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#rockbox log for 2008-05-27

00:00:13 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb)
00:12:45PaulJamincompatible model usually means the plugin is for a different target
00:13:46dionoeawell it was build in the same make command as all my other working plugins
00:13:47amiconnHmm, that actually sounds like a useful extension for disktidy - cleaning up the mess of the respective OF
00:14:06dionoeai erased all my .rockbox stuff and build directory files to make sure
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00:14:25dionoeaamiconn: yup, especially when you use the apple firmware all the time to get decent USB support :)
00:14:38dionoea(I'm using that plugin as autostart.rock)
00:14:39amiconnI just use emergency disk mode
00:14:45dionoeait's slower
00:14:51amiconnNot on mini G2
00:14:55dionoeaah :)
00:15:48dionoeaanyway, I was wondering if i'm missing some new required include/macro call/something that might scare rockbox when it tries runing the plugin
00:19:21amiconnIn fact I use rockbox usb most of the time; edm for charging and only occasionally for data transfer
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00:20:11amiconnThe drawback is that it only works on the root ports and that there's sometimes a bus reset causing a few seconds delay, but apart from that it's working fine
00:20:34dionoeaI had some partition corruptions a few days ago using the rockbox usb
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00:32:30Xqtftqxguys my gigabeat's hard drive wont show up under My Computer
00:33:01Xqtftqxits in usb mode
00:33:43Xqtftqxand i can see the firmware partion
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01:21:04soapany reason to believe there is line-in on the Sansa dock connector?
01:25:50Shaidthere's a thread about the dock connector for the e200s on ABI. Doesn't mention line in at all.
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01:32:31soapYea, but I was under the impression most knowledge on the hardware capabilities of the Sansas had trickled into the wild through Rockbox.
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02:21:46entropy8hello all, i am using an 80GB ipod video with rockbox Version: r15589-071111 but am having some trouble playing an ogg video file, can someone help?
02:22:28scorchefirst off, you are using a very old version...secondly, rockbox doesnt play "ogg video"
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02:23:21entropy8i see, so 2 questions then, how often should i probably update my version of rockbox? and does rockbox only support mpeg 1 and 2 video?
02:24:42cool_walking_yes, only MPEG1/2 - see PluginMpegplayer wiki page. Update whenever you want - you can keep an eye on the changes and update for new features you like, or just update monthly, or whatever.
02:25:11entropy8thank you cool_walking_ much appreciated
02:25:14scorcheas often as you feel necessary (pay attention to the MajorChanges wiki page, however when asking for support, make sure you are running the current build....and he answered the second question
02:25:35entropy8thanks to you also scorche
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02:31:17HP_AdministratorHello
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02:35:26krazykithello
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02:52:17AmonBhi everyone
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03:24:03LloreanIs "assume no format tag = soundtracker" the right way to solve the soundtracker problem?
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04:24:00iamabplein quickscreen, pressing 'UP' doesn't select previous value. Isn't it a bug?
04:24:30JdGordon|uniyep
04:29:15iamabpleokay, but QS_UP is not yet implemented, so i felt weird that 'Down' and 'Up' does the same thing.
04:38:08iamabpleand one more thing:in option_select,c, option_select_next_val() seems to call a callback with an old value..
04:38:23iamabpledoesn't seems to causing a bug, but..
04:39:40JdGordon|uniwhich callback?
04:40:17*JdGordon|uni needs to check the code... will do that tonight maybe
04:40:50iamabpleoption_callback, when 'apply' is true
04:41:52LloreanJdGordon|uni: Up is supposed to leave the quickscreen.
04:41:57LloreanNot select the previous value.
04:42:10LloreanWell, it depends on target, at least
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04:46:58saratoga2who should i be talking to about questions with how the sim actually works?
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05:31:03JdGordon|unisaratoga2: depends on which part...
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05:41:51saratoga2JdGordon|uni: I'm not really sure what parts of the firmware folder get replaced by the stuff in uisimulator
05:42:00saratoga2its not really clear to me how all of this fits together
05:42:52JdGordon|unithe Makefile is probabl;y the best place to start.. that will at least show the obviously non sim files...
05:43:39Dhraakelliancoming up on 11h30, give or take. Almost done with the second symphony of the second pass through the 10-symphony, 10h05 playlist
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05:56:26saratoga2Dhraakellian: thats for what?
05:56:43Dhraakellianbattery runtime test, q6 Vorbis
05:56:49JdGordon|union what?
05:56:54Dhraakellianah, right
05:56:57Dhraakelliansansa e200
05:57:10JdGordon|unishould get little over 12 on a e200
05:57:24JdGordon|uniactually.. 13 if your lucky
05:57:34JdGordon|unigoingg by my tests a while ago :p
05:57:47Dhraakellianhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaRuntime
05:57:55Dhraakelliansays something a bit longer, iirc
05:58:28saratoga2did you get a chance to do the OF?
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05:58:57JdGordon|unicrikey.. 20h!
05:59:03*JdGordon|uni must have done it ages ago
05:59:04Dhraakellianan e280 got 15-18h in late January using q8
05:59:19DhraakellianJdGordon|uni: but that's with FLAC
05:59:30JdGordon|unitrue
05:59:32Dhraakellianand, iirc, FLAC has the reputation of being extremely fast
05:59:42DhraakellianVorbis, notsomuch
05:59:45saratoga2the slow mp3 decoder on arm hurts battery life quite a bit on flash targets
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06:00:21Dhraakelliansaratoga2: so you think I'll get shorter runtime when I do the V2 test?
06:00:31saratoga2yes
06:00:45Dhraakellianhmm... actually, V2 might well be higher bitrate than q6 anyway
06:00:48saratoga2something like 2.4ma extra or so to decode V2 verses 200kbps Vorbis
06:00:55Dhraakellianin terms of ABR, at least
06:01:05saratoga2vorbis is getting close to running unboosted on PP
06:01:11Dhraakellian*blink*
06:01:14Dhraakellianunboosted?
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06:01:58Dhraakellianshould I upgrade to the latest version of the OF for the comparison with the V2?
06:02:22saratoga2if you want
06:02:26saratoga2i doubt it makes a big difference
06:03:06saratoga2i'd actually expect vorbis to give better results then a comparable bitrate mp3 in the retail firmware
06:03:39Dhraakellianand it looks like the OF actually has shorter battery life even for the same mp3 settings
06:03:42Dhraakellianfrom the chart
06:03:55DhraakellianI decided to leave replaygain off
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06:04:26Dhraakellianand -25dB really isn't well suited to environments with much noise at all
06:04:34saratoga2replaygain isn't going to do anything
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06:04:45DhraakellianI wouldn't want to listen to this outside
06:04:59Dhraakellianso volume has little to no effect on battery life, then?
06:05:23JdGordon|uniit might have a tiny unmeasurable effect...
06:05:27Dhraakellianthe only non-default setting I have is that scrobbling was enabled
06:05:35Dhraakellianon a flash-based player
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06:05:43Acamohello?
06:05:48JdGordon|uniscrobbling will cause a bit more disk activity, but again, on flash, not much probably
06:05:51Dhraakelliangood to know about volume, though
06:06:04saratoga2i think the DAC uses something like 2 ma when i tested
06:06:12saratoga2though i didn't try adjusting the volume
06:06:38Acamocan i bug some one on the IRC with a question?
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06:06:46DhraakellianI figured that since the battery bench plugin was writing out to the flash every so often, a little scrobbling wouldn't hurt much more
06:06:57JdGordon|uniAcamo: dont ask to ask... just ask
06:06:57saratoga2i guess in theory it can probably use a fair amoutn more, since they claim 2x 40mw amps
06:07:13Acamook
06:07:26JdGordon|uniDhraakellian: you modified batt bench to work right?
06:07:37JdGordon|uniits bugged on flash targets
06:07:43saratoga2i think thats fixed now
06:08:00JdGordon|unioh?
06:08:02Acamoim trying to use the ipodpatcher to patch the bootloader so i can boot rock box but it keeps telling me that it cannot find the ipod
06:08:08DhraakellianJdGordon|uni: I didn't actually make any changes, given that there's a suggestion on the bug report that it be closed
06:08:16JdGordon|uniok then
06:08:19JdGordon|uniAcamo: which ipod?
06:08:27Acamo5g black ipod video
06:08:32Acamo80g
06:08:44scorche`Acamo: are you sure it is not a classic?
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06:08:56Dhraakellian"2008-04-11: A task closure has been requested. Reason for request: i think, that my batt_bench_v3 patch solves problem and also improves working under other (hdd based too) devices" −− http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8070
06:09:04Acamoprety sure
06:09:35Acamoclasic didn't have video play back, and ive been watchign futurama on mine
06:09:51saratoga2classic is the new ipod, and yes it supports video
06:10:00saratoga2look on apple's website and figure out which one you have
06:10:01JdGordon|uniDhraakellian: that closrure request is an odd way of saying "commit me.." its not saying the bug is fixed
06:10:13Acamooh well i will try that
06:10:19DhraakellianJdGordon|uni: ah, okay.
06:10:30scorcheAcamo: does it looks like this? http://www.sakavan.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/ipod-classic-dimensions.jpg
06:10:44DhraakellianJdGordon|uni: well, at the worst, I'll have to sit through yet another day of Bruckner symphonies
06:10:53Dhraakellianoh. poor. me.
06:10:54JdGordon|uni:)
06:11:06Acamoyes it looks exactly liek that,
06:11:24saratoga2then i guess you don't have a 5G
06:11:24scorchethen it is not a 5g...it is a 6g otherwise known as the classic
06:11:38Acamohmm
06:11:51DhraakellianJdGordon|uni: even if it is still affected by the bug, the battery benchmark will still give the total runtime, will it not?
06:12:05JdGordon|uninot sure...
06:12:07saratoga2i wonder if ipodpatcher could be made to say "this is an ipod classic, don't ask for help"
06:12:18scorchesaratoga2: it would be nice...
06:12:20JdGordon|unidoes the newer ipods all have different usb id's?
06:12:39Acamoso then there is no hope of me getting rockbox or even ipodlinux onto it
06:12:47JdGordon|unibingo
06:12:54JdGordon|uniwell.. not any time soon
06:12:55scorcheAcamo: not now, at least
06:13:04Acamothat realy blows
06:13:10Dhraakelliandonate it to a willing developer?
06:13:15JdGordon|uniAcamo: wait a sec though... you on linux?
06:13:22Acamoxubuntu
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06:13:41JdGordon|uniAcamo: can you do sudo lsusb and show us the line for the ipod?
06:13:55Acamosudo lsusb
06:13:59Acamook i will
06:15:44Acamohere we go| Bus 002 Device 015: ID 05ac:1261 Apple Computer,Inc.
06:16:02JdGordon|uniok, thanks
06:16:09JdGordon|unithats definatly a classic...
06:16:16*JdGordon|uni found the wiki page he was after
06:16:40Acamoare you guys developers?
06:16:43JdGordon|unianyone else think ipodpatcher should say something like "an apple device has been found, but its not a known device, which means its not supported"
06:17:03JdGordon|uniyes
06:17:14krazykitthat sounds like a useful message
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06:17:43Acamo"abandone hope of installign rockbox now and dont waste the rest of the day trying to fix it" would be a bit more fittign for me
06:17:49JdGordon|unisaratoga2: ha, just saw you suggested the same thing :)
06:17:56Dhraakellianheh.
06:18:13*Dhraakellian really wouldn't have minded rockbox on teh soufflé
06:18:34saratoga2does ipod patcher really check the usbids?
06:18:46saratoga2i thought it was based on reading hte file system
06:19:06Dhraakellianany devs out there who would want to work on a port to the old 0.5GB iPod Shuffles if only they actually had one?
06:19:30DhraakellianI still haven't quite decided what to do with teh Soufflé, now that I replaced it with the Sansa
06:19:30JdGordon|unisaratoga2: i'm not sure about ipod/sansa patcher, but rbutil does go of usb ids
06:19:37JdGordon|unipatchers could also
06:19:45krazykitDhraakellian, as i recall, the shuffles are based on the sigmatel SOC, which does not have a free compiler
06:19:52Dhraakellianah, okay
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06:20:10Dhraakellianhmm
06:20:15JdGordon|unimind you, shuffles would be an interesting target... 100% voice driven
06:20:15Igbothommorn/evening all
06:20:24Dhraakellianyeah
06:20:37Dhraakellianwhich is why I really wouldn't have minded having rockbox on the thing
06:20:44Igbothomhave an issue with a Sansa E260 not wanting to boot back to the original firmware, therefore cannot ad/remove songs
06:20:52Acamoso how coudl i help in posibly ading support for the clasic?
06:20:55Dhraakelliankrazykit: same with the new ones?
06:21:10JdGordon|uniIgbothom: whats the problem? fades to white/black?
06:21:21JdGordon|uniAcamo: break the encryption, reverse engineer the OF
06:21:22saratoga2Igbothom: check the wiki page for e200, theres instructions on how to fix a broken retail firmware
06:21:58krazykitDhraakellian, if the new ones are different, i'd guess they're using the samsung SOC like the classics and nanos, but this is just speculation. i'd think the correct information is floating around somewhere
06:22:18Igbothomjdgordon|uni and saratoga2 thanks - looking on the wiki now
06:22:51DhraakellianDoesn't Cowon also make a screenless player? I think I've seen a couple of my friends with little yellow things.
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06:28:17Acamoi will keep this user name goign to sleep now have work to do
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07:26:53lobfhey there
07:27:25lobfcan anyone tell me why this thing has to catalogue my entire library whenever i select a song on shuffle?
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07:28:02lobflike, i want it to shuffle through my library, but if i think of a song i want to hear, i want it to play right then, not after it counts 6700 other songs
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07:29:20JdGordonit doesnt...
07:29:50lobfwhat have i done then?
07:30:40JdGordonim not sure... youve got the database enabled, but I'm not really sure what your issue is
07:31:45lobfperhaps i'll ask the forum
07:31:54lobfyou have any idea at all?
07:32:56JdGordonyeah, your doing it wrong.... if you just want to ad a song to the playlist hold select on the song and go playlist > queue/insert next
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07:33:57lobfi was just selecting from my tracks menu
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07:34:37JdGordonyes, doing that creates a new playlist and starts playng the track you selected
07:34:45JdGordonthats why its scanning the files
07:35:28lobfah
07:35:57lobfokay, but because of that you have to choose what you want to listen to beforehand if you don't want big pauses between songs
07:36:02lobfor you can do party mode
07:36:06lobfright?
07:36:08BigBambino
07:36:16BigBambiJdGordon> yeah, your doing it wrong.... if you just want to ad a song to the playlist hold select on the song and go playlist > queue/insert next
07:36:42lobfi read that...
07:36:49BigBambiso do that then
07:37:11lobfdo i add my entire library to a playlist?
07:37:19BigBambiif you like
07:37:19JdGordonno..
07:37:27lobfbecause i want it to play through my whole library until i select a song specifically
07:37:37lobfer, shuffle through my library
07:37:42BigBambilobf: whenever you are listening to music you are using a playlist
07:38:08lobfdo you understand what i'm trying to do?
07:38:35BigBambilisten to everything shuffled then go to t apsecific song
07:38:47lobfyes
07:38:58BigBambithere you go then
07:39:45lobfgoodness, i was totally reading that wrong
07:39:48lobfsorry, i see now
07:40:25lobfoh, the battery's on it's last legs, but i'm playing it plugged into the computer and it keeps shutting off from low battery
07:44:10lobfeven though it's plugged in
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07:56:19theFATMANcan i install rockbox on a sony walkman? model# NWZ S16F
07:57:08JdGordonno
07:59:12theFATMANJdGordon, in the future?
07:59:33JdGordonwho knows?
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08:47:13rph'ello all
08:47:24markunhi
08:48:14rphwas just prowling for a cool / helpful indie rock community, mind if i chill here for a while and watch whats said?
08:49:15markunwell, this has nothing to do with indie rock ;) Look at http://www.rockbox.org/
08:50:00rphahh im really sorry, i saw this channel on another site and they aluded to it maybe im just wrong, ty anyway mark
08:50:07markunand if you just want to chat a bit please go to #rockbox-community
08:50:14markunalthough it's pretty quiet right now
08:50:16markunno problem
08:50:20rphtake care
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10:07:22B4gderwe should proceed to get rooms booked for devcon
10:09:30markunB4gder: hotel rooms or conference?
10:09:40B4gderhotel
10:11:58B4gderit seems we're 7 people interested to "band together on a cheap hostel"
10:14:29markunlast time I stayed in a place called Pegasus Hostel
10:15:42*petur nods
10:16:41B4gderI submitted a query on citystay.de just now
10:17:16LloreanI'm preferring to find a single room for myself, but I'd like to try to book it somewhere where other people are staying (if reasonably possible) since I'm not familiar at all with the city and might find it a little easier this way.
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10:31:31MTeeHello!
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10:34:14MTeeisn't there a 'seek' function in the mpeg player ?
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10:34:23LloreanYes.
10:36:50MTeehas it been implemented recently ? coz I installed rockbox about 5-7 months ago :)
10:37:16B4gder5-7months is a loooong time in rockbox land
10:37:55*gevaerts can't even remember anything that happened in rockbox that long ago
10:38:31MTee:D .. just noticed how long actually it is while writing .. !!
10:38:32crash91MTee: You might want to check here to see what the major updates were http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges
10:38:44B4gderI believe it was around that time the wheel was invented
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10:39:36MTeeemm .. maybe I just can't remember exactly when I installed it .. but I remember doing an impressive update
10:40:20MTeeanyways .. another quick ques .. do you need to know embedded programming to develop rockbox or just C ?
10:40:57gevaertsdefine "embedded programming" :)
10:41:20cool_walking_That's a trick question, it has a space in it!
10:41:30Dhraakellian 2008-02-10: Improved power management on PortalPlayer targets (iPods, Sansas, H10, etc...), resulting in increased battery life.
10:41:57Dhraakellianso I'm guessing that means my battery test that I'm running right now will likely be much better than the ones listed on the wiki?
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10:42:57gevaertsBut seriously, rockbox is over 95% c, and you can basically ignore the rest for most things. The "embedded" bit is basically just being careful to write non-bloated code
10:43:28MTeegevaerts, cool_walking : can't answer this ques. :) .. I can however say that I know C .. so do you recommend any further reading/learning ?
10:43:41Dhraakellianif such is the case, given that I'm somewhere around 16h25 right now, I think I'd better just go to bed and not try to wait up for it to finish
10:44:27gevaertsDhraakellian: do you mean just listening to the music isn't worth staying awake for ? ;)
10:44:45yeahxthats actually what I got up for, but I cant get in the mood
10:44:52Dhraakelliangevaerts: it's on the second pass through the playlist
10:45:26Dhraakelliangranted, I did doze off a bit this afternoon/evening and miss a couple of the symphonies the first time round
10:45:41Dhraakellianbut still, it's 4:45 here
10:46:29gevaertsMTee: the main things are : cooperative threading, (sometimes) slow CPUs, no malloc(), and people shout at you if you waste RAM
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10:47:43DhraakellianI'd like to be in bed (and sleeping) before the sun comes up, and at about 16h30 now, even if I only get 18 hours out of the charge, that still puts me into daylight territory
10:48:18gevaertsOk, good night :)
10:48:29Dhraakelliang'night/morning
10:49:10MTeegecaerts : I see .. from what you said it's obvious that I still need to know a little bit more to start developing :D .. so is there a book/tutorial or something alike to refer to ? ..
10:50:21B4gderMTee: dive in, try to write your own plugin. Then you'll see and learn where you don't understand or know enough.
10:50:34*gevaerts agrees with B4gder
10:52:15MTeepretty much reasonable .. ok then I will .. just after those darn finals end :S .. I'll go now, exam starts in 2hours! wish me luck :(
10:52:39gevaertsI seriously doubt if anyone here learned this "embedded programming" thing from a book or a tutorial
10:52:44gevaertsgood luck :)
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10:59:16*petur didn't even have C at school, just cobol, pascal and crap like that
10:59:52*petur quotes Manuel 'I learned it from a book'
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11:10:39crash91How do I install SDL (for the sims)?
11:12:05markunfor which OS?
11:12:45crash91Ubuntu
11:13:13markuncan't you find it in the package manager?
11:14:21crash91would this be it? libsdl1.2debian - Simple DirectMedia Layer
11:14:43markunyes, sounds like it
11:15:20crash91there's also -all, -alsa, -esound and -oss, should I get -all?
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11:16:05markunI don't really know, but you could try that.
11:17:18crash91It still says i dont have it installed. I'll try checking in synaptic instead of using apt-cahce
11:17:22crash91cache&
11:18:10crash91Aha, found it in the wiki, you need libsdl-dev
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11:37:54JdGordoncrash91: apt-get install sdl-dev
11:37:59JdGordonlibsdl-dev*
11:38:07JdGordoncrash91: apt-get install libsdl-dev
11:38:25crash91JdGordon: Thanks, I did that :)
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12:11:51BagderCityStay.de has an 8 bed room we can get for ~20 euros/person per night
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12:13:55petursounds reasonable
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12:14:38BagderI think so too
12:14:55peturthat is probably w/o breakfast?
12:15:01Bagderyes
12:15:10Bagder"We also offer a healthy breakfast with organic bread and milk for 4 euros"
12:15:47gevaertsWhat else ?
12:15:55*gevaerts doesn't want _only_ bread and milk
12:15:57Bagderit doesn't say
12:16:37peturor we can have it together at the devcon place if possible (found that very enjoyable last time)
12:16:45markunBagder: the 8 to 10 bed rooms here are 13 euro: http://www.pegasushostel.de/en/prices.html
12:17:47BagderI wonder how that compares in regard to location/proximity to the devcon place
12:18:35peturif DerPapst also stays there we have two cars to transport everybody
12:18:49Bagderah true
12:18:51JdGordon$10 for bread and milk!!!
12:19:20Bagderbut he's not on the list atm
12:19:28gevaertshttp://maps.google.be/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=Str.+der+Pariser+Kommune+35,+berlin&daddr=Schicklerstr.+5-7,+D-10179+Berlin&sll=50.805935,4.432983&sspn=2.461226,5.767822&ie=UTF8&z=15
12:19:29LloreanAnyone know what packages I need to build the manual these days?
12:19:56peturwow, that hostel is very close to devcon location
12:20:18Bagder2.4km is indeed not a lot
12:20:22*petur had just entered the stuff in maps...
12:23:10gevaertshttp://maps.google.be/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=Str.+der+Pariser+Kommune+35,+berlin&daddr=Schicklerstr.+5-7,+D-10179+Berlin+to:Rosenstra%C3%9Fe+16,10178+Berlin&mra=pi&mrcr=1&sll=52.51627,13.428585&sspn=0.018516,0.045061&ie=UTF8&ll=52.517892,13.421946&spn=0.018515,0.045061&z=15 also has the citistay one
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12:24:37Bagderok, I've mailed pegasus to see if there's room
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12:25:58markunit's a hostel, so don't expect a lot of luxury
12:26:16Bagder:-)
12:26:20gevaertsWhat ? No room service and minibar with champagne ?
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12:28:42markunnot like the room petur and I had in sweden :)
12:29:10markunalthough sleeping on a sofa in the office was just as nice :)
12:29:23peturhey, we had a pool table in our 'room'
12:30:42peturpegasus doesn't mention any rules like at what times you can enter/leave
12:31:36*petur takes that back - 24 hours reception :)
12:32:27peturimpressive: http://www.pegasushostel.de/en/hostel/service.html
12:33:18petur'Free internet access' - we can have devcon in the room :)
12:33:39Bagderhehe
12:33:53peturlunch time....
12:34:02gevaertsDo they allow solder work in the rooms ?
12:35:27Bagderisn't soldering irons included in the service?
12:36:40JdGordon_irons for clothes I tihnk you'll find...
12:36:54gevaertsThose aren't hot enough :)
12:38:15crash91Just curious, when I run the simulator, it says "Looking for album art for <file> and then "Album art found: cover.bmp", it prints the same message 6 times, but why would it do the check six times?
12:38:57JdGordon_different locations and filenames
12:39:07JdGordon_the AA wiki page says the order it looks for
12:39:24crash91Oh, like cover.80x80.bmp
12:39:30JdGordon_yes
12:40:04crash91Shouldn't it terminate the loop when it finds the most suitable bitmap?
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12:40:59crash91Nvm..that was a stupid question.
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13:10:13Haos32Does somebody know where I can find a compiler for ColdFire 5249(it's used in iriver players). I found a link on rockbox.org but it doesn't work :(. Also i didn't find anyting useful with google
13:11:55Bagdergcc is fine
13:12:01markunHaos32: we have a tool in the rockbox source tree to build such a crosscompiler
13:12:01Bagderwe use it all the time
13:13:12petur'all the time' ?
13:13:24markunHaos32: I'll look it up for you, but my browser is not cooperating
13:13:34*gevaerts almost never uses gcc while sleeping
13:13:50Bagderwe being more than one you know
13:14:02*petur last ran rockboxdev.sh about a year ago
13:14:18markunHaos32: here it is: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/tools/rockboxdev.sh?revision=17636&content-type=text%2Fplain
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13:14:35Bagderpetur: I spoke of gcc for coldfire
13:15:04petur:p
13:16:39*gevaerts still isn't convinced. Who exactly is this "we" then ?
13:19:50JdGordonis there any reason we dont have an option to turn off the LCD after some time (or have I missed it?) fine on mono targets you can sometimes read the screen without the backlight... but who cares about it updating while its in your pocket?
13:22:47peturI think somebody tried this and found the battery time gain to be almost none. Don't know what was disabled then (maybe just the LCD, not the paint code)
13:24:56markunaccording to kkurbjun there was quite a difference on the gigabeat
13:25:11markunbut maybe it depends on the LCD panel
13:25:11peturoh...
13:25:54peturmust be, unless the codec you use to test needs to boost
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13:37:54panodoes anyone know a guide guideline to compile rockbox yourself on ubuntu? The one on the rockbox site doesn't help me
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13:39:21LloreanThe one on the Rockbox site should have enough information. Where are you stuck?
13:39:25PaulJamwhich one did you follow? i found the SimpleGuideToCompiling quite useful.
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13:43:05markunpano: still there?
13:43:14panoyeah
13:43:35markunso, which guide did you look at? The SimpleGuideToCompiling?
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13:43:58markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
13:43:59panoone moment please i'll see my bookmarks^^
13:44:02markunok
13:44:13markunah wait, windows only :)
13:45:13markunThis should be a better place to start: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide
13:45:59panoyeah i tried the first one, thats where i have problem
13:46:45panoah ok thanks the second link seems to be what i am looking for^^
13:46:48panothx!
13:48:05markunTo build the crosscompiler with our tool you first need to download the source, so maybe that page could be rearanged a little bit
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13:49:07panoi will try that one later at home
13:49:26markunok, good luck
13:49:28panoi hope i will do everything right
13:49:31pano^^
13:49:43markunAre you planning to work on rockbox or just to apply some patched?
13:49:46markunpatches
13:50:38panoi wanted to compile my own rockbox build with some patches
13:51:04panobecause most prebuild rockbox build are really bloated with patches i don't really need
13:51:48panowould compiling it with less patches speed rockbox up a little?
13:52:01markundepends on the patches
13:52:43panoi guess i will try it and see the results^^
13:54:54panowell anyway thanks for your help
13:55:01panobye
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16:33:31cheebzalright guys i got a serious problem here
16:34:12cheebzi plugged in my sansa e280 while it was in rockbox like a dumbass and now it says data abort at 0154001C (1)
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16:34:23cheebzand will not turn off, or do anything
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16:35:51advcomp2019cheebz, have you tried using the reset(hold power up to about 30 seconds)
16:36:01cheebzmm not that long
16:36:20cheebztrying
16:36:43cheebzyep worked
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16:36:48cheebzthanks advcomp2019!
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17:14:49Dhraakelliandang. battery benchmark is worthless
17:14:50Dhraakellianhmm
17:15:29Dhraakellianwell, I can at least check the .scrobbler.log to get a more general idea
17:17:04markunwhat went wrong with the battery benchmark?
17:17:12Dhraakellianso between 18h21 and 18h48
17:17:18Dhraakellianflash-based player
17:17:26markunwhich player?
17:17:28Dhraakellianno drive spin-up to watch for
17:17:39Dhraakellian(if I'm understanding the issue correctly)
17:17:42Dhraakelliane260
17:17:49DhraakellianI guess it did need to be patched afterall
17:18:34markunI don't really undestand what the problem is, but hopefully people working on the sansa know what's going on
17:18:56markundo you know the runtime you can get with the OF?
17:19:16Dhraakellianhaven't timed it yet
17:19:28Dhraakelliannow with OF, you have to manually time it, right?
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17:19:52gevaertsYou could connect it to the line in of a PC and record
17:19:59markun:)
17:20:02Dhraakellianah
17:20:08markungevaerts: nice idea
17:20:24markunand then just look for the silence at the end
17:20:55Dhraakellianhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SandiskE200BatteryMeasurements
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17:28:12toffe82Dose somebody going to the devcon euro intersted in working on the gogear hdd6330 (to dump the bootloader and find the key), I can send one via scorche
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17:28:56toffe82I don't have time to do :)
17:30:09markunI should spend my time on the meizu
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17:31:58toffe82who is the specialist of the mi4 format, Bagder are you interested ?
17:34:31markunWhich target is LinusN going to work on? :)
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17:51:03yorky501does rockbox reduce the functionality of ipods output port i.e using docking stations or fm transmitters etc?
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17:51:53markunI see that ffmpeg now has a git repository which is automatically synced with svn, maybe we could do something like that too?
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17:53:04LambdaCalculus37yorky501: Read this... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories
17:53:45scorche|shfirst off, it doesnt reduce anything...it is a complete replacement so any "reductions" are a case of something not implemented yet....secondly, some functionalities will work, while others will not...this is due to us outputting through the line out and not having a proper serial or AAP implementation yet
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17:56:18yorky501cool thanks for that
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18:06:49low_lighttoffe82: I'm making progress on the hdd1630
18:07:05LambdaCalculus37low_light: How's it looking so far?
18:08:01low_lightgot the BL & mi4 key. If I have time this afternoon, I should have a basic lcd driver
18:08:21LambdaCalculus37low_light: Nice! Good luck! :)
18:09:29toffe82low_light: I wish my wife and kids let me more time ;)
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18:10:10luisbghello all
18:10:28luisbgI wanted to know how much work would be involved in porting rockbox to the ipod classic
18:10:40toffe82low_light: I tried to install rockboon the sa9200, I installed the bootloader but after, how do you install the rockbox files ?
18:10:48toffe82rockbox ^^
18:12:29LambdaCalculus37luisbg: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
18:13:03low_lighttoffe82: make a normal build, rename rockbox.mi4 to FWImage.ebn and install that via recovery mode. It will reboot into Rockbox, and complain about not finding .rockbox. Plug in USB.
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18:13:20low_lightthen copy the .rockbox/ directory
18:13:50toffe82in the 16mb partition ?
18:14:29low_lightNo, with rockbox running, you'll get a mass storage device
18:14:51luisbgLambdaCalculus37, I was wondering why it was undeveloped... it seams the hardware is very different to the rest (which is ironic)
18:14:56toffe82ok, I was building the bootloader
18:15:08luisbgI have some education in electronics but very little in assembler
18:15:12luisbgI wonder if I could pull it off
18:15:24LambdaCalculus37No one's stopping you from trying.
18:15:26toffe82I will try again
18:15:33low_lighttoffe82: the bootloader doesn't do much until it figure out how to get it to coexist with the OF for dual boot
18:15:51toffe82ok
18:16:56toffe82low_light: if nobody want to try the hdd6330 at the devcon, would you like to have it to try ?
18:20:30low_lighttoffe82: I can send you the bootloader I used to dump the 1630. It *should* work with the 6330 too.
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18:30:44case_hi there
18:31:28case_how can i find which generation of iPod (nano?) the device I have on my desk is ?
18:31:34toffe82low_light: yes, I can try
18:32:30scorche|shcase_: google for pictures?...also, apple has a page somewhere
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18:33:21case_ha, it's a 1gb, it should be a 1st gen nano...
18:34:03case_looks like that : http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353#ipodnano
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18:36:19mcuelenaerewhat would you guys buy for a new Rockbox target? a touchscreen DAP (keeping in mind Rockbox doesn't have rather good touchscreen support) or a similar (cheaper) DAP (with the same chipset) without the touchscreen but with pretty unhandy buttons (regarding button placement)? I really can't decide..
18:36:33case_ok, seems to be a good target for rockbox then :) i know what i'll do tonight :)
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18:47:46toffe82low_light: email me the bootloader ;)
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18:49:16bluebrotherwhat was the indication for a sansa v2? "Plays for sure"?
18:49:30n1saudible support iirc
18:50:06LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: Audible support and a 03.XX.XX firmware.
18:50:30bluebrotherok, thanks. I knew about the firmware version but I can't see that from the picture ;-)
18:50:58LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: Buying one online? :)
18:51:15bluebrotherjust browsing ebay. Missed a c200 sunday :(
18:52:06DhraakellianI'd just keep an eye on woot.com
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18:53:46bluebrotherthey don't ship to outside the US unfortunately
18:53:58Dhraakellianthey had an e280 last week and an e260 a little over a month—ah
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18:55:15Dhraakelliannevermind me, then... !;)
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19:05:47bertrikJdGordon, I have a question about unregister_ata_idle_func, are you around?
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19:06:00bluebrotherdomonoky: what's the point in keeping the wave files used for talkfile generation?
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19:08:07domonokyhm, i think i just copied all options from the normal voice script.. but its usefull for debugging problems :-)
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19:13:01bluebrotherwell, when fixing the long filename bug I thought about removing it −− for debugging we can still enable it in the source
19:13:24bluebrothermaybe add a "extended" or "debug-enabled" configuration?
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19:13:38bluebrotherI don't think it's useful for most users
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19:14:36domonokyjup, it could be removed..
19:17:11bluebrotherdomonoky: seen this thread? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17022.0;topicseen
19:19:01domonokyi havent seen this thread, but i know the problem.. unfortunatly i dont know whats wrong. All cutoff files i have decode fine with rbspeexdec, they are only cutoff in rockbox (target and sim) ..
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19:35:21Bagderpegasus hostel has an 8 bed room available still at least
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19:40:28gevaertsI'd say go for it. We have seven names on the room-sharing list, so that one is almost guaranteed to be full
19:40:50Bagderyeah, I'll proceed with the booking later tonight
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19:43:27scorche|shdo they have an internet connection?
19:43:37Bagderyes
19:44:10Bagder"Free internet access"
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19:56:55shotofaddsanybody mind if I tweak the RGB colours used by zxbox? the current colours are really nothing like an actual Spectrum, and it's a simple fix
19:57:51LambdaCalculus37Sure, go for it. :)
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19:58:31*LambdaCalculus37 thinks that zxbox on the Gigabeat models should be rotated 90 degrees; he's going to have a look at that when he gets a chance
19:59:35*shotofadds is rather impressed by zxbox on the D2. needs some changes for the touchscreen, but performance is good :)
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20:01:30shotofaddsI'm not sure whether to bother posting a patch for this: in zx_vid_16bpp.c, change N1 to 0xC0 and B0 to 0x00, and {0x15, 0x15, 0x15} to {0,0,0}. Bingo!
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20:01:47shotofaddszxvid_16bpp.c, even
20:02:27shotofaddsbtw. these are the colours used by FUSE (free unix spectrum emulator)
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20:06:25fmlHello. I use cygwin under WinXP. Is the compiler package for coldfire avalable at http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin up to date?
20:07:36fml I once gor a warning that I have 3.4.5 but the recommended version is 3.4.6
20:07:57scorche|shBagder: heh...they even seem to have a conference room
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20:10:07n1sfml: afaik it should work ok
20:10:32fmln1s: it works, yes. I just was confused because of the warning.
20:10:49*n1s hopes the gcc bug he found will be fixed before 4.4...
20:11:09n1sfml: well, it is not the recommended version
20:12:15fmlThere are two patches: FS #9034 and FS #9043. Combined, they would result in a good thing IMHO
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20:14:00fmln1s: why is it available as a part of the official rockbox package then?
20:14:15n1sbecause no one has made a newer package
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20:15:28Lars_GI think I know the response to this but I ask anyhow
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20:15:56Lars_Gdoes the sansa e200 lack the phisical phone plugedness sensor, or is it a software lack?
20:16:22fmlLars_G: I think it it was available rockbox would use it
20:16:34fmlSo I conclude it's just not there
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20:19:23bertrikI think the as3514 built into the sansas can actually detect a headphone, but it can only detect plugin, not plugout
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20:43:21Seldaekany idea whether the ipod video 60/80gb rockbox version works on the ipod120gb ?
20:43:36Seldaek160gb sorry
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20:45:33scorche|shthe front page will tell you
20:46:17Seldaekahr, right, thanks
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20:46:42Seldaekany idea when it might be supported?
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20:47:29zeno_if i brick my phone (cowon d2) trying to flash it, is it possible to fix?
20:47:48zeno_s/phone/mp3player :)
20:47:50scorche|sherrrr...how do you use a d2 as a phone?
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20:48:05shotofaddsI've yet to see anyone successfully brick a D2
20:48:31shotofaddsbut yeah, you can recover from bad flashes using tcctool
20:48:46zeno_good, thanks
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20:49:30*shotofadds wonders whether to commit that zxbox change and see if anyone notices...
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20:55:18NET||abusehey guys, i have an old creative zen 8GB (microphoto is the model name)
20:55:34NET||abuseany chance there's a rock box version for it? i don't see on the current builds page
20:55:39LambdaCalculus37Nope.
20:55:52NET||abuseoh :( damn
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20:56:00LambdaCalculus37No one is working on a port for it.
20:56:20NET||abuseno demand?
20:56:31LambdaCalculus37No, just no one working on it.
20:56:46LambdaCalculus37The only "demand" comes from the owner of a device.
20:56:47LambdaCalculus37http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
20:56:58LambdaCalculus37And that's because it's the owner of the device that does the dirty work.
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20:58:42NET||abuseahh, ok
20:58:47NET||abusejust reading that,
20:59:08NET||abuseis there a page up about each model at all? As in, is there a way to check if anyone has done any of the work at all before?
20:59:27LambdaCalculus37There's this: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus
20:59:58LambdaCalculus37But seriously, if you want a port that badly, be prepared to do a *lot* of hard work to make that port happen.
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21:04:01NET||abuseok, i can see a few zen entries there, but, not sure where to look, ok, i'll spend time researching and see where this one is at, if at all..
21:04:03NET||abusethanks for the pointers
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21:53:03pixelmaso the Devcon participants who want to stay in a hostel decided on the "Pegasus Hostel"?
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21:55:01scorche|shi think it was more an executive decision because no one else chose anything
21:57:13pixelmathat's on the way amiconn has to drive from his home to Devcon place... (probably mine too)
21:57:38pixelmanot from my home but the place I'll stay in Berlin
21:57:48scorche|shi take it that this is a good thing?
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21:58:46pixelmayeah, guess we can take another 2-3 people with us if necessary (but amiconn has the last word on this - he's the car driver :P )
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22:00:23scorche|shany pubs nearby the hostel? ;)
22:00:45pixelmano idea (yet)
22:01:58scorche|shi see there is a place inside the hostel, but no clue on how that is
22:03:17pixelmaI think you'll find at least some along the "Karl-Marx-Allee", the next big street in northern direction
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22:05:09Poison4hello, does anyone know if there is an sdk for rockbox to make .rock files?
22:05:45*domonoky is fine with this hostel..
22:05:46Bagderyes
22:05:49Bagderthat would be the normal rockbox build tools
22:06:23domonokyPoison4: you cant make those .rock files alone, just build the complete rockbox with configure/make ..
22:06:58Poison4is there turorials on rockbox.org
22:08:03domonokyPoison4: take a look a rockboxs wiki, there are many doc for devs there..
22:08:19domonokys/doc/documents :-)
22:08:26Bagderpixelma: yeah, we're going with pegasus
22:08:55pixelmathe flying horse? ;)
22:09:17*shotofadds takes the deafening silence about his zxbox change as a "yeah, commit it" :-)
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22:09:41linuxstbshotofadds: I don't think zxbox is the most popular plugin...
22:10:25shotofaddslinuxstb: really? I'd never have expected that....
22:10:33pixelmaBagder: but nice to hear that everything is on its way :)
22:11:16Bagderyeps, I'm looking forward to it!
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22:13:09Poison4there should really be an avi plugin, so you dont have to convert to .mpg
22:13:18shotofaddslinuxstb: at least I've got my priorities right. I could be working on something no-one wants, like sound on the d2...
22:13:55linuxstbOr a flash driver...
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22:14:15*linuxstb wonders how shotofadds will load all his .sna files
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22:14:52shotofaddswell, preglow's SD driver will be working soon ;)
22:15:18shotofaddsbut seriously, the NAND driver is ok-ish if you know how to handle it...
22:15:21PaulJam__Poison4: you'd probably still have to convert the videos to adjust the resolution to the screen
22:16:00pixelmaand .avi is just a container...
22:16:02*shotofadds prefers .tzx anyway
22:16:35linuxstbPoison4: What device do you use Rockbox on?
22:16:42BigBambistill, feel free to write one...
22:17:29pixelmaor am I confusing it with something else?
22:17:45linuxstbpixelma: No, you're right.
22:17:49BigBambipixelma: if you mean avi, no, it is a container
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22:19:16n1sit is probably good that we _don't_ support any .avi files as that makes it very clear that you can't just copy any old video file over and expect it to work
22:20:49*shotofadds feels the need to write a 1-line .avi viewer: splash("RTFM!");
22:21:04PaulJam__can avi contain an mpeg1/2 srteam? if yes, then supporting .avi might be possible without too much work.
22:23:51linuxstbPaulJam__: But followed by many complaints that "my avi file doesn't work"...
22:24:51Bagderyeah, I think I'd rather have shotofadds' version
22:26:25low_lightshotofadds: curious...why is the touchscreen button stuff call touchpad?
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22:27:13low_lightI ask because the philips players I have (and the m:robe) have what I'd call a touchpad
22:27:42low_light^ m:robe 100 that is
22:28:21Bagdertoffe82: here?
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22:28:47low_lightI was thinking of making a generic driver for touching, tapping, & sliding events
22:29:24low_lightBagder: I have a new mi4 key & bootloader for the philips hdd1630
22:29:33Bagderah, cool
22:29:56low_lightI'll can email it later
22:30:04Bagderplease do
22:32:15BagderLlorean: FYI: I'm booking a room at the pegasus hostel for the 7 persons
22:36:19toffe82yes
22:36:44BagderI think low_light pretty much answered it with that mi4 info on the philips
22:37:17Bagder"it" being what I was gonna ask about
22:37:44toffe82Bagder: I still have to do it on the hdd6330
22:37:56Bagderah, I didn't spot the different model number
22:38:34toffe82one is microdrive and the other one standard drive
22:38:44low_lightphilips hdd1630 = 6GB mini2g clone
22:39:01low_lightphilips hdd6330 = 30GB ipod video clone
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22:39:10Munkiehey
22:39:31toffe82Bagder: if I don't make it , would you like to play with it at the devcon ?
22:39:43Munkiewhats rockbox programmed in?
22:39:59Bagdertoffe82: sounds like fun, sure
22:40:10BagderMunkie: mostly C
22:40:40Munkieok. where could i get the source code?
22:41:03BagderMunkie: I'd recommend getting it from the svn server
22:41:55Munkiei just want to look at a few small apps.. check if i can see whats going on..
22:42:30toffe82Bagder: if scorche|sh is still ok , I will send him the hdd6330 (and also the sa9200, and the hdd1630 if I can fix it) so you will have 3 philips gogear to play with
22:42:38BagderMunkie: get the source archive at build.rockbox.org
22:42:52Munkiety
22:43:05Bagderscorche might get a dap overload for his trip...
22:43:51shotofaddslow_light: If I'd written the code I'd have called it touchscreen, but JdGordon did the original implementation for the m:robe 500.
22:45:18low_lightahhh...perhaps it would be best to switch notation...it is a touchSCREEN afterall
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22:46:27scorche|shBagder: yeah....i just hope i dont get trapped by customs ;)
22:46:44toffe82:)
22:47:21*scorche|sh searches for any such posession fee they will charge if they think you are going to be selling, but coulsnt find any
22:48:25scorche|shtoffe82: so how is the Gigabeat V?...is it working with the S?...what is required to get it so if it is not?
22:48:47toffe82I can send you the V too ;)
22:49:25*scorche|sh wonders if he will have any room for clothes
22:49:52toffe82the version of windows is the same as the S, but it needs the mod for the updater and also the security
22:50:11toffe82if somebody wants to do it
22:50:17scorche|shwhat sort of "mod"?
22:51:05toffe82the updater for the S works is originally for the v30T, it doesn't work on the v30 (the one available in the US)
22:51:42scorche|shis the reason known?
22:51:55toffe82and also there is to check the security hole
22:52:54toffe82I am the only one having a V30, and don't really test it, I only tried one time
22:54:42toffe82I have also a T400 if you want but this one is tricky , there is an updater for the T401, but not the t400 and it is a flash base so it is difficult to try something without the OF
22:55:19scorche|shhrm...so we have not had code run on the V30 yet?
22:55:33toffe82no
22:56:26toffe82if somebpdy can check what did zunepet on the S and try to see if it is the same on the V, it should be easy
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23:00:04shotofaddslow_light: In fact the ZVM port uses the word TOUCHPAD in the 'correct' sense. I guess "someone" should fix those 70-odd files... :/
23:01:19preglow is there anything more boring than moving? :/
23:01:44shotofaddsyeah: debugging the d2 nand driver :p
23:01:47toffe82so scorche|sh , you want everything (gigabeat V30, T400, Gogear Sa9200, hdd1630 and hdd6330) ;)
23:02:08n1swell, it's nice if you move to a better place :)
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23:02:51preglowshotofadds: i definitely think i disagree :>
23:03:30shotofaddshehe, is that the sound of you volunteering?
23:03:36*preglow runs
23:03:52preglowi've had a stint of disassembling, though
23:04:04preglowtrying to find what the d2 firmware does when init sd
23:04:05shotofaddsfound anything interesting?
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23:04:24preglowwe'll, i've mapped out a bunch of sd code, but found nothing that seems to do what i want
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23:04:37preglowit seems to touch a gpioc pin, but that had no effect when i did so
23:05:11preglowi probably won't have any rockbox time for a week or so now either
23:05:57preglowbtw, have you found where the equivalent of pcf_write is?
23:06:48preglowany pcf communcation at all, really
23:07:08shotofaddsI'm beginning to think about inserting some code into "an appropriate point" in the OF, eg. to jump to a stripped-down bootloader which displays the current PCF registers, GPIO values, etc. Might this be worth persuing?
23:07:28shotofaddsyeah I have the pcf_write somewhere. what version of the OF are you looking at?
23:08:06scorche|shtoffe82: think i might skip on the T400, but otherwise and as long as devs are willing to have at the others, sure (i might try and find time for the V30)
23:08:52preglowshotofadds: would be interesting
23:08:57preglowshotofadds: 4.55
23:09:23toffe82scorche|sh: I will prepare them and send them at the end of the week , so you will have them next week, is that ok ?
23:09:47scorche|shtoffe82: sure...whatever works for you
23:10:40shotofaddsok, mine is 4.52 but the routine is easy to find. At 0x200000d4 there are 4 BLs in a row. Right after that is a LDR PC, xxxx. Follow that, then...
23:11:47preglowshotofadds: give bls in a row here :> but there is a jump sequence after that
23:12:01toffe82scorche|sh: and if somebody want to buy one, no problem ;)
23:12:25shotofadds..follow the first BL in that routine. There's a BL at the start, followed by what I believe to be the whole PCF init routine, starting with a test of GPIOB29.
23:12:36shotofaddspreglow: give/five?
23:12:42scorche|shtoffe82: eh?...i need to try and sell them too? =P
23:12:48preglowshotofadds: five, yea
23:12:59toffe82:)
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23:13:08preglowthat ldr seems to jump to sdram init
23:13:37shotofaddshmm. wait a minute, let me have a look at 4.55
23:13:38preglowfirst bl in that routine again jumps to a spot that does some gpio stuff, by the looks of the addresses it uses
23:13:42toffe82scorche|sh: just joking but if really somebody wants one, no problem
23:14:01shotofaddsis it 0xF005A040 bit 29?
23:14:03scorche|shtoffe82: are you referring to devs or regular people?
23:14:29toffe82I was thinking devs
23:15:06preglowshotofadds: ahh, later in that routine i see some very familiar 8 bit numbers
23:15:16preglowfc, e8, f8, those look like voltage settings
23:15:59shotofaddsare there a lot of MOV R1, #0x10, MOV R0,#7, BL .... ?
23:16:18shotofaddsthose are calls to i2c read/write (just don't ask me what the 7 is for)
23:16:30preglowyeah, there are
23:16:38shotofaddswell you found it :-)
23:16:41preglowso the call right after that is i2c read write?
23:16:45preglow7 might be pcf chip address?
23:16:51shotofaddsnope, 0x10 is.
23:17:08preglowroit
23:17:19preglowso the bl right after that is i2c_write?
23:17:27scorche|shtoffe82: hrm...so you mean to give devs interested in making the port the device, but if they want to pay, let them?
23:17:31pregloweh. or _red
23:17:34preglow_READ
23:17:54shotofaddsfrom the start of that routine.. it checks GPIOC29, then performs a read from PCF reg 2,3,4
23:18:02shotofadds(R3 = count)
23:18:17preglowriiight, this is the code you've disassembled
23:18:20preglowand pastebinned me once
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23:18:34shotofaddsyeah, you still got that?
23:18:37preglowdeed
23:18:48shotofaddsshould make a good reference, then :)
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23:19:24shotofadds..then reads reg 8, and write the value back to the PCF with bit 1 set. etc.
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23:19:51preglowgood
23:19:56preglowi should be able to find most pcf comms, then
23:20:07preglowthat should reveal if sd needs some special massaging
23:20:19shotofaddsyeah, if it's not in this routine it should be easy to find.
23:20:37preglowi wonder why they bitbang their pcf i2c, afaik the chip has i2c controllers
23:21:55shotofaddsit bit-bangs all i2c afaik. as do we.
23:22:18preglowwell, don't have much a choice, do we :>
23:22:37shotofaddsI wouldn't know...
23:23:54scorche|shthis tower is going to be massive this year..
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23:25:04shotofaddspreglow: I'm slightly intrigued why their startup code is structured differently between 4.52 and 4.55. You'd think that stuff would be pretty static.
23:25:51preglowindeed
23:27:04przemhbamiconn: yesterday you have asked me about sim output regarding AC3 playback messages - I have tried it today - when I try to play one of the files causing problems console output show nothing new
23:27:24toffe82scorche|sh: show them, work on it, and if someone wants to keep it make him pay :)
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23:29:32jhMikeSpreglow: 0xf0052000,40,80? (just a wild guess ;)
23:30:25scorche|shtoffe82: i have no idea what they are worth, but alright...
23:30:52toffe82scorche|sh: I will let you know
23:31:34jhMikeStoffe82: have any more defunct boards around to send more thermistors from? I used the one off the tracing board.
23:32:00toffe82jhMikeS: I should have one or two more
23:32:24toffe82I will check
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23:35:25jhMikeStoffe82: if you don't want to send the whole board just a careful removal: jhmikes.cleansoap.org/TH_locator.jpg">http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/TH_locator.jpg
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23:37:36toffe82jhMikeS: did you find the reference of this thermistor ?
23:38:23pixelmascorche: read the log yesterday and wanted to add that I also get skipping of tracks (didn't find a thing in common for those yet) again. For me it was 2 tracks at once in a playlist on M5 (running a slightly older version, high 172xx) and once on the c200 (skipping one track, updated on Monday)
23:39:19jhMikeStoffe82: no, I did it experimentally so runs on more than one would add some accuracy and hopefully help to cancel component tolerance out
23:39:19pixelmainteresting in the latter: it was the same track that regularly got skipped during the "skip 3rd song in a playlist" bug, even though it was not 3rd in this playlist but it's still 3rd in that directory/album
23:40:47k4yhey, i was wondering if someone could give me some advice
23:41:47k4ymy iAudio X5 is dying and i'd like to get another HDD portable media device and run rockbox on it, could someone maybe suggest some devices that wouldn't be too hard to get hold of that rockbox currently works on (or are under heavy development and likely to work on in the reasonably near future)?
23:42:13k4ywhen i say "too hard to get hold of" i really mean a device that i could buy retail (ie. not off ebay etc.)
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23:43:15k4yi've been looking through the list of supported (and players being developed for) on the wiki but i'm not entirely sure which of these players is a good piece of equipment and which are still being produced
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23:44:37Bagderk4y: no player is available new that currently runs rockbox really fine
23:44:48advcomp2019k4y, do you know what is wrong with x5?
23:46:19k4yadvcomp2019: the battery life is just really poor
23:47:00k4yBagder: that's a pity, really
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23:47:19Bagderk4y: yes, I think we all agree on that
23:47:43advcomp2019you know that you can get replacement battery if you like the x5
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23:49:05k4yadvcomp2019: the X5 has some minor annoyances, if i could upgrade my experience that would be preferrable
23:49:28k4yadvcomp2019: also, i live outside of the US, so that might be hard for me to achieve
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23:51:09k4yout of the currently supported HDD players (that are reasonably [a year or two at the most] new), which are generally considered to be good players?
23:51:12jhMikeSreplacement batteries should be available
23:52:34jhMikeSCameronSino JNC SSF-M3, 20G (PPCW0401, PPCW0504) 1100mAh
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23:55:04toffe82jhMikeS: strange that there is no mention of a thermistor in the part list of the S
23:55:04Dhraakelliank4y: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide ?
23:55:35k4yDhraakellian: oh excellent, thanks
23:55:45jhMikeStoffe82: it's in the power block diagram
23:56:14Absnthewhat do I do if my ipod wont show up in ipodpatcher?
23:56:16toffe82yes but the part list doesn't show it, only standard resistor
23:57:05jhMikeStoffe82: it's obviously there and doesn't behave like a resistor at all :)
23:57:13pixelmaAbsnthe: what Ipod model exactly?
23:57:44DhraakellianI went with a SanDisk Sansa e260 a month or so (off of Woot.com, since I'm happily within the US). It's flash-based, but I plan on getting a microSDHC card within the next month or two, which should double, triple, or even quintuple the storage space, depending on what size I get
23:57:52AbsntheI believe it is a 4G.

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