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#rockbox log for 2008-05-26

00:00:21*Nico_P sometimes wishes he had time to get more involved in lowlevel code
00:00:31etkohi guys i have TEAC MP-380 which i alter identified as EM850RB, the chipset should be RK2606A do you have any info on this machine and whether it coul be supported?
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00:03:34*Bagder found the data sheet just now
00:04:37Bagderit seems to have no cpu core, only dsp
00:06:48jhMikeSThis illustrates the sort of problem trivially (perhaps too trivially) where "foo" can end up "false" when it should be "true": http://pastebin.com/d78bc1c4d
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00:10:14Nico_PjhMikeS: the "if (foo)" check should be in the critical section, right?
00:11:29jhMikeSor a 2nd check inside it (double-check locking).
00:11:57jhMikeSthe example is sort of broken but I hope the point got across
00:13:29preglowNico_P: what kind of low-level code do you fancy?
00:14:22Nico_Ppreglow: I wouldn't know, but I've been introduced to VHDL and a teeny bit of ASM at school and I'm quite liking it
00:14:50Bagderhttp://www.mympxplayer.org/rockchip-rk2606a-datasheet-df626.html
00:15:02Nico_Pour current project is to write a compiler with (optionally) 3 different target machines (TAM, x86 and SPARC)
00:15:39Nico_PI think TAM is just an in-house stack-based VM
00:16:52*jhMikeS expands his datasheet collection
00:17:03Bagderetko: so, I would think a port to that architecture is very much work, as I doubt you'll find a free compiler for it
00:17:50Nico_Ppreglow: DSP stuff sounds ike fun, but my math skills aren't the best
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00:20:32jhMikeSwhat instruction set is the Rockchip thing? their own?
00:21:32Bagderit doesn't seem to say
00:21:53etkothx badger can you point where can i more info about cpu/maybe disassembler?
00:22:08Bagderetko: there is no cpu core in that chip, only dsp
00:22:20Bagderetko: and I find no details at all on the dsp core
00:22:31etkoi found that's based on something like zsp400
00:22:38etkoaccording to this post
00:23:21Bagder"The ZSP400 is a 16-bit fixed-point superscalar DSP core" ...
00:23:40jhMikeSthe code example looks a bit like a SH+68K hybrid :\
00:23:43etkohttp://www.mympxplayer.org/viewtopic.php?p=38499
00:24:05etkochip is rk2606A
00:24:18etkoi would just be glad to be able to dump bios :)
00:24:21Bagderhttp://www.bdti.com/procsum/zsp16xxx.htm <= zsp400 info
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00:24:53etkohow does software of such thing look? it's just one huge binary blob which is stored in rom directly?
00:25:24Bagderetko: usually we get a firmware upgrade file and analyze that
00:26:04etkoi can provide u with link on rapidshare psoted by somewhere else
00:26:16etkobut i don't know whther it's cripted
00:26:23etko*crypted
00:26:33Bagderwell I have no disassembler for zsp400 anyway
00:27:27etkohttp://rapidshare.com/files/49786276/TEM850RB_PCB1.4_002_1.7.17_new.rar.html
00:27:50preglowNico_P: dsp is fun indeed, and math skills are nice to have, but not mandatory
00:27:57etkoextracted it has rfw extension which seem fishy to me maybe some intermediate format?
00:28:06etkoi burned it onto the player and it works
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00:28:17Bagderburned it?
00:29:15Nico_Ppreglow: well, I do have some. my major is CS and applied math. it's just that I'm far better at CS than at theoretical math.
00:29:25preglowah, me too
00:29:33jhMikeShttp://datasheet.digchip.com/267/267-00783-0-ZSP400.pdf <= instruction set details
00:29:33preglowthe only reason i know some maths well is because of dsp :>
00:29:54preglowi pretty much require a practical reason to dive deeper into theoretical stuff, and dsp provided that
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00:30:52etkoBagder : when i said burned i meant uploaded it :)
00:30:54Nico_Pyeah I think I work the same. I like math when I can "see it work", e.g I quite enjoy with matlab
00:30:59*Bagder finds a "Rockchip boot editor." ... "Program is all in Chinese with no English translation unfortunately." ...
00:31:23GCTonyHawk7Hey, having some issues syncing my playlists (using MediaMonkey) to the Rockbox on my iPod 5G.
00:33:27preglowBagder: i've got a feeling learning chinese isn't the most wasteful use of time you could indulge in these days...
00:33:36Bagdervery true
00:33:50preglowi don't get the feeling it's a very easy language to learn, though
00:34:20Nico_Pthe people I know who tried enventually gave up
00:34:57etkoBagder : seems like the chinese version of this one after exraction
00:34:59etkohttp://www.mympxplayer.org/rockchip-logo-editing-logodiy-23-english-vt6928.html
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00:35:28Bagderyeah, that site has some rockchip goodies
00:35:52Bagderbut not goodie enough to help us much, that I saw at least
00:36:13XqtftqxGuys, whould it be possible for rockbox to see something like a usb thumb drive on the beast, with the adapter it comes with?
00:36:45LloreanXqtftqx: This is called "USB Host". It would require someone to do a lot of work
00:37:03XqtftqxAlright
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00:38:44etkobadger lets say the firmware is just one flat file
00:39:06etkoit should be possible to search ofr text at least shuouldn't it?
00:39:16Bagderyes
00:39:31Bagderbut text can exist in various forms
00:39:47Bagderand the file really won't be "one flat file"
00:40:41Bagderbut now I can't resist the force of my bed any longer, I'll be back here in 9 hours or so
00:42:01etkookay anyway thanks for info
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00:42:17etkoall of you, seems like it futile to fiddle with my crappy mp3
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00:46:14x_Hey, does anyone know a firmware update I could use for a dell dj or a dj ditty?
00:49:38x_Hello?
00:49:49preglowwhy the hell do you ask that here?
00:49:55preglowrockbox doesn't support any of those
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01:21:45inigomontoyahello, quick question, is rockbox capable of playing 24bit 96khz flac files without dithering?
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01:32:16GCTonyHawk7Wow, is it normal for Rockbox to last about30 minutes on an iPod 5g (battery)
01:35:37krazykitno
01:36:09GCTonyHawk7Seems like it is just drinking the battery like it's nothing.
01:36:12krazykitdo you get better battery life from the apple firmware? are you using the latest build?
01:36:31GCTonyHawk7Yes, using latest build, and better with the Apple firmware, ya.
01:36:40krazykithow much better?
01:36:57GCTonyHawk7My battery is really weak, lasts about 1.5 hours on the Apple firmware.
01:37:13krazykitah, then it's time to buy a new battery :)
01:37:15GCTonyHawk7Well, I've never had it die... but it threatens a lot.
01:37:48GCTonyHawk7Like, I just charged it, it was on the dock, and I was playing with Rockbox for about 15 minutes, and it says it is half full.
01:38:25GCTonyHawk7Seems like the more options I turn off, the more glitch-free this thing is.
01:38:41GCTonyHawk7I originally set them how I wanted, and it was awful.
01:38:50GCTonyHawk7got REALLY slow and laggy, and crashed a lot.
01:38:56pixelmawhat says it's half full?
01:39:02GCTonyHawk7I went through and turned most stuff off, and now it's decent.
01:39:06GCTonyHawk7The battery level.
01:39:32GCTonyHawk7Ugh, so far, Rockbox is a love-hate sort of thing.
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01:39:47GCTonyHawk7If it would just work, I'd love it.
01:40:00GCTonyHawk7But I've yet to use it for more than about 5 minutes without it messing up somehow.
01:40:41GCTonyHawk7It is tempting just to go back to the Apple firmware, which I know works... but, I don't want to.
01:40:52pixelmado you mean the percentage (as a number)?
01:40:52GCTonyHawk7Spent almost 10 hours setting this up, and to just go back would be sad.
01:41:05GCTonyHawk7Ya. the little battery icon.
01:41:18GCTonyHawk7And the time, went from 7.3 hours to 3.6 hours.
01:41:25GCTonyHawk7In about 10-15 minutes.
01:42:22pixelmaicon or number (in percent)? You can ignore the estimated runtime as it's not calibrated for the Ipods (I believe the manual mentions it somewhere too)
01:42:36GCTonyHawk7Icon.
01:42:44GCTonyHawk7There is no percent view, is there?
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01:43:06pixelmain the while playing screen or in the statusbar of the menus etc.? There is
01:43:14GCTonyHawk7Ahhh, in the info, says 61%
01:43:31pixelmaok
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01:46:02pixelmaI'm a bit curious. Why did it take you 10 hours to install Rockbox? Which instructions did you follow and what problems did you have?
01:46:38GCTonyHawk7Just took a LOT of confirgutation.
01:46:49GCTonyHawk7Spent a good 4 hours trying to get the skin the way I wanted.
01:47:23GCTonyHawk7Spent around 3 hours trying to get all my music synced right. Had a hell of a time with the playlists.
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01:47:55GCTonyHawk7Setting up the album art was a pain. Found a tool that will convert all the .jpgs into 100x100 BMPs.
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01:48:55pixelmaalright, I thought you spent 10 hours just for installing Rockbox but seems it was more for configuring.
01:49:35GCTonyHawk7Ya, installing was a sinch.
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02:03:09saratogaif your battery is that shot, the indicator in rockbox probably won't work too well
02:03:45saratogathe 50% mark is for a new-ish battery
02:04:18GCTonyHawk7I see.
02:04:25GCTonyHawk7I should look into replacements.
02:04:39GCTonyHawk7All my batteries are shot. :P
02:04:52GCTonyHawk7PSP, Nintendo DS, iPod.
02:05:07GCTonyHawk7There's got to be a better way.
02:05:40GCTonyHawk7Any way to change the charging screen with rockbox?
02:06:08saratogai don't even think rockbox has a charging screen
02:07:12GCTonyHawk7I'm looking at it.
02:08:41pixelmayou're probably looking at Apple's disk mode screen
02:08:41GCTonyHawk7http://zeldalinks.net/hosted/justin/Temp/cimg8875.jpg
02:09:05GCTonyHawk7Nope, the Apple one looks different.
02:09:42saratogayou're in the apple firmware i think
02:09:53GCTonyHawk7Nope.
02:10:01GCTonyHawk7That's with Rockbox.
02:10:02pixelmathat's the "emergency" disk mode of Apple
02:10:14GCTonyHawk7Odd.
02:10:24GCTonyHawk7What does Rockbox look like while charging?
02:10:35saratoganormal
02:11:30saratogayeah that picture is the same as the one on the Apple website, so its definately not rockbox
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02:49:42Dhraakellianhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SandiskE200BatteryMeasurements says that the battery benchmark plugin needs to be patched to work on the e200. Is that still the case?
02:50:40*Dhraakellian is thinking of doing some battery runtime measurements just for fun/curiosity
02:53:48Dhraakellianand 'cause, hey, I can always use a Bruckner binge or two with all 10 symphonies on repeat in various formats and such
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02:59:03csc`yeah
02:59:04csc`that is apples
02:59:14csc`apple's emergency mode is super simplistic
02:59:37Dhraakellian?
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03:05:02saratogaDhraakellian: it was at one point, i'm not sure if it still is
03:05:09saratogadid the patch it mentions get accepted?
03:07:00DhraakellianI don't see the FS# in http://www.rockbox.org/since-12months.html
03:07:33Dhraakellian2008-04-11: A task closure has been requested. Reason for request: i think, that my batt_bench_v3 patch solves problem and also improves working under other (hdd based too) devices
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03:09:19saratogasounds like its not needed then
03:09:28saratogaif it works without the patch,m would you mind editing the wiki?
03:10:11Dhraakellianso, let's see... reset settings, charge overnight, disconnect, start battery bench plugin, load playlist, set it going, turn on hold, sit back and enjoy the towering cathedrals of sound?
03:10:26Dhraakellianany changes in order?
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03:11:30DhraakellianI'm thinking that I'll do q6 Vorbis (aoTuVb5, if that matters) and q8 Vorbis
03:11:49Dhraakelliansince I already have copies with those encodings
03:12:19Dhraakellianand then dig up the archived FLACs and test lame V2 and V0 so that I can compare with the OF
03:12:32Dhraakellian...assuming I don't get bored
03:12:58saratogawhats the OF give you?
03:13:10advcomp2019saratoga, i had a few issues with the battery benchmark but it was random tho
03:13:38Dhraakelliansaratoga: dunno. haven't tested it.
03:14:09Dhraakelliansaratoga: I'm just curious
03:14:22saratogaif you do test it make sure to update the wiki
03:14:31saratogai'd like to know
03:16:24saratogasame for the ipod nano, i'm curious if Apple really does get the runtime they claim off that tiny battery
03:17:12DhraakellianI'm guessing that the Rockbox measurements will be much easier than the OF measurements, given that I won't need to worry about accidentally missing the cutoff if I'm not awake
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03:40:57GCTonyHawk7Hey, got a quick question.
03:41:06GCTonyHawk7http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12742.msg96330#msg96330
03:41:29GCTonyHawk7Looking at getting that, and not sure which to download. I've got a 30GB ipod 5G.
03:42:09saratogawe don't really cover the unsupported builds here
03:42:14saratogaask the guy who compiled it
03:42:20GCTonyHawk7:-\
03:42:36saratogathough in general you can always use 32MB builds on any ipod, unless the build has something screwy with it
03:42:41GCTonyHawk7Why is the supported build so... basic?
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03:43:05saratogatheres nothing basic about it
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03:43:20GCTonyHawk7Well, I guess my biggest issue with it is the skins.
03:43:28GCTonyHawk7And it doesn't do album art, correct?
03:44:53*Dhraakellian should look for a quick-and-easy album art converter/resizer for linux
03:45:14Dhraakelliansince I don't think I ever got that amarok script from kde-apps to work
03:46:04Dhraakellianon the other hand, plaintext doesn't really have room for album art, so *shrug*
03:46:15saratogathe SVN version does album art
03:46:29GCTonyHawk7SVN Version?
03:46:53saratogawhats in SVN is the official rockbox
03:47:19GCTonyHawk7Ahhh, so using the installer tool thing, I'd have the SVN?
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03:49:00GCTonyHawk7Maybe instead of complaing about the custom builds and complaining about the official build's theme, I should just make a custom theme for the official build. :P
03:52:12krazykitusing rbutil, you should have the latest SVN version, which should give you the orange and black cabbie v2 WPS
03:52:53GCTonyHawk7I could just modify that theme by changing all the images.
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04:10:16Dhraakellianhmm... for the battery benchmark, should I reenable scrobbling after resetting the config to defaults?
04:10:38saratogaon the sansa i don't think it will matter
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04:22:52Dhraakelliangiven the flash-based storage, yeah
04:22:59Dhraakellianshould I still make note of it?
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04:25:26Dhraakellianyarr, and I forgot how annoying that wheel light can be
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05:21:45totalanniis there a way to swap the bootloader around
05:21:56totalanniso that rockbox loads when the lock is on
05:22:01totalanniand apple loads when it isnt?
05:22:13LloreanIf you compile your own, sure.
05:22:21totalanniic
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06:12:05saratogaanyone know where VOLUME_MIN gets defined for the Sim?
06:12:09saratogai'm not seeing it anywhere
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06:16:58JdGordon|unisimulator/sound.c?
06:17:04JdGordon|unior maybe it takes te values from the simed target?
06:17:54saratogaJdGordon|uni: grep says no
06:18:07saratogafirmware/sound.c requires it to be defined though
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06:21:28saratogalooks like it does get it from the target hardware
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06:23:59JdGordon|unidoesnt it just warn if its not defined?
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07:11:46ballCan I add a mic to an iPod mini via the dock connector?
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07:14:23DerPapstiirc the minis don'T supportrecording hardware wise
07:15:50ballDerPapst: thanks. That makes me glad I didn't buy the mic today ;-))
07:16:05DerPapst:)
07:16:34ballOh well. I'll have to grep eBay for a Walkman Pro (or something)
07:16:49Dhraakellianwait for woot.com to have a sansa e200
07:16:53DhraakellianI'm not joking
07:17:06Dhraakellianwell, or just find a good deal for one elsewhere
07:17:21*Dhraakellian is *very* satisfied with his refurb e200
07:17:29ballI won't buy SanDisk again ...not without something really surprising happening.
07:17:48Dhraakellianhehheh
07:18:03Dhraakellianyeah... I gather they're either really good and solid... or really not
07:18:20Dhraakellianso far (1 month or so) mine seems to be the former
07:18:20ballMy m250 bricked
07:18:32balleventually got it replaced, but learned to be wary of Sandisk
07:19:00DhraakellianI <3 my e260
07:19:14Dhraakellianthe e200 line seems to be pretty good
07:19:38Dhraakellianbut one needs to be sure to get one with the old v1 hardware rather than the newer revisions
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07:19:54Dhraakellian(unless, y'know, they actually want to work on the rockbox port for the v2 hardware)
07:21:39ballI had no idea rockbox worked on any Sandisk hardware
07:22:28ballAnyway, primarily I need something that can record audio
07:22:38ballIf it works with decent microphones, so much the better.
07:22:40advcomp2019ball, yea rockbox works on the e200v1 and c200v1
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07:24:30Dhraakellianball: and the e200 does have a voice recorder
07:24:52Dhraakellianalthough I probably should've been sitting a few rows farther up when trying to record lectures
07:24:53advcomp2019the c200 does too
07:25:06Dhraakellianadvcomp2019: I was speaking from experience and didn't remember
07:25:15LloreanThe e200 and c200 don't have decent recording quality though
07:25:17LloreanTheir hardware is limited.
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07:25:32ballMy new m250 can record voice memos, but it's 8 kHz and can't use an external mic
07:25:41DhraakellianLlorean: the actual mic, you mean?
07:25:54LloreanDhraakellian: No, internally.
07:25:58DhraakellianI think the e200 is 22kHz
07:26:04DhraakellianLlorean: codec-wise?
07:26:28LloreanDepends on whether you mean codec as "the piece of hardware referred to as a codec" or "the software that encodes the audio"
07:26:29Dhraakelliane200 OF encodes to WAV (ew! for voice... rockbox's mp3 is nicer)
07:26:40LloreanThe OF doesn't matter
07:27:00Dhraakellianc200 encodes it to wma in OF
07:27:02Dhraakellianiirc
07:27:04LloreanRockbox can encode to WAV, low quality MP3 (the codec is somewhat optimized for speed over quality) or wavpack.
07:27:12LloreanDhraakellian: The OF does not matter here. This is #Rockbox
07:27:19DhraakellianLlorean: yeah
07:27:33LloreanWell, I shouldn't have had to say it twice. Please see the channel guidelines.
07:27:39ballI would prefer wav to mp3
07:27:47Dhraakellianah
07:27:52ball(would prefer .au to either ;-)
07:28:52DhraakellianI was just celebrating how much nicer rockbox was?
07:28:52LloreanThe e200 and c200 hardware are restricted to 22khz though, so they don't make good targets. Though if you're doing something that's suitable for .au, I guess low sample rates wouldn't matter much.
07:29:04Dhraakellianoslt
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07:29:24Dhraakellianyeah, for just recording voice, low-bitrate mp3 would be sufficient, I'd think
07:29:40Dhraakellianwhat would be the optimal settings for it though?
07:30:23ballDepends what you intend to do with the voice afterwards though
07:30:31LloreanIf you're looking for higher quality, the H100 series is better if you need a wider range of gain settings, or if you think you may ever want to record from digital input. The iAudios we support have the potential for higher sample rates than 44.1khz though (though the feature is not offered yet)
07:30:36ballMP3 involves lossy compression, so it's not great for mastering
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07:31:27Dhraakellianball: just reviewing lectures and such
07:31:51Dhraakellianwould speex encoding be possible on the fly?
07:32:30LloreanIf someone optimized the codec enough
07:32:55Dhraakelliantoo slow currently for the hardware on which rockbox tends to run, then?
07:33:16LloreanThere is no currently
07:33:35ballOn hardware with a mic input, does Rockbox support uncompressed audio recording?
07:33:39LloreanIt's not as simple as just throwing it on there and testing how close to realtime it is.
07:33:46Lloreanball: As I said, it supports wav and wavpack
07:33:55ballLlorean: thanks.
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08:02:17amiconnLlorean: The coldfire irivers (IDA1380) do not support higher recording sample rates than 44.1 kHz. They support 88.2kHz for playback only. The iaudios (TLV320) support 88.2kHz for both recording and playback
08:03:46amiconnOn iaudios, 88.2kHz are actually supported for recording in rockbox
08:05:12Lloreanamiconn: Oh, I thought it wasn't offered yet.
08:05:20LloreanMust only be playback then. Sorry.
08:08:56amiconnStill better than the 22.05kHz on the Sansas. :) Iirc jhMikeS had an idea how to extend this to 32kHz, but I don't know the details
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08:09:55amiconns/pdif recording on H1x0 supports all standard sample rates from 8kHz up to 96kHz btw
08:10:42Lloreanamiconn: If I recall he simply wanted to overclock something.
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08:11:02LloreanI knew about the s/pdif, actually. I just forgot to mention that one. I've made use of it before. :)
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08:16:26Haos32Did somebody make RockBox for ZSP400 architecture?
08:16:39JdGordonnot yet
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08:23:26JdGordonNico_P|school: linuxstb_: had a chance to look at the cond viewports patch yet?
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09:04:29Nico_P|schoolJdGordon: sorry, no
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09:28:15B4gderhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17006.0 my favourite kind of post
09:29:02linuxstbB4gder: Wonderful....
09:29:41Nico_P|schoolhahaha awesome :p
09:29:52JdGordonI wouldnt go that far :p
09:30:05B4gderI wouldn't even know what to reply so I'll shutup
09:30:19Nico_P|schoolat least the rockbox forums are a good place to ask such a question... and he even got the subforum right
09:30:24*scorche|sh writes something down
09:30:56*Nico_P|school is tempted to answer something along the lines of "a bag of shit"
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09:41:51LloreanTechnically speaking, the only guideline he violated was "Search first."
09:42:06LloreanHe named his player, he elucidated all necessary details to diagnose his problem, and his topic was even accurate. :)
09:42:47Nico_P|schoolisn't there a guideline against all-caps titles with vastly redundant punctuation?
09:43:01LloreanOddly enough, strictly speaking, no.
09:43:14LloreanI think all guidelines like that relate to post content.
09:43:27LloreanOne could abstract it to topics, I suppose.
09:43:54scorcheLlorean: i didnt say he violated them ;) ...i would call caps on the topic though
09:45:05LloreanAh well, shows Woot is bringing in interest
09:45:24LloreanDo we know what hardware's in the m200v1?
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09:45:33scorcheTCC, me thinks
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09:46:34B4gderyeps
09:46:39B4gderTCC770 iirc
09:46:44LloreanSo, $10 potential target at woot.
09:46:51Lloreanthat may be a new record for low price?
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09:47:36scorchedo any euros want to get in on it so i can pay $5 shipping for 3 devices (or 10 for 6) and bring some to DCE?
09:49:11B4gderscorche: I'm in for one
09:50:05LloreanAnd if they're v2s, they're that AMS chip we're also interested in, right?
09:50:08scorchehell, at $10 a piece, i can bring a bunch to DCE and hand them out for...what is 10USD worth these days...1 euro? =P
09:50:22B4gderLlorean: yes, although at that price I doubt they're v2s
09:50:44B4gderscorche: about the price of a stamp I believe :-P
09:51:22LloreanYeah, it seems pretty unlikely
09:51:32LloreanIt kinda looks like Woot just got its hands on *all* the left over v1s
09:51:53scorchewell, i cna bring 5 for devs, i suppose
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09:51:57SgtPnkksi bought an m240 from woot not too long ago for the same price... v2
09:52:05B4gderaha
09:52:16B4gderwell, I wouldn't mind a v2 either
09:52:20LloreanWell, v2 is more interesting anyway, isn't it a quite fast processor?
09:52:20scorcheexactly
09:52:40B4gderv2 would open for more existing targets
09:52:57LloreanYes
09:53:13scorcheright...so i suppose i shall be bringing 5 of them for whoever wants them at DCE
09:53:39peturgood idea
09:53:40LloreanI'll bring two more. So first 7 random devs we bump into get one.
09:53:49B4gderhehe
09:53:59LloreanAnd if too many people turn them down, well, I've got friend back here who wouldn't mind something they can jog with
09:54:00scorchepfft...competition?!
09:54:16LloreanAlright, best Tower of Rockbox gets one of 'em?
09:54:21B4gderoh no, no arm wrestling coming to the main land!
09:54:22LloreanJudged not by size, but by style, voted by acclimation.
09:54:40Lloreanacclamation even
09:54:43LinusNhe who can throw it the longest gets it
09:54:49Lloreanhahaha
09:55:01scorcheLinusN: and have it still work!
09:55:09LinusN:-)
09:55:55*scorche thinks his bags are going to be nice and full for the eurotrip
09:56:08*scorche thinks he might not bring his soldering station...
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09:56:40LloreanLast time I went through, with only about half of the stuff I'd be bringing, they ran my bag back into the X-Ray, called for a second opinion, and spent about 5 minutes trying to decide whether or not to hand search it.
09:56:55peturscorche: I'll bring mine...
09:58:25peturis automatic install for c240 supposed to work?
09:59:03LloreanYes
09:59:05*scorche orders 3 and will bug his dad to buy 3 on his account to tomorrow
09:59:09LloreanFailed to detect, or failed to install?
09:59:16peturfailed to detect
09:59:20LloreanSure it's in MSC mode?
09:59:54peturno idea, a coworker reported it, I can have a play with it at noon. He did install manually already
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10:00:01*scorche used a few devices on the road today during travelling and is getting quite pissed off about playback bugs
10:00:03petur(and likes it a lot)
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10:00:12LloreanIt worked fine on my c250.
10:00:42Lloreanscorche: Which ones?
10:00:43peturhe was very happy to discover he suddenly had a radio :)
10:00:45LloreanBugs, not devices.
10:02:10scorchecouldnt reproduce any of the bugs, but it just skips a few songs (including having the incorrect - the one it played - next song in the next track tag) and then fails to load the ID3 for the next...then when i go back, it will skip a couple back and then play things correctly
10:02:14scorchereally odd and annoying
10:02:41Lloreanhave you been skipping, or did it happen when left on its own?
10:02:47scorcheleft on its own
10:02:58scorchealthough i think skipping was involved too
10:03:20scorchehappened on my sansa, gigabeat, and H120 in unreproducible manners
10:03:33LloreanStrange.
10:03:48LloreanI know there's some strangeness with playback when skipping, but I haven't seen it when left absolutely alone
10:04:24LloreanI can't reproduce the skipping behaviour reliably yet beyond "skip forward, and it will eventually happen, seems to happen more if your skip triggers a spinup"
10:05:12scorchei seem to remember at least once where it was left alone (at least i think so...)
10:05:23LloreanMaybe it's getting worse. =/
10:05:54linuxstbJdGordon: Looking at your viewports patch, one line jumps out as being wrong - "if (letter < 'a' || letter > ('a' + WPS_MAX_VIEWPORTS))" in wps_parser.c (> should be >=, or subtract 1). Plus, shouldn't "letter" be called "label" to be consistent with the other parts of the code? Also, why limit the labels to the number of viewports - just allowing a-z might be nicer for a user (and easier to document).
10:06:05scorchegood...hopefully it can mutate into a reproducible manner =P
10:06:53peturLlorean: re the c240 detection, he said it showed up as two disks when he attached it... I'll try at noon myself...
10:07:05JdGordonlinuxstb: hmm, forgot to change that.. yes it was limited before because the viewport index was actually stored as that tokens data, but now its stored as a letter its fine
10:07:06scorcheLlorean: when i got my H120 and loaded a new build on it, i originally thought it was worse on that platform, but it did have a massively newer rev
10:08:16JdGordonlinuxstb: I'll fix it to be able to use uppercase also... but the user needs to remember he only has 16 viewports to play with anyway
10:09:14Lloreanpetur: That means it was in MSC mode. Strange.
10:09:33Lloreanscorche: I've only got experience with it in Gigabeat so far.
10:10:29scorcheLlorean: it is definitely on other targets
10:10:41scorchelikely swcodec-wide
10:10:45linuxstbJdGordon: I'm not sure there's a need for uppercase as well...
10:11:18Lloreanscorche: I didn't mean to suggest it wasn't. Just meant I hadn't done much testing on other targets
10:11:22JdGordonoh, ok then
10:11:27*scorche nods
10:12:25linuxstbJdGordon: Also, what about using %Vd (for "display" - consistent with %xd) instead of "enable" ?
10:12:36JdGordonok
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10:14:19linuxstbJdGordon: Also.... In the main display loop in gwps_common, you have this check in the "else" part, which I think isn't needed - "(data->viewports[v].hidden_flags&VP_DRAW_HIDDEN) == 0)".
10:16:12JdGordonhmm.. I tihnk your right there...
10:16:33JdGordonoh, while your looking at that code... shouldnt the loop to disable the images be outside the viewport loop?
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10:19:42JdGordondinner time
10:20:34linuxstbJdGordon: I'm not sure about that image loop. Maybe it should be inside the viewports loop to allow the same images to be used in multiple viewports...
10:26:01linuxstbJdGordon: Also, (this is just a personal preference), but I don't like the logic of the "called_refresh_mode" variable. I would reverse it, and create a new variable called "vp_refresh_mode", which stores the refresh mode for the current viewport being processed (defaulting to refresh_mode). IMO, it's then clearer in the code that "vo_refresh_mode" is something that relates to the current viewport.
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11:16:20ReKleSSif I were to build a BDM interface, how much work would it be to reflash my H120?
11:18:43*linuxstb pings LinusN for ReKleSS
11:19:35LinusNwhich bdm interface would you build?
11:19:54ReKleSSthe TBLCF one looks manageable
11:20:05LinusNurl?
11:20:14ReKleSShttp://forums.freescale.com/freescale/board/message?board.id=CFCOMM&thread.id=624
11:20:29LinusNah that one
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11:22:44ReKleSSbtw, I emailed you about fixing my H120 after a stupid flashing incident...
11:23:30LinusNReKleSS: ah, so you are Jeremy?
11:23:46ReKleSSyes
11:24:30LinusNi have been in touch with the creator of the tblcf regarding the gdb port
11:24:49ReKleSShttp://bdm.sourceforge.net/index.html <−− ?
11:25:35LinusNReKleSS: nice, i wasn't aware of that, it's been almost a year since i spoke to him
11:26:23LinusNReKleSS: i have written a tool for that bdm package that reflashes a h120
11:27:14ReKleSSso I'd just have to build the bdm module?
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11:28:44ReKleSSalso, the flash chip is the 16mbit BGA thing?
11:30:46LinusNyes
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11:42:47LinusNouch, MC68HC908JB16 wasn't that easy to come by in sweden
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11:55:51ReKleSSok... where are the bdm ports on the board?
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12:11:17LinusNReKleSS: the bdm port is on the side, the unmounted zif connector
12:12:37ReKleSSLinusN: just below the LCD?
12:13:42LinusNyez
12:14:06ReKleSSurgh
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12:20:44ReKleSSok, I don't think I'm up to this, the spacing is too tight
12:22:08LinusNReKleSS: i'll try fire up my bdm and let you know when it's ready
12:22:36ReKleSSok, thanks
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12:34:09zenowhats a mp3 player that 1. runs rockbox, 2. has minisdhc/sdhc card slot 3. is cheap
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12:34:35JdGordone200/c200
12:34:40linuxstbThe old (v1) versions of the Sansa C2x0/E3x0
12:34:40zenothanks :)
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12:35:33zenoselling my 4 year old iriver for 200 lol
12:35:49JdGordonwhich iriver?
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12:47:38zenoJdGordon: h300, im looking at the sansa ones and it looks like they just take microsd, not SDHC right?
12:47:48zenoi have a lot of music so i need the 8GB :)
12:47:55JdGordonit will take a micro SDHC
12:48:06zenoreally? nice thanks
12:48:15zenoill buy one tonite :)
12:48:26zenobtw is rockbox based upon linux?
12:48:26JdGordonand yeah, thats a great change.. I went h300 to e200 also.. lovd it :)
12:48:31JdGordonno
12:48:45zenoah ok, what is it then? just firmware?
12:48:55JdGordon_just_ ?
12:49:10JdGordonit will start making coffee from version 4
12:49:12zenodont mean that in a bad way :)
12:49:21zenoe.g. is there a good UI?
12:49:30*PaulJam wouldn't change his h300 for an e200
12:49:51B4gderzeno: rockbox is both os and apps
12:49:51JdGordonrockbox is the drivers, the OS, the GUI, the everything (except usb for the moment)
12:50:31zenoPaulJam: 1. the h300 sucks for running cause its not flash, 2. im getting 200 for it
12:50:48zenook B4gderthanks
12:50:54advcomp2019zeno, be careful of the v2s if you are going to look in stores
12:51:21JdGordonzeno: stick a 32gb CF in it and its flash...
12:54:18zenoJdGordon: didnt know it had a CF slot ill look into that
12:54:38JdGordonit doesnt...
12:54:43JdGordonyou get a CF card, and an adaptor
12:55:18crash91zeno: If you see anything on the packaging mentioning "Audible support" then its a v2 and wont run Rockbox.
12:55:47B4gderor its a refurbished with a misleading label
12:56:14B4gder(this has happened to more than one user)
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12:58:00zenothe e280 are CF, but i guess rockbox wont run :\
12:58:26advcomp2019the e280 should work if it is a v1
12:58:36B4gderbut it doesn't take CF
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13:02:15zenowhat does? (thats cheap)
13:02:49B4gderI doubt anything "modern" does. Or am I wrong?
13:03:00JdGordonthe e280 + a 8gb micro SD is probably the best if you want a flash target
13:03:29*LinusN ordered the parts to build a TBLCF BDM adapter
13:03:56B4gderor a D2, work on the port, and get a 16GB SD
13:04:11B4gdereven get a 16GB D2
13:04:18B4gdergives you 32 fresh GB
13:04:26JdGordonbut a touchscreen...
13:04:26B4gderand a port to work on, as a bonus!
13:04:27zenoB4gder: nice
13:06:24zenoB4gder: no sound output though :( http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CowonD2Info
13:06:43B4gder"and a port to work on, as a bonus!"
13:07:11B4gderthere's more left than just sound on that port
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13:08:21zenoyeah id probably work on it :)
13:08:39zenowould be my first driver work
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13:16:07B4gderthe directory formerly known as /iriver on the web server is now known as download.rockbox.org/device-pictures/iriver
13:16:26B4gderonce they're synced at least
13:18:23B4gder158MB of hires scans
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13:30:23zenoB4gder: i think im getting a d2, and 4 16GB sdhcs :)
13:30:45zenois the firmware in C? i know some of that but 0 assembly
13:32:26JdGordonC and a bit of asm
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13:41:36B4gderansic: 585284 (92.87%)
13:41:41B4gderasm: 15602 (2.48%)
13:41:46B4gdersh: 13969 (2.22%)
13:42:13B4gderhm, some build dirs included in that count messes it up somewhat
13:42:27B4gderthe number would be lines of code
13:43:12B4gderansic: 483497 (91.50%)
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13:43:22B4gderthere, the real numbers
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13:43:56*petur was waiting for logbot_ to kick B4gder :)
13:44:34JdGordonkicked pixelma instead :p
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14:19:37zenoits good you can dual boot so i can work on firmware, and still have it be usable
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14:23:39B4gderzeno: yes
14:24:03markunzeno: are you going to work on rockbox?
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15:06:21JdGordonlinuxstb: apart from your code comments, do you have any other thoughts ont he patch?
15:07:47linuxstbNot really. I haven't tested it, but I like the idea - I think it's a nice way to make viewports fully conditional.
15:08:32linuxstbOr rather, not fully conditional (that would mean making the viewport parameters configurable via conditions), rather that any condition can be used to control them.
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16:55:58krzhi all!
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16:56:24krzNico_P: hi!
16:57:14gevaertsHi krz
16:58:38krzhas anyone seen domonoky? =)
16:59:20B4gderhe signed off 3 days and 4 hours ago
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17:00:07gevaertsI assume he went away for the weekend
17:00:30krzah
17:01:01krzas you saw i was absent rather long and couldn't contact via irc
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17:13:50gevaertskrz: yes indeed, but domonoky told us that you had a valid excuse ;) I hope you're better now
17:16:03zenomarkun: ill try im new to writing drivers though
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17:17:32zenoim getting a cowen d2, id try to get sound support
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17:27:04zenowould http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855228012 be able to play mp3 lame v0?
17:27:56B4gderv0?
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17:29:18B4gderthat's an iAudio 7 => http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CowonIaudio7Info
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17:45:19zenov0 is VBR mp3 at around 256kbps
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17:46:22zenoim probably going with d2 actually
17:47:25B4gderI would assume all targets can play 256kbit mp3
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17:48:59crash91Meh, $189 for that?
17:50:16mcuelenaerehow advanced is touchscreen support in Rockbox currently?
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17:51:07Dhraakellianshould I enable replaygain in a battery test?
17:51:37gevaertsThat depends on what you want to use the results for
17:52:26*gevaerts guesses that replaygain doesn't make much difference though
17:52:59Dhraakellianand could mean that I wouldn't have to fiddle with the volume manually and thus activate the LCD
17:53:22Dhraakellianalthough volume would have an effect on battery life, wouldn't it?
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17:54:18*gevaerts doesn't really know
17:54:42Dhraakellianmeh... it's all a single symphony cycle... it should be mixed at pretty much the same volume, I'd think
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17:58:18Dhraakellianhmm... album gain varies between +2.31dB and -4.51dB
17:58:21*Dhraakellian shrugs
17:58:23DhraakellianI'll survive
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19:32:56Haos32Where can I find C compiler for iriver players?
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19:33:40PaulJamHaos32: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers
19:34:20domonokyHaos32: use the rockboxdev.sh script.. :-)
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19:35:04Haos32domonoky: thank you!
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19:35:52bertrikI built the arm-elf-gcc toolchain using the rockboxdev script under ubuntu 8.04, but I'm getting a lot of warnings about pointer targets differing in signedness
19:36:09bertrikanyone else have that too?
19:36:36bertrikI get the warning when building rockbox (not when building the toolchain)
19:37:23n1sbertrik: did you run configure afterwards?
19:37:58bertrikyes
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19:38:30n1swe use -Wno-pointer-sign on all gcc 4.x build so you should have that in your makefile unless configure was unable to determine your gcc version
19:38:43PaulJambertrik: btw, thanks for fixing the panic so quickly.
19:40:28bertrikPaulJam: thank you for finally making the problem reproducible :P
19:42:06bertrikn1s: can't find that option in the Makefile, I think I'll run configure again, maybe I missed something
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19:45:17bertrikn1s: sorry to bother you, it works now after removing/recreating the build directory and running configure again. Maybe I initially ran the configure script when the path to the arm-elf toolchain was not properly set up yet.
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19:46:09bertrikGCCOPTS now does indeed include the -Wno-pointer-sign option
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19:58:31wpyhanyone hacking the meizu players here?
19:58:59Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/04/20/d2-vs-m6-given-a-few-days-use/
19:59:06wpyhok
19:59:06*Bagder aways
19:59:20wpyhi didn't see a DFU tool for the meizu on Linux
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19:59:31wpyhso I tried running it under QEMU
19:59:32wpyh:D
19:59:42wpyhand it crashed when starting the firmware download
19:59:45wpyhany ideas?
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20:01:37wpyhI mean I got tired of waiting for a DFU Tool (to make the RB port easier) and thought I would try it myself
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20:09:27linuxstb_mcuelenaere: 1.3GB and counting...
20:09:35wpyhbagder: I saw your video
20:09:46wpyhI think you put the M6 upside down at the end...
20:09:55linuxstb_mcuelenaere: My download seems to be grabbing a load of Linux toolchains...
20:10:18mcuelenaerelinuxstb_: yes, I saw they've got like 190MB toolchains (one for linux 2.4 & one for 2.6)
20:10:21mcuelenaere+ some other files
20:10:26linuxstb_mcuelenaere: But I'm happy to just let it run its course and sort it out later...
20:10:39mcuelenaereI'm not sure if these need to be mirrored, maybe one should be enough
20:11:09mcuelenaerelinuxstb_: where are you going to upload it?
20:11:30linuxstb_I don't know yet.
20:12:46mcuelenaereBTW I'm planning to buy a player supporting this chipset, but I can't decide between two players. What's the status of Rockboxes support for touchscreens?
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20:17:13preglowmcuelenaere: you mean of the touchscreen device itself?
20:17:25preglowtouchscreen works, but is far from perfect
20:17:37mcuelenaerepreglow: I mean, how far is it integrated into the Rockbox UI?
20:17:56mcuelenaereI know there were some attempts to, but I didn't follow them up
20:17:56preglownot at all
20:18:02preglowthe touchscreen is used as buttons
20:18:12preglowpress lower part of screen for "button down", etc
20:18:31mcuelenaerehmm so no improvement yet ok
20:18:45preglowwe haven't even agreed how to do it
20:19:11*gevaerts has some ideas but no actual plans to do anything about them
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20:19:15mcuelenaereone idea for lists, could be to emulate something like a vertical touch stroke (like on the Creative Zen Vision:M)
20:19:22mcuelenaereor like on the ipod touch
20:19:23preglowin a way i almost prefer the way rockbox is doing it, no need to hit small buttons in random spots on the screen
20:20:10gevaertsIt would be great if the touchscreen mapping could be integrated in the WPS design
20:20:29mcuelenaereI believe that's an awfully lot of work
20:21:04gevaertsPress 'play' to play, touch the progressbar somewhere to seek, ...
20:21:45*gevaerts proposes to switch to draw mode when the album cover is touched. That way you can draw moustaches on the faces
20:22:09fmlAny brave soul here to commit the last patch in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9034 ?
20:22:43mcuelenaereis there something wrong with the database backend of Flyspray?
20:22:57BigBambiyes :)
20:23:10mcuelenaereah ok, so it isn't really PHP who's complaining :)
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20:23:24BigBambimcuelenaere: I believe there was an upgrade, since which various pages have stopped working
20:23:58*domonoky votes for gevarts moustache feature.. :-)
20:24:09mcuelenaereBigBambi: I always heard this had to do with PHP, but as it seems the database seems to have problems (or either it is the script); I was misinformed
20:24:37BigBambimcuelenaere: I have no idea what the actual cause is - when I replied to you initially, I meant more that there was just a problem in general
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20:25:47mcuelenaerehmm wasn't there some touchscreen patch in the tracker ? I can't seem to find it
20:26:14Dark_JackalQuestion: With the Rockbox firmware can you manually save mp3s to a common directory on the actual unit like you would normally on a common mp3 player or does it still require m4a?
20:26:30BigBambiDark_Jackal: Care to rephrase?
20:26:44BigBambiWith some details - e.g. what player?
20:27:00*gevaerts is totally confused by Dark_Jackal's question
20:27:07BigBambigevaerts: me too
20:27:12Dark_JackalQuestion: With the Rockbox firmware can you manually save mp3s to a common directory on the actual unit like you would normally on a common mp3 player or does it still require m4a?
20:27:27BigBambiDark_Jackal: that is the same question....
20:27:38BigBambiergo, I still don't understand
20:27:43Dark_Jackalipod
20:27:49BigBambiWhich ipod?
20:27:50Dark_Jackalipod
20:28:02Dark_JackalIpod
20:28:05domonokyDark_Jackal: with rockbox you can put your music where you like, it doesnt matter, and rockbox plays many formats, not only m4a ...
20:28:15Dark_Jackalbrb cgi -.-
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20:35:38Dark_JackalSorry about that cgi lag
20:36:08Dark_JackalHope that wasn't taken for spam
20:36:53BigBambiDark_Jackal: nope, but I didn't fully understand the question
20:36:58BigBambiAlso, which iPod?
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20:37:33Dark_JackalAnyway, my question was with the rockbox firmware can I save mp3s to a common directory on the perspective ipod rather than having it in a m4a or aac
20:38:05BigBambiDark_Jackal: Rockbox supports many many formats, and you can put them where you like
20:38:10domonokyyes rockbox can play mp3s, and many more formats..
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20:38:55Dark_JackalOk so it doesn't have to be converted into aac or m4a during the sync process then?
20:39:10BigBambiWhat sync process - just copy and paste
20:39:17Dark_JackalTHANK YOU
20:39:22Dark_JackalThats what I wanted to know
20:39:23Dark_JackalBingo
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20:39:25Dark_JackalThanks
20:39:29bertrikrockbox can't play DRMed files though
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20:40:04BigBambiDark_Jackal: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status
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20:41:20Dark_JackalThe project I'm working on was orgionally developed for standard mp3 players..The only problem is with the ipod m4a and aac extentions as well as it's microprocessor problems... So rather than taking the time to adjust the firmware or attempt to reverse engineer it
20:41:53Dark_JackalIt's easier to go with a potential project that will do the job just was well and free advertasing for the project to boot lol
20:42:16domonokywhat is this project ?
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20:43:09Dark_JackalRemote Synchronization
20:43:17Dark_JackalTo sum it up that is
20:43:18Dark_Jackallol
20:43:28n17ikhso, the battery life on my sansa e260 seems astoundingly poor. I know the battery meter is based on battery voltage but after charging with the OF until it says it's full rockbox says it's only got 68%. is this correct?
20:44:20BigBambin17ikh: I get longer battery life with rockbox cf. the OF on my e260
20:44:31BigBambiAnd it goes to more than 68%
20:44:47bertriksame here
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20:45:31Dark_JackalThis project is released under the GNU license right or am I mistaken?
20:45:34BigBambiyes
20:45:39BigBambiGPL
20:45:44Dark_Jackalok
20:46:15n17ikhwell, I'm charging it again in the OF and it's charging more than previously
20:46:18bertrikn17ikh, actually, if I use an unpowered hub it doesn't get charged very well in the OF
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20:46:59iJasonive gone back to my old iPod 60gb
20:47:05Dark_JackalJust as long as credit is given where credit is due then everything should be fine if I just throw your firmware in as a adaptment for ipods?
20:47:05iJasonthe 160gb is going back
20:47:23Dark_Jackalataptation*
20:47:24BigBambiDark_Jackal: So long as you abide by the GPL
20:47:35iJasonthe iPod Classic 160gb has a much lower headphone output than the iPod 60gb
20:47:38BigBambiDark_Jackal: such as by releasing source if required
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20:48:21*gevaerts recommends just reading the GPL (v2 in this case). It's not _that_ complicated
20:48:30Dark_JackalOh no lol I wasn't going to mod it in anyway. So the firmware source won't be an issue my friend
20:48:31iJasonwhat happeend to ZAgor?
20:48:31Dark_Jackallol
20:48:37n17ikhwell, I've got it plugged directly into a usb port on my laptop, so it's a 500ma port
20:48:51BigBambiDark_Jackal: It will if you release a product containing any GPL code
20:48:51n17ikhand windows identifies it as having asked for it as such
20:49:20iJasonok
20:49:33BigBambiDark_Jackal: As gevaerts says, I'd read the GPL (v2) - it is very strict in what you can and can't do
20:49:34n17ikhdoes it charge up in rockbox now that there's a rudimentary USB stack to ask for full power?
20:49:46n17ikhor is the OF still best for charging
20:49:55BigBambin17ikh: OF
20:50:05Dark_JackalSo I guess it's changed within the last 5 years then
20:50:07Dark_Jackallol
20:50:08Dark_Jackal:X
20:50:13BigBambiDark_Jackal: eh?
20:50:27gevaertsNo. It's just been misunderstood by lots of people who don't read it
20:50:50bertrikn17ikh, it will charge in rockbox, but very slowly (50 mA) and only partially (up to 3.9V)
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20:52:02gevaertsYou shouldn't have any problems actually following the license, but you should really read it first
20:52:22Dark_JackalYou misunderstand me lol. I was going going to link back to your site and have them download from your server. Not actually contain the source in my own project.
20:52:36BigBambiDark_Jackal: that isn't good enough IIUC
20:52:53Dark_JackalIt's just an option for ipod users not a general software requirement
20:52:58gevaertsDepends. If you just download the binaries, and you are non-commercial, that should be fine
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20:53:20*gevaerts re-reads what Dark_Jackal said
20:53:27BigBambiI was assuming he meant he would offer it for download, then point here
20:53:28n17ikhbertrik: I thought they fixed the 50mA issue when they put the usb stuff in
20:53:44gevaertsYou mean you won't actually distribute yourself, just recommend it ?
20:53:47n17ikhor is that an issue with the charging hardware?
20:53:49Dark_JackalExactly
20:53:55BigBambiDark_Jackal: If you meant just point people here, then sorry, I misunderstood
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20:54:09BigBambiDark_Jackal: OK :)
20:54:15Dark_JackalNo worries I am in a hurry so it's my fault too
20:55:06Dark_JackalThat way it also helps given with the release of updates etc
20:55:28Dark_JackalIt's is a free project, don't get me wrong.
20:55:42Dark_JackalBut you never want to rule anything out as a software developer..
20:55:44Dark_JackalYou know?
20:55:51bertrikn17ikh, the problem with charging is not USB, but lack of configuration of the charging controller
20:56:15BigBambiDark_Jackal: out of interest, do you have a lonk for your project?
20:56:22BigBambi*link
20:56:23gevaertsDon't worry. We actually prefer that people get it at rockbox.org. Most other sites have seriously outdated builds
20:56:51gevaertsAnd outdated (and modified) builds are hard to support when the users do end up here
20:57:27Dark_JackalNot as of yet. I will not openly release it until it's fully complete. I've seen people that announce projects then have a 3rd party come in and take it a step further
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20:58:04Dark_JackalBut in the future you will see it on my personal development site I'll pm you a link
20:58:28BigBambiokie dokey
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21:00:01BigBambiDark_Jackal: Actually, I suspect you can't as you are unregistered. Not to worry :)
21:00:22Dark_Jackalno worries
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21:04:48przemhbhi all
21:04:50przemhbdoes RB requires something special from AC3 files to be able to play them or should it be able to playback every AC3 file?
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21:06:26preglowafaik, it should play them as it is
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21:06:33preglowac3 files are raw, i think, like mp3
21:07:22przemhbwell I am asking because I have a problem with AC3 playback
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21:09:05gevaertsWhat sort of problems (not that I know anything about this, but...)
21:09:07gevaerts?
21:09:18przemhbI have extracted AC3 files in various ways but I was able to play only 1 from 17 tracks...
21:09:56przemhbAC3, 2-ch, 192kbps
21:10:31przemhbfoobar2000 plays them back fine
21:10:40gevaertsWhat happens if they don't play ?
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21:11:35paulproteusI have a Sansa e260R that only has one partition.
21:11:49paulproteusTherefore, the sansapatcher tool fails to find my Sansa as a valid Sansa.
21:12:06paulproteusI'm pretty sure it's a v2.
21:12:10paulproteusI mean, it's *NOT* a v2!
21:12:33BigBambipaulproteus: does the OF work?
21:12:40BigBambiand have you set it to MSC mode?
21:12:43paulproteusYou mean the Original Firmware?
21:12:46przemhbplayback don't start, RB don't know the format, bitrate, etc and skips every AC3 file (except the 1 it plays)\
21:12:47BigBambiyep
21:12:55paulproteusYeah, it seems to work okay.
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21:13:04paulproteusBigBambi, Linux detects a mass storage device.
21:13:22amiconnprzemhb: Did you/ could you try a sim? Hopefully it will show some helpful debug messages
21:13:24paulproteusI haven't' actually set anything; I have never run the Rhapsody software on a Windows machine, just used it as a drive.
21:13:40paulproteusIt wasn't originally mine, so the previous owner could have done something strange, but he's not extremely technical.
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21:14:02gevaertsIs sansapatcher normally used on the e200R ?
21:14:04paulproteusI just managed to get into the Sansa "16MB FORMAT" mode and ask it to format itself.
21:14:41przemhbamicon: how to turn on debugging info display?
21:15:04Crash91gevaerts: I think there is a different version for the R models.
21:15:07paulproteusgevaerts, The way I read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation , it's necessary.
21:15:14BigBambigevaerts: I believe so
21:15:15paulproteusOh! Wrong tool maybe. (-:
21:15:20amiconnThe sim outputs its debug messages to the console as normal
21:15:31BigBambigevaerts: or nope
21:15:36amiconnAfaik this doesn't work for crosscompiled win32 sims though
21:15:55amiconnIt will work for a linux sim, as well as for a win32 sim compiled under cygwin
21:16:00BigBambipaulproteus: it is e200rpatcher you want, reading that page
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21:17:28paulproteusI've checked out its source and reading its readme
21:17:31paulproteusbrb, shower time (-:
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21:20:54bertrikamiconn: I think you're familiar with the ata_idle_notify. I think there's a fundamental problem with it.
21:21:34bertrikit always registers one-shot events which remove themselves from the list when they are fired, so a call ata_idle_unregister may fail and panic
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21:28:28przemhbamiconn: at the moment I don't have sim complied under cygwin
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21:29:11przemhbonly rasher's precompiled versions
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21:30:03przemhbI will compile it by myself, check debugging output
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21:47:41xqtftqxEverybody, whats some legal roms that work with spectrum emu for rockbox
21:47:51xqtftqxlike homebrew roms
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21:48:27gevaertsNone. The spectrum uses tapes :)
21:48:52xqtftqxok, some apps or whatever you want to call them...
21:49:06linuxstb_Many spectrum tape images can be distributed legally - see http://www.worldofspectrum.org
21:49:46xqtftqxOk, but which ones are playable/usable on rockbox,
21:51:01*pixelma notices that zxbox seems to not appear in the manual :/
21:51:36linuxstb_xqtftqx: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginZXBox - in theory any 48K image should work.
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21:52:27xqtftqxok
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21:58:04xqtftqxAny recomendations on apps and games?
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22:38:42przemhb"cannot exec 'ccl' " - which package should I install to have it ( I use cygwin)?
22:40:35linuxstbThe Rockbox wiki has page describing what packages you need in Cygwin for Rockbox development
22:40:56linuxstbhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment
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22:45:39BenMy iRiver H10 (20gb) has playlists in .pla format on it. Apparently there is/was a converter plugin for Rockbox that would turn them into Rockbox-compatible m3us. Pla2m3u
22:45:42BenAll I can find of it is this though:
22:45:48Benhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/6884?getfile=15186
22:46:01BenI was pointed to it from this:
22:46:02Benhttp://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18695
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22:47:15BenCan I still get this plugin from somewhere? If not, how else can I turn .pla's into .m3u's? There are plenty of converters that go the other way...
22:49:03linuxstbThe plugin is still there (your first link), but you'll need to apply that patch to the Rockbox source code, and compile your own version of Rockbox which includes that plugin.
22:50:09bertrikthe patch still applies, except for the CATEGORIES file
22:50:14BenThat sounds like too much coding for me
22:50:39Bagderwell its only playlist, make a new
22:52:27BenYeah, I guess. What I'm really aiming for is the playlists from WMP11 to be put straight onto the iRiver. Even if I could convert the .wlp format to .m3u, this would be no use on my iRiver because the playlist points to music on my PC harddrive, NOT on the iRiver itself. The file paths are wrong.
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22:52:59BenUsing the original H10 firmware and syncing with WMP11 allows for the playlists to be corrected as they are copied over, but they are also converted to .m3u in the process
22:53:28Ben(not m3u, I meant pla)
22:53:48Bagderrockbox handles badly prefixed paths in playlists
22:53:57bluebrotherwell, applying a patch and building isn't much coding ...
22:54:16BenDepends how clueless to all this you are, I only got Rockbox a week or two ago and I'm still playing
22:54:33BenI was done with compiling when I gave up on Linux
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22:56:42BenBadger: so if I tell WMP11 to make .m3u's instead of .wpl, Rockbox should cope with them copied right over so long as the file structure is vaguely similar?
22:56:50*bluebrother doesn't consider giving up on linux a good idea ;-)
22:56:58BagderBen: yes, I would think so
22:57:04Bennice.
22:57:22bluebrotherRockbox strips leading paths. So you just need the same structure "inside".
22:58:46BenI see, that's sorted out my problem then, I was going about it in quite a convoluted way apparently. Re. linux, I was forced into a choice between a transparent, customisable & secure OS
22:58:55BenOr a working printer and non-obscure software.
22:59:09BenMaybe when I don't rely on my computer for work commitments
22:59:35bluebrotherheh, I know that problems. Still, I don't consider linux obscure ;-)
22:59:42bluebrotherbut this is getting OT now ;)
22:59:50BenTrue. Thanks again
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23:28:35bluebrotherdomonoky: around?
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23:28:44domonokyyes..
23:29:12bluebrotherI was looking a bit after FS #8948. I can reproduce the issue and it seems espeak doesn't like the long path.
23:29:19bluebrotherhave you tried espeak on windows?
23:30:37bluebrothermaybe it would be better to always create the wav and talk files in $TEMP and copy them afterwards
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23:31:57domonokysounds like a good idea, would also improve speed on slow devices...
23:32:05bluebrotheryep.
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23:33:51domonokybut i dont know when i will find time to work on this.. so if you have time, feel free to improve it :-)
23:34:40bluebrotherI just commented on the task to document it. I'm still working on bootloader rework ...
23:35:07bluebrotherunfortunately we have quite a few different installation methods.
23:35:24domonokyjup, and they will get more and more..
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23:35:51bluebrotherhopefully my rework will make that easier to maintain.
23:35:58domonokybut if you have the base ready, you could post a patch, and i will try to fill in other bootloader installs.. if i find time :-)
23:35:59bluebrother(and add new ones)
23:36:11bluebrotherhehe, always this time thingy ;-)
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23:36:49domonokyyes, sadly i have to also work for money :-)
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23:40:23bluebrotherwell, working for money isn't the problem. The problem is the amount of time it requires ;-)
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23:41:56Bagderand the far too much time spent on sleep!
23:42:17moos24 isn't enough unfortunatly, never :)
23:42:25mooshours
23:45:33bluebrother24 hours for sleeping? Wow. I need less ;-)
23:46:51mooshehe :) a day is always too short
23:47:20bluebrotherindeed.
23:47:46*bluebrother has too many unrelated changes in the main source tree :o
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23:56:40dionoeaHum, I get an "uncompatible model" error when using this plugin code http://paste.videolan.org/4188 ? (ipod video 30GB)
23:57:07dionoeaon a fresh install and fresh build configuration
23:57:13dionoeaall the other plugins run fine :/

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