LANG_MUSIC) instead
16:38:27kugelXqtftwqx: Yes you can (you can do nearly anything)
16:38:42XqtftwqxHow whould i do that*
16:39:50kugelXqtftwqx: take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6988
16:40:18XqtftwqxOk thanks
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16:44:52Xqtftwqxcan somebody send me the s simulator? the site doesnt load
16:45:00Xqtftwqxnvm i got it
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16:49:15Xqtftwqxwhould removing <phrase>*</phrase> remove that entry?
16:50:27JdGordonyesm but thats not a good idea
16:51:23XqtftwqxWhy?
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17:25:17pregloware scrollbars supposed to not fill their blank area with a solid colour?
17:25:33KarlTPBHi I'm Karl
17:25:46KarlTPBJust came here for some quick help
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17:26:15BigBambiKarlTPB: you need to ask a quetion forst
17:26:18BigBambi*first
17:26:19DerPapstgood night JdGordon|zzz
17:26:22DerPapst:-)
17:26:32KarlTPBI'm able to compile rockbox just fine, but checkwps is giving me some errors
17:26:53KarlTPBThis is the message that gets displayed:
17:27:01KarlTPBIn file included from apps/recorder/bmp.c:36: firmware/export/debug.h:25: error: parse error before "ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF" firmware/export/debug.h:25: warning: data definition has no type or storage class firmware/export/debug.h:27: error: parse error before "ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF" firmware/export/debug.h:27: warning: data definition has no type or storage class make: *** [checkwps] Error 1
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17:28:07KarlTPBI'm using revision 17564
17:28:18BigBambiKarlTPB: Which target are you interested in?
17:28:50KarlTPBI'm interested in compiling the tool for ipodvideo
17:29:00linuxstbAre you using cygwin?
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17:29:00BigBambiI get errors in D2 and mrobe 500 but the others work
17:29:10KarlTPBbut the error occurs for every target for me
17:29:27KarlTPBYeah, I'm using cygwin
17:29:49linuxstbSomeone else reported that bug, but I don't think it's been fixed yet.
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17:30:16KarlTPBAh, okay
17:30:38KarlTPBI couldn't find it in the bug tracker though
17:30:39pixelmapreglow: what scrollbars are you talking about?
17:30:49linuxstbKarlTPB: It's an issue specific to cygwin.
17:31:01KarlTPBOh I see
17:31:39KarlTPBAre any precompiled binaries available?
17:32:15linuxstbI can probably build one for you...
17:32:35BigBambiKarlTPB: I'll put one up now if you like
17:32:36KarlTPBAlright, thanks. I need one for ipodvideo though.
17:33:37BigBambihttp://aeparker.com/files/checkwps.ipodvideo
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17:34:13linuxstbKarlTPB: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/checkwps-ipodvideo.zip
17:34:21BigBambihehehe :)
17:34:25BigBambia competition :)
17:34:31*linuxstb called his .exe though...
17:34:35KarlTPBHaha, thanks to both of you
17:34:51KarlTPBYeah I noticed
17:34:53BigBambiyeah, mine was a native linux one :)
17:35:02BigBambiKarlTPB: I'd go with linuxstb
17:35:15*linuxstb notices BigBambi built a Linux binary...
17:35:31KarlTPBHaha, yeah
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17:35:33BigBambilinuxstb: yes, it twigged afterwards what cygwin meant
17:35:52linuxstbKarlTPB: That binary doesn't need cygwin - it's a normal win32 (console) .exe
17:36:08linuxstbYou run it from a normal command prompt.
17:36:36KarlTPBThanks for letting me know.
17:37:14KarlTPBI'll leave now, thanks guys
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17:42:29preglowpixelma: the "deleting..." progress bar seems to be a scrollbar in disguise, and backdrops seem to show through the unfilled area, at least on h1x0
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17:44:09kugeljust tried to build checkwps
17:44:11kugelfailed
17:44:22BigBambion what?
17:44:47BigBambithey build fine for me (xcept d2 and mrobe 500) on linux
17:45:08kugelon a svn it works
17:45:16kugelI guess many warnings though
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17:45:42BigBambiexcept for the errors with d2 and mrobe 500 no warnings
17:45:43kugelBigBambi: 32 or 64 bit?
17:45:46BigBambi32
17:46:03kugelI guess it's 64bit issue then (the warnings)
17:46:24*linuxstb thinks these 64-bit users need to start submitting patches... ;)
17:47:40kugelWhat was the command to make gcc print warnings in English?
17:47:57kugelLANG=CC?
17:48:05kugelyea, seems to do the job
17:48:16bertrikkugel: I think so, maybe use export LANG=CC to make the setting stick
17:48:27kugelall those warnings seems to be the same actually: ../../apps/gui/wps_parser.c:1530: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
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17:49:35kugelline 1530 is: char *wps_buffer = (char *)plugin_get_buffer(&buffersize);
17:51:02kugelchar *wps_buffer = (char *)((long)plugin_get_buffer(&buffersize)); kills the warnings
17:51:26kugelat least on my system, I'm not sure if it'd be proper fix
17:52:16kugelint64_t also works
17:53:38linuxstbThat seems odd - plugin_get_buffer returns (void*), so you shouldn't even need the (char*) cast there (IIUC).
17:55:47kugelare you sure?
17:56:07linuxstbNo, that's why I said "IIUC".
17:56:21kugelI get a warning if I remove it: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without a cast
17:58:26kugelBut: (from plugin.h) void* (*plugin_get_buffer)(size_t *buffer_size);
17:58:28toffe82I think I found the problem of usb on my S but I need some information to tes it : where is the usb detect in the code, I need to force usb on with a sequence of button
17:58:51toffe82and off also
17:59:52linuxstbfirmware/target/arm/imx31/gigabeat-s/usb-imx31.c
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18:00:07toffe82ok
18:00:13linuxstbAnd firmware/usb.c
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18:01:49toffe82I think that the fuse for the usb detect is blown so the firmware doesn't see a connection but the upodatye force the usb on so it works
18:02:28DerPapstthe beast seems to be pretty fragile...
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18:03:35bluebrotherBagder: can we get m:robe 100 as target in the tracker?
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18:08:18BigBambiand the gigabeat S
18:08:48BigBambi(renaming existing Gigabeat to Gigabeat F/X)
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19:27:48sarasclei got a sansa fuze will rockbox work
19:28:20n1ssarascle: rockbox does not work on that
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19:31:39sarasclewill it
19:32:03BigBambiIf someone (i.e. interested owners) do the work
19:32:06n1ssarascle: no one is working on a port so unless someone starts, no
19:32:16BigBambiBut it won't work as result of wishful thinking
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19:34:13sarascleany idea how much work is in it
19:34:18BigBambilots
19:34:28BigBambiwww.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort
19:34:40BigBambiand there is a thread in the New Ports forum
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19:39:48sarascleso should i take it back and get a sanza e250
19:40:05DerPapstif it's a v1...
19:40:12BigBambiThat's up to you, but if you do make sure you get a v1 e250 - the v2 don't work
19:40:31BigBambiAnd to get a v1 you are probably looking at ebay, or the odd refurbished one
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19:40:55sarasclewill rockbox to audioable books
19:41:10BigBambiI don't understand that sentence
19:41:41sarascledoes rockbox work with audioable book format
19:42:01BigBambiI believe that is DRM infected, so no
19:42:04n1ssarascle: afaik audible audio books are drm infected so we can't support them
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19:43:55llingvoDoes anyone have advice on where to start writing a customized shuffle for rockbox?
19:44:08BigBambicustomised in what way?
19:44:41llingvoHm. Basically, I want to weight how frequently different directories are played from, and play several tracks consecutively, until a time limit is met, then switch to the next directory (chosen randomly)
19:44:55BigBambiblimey
19:45:07BigBambiI can't help I'm afraid, but have fun :)
19:45:09llingvoI do it on my desktop with a simple python script, but I'm wanting to port it to rockbox
19:45:15llingvoEh, ok; thanks :)
19:45:50llingvoI see two possible approaches - hacking rockbox itself (judging by how often 'shuffle' appears in the code, that'll be a handful and a half), or adding a plugin to generate playlists, as far as I can see
19:51:13soapllingvo, Have you thought about modifying the "random folder advance" plugin for your purposes?
19:52:09llingvosoap: nope, because I didn't know of it; I'll look at it. Thanks!
19:52:10soapThat could easily address the "how frequently different directories are played from" issue - on the "random time in one directory before skipping to another directory" issue I think you would need to think along another line.
19:52:40soapPerhaps a plugin to "prebuild" playlists weighted to your specifications.
19:52:48llingvosoap: hm... the way I'm addressing it with my desktop code is to have it as a soft lower limit - basically, each time a track finishes playing, I check whether I've exceeded the time, and if so, switch directories
19:53:00llingvohmm.. yeah, that's roughly what the direction I was tending towards
19:53:52soapI understand that - but w/o modifying playback code you can't easily do that. The exact same result could be achieved by doing all the random decision making /before/ a playlist is started. You could do that through a plugin.
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19:56:45bluebrotherllingvo: creating a playlist based on a playcount search might also be something like that.
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20:00:06LloreanI would say the best method for tackling it is some sort of playlist generation plugin. It'd probably be the most flexible way (and possibly least difficult to boot)
20:00:24soapmarkun, the reason I asked (in the wrong channel) earlier if the forum poster assertion that volume reduction in the digital domain increases distortion was because "use the EQ preamp as a way to cap volume" is the "standard answer". I was under the belief that digital volume reduction would only decrease signal to noise ratio - not add additional distortion - but didn't want to say such to the poster out of fear I was incorrect.
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20:02:10Lloreansoap: very same reason I didn't post a response.
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20:22:34saratogasoap: using preamp to reduce volume cuts off bits at the bottom of each sample, which realistically are always noise unless you're cutting off a lot of bits
20:23:03saratogait shouldn't have any perceptable impact on quality
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20:23:57Lloreansaratoga: Well the comparison is with actual volume reduction anyway.
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20:38:30llingvooh?
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20:39:24amiconnSee last 3 commits
20:43:44n1sshameless commit count increase :P
20:43:47saratogaLlorean: mind if I delete the tech support stuff from the S thread?
20:44:20BigBambisaratoga: If you do, PM him to explain why, and with the gist of the last messages
20:44:29Lloreansaratoga: Wait and make sure he sees my last mention for him to post elsewhere.
20:44:59LloreanBut yeah, if he manages to realize to post elsewhere, or ignores it, just nuke all of the off-topic stuff in the thread
20:45:03saratogaI thought the "tech support requests will be deleted" post was pretty clear
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20:53:02saratogasort of made some sense of the profile resutls on ARM for mp3
20:53:18saratogasynth_full uses 45% of the total run time of the codec
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20:56:20saratogait also says "III_decode" which is the entrance point of the codec uses 35%, which can't be right
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21:00:05preglowsaratoga: well, synth_full makes sense, that's the smull/smlal hellhole
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21:05:11saratogaunfortunately its all asm already
21:05:39saratogathough its half ldr's, which seems odd not to use ldm
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21:23:28linuxstbpreglow: Any interesting D2 progress?
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21:35:10BigBambiBuschel: you seen http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16911.msg0#new
21:35:40BigBambipotential old version being removed issue?
21:36:04*Llorean was waiting for Buschel to show up to point him at that very thread and ask about it.
21:36:30BigBambihehe :)
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21:45:26Buscheljust saw it and responded −− imho two things are possible: sv4/5/6-files or the change in the seeking.
21:46:01LearFoobar shows stream version...
21:46:22Buschelsv4/5/6 will switch to the next file. if the whole folder is of such files the hdd will always load the next...
21:47:02Buschelthat's why i didn't remove but #undef'ed the code
21:48:03Buschelif so it will be no fun to merge the sv4-6 code into the sv8 stuff...
21:48:08Buschelbut let's see
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21:51:52Buschelsaratoga: your profiling on mp3 has similar results as i had yesterday. in fact the dewindowing (synthfull1, synthfull2 and the EVEN/ODD-macros) is quite optimized.
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21:55:38saratogaBuschel: how much CPU time did synthfull use?
21:56:02saratogathe rockbox profiler says 45%, but i'm not sure i believe it
21:56:22Buschelsaratoga: i remember 13MHz for synthfull + macros and 6MHz for dct32
21:57:01Buschelsaratoga: from 37MHz overall
21:57:36saratogamaybe the number i got for the profiler is for synth_full and evereything it calls (including dct32)
21:58:29Buschelsounds reasonable
21:59:01Buschelyou've got results for imdct + imcdt-window + anti-alias?
21:59:11Buschel(all asm'ed though)
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22:12:55saratogaBuschel: I've got the output of GCC's profiler, but some doubt about how to interpret the addresses for functions it reports (some match objdump,. but not the .map)
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22:13:54Buschelsaratoga: can you match the most consuming parts following synthfull?
22:14:36saratogaBuschel: http://pastebin.com/m7cf1b8db
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22:14:58BuXY95hi people!
22:15:33BuXY95is it possible to fine-tune somehow the quartz oscillator of the iriver ihp120
22:16:19saratogaBuXY95: why would you want to?
22:17:17bertrikBuXY95: I don't know, but I do know that some RTCs indeed support something like that.
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22:17:58BuXY95my problem is that recording audio with iriver and video with a DV camcorder, when i put the 1 hour reels together, there is almost half second difference in length! :(
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22:21:56BuXY95so the iriver is recording slower than my camcorder
22:21:59saratogaBuXY95: its probably going to be a lot easier to just resample the audio
22:22:20BuXY95or insert some duplicate frames in the video...
22:24:15BuXY95*sigh*
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22:33:47Buschelsaratoga: III_decode does the demuxing and requantization?
22:34:02Buschelsaratoga: or is it the imdct-stuff?
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22:34:38quest23im having problems getting pacman to work...any help?
22:35:56quest23anyone there?
22:35:56n1squest23: have you dumped the files correctly from your pacman machine?
22:36:02quest23?
22:36:10n1sthe roms for pacman
22:36:27pixelmawhat player, what problems, what information did you read so far?
22:36:30BigBambiYou can check the MD5 sums of your dumped files against the values on the Pacbox page in the wiki
22:36:35quest23i put them in the .rockbox/pacman folder like it said
22:36:40quest23if thats what you mean
22:36:50quest23i read the manual
22:37:17n1squest23: and you have _all_ the files the manual says you need?
22:37:25quest23yes
22:37:34pixelmawhat player do you have?
22:37:51quest23ipod 5 video
22:38:32quest23i go to the game and it says no roms in .rockbox/pacman
22:39:17quest23i checked and they are there...maybe i got bad files...not sure...but they are the same as the ones in the manual
22:39:43n1squest23: have you compared md5 sums like BigBambi suggested?
22:40:21quest23md5 sum???where do i see that info..i see it in the manual...but the roms i got i dont see that info...
22:40:59n1swell, you need some program that calculates it, I'm sure google can help you find one
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22:42:03quest23pacman.6e file type 6e does that look right
22:42:13quest23or do i need to do something to them first
22:42:47*Buschel really needs to generate some >1 hour mpc-file
22:42:49Lloreanquest23: Why not do what is recommended...
22:43:26Lloreanquest23: Giving us random information that we didn't ask for is just going to make this take longer, and be more frustrating for both sides, because until you check the md5sums we simply won't know if the files are right.
22:43:58quest23k...sorry..didnt see thatline...doing that now...my apologies
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22:45:01kugelhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9010
22:45:09saratogaBuschel: I'm not too familar with the mad code so i'm not sure
22:45:26Buschelhmm, when i do uint16 x = y; whereas y is uint32 and larger than max_uint16 (e.g. 70000). what is the result of x?
22:45:32Lloreankugel: Pasting random tracker tasks into the channel doesn't do much good...
22:45:54BigBambikugel: I don't see the i.e. :)
22:45:59Buschelwill it be saturated to max_uint16 or does it wrap around to e.g. 70000-65535
22:46:10amiconnBuschel: I'd expect it to wrap
22:46:11saratogaBuschel: I think it truncates without saturation
22:46:11kugelit's not random. It's an issue I noticed today and allready talked about that with linuxstb_
22:46:21kugelBigBambi: I do
22:46:29BigBambikugel: check again
22:46:34kugelah ok :)
22:46:35Lloreankugel: It's random if you just sign into the channel and paste it, without perhaps giving some sort of context. A conversation from hours ago hardly qualifies as context.
22:46:40kugelhehe
22:46:58Buschelamiconn/saratoga: hehe, two people, two answers
22:47:01kugelLlorean: I got it
22:47:18amiconnBuschel: It's essentially the same
22:47:24amiconnanswe
22:47:25amiconnr
22:47:31Buscheloops
22:47:39*Buschel again read too fast −− mea culpa
22:47:52kugelLlorean: But maybe I posted that "randomly" in the hope someone would correct my i.e. ;)
22:48:01kugelBigBambi: thanks
22:48:06BigBambihehe :)
22:48:21quest23ok...checked the md5 sum info for pacman.6e and it matches the one in the manual...
22:48:40Lloreanquest23: You need to check all the files, not just one.
22:48:48quest23k
22:49:36saratogafor a configure script, whats the command to tell it where to look for required header files?
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22:51:06linuxstb_saratoga: Try "configure −−help"
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22:52:15saratogalinuxstb: I checked that, and the obvious −−includedur= option doesn't seem to be working
22:52:21n1sdoes checkwps define SIMULATOR ?
22:52:21saratogaso i assume i don't understand something
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22:54:00linuxstbn1s: It doesn't seem to. I can't recall if there was a reason for that...
22:54:26BuXY95well, keep up the good work, make us some cooooool rockbox stuff :)
22:54:27BuXY95bye
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22:58:52n1slinuxstb: well, that warning kugel posted is weird, i get it too if i build checkwps but not if i build a sim and imho it makes no sense
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23:03:24linuxstbn1s: No, I don't understand either. I don't think it can make a difference, but plugin_get_buffer is defined in checkwps.c - it doesn't use the core's version of that function. But the type is the same.
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23:05:33Buschelbuschel thinks mpc's seeking code fails on large files right now as the seeking allocates 4byte per frame. the failing file has >137000 frames. before my cleaning up the allocated buffer size was truncated via uint16 (to about 7000 *4 bytes).
23:05:44Buschelneeds some check... tomorrow
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23:11:00n1sI wonder who decided it was a good idea to translate the gcc output... Any tips on getting that back to English?
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23:12:13Bagderby setting LANG?
23:12:25Bagderor possibly unsetting it
23:12:44bluebrothermake LANG=C
23:12:49quest23ok...got all the right files for pacman now..one was wrong...replaced it...still no work..any ideas???
23:13:12bluebrotherif you don't want to unset your machines localization
23:13:15n1sBagder: bluebrother: thanks
23:13:21kugeln1s: Regarding my tracker post?
23:13:29n1skugel: yes
23:13:48kugelyea, I wondered that too, but then I remered that bluebrother once told me to do LANG=CC :)
23:14:12kugelremembered
23:14:32bluebrothermost distros should have the setting in /etc/sysconfig/i18n or similar (unless that changed ... /me should update his outdated distro ;-)
23:14:36n1skugel: do you only get warnings and a working checkwps? it errors out on a bunch of undeclared stuff and incomplete types
23:15:09n1sbluebrother: any idea where that is set for regular rockbox builds?
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23:15:43bluebrothern1s: LANG is a system setting, so the rockbox build system doesn't touch that.
23:15:47kugeln1s: it's compiling, but not working
23:15:54kugelget "WPS parsing failure"
23:16:12kugelI know it worked with that "fix" I mentioned in the tracker
23:16:20n1sbluebrother: but if i build a sim i get output in english, building checkwps the output is in Swedish...
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23:16:46bluebrotherthat's strange.
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23:18:46quest23nevermind....got pacman working!!!!!!thanks n1s and Llorean for your help
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23:19:47kugeln1s: Have you tried "LANG=CC ./buildall.sh"? That works for me
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23:20:26n1skugel: yes, that works but i wonder why a sim build does not need that
23:20:55kugeln1s: doesn't need what?
23:21:12n1ssetting LANG to get english output
23:21:24kugelI'm not entirely sure, but afaik when I compile sim it's german too
23:22:12bluebrotherkugel: it's LANG=C. Otherwise you'd set some unknown language (and thus default to english too)
23:23:53kugelbluebrother: I was pretty sure you said LANG=CC some time ago when I asked in the first place
23:24:17kugelBut if LANG=C is better, then I'll use that of course :)
23:24:25n1saha! the rockbox Makefile sets LANGUAGE=english and doing a 'LANGUAGE=english ./buildall.sh' does indeed give english output
23:24:32bluebrotherthen I either mistyped or you remembered wrong ;-) C is the default language, CC is usually the C compiler ;-)
23:25:02bluebrotherRockbox makefile does such stuff? Ouch.
23:25:29n1sbluebrother: i think that's a leftover from when you could select the default language when compiling
23:25:37Bagderexactly
23:25:56bluebrotherwe had such a thing? Can't remember ...
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23:26:04Bagderwe did for quite some time
23:26:42bluebrotherseems I never noticed. But I prefer to have my development machine running english anyway.
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23:28:59Bagder"removed the language choice, now always uses english built-in" 2 years, 4 months ago
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23:30:22bluebrotherah −− I think that's around the time I got involved.
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23:32:58Bagderit was introduced 5 years, 7 months ago
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23:34:05n1shmm, checkwps thinks it has tagcache for some reason and that's why it fails to build here...
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23:34:58kugeln1s: it fails to build for you?
23:35:27n1s<n1s> kugel: do you only get warnings and a working checkwps? it errors out on a bunch of undeclared stuff and incomplete types
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23:35:50kugeloh sorry, I only read the first part :(
23:36:04kugelbut it builds for me
23:36:18kugelbut it doesn't work
23:36:41n1sdoes it work with the warning fix you put in the tracker task?
23:36:58kugelyes
23:37:23*kugel probably should've added that
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23:39:35n1smeh, a svn up solved the define problem...
23:39:43kugelwait, I just tried it again, and now it worked
23:42:23kugeln1s: So, it works. Not sure why I got "WPS parsing failure" before. I used the same wps
23:42:35n1sok
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23:43:33n1sthis looks like a gcc bug to me...
23:50:25n1sstoring the result in a intptr_t and then casting that to (char*) does not give a warning...
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23:52:48kugeln1s: and why does not reproduce the error?
23:53:05kugeladd "the sim"
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