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#rockbox log for 2008-05-28

00:02:08 Join CyBergRind|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130)
00:02:10k4ywhat is the current generation of iPod? 5?
00:02:53preglowyou could call it sixth gen
00:03:10DhraakellianThe Classic?
00:03:13preglowyeah
00:03:19BigBambiAbsnthe: Are you running with admin rights?
00:03:31pixelmaAbsnthe: you believe? May have a look here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 to make sure. Also, do you get an error message?
00:05:25AbsntheYes I am running with admin, i am sure it is a 4g, and the error is "no ipods found, aborting"
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00:06:22BigBambiAbsnthe: have you either quite itunes altogether (including services), or ticked the use as disk option (or whatever it is called) within it?
00:06:28PaulJam__Absnthe: does the original firmware run fine?
00:06:40pixelmaand is your Ipod in disk mode?
00:07:38AbsntheThe original firmware is corrupted (sad ipod) and I am not sure about disk mode.
00:08:01Absnthewhat keypress is it?
00:08:22BigBambiRockbox needs a working OF to install I believe
00:08:28PaulJam__Absnthe: in that case you have to restore the ipod first. the installer requires a working originalfirmware
00:09:34AbsntheI cannot restore the ipod because it does not show up as a disk (Windows)
00:10:23BigBambihave you tried emergency disk mode?
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00:10:49Absnthewhat is the key combo for that?
00:10:56BigBambiIt is in the manual
00:11:07BigBambiI don't know off the top of my head, I don't have an ipod
00:11:53PaulJam__i thnk it is select + play immediately after reset but i'm not 100% sure
00:12:19Absnthegoogled it, its select+menu then select+play
00:12:34scorche|shpixelma: yes...this bug isnt playing nicely =/
00:12:56scorche|shk4y: just curious, but when you get a new device, what are you planning on doing with the x5?
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00:13:14Dhraakellianhmm... so how would I go about patching and building Rockbox with the battery benchmark patch?
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00:13:26Dhraakellianwell, patching would probably be the easy part
00:13:47scorche|shDhraakellian: have you looked at the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page?
00:13:50Absnthenope, cant put it into disk mode
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00:14:31Dhraakellianscorche|sh: thanks... I thought I had seen a page like that, but I didn't remember where it was.
00:14:39PaulJam__Absnthe: what happens when you try?
00:14:54Dhraakellian"NOTE: This guide is for Windows users only!"
00:14:57BigBambiAbsnthe: Well, unless you manage to restore it, think you are out of luck
00:15:02AbsntheSad iPod.
00:15:05scorche|shDhraakellian: you are a linux user?
00:15:09Dhraakellianyes
00:15:16Absntherestore it how?
00:15:20*Dhraakellian looks down a little further
00:15:22scorche|shAbsnthe: disk mode *will* work if done right
00:15:30AbsntheRight?
00:15:40BigBambiAbsnthe: Unless there is a hardware problem, disk mode will work
00:15:46BigBambiAbsnthe: right = correct
00:15:48Dhraakellianso I just ignore the cygwin parts, since I already hae the unix-like environment?
00:15:53Dhraakellianhave*
00:15:54scorche|shDhraakellian: in that case, just run the rockboxdev.sh script which is in svn and then work off the instructions on that page
00:15:58scorche|shyes
00:16:04AbsntheI did it as reccomended on apple.com
00:16:21scorche|shthe rockboxdev.sh script will build the crosscompilers for you
00:16:34k4yscorche|sh: i'm not sure yet
00:16:58BigBambiDhraakellian: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers as well
00:17:00scorche|shk4y: well, when you do figure it out, keep in mind that there are people in here that are willing to take it off your hands ;)
00:17:01Dhraakellianon a semi-related point, (when) is the patch likely to be checked in to svn itself?
00:17:20PaulJam__Absnthe: try it a few more times. i think timing is important and that you hold your fingers still while holding the buttons.
00:17:34k4yscorche|sh: heh, well, i guess that depends on whether they want to pay for international shipping on top of it ;)
00:17:36BigBambiDhraakellian: If it is a) for all players allowed by hardware b) written correctly, c) actually a wanted feature, ....
00:17:37Absntheok ill try again
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00:18:10k4yscorche|sh: is the X5 popular amongst rockboxers? (is that the term?)
00:18:20BigBambik4y: that depends where you live - a majority of devs are european for instance
00:18:32k4yBigBambi: i live in South Africa
00:18:36BigBambihehe
00:18:48BigBambiI don't know of any from there :)
00:18:50scorche|shk4y: there are much more popular, but it has its share
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00:18:56DhraakellianBigBambi: a) the bug report says that it should help even the HDD-based players, b) can't speak to that other than what I've read about it, and c) I'd guess that fixing the battery bench plugin for flash-based players would be wanted
00:19:06k4yscorche|sh: what's one of the most popular?
00:19:29BigBambiDhraakellian: It needs checking by a developer with commit access that has the time, knowledge, and inclination
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00:19:31k4yBigBambi: interesting though, i just assumed that the developers were mostly American
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00:19:46Dhraakellianokay
00:19:51Absnthenot working- ill be back in a little
00:19:59scorche|shk4y: here is a rough guess based on download count: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/05/15/rockbox-downloads-april-2008/
00:20:06BigBambik4y: nope - Rockbox was started in Sweden, and is no pretty international, but with a EU development slant
00:20:12BigBambis/no/now
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00:36:16amaldoI have a Sansa e200v2, and would like to help with the porting effort. Where can I get the datasheet for the AS3525 chip? Is asking AMS the only way?
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00:41:05dan_aamaldo: A large amount of the useful information from the datasheet is in the patch in FS #8843 on our tracker
00:41:56amaldodan_a: thanks, will read it.
00:43:24dan_aWe also need to figure out the original firmware format so that we can safely add our own bootloader
00:44:44amaldoyeah, reading from the forums, no one is sure if the player will answer on MSC mode if the firmware bricked it.
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00:46:50dan_aI've not managed to brick my Clip yet - it seems that most things which it decides are invalid just don't get saved onto the flash.
00:47:53amaldodan_a: what seems to be the major show stopper now? Some checksums that are not understood?
00:48:41amaldodan_a: that patch has a lot of nice GPL'd source files with registers, important adresses, etc... Really nice.
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00:50:16dan_aamaldo: I think that we don't know how to add more than a few bytes of code to the firmware and have the device accept it is one big problem. Another is not knowing how to talk to the I2C... but that should be fairly easy to reverse engineer (I think)
00:51:28amaldodan_a: I'll try to finish reading all the forum posts, and then see if I can put my oscilloscope, or digital probe to some good use. :)
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01:24:48zeno_what runs rockbox and supports SDHC cards? im thinking of cowon d2 but i would have to get both sound and touch working (tough!)
01:25:16JdGordonthe c200/e200's support micro sdhc
01:27:08kienerii_how do i know the ipod generation?
01:28:18PaulJamkienerii_: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353
01:29:21zeno_JdGordon: i need reg sdhc tho, i already own some
01:29:35zeno_also e100 had micro i think
01:30:23gevaertszeno_: the d2 doesn't only miss sound, but also flash and sd (although those are being worked on IIUC)
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01:32:06kienerii_is the ipod classic supported by rockbox?
01:32:17PaulJamkienerii_: no
01:32:51kienerii_:(
01:33:24scorche|shkienerii_: as is said on the front page...
01:33:43kienerii_is there anything in development for the classic?
01:33:54scorche|shnot currently
01:34:09kienerii_scorche|sh: i red it but i do not know if the homepage is up to date :D
01:34:21scorche|shwhy wouldnt it be?
01:34:44kienerii_i dont know :) i thought it'd be better to ask you
01:35:40scorche|shif the website wasnt up to date, then why would we have it in the first place and not just put a big banner there that says "just ask us"?
01:35:44*scorche|sh shrugs
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01:36:36JdGordonmaybe we should add something like "this taregt list is autogenerated from the source.. it is 100% up to date.. dont bloody ask in irc about other targets"
01:37:07PaulJamwouldn't that be a lie?
01:38:24dan_aI think a "last updated on..." bit would help people feel confident that it was up-to-date
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01:39:18scorche|shi dont...if we had that, then if we dont add targets for a few months we get tons of people coming in IRC and saying "well, it hadnt been updated in 4 months, so it might have not been up to date!"
01:39:31scorche|shi think that would cause more people to ask and not trust the text
01:39:40saratogamaybe change "current status" to "All other devices"
01:39:56saratogaso that people realize theres more information linked from the front page
01:40:41scorche|shwow, thats a big page
01:44:31dan_aI guess that ports can be in one of 4 states: Supported, Working but not yet supported, Some Rockbox code runs, and no Rockbox code runs. It might not be clear to people when we say that "Rockbox is not available for the Classic" it means no Rockbox code runs, rather than any of the other options.
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02:03:24scorche|shpeople will have issues in the distinction between Supported, Working but not yet supported
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02:14:59suicide_pillscan someone tell me if RockBox supports 8GB microSD cards for the Sansa?
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02:19:03jhMikeSwhat needs doing to get the beast on the daily builds list already?
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02:26:27amaldodan_a: I think I saw your pictures on flickr, and I wanted to ask: Did you get the JTAG interface working?
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03:09:02XavierGrjhMikeS: some people said something about making easier the installation method
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03:16:59jhMikeSXavierGr: The ZVM also needs that iiuc being MTP-only?
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04:03:03saratogai think the problem with the beast is that you can't charge it in the OF, and you can't dual boot it (legally) without buying an IDE adapter
04:03:57saratogawhich means that in practice we'd either have to tell people to improperly distribute software or buy a HD adapter or else they'd get exactly one battery cycle out of it before it was dead
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04:17:55pathologicOK, so I have a question.
04:18:57pathologicI managed to wrestle Rockbox onto my Gigabeat S. Problem is, I can't figure out how to get my player to charge.
04:19:01jhMikeSsaratoga: I'm working on the battery problem as we speak anyway :)
04:19:39jhMikeSpathologic: the code to have it charge isn't implemented yet so retailos is needed for that
04:20:14pathologicAlright, cool. Thanks.
04:21:12pathologicAnywhere you can direct me so I can find out how to get that set up?
04:22:03jhMikeSthe GigabeatS wiki has the info
04:23:13jhMikeSthough once you have the rockbox bootloader installed, you can place nk.bin on it with UMS (on the small partition)
04:28:56pathologicSweet! Thanks again.
04:32:05fdinelamaldo: you still online?
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04:42:33JdGordondoes anyone know what sort of battery life effect the "power accessory port" setting has?
04:42:50saratogaI think it was like 20 or so minutes according to Buschel
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04:43:14saratogabut its not agreed on exactly, someone probably needs to measure it with a DMM to confirm
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04:43:45JdGordonok, so not enough to throw my bench's out then
04:44:19JdGordonI ran the first with microdirve and that setting as default, the 2nd with a CF and that disabled (thinkin i had disabled it in both tests)
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04:44:30JdGordongot an extra 6 hours runtime
04:45:10saratogai really want to see some current measurements for the Nano
04:45:23saratogai still don't understand how apple can get such battery life out of a tiny battery using PP
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07:17:33webguest06Hello, I was wondering if there is keymapping support for mpegplayer on sansa e200?
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07:56:54yoda415Hi
07:57:03yoda415Anyone here?
07:57:27yoda415I need help with rockbox on my ipod.
07:58:50yoda415Where can you get custom builds for rockbox ipod?
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08:44:21mrkikoHi all!
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09:04:42Minvki have a question
09:04:58Minvkcan rockbox mess up my ipod video in any way
09:05:00Minvklike a virus
09:05:03Minvkwere it just freezes
09:05:13petursure
09:05:24Minvkis it likely tho
09:05:37Minvkhas it happened to u
09:05:38peturnot so, and it is harmless
09:06:00petureven the apple software can crash ;)
09:06:21Minvkso u think i should just leave my ipod alone?
09:06:30peturwhy?
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09:06:38Minvkbecause i dont want to mess it up
09:06:44Minvku said rockbox can mess it up
09:06:55Minvkand cras my software
09:07:19peturmess up is a big word. *if* it crashes you just reset it and you're done again
09:07:36peturit doesn't crash very much, if at all (depends on what you do)
09:07:47Minvkohhh
09:08:03Minvkwhat i mean tho is can it mess it up permanantly
09:08:06*GodEater 's ipod video hasn't crashed under rockbox in a very long time
09:08:09peturso it is stable enough to use every day ;)
09:08:10Minvklike just freeze it forever
09:08:15GodEaterno, it can't mess it up permanently
09:08:26Minvkokay
09:08:29Minvkthats tite
09:08:30cool_walking_I think the term you're looking for is "bricked". I've never bricked an iPod with Rockbox.
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09:08:39Minvkwhats bricked?
09:08:50cool_walking_as in, it's as useful as a brick.
09:08:51peturbreak it forever
09:08:54Minvkoh
09:08:56Minvknice
09:09:01Minvkya thats exactly what i mean
09:09:05peturyou can't brick an ipod
09:09:19Minvkmy friend once got a virus on his ipod
09:09:23Minvkand it just froze forever
09:09:38Minvkit would turn on
09:09:44Minvkbut it would freeze constantly
09:09:57Minvkhe would wait untill the battery ran out
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09:10:03Minvkand while he was charging it
09:10:07Minvkit would freeze
09:10:35peturRockbox is supposed to make your ipod better, not worse
09:10:55Minvkim just curious since its a .org website
09:11:06peturso?
09:11:16Minvki only trust .com websites
09:11:22peturhahahaha
09:11:26scorcheMinvk: i highly doubt your ipod got a virus
09:11:26Minvkor .net
09:11:27scorche....
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09:11:30peturpoor fellow...
09:12:02Minvkso u said i can take off the software if i dont like it
09:12:07Minvkand make it so its a regular ipod again
09:12:08peturyes
09:12:14scorcheand it is dual-boot by default too
09:12:37Minvkmeaning its both a moded ipod and a regular ipod if i want?
09:12:52peturyes
09:13:03scorchemeaning that you can boot into either rockbox or the apple firmware upon your choosing
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09:14:40Minvkdo u know if linux is better
09:15:10peturit depends, but that is off-topic here
09:15:13linuxstbBetter doing what?
09:15:39Minvko snaps a linux person
09:15:39Minvkjust better at modding ipods
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09:15:45Minvkwas my question
09:15:50Minvkbut its irrelevant
09:15:57Minvkso ill drop the subject
09:16:00scorchethat really doesnt make sense...
09:16:06Minvkjust drop it
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09:16:25Minvki dont realy know wat linux does
09:16:34Minvki just know they have a ipod linux website
09:16:59cool_walking_iPodLinux seems to be dying nowadays, I'd stick with Rockbox.
09:17:26Minvkprbly more variety
09:17:31Minvkon rockbox
09:18:32B4gderfor some reason, we in #rockbox like rockbox...
09:19:01Minvkya thats weird
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09:21:33ShaidI don't, I'm here for the food.
09:21:58peturbeer?
09:22:06Minvkis ipod 5g (video) also for ipod 30 gig
09:22:17Minvkon wps section
09:22:24scorchepetur: shhhhhh...dont wake petur....oh wait...
09:22:45linuxstbMinvk: If it's a 30GB 5g (video), then yes...
09:23:14Minvkya mines is a ipod video 30 gigs
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09:25:54Shaidthe 5g stands for fifth generation, not 5GB, incase you're a little confused, Minvk
09:26:13Minvkok i get it
09:26:15Minvkthanks
09:26:22Minvki was a little confused
09:27:31peturI thought we changed all those g to gen on the website?
09:27:53Minvkto download wps do i have to install the original mod
09:28:03Minvkor can i just install a wps only
09:28:25peturfirst install rockbox, then install the wps
09:28:38Minvkcool
09:28:40Minvkthx
09:28:52peturand read the fine manual ;)
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09:45:32Lloreanpetur: I tried to re-explain my whole suggestion regarding charge-only. I don't mind if it doesn't get pick, but I feel rather strongly we should pick a method that works on all targets we already have, and can be consistent for future targets as well.
09:45:58LloreanAlso, can't some of the archoses charge / be powered by USB?
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09:51:18linuxstbLlorean: IIRC the FM recorder/recv2 supports USB charging, and the Ondio can be powered by USB.
09:51:20scorchethe v2s and the Ondios can...although i am not sure if the Ondios can charge off of it
09:51:45scorche....what he said :)
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09:55:39Lloreanlinuxstb: That's what I thought. And neither has a hold switch?
09:55:42pixelmano charging on the Ondios, that could be dangerous if you use it with some alkalines in it :)
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09:56:11pixelmaLlorean: yes, no hold switch on Archoses
09:56:23pixelmathat run Rockbox ;)
09:57:09*linuxstb has a feeling of deja-vu... again...
09:57:12LloreanAlright, so the hold switch option for determining USB connect vs USB charge already won't work for about 4 targets.
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09:57:57*petur wonders how many targets use hold-REC now for charging
09:58:14LloreanI think it's *just* the H300
09:58:25LloreanAt least on SWCodec.
09:58:33peturno further question ;)
09:58:47LloreanIt really should be changed temporarily, but i keep hoping this will just be agreed to and done with.
09:59:06LloreanThe e200 uses Hold Select, and most others use whatever their "Menu" button is (quickscreen) I think
09:59:16linuxstbLlorean: The issue of how to select between power/UMS on USB insert has been discussed at length at least a couple of times in IRC, but I keep forgetting the conclusion...
09:59:46Lloreanlinuxstb: There's a flyspray task now.
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10:00:11LloreanPersonally, I like "a menu option to let the user pick the default (always charge, always connect), and holding any button down does the other thing
10:01:23LloreanThe other competing option seems to be the use of the hold switch. It's easier (no need for two hands) but it won't be consistent across every target, and it allows for additional confusion by people who accidentally leave it on (in my opinion)
10:01:53LloreanI'd settle for a coin flip between to the two if we haven't decided by DevCon. :)
10:02:44*petur takes the coin with the two identical sides away from Llorean ;)
10:03:06*Llorean doesn't know what you're talking about. ;)
10:04:10*petur has to leave this discussion and write some code to keep his job
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10:12:19Snowman4839does rockbox let you play videos?
10:12:53B4gderyes
10:13:01Snowman4839on an ipod nano?
10:13:05B4gderyes
10:13:10Snowman4839sweet
10:13:13Snowman4839what formats?
10:13:48LloreanMPEG1/2
10:13:56Snowman4839thats it?
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10:14:05Snowman4839or thats all you know
10:14:19LloreanYou have to resize them to fit the screen anyway. Since that's re-encoding, it's not like you don't have to convert anyway
10:14:31Snowman4839huh
10:14:39LloreanSo yeah, there was only focus on getting one format working because it's one that runs pretty fast, and can still look good if you get the settings right.
10:14:57Snowman4839cool
10:15:02Snowman4839whats a good converter?
10:15:19LloreanThere's a page on the wiki, PluginMpegPlayer that recommends a few good ones, and gives basic help for using them.
10:15:33Snowman4839cool
10:15:35Snowman4839thanks guys
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12:27:31JdGordonWill anyone get really pissed off if I commit the trig screen patch? it has a bug which is stopping the stop icon updating properly, but the recordings and triggering does actually work... (and it will give a decent delta)
12:27:57JdGordonit needs another set of eyes, and preferably someone who actually uses it to figure it out
12:31:02jhMikeSno objection if it doesn't do anything to break the no spinup functionality when starting new recordings :) (one of my main defensive positions in that system)
12:31:54JdGordonit shouldnt... the patch is 99% gui related...
12:31:56jhMikeSbut then again why should it affect the display of such a thing?
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12:34:38RockoI have rockbox on ipod again and this time unable to transfer files in amarok in linux it says that device does not support that media what should i do they are ogg and flac files
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12:35:44Rocko_?
12:35:54PaulJamthis isn't really a rockbox problem. why don't you just use copy and paste to transfer the files.
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12:36:16gevaertsTry #amarok
12:36:22Rocko_how do you do that
12:37:01*jhMikeS isn't sure why those bootloader warnings aren't errors instead
12:38:43Rocko_how do you do copy and paste to transfer the files?
12:39:59PaulJamthe same way you would copy any file to an external storage device.
12:40:27Rocko_it doesn't matter where you put it?
12:40:40Rocko_rockbox will reconize it
12:40:49PaulJamyes
12:40:52Rocko_ok
12:41:29Rocko_why is it that playlists do not come up in rockbox that I make in itunes or amarok?
12:42:33Rocko_should I put it in a folder in root called playlists
12:42:40Rocko_?
12:42:40PaulJamrockbox supports m3u and m3u8 playlists, so i guess amarok and itunes use a different format that rockbox doesn't support
12:43:19jhMikeSis the bootloader using function-sections somewhere?
12:45:39BigBambiRocko_: Copy them wherever the hell you want
12:45:53BigBambiA directory called music for instance
12:46:51jhMikeSindeed, now that makes sense
12:47:46JdGordonnaughty jhMikeS... yellow :)
12:49:27*jhMikeS takes the red out of the yellow to leave green
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12:51:01jhMikeSJdGordon: and you couldn't resist making it show twice in a row :)
12:51:30JdGordoni didnt even know about it untill i checked to see what my commit was doing :p
12:51:46JdGordonabout to commit this though, so hurru up unless you want it 3 times :D
12:55:44JdGordonboom!
12:55:54jhMikeSshould be building now
12:56:09JdGordonarg, have to wait an extra 5 min now :p
12:56:40jhMikeS...just the swing of the pendulum :p
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13:23:10JdGordonthats a nice delta :D
13:23:42B4gderyay
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13:31:02gevaertshttp://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi indicates otherwise
13:31:04B4gder82 builds are contracting you
13:32:05gevaertscontracting ?
13:32:26B4gderme and my lousy typing
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13:44:18BdN3504Hello!
13:45:01sbehhttp://rafb.net/p/HLoi9H26.html
13:45:35BdN3504i am trying to create a wps myself and would like to integrate the volume bar of the cabbiev2 theme. i tried creating the bar myself but the gradient overlay i use looks kinda strange
13:45:43B4gdersbeh: tried doing make clean and rerun configure?
13:46:06sbehB4gder: i do rm -rf build
13:46:09BdN3504so i want to know if there is a psd file of the cabbie theme free for download
13:46:36BdN3504to see how it was created
13:46:45Rocko_I have rockbox on ipod again and this time unable to transfer files in amarok in linux it says that device does not support that media what should i do they are ogg and flac files
13:47:08gevaertsRocko_: ask on #amarok. This is not a rockbox problem
13:47:23BdN3504ok
13:47:26BdN3504ty
13:48:12PaulJamBdN3504: have you tried to contact the author of the theme? i think his forum nick is "Zinc Alloy"
13:48:39BdN3504no i haven't tried that, good idea... dumb me+
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13:52:54BigBambiRocko_: As you have already been told, copy and paste them
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14:23:16mcuelenaerelinuxstb_: how far is that ingenic.cn download currently?
14:24:41linuxstb_mcuelenaere: About 2.8GB...
14:24:54mcuelenaerewow.. and still counting?
14:24:56linuxstb_It's downloading the 01linux subdirectory still - which is huge...
14:25:26linuxstb_Yes, it's still going.
14:25:33mcuelenaerewhat directory is it currently in ?
14:25:37mcuelenaere01linux/..
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14:28:17mcuelenaerestill 600MB-1GB to go just for the 01linux dir..
14:29:23mcuelenaereinterested in also mirroring ftp://ftp.ingenic.cn/2soc & ftp://ftp.ingenic.cn/4hw/ ? ;)
14:30:08linuxstbI'm not sure how much I can mirror, but I don't mind grabbing everything - it doesn't cost anything, and the internet connection I'm using is mostly idle.
14:31:07mcuelenaereah yes, I meant downloading; but I believe /2soc/ and /4hw/ aren't as interesting as /3sw/
14:31:44mcuelenaereI already have 2soc (which contains some datasheets) and 4hw are just example hardware designs
14:32:13linuxstbOK, I'll grab them anyway. Is there anything else, or just those 3 dirs?
14:32:24mcuelenaereno, that's all
14:32:34mcuelenaereperhaps there's more, but not for anonymous users I presume
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14:32:49mcuelenaere(the dirs start with 2soc and end with 4hw, so there could be a 1xx)
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14:43:19LinusNwhat players use the ingenic?
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14:44:14mcuelenaereLinusN: Onda VX747, Ainol V200SE, some other Onda players I presume
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14:44:33LinusNnever heard of them
14:44:41mcuelenaerethey are all Chinese PMP's
14:44:46mcuelenaerebut cheap :)
14:45:52mcuelenaereLinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IngenicJz47xx
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14:59:34sbehHEAD ist not buildable, linking fails: http://rafb.net/p/HLoi9H26.html
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15:00:03JdGordonmake clean
15:00:10sbehi do rm -rf build
15:00:16JdGordonor something is wrong with your comp...
15:00:25JdGordon82 builds say HEAD is building fine
15:00:26sbehi don't think so
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15:01:01JdGordongot any patches or changes?
15:01:04sbehrm -rf build && svn up && mkdir build && cd build && ../tools/configure && PATH="${PATH}:/home/sbeh/source/rockbox/dev/arm-elf/bin" make && make zip
15:01:07sbehis this wrong?
15:02:22linuxstbDid you get the source code from SVN?
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15:02:53sbehno, svn up is just for fun
15:03:13linuxstbI missed that (obviously...)
15:03:17sbehAt revision 17644.
15:03:25linuxstbDoes "svn status" show anything locally modified?
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15:05:42k4ylinuxstb: yes, check svn status −−help for a description of the first column's meaning
15:05:45k4yoh
15:05:59k4ysorry, ignore me, i *completely* misinterpreted that
15:06:01linuxstb;)
15:06:26sbehhow does it come? http://rafb.net/p/8VzqjZ15.html
15:06:29sbehi never touched it
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15:06:36*gevaerts also decides to give linuxstb some advice :)
15:06:54n1ssbeh: do a svn revert -R . in your source root
15:07:03n1s(don't forget the .)
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16:38:05LloreanWhat's with the colors on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison ?
16:38:28LloreanThe ranges seem somewhat arbitrary, and the color choices seem to make it kinda hard to read without conveying much information.
16:38:42faemirAre there any SoC people for rockbox this year then?
16:39:37n1sfaemir: from the frontpage: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SummerOfCode2008
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16:41:48faemirYou know, honest to god I didn't see that there.
16:41:51faemirthanks :)
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16:43:15faemirAnd nice.
16:43:48LloreanDoes anyone know if there was discussion of the % ranges used to determine those colors, or if it was unilateral? I'd like to revert it, as I feel they're misleading as they stand now.
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16:58:29markunLlorean: I thought the colours might have just been confusing for us colour challenged people :)
16:58:52LloreanThere's that too.
16:59:32LloreanBut I feel the ranges are poor. Orange and yellow generally still suggest warnings. But I think a codec that's 300% realtime is probably quite usable
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17:00:04LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Agreed.
17:01:06LloreanI could understand if the colors were more arbitrary (and all darker / more readable on blue) and represented a 100 point range each, or something
17:01:07markunLlorean: just 2 colours for < 100% (red) and >= 100% (green) seam more logical to me
17:01:18Llorean< 130% I'd say
17:01:42markunwell, whichevery is enough for normal playback without stuttering during navigation
17:01:42LloreanI believe we usually approximate ~120% realtime as needed for normal playback, considering UI overhead.
17:01:56LambdaCalculus37Llorean: That was mentioned here... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecMonkeysAudio
17:02:00LloreanThough some tests might be good to find out at what point one can usually also turn on full EQ
17:02:11LloreanSo we could have red, orange (can't use full DSP) and green.
17:04:38LloreanWell, I'll revert it for now.
17:05:48LambdaCalculus37Okay.
17:06:15LambdaCalculus37Llorean: I think three levels of colors (red, orange, and green) makes much more sense.
17:06:20n1sLlorean: i'd expect the full dsp threshold to be around 250-300%
17:06:20LambdaCalculus37Very good idea. :)
17:08:05Lloreann1s: I'd wonder if it's different on different architectures.
17:08:18n1sprobably
17:08:30LloreanThere's also the fact that different targets have different overhead (iPod Video being a notable example)
17:08:42LloreanI'm not sure there's any way colors can avoid being misleading without a *lot* of testing.
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17:09:30LloreanUnless they're arbitrary, and just highlight ranges (so don't scale from red to green)
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17:12:53n1s! it works :)
17:13:43LambdaCalculus37n1s: What works?
17:13:57n1smy keybox plugin on the h300
17:14:22n1s(coldfire are big endian so it took a bit of poking)
17:16:08LambdaCalculus37Cool! :)
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17:16:45n1snow to make sure it works on those pesky arms that don't like misaligned access... (I wonder if i can turn that back on on the beast to test)
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18:13:20Guest55hello
18:13:41Guest55Does anyone know if this is possible on a c250? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8642
18:15:06Guest55if so, where can I find the file bootloader.bin?
18:15:39linuxstbbootloader.bin is created when you compile your own Rockbox bootloader
18:15:55Bagderand yeah, it can probably be done on the c200 series too
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18:16:28Guest55that sucks, so there isn't a version available to download?
18:16:48LambdaCalculus37Nope. You have to roll your own.
18:16:50Bagderthe patch tracker is for... patches
18:17:07Guest55can that even be done in windows?
18:17:12linuxstbBagder: That patch was accepted though...
18:17:23Bagderah right
18:18:43linuxstbGuest55: I think you may also need to compile your own sansapatcher - the released version is probably older than that change... It's not a feature we would consider "supported" though.
18:18:52Guest55my wife's c250 freezes on boot after sitting for a long time and requires a hard reset to function again, I was thinking this would fix that problem since it seems to be the sansa of causing it
18:19:26Guest55of = firmware ...sorry
18:19:38linuxstbWe understand "OF" here... ;)
18:19:59linuxstbBut if you remove the OF, you remove the ability to use the c250 as a usb device...
18:20:42Guest55once it is full it won't matter though right? will rockbox still update the new stuff on microsd?
18:23:43MacoHello, i suppose rockbox doesn't support victory devices?
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18:23:50Guest55Does anyone know then if I can compile this thing in windows?
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18:24:03LambdaCalculus37Maco: Only what's listed on the front page at http://www.rockbox.org
18:24:14MacoBummer :(
18:24:22Macobut thanks for your support :0
18:24:25Maco*:)
18:24:30Macohave a goodday
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18:25:02LambdaCalculus37Guest55: Have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile
18:25:17LambdaCalculus37Also http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
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18:31:34Guest55ok so even if I don't care to apply the patch I can't just download bootloader.bin somewhere and use it?
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18:39:59jpt91Hey.
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18:40:43jpt91Does Rockbox have an audio compressor (levels-wise; I already know it has on-the-fly MP3 encoding for recording)? I have some radio shows that are somewhat annoying to listen to due to varying levels (and my headphones are somewhat quiet).
18:40:49jpt91If it doesn't, it might be a neat feature to add.
18:43:44markunjpt91: it doesn't
18:44:01markunshould be easy to add, do you want to give it a go?
18:44:02jpt91oh.
18:44:18jpt91dunno... never coded on rockbox before, and I also haven't done any audio programming before...
18:45:28markundo you know C?
18:45:38markunthis would be the file to add it to: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/dsp.c?view=markup
18:47:25markunI can think of a very simple way to do the compression, but maybe it doesn't sound very good.
18:48:22jpt91hmm...
18:48:58jpt91how about just "watching" the level meters and automatically enforcing a minimum amount of gain (with a bit of a limit so it doesn't try to amplify silence or barely audible sounds)?
18:49:22markunyes, autogain would also be possible, but is different from compression, right?
18:49:33jpt91yeah.
18:49:48jpt91hmm...
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18:50:13markunI usually don't like autogain since in slient parts you just hear the noise getting louder and louder until someone talks and it quickly drops again
18:50:29jpt91good point.
18:50:51jpt91that's why you'd have a minimum level for turning on the autogain.
18:51:00DerPapstwhile speaking of dsp stuff... is there an easy way to implement something like transpose?
18:51:17markunDerPapst: what is it?
18:51:18jpt91dunno...
18:51:28markunjpt91: maybe some useful info in here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_level_compression
18:51:31jpt91I know Rockbox does pitch/time shifting (like a tape player)
18:51:50jpt91but it doesn't let you *just* shift the pitch without affecting the speed or vice versa.
18:51:51DerPapstmarkun: similar to what pitch does just without changing the playback speed
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18:52:41markunDerPapst: I thought we had a patch for that (well, changing speed without pitch, but basically the same)
18:53:05markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8894
18:53:11jpt91rockbox needs a built-in monophonic virtual analog synthesizer that I can play along with songs.
18:53:23jpt91as well as a magic way of adding a hardware piano keyboard in software.
18:53:25jpt91:-D
18:53:36DerPapstyes. i know this patch but i hoped the opposite of it would be easier to implement :)
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19:36:19bertrikI just made some commits but they're not showing up on the build page (or on the main page)
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19:39:42domonokyjpt91: on some player with a future USB-onthe go stack in rockbox, it would be possible to attach a usb-piano-keyboard.. :-)
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19:48:00Bagderbertrik: hm...
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19:50:50bertrikNo idea if I did something that triggered it. I did a commit relatively quickly after another (2 mins later)
19:51:00Bagderno, it was a problem on the server
19:51:10Bagderthe svn server had some network problems ~2 hours ago
19:51:29Bagderand the build master somehow got stuck in an svn operation it did then
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19:54:45Bagderthe build took off now
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19:57:06bertrikBagder: ok thanks for fixing
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19:59:03LearHm, now I get no response from rockbox.org...
19:59:57domonokyyeah Bagder killed it.. :-)
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20:00:31LearGot some response now.
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20:15:52domonokycan someone change the parent of a wiki page ? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WPSEditor has a strange parent :-)
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20:17:49amiconnYou should be able to do it yourself...
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20:37:19lolmausHi
20:37:31lolmausHey amiconn, hi! ^_^
20:37:47lolmausIs the bug with screen ripple on M3 fixed?
20:39:10Nico_Pdomonoky: are you doing it?
20:39:24Nico_PI was about to but twiki told me you were editing the page
20:40:01domonokyhm, i dont know how to it, sou can edit away :-)
20:40:07Nico_Pok
20:40:17Nico_Pit's in "more"
20:40:46Nico_Pdone
20:41:09domonokygood, thx..
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20:53:58BobPanesarhello everyone
20:54:05bertrikhi BobPanesar
20:55:00BobPanesarJust thought I'd signup pm wiki to make a little contribution to the CFMod Topic.
20:56:26LambdaCalculus37Sure. What's your wiki name?
20:56:37BobPanesarit's Bobpanesar
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20:56:52LambdaCalculus37Adding you now.
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20:57:28LambdaCalculus37All done. Welcome to Rockbox!
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20:59:46BobPanesarHas anyone here done any CF mods on HDD based players? I've tried the X5, H320, and the 1st gen ipod mini with an A-DATA 32GB CF card.
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21:00:04LambdaCalculus37Quite a few people have done CF mods.
21:00:15LambdaCalculus37Check out the page; you can see some of the results people have posted.
21:00:59BobPanesarUnfortunately there's not one listing there on the X5 and mine wasn't a successful one. The H320 and the ipod mini worked like a charm.
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21:12:00kugelSlasheri: hey
21:12:19kugelSlasheri: Have you done something since we talked last time?
21:13:57Slasherikugel: hi. nope, it wasn't that simple thing to do. The sorting/filtering api would be great thing for that but i haven't had time to think about it yet
21:14:27kugelSlasheri: Another question: It would be nice if rockbox could read TSOP, TSOA and TSOT ID3 tags. They are used to overwrite album, artist and title in sorted lists. E.g if we have The bloodhound gang in artist, and bloodhound gang in TSOA, the list would show the bloodhound gang under b
21:15:08kugelThey're part of ID3v2.4
21:16:01kugelwell, reading isn't the hard part I guess, but rather make tagtree to use them if they are there
21:17:46pixelmakugel: there's a patch in the tracker which is the start of the work needed to support the sorting tags
21:18:03kugelpixelma: really? I searched but I didn't find
21:18:56kugelpixelma: Ok, now I found it...
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21:29:40kugelThere seems to be some difficulties with implementing it in tagtree/tagnavi
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21:37:26saratogaare any lds files needed for the uisim?
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21:51:24saratogadoes firmware/decompressor get built from anywhere but the apps/Makefile ?
21:51:31saratogai'm having trouble figuring out why its trying to build
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21:54:09amiconnIt will be built for archos if the uncompressed firmware size exceeds the allowed maximum (the archos loader only loads firmwares up to a certain size, and not all archoses can be flashed)
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22:01:32saratogai think i see where the makefile is trying to make it
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22:02:14saratogawhats the proper way to check two defines in a makefile in place of an ifndef XXX call?
22:02:28saratogawill if defined(A) && defined(B) wokr?
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22:10:04saratogareally anyway to do "ifndef X && ifndef Y" would be fine
22:10:08saratogai can't find anything on google
22:10:58Bagder#if [expression] is the way
22:11:13Bagderlike #if !defined(X) && !defined(Y)
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22:11:28saratogaisn't # comment?
22:11:52*Bagder learns to read
22:12:03saratogaah you mean c
22:12:11saratogayes that works there, i just can't figure out the make syntax
22:12:13Bagdersorry, I'm a fool
22:14:44Bagderif the defines are set to something you can check for "$a$b" equals ""
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22:20:49kugelMedia Monkey and Winamp also fail at reading TSOP tag
22:21:02kugeleither that, or mp3tag fools me
22:21:27kugelIs there a way to check if mp3tag wrote correct tags?
22:23:40saratogaBagder: does SIMULATOR get defined to anything ? I thought it was just a flag, not a string?
22:23:49saratogathough i don't understand how any of this wokrs
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22:24:59Bagderright, that's just defined not set to any content
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22:27:43saratogaBagder: is the win32 sim depreciated?
22:28:06Bagderyes
22:28:18saratogathen i'll start removing references to it as i go
22:33:00saratogainstead of checking if its not a SIMVER build, is there some define thats equivilent to !SIMVER?
22:33:01*amiconn thought that all references to the old win32 sim are gone already
22:33:09saratogai've seen a few
22:33:12saratogamostly in makefiles
22:33:38Bagderyes, I think I've noticed some too
22:33:46amiconnThe checks for WIN32 in the sim code does not relate to the old win32 sim, btw
22:33:54amiconns/does/do/
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22:34:21saratoga"ifeq ($(SIMVER), win32)" go/nogo?
22:34:58amiconnThat looks old
22:35:12Bagderyeps, leftovers
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22:39:19BobPanesarany iaudio X5 CFCard modders here?
22:39:27saratogawould this work? http://pastebin.com/m113b0520
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22:40:05saratogaerr make that "temp > 0"
22:40:22Bagderyes, that should work
22:45:33kugelIndeed, mp3tag fooled me
22:46:52PaulJamBobPanesar: concerning your problem with the x5 and CF card, maybe the bootloader is too old. CF support was added on
22:46:52PaulJam2008-03-09 and if your bootloader was built before that date it could be the reason for it to not work.
22:47:34saratogais there someway to make these messages print which file they're refering to ?
22:47:36saratoga"make[1]: *** No rule to make target "
22:48:01kugelMedia Monkey and Winamp still fail!
22:51:10pixelmaPaulJam, BobPanesar: the latest Iaudio bootloaders (v4) were released March 18th (check http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot#X5_bootloader)
22:52:35BobPanesarPaulJam: I compiled the bootloader from build r17428 and the X5 did attempt to read from the CF card. It had failed on multiple tries complaining the the .rockbox folder could not be found. The folder was definetly there as i had RARed it from the 20gb HDD and unarchived it into the CF card.
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22:52:51Dhraakellianis there any work in progress on USB file transfer for the sansa e200?
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22:53:19pixelmadomonoky: you around? And do I remember correctly that you have an m:robe100?
22:53:38domonokypixelma: yes, and yes :-)
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22:56:23BobPanesarPaulJam: After bootloader update on the X5 and multiple attemps, a couple did finally launch rockbox, but when exploring the file folders, they appeared to be concatennated with weird characters. All content in the folder were also unreadable. I'm guessing that perhaps the X5 corrupted the data.
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22:58:05PaulJam_BobPanesar: i guess i can't help you there.
22:58:33BobPanesarthe same CF card has since been used on a 1st gen ipod mini and an iriver h320. Both DAPs are functioning properly. I was really hoping that the CF mod would function on the X5. Smaller capacity CFs have worked in the past.
22:59:14BigBambiDhraakellian: yes, it works, but because there is a bug that can potentially corrupt data, it isn't yet ready to be enabled
22:59:25Dhraakellianokay
22:59:46BigBambi(although IIUC the bug is in the ata driver, not the usb stuff)
22:59:57Dhraakellianpondering getting a microSD card and wondering whether I should hold out for a larger-capacity microSDHC
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23:00:10saratogacould someone tell me about /bootloader/Makefile?
23:00:13BobPanesarat any rate, I'm using the h320 DAP with a 32GB CF card ... works quite well.
23:00:18saratogai'm not sure what all that stuff in there does
23:00:27saratogado i actually need any of that for the sim?
23:00:43Bagdersaratoga: no
23:01:16*BobPanesar concurs with Bagder
23:01:32Dhraakelliangiven that the OF doesn't support SDHC on the e200v1. If Rockbox USB file transfer were expected in the near future, I'd get a 4GB+ microSDHC card and wait it out
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23:02:18saratogaJDGordon suggested trying a bootloader build first since it doesn't compile apps
23:02:30saratogabut if i have to deal with the crap in the /bootloader/ folder, maybe thats a bad idea
23:02:49Dhraakellian(or I could just be sure to get a USB reader for the microSDHC)
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23:03:03BigBambiDhraakellian: there is no telling - as I say, it is functional (and I use it just fine). As for the bug being found that will lead to it being enabled in builds, who knows?
23:03:16BigBambiDhraakellian: And yes, a card reader will do the job nicely
23:03:32Dhraakellianhow often does the bug occur?
23:03:47BigBambiI have never seen it, others have
23:03:53BigBambino way of telling really
23:04:41Dhraakellianand is it something that you notice right away when it happens, or can you only tell when you go to play a file and discover that it's corrupted?
23:04:52BigBambidepends what gets corrupted :)
23:05:06Dhraakellian(where "you" = "people who experience the bug")
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23:05:46BigBambiIf it just a music file, yeah, when you play it. If it something else, then it may be more serious
23:05:49*Bagder now confirms the reservation of the Berlin hostel room
23:06:44Dhraakellianhow does it show the microSD card? just another device to be mounted?
23:06:49BigBambiyep
23:07:27BigBambiDhraakellian: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb
23:08:03BigBambiDhraakellian: Oh, and there are a few problems with signal quality, hubs may not work properly
23:08:49Dhraakellianor I could just go in for 2 or 3 of the 2GB microSD cards on today's Woot and just use the OF
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23:10:26Dhraakellianstore one in the player, store the other in the adapter/case
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23:12:36bluebrotherLlorean: have you noticed that the forums have two quick-logins at the bottom?
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23:16:35saratogaI keep getting a "*** missing separator." error when I try to do any sort of "if [statement]" calls in a makefile
23:16:39saratogawhat am i doing wrong
23:17:02kugeleven amarok can't read it :(
23:17:29domonokysaratoga: are you aware that the difference betwen spaces and tabs are important in makefiles ? :-)
23:17:30Bagdersaratoga: shouldn't it be ifeq ?
23:17:36bluebrothersaratoga: is the breaking code available somewhere? Pastebin?
23:18:00saratogadomonky: i'm not using either spaces or tabs, its not a command
23:18:04saratogai'll try ifeq
23:18:34saratogasame result
23:18:49saratogastill this pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m113b0520
23:19:38bluebrotheryou don't end lines with ; in Makefiles
23:20:07Bagderifeg "$test" "1"
23:20:11Bagderifeq "$test" "1"
23:20:12Bagdereven
23:20:29Bagderifeq "$(test)" "1"
23:20:35Bagderprobably too
23:20:43bluebrotherifeq ($(test),1)
23:20:48bluebrothershould work too
23:20:57Bagderyes, ifeq supports many syntaxes
23:21:26bluebrotherbut as saratoga tries to if temp > 1 he most likely would want to use ifneq ;-)
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23:22:36saratogayes that works
23:23:04saratogaalso is there some sim expert around
23:23:08saratogabecause i could use some advice
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23:24:04saratogaalso, some way to get make to print the stupid line numbers for its errors
23:24:28Bagdermake is typically a bit awkward to debug etc
23:25:40MethoS_why doesn't rockbox show the album art of my flac files? does the art inside the audio file have to have a specific resolution?
23:25:55Bagdersaratoga: so what's your problem(s) with the sim?
23:26:26bluebrotherMethoS_: embedded album art isn't supported.
23:26:31saratogaBagder: i have to grep through the source code to figure out which makefile is erroring out, then fix it, and then run make again
23:26:38saratogatimes about a million times
23:26:51saratogait'd be nice if there was someone i could ask about the process
23:26:56saratogaand whats actually needed
23:27:07MethoS_bluebrother: are there plans to implement this feature?
23:27:22BigBambiMethoS-: nope
23:27:29MethoS_why?
23:27:47BigBambiMethoS-: A first step would be to support jpeg decoding in the core, and thus jpeg album art
23:27:55Bagdersaratoga: well, I wrote most of the sim back in the days and I still have a pretty good idea how it hangs together
23:28:03BigBambiMethoS-: One reason is that no-one who wants it has written it
23:28:18MethoS_ok ^^
23:28:40bluebrotherbesides it's questionable if it's really wanted ;-)
23:28:50BigBambiyes, that too :)
23:29:07bluebrother(by devs, not users of course ;-)
23:29:18BigBambinaturally :)
23:29:23saratogaBagder: so all the SDL stuff gets compiled and linked into a sim library of some kind right?
23:30:06Bagderyes
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23:36:32GodEaterBagder, could you email me the build script please ? :)
23:36:58BagderGodEater: the build server one?
23:37:54GodEateryep
23:38:06*GodEater has finally rescued his server
23:38:10Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/acbuild.txt <= rename to acbuild.pl and set the right +x
23:38:19GodEaterta
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23:39:02saratogaBagder: sorry, had to step out for a second
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23:39:25saratogai realize the sim library stuff replaces things mostly in teh target tree
23:39:30saratogabut i'm not clear on how
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23:39:40saratogadoes it simply overload functions defined in the target tree?
23:39:58saratogaand then redirect them to the SDL functions in uisimulator/sdl?
23:40:21Bagderit simply provides alternative ones instead of the "real" ones yes
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23:41:06saratogaoff hand do you remember a specific function in both that I could grep for?
23:41:35saratogaalso, whats the difference between the stuff in the sdl and common folders?
23:41:51Bagderthere's not really any diff these days
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23:42:02Bagderthe common used to be shared between all sim types
23:42:10Bagderand sdl be sdl-specific
23:42:23saratogaoh the old win32 stuff
23:42:31Bagderyes, we also had an x11 smi
23:42:32Bagdersim
23:42:54saratogaso you envision the current sim remaining unchanged by my project?
23:43:10Bagderpretty much, yes.
23:43:22saratogahow much code duplication is tolerable then?
23:43:37Bagdergood question, I'm not sure...
23:44:04saratogai was plannning to start with an x86 SDL target which in practice would be nearly identical to the sim, except using the target tree and obviously not mimicking any specific target
23:44:43Bagderright, and x86 sdl target will of course be the most similar to the sdl sim
23:45:17saratogai think it would be useful for debugging and also a very useful example file for anyone else who wanted to port the sdl sim to their device
23:45:40Bagderyeps
23:46:08Bagderwell, I think that if code duplication becomes a serious issue, we can make some kind of sdl lib with code to be usde by both the sdl sim and actual sdl targets
23:46:16saratogathats a good point
23:46:37saratogaback to the current sim, what parts of rockbox do not get compiled for sim builds?
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23:46:47saratogaobviously hardware drivers and /bootloader
23:46:50saratogabut what else?
23:46:57Bagderit's basically controlled by the SOURCES
23:47:03saratoganot entirely
23:47:08saratogamakefiles often make their own decisions
23:47:23Bagderbut not so much about what particular source files to use
23:47:26saratogathough SOURCES is easy enough, i get confused easily in makefiles
23:47:41Bagderthe aim has always been to run as much target code as possible in the sim
23:48:08saratogathe sim doesn't run all of swcodec does it?
23:48:29Bagderpretty much
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23:51:43saratogadoes the "appextra=" field in configure control all the folders in apps other then codecs and plugins?
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23:54:32Bagderwell "control" might not be the right word
23:54:43Bagderit is used in lots of those Makefiles, yes
23:54:58Hillshumdo the forums work right?
23:55:02saratogawhat happens if i don't set "gui" in that field?
23:55:17Bagdersaratoga: you'll lose -I to that dir all over when compiling
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23:55:29Hillshumthey do now
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23:56:30saratogaBagder: will it still compile like that?
23:57:02BagderI bet something won't but most of the codecs etc will
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