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#rockbox log for 2008-05-23

00:00:14pixelmapreglow: now you tell me after I spend a lot of time keeping them all up to date (bitmap strips etc.)
00:00:51pixelma*spent
00:00:53preglowpixelma: time well spent anyway, if you ask me :)
00:00:57bluebrotherwe could simply rename the fonts package to "extras" (or similar) and put all themes into it except for Cabbie. Maybe iCatcher.
00:01:05preglowi don't think they'll be used less if they're not in the main zip
00:01:37preglowit's not like i'm dictating the future anyway, it's just my opinion
00:02:34pixelmabtw. all needed fonts for the shipped themes are included
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00:03:02bluebrotherah, ok. I thought only the font for Cabbie is in.
00:05:04pixelmathe 160x128 display targets include the most themes and e.g. an H120 zip comes with 3 fonts
00:05:05LloreanI wouldn't mind seeing a "themes" extras, where a selection of themes (more than we have now) are kept in SVN, *attempted* to be kept up to date (insofar as we accept bug reports on them if a commit breaks them) and are available as daily-built extras packages somehow, while only the default and maybe some "alternate default" (a theme that has a version for all targets) are included standard.
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00:07:11LloreanOf course, if the theme site runs a regular (daily? weekly?) checkwps, and rbutil scrapes it and has an "update" option to fill in missing or changed themes, an "extras" package is unnecessary.
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00:09:39DidderCan anybody help me with my Gigabeat F40? :3
00:10:24DidderIt refuses to play video, it just gives me a checksum error on a baby-blue background and refuses to start up until I reinstall Rockbox. :/
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00:10:50Didder(With MPeg Viewer; I used WinFF to convert them to Gigabeat F/X format for Rockbox)
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00:11:06DidderUgh, I might just have to go back to my Nintendo DS for videos. >_>
00:11:36*Didder whistles.
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00:13:25XQTFTQXGuys, as i asked before, is it possible for the beast to record line in?
00:14:56 Quit ender` (" In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.")
00:15:19Didderthe beast?
00:17:09domonokybetter then a theme zip would be the new rockbox theme site up and running.. *hint at linuxstb__ * :-)
00:17:33preglowDidder: gigabeast s
00:17:35preglowgigabeat s...
00:17:43preglowi suppose gigabeat f is a gigabeaft
00:17:44DidderF series.
00:17:47preglowgigabeast with a lisp :P
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00:17:49Didderlol...
00:17:53DidderGIGABEAST
00:18:42DidderBut yeah, when I ran an mpeg this morning, it immediately gave me the bad checksum boot error and I had to reinstall rockbox
00:18:44XQTFTQXOk, let me rephrase, on the gigabeat S, is it possible to add line in recording
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00:22:32krazykitXQTFTQX, probably through the dock connector, but the relevant pins would have to be found first.
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00:27:35Didderkrazykit: Okay, but isn't that line OUT?
00:27:42XQTFTQXIm talking about the Gigabeat S! No F or X, theres no dock for the S
00:27:59toffe82but there is the connector
00:28:31XQTFTQXWhat connector...
00:28:48toffe8240 pins dock connector, the same you can find on the F
00:29:11XQTFTQXOk, but im asking is it possible via the headphone slot
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00:29:58krazykitXQTFTQX, i seriously doubt it.
00:30:00toffe82no
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00:30:26XQTFTQXWhy?
00:30:35toffe82no input
00:30:59toffe82for that, just a gpio for the remote
00:31:19XQTFTQXHmmm.... How is it possible with the ipod in ipod linux?
00:31:30toffe82not the same hardware
00:31:45XQTFTQXAlright...
00:33:19toffe82the ipod as a line input on the headphone jack ?
00:33:38scorche|shno...dock connector
00:34:09*domonoky thinks some ipods can record via the headphone socket..
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00:34:49scorche|shyar...not the new 5g and nano though
00:35:20*scorche|sh is just confusing people and goes back to work
00:35:31XQTFTQXWell, im gonna see if i can do any work on the radio
00:35:46XQTFTQXget it to work, or at least, somewhat work
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00:46:05TheGazRIs it best to buy or to make your own Jtag?
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00:49:32bluefaithHello
00:50:00bluefaithIs Rockbox known to work with the 3g Nano family models?
00:50:39pixelmano, as the front page states
00:50:54bluefaithA bit strange...
00:51:09bluefaithThere is this model on the current build download page...
00:51:20krazykitthat's the 3rd gen ipod, not the nano
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00:51:43bluefaithLet me check ...
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00:53:04bluefaithCan you make it clear to me what does "G" stands for in a model name?
00:53:18pixelmageneration
00:54:05bluefaithSo rockbox can't support the 3g models then?
00:54:27scorche|shwe support the 3rd generation ipods...we do not support the 3rd generation ipod nanos
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00:55:04bluefaithI'm a bit confused about all that "naming"...
00:55:27bluefaithHow Can I find precisely out what's my model is?
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00:56:54krazykitbluefaith, http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353
00:57:02bluefaiththank you
00:58:54bluefaithMine is nano 3g
00:59:03bluefaithWhat a pitty :(
00:59:29bluefaithThere is such a nice girl I want to make this gift to :)....
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01:00:06bluefaithand she promised to go for dinner with me if I did ....
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01:00:28bluefaithThen I failed straight on the battlefield...eh
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01:01:24scorche|sh1) that is offtopic 2) that is a very bad deal 3) for the money you paid for that, you could get a much nicer "experience" with a "working woman"
01:02:29bluefaithscorche What's you mean by "working woman" ...?
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01:04:22bluefaithShe's going to end up crying in my arms - Which is not the worst thing...hmmm
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01:25:21saratogathe WIN32 define in the Sim is just left over from the old win32 sim right?
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01:38:24mib_gcxzathey, i have a question about the gigabeat boot process, can you tell me if the following is correct?
01:39:19mib_gcxzaton power on the toshiba bootloader starts, then it executes fwimg01.dat, which loads the kernel (rockbox.gigabeat)?
01:40:56mib_gcxzatis /.rockbox/rockbox.gigabeat the kernel?
01:43:45saratogai think it contains most of rockbox except the codecs and plugins if thats what you mean
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01:51:47mib_gcxzatsaratoga: alright, thats what i figures
01:51:51mib_gcxzatfigured*
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01:58:03webguest39Hi all. two weird things, before typing with the web client I noticed there was a command for a log bot? Two I tried to reply to a message from seritoga on the forums(sorry if I spelled it wrong) and it says I am not aloud to send private messages. Does my account have to be verified or somethig?
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02:01:50XQTFTQXGuys im having trouble adding some patchs, i get "patch installed correctly" or whatever, and i go to run whatever it edited and i get "Unable to load .rockbox/rocks/apps/*"
02:02:39LloreanXQTFTQX: Have you followed all the instructions in SimpleGuideToCompiling?
02:02:50XQTFTQXYep
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02:03:17LloreanWell, there's a significant step between patching the file, and running the file, that you haven't mentioned.
02:03:26LloreanDoes it build without errors and warnings?
02:03:31XQTFTQXno errors
02:03:49LloreanAnd do you do "make zip"?
02:03:55XQTFTQXyes
02:04:02LloreanThen, what is the exact error message you're getting.
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02:04:37XQTFTQXyes
02:04:57XQTFTQXwhoops sorry, hold on a sex
02:05:01XQTFTQXsec*
02:07:47XQTFTQX"In compatible version" on my player and "Unable to load" in the simulator
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02:19:53saratogawebguest39: I think you need to have at least one post in the forums
02:20:09saratogahowever, since I am here, you can just ask me without sending a message
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02:24:26webguest39seritoga: Ah, I already posted though, I am Big D. Wanted to apologize for my post, i was trying to suggest something and didn't consider it speculation Since the gigabeat s requires a format acording to another irc user.
02:27:21saratogawebguest39: you don't need to apoligize, i delete at least 1 or 2 posts a day from the new ports forum
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02:28:19webguest39ah right. I'm off the IRC chanel then, I more prefer th eforum. Bye all
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03:07:15Kornfan71Anyone know if scorche is on?
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03:36:22JdGordoni dont suppose there are any wps ninjas around?
03:40:08sbkif there are any sansa c200 ninjas around, I'd be very grateful :-)
03:40:41sbkit looks like my c200 is unable to turn into a MSC device visible to my linux machine
03:41:00sbki've tried the usual "hold/rec + connect" trick to no avail
03:41:19sbka status line shows up saynig that the device apparently believes it's in MSC mode now
03:41:29sbksays Mini-B->Device Mode
03:41:31saratogaJdGordon: i'm trying to setup an SDL target in tools/configure
03:42:07saratogado you know where the gcc stuff is setup for the sim builds normally?
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03:42:50saratogai'm not sure what to use for the GCCOPTS, etc
03:44:33saratogaoh theres a simcc() function for it
03:44:35saratoganevermind
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03:49:43JdGordonsaratoga: hey, did you see that snippet in irc i linked you to during the week?
03:53:46saratogaJdGordon: yes, I've been working on implementing that idea
03:54:15JdGordoncool :)
03:54:38saratogai've looked at SDL, and for video and events, it seems remarkably simple
03:55:04saratogai think its probably not too difficult to setup a "device" that targets SDL on my PC, which seems like a pretty good first step
03:55:19saratogaalthough i'm currently more or less lost reading the configure script
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04:01:04saratogai was thinking of adding an "application\sdl" folder to the target tree and copying SDL stuff into there
04:01:41saratogaso that eventually there might be other support for native OS apis too (\osx,\wince,whatever)
04:02:25LloreanThat seems pretty logical to me.
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04:08:40saratogahave any of the other SOC students been around?
04:08:54LloreanI haven't seen them.
04:09:10mib_qpxm7eme
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04:09:36*Llorean also hasn't specifically been looking for them.
04:11:03saratogayou're on the emulator project right?
04:11:11TaylorKillianyup
04:11:27TaylorKilliandoin research on it right now
04:11:55saratogawhich emulator are you leaning towards?
04:12:11saratogai favored skyeye, but i think a few other good emulators also existed
04:12:29TaylorKilliani like qemu because it seems to be more active
04:12:44TaylorKillianalthough i might steal some stuff from skyeye
04:13:09saratogai haven't heard of qemu, i'll look at it now
04:13:18saratogadoes it emulate a specific arm SOC?
04:13:41TaylorKillianit's pretty good, it emulates a whole bunch of platforms, x86, x86_64, mips, arm, etc
04:14:01TaylorKilliansaratoga: I'm not sure :/
04:14:21TaylorKillianmy guess is no, it looks pretty generic
04:14:30saratogayeah the page looks that way
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04:15:50TaylorKilliananyways, i'm trying to get rockbox to at least load on it right now, but still trying to figure out rockbox internals
04:16:24TaylorKillianlike what file is the kernel, what the bootloader is, and what formats they are in, etc.
04:16:29saratogai liked skyeye because it emulates specific arm processors and socs
04:16:47saratogaalthough obviously having solid emulation is most important
04:16:57TaylorKillianyeah, i liked that about it also, but it seems pretty outdated
04:17:03saratogahow so?
04:17:18saratogai only looked at it briefly, but it was updated a couple months back and supports a lot of cores
04:17:26TaylorKillianit's been a long while since the last release
04:17:38saratogalast november?
04:18:01saratogasince its based on armulator, I would not expect the core emulator to be updated a whole lot, except to add new devices
04:18:17TaylorKillianyeah
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04:18:45TaylorKilliani also couldn't find a whole lot of documentation on their site, which was a major turn off
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04:19:05TaylorKillianthe documentation has to be at least a couple years old
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04:20:15TaylorKilliananyways, i'm open to any of them
04:20:25TaylorKilliani'm just in my discovery period right now
04:20:41TaylorKilliantrying to figure out which one will be easiest to work with
04:21:42saratogai'd probably start by looking for a good emulator that could do some basic arm cpu like the arm7 or arm9 cores, and then trying to get linux running on it
04:22:16TaylorKillianyeah, i've successfully gotten linux to work on the qemu arm processor
04:22:22saratogaah good
04:22:49TaylorKilliani forget what arm processor it said it was though...
04:22:51saratogais it mostly a debugger or can it give some timing/profiling information?
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04:24:43TaylorKillianqemu?
04:24:57saratogayeah
04:25:13TaylorKillianqemu is a fully functional virtual machine, and it has a gdb interface
04:25:22TaylorKilliani've run windows xp on it for a while
04:25:23saratogamight be fun to try some rockbox codecs on it under linux if it can give some timing information
04:25:42TaylorKillianyeah, i haven't played around with the settings to much
04:26:06TaylorKilliannot to sure what it is capable of, but i do know it works pretty fast and accurate
04:26:20saratogahopefully speed doesn't become too much of an issue
04:26:47TaylorKillianI wouldn't imagine that it would
04:26:49saratogai'd expect a modern processor to be faster running arm code then most of our targets
04:27:07saratogabut accuracy is nice
04:27:08TaylorKillianyup
04:27:18saratogaToni's emulator is fun to play with, but too incomplete to be very useful
04:27:35TaylorKillianalright, it's doing an ARM9 processor right now
04:27:44saratogadoes it say which?
04:28:15TaylorKillianARM926EJ-Sid
04:29:07TaylorKilliangimme a sec, i got the source, I can look it up
04:30:03saratoga"In case of ARM, it can emulate an Integrator or a Versatile platform. The Versatile one is the most interesting as it includes a hard disk SCSI controller, an Ethernet card and a graphical display"
04:30:08saratogasounds promising
04:31:07TaylorKillianyeah, and like i said, we can borrow code from skyeye if needed
04:31:51saratogathe ARM926EJ is an ARMv5 part with an MMU, but i think its otherwise very similar to the ARM9TDMI used in the Gigabeat F and some of the potiential upcoming rockbox targets
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04:35:41saratogaTaylorKillian: for looking at rockbox, a good place to start might be one of the ARM processors in firmware/target/arm
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04:36:34saratogathe sansa in particular, since its got fairly simple hardware, and theres already Toni's emulator which handles its display
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04:38:20TaylorKillianalright, i'll take a look at that, thanks
04:39:13TaylorKillianfrom the code, here is what is implemented (or partially implemented): ARM1026,ARM926,ARM946,TI915T,TI925T,PXA250,PXA255,PXA260,PXA261,PXA262,PXA270,PXA270_A0,PXA270_A1,PXA270_B0,PXA270_B1,PXA270_C0,PXA270_C5,ARM1136,ARM1136_R2,ARM11MPCORE,CORTEXA8,CORTEXM3
04:42:22toffe82linux on arm emulator in Qemu , just for info
04:42:31toffe82http://www.aurel32.net/info/debian_arm_qemu.php
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06:07:51woodensoulIt's pretty nasty since it causes a total lockup. When queueing a track into a playlist, the lockup occurs towards the end of the queued track. I've also seen several lockups recently when simply adding an album to a playlist.
06:08:08woodensoulCan anyone confirm this behavior?
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06:13:35woodensoulThe freeze happens after the inserted or queued tracks should be playing.
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10:29:41B4gderbtw, I'm considering adding this footer on each outgoing mail to the rockbox users list
10:29:44B4gderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/list-footer
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10:30:52LloreanI don't see any real reason not to. It's short enough that it doesn't significantly increase message size.
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10:32:44B4gderok, I've added it there now so let's see how it looks in use
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10:34:24LloreanIt's shorter than some of the signatures some people on there have.
10:34:24B4gderI didn't add it for the dev list as I've seen less need there
10:36:22B4gderthere are 930 subscribers of the users list btw
10:37:08LloreanWow, not a small number.
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11:57:05B4gderthe footer looks fine to me
11:57:35B4gderof course the first mail using it also violates the etiquette the footer links to
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12:00:50LloreanI fear explaining that to him may be a bit difficult. Sometimes it's hard to determine if you should try to explain what "porting" is, or just say "No, Rockbox doesn't run on that player. Sorry."
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12:43:16DjLaurenzhi
12:43:24DjLaurenzis someone italian here?
12:43:49gevaertsyou ?
12:43:51*gevaerts hides
12:44:41DjLaurenzwhat?
12:44:42Nico_PBagder: how many subscribers are there on the dev list?
12:44:58markunDjLaurenz: probably not, but maybe we can help you in English?
12:45:50DjLaurenzyes
12:46:33DjLaurenzi wish to know if i could help for porting of a t-logic mp3 player
12:46:38DjLaurenzbut i'm not a developer
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12:50:41DjLaurenznothing?
12:50:52advcomp2019DjLaurenz, look at the newport wiki
12:51:43DjLaurenzmmm... ok
12:53:08gevaertsDjLaurenz: at bthis time of day most people are not very active
12:53:50DjLaurenzi understand
12:54:21DjLaurenzbut i looked for "a help to help you"
12:54:49gevaertsPeople in Europe are at work, and people in America are not awake yet (or only just)
12:55:06DjLaurenzyes, it's true ;)
12:57:46gevaertsAnyway, as advcomp2019 said, have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort first
12:58:43DjLaurenzok,
12:58:57DjLaurenzbut i can't use assemblers or similar...
12:59:01DjLaurenzi repeat i'm not a developer
12:59:26DjLaurenzbut i wanted to know if there was a way to help for porting this mp3 player
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13:01:38markunDjLaurenz: the first steps (opening up your player, finding datasheets for the chips) can be done without programming
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13:02:02advcomp2019you could open the player and get scans or great photos of the insides
13:02:17Mouser_XAs for Americans, a few of us (the dumb ones) haven't even gone to bed yet.
13:02:23advcomp2019markun, you was faster :)
13:02:27*Mouser_X realizes what time it is...
13:02:28DjLaurenz:D
13:03:10DjLaurenzok, i try to open it
13:05:12pixelmayou could also try to find other people with this player interested in such a port
13:05:35gevaertsMouser_X: east or west ?
13:05:43*gevaerts hopes "west" ...
13:06:03DjLaurenzin italy nobody wants to do anything :D
13:07:13Mouser_XBetween the West and the middle.
13:07:53Mouser_XIt's not (yet...) light out!
13:13:31*gevaerts thanks desowin
13:13:51gevaertsoops... wrong channel :(
13:13:51desowinheh
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13:16:43DjLaurenzhey
13:16:49DjLaurenzi've opened my mp3 player
13:17:01DjLaurenzthere is a "hynix" chip :D
13:17:06DjLaurenznever heard in my life :D
13:17:28gevaertshynix is ram or flash.
13:17:46DjLaurenzah ok
13:18:18DjLaurenzthere is also an "oki" chip
13:18:28markunDjLaurenz: do you have a digital camera so we can take a look?
13:18:36DjLaurenzah yes
13:18:41DjLaurenzwaita moment
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13:47:43DjLaurenzmarkun
13:47:47DjLaurenzare you still there?
13:48:52advcomp2019DjLaurenz, you can just post the link then someone else might look at it too
13:48:59DjLaurenzok
13:52:02markunand I'm still here (from time to time)
13:52:42DjLaurenzhttp://www.sendspace.com/file/8a114x
13:53:00DjLaurenzi hope that quality photo is good enough
13:56:08*linuxstb hosts it here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/100_1737.JPG
13:56:49DjLaurenzwait, now i upload an archive with more photo
13:57:02n1sDjLaurenz: the oki chip is the cpu
13:57:24*pixelma spots a very common tuner chip
13:57:54advcomp2019DjLaurenz, what is that oki chip L69Q???
13:57:54linuxstbWhat device is this?
13:58:02linuxstbl69q6500
13:58:11linuxstbGoogle gives a lot of hits for that number
13:58:20DjLaurenzso, is it possible to create a rockbox firmware for this?L69Q6500
13:58:22linuxstbs/a lot/6/
13:58:23linuxstb;)
13:58:46DjLaurenzhttp://www.sendspace.com/file/h0rbgu
13:59:05advcomp2019it is ARM7 or ARM9 from what oki site says
13:59:23advcomp2019looks more like ARM7
13:59:40DjLaurenzi read only "ARM" with no number
13:59:44n1sthere are datasheets for a ML69Q6203 on their site
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14:00:04*linuxstb just reached that page...
14:00:24DjLaurenzthis mp3 player has also a toshiba hard disk drive
14:00:36DjLaurenz20 gb
14:01:41n1sthat chip is an 120MHz arm 946e (with is v5te) not sure how similar they are though
14:01:55n1ss/with/which/
14:02:43linuxstbDjLaurenz: It's possible to create rockbox firmwares for anything - it's just a matter of how hard it is... But if the CPU is ARM, and you can find a datasheet from OKI, it's _relatively_ easy.. But no port is simple.
14:03:10DjLaurenzi understand
14:03:35gevaertsAre there firmware updates available from the manufacturer ?
14:03:38DjLaurenzi'd have to find datasheet of chip, or have you found it?
14:03:43linuxstbThis appears to be the page for that CPU - http://www2.okisemi.com/site/productscatalog/armsolutions/mcumpu/availabledocs/Intro-5435.html
14:04:05linuxstbAssuming it's the "ML69Q6500"
14:05:17linuxstbIt seems pretty standard - 120MHz ARM9, 128KB of SRAM, 512KB embedded flash ROM, and embedded audio codec.
14:05:34DjLaurenzhttp://www.datasheetarchive.com/ML69Q6500-datasheet.html
14:05:44linuxstbHowever, "User Manual is available by contacting your local Oki Sales Office"
14:06:14linuxstbOKI have a (320KB) datasheet here - http://www2.okisemi.com/site/productscatalog/mcumpu/availabledocs/custom_oki/OrderDocument/ML696500_Series.pdf
14:06:45linuxstb... which requires registration...
14:06:56preglowarm really probably are exceedingly wealthy
14:07:08preglowseems everybody are using their cores for embedded stuff
14:07:29DjLaurenzif you want, i can register on the site and i'll send you datasheet
14:07:51linuxstbThe datasheet probably isn't that interesting - it's the "user manual" you will need.
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14:10:19DjLaurenzhttp://www.okisemi.com/eu/docbox/ml696200ds.pdf
14:10:40DjLaurenzhere there is some specification
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14:12:58linuxstbI've got that datasheet now, and it's not interesting - there's no information about the registers, just sales information and a physical description of the chip.
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14:14:52DjLaurenzi've downloaded a more specific datasheet
14:18:26linuxstbDjLaurenz: The "more specific" datasheet doesn't contained detailed information on the chip. OKI advertise a "user manual" on their site, which you need to contact their Sales office to receive. That's what you will need.
14:19:06DjLaurenz...
14:19:10DjLaurenzi understand...
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14:20:52advcomp2019if i am at the right t-logic site.. looks like they might take other mp3 players and sell them as their own because there is a few that look like meizu mp3 players
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14:23:35markunDjLaurenz: is there a way for you to contact other t-logic owners? (like a forum for example). Doing a port just for 1 person isn't a lot of fun.
14:24:07DjLaurenzyou have reason
14:24:14DjLaurenzsorry, you're right...
14:24:23DjLaurenzi don't know...
14:24:51DjLaurenzsome time ago, searching on google some information on my portable mp3 player
14:25:24DjLaurenzi've seen that there aren't many people that use this mp3 player...
14:25:57DjLaurenzconsidering that firmware of this mp3 player is a s**t
14:26:14DjLaurenzand being a linux user (kubuntu)
14:26:37DjLaurenza friend told me about rockbox project
14:26:53DjLaurenzand i've come here
14:29:37DjLaurenzunderstood?
14:29:54advcomp2019DjLaurenz, do you have a photo of the outside or do you have model of the player.. i am just wondering if there could be another player that can can be the same
14:30:29DjLaurenzmodel player is tl-255
14:30:55DjLaurenzt-logic epos vision tl-255
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14:32:36DjLaurenzyou must know t-logic mp3 players here in italy, are the most used and convenient, but i don't know how many people have this model
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14:45:19DjLaurenzhey, i want to say that if there are problems for porting this, don't worry
14:45:45DjLaurenzi can use it like a normal hard disk drive but not a mp3 player
14:46:08DjLaurenzok?
14:46:26markunI don't understand
14:46:44markunwhy can't you use it as an mp3 player?
14:47:03markunthe firmware doesn't play the files you upload in linux?
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14:47:58DjLaurenzbecause the original firmware is damaged
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14:48:29DjLaurenzthe player's OS doesn't start
14:48:36DjLaurenzi've tried to re-upload
14:48:38markunstrange
14:48:42DjLaurenzbut nothing
14:48:46linuxstbBut you can still attach it to your PC?
14:48:50DjLaurenzyes
14:49:19DjLaurenzkubuntu finds it like an external hard disk drive
14:49:21DjLaurenznothing more
14:49:43DjLaurenzwindows, too
14:50:12DjLaurenzi thought that rockbox could be a solution
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15:01:23markunDjLaurenz: it could be, but might take some months of work
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15:46:24droetkerhi there!
15:46:51droetkeranyone here?
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15:47:11LambdaCalculus37133 users.
15:47:19LambdaCalculus37Do you have a question?
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15:48:45ali_asI think he meant in the philosophical sense.
15:49:30LambdaCalculus37ali_as: I only ask because a lot of people come in here thinking this is a social channel.
15:49:50ali_asAha.
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16:10:27PaulJam_when and why was the behaviour if the "create playlist" option changed that it now inserts the tracks to the playlist instead of replacing the whole playlist?
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16:12:36Davide-NYCmorning
16:12:48Genre9mp3PaulJam_: I guess this is after r17603
16:12:55Davide-NYCLambdaCalculus37: you around?
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16:13:23LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: Morning, dude!
16:13:40Davide-NYCon the sansa c2x0, what are the specs on the recording?
16:13:52Davide-NYCsamplerate, bitdepth, etc
16:13:55LambdaCalculus37Let me dig it out real quick.
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16:14:15pixelmait only records at 22.05kHz
16:14:28Davide-NYCat 16bit?
16:14:32LambdaCalculus37Yes, on all formats.
16:14:34LambdaCalculus37At 16-bit.
16:15:12Davide-NYCOK. I was just forming an opinion an needed all the facts. I think it's pointless to worry about the DC offset on such a crappy ADC/
16:15:37*Davide-NYC reminds that the c2x0 exhibits some wierd DC offset on audio recordings.
16:16:02LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: Well, for more serious recording efforts, I'd certainly not use my c200, but it makes fine for a voice dictator.
16:16:03pixelmayes, e200 and c200 aren't very good recording devices
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16:16:17BuXY95hi guys, my rockbox just crashed
16:16:26LambdaCalculus37Which device?
16:16:27BuXY95iriver h120
16:16:40BuXY95i was force updating the database
16:16:40LambdaCalculus37Get a paper clip and push the reset button on the bottom.
16:16:56BuXY95now it says: *PANIC* Write 38125 before data
16:17:15BuXY95does it help anyone? :)
16:17:18PaulJam_Genre9mp3: i thought r17603 only touches the menu layout. i suspect r17352. will try in the uisim.
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16:18:06LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: By the way, I also noticed the DC offset on a c200 recording.
16:18:34LambdaCalculus37It came from a microphone recording.
16:18:57Davide-NYCare thgere other inputs on a c2x0?
16:18:58*LambdaCalculus37 goes to see if he still has the file on his c200 or if he moved it off already
16:19:04LambdaCalculus37The FM radio.
16:19:12LambdaCalculus37And... yep, that's it. :)
16:19:16Davide-NYCno DC offset from the radio?
16:19:33Genre9mp3PaulJam_: oh yes, you are right
16:20:03LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: Not that I've noticed, but I can take a look at the file later on tonight.
16:20:11BuXY95can anyone explain what my error message is about?
16:20:27pixelmaisn't there a dock also that allows for line-in? I think I saw such a thing advertised somewhere but don't remember if line-in was mentioned
16:21:26Davide-NYCIf the DC offset occurs only during mic recording, could there be hopes of a hardware mod to resolve it?
16:21:40BuXY95can i help bugfixing with this error message??
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16:24:52LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: Perhaps. I can't say 100% for sure.
16:25:10LambdaCalculus37But everything is always worth a try, right? ;)
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16:25:32Davide-NYCIf Rockbox keeps getting ported to crappy target with even crappier recording support (which I fully endorse, the more target supported the better) it might be a reasonable idea to try to implement an (optional) auto-DC-offset filter for recordings on targets that have the problem.
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16:25:56Davide-NYCOver and out! :)
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16:43:18preglowa dc blocker should be quick enough to code
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16:54:19LambdaCalculus37preglow: You're going to go for it?
16:56:48preglowwell, not now, obviously
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16:56:58preglowbut if there happens to be demand for it
16:57:17*linuxstb_ demands a dc blocker
16:57:24*preglow drops everything
16:57:52*linuxstb_ googles to find out what a dc blocker is
16:58:10preglowit just removes 0 hz from a signal
16:58:16preglowin essence a simple highpass filter with a low cutoff
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17:24:25Brot1hello, i have an iAudio X5L. Which bootloader should I download, because there is no explicit boatloader for the L-version. there are only x5_fw.bin and x5v_fw.bin
17:24:43LambdaCalculus37x5_fw.bin is the one you want.
17:24:51Brot1LambdaCalculus37, thank you
17:25:09LambdaCalculus37No problem. :)
17:25:44LambdaCalculus37Be sure to read the manual carefully, and if there's anything that's particularly confusing, you can ask us about it.
17:29:45Brot1ok, thanks a lot..
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17:31:42*n1s wonders why the modplayer calculates the periodtable on init instead of using a precalculated one...
17:32:25n1sand sintable, this has to take a while on some targets...
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17:49:22TheGazRGood afternoon all
17:49:49LambdaCalculus37TheGazR: Good afternoon!
17:49:56LambdaCalculus37Have any luck recovering your player?
17:50:43TheGazRWell, I haven't built my Jtag yet
17:50:47TheGazRI've had exams today
17:50:52TheGazRso not really done anything
17:51:00mcuelenaereTheGazR: you have the components for it?
17:51:12TheGazRNot yet! I know what to buy though :)
17:51:20mcuelenaerenice :)
17:51:28TheGazRThough, I spoke to my friend, and he said you can buy things like that on eBay?
17:51:37mcuelenaereI think so, yes
17:52:29LambdaCalculus37If you find the right seller, then yes you can.
17:52:40TheGazRhmm, yeah! I did have a look, couldn't realy see anything that I needed
17:52:51LambdaCalculus37But the best place is always a dedicated electronics shop.
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17:54:24TheGazRNo reply for Aigo either; bastards!
17:55:46TheGazRI took loads of pictures last night too, and stuck them on the Wiki, don't know if you guys saw :)
17:56:49mcuelenaereI saw it :)
17:56:56mcuelenaereI haven't checked them out, though
17:56:57LambdaCalculus37Me too. :)
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17:57:34mcuelenaeremm those are pretty clear
17:57:50mcuelenaereBTW, I got a reply from a guy who made a bFLT loader for IDA
17:58:00mcuelenaerebFLT is a file format made by Clinux
17:58:19mcuelenaerebut I'll upload the sources whenever he replies whether it's ok to publish them
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18:00:03TheGazRYeah! For some crazy reason I could just not get decent pictures using my digital camera, they were coming out better on my camera phone. But when I cleaned the lens of the camera, they came out perfect D:
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18:08:04TheGazRAre Jtags common in RockBox development?
18:08:51toffe82we use it for the gigabeat F
18:09:09LambdaCalculus37The iriver H100 and H300 have JTAGs as well, don't they?
18:09:20BigBambinot many devs have them
18:09:32TheGazRSo, if I use a jtag and it works, that's basically my failsafe for a bad flash?
18:09:35*LambdaCalculus37 also knows that some Creative devices (that he's seen, anyway) have JTAG
18:09:36toffe82jtag is also on the gigabeat S and V
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18:09:42BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: they have jtag ports
18:09:51BigBambinot inherently a jtag :)
18:10:02LambdaCalculus37Ahh.
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18:10:22BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: You have to connect a jtag to the target in question
18:10:45n1sLambdaCalculus37: also on the coldfire targets it is not jtag but bdm (Background debug mode)
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18:11:37LambdaCalculus37BigBambi, n1s: Thanks for clarifying for me. :)
18:11:55*BigBambi always loved the name BDM Wiggler
18:11:59TheGazRIt's a shame I don't think I'd be experianced enough to create a bootloader
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18:12:20TheGazRMake my own magic button combination for modifying the room
18:12:23*n1s whispers 'learning bu doing'
18:12:29n1ss/bu/by/
18:12:36BigBambin1s: chinese whisper? :)
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18:14:04TheGazRwell, I wouldn't know where to store it either, the flash rom is exactly the same size at the rom file
18:14:20gevaertsThere is probably some padding
18:14:23*n1s decides that the keybox plugin will not be endianness independent, at least not initially. Now to figure out if it will data abort on those targets, that do that
18:16:25BigBambibluebrother: you there?
18:16:39BigBambibluebrother: If you stop playback, then use insert, you get a new playlist
18:16:53BigBambibluebrother: If you pause playback, then insert will stick it in the existing one
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18:19:06bluebrotherBigBambi: yep
18:19:19BigBambibluebrother: that isn't what you seem to have said on the forum
18:19:24bluebrotherreally?
18:19:30*bluebrother goes trying
18:20:20BigBambibluebrother: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16955.msg125785#msg125785
18:20:24markunSome new info on the S5L8450 (used in the iriver T series for example) http://iriver-t10.sourceforge.net/t10-hardware.html
18:22:20bluebrotherBigBambi: ok, edited my post accordingly. But don't you think that this is somewhat counter-intuitive?
18:22:34BigBambibluebrother: yes :)
18:22:45BigBambibluebrother: but it is what happens currently anyway :)
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18:23:06TheGazRCan ROCKbox handle m3us ?
18:23:09BigBambiyes
18:23:11bluebrothertrue. But we should think about making it more consistent. As I consider the current way inconsistent ;-)
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18:23:17BigBambibluebrother: I agree
18:23:28TheGazRWhat about M3Us that are 1Mb large?
18:23:53BigBambibluebrother: there was an argument that went on for a few hours in IRC a while (month maybe) ago about that
18:24:10BigBambiTheGazR: How many items do you have for it to be that big!
18:24:30BigBambiTheGazR: But if you have set the max items in a playlist setting big enough, it should be fine
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18:25:39TheGazR15,876
18:26:18BigBambiso you need to change the max items in playlist to at least 16,000, but yes, it should be fine
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18:27:02TheGazRCool :)
18:27:10TheGazRMind you, I'm thinking way ahead of myself
18:27:31TheGazRHave to debrick this thing first
18:28:23TheGazRThat's going to be a job and a half
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18:31:44TheGazRI do appreciate all the help you guys are giving though - I didn't think I would get anywhere near this amount of help :D
18:32:43n1sman the cymbals are destroying this record :/
18:32:54n1smeh, wrong channel
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18:37:15TheGazRofftopic: Who's idea was it to have doom on RB anyway? That's insane!
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18:39:40n1sTheGazR: the idea is pretty old... http://www.rockbox.org/doom/ :D
18:39:48TheGazRthat's so cool
18:39:59markunwho's going to port Quake1 now that we have the beast? :)
18:39:59n1sbut it was kkurbjun who actually ported it
18:40:26n1smarkun: I've been toying with the idea but will probably not do it :P
18:40:40markunn1s: I believe it's written in C++, right?
18:41:09markunThe gp2x port would probably be a good startingpoint
18:41:13TheGazR"This is an april fools joke" :O
18:41:39n1smarkun: no, it's regular c, some ports use c++ however
18:41:56linuxstbQuake 2 + 3 source is also available...
18:42:16TheGazRWhen are we going to see Doom III ported to Rocbox then? :D
18:42:19n1smarkun: the "Pocket quake" port for pocket pc has at least a partial fixed point conversion too
18:42:45LambdaCalculus37TheGazR: When id releases the engine source code under GPL? :D
18:42:59TheGazRhaha, groovy :P
18:43:06n1slinuxstb: but q3 is useless in singleplayer so we need network support first! :)
18:43:31TheGazRI hope I get some warning, I'll rip out my phenom and HD3850 and whack them into my reddmango ;)
18:48:37linuxstbmarkun: What players use the Sigma EM85xx ? (I noticed you created a wiki page for it...)
18:51:03TheGazRMine does
18:54:07TheGazR@Linuxstb
18:54:41LambdaCalculus37Any others, though?
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18:55:45linuxstbTheGazR: Is there a Rockbox wiki page for your device?
18:55:54TheGazRYeah
18:56:05TheGazRhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AngoraVX435
18:57:56*linuxstb links the two pages
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19:00:27TheGazROh wait - Nevermind
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19:00:38TheGazRThanks :P
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19:25:50_hanneshello, i don't get the rockbox installation to work
19:26:07_hannescould someone help me please?
19:26:11bertrikwhat player do you have, did you use rbutil?
19:26:16_hannes5.5g 80gb
19:26:33LambdaCalculus37Are you certain it's an iPod video?
19:26:58_hannesyep
19:27:08_hannesi didn't use rbutil
19:27:12scorche|shjwhat happens?
19:27:33LambdaCalculus37Make sure by looking for your iPod on this chart: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353
19:27:43_hanneswhen i run the ipodpatcher it doesnt find the ipod
19:27:50_hannesipod is in disk mode
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19:29:21_hannesits an ipod classic 80gb LambdaCalculus37
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19:29:35LambdaCalculus37Then you're out of luck.
19:29:47_hanneswhy? :D
19:29:48LambdaCalculus37Rockbox doesn't run on the Classic.
19:29:54LambdaCalculus37Not no way, not no how.
19:30:23_hanneswill it in future support it?
19:30:32LambdaCalculus37If someone works on it.
19:30:52_hanneswell, thanks t.t
19:30:57mcuelenaereif you look at http://oddco.ca/ZENscan.jpeg you see this like big metal covering, could it be possible that this is just to scare people away from removing it?
19:31:49LambdaCalculus37mcuelenaere: That looks like a copper sheet to me.
19:32:11mcuelenaereit is
19:32:15mcuelenaerecovered in plastic
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19:32:29bertrikthey took the trouble to make a hole in it for the little capacitor ... :)
19:32:40mcuelenaereand for the main cpu
19:33:18bluebrotherlooks a bit like some kind of shielding to me
19:33:27toffe82I think too
19:33:42mcuelenaerethey did the same on the ZVM (60GB)
19:33:45LambdaCalculus37Yes, my Dell DJ had a similar copper sheet on the back of it as well.
19:33:52mcuelenaereand on the ZVM, below it there are JTAG pins
19:33:53LambdaCalculus37Underneath it, I found a JTAG port.
19:33:56mcuelenaere:)
19:34:01LambdaCalculus37s/port/pins
19:34:09LambdaCalculus37:P
19:34:10mcuelenaeres/below/underneath
19:34:11bertrikmaybe it didn't pass EMC tests without the shield, so they added it as a quick fix
19:34:22mcuelenaereyou think so? on like all those targets?
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19:34:31bluebrotherwhy not?
19:34:41mcuelenaereI don't know :)
19:34:43LambdaCalculus37I think I should learn how to build a JTAG port for my Dell DJ. :)
19:34:45mcuelenaereI'm just guessing
19:34:51mcuelenaereand I for my ZVM :)
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19:35:23LambdaCalculus37mcuelenaere: If you come to DCW, we could put our heads together to work on these Creative devices. :)
19:36:01bertrikmcuelenaere: I just noticed you updated the zen page, are you currently working on it?
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20:06:01preglowhmm, aren't the unreal gold mods s3m files?
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20:09:55peturpreglow: everything I have of unreal is s3m
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20:23:19mcuelenaerebertrik: I have a dead Zen in front of me, don't know what's wrong with it
20:23:31mcuelenaereLambdaCalculus37: you mean DevConWest?
20:23:45LambdaCalculus37mcuelenaere: Yep.
20:24:34mcuelenaereahh, I'm probably going to DevConEuro
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20:41:30pixelmapreglow: are you searching for something to test the mod codec?
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20:43:31bertrikpixelma: I think he was looking at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9030
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20:44:53mcuelenaereis it normal that some parts of the tracker give a blank page? (Tasklist, rockbox.org/tracker/, ...)
20:46:48pixelmabertrik: ah thanks. Btw. I reported a crash with one of my mods before the codec was committed (but if I remember correctly the crashes were at different addresses).
20:49:48peturmcuelenaere: something went wrong when PHP was upgraded some time ago
20:49:51n1smcuelenaere: no but it's a known issue
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21:00:28preglowpixelma: no
21:07:04preglowi just suspect the reporter has renamed his files to .mod without them actually being .mod
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21:11:04bluebrothercan any e200 user confirm if doom is working fine?
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21:21:37pixelmaweren't there reports about crashes specifically when using some rotated view in doom (on both portrait screen targets), though I didn't even know you could do that...
21:21:59peturpreglow: did you see 9007 ?
21:22:42bluebrotheris rotated view a feature in svn?
21:23:08*bluebrother wants to close FS #8021
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21:24:18XqtftqxHey guys, ive got my S hooked up to the F's Cradle
21:24:33XqtftqxI dont know if this helps but, only power in works, not line out or usb
21:26:05pixelmabluebrother: according to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8641 it is. Can't comment more...
21:31:49*gevaerts thinks that the default scroll speed is too high on h120
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21:36:59BigBambibluebrother: give me a mo to update and I'll test
21:38:40*BigBambi also has to go and get the wads :)
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21:40:10*fml wants to point the community at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16952.msg125812#msg125812 and bring up the discussion
21:40:44BigBambibluebrother: yes, it is fine
21:41:35BigBambiclose away
21:42:42n1sXqtftqx: we don't enable line out on the dac and i think the same goes for usb through the dock connector.
21:43:00BagderNico_P: the dev list has 444 subscribers atm
21:43:15Nico_Pnot bead either
21:43:23Nico_P*bad
21:43:30Bagdernot at all, that's a large bunch
21:43:50gevaertsThat's five subscribers for every committer
21:44:30*BigBambi is one of those
21:44:50BigBambiNot that I've ever sent anything, I could just as well read the archive on the site
21:44:57*gevaerts suspects that BigBambi is one of the 44 subscribers that aren't linked to a committer in that way :)
21:45:18bluebrotherBigBambi: thanks :)
21:45:52BigBambigevaerts: You mean you are rejecting our special bond? :(
21:46:05gevaertsBigBambi: I could be wrong of course ;)
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21:46:24BigBambigevaerts: tbh, I didn't quite understand what you meant
21:46:59gevaertsThere are 80 committers, so 5 subscribers per committer is 400 subscribers. That leaves 44
21:47:14BigBambiaha
21:47:23BigBambiyes, I'm one of the lost ones
21:49:48BigBambifml: I can see wanting to delete or rename the playing file for example
21:50:34bluebrotherBigBambi: but then you don't need "open with" ;-)
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21:50:48BigBambibluebrother: er, yes, good point
21:50:53fmlbluebrother: exactly my thought. But aou're faster
21:51:03bluebrotherwouldn't it be better to just have an easy way to browse to the file?
21:51:13BigBambifollow playlist :)
21:51:14bluebrotheri.e. like "browse to this file"?
21:51:28bluebrotherBigBambi: doesn't work for the database users ...
21:51:40BigBambibluebrother: ah, I forgot that, I never use the database
21:51:46bluebrotherwell, in terms of "they won't go to the file browser"
21:51:59bluebrotherfollow playlist itself should work just fine ;)
21:52:06*BigBambi needs to prioritise thinking over talking
21:52:16fmlIs there a 'popup' menu in the database (like in the file browser)?
21:52:27BigBambifml: a context menu?
21:52:31bluebrotherthere is a context menu, as in the file browser
21:52:42fmlWIth "Open with..."?
21:53:21bluebrotherno, only "open with"
21:53:23PaulJambut the context menu in the database contains only the playlist entry
21:53:28bluebrothererr, "playlist"
21:54:37fmlbluebrother: why no "Open with"?
21:55:24bluebrotherfml: no idea
21:55:34fmlThey are also individual tracks so "Open with" would make sense IMHO
21:56:20fmlBut the thinking is the same: first you select a file and then do something with it.
21:57:42Xqtftqxn1s: Why isnt it enabled
21:58:11gevaertsXqtftqx: it's a port in progress, it's not done yet...
21:58:20BigBambiXqtftqx: because the port is in the early stages, that isn't very important, and nobody has done it
21:58:24n1sXqtftqx: because it makes no sense without a line out jack :)
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21:58:47n1sbut seriously, what ^ they said i believe
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21:59:01n1sor that no one has a dock for the thing
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21:59:33n1sXqtftqx: get yourself a copy of the datasheet and start hacking!
21:59:43*BigBambi has some connectors for the beast accessories port courtesy of toffe82
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22:00:03*bluebrother curses the number of different bootloader install methods
22:01:03fmln1s: where does the code for the context menu for the database reside?
22:01:05n1sBigBambi: is there anything interesting that can be done through the dock connector?
22:01:19n1sfml: I would look in onply.c
22:01:23Xqtftqxn1s: Sorry, i though who ment "enabled" so it is there but disabled, sorry
22:01:24n1sonplay.c
22:01:28BigBambin1s: for the S I'm not so sure - for the F/X (that it also fits), there is plenty
22:01:47BigBambin1s: I assume so too for the S, but I haven't seen any pinouts
22:01:50XqtftqxIsnt there a possibily of line in recording
22:02:36BigBambin1s: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatCustomdock
22:02:52fmln1s: I'd like to add 'Open with' to the context menu of the database and remove it from the wps context menu
22:02:58n1sXqtftqx: the block diagram shows a line out connected to the dock connector, the only line in is connected to the fm chip though
22:03:23n1sBigBambi: thanks, interesting stuff
22:03:30n1sfml: ok...
22:03:51amiconnfml: 'Open with' is in the wps context menu for a reason...
22:04:24amiconnIt allows to open the currently playing track in a plugin, e.g. the spliteditor
22:04:58Xqtftqxn1s: Is it possible to come in from the fm chip and have rockbox read it?
22:05:07fmlamiconn: yes, but that's almost the only plugin that can be used at that point.
22:05:25n1sXqtftqx: i don't understand the question
22:05:34fmlamiconn: in that case, I'd treat is specially −− e.g. like "Add to fovourites"
22:05:50n1sfml: you can also use it for 'properties'
22:05:55amiconnRight now, yes. But there's nothing that prevents other plugins to be started from there, e.g. a tag editor
22:06:03Xqtftqxn1s: for line in, can rockbox read the fm chip input?
22:06:13fmln1s: isn't there 'Show id3 info' already?
22:06:22gevaertsThe fm chip input is called an "antenna"
22:06:26n1sXqtftqx: not currently but that is how fm radio is supposed to work
22:06:58n1sfm puts out an analog signal into the codec which outputs it to the headphone jack (through hp amp)
22:07:15Xqtftqxhmmm, maybe making the fm radio think its the radio, but its the line in
22:07:16n1sfml: yes, but that doesn't show the same info
22:07:40n1sXqtftqx: that would require hw mods
22:09:07Xqtftqxrealy? the headphones work as a antena, but the recorder takes in the input from the headphone jack(where the fm frequency comes in), which is the line in, and the
22:09:21BigBambiXqtftqx: recording from radio should be possible if that is what you are asking (he says without checking the hardware - I'd be mightily surprised if you couldn't)
22:09:35BigBambiXqtftqx: It doesn't work that way
22:09:37n1sXqtftqx: antenna != line in
22:09:47XqtftqxOh
22:10:01Xqtftqxdont the headphones function as the antenna?
22:10:03preglowpetur: no i didn't
22:10:25fmln1s: but still most plugins are not applicable which renders the option almost useless. And if you want to see the properties (as in plugin) you can use the context mnu of the browser
22:10:25BigBambiXqtftqx: functioning as an antenna is in no way the same as a line in
22:10:29gevaertsNo. The ground of the headphone cable functions as the antenna
22:10:31n1syou could input a signal using an fm (de)modulator (don't remember what you call them but the quality would probably suffer
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22:11:05XqtftqxAntenna brings things in, the same with line in
22:11:24BigBambi....
22:11:25n1sfml: yes but then you need to browse to the file, and with that reasoning we could remove almost all of the menu because the functionality is available elsewhere
22:11:31gevaertsSo does a postman...
22:11:39BigBambiXqtftqx: In no way in the same way
22:12:04XqtftqxAlright,
22:12:34*amiconn recommends Xqtftqx to look up the very basics of electronics, e.g. the difference between HF and NF, what FM means etc
22:12:53XqtftqxSorry, i was confused, im more of a software guy
22:13:23fmln1s: also true. I'm frustrated by the fact that just one or two plugins/viewers can be applied. And also that they are not sorted alphabetically
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22:13:59Xqtftqxi understand now it doesnt use the line out signal as the attena, it uses the ground
22:14:32n1sfml: IMHO a bette rthing would be to implement some kind of filtering of the viewers list as it has become pretty long and as you say most viewers make no sense in most contexts
22:14:34fmln1s: for example, both 'view_shortcuts' and 'append_shortcut' are listed
22:14:37bluebrotherXqtftqx: just imagine ... line in is a signal coming from a wire. FM (i.e. radio) comes from the air ... there _must_ be a major difference, mustn't it?
22:15:05Xqtftqxi understand now, thanks
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22:15:35fmln1s: should we introduce 'supported extensions' for the viewers?
22:16:12fmlThat would be something for jdgordon! :-)
22:16:17n1sfml: maybe that's a good solution
22:16:37Xqtftqxfml: that is a pretty nice idea
22:16:41fmlWe have this now but in the other direction (extension->viewer)
22:16:51n1sI definitely like the jdgordon part of the proposal ;)
22:17:06BigBambin1s: In particular, or just the someone else part :)
22:17:08fmlCould the same file (viewers.config?) be used to deduce that?
22:17:12preglowbah
22:17:27*preglow doesn't like duplicate code
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22:17:59fml* would mean 'every extension'
22:18:17Xqtftqxtheres not that many
22:18:37Xqtftqx(considering i have a lot of spare time)
22:19:59fmln1s: I think the information in viewers.config should be enough to filter the viewers list shown after 'Open with...' What do you think?
22:20:42amiconnn1s, fml: It is intentional that 'Open with...' show all viewer plugins independent of file extension
22:20:45n1sfml: I haven't thought about it that much but it sounds like a good idea to me :)
22:20:53amiconnIt's much more flexible this way
22:21:00Bagderi would hate limiting them to extensions
22:21:09n1samiconn: maybe flexible but still annoying
22:21:15amiconnannoying?
22:21:15Bagderthe open with is exactly for overriding existing extensions
22:21:36fmlamiconn: you mean as it is now?
22:21:43n1swell, ok then, how about filtering when opened from the wps?
22:21:50amiconnfml: yes.
22:21:54amiconnn1s: why??
22:22:01n1sonly and keep it as is in the fiel browser
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22:22:23fmlI mean of course only the WPS context menu
22:22:35n1samiconn: because there is a big list of things that make no sense to open a music file with in that list
22:22:46fmlIn the file browser, all viewers should be displayed. You're right bagder
22:23:23BagderI can see how it could make sense to limit the scope somewhat in the wps, but I can't say that I feel the work and extra code would be worth it
22:24:11preglowthat's because it wouldn't
22:26:18fmln1s: isn't there a similar problem in onplay code like one you've fixed recently? What if you're in the wps context menu and the track changes? I mean onplay.c:1187
22:27:57fmlBagder: the point in the WPS menu is IMHO that you can quickly do something sensible with the playing song. And that's only possible if the list is reasonably short and contains only items that really work with the file
22:28:40Bagderyes, I understand what your point is
22:28:57n1sfml: a problem similar to what?
22:29:01Bagdermy position still stands though
22:30:02fmln1s: IIRC a bug was fixed recenly. You could delete a wrong file or something like that.
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22:30:36n1sfml: ah, no idea
22:30:39fmlIf the track changed while you're in the menu. I should look it up in the recent commits
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22:31:57n1sfml: but since we are only supposed to use the menu for splitedit ( ;-) ) i think people will enter it while listening to a track and not in the transition...
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22:37:34Hilikushey guys, has any of you heard reports or bug fixes of repeated songs in a normal folder play? the WPS shows the song it is actually playing (the one that is repeating by mistake) and if you go to the file selection it shows the song it is actually playing BUT if you go to the playlist it shows its playing the song it SHOULD be playing but not the one it is actually playing
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22:45:47bluebrotherHilikus: I've head of that issue a couple of times but I thought it's fixed. Do you have a recent build?
22:46:17Hilikusno, thats why i was asking, to decide if i should bother to upgrade or not. my build is at least 6 months old
22:46:27Hilikusbut now that u said that i will update
22:46:31bluebrotherthat's ages ...
22:46:32fmln1s: and editing a file is better accomplished on a PC
22:46:50Hilikusthanks a lot bluebrother
22:46:51bluebrotherif you have issues you should always update first. You can always go back (simply backup the .rockbox folder)
22:46:56Hilikusoh ok
22:46:59Hilikusgood to know
22:47:07TheNumberHello !!!
22:47:18bluebrotherthat folder also contains your settings ...
22:47:32bluebrotherso nothing to fear about ;-)
22:47:35BigBambiHilikus: There are multiple builds per day, with issues being fixed all the time - looking for bugs in old code that may have been fixed isn't much fun
22:48:28bluebrotheroh, and we have a new default theme.
22:48:43Hilikusi have it already, unless it was changed
22:48:52Hilikusthe yellow one?
22:48:57BigBambiand black
22:49:03Hilikusyes, its pretty cool
22:49:14bluebrotheryellow? It's black and white here *g*
22:50:09pixelmaor red and black?
22:50:22bluebrotherhehe ... sometimes.
22:50:56*bluebrother considers getting a color target
22:51:05peturcan somebody tell me how you view/edit bdf fonts?
22:51:17bluebrotherpetur: you can use fontforge
22:51:17*gevaerts wants to know where bluebrother found a white screen
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22:52:22pixelmathe mini's backlight is blue?
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22:52:55Hilikusis the album art resizing the pics or it's still todo?
22:53:01BigBambitodo
22:53:02peturbluebrother: thanks, installing it now...
22:53:07Hilikusok
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22:55:30pixelmapetur: I used fontforge too though it sometimes annoyed me be scrapping my "encoding" lines, sometimes even only half of them, sometimes everything worked correctly...
22:55:38pixelmas/be/by
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22:56:10peturI just want to check something regarding 9022
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22:58:09pixelmaI'd guess that's more related to viewportification of the quickscreen (?)
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22:59:17pixelmaI thought somehow that those arrows are icons and not related to a font
22:59:47peturhmm you're right.... silly me
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23:00:01shift_hello.. UISimulator... is a simulator, not an emulator right (i.e. it would not run the apple firmware through rolo, would it?)
23:00:26BigBambishift_: correct
23:00:32BigBambiIt is a SIM not EM
23:00:59shift_=( ok
23:01:02peturpixelma: I saw them change when I changed font so my first thought was that they came from the font. Should have checked the code first...
23:01:42bluebrothershift_: there is an arm emulator in svn though it's more dedicated to the sansa (and not complete at all)
23:02:10pixelmapetur: maybe that's an issue that's most visible with some font sizes?
23:02:10BigBambiand there is a GSOC project for an arm emulator
23:02:30peturpixelma: indeed
23:02:48peturonly visible with some (1?) font
23:03:47pixelmathe font on the picture looks more like nedore-9 (or -8) to me but it's quite blurry
23:04:40peturnope, nedore 8 & 9 are ok
23:04:54shift_thanks
23:05:01peturbut I can reproduce with starmap
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23:07:21pixelmabut starmap looks way differently, maybe it's even related to font and screen size? Unfortunately I can't check - the Ondio doesn't have the quickscreen
23:07:24*bluebrother does some preparation work
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23:08:55peturpixelma: I think I already found the bug. if no scrolling it doesn't reserve space for the icons. It only does when calculating for the scrolling case.
23:09:03*petur goes fixing
23:09:47pixelmanice :)
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23:12:14*petur discovers the fix is way simpler than he thought
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23:38:02Davide-NYCPlease stop scolding me like a child. Re-read my comments and realize I agree with all responses written *except* that I do not need to police my language. This is not Disney and the word "crappy" is not that strong.
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23:39:04*Bagder blinks
23:39:22BigBambiThere was nothing wrong with the language (IMO), just the sentiment
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23:46:30LuisHello
23:46:35BigBambiYo
23:46:55LuisHello?
23:47:12bertrikHi Luis
23:47:32LuisHi
23:47:39LuisI just installed rockbox
23:47:46Luisand everything went great
23:47:54Luishowever, I found a small problem
23:48:13LuisI installed rockbox in my Ipod video
23:48:37Luisand I use an JBL speaker with a dock for the Ipod
23:48:57Luisit has a remote that allows you to change the tracks and play/pause as well
23:49:12Luisthose work fine with the apple firmeware
23:49:37Luisis there a way to patch rockbox to make this work?
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23:49:41BigBambiLuis: Please try not to use the enter key as punctuation :)
23:49:50Luissorry
23:50:08BigBambiLuis: There is a work in progress patch for support of accessories, but it is not complete
23:50:12mcuelenaereJZ4730: http://www.ingenic.cn/eng/productServ/App/JZ4730/pfCustomPage.aspx & http://www.ingenic.cn/eng/productServ/clqDownload/lipContents.aspx doesn't this seem a nice target to develop on? :) only disadvantage is the slow chinese FTP
23:50:19SgtPnkksquestion... just rockboxed my e280 and i want to transfer some ogg and musepack files... it won't let me
23:50:20bertrikoh I know nothing about that, but maybe someone else here does
23:50:38LloreanSgtPnkks: Then you're not in MSC mode.
23:50:39BigBambiSgtPnkks: It is in MSC mode? If so, just copy and paste...
23:50:41bertrikSgtPnkks: use the USB mode from the original firmware to transfer files
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23:51:07SgtPnkksso i put them somewhere other than the music folder?
23:51:33LuisI see. Is the patch usable although unstable?
23:51:59*petur wonders what's up with the ZVM delta... got some buffer on a 2K boundary or what?
23:52:11bertrikSgtPnkks: AFAIK, it doesn't really matter for rockbox where you put your music files
23:52:19BigBambiLuis: No, it is incomplete from what I understand
23:52:22BigBambiLuis: V
23:52:25BigBambidammit
23:52:26SgtPnkksah there it goes
23:52:29BigBambiLuis: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8624
23:52:55BigBambiSgtPnkks: be aware that everytime you boot the OF, it will hide the music folder
23:53:03LuisThank you.
23:53:08SgtPnkksi'm so glad woot sent me a v1 and not a v2
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23:53:11BigBambiSo either use a different folder, or set Rockbox to show all files
23:53:14BigBambiSgtPnkks: amen
23:53:16SgtPnkksall my music is encoded in musepack
23:54:00mcuelenaerepetur: I don't know what's going on, especially since the ZVM60GB is unaltered; probably just a bad compile..
23:54:06mcuelenaere(for the logs)
23:54:49BigBambiLuis: there is also http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=IpodAccessories
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