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#rockbox log for 2008-05-25

00:00:12BigBambigevaerts: I was under the impression rbutil always installs a 32 MB build
00:00:20BigBambias it can't tell the difference
00:00:27BigBambibluebrother: is that true?
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00:01:16lobfSO
00:01:17bluebrotherBigBambi: yes.
00:01:17lobfer
00:01:19lobf*caps
00:01:31lobfso...any idea what i should do?
00:01:46BigBambinope, I don't use the database
00:01:46bluebrotherwell, you can tell rbutil to install a 64MiB build on about any target ... but autodetection will detect only 32.
00:02:08saratogadoes the file browser work?
00:02:22BigBambilobf: did you use autodetection, or did you pick the target?
00:02:56lobfi picked drive H, 5th gen 80GB
00:02:59lobfmanually
00:03:24bluebrotherwe really need to force autodetection ...
00:03:36BigBambicould you try installing this build instead: http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip
00:03:42BigBambi@ lobf
00:04:04BigBambigevaerts: you could be right - I assumed because of rbutil it couldn't be
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00:05:30lobfthanks a bunch, bambi. i'll give it a shot and let you know
00:05:55bluebrotherhmm. Should rbutil simply fail due to a wrong md5sum if hex file and selected player don't match or should it have additional checks?
00:06:07BigBambifor h100/h300?
00:06:13*bluebrother feels that code consists only of checks
00:06:16bluebrotheryes
00:06:49bluebrotheryou can tell rbutil you have a h100 but feed it a h300 bootloader. It will work fine until checking of the created file
00:07:13BigBambimight as well check at the earliest stage possible
00:08:24lobfhey bambi, forgive my ignorance, but what do i do with that directory when i get it?
00:08:29lobfjust move it to my ipod?
00:08:33BigBambilobf: extract it to your player
00:08:37BigBambiit is a zip file
00:08:38lobfcool
00:09:00lobfindeed
00:09:47saratogadoes teh stuff in the root of /firmare get built for the SIM?
00:09:52bluebrotherlobf: you need to extract the zip file to your player keeping all paths inside. The topmost folder ".rockbox" needs to be in the root of your player (but you already have one there)
00:10:48lobfi got it, thanks
00:10:49BigBambiOr you could use rbutil to install a new build (on the second tab) but select video 30 GB instead
00:10:54*preglow starts pushing leads into his d2
00:11:01lobfwhy select 30GB?
00:11:24BigBambithe only difference is memory amount
00:11:41BigBambithe 30 GB has 32 mb, the 60/80 GB has 64 GB
00:12:02BigBambiif you use a 32MB build on a 64GB, no problem, but the other way round won't work
00:12:12BigBambiIt will give problems similar to what you are seeing
00:12:24gevaertsThere seem to be some 60/80GB's around that only have 32MB, which would explain this
00:12:36BigBambiSome 60/80 GB videos are actually 30 GB videos with a bigger disk
00:13:05*gevaerts hopes that we didn't confuse lobf too much yet
00:13:10BigBambihehe
00:13:26BigBambilobf: the link I gave you is for a 32 MB (30 GB video) build
00:13:27lobfnope. it's fine
00:13:32lobfthanks
00:15:46lobfso when i extract it to my ipod i just reset my ipod?
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00:16:52bluebrotherjust reboot it. No need to reset
00:17:05lobfok
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00:22:03n1swe really should make rockbox auto detect the ramsize...
00:22:42bluebrotherreminds me that we don't know how to distinguish x5 and x5v for bootloader installation :(
00:22:50BigBambin1s: it does - it returns data abort for 32 MB ones :)
00:23:08lobfBTW- this program kicks ass otherwise
00:23:12lobfyou guys rock
00:23:32n1sbluebrother: i think i told you about this before but: they use different filenames for the bootloaders so we can copy both over and the correct one will be flashed
00:23:46lobf(it's doing the database now... i'll let you know if it works)
00:23:56n1sBigBambi: well, I would have gone for a friendlier approach :)
00:25:16bluebrothern1s: has someone confirmed that only the correct one will get used?
00:25:41bluebrothermake bootloader installation needing _another_ special case. And I'm trying to consolidate ATM :(
00:26:03n1sbluebrother: afaik, yes, but why would they have different filenames (and different headers if they didn't?)
00:26:38n1sshould be an easy test for someone with an x5
00:30:41saratogadoes anyone have any input on how simulator code should be merged into the target tree?
00:31:05saratogaright now a good deal of it is just #ifdefed into other files for the sim, and pointed at the target tree otherwise
00:31:37saratogashould there be a target tree entry for generic versions of functions used by the sims?
00:31:52bluebrothersaratoga: how about a target "sdl"?
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00:32:03saratogai suppose on devices its simple enough, since most (all?) SDL targets are just going to be arm, so they can use the target tree
00:32:22saratogabut if I want to compile an "application rockbox" for an x86 system, its not so clear how this should work
00:32:34bluebrotherand then put files into firmware/target/x86/sdl
00:33:00bluebrotheror x86app/sdl
00:33:08saratogabluebrother: should the sim use that code too or do we want to leave that alone?
00:33:48bluebrotherwell, I'd consider the sim as a target for itself. Question is how good this fits into target tree
00:34:17saratogai think it was currently favored that we leave the sim seperate from any SDL targets
00:34:47saratogamostly i'm wondering abotu duplicating code
00:36:21bluebrotherhmm. Can't emember the discussion, but I guess there were good reasons for that.
00:36:30n1smaybe it's a good idea to pop a mail on the dev list for this one?
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00:37:18bluebrothermight be worth it. Or add it as topic for devcon?
00:37:51saratogamaybe it makes sense to just make the SDL targets declare SIMULATOR so they get all teh cross platform functions, and then have the SOURCES files also include the SDL target tree stuff if its an application build
00:38:23n1ssounds like a hack to me...
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00:39:09saratogayes, but grepping "ifndef SIMULATOR" makes me kind of hesistant to do it otherwise
00:39:48preglowthere, one sd card less
00:40:20saratogain reality SIMULATOR seems to be used to declare any platform agnostic code, which is basically what the SDL targets are
00:40:40saratogathough i guess eventually we want a way to also specify that its "SDL ARM" or whatever
00:41:44n1sthis should be given some proper thought to avoid getting into a deeper ifdef hell than necessary
00:42:50saratogaat the moment i'm not really programming
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00:43:10saratogajust trying to work out all the changes that will be neccessary and ressolve some of the minor stuff like makefiles and the configure script
00:43:51saratogamp3_playback.c is all HWCODEC stuff right?
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00:44:00lobfokay folks
00:44:10 Part Luis
00:44:22lobfso i loaded that different version and i get the same error
00:44:29lobf:'(
00:44:46saratogadid you ever try it without the database?
00:46:28lobfno... how?
00:46:37gevaertslobf: did you extract the rockbox.zip correctly ? Some unzip programs like to add an extra directory
00:46:52saratogaFiles menu then select a song and see if it plays
00:46:54lobflemme check
00:47:33bluebrotherwhy unzip? You can simply tell rbutil to use the 5G 30MiB build
00:47:43bluebrotherand that will do everything needed ...
00:48:18saratogais pcm.c used on software decode targets?
00:48:21lobfokay, i'll try the auto installer and select 30GB to make sure my bases are covered
00:48:35gevaertsThat's probably the safest way
00:48:50*bluebrother wouldn't call rbutil "auto" ...
00:48:50lobfoh, and my musc is all in that hidden default ipod file
00:48:53lobf*folder
00:48:58bluebrotheruse the "Installation" tab
00:48:59lobfso i can't manually select my songs
00:49:06BigBambiyes you can
00:49:09lobfthat's what i mean
00:49:12lobfreally?
00:49:14bluebrotherlobf: you can. Just set "show filetypes" to "all"
00:49:17BigBambiit changes the names and puts them in random folders
00:49:26BigBambijust select a random one
00:49:28lobfblue- on my ipod?
00:49:32lobfi know i can do it on my PC
00:49:34 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (i=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon)
00:49:39BigBambilobf: yes
00:49:44bluebrothersure −− on the PC wouldn't make sense, would it?
00:49:54lobfi don't know :P
00:50:17saratogai don't really care how you play a song, just do it
00:50:31saratogawe want to see if it works, thats all
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00:51:51lobfokay, that works
00:51:58*bluebrother pulls the usual pointer: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
00:53:00lobfi can only see the stupid itunes file names, though
00:53:12BigBambiit doesn't matter what song you play
00:53:19BigBambijust play a random one to see if it works
00:53:46lobfi did
00:53:49lobfit works, i said
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00:54:02lobfi'm listening to music
00:54:18saratogagood, shame you didn't try that when I asked 20 minutes ago
00:54:28lobfsorry dude, i didn't notice
00:55:00lobfand firefox crashed, so i lost the IRC window for a minute
00:55:04lobf(chatzilla)
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00:55:13BigBambithe channel is logged
00:55:55lobfwhere?
00:55:59lobfwell, either way
00:56:06lobfwhat next?
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00:56:24BigBambithe IRC link from the left of every page of www.rockbox.org might be a good place to start...
00:57:03gevaertsDoes the ability to play one song on a 64MB prove without doubt that this is a 64MB board ?
00:57:20*bluebrother curses rbsettings once more
00:57:25BigBambiI think he is using a 32 MB build now
00:57:42*gevaerts doesn't know anything any more
00:57:50lobfi am now
00:57:59*BigBambi neither, and on that note goes to bed
00:58:26lobf...
00:58:40BigBambilobf: what?
00:58:49lobfso you don't know what's going on?
00:58:54gevaertsAre you using the rbutil-installed 32MB build ?
00:58:56BigBambiIt is 1am and I am tired
00:59:01lobfgotcha
00:59:03lobfnight
00:59:24lobfgev- i started with the 64 but just tried the 32
00:59:51lobfgave me the same problem
00:59:53JdGordonDavide-NYC: hey, can you explain what you mean that the stop icon doesnt update in my trigger patch? I really want to commit it today
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01:00:19bluebrotheryeah. h... bootloader installation works :)
01:00:49Davide-NYCOh, just that in the trigger screen, when the threshold is met and a file is actually recording, the stop square should dissapear.
01:01:18bluebrotherenough work done for today. 'nite!
01:02:11gevaertsOK, so it's not the 64MB build causing the problem. That means it is in a place that I know nothing about...
01:05:23saratogaso anyone here familar with what pcm.c does?
01:05:24Davide-NYCJdGordon: basically the stop icon should disappear when recording is engaged. should show stop if the trigtype os set to stop (and the recording is stopped) and should show pause (double bars) if the trigtype is set to pause and the recording is in fact paused.
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01:12:43JdGordonDavide-NYC: ok, thanks, ill try to fix that today...
01:13:01*JdGordon doesntt think he will have much rockbox time today though
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01:13:49*Davide-NYC tips his hat to JdGordon for all of the rockbox work done over the months and years.
01:14:50JdGordon... plenty of others desever a hat tipping before me :p
01:15:06Davide-NYCI know, but your here now and I had the urge. (itch?)
01:15:57JdGordon:)\
01:16:22mcuelenaeresaratago: you said something about the MIPS processor in Jz47xx, do you mean MIPS processors eat a lot of battery? (compared to ARM)
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01:25:07mcuelenaerelast message @saratoga instead saratago
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01:29:34lobfso can anyone help me with my undfined instruction problem?
01:29:38lobf*undefined
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01:30:40lobffor a refresher, when i database my 5th gen, 80GB ipod, it gets to what must be the end, then it freezes with "undefined instruction at FFFFFFFF (0)"
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01:31:26lobfi tried the first time with the 64mb version, then i switched to the 30GB version and it did the same thing
01:32:43lobfany ideas?
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02:39:09lobfanyone here?
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02:59:55advcomp2019lobf, yea 135 people
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03:17:16lobfadv- very funny :P
03:17:23lobfi'm having a technical problem
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03:27:44advcomp2019lobf, since i do not have an ipod, i am not sure myself but are you using the latest build?
03:28:57lobf1.0.5
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03:36:47advcomp2019that sounds like the rockbox utility version
03:37:59lobfwhat's that mean?
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03:42:16advcomp2019the rockbox utility is the program that use to install rockbox with
03:43:02SgtPnkks1thing refused to work for me
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03:45:15SgtPnkks1had to go for a manual install because it wouldn't recognize my player
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04:08:37JdGordonAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!
04:09:46saratogahey now
04:09:58saratogapeople are trying to sleep in this channel
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04:17:22JdGordon:)
04:17:40JdGordonstupid bugs which I cant see how I introduced, or what the issue is or how to fix it! :(
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04:48:14jpt9Does Rockbox have any sort of way to compress/even out volume levels? I have a radio show whose levels vary greatly, and it would be nice not to have to adjust the volume every few minutes.
04:48:46saratogai think you'd have to divide it up into segments and replaygain each
04:48:55jpt9oh.
04:49:00jpt9that would be quite annoying to do.
04:49:19saratogawell check the manual, but i don't recall seeing any sort of dynamic volume feature
04:49:37saratogaits not usually necessary, since radio is so heavily compressed during trasmission
04:50:26jpt9well, it's mostly when they get phone calls −− the callers are usually *much* louder than the hosts.
04:57:12zerockbox doesn't support ladspa plugins yet? :p
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04:58:21saratogano
04:58:25zeno GSoC project for a lightweight integer-based lv2 host? heh
04:58:35zeoh well :/
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05:08:46JdGordonsaratoga: get anywhere with sdl?
05:09:53saratogai've made some progress
05:10:09saratogai mostly understand how the configure script works and i've started putting things into the target tree
05:10:21saratogamake gets through the first 20 or so files before finally erroring out
05:10:35saratogamostly i'm just figuring out how the sim works though
05:10:48JdGordoncool
05:13:30saratogaJdGordon: ever seen something like this: pastebin.com/m5c6031d9
05:14:35JdGordonits trying to compile some asm
05:14:42JdGordonwhich is bad mmkay for sdl :p
05:14:50saratogayeah i know but i don't know where its coming from
05:15:02JdGordonwhats with those /tmp/ files?!
05:16:11JdGordonyour in a #if defined(CPU_ARM) block...
05:16:15saratogaeven weirder, that warning it gives me is in the middle of an #ifdef CPU_ARM
05:16:26saratogayes but I have not defined CPU_ARM
05:16:57saratogaat least not in configure or the makefile
05:17:12saratogagrep -r CPU_ARM gives no matches in my build directory either
05:17:15jhMikeSdid you #define CONFIG_CPU ?
05:17:21JdGordonits automatically defined in config.h
05:17:40jhMikeSCONFIG_CPU shouldn't be the target CPU for a SIM
05:19:04saratogai didn't touch CONFIG_CPU at all
05:19:14saratogado i need to?
05:19:26JdGordonyou might have to...
05:19:32jhMikeSIt shouldn't be defined by the config file if a SIM is made
05:20:04saratogaugh its being set to PP5024
05:21:49saratogagreat now thread.h blows up on me
05:22:25saratogagetting this thing to compile without specifying an ARM or Coldfire CPU is annoying
05:22:59jhMikeSAll sims should be compiling as such
05:23:10JdGordonjhMikeS: he's doing a new target... not a sim
05:23:17jhMikeSah
05:23:18JdGordonso the firmware/ code is all being comipled..
05:23:36JdGordonsaratoga: just think, the mips guys will thanks you when they start getting code in :)
05:23:43jhMikeSI saw "eax" and such in the pasteand assumed :)
05:25:07saratogai guess I should just define something like SDL and change a lot of the ifdef SIMULATOR lines to #ifdef SIMULTOR || SDL ?
05:25:43*jhMikeS saw the SDL mention as well. wth sort of target?
05:25:52saratogageneric SDL
05:26:02saratogafor now that would be my ubuntu PC
05:26:16saratogabut eventually some sort of cellphone or whatever
05:26:25jhMikeSso the "rockbox as app" thing ?
05:26:33saratogayeah
05:28:25saratogabasically i want to bring all the sim stuff into the target tree, with the option of targeting a generic CPU, or an ARM CPU in which case all the ARM assmebly stuff gets used when possible
05:28:55saratogaand then i want to work on the possibility of targeting other APIs then SDL
05:29:18JdGordon... the swedes liked the idea of (at least initially) keeping the sdl target and the sims seperate..
05:29:29saratogai saw that
05:29:34saratogaand it makes sense to me
05:29:44saratogaso i was goign to leave the current sim completely alone
05:30:14saratogai guess some code will be duplicated, but probably not much, and not for long i think if anyone started seriously working on an app port
05:31:14saratogaand i suppose we don't actually have to commit the generic SDL target stuff if no one sees a use for it, though i think it'll be useful for me, at least while i'm figuring all this out
05:31:22saratogamuch quicker then trying to debug on a target
05:31:39JdGordonI'm going to have another go at trying to get gcc going for winCE again once the month rolls over and I have heaps of download limit to churn though again
05:32:05saratogaand i'm dreaming of eventually adding the emulator project as a target too . . .
05:32:31saratogaJdGordon: how far did you get last time?
05:32:56JdGordonnot very... gcc wouldnt compile and the only binary packages are for i386 and rpms
05:33:07JdGordonso gonna get a i386 VM going
05:33:20saratogayou only have x86-64?
05:33:45JdGordonmy desktop is amd64 debian
05:33:52JdGordonlaptop is windows...
05:33:54*jhMikeS dreams of a gcc port to rockbox so he can compile on target :)
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05:34:25JdGordonMr. Lunatic :D
05:34:38saratogadoes gcc for wince require Windows?
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05:36:43TheGazRI've thought of a pretty cool idea for Rockbox that I won't mind having a go at inplementing in the summer
05:37:06TheGazRI don't think Rockbox supports it yet, but some form of Pin code?
05:37:32TheGazRBeing able to lock your device, or if it's idle for a certain amount of time it locks itself or something :S
05:38:10saratogaits been proposed before, but most people seemed to think it was a bad idea
05:38:30TheGazRHmm, fair enough
05:38:49TheGazRWhy is that out of interest?
05:39:04saratogayou can always mount in UMS mode and remove the lock
05:40:08TheGazRMy idea was something like, have a unique encrypted key that you could have on the device and on your computer, and if the pin code was entered wrong 3 times or something it bricks the device, and the only way you're able to unbrick the device is by plugging it into your computer or something
05:40:48JdGordonsaratoga: supposedly not... you can compile the wince libs on linux or something... there isnt much working howto's though
05:41:08saratogaJdGordon: which is the prefered environment?
05:41:13saratogaWindows i guess?
05:41:26JdGordonfor what?
05:41:31TheGazRI thought of the idea whilst walking home from a party, so it's a bit shady at the moment
05:41:35saratogafor the wince-gcc project
05:42:00JdGordonwell, no, the point of that project is for linux guys to be able to write their wince apps on linux..
05:42:13saratogaoh
05:42:27JdGordonthe other option is seeing if mingw can compile rockbox on windows...
05:43:17saratogaif it'd help, i can probably find you a 32 bit linux machine around here without a bandwidth cap, though i don't know how usable SSH is over this kind of distance
05:43:46JdGordonna its alright
05:44:03saratogapersonally i'm rather indifferent as to which target we look at, i just want to be able to care as little as possible about the horrible details of setting up gcc and all that
05:44:07JdGordonim pretty sure i have a i386 ubuntu cd somewhere... im just lazy and using th end of the month as an excuse :?p
05:45:14saratogathough i am a fan of MS's documentation, so if we can link their api it might be fun
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05:46:57JdGordonwell.. once the framework is more solid we should be able to get a winCE target going along side a sdl target or nix or whatever... so if you prefer a linux phone then its all good
05:47:09*JdGordon is just sick of media player on his phone :p
05:47:24JdGordon... not that he uses it as a DAP much anyway
05:47:33saratogais there some way to #ifndef two terms on one line or do I have to do two seperate #ifndefs?
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05:59:36saratogadoes sysfont.h get created at compile time?
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06:00:43JdGordonyes
06:01:01saratogaby what process
06:01:15JdGordonmake
06:01:54JdGordonits in the MAkefile in firmware/
06:04:14saratogai'm not getting one during make, do i need to declare something special in configure?
06:10:45saratogahmm configure specifies convbdf so i'm not sure why it wouldn't get made
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06:23:31woodensoulHas anyone noticed the bug that causes a total crash when advancing to any files queued or insterted into a playlist already playing?
06:25:03JdGordonhow can you advance to a already played track?
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06:26:16GCTonyHawk7Hello, having some trouble with applying themes in Rockbox.
06:28:46woodensoulJdGordon: I meant the playlist was already playing, and inserting or queueing additional tracks causes the freeze when those tracks play.
06:30:39JdGordonby pressing next untill you get to the track?
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06:31:29GCTonyHawk7Does anyone have the Rockbox DevKit?
06:31:35GCTonyHawk7All the links i find are dead for it.
06:32:51JdGordonyou dont need the devkit for themes...
06:33:06JdGordonand thats been deprecated nayway... there is a vmware image you can use
06:33:07GCTonyHawk7I'm trying to use jClix
06:33:27GCTonyHawk7http://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/08/jclix-rockbox-themes-ipod-video.html
06:33:28JdGordonwhats the problem?
06:33:32GCTonyHawk7Says I need those five patches.
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06:34:43JdGordonwe dont support custom builds...
06:35:05JdGordontry the forums though, there might be a prebuild build there for that
06:35:21GCTonyHawk7Well, any easier way to make the rockbox look better?
06:35:35GCTonyHawk7By default it looks like crap.
06:36:00JdGordonrockbox-themes.org
06:36:26GCTonyHawk7Ya, but those all look bad. The good looking ones require patches. :-\
06:36:44LloreanMake your own then.
06:36:58GCTonyHawk7Sorry, I'm kind of a newb at this. Was fed up with iTunes and apple's shit and found this.
06:37:08LloreanWell those are your choices.
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06:37:26GCTonyHawk7So they make those themes even though you can't use them? o_O
06:37:32woodensoulJdGordon: No, actually, I've always seen the freeze when the track plays normally without pressing next to get to it.
06:38:12JdGordonwhat rockbox build number? (go system > rockbox info)
06:38:43woodensoulI think I started getting it about 2 or 3 weeks ago.
06:39:05JdGordonhave you tried the very latest build?
06:39:12woodensoulI updated to the current SVN a few days ago and still got the bug.
06:39:30JdGordontry again with the latest build, if its still there do a bug report...
06:39:55woodensoulwere there commits recently addressing that issue?
06:40:01JdGordondunno
06:40:39Lloreanwoodensoul: The keys are A) it should be a bug report, and B) bug reports should always be against the current build.
06:41:24woodensoulyeah
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06:46:48JdGordonso much for waiting :p I got a deb i386 image going... anyone else want ssh access to try getting cegcc going?
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06:57:54JdGordonoh poo!
06:58:12JdGordon"the file 'hello' cannot be opened." :'(
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07:12:01JdGordonarg, not a valid win32 app :(
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07:53:56GCTonyHawk7Hey, I'm having trouble getting the album art to display on Rockbox for the iPod 5G.
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08:01:30linuxstb_GCTonyHawk7: Have you seen this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt
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08:01:48GCTonyHawk7I've not. thanks. ;-)
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08:04:00GCTonyHawk7Hmmm, kind of a pain. :-\
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08:26:30GCTonyHawk7Anyone around?
08:27:02linuxstbIf you have a question, just ask it.
08:27:22GCTonyHawk7Heh, ok. Anyone here use Mediamonkey to sync to Rockbox?
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08:28:30linuxstbI doubt it. Most people here seem to simply copy files manually. But I may be proved wrong...
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08:29:04GCTonyHawk7Hmmm, the album art thing poses a problem... and I'm sure someone has done something with it in Mediamonkey.
08:29:08GCTonyHawk7Google not helping though.
08:29:21GCTonyHawk7See, when syncing, it has the power to put the album art into the folder.
08:29:27GCTonyHawk7Although, it uses JPG.
08:29:45GCTonyHawk7I bet there could be a script written for Mediamonkey to make it a Bitmap at 100x100.
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08:37:45csc`what does rockbox use as a bugtracker?
08:38:29csc`flyspray?
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08:55:18lobfhello
08:55:27lobfcan anyone help me with a technical problem?
08:56:55JdGordonnot if you dont ask a question...
08:57:26lobfheh
08:57:27lobfhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16990.0
08:57:34lobfit's easier than typing it out
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08:58:01JdGordonffffffff means -1 which means there is a real bug somewhere....
08:58:17JdGordonyour using the latest build?
08:58:51lobfyup
08:59:01lobfwhat's -1 mean?
08:59:16JdGordonit means there is a bug somewehre
08:59:20lobfand it counts way past how many files i have on my ipod, let alone audio files
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09:00:21lobfso any idea what i should do?
09:00:25lobfi used version 1.0.5
09:00:42JdGordonof what? rbutil?
09:00:54lobfyeah
09:01:20lobfbut i also tried with rockbox.zip
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09:01:39lobffrom the current build page
09:01:43lobf30 and 60
09:01:54lobf\80
09:02:17JdGordonfile a bug report... Slasheri is the database guy, he might know what mihgt cause that
09:04:17lobfplease forgive my ignorance, but how do i do that and where do i put it?
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09:07:27linuxstb_lobf: Have you checked your disk for errors? e.g. with "chkdsk /f" ?
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09:07:52lobfi have not
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09:08:38lobfi'll give that a shot, but could you tell me how to make and where to put an error report?
09:09:29linuxstbFollow the "bugs" link in the menu to the left of every page on the Rockbox website
09:09:42lobfthanks :)
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09:12:46lobfi don't see how to make an error log
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09:14:20linuxstbWhat do you mean by "error log" ?
09:15:17lobfi thought the software would make a log of it's error...
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09:18:34linuxstbNo... It just gives up and doesn't do anything - it doesn't know what's gone wrong, and trying to write to disk may fail badly.
09:18:45lobfgotcha
09:20:02lobfi tried chkdsk but it says the volume is in use
09:20:13lobfi'm fairly computer literate, but i've never used chkdsk
09:20:50linuxstbDo you have any windows open using that drive? Even just explorer?
09:21:03*linuxstb suggests google...
09:22:09lobfno, i don't
09:24:10lobfoops
09:24:13lobfwrong direction
09:24:56lobfhm... the chkdsk screen shows up for a hald a second then disappears
09:25:20linuxstbStart a command prompt, then type the command in there.
09:27:05lobfgot it
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09:30:12JdGordonjhMikeS: is it better to yield() whenever possible and let the schedular work it out? or just yield once a second or so?
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09:32:39linuxstbJdGordon: I think most of the code yields a lot more than once a second - i.e. at least 50-100 IIRC.
09:33:27JdGordonit seems the playlist generator is yielding for every file added... I think changing that to once per HZ/2 should speed it up and still work fine?
09:34:36linuxstbI would be surprised if that made a noticable difference, but you could try.
09:34:38*JdGordon starts a very unscientific test
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09:35:35linuxstblobf: Did chkdsk find any problems?
09:36:07lobfit found a problem with an oblivion mod that i had stored on there
09:36:21lobfthat's it
09:36:38lobfi deleted that and am doing it again just for fun
09:37:32bertrikhas it ever been considered to make the cpu boost automatic?
09:37:59lobfokay, chkdsk finished, no errors
09:38:20bertrikright now, boost/unboost is all over the code and prone to be unbalanced. I've run in quite a few bugs with this already.
09:38:45bertrikMaybe we could decide to boost/unboost in the kernel, based on the number of tasks that are ready
09:39:17linuxstbHow would that work? Just having 1 task ready could mean the CPU needs boosting.
09:41:11bertriklinuxstb: you mean like a codec decoding task that doesn't run fast enough to be realtime when unboosted
09:41:43lobfhey linux- any suggestions?
09:42:06linuxstbbertrik: Yes. Or disk reading which doesn't _have_ to boost, but it saves power if it does (IIUC).
09:42:48linuxstblobf: I assume you're still getting the "undefined instruction" ?
09:43:15lobfwell i haven't tried the databse since i did chkdsk... should i?
09:43:42linuxstblobf: Isn't that the problem you're trying to solve?
09:44:07lobfyes, but i did't know if chkdsk changed anything
09:44:18lobfi thought it just verified whetheror not my disk was fucked
09:44:36linuxstbIf you used the "/f" option, then it should have fixed any errors it found. You said it found an error with one file?
09:44:53lobfyes
09:44:56lobfi'll try it again
09:45:11jhMikeSJdGordon: once a tick at least
09:45:13lobfi remember it saying it fixed some stuff
09:45:20bertriklinuxstb: I'm just playing with the idea, haven't thought all consequences through yet
09:45:25lobfbear with me :)
09:46:41linuxstbbertrik: There seems to be a difference of opinion about the Rockbox kernel - some people want to keep it as simple as possible, others want to make it as complex as possible...
09:46:41lobfoh, also when i touch my scroll wheel when it's databasing the file number moves more quickly for a moment
09:46:49bertrika disk reading task could yield instead of sleep to keep it's task in the ready state and indicate it's not really done yet
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09:47:11jhMikeSJdGordon: too much and you just kill cycles with pointless switch_thread calls that will just likely select the same thread again
09:48:58jhMikeSyield cycle burning is pointless and the core can't enter a low-power state in a yield call - only sleeping or blocking which can take all threads off the run list. thread block and waking is a microsecond-level activity anyway.
09:50:11JdGordonok, so is HZ/4 too slow?
09:55:10jhMikeSby a factor of at least 25 :)
09:56:46JdGordonok, so it was probably yielding less than once per tick anyway..
09:57:03JdGordonroughly how much can these cpus do in a tick?
09:57:46jhMikeSlinuxstb: "complex as possible"? I see it as "make it as simple for the other 99% of the code as possible".
09:58:23jhMikeSJdGordon: Updating the display several times isn't much to ask
09:58:56JdGordonwalking the directory tree?
09:59:28linuxstbjhMikeS: I know - but others (including me) would like to just keep the kernel simple and understandable by as many people as possible.
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10:00:19jhMikeSJdGordon: a hundred or so files w/o dircache it looks like
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10:00:47JdGordoncrikey... so it could very well be yielding many hundreds of times per tick?
10:01:44jhMikeSJdGordon: probably - a gigabeat can rack up millions of switch_threads just starting the firmware (because of spinning in the ata driver)
10:02:23JdGordonwould it be stupid to add a check in the actual yield call then to stop that?
10:04:32jhMikeSlinuxstb: things can't be simpler than the task demands though or you'll just end up with ill-behaved code - so for example, if you have priority, a scheme to prevent inversions is mandatory which amounts to inheritance (easy to use, hard to implement) or ceiling protocols (easy to implement, programmer must watch resource priorities though).
10:05:38jhMikeSJdGordon: dsp.c just watches the tick. it needed at least one upon entry and then limits it to each tick change thereafter.
10:08:26lobfhey linux... it worked!
10:09:04lobfthank you so much for your help
10:09:08lobfand being patient
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10:10:43linuxstblobf: No problem. Rockbox shouldn't crash though, so it shows more sanity checking is needed somewhere...
10:11:20lobfthisis pretty awesome software
10:13:41bertriklinuxstb: I like simple too, but so far I've seen enough bugs with boost/unboost to make it worth thinking about some kind of autoboost
10:14:53linuxstbbertrik: Are there currently bugs with unbalanced boost/unboost calls?
10:16:12bertriknot sure if it's an unbalance, but the cpu in my sansa stays boosted when playing the last song of an album with repeat off
10:18:40bertrik(this is already on the patch tracker : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8964 )
10:19:09bertrikpatch->bug
10:21:41jhMikeSbertrik: we had that and it's really very ugly because there really no reliable way to tell outside the thread doing the boosting when it should or shouldn't. It's manual but calling trigger_cpu_boost multiple times in a row doesn't accumulate counts for the thread that did it. 100 calls to trigger_cpu_boost for example gets cancelled by a single call to cancel_cpu_boost.
10:25:14jhMikeSI can say for sure that the auto thing created way more difficulties, longer-lasting bugs and strange hacks to "make sure".
10:25:32lobfhey can you guys tell me if i need to do a new database every time i load music?
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10:26:52linuxstblobf: Not if you enable the "auto-update" and "load to RAM" options. The Rockbox manual should describe it.
10:27:54bertrikjhMikeS: ok, if it's already been tried and found too complex, then that answers my original question :P
10:28:15lobfi'll admit, i've only skimmed the manual
10:30:28lobfoh, and i never had an obvious option to load to ram after i finished the database
10:32:20lobfand i have a bizarre now playing screen
10:34:00lobfwhen i try and play a song from the database menu it tells me it's searching and counts down... is this because i enabled shuffle?
10:36:54lobfmy now playing screen is majorly fucked up
10:37:01jhMikeSbertrik: one exeption will likely be the IMX31-based targets which has hardware dedicated to DVFS that watches activity in various systems and can scale gradually the frequency and core voltage
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10:41:41lobfhey dude, did you catch my new problems?
10:42:28lobflinuxstb?
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10:53:15advcomp2019lobf, whats going on now
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10:53:56lobfheh, actually give me a minute, it may have sorted itself out
10:54:25lobfyou can tell me if the searching countdown every time i select a song is because of shuffle, though
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11:06:05lobfadvcomp- do you know what that's about?
11:09:59JdGordonlobf: unless you type the persons whole nick there is no point typing any of it....
11:10:41lobfsome irc clients beep on abbreviations
11:11:02JdGordonalmost none do that by default
11:11:04lobfi used to go by lotsofblackflags and there was a guy called otso who used to get beeped whenever someone would type my whole name
11:11:25lobf*shrug*
11:11:33lobfi didn't know it was so uncommon
11:11:34JdGordonits also just as easy to press <tab> than to press -
11:12:34advcomp2019i am not sure
11:12:57lobfthanks for the tip, JdGordon
11:13:02lobfthat's useful
11:13:52lobfrockbox isn't so great for podcasts, though...
11:14:37advcomp2019if you use the files and not database it is useful in my opinion
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11:18:01lobfgood idea
11:20:02*BigBambi doesn't get the whole thing with podcasts being different - they are just audio files...
11:21:14lobfthe default ipod software keeps track of which you've listened to already, lists them by date, and has them in a separate directory
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11:22:23lobfi like KCRW's Left Right and Center... unfortunately there's little to differentiate each episode
11:22:45BigBambilobf: could you edit your forum post with the fix - it could help others in the future
11:22:54lobfabsolutely
11:23:04BigBambithanks
11:23:06JdGordonguys... this channel is on topic so off to a different chann thanks...
11:23:31*BigBambi thinks discussing podcast handling within rockbox is on-topic
11:24:04JdGordonmeh :p
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11:29:34lobf_edited
11:29:38lobf_is that good?
11:30:56BigBambilobf: yes, thanks very much
11:31:22lobf_no problemo
11:31:43lobf_do you know how i'd find my podcasts in the file menu?
11:31:59BigBambiYou would need to transfer them not using itunes
11:32:14BigBambias itunes does the stupid file and directory name chaning
11:32:39lobf_that's such a pain in the ass
11:32:43BigBambiA lot of people just copy and paste, but if you do that, they won't appear in the OF
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11:35:02lobf_what's OF?
11:35:10BigBambioriginal firmware
11:36:53lobf_i see
11:37:06lobf_well, now it's my turn to hit the sack
11:37:13lobf_thanks for all your help, fellas
11:37:34lobf_i'll be on again with another bizarre problem, I'm sure :P
11:38:49lobf_night
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11:56:28n1sjhMikeS: it seems the 5.5g 80GB problems are back for some users, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15542.msg125920#msg125920
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12:13:00n1si don't know much about thread synchronisation and the like but why is the mutex only locked/unlocked in ata_read_sectors if MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE is not defined?
12:14:30JdGordonso a read/write doesnt happen to part of the open sector when its 2048 bytes instead of 512?
12:14:46jhMikeSbecause I think it gets called from higher up with the mutex locked in that case
12:15:22n1sah, ok, just seemed weird to me :)
12:21:06crash91Where is the album art code located?
12:22:07crash91Or rather, the code for displaying it in the WPS
12:22:16n1shmm, i see no special casing for MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE in fat.c so imho it would be worth it to try with the same locking in ata_read_sectors for the 5.5G as the others use
12:22:30JdGordoncrash91: apps/gui/gwps*.c
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12:22:51crash91JdGordon: Thanks
12:25:26jhMikeSn1s: I added a comment basically stating the real bug should be taken care of and stop band-aiding with that hack. I'd do it myself if I had a still-afflicted device.
12:26:52n1sjhMikeS: yeah, blind debugging is no fun :/
12:28:33n1sanyway, great work on that thermistor reading thing, real hacking should involve towels and icepacks :)
12:28:53jhMikeSNico_P and Horscht both reported the "all clear" on it and their device were afflicted badly until the power delay increase.
12:30:11jhMikeSn1s: thanks. :) care to check the temp on a completely cold 'beast compared with a thermometer? don't delay in getting to the readout since the temp starts going up pretty fast.
12:30:30n1sit seems all reporters have dircache + auto resume enabled which both fight for the disk at startup, do you know if they tested with those settings?
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12:31:05n1sjhMikeS: measuring on the outside with a thermometer? i'd rather not open it up
12:31:08jhMikeSI've tested a 5.5G and everything else with those settings. The UI is never affected.
12:31:33jhMikeSn1s: no, in the battery screen it shows deg C/F on the 2nd page
12:31:50n1sah, you mean compared to ambient
12:32:02jhMikeScompare completely cold device with air temp
12:32:13n1sok, will give it a shot
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12:36:57jhMikeSbe very quick - it starts heating it fast esp. with the disk running so you might see a degree or two warmer
12:37:27n1sI had to unzip a new build but after that it was 4C above the air temp
12:38:00n1si'll let it rest for a while and test again
12:38:02jhMikeSabout what I'd expect after that so the research seems sound
12:38:31jhMikeSwhat was the temp btw?
12:38:53n1s27C battery, 23C air
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12:42:29jhMikeStoffee82: (for whenever you may read this) Have any more defunct boards from which you can send me more thermistors (carefully removed)? Getting component tolerance out of the equation would be nice.
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12:55:15BigBambijhMikeS: need any more temps?
12:56:24jhMikeSBigBambi: the more the merrier. the greater the range of ambient temps the better too.
12:56:56BigBambiok, I need to update the build so I'll have to let it cool first a bit
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13:00:28jhMikeSI saw that it can measure a degree or two warmer even after an hour or so. One thing that helps is put it face down on something insulated or a surface that doesn't match the air temp will change things.
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13:02:26BigBambijhMikeS: After a minute or so (on, unzip build, rolo, look) battery temp was 27 deg C, ambient is ~ 24-25 deg C
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13:05:08jhMikeSsounds about right. btw, the ambient temps are from a themometer near the device? When I let it settle and compare like that, they match for me.
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13:05:44BigBambiambient is from thermometer about 2 m away
13:05:55BigBambiI can leave the beast to see how the temp changes
13:07:08jhMikeSfrom my computer to near the light switch (maybe 2.5m) it's a couple degrees colder :)
13:07:42BigBambi:)
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13:08:15BigBambineither the thermometer nor the beast are near the computer :)
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15:41:25Makuserun1s: on what device?
15:42:03n1sMakuseru: testing the battery temp sensing thermistor calibration on Gigabeat S
15:43:05Makuseruhows Rockbox running on it? i have a F, and was considering getting the S once i heard some more about how Rockbox is doing on it.
15:45:33n1sit works well, we don't have charging support yet and the battery runtime is a bit shorter than the OF
15:46:15Makuseruso your one of the people working on it?
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15:47:46BigBambijhMikeS: reading was 26 deg C, ambient ~ 25 deg C, so seems reasonable
15:47:57BigBambi(after leaving it off for a while)
15:49:55n1sMakuseru: I've done a little bit, yes
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16:55:21PaulJam_hmm, are there any informations ablout a crash with "*PANIC* event line full"?
16:57:04preglowyes
16:57:09preglowcan't remember the fs entry, though
16:58:12oboPaulJam_: FS #8993
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16:59:49oboyou're getting a different event number?
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17:00:37PaulJam_i don't get any event number, just "*PANIC* event line full"
17:02:08obothe panic was changed in r17265 to print an event id
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17:06:22obomy bad - it's on add_event rather than remove_event
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17:18:51oboPaulJam_: do you have a recipe to reproduce it?
17:19:45PaulJam_i managed to reproduce it, but it seems to be unreliable
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17:35:44Davide-NYCjhMikeS: ping
17:39:52Davide-NYCjhMikeS: when you say to send thermistors from GBS units, is this a reversible process? I mean if I send you a working unit, will I get a working unit back?
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18:13:14entropyHello, can anyone help me find out why my 80Gb ipod freezes on all songs at 0:00, after rockbox install, on the apple side of its boot?
18:15:54entropyi am using rockbox version r.15589-071111 on an 80 Gb video ipod, and couldnt find this issue in the faq,manual, or rockbox site...
18:17:01linuxstbThat's about a six month old version of Rockbox... When did you inst
18:17:06linuxstb^install it?
18:17:16entropyabout 6 months ago
18:17:30linuxstbAnd have you had this problem since then?
18:18:10linuxstbAnd do I understand correctly that your problem is that songs now no longer play in the original Apple firmware?
18:18:11entropyyes, i mainly use the rockbox side which works fine, but now i thought id try to fix the apple side, just trying to get back my itunes junk
18:18:35entropythat is correct, they freeze at 0:00 but list alright on the ipod
18:19:25linuxstbSounds like a problem with the Apple firmware's database - nothing really to do with Rockbox.
18:20:06entropyalright, so i should probably search apples sites for a database fix solution, linuxstb?
18:21:25linuxstbI expect the only think Apple will say is to restore your ipod and transfer your music again with itunes. But third-party "itunes replacement" programs may be able to rebuild the database. But this is getting off-topic for here.
18:22:06entropyno prob, thanks for the help lstb, much appreciated, btw rockbox is great
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19:52:47saratogagevaerts: where are you at with the USB issue on PP?
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19:58:03Okee I would like your opinion. Which of the following two subtitles is more believable: 1) VoterRights −− Guarantying your right to online signature gathering; 2) Voter Rights −− Grass Roots Advocacy Solutions.
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19:58:50kylehjinI had a 5.5g 80GB with ROckbox working great until one day it randomly gives me errors about not finding rockbox.ipod and won't boot
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19:59:27kylehjinI try to mount /dev/sdb2 which is the large FAT32 partition I originally formatted with mtools but now it won't mount unless I actually specify -t vfat
19:59:41kylehjinOtherwise it will complain about unknown filesystem type
19:59:59kylehjinAnd when I do mount -t vfat /dev/sdb2 it works but I can't write to it!
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20:01:02saratogasounds like you have some file system problems, maybe run whatever checkdisk equivilent is in linux and see if it finds errors
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20:07:02krazykitkylehjin, yes, do fsck that filesystem, and make sure your user has write permissions on the mount. see the mount man page for what options you'd need.
20:07:44kylehjinkrazykit: So I fscked it and fixed maybe 7 or so errors
20:08:02kylehjinNow fsck.vfat returns no errors
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20:08:26kylehjinBUt I still have the same problems in that I cannot mount without -t vfat and when I do I cannot write to it even as root
20:09:09krazykittry -t vfat -o uid=whatever_your_uid_is
20:09:25krazykitoh, even as root.
20:10:12saratogaif you've got itunes handy, its probably just easier to restore the ipod and then readd your music and rockbox
20:10:35krazykitthere's also the manual ipod restore you can do from linux.
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21:04:27jason77Hi
21:04:42jason77would rockbox be supported on the iPod 160gb?
21:05:14LloreanRockbox does not run on the 160gb iPod.
21:05:30jason77yea but would it run eventually?
21:05:50BigBambiOnly if interested owners do the huge amount of work, but don't hold your breath
21:05:55jason77ok
21:06:07BigBambiThe firmware is encrypted, the hardware is new and undocumented
21:06:12jason77iok
21:06:16jason77ok just wondered
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21:19:13jason77pretty quite in here
21:22:24LloreanIt's not a conversation channel. There are many quiet periods.
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21:34:53*Nico_P doesn't see a battery temp reading in the battery info debug screen on his S
21:35:23n1sNico_P: it's on the second page
21:35:57Nico_Pwow I had never seen those additional pages
21:36:23n1sNico_P: btw could you retest the ipod 5.5G 80GB issue with dircache + autoresume causing skipping in playback since the ata hack was removed again?
21:36:42n1ssome reports have come in about it happening again now...
21:37:03Nico_Pn1s: I'll need to update, but I never got any skips, even when testing nonhack code prior to amiconn's fix
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21:37:46n1sah, then it's probably not very useful :)
21:38:07Nico_Pbut I have to agree that there seems to be some fight over the disk when resuming shortly after startup
21:38:13LloreanI thought the reports were for the disk spinning a long time, but not causing skips.
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21:39:07Nico_Phowever, the situation was much better after amiconn's fix. perhaps not perfect yet though
21:39:11n1sLlorean: the post by "TexasRockbox" mentions music cutting ot every few seconds
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21:39:55n1she also states that he has 12k files so the dircache build will take quite a while...
21:40:18LloreanI'd be curious what bitrate vorbis he's using.
21:40:54LloreanI mean, it might be a case of CPU starvation, rather than buffer starvation.
21:41:34Nico_PI suspect so. has he described what the buffering debug screen does?
21:41:37LloreanIf it were a buffer issue, I'd imagine people resuming FLAC or other very, very high bitrate files would see it the most, right?
21:42:58*n1s looks at fs#9030 and scratches head...
21:44:41LloreanJust respond "S3M files are not supported"?
21:45:26Nico_Pa data abort is ugly though
21:45:45LloreanYes, "bad" files should be handled properly
21:46:10LloreanBut I mean, regarding the apparent confusion in the last comment.
21:46:51n1sfrom what i understand, he reports a data abort when playing s3m files renamed to mod with a pitch of 200%??
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21:48:08LloreanHe seems to have requested that the task be closed, anyway.
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21:49:40amiconnNico_P: It's in fact puzzling that my fix would influence behaviour when resuming during initial dircache scan
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21:50:50amiconnThe fix changes timing for disk startup from poweroff state only, and when resuming during background scan, the disk didn't spin down at all before
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21:52:41Nico_Pthen I'm afraid jhMikeS might not be rid of that weird bug :(
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21:53:39*preglow wonders why our forums are called "rockbox _technical_ forums"
21:54:07LloreanBecause it seemed the best single word to cover "Support" and "Development"?
21:54:23LloreanThere was a discussion on it somewhen
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21:57:27preglowin what way isn't "rockbox forums" adequate?
21:58:10LloreanI'm not even sure if that was suggested. Heh.
21:58:35preglowthe fact that support and development are the topics are apparent from the sub forum names
21:58:38preglowoh well, just a minor nitpick :>
21:58:43LloreanThey were previously "Rockbox Community Forums" and at the time we were discussing a way of changing it that made it clear it wasn't really for peripheral / social discussion (IE: not an extension of misticriver and the like)
21:59:04preglowany reason why we don't have such a sub forum?
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21:59:53LloreanA social one?
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22:00:17LloreanWell, the primary reason (in my personal book) is that the forum software we're currently using offers no way to, by default, exclude subforums from searches.
22:00:51preglowah
22:00:55preglowwell, that's a valid point
22:01:22LloreanYeah
22:01:39LloreanThat's really the only thing (in my mind) strictly making it a bad idea.
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22:27:18fmlLlorean: do you have an opinion about whether we should declare the order of entries in viewers.config a feature?
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22:28:25LloreanI think it makes more sense than incorporating sorting code.
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22:29:08LloreanYou don't even have to declare it as a feature. Just sort the file itself alphabetically, and leave it.
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22:30:11fmlLlorean: yes. But if we declare it a feature it should be described in the manual and the implementation may not change e.t. to read them backwards
22:31:12LloreanAs I said, I don't necessarily think it needs to be declared a feature. I just don't think it makes sense to have the code alphabetically sort the entries, when you can just provide a pre-sorted file.
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22:33:34fmlHmmm... Then I think we should sort them because now the order is ehm.. bizarre
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22:46:17*jhMikeS wonders why it's now "his" bug with the 5.5G :\
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22:48:21preglowjhMikeS: how did that ata issue vanish, btw?
22:50:34jhMikeSat least part of it was related to using the disk too soon after power on
22:51:41jhMikeSnow I wonder if there's an issue with actually chaning things and not unpowering or resetting the drive after changing features
22:53:35preglowi've got to say usin the nano also got tons better around the same time
22:53:38preglowit's highly usable now
22:53:42preglowi wonder if it's for the same reason
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22:56:24jhMikeSmutex can let the core go idle whereas the "hack" cannot (it does busy yielding). amiconn found the core hanging when waiting for an interrupt for more than 5 ticks at a time.
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23:03:21amiconnpreglow: My fix shouldn't affect the nano at all, as the nano has no ata poweroff
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23:09:14gevaertssaratoga: I haven't done much on it. The main problem is that I don't have any ideas about what to try
23:09:56*jhMikeS wonders what other change might have crept in around that time
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23:10:00Nico_PjhMikeS: I didn't mean to say it was your bug, but I think you're the most qualified to fix it (with amiconn)
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23:11:13Nico_PjhMikeS: consider that maybe I was a bit quick to declare the bug fixed when I tested... there was definitely improvement but maybe not 100%
23:11:28preglowamiconn: i know, which is why something else has to have happened around that time as well
23:11:34preglowit really is another dap completely
23:11:39preglowit was unusable before
23:12:20Nico_Ppreglow: do you know the approximate revision it changed at?
23:12:22jhMikeSNico_P: hehe. well, it's really hard with not even the 5.5G I have access to ever having had an issue :\
23:12:39preglowNico_P: not in the least, i haven't used the nano for ages, since it was so bloody unusable
23:13:06amiconnpreglow: That's asking for a binchop...
23:13:08Nico_PjhMikeS: maybe I should send you LinusN's
23:13:14preglowbut i recall it was only unusable whule a) buffering, b) in wps
23:13:30preglowamiconn: indeed, but i'd rather spend what little time i have right now on struggling with the d2 port
23:14:06preglowNico_P: has linus ever had the use of his ipod himself? :P
23:14:51jhMikeSNico_P: LinusN's just gets mailed around the planet? I thought amiconn had it. :)
23:15:21amiconnIt's the travelling ipod ;)
23:15:47gevaertsIt's the only known ipod with a frequent flyer card
23:16:02saratogagevaerts: did you ever manage to get that signal quality test to work?
23:16:31Nico_PjhMikeS: I have it now :)
23:16:36*jhMikeS suggests engraving its various destinations on the case
23:16:41Nico_Pit's been a few months
23:16:49*Nico_P had thought of photos
23:17:00amiconnAnd no, LinusN could not have used this thing at all, at least not with rockbox
23:17:17gevaertssaratoga: No. There seems to be more to it than just enabling the bits. However I'm pretty sure that the problems we have are timing related, not strictly signal quality
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23:17:27peturha that's right, since amiconn fixed it :)
23:17:30amiconn..because I used it to get rockbox up & running on G5.5
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23:21:37amiconnOh, missing background for m:robe 500
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23:22:16amiconnThen building just worked by coincidence before, certainly not using proper gfx
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23:24:29peturamiconn: you have an H10 with radio, right? Does 9024 look ok to you?
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23:26:15amiconnpetur: MAS3587F always has recording, so that check is redundant
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23:27:12peturamiconn: the change is there to be able to compile without HAVE_RECORDING
23:27:22amiconneh?
23:27:26amiconnWho would do that?
23:27:55peturthe person who reported it ;)
23:28:13peturI just accepted it because it is cleaner to have it like that
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23:34:59jhMikeSpreglow: maybe things improved for nano on an unrelated aspect. I really can't see anything done around the time of the ata sleep change that looks relevent right off
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23:36:47preglowjhMikeS: i never really figured out what was wrong either, so
23:36:57preglowi should do a binary search when i have the time
23:37:49jhMikeSI think I found a bug though in ata.c re: when power_off is set
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23:41:29jhMikeSit looks like it might not get set to false when it should.
23:43:39*preglow pours himself a homebrew
23:43:58*petur looks at the empty fridge
23:46:59*jhMikeS was going to make beer-battered cod later ::)
23:47:07peturjhMikeS: are you refering to ata_read_sectors() ?
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23:48:12jhMikeSnot sure since I'm not following the logic of "poweroff" too well here
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23:48:49amiconnThe logic is a bit weird, but so far it worked....
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23:50:42jhMikeSI see poweroff being checked for true, the disk powered then poweroff not being set false
23:51:10amiconnThat happens later in ata_(read|write)_sectors
23:51:45jhMikeSaye, way down in a spinup check
23:51:52peturspinup is set to true and when that is handled lateron, poweroff is set to false
23:51:58*petur late
23:52:22jhMikeSSYS_USB_CONNECTED fails to set it though
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23:53:33amiconnThat's on purpose, I think
23:54:19amiconnNot sure.... probably best to ask LinusN
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23:56:58jhMikeSthere are race conditions in there too - checking variables outside the mutex lock that can be changed inside it which could cause the ata thread (and others) to perform actions based on stale data
23:59:00*preglow hugs low-level code

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