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#rockbox log for 2008-06-05

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00:07:05balug_Hi, I'm using rb's recording on my sansa for openstreetmapping. One thing that bugs me is that I can't easily decide if the device is recording or not.
00:07:23balug_Are there any skins that give a clear indication of record/pause?
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00:10:49alleleopenstreetmapping?
00:11:14stripwaxbalug_ - do you not get the "while recording screen" ?
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00:13:00balug_I get the recording screen, no problem with that. But the only way to decide if it is recording is currently looking at the elapsed time and the size.
00:14:33stripwaxbalug_ - what theme are you using? I thought the default rockbox themes have a play/pause icon
00:14:37stripwaxe.g. http://usuarios.lycos.es/delecami/WRS.pdf
00:14:54balug_And this is a little awkward when walking thru the streets in the middle of the night. As the bottom of the screen is free, I'd like a nice big play / pause icon there.
00:16:19balug_Yes, thats what I see. But the difference is only in like four tiny characters. Darn, maybe I'm getting old and loosing eyesight.
00:16:52seiseiIs there a way to format my m3u playlists in the Playlists folder to play the music loaded onto my ipod by itunes without having to reload the files directly into the Music folder?
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00:23:14pixelmabalug_: there are plans to for the "wrs". The first goal is to make it use the user font, not the built-in small one. Work started but no-one can tell when that'll be in current builds
00:29:17balug_pixelma: Thanks, good to know there is progress. Maybe I'll try to hack and change the background color or something.
00:30:58n1sbalug_: the colors should be changable through the theme settings, no hcaking needed
00:31:16n1scolors = foreground and background
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00:32:37panic_helpwhat does *PANIC* Event line full mean?
00:32:48pixelman1s:guess he means that they should change on recording/paused state
00:33:11panic_helpsansa E250 playin a standard unDRMed MP3
00:33:15n1sah, then hacking is needed
00:33:24alleledo the bmp functions for rockbox allow the background of the bmps to be transparent
00:33:42n1spanic_help: that something went very wrong and that you are probably using an old build as that bug is supposed to be fixed
00:33:49pixelmapanic_help: how old is your build?
00:33:57panic_help2 days
00:34:26Nico_Pbalug_: I'm curious, how do you do openstreetmapping with an audio recorder?
00:34:28n1spanic_help: what r number does it show when starting or in the "rockbox info" screen
00:34:58panic_helpits my moms... and she just took it too play a game, one sec
00:35:54panic_helpok, slightly older... 17451
00:36:06n1sok, then update and it should be fixed
00:36:12panic_helpok, ty
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00:37:03panic_helphey, anyone have an iSing from outrageous?
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00:38:11BigBambipanic_help: I don't know what that is, but it sounds off topic
00:38:41panic_helpits just a dap very similar too an archos, i was thinking about starting a port
00:39:03panic_helpstudio* dont know how i skipped that
00:39:38BigBambipanic_help: In that case, OK :)
00:39:47BigBambiwhich archos though?
00:39:54panic_helpSTUDIO
00:40:13BigBambiOK, calm down
00:40:15panic_helpoops, caps key >.>
00:40:27BigBambi:)
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00:41:12BigBambiRockbox doesn't support that, so unless something like archopen has done any work (I don't know), it'd be a new port in the standard sense
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00:42:34pixelmaBigBambi: ?
00:42:42 Quit ender` (" On the other hand, you have different fingers.")
00:42:59BigBambier, ignore me
00:43:10Gartralfrom the outside it has a headphone port, mic, mic in, line in (seperate from mic in), USB A to A and SD/MMC card slot, a hold mode and 11 buttons
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00:43:31BigBambiGartral, pixelma: Sorry, I don't know what I was on about then
00:43:47pixelmathe old Player with the charcell display is sometimes also called "Studio"
00:43:48BigBambiGartral, pixelma: The studio is very much working
00:43:51balug_Nico_P: I walk along the road, gpx logger in pocket, and whenever I set a waypoint, I record a short message on the device. So I'm often pressing play/pause to switch.
00:45:02Nico_Pbalug_: right. btw, are you the one who posted the FS feature request for an openstreetmap plugin?
00:45:22balug_Nico_P: And sometimes I've noticed afterwards that I got out of sync and inverted the state. That I recorded everything but my message. Grmbl.
00:45:57Nico_PI can see how that can be frustrating
00:46:04SinthrillMeadeari just fixed the Arctic_Desert theme for the 5g Ipod. Can I get write permission for the wiki?
00:46:09pixelmaGartral: but the Player/Studio doesn't have an SD/MMC slot. And similarities in looks can sometimes be misleading, like e.g. the v2 sansas look the same as the v1 ones but have very different hardware inside. Do you know more about that device?
00:46:22balug_Nico_P: No, but I had the same idea weeks ago. And it was the reason for me visiting the website tonight. And then I noticed that somebody else had this idea yesterday. Bugger :-)
00:47:56Nico_Pbalug_: it actually seems feasible (don't know about the performance requirements, but I guess recent targets like the S will be able to handle it). I've started work on an sqlite port to rockbox, and from what I saw the data is available as an sqlite DB.
00:49:24pixelmaGartral: do you mean that thing http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/It-039-s-Outrageous-Time-iSing-You-Sing-Everybody-Dance-2.jpg ??
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00:51:04balug_Nico_P: I think, the sqlite is just the way to trick the original iphone map application into using osm data. I would just have thrown a bunch of bitmap tiles in a dir structure.
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00:51:28Nico_Pah, right
00:51:46Nico_PI didn't read enough of the post the first time ;)
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00:53:23balug_Nico_P: How much effort would it be to write a small rb app that just knows about the dir structure, displays bitmaps and maps the keys to up, down, left and right scrolling?
00:54:02Nico_Pprobably not too much actually
00:55:46balug_I'll look into it.
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00:56:32Nico_Pthere's a wiki page on how to write plugins, and a helloworld example
00:56:51Nico_Pdisplaying a bitmap file is quite easy
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01:08:29ubuntuuuuShort question: I've set up everything in Ubuntu... and now i got a lot of "Warning differs ... signdness"
01:08:40ubuntuuuuDoes that mean trouble ;-)
01:09:35ubuntuuuu(its so fast in comaprison to cygwin in nearly cant believe it)
01:10:20pixelmadoes that have anything to do with Rockbox?
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01:10:45ubuntuuuuYes.. the warnings are showing up during compile
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01:19:04allelein ubuntu I've gotten tond of warnings about differs in signedness
01:19:19alleleeven using breezy badger
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01:31:35ubuntuuuuso is that a problem... or just an important warning?
01:31:55Shaidthey're warnings
01:32:09Shaidif it compiles fine, then they're not an issue.
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01:36:42ubuntuuuufine.. so i am happy...
01:36:45ubuntuuuuTHANKS
01:37:59allelehehe
01:38:13alleleso anyone know anything about the rb bmp functions?
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01:50:40allelewell I answered my question about whether the bmps are transparent - no they are not
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01:54:12pixelmathere's no alpha transperency in Rockbox if you mean that but you can "mark" parts transparent by using magenta - unless the bitmap is used as backdrop and only for colour targets. Some plugins use this in their graphics e.g. jewels
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02:01:28alleleo ok, thanks. I was planning on just breaking up the image into boxes where it would be solid, but this is much easier :D
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02:08:51stripwax'icon' bitmaps too
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02:31:57*petur offers drinks for everybody (beer, champagne, you name it) :D
02:33:47scorche|shkid?
02:33:52peturyes
02:33:55scorche|sh\o/
02:34:01scorche|shcongrats!
02:34:03toffe82first one ?
02:34:06peturit's a girl, name = Lotte
02:34:12peturyes, first one
02:34:41scorche|shanother future rockbox hacker? =P
02:34:55peturhehe
02:35:15peturif rockbox still exists in 15 years..
02:35:26toffe82why not ;)
02:36:23scorche|shpetur: we demand pictures!
02:36:55*petur gets the card out of his camera
02:37:25Shaidcongrats!
02:37:28scorche|shalthough if you are exhausted enough, we can wait till tomorrow :)
02:38:00soapcongrats - I always figured your avatar was one of your kids and you WTB time to spend with them.
02:38:23soapdid you use Rockbox to tape the delivery? ;)
02:38:38petursoap: the avatar is actually a very old pic of me
02:38:43scorche|shsoap: a bit disturbing much? ;)
02:39:29peturto keep this on topic: in the hospital I played music using my h380 and an old radio with line-in
02:40:00scorche|shfuture devs are on topic =P
02:41:20toffe82short nights are comings so you will have more time to dev , between two bibs ;)
02:43:03pixelmatoo many channels... my congratulation is in the other one ;) :)
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02:43:56peturthanks all... first pic is up: petur/lotte.jpg">http://users.telenet.be/petur/lotte.jpg
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02:45:56scorche|shwow...thats a lot of hair...dark stuff too
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03:29:07blackvdI just used the gui installer for rockbox on my iriver H300. I see all the files have been downloaded to the root directory. I downloaded the firmware from iriver and had the installer patch it. however when I reboot it boots to the normal firmware? every time I rerun the bootloader install it says its up to date.
03:31:47blackvdhm ...now I'm getting Could not detect firmware type?
03:36:01blackvdok so I downloaded the Korean 1.29 firmware and copied it to my iriver root dir ...selected install bootloader and pointed to the H300.hex file. Said every thing went fine. rebooted and still nothing?
03:39:47blackvdnever mind forgot to flash >_>
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04:16:54Dhraakellianhmm... I notice that when I have my e200 plugged in with rockbox (charging only), the battery indicator climbs steadily and relatively quickly up to 100, but then it shortly starts dropping off quickly again
04:24:54XavierGrpetur: wow! Gongratulations for your cute baby girl. :D
04:26:34peturthnx
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04:32:07johfinerso rockbox is frozen on my ipod photo with an error that was addressed in a recent build BUT the hard reset and shutdown will not work. do i have to wait until the battery dies?
04:32:37peturhard reset always works
04:32:59johfinerreally? in the manual it says a hard reset is holding menu + pause, and that is not working
04:33:14scorcheif it doesnt, you either have a physically broken device, or are doing it wrong
04:34:01scorchehold menu and the center button
04:34:08johfineryeah i've done that
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04:34:16johfinerfor like 3 seconds, and 30 seconds....
04:34:24johfinermaybe it really is broken
04:34:47scorcheflick the hold switch on, then off, then hold the menu and center button for 30 seconds...take care not to move your fingers too much
04:35:28johfinerokay the problem is the user, of course, i apparently missed the flicking of the hold switch. that worked
04:35:35johfinerthank you!
04:35:38scorcheit isnt always required
04:35:46johfineroh ok
04:36:17johfinerwell thanks, i wish i would have done that a few hours ago
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04:50:35wpyhhello
04:50:38wpyhgevaerts here?
04:50:40wpyhn1s?
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04:56:05wpyhAnyway, I found that the CF card was the culprit
04:57:37wpyhI used a transcend cf card last night, TS8GCF133, and it didn't work
04:57:47wpyhnow I tried using a sony 1G card, 66x, it works
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05:26:43wpyhdoes anyone know, how to force a 5.5gen iPod Video to use 512-byte sectors?
05:26:52wpyhMaybe edit the firmware / flash?
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05:34:29GungnirSo, just to double-check what the site told me: If I've got a Sansa v2, I'm out of luck?
05:34:49saratoga": Sansa c200, e200 and e200R series (not the v2 models) "
05:35:16saratogawpyh: you could check the SVN logs for the day support for the 80GB model was added
05:35:23saratogaand simply undo that patch i guess
05:35:43saratogai think that would force 512 byte sectors, but i've never looked at it
05:36:12GungnirThought so. Thanks for answering.
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05:37:07wpyhsaratoga: I was wondering if I could patch the OF
05:37:28wpyhbecause if I put RB's bootloader into it, it doesn't even read the bootloader
05:37:41wpyhit just simply goes to the restore screen :(
05:37:44saratogathats going to be an enormous amount of work
05:38:21saratogabut if you're really good at reading assembly you might figure out how it decides which sector size to use and patch it
05:38:35saratogaassuming its possible to patch that ROM code anyway
05:38:43*wpyh scratches head
05:39:06wpyhThat's the problem, I don't know too much about assembly
05:39:18wpyhanyway, the problem is with CF card
05:39:36wpyhwith sony's NCFB1G I can boot fine
05:39:47wpyhbut with transcend's TS8GCF133 I can't boot
05:40:06wpyhthe apple bootloader doesn't even recognize RB's bootloader
05:40:20wpyhI also tried iPodLinux's bootloader, and it didn't recognize it too
05:40:55wpyhBut the weird thing is, when I put a new firmware updater in the fw partition, the ipod flashes itself, successfully
05:40:59wpyhAny ideas?
05:41:21saratogaget a CF card taht works and use that
05:41:51wpyhuh... that seems to be the *easiest* route
05:43:32saratogadoes it load the bootloader at all or does it crash before transfering to it from the Apple firmware?
05:43:48wpyhhow do I determine whether it crashed?
05:45:30saratogaI'm not familar with the ipod bootloader code, but i'd imagine you could figure it out with some debugging there
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05:45:45saratogamaybe try printing from it's main() routine first thing and see if it works?
05:46:12wpyhum, let's see
05:46:55wpyhuh, let's do it step by step
05:47:03wpyhright now I'm using the working card (sony)
05:47:17wpyhI've put the BL and the 64MB build of RB
05:47:30wpyhthen it boots and said "No partition found"
05:48:03saratogaNo partition found"
05:48:05saratogaNo partition found"
05:48:13saratogawell the first thing i'd do is try and figure out what software printed the "No partition found" message
05:48:27saratogathats probably as good a place as any to look
05:48:37wpyhit's the RB bootloader
05:48:41wpyhok
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05:58:43morghanphoenixI've got the installation utility downloaded, and my ipod mounted at /media/IPOD and the type selected, the iPod mounted and when I click complete installation it says no iPods found.
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05:59:45morghanphoenixany idea what I'm doing wrong?
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06:00:46morghanphoenixmy permissions are fine as well, I can read and write the mount point, and I did a ipod reboot into disk mode like the manual says.
06:02:56krazykitmorghanphoenix, what kind of ipod do you have?
06:03:05morghanphoenix5th gen video
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06:03:20krazykitare you sure it's not a classic?
06:03:34krazykitand are you running rbutil as root / with sudo?
06:03:56morghanphoenixIt's the black one with mp4 video support.
06:04:12krazykitthat also describes the classic.
06:04:29morghanphoenixhmm, how do I find the difference?
06:04:41krazykithttp://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353
06:05:48morghanphoenixdoesn't look like the classic comes in 80GB
06:06:00krazykitit does.
06:06:07krazykithttp://ipodlinux.org/Generations#Sixth_Generation_.286G.2FClassic.29 may be more clear
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06:11:55morghanphoenixstill a bit fuzzy, but a google for model ma450ll seems to turn up classic, even though I coulda swore the box said 5th generation whe n I bought it last year.
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06:12:56krazykitdoes the ipod have rounded edges and a matte finish, or are they more square with a shiny finish?
06:14:35morghanphoenixpretty shiny
06:15:00morghanphoenixah, on the seccond page. classics are matted
06:15:10morghanphoenixso I guess it is a 5g
06:15:52krazykitso, are you running rbutil as root/sudo?
06:16:42morghanphoenixthere it goes :) Wasn't root :P now I feel dumb, didn't see it say I needed to be root anywhere.
06:17:11morghanphoenixWill this blank me or do I still need to figure out how to get rid of those ipod photos that are on there somehow?
06:17:42morghanphoenixextracting failed, unable to create a directory.
06:18:13krazykitwhat does "blank me" mean?
06:18:29scorche|shrbutil will not format your device
06:18:41morghanphoenixremove all the pictures and songs on there like itunes or is it just a firmware install
06:18:45morghanphoenixah
06:19:35morghanphoenixthere it goes, it unmounted and remounted as ipod-1
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06:21:05morghanphoenixFigured it was time to try something different since I need to update my ipod again and don't want to convert 80gigs off oggs to mp3s like I did last time I updated the ipod
06:21:27scorche|shtranscoding is not good...
06:21:49scorche|sh(lossy to lossy of course)
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06:23:46morghanphoenixwell, rockbox up and running. now I just need some wiki time to figure out how to use it.
06:24:05*morghanphoenix wonders how well doom will be playable on an ipod :)
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06:37:57morghanphoenixthanks scorche|sh Got it up and running now, just need to read up on how to work it now :)
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07:10:00wpyhdoes anyone know whether RB works on ipod video 5.5g 30GB?
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07:11:04B4gderit does
07:11:17B4gderas is mentioned on the front page of the site
07:11:47wpyhany problems with the 2048-byte sector size?
07:12:26B4gderproblems as in how?
07:12:56wpyhas in the 5.5g 80GB model initially had problems booting
07:13:11B4gderinitially? you mean many moon ago?
07:13:28wpyhyeah, many fullmoons ago..
07:14:06B4gderthose problems are fixed a long time ago
07:14:57wpyhok
07:15:11wpyhso, was the problem in the 30gb model the same as the one in the 80gb model?
07:15:48B4gderI believe so
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07:17:47wpyhwell, then I don't understand the 64MB ram selection in the tools/configure script
07:18:13B4gderwhy would that be about the disk?
07:18:22wpyhAFAIK, the 5g-30GB and 5.5g-30GB models have 32 MB of RAM, and the 5g-60GB and 5.5g-80GB models have 64 MB of RAM
07:18:35B4gderexactly
07:18:37wpyhwell, if I recall correctly it turns on some sort of switch
07:18:38B4gderRAM
07:19:35B4gderit makes rockbox use the suitable amount of memory
07:20:15wpyhoh
07:20:20wpyhI was hallucinating, sorry
07:20:42wpyhI thought I saw that the 64MB ram selection was used to determine the sector size...
07:20:48wpyhcouldn't find it in the sources now
07:20:50wpyhsorry :(
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07:21:45cool_walking_Can the amount of RAM not be detected at runtime? Just curious
07:21:56B4gderit can
07:22:08B4gderbut nobody has yet done the necessary fixes to unify the builds
07:22:14cool_walking_Ah
07:22:32B4gderlike now it runs the plugins at a fixed address and the end of RAM
07:22:42cool_walking_Ah
07:22:54B4gderat the end even
07:22:57Battousai640Kb?
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07:23:28wpyhB4gder: that would be cool to have :)
07:23:42B4gderyeps, I agree
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07:27:52morghanphoenixheh, only found one problem with rockbox so far, so many cool plugins I need to drop some of my music files to make space for it :)
07:28:25cool_walking_How small is your disk???
07:28:29B4gderrockbox should take less space than one typical song
07:28:35wpyhyeah
07:28:50morghanphoenix80, it's not rockbox, it's the wads and the gameboy roms
07:28:58Battousaihaha
07:29:52Battousaimake way, floyd. the good dr. mario is in.
07:30:10morghanphoenixheh
07:30:31morghanphoenixLufia, Final Fantasy Adventure, Zelda, Azure Dreams :)
07:30:48wpyhwell.. I can imagine your ipod being a portable game device rather than music device...
07:30:49scorchethis is getting a bit off-topic...
07:30:59*wpyh shuts up
07:31:31morghanphoenixyeah, the gp2x is my game device, I just thought it was nice that it worked in rockbox.
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07:34:15amiconnB4gder, wpyh: Actually there were 2 problems regarding the G5.5. (1) The logical sector size of 2048 bytes. This was solved early, with a clever trick in the fat driver (after the first try was very unstable). (2) The physical sector size of 1024 bytes (80GB model only)
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07:35:25wpyhamiconn: OK, so rockbox sees the drive as 2048-byte sectors when it is booted up, right?
07:35:34amiconnno
07:35:48wpyhno?
07:35:54wpyhuh..
07:36:07amiconnAt the ata api level, a sector is always 512 bytes
07:36:31amiconnThe ata driver handles the translation on the G5.5/80GB
07:37:07amiconnHandling the 2048 byte logical sectors is done by just splitting them into 4 * 512 byte
07:37:33wpyhso, for the 5g(30,60) and 5.5g(30), rockbox sees the drive as 512 byte sectors, while for the 5.5g(80) rockbox sees it as 1024 byte sectors?
07:38:10amiconnno
07:38:39amiconnAll of rockbox always sees the drive as having 512 byte sectors, on all targets, except the ata driver itself
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07:39:21wpyhoh, ok
07:39:26wpyhI mean the ata driver
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07:39:37wpyhwhat does the ata driver see, on the 5g and 5.5g ipods?
07:40:05amiconnThe ata driver queries the disk (if support for large physical sectors is compiled in), and if sectors are larger than 512 bytes, splits them on read, and combines them on write
07:40:18wpyhok
07:40:32amiconnThis is done via a single-sector cache
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07:41:17wpyhok, I understand the "translation" part now
07:41:34wpyhfor the 80gb drive, I saw on toshiba's website / pdf that it has 512 byte sectors
07:41:36amiconn...and it's the reason why *writing* in small chunks is slow in G5.5/80, because it means reading a 1024 byte physical sector, changing the appropriate partial 512 byte sector, and writing back 1024 bytes
07:41:37wpyhso that's false?
07:41:58amiconnThe retail version most probably supports 512 byte sectors
07:42:09amiconnThe problem is only with the oem version used in the ipod
07:42:36wpyhok... how do I check whether it's 1024 or 512 byte sectors?
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07:43:43amiconnThe same way as ata.c does....
07:44:36amiconnSee ata.c lines 1214 ff
07:44:58wpyhok, looking at ata_init() now
07:45:36wpyhah, I see the DEBUGF lines
07:46:25wpyhis this done in the BL or the FW, by the way? I think it's in the BL, but then the configure script doesn't give an option for debug bootloader build
07:46:28Buschelsaratoga: still there?
07:46:39amiconnwpyh: It's done in both
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07:47:05wpyhok...
07:47:24amiconnDebug builds are only useful on targets where you can hook up gdb
07:47:34wpyhoh..
07:47:47wpyhwell, I see it now: MK8010GAH
07:47:50wpyhin the debug menu
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07:56:49wpyhamiconn: how do we know the sector size from the ata identify dump?
07:57:04wpyhI dumped it, then did "od -t x1 /tmp/identify_info.bin -v | cut -f 2- -d ' ' | grep ' ' | sed -e 's, ,,g' | hdparm −−Istdin"
07:57:41wpyhhere's the result: http://pastebin.com/m29a5682
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08:03:47JdGordonare the wps filenames width x height or height x witdh?
08:05:25Shaidwidth x height is usually the standard for image sizes, I'd expect that to be the case here to
08:08:36JdGordonthats what I thught.. just double checking...
08:10:35JdGordoncan somone with a c200 please dump a screenshot of what the cabbiev2 theme looks like with and without AA loaded?
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08:16:38Buschelsaratoga: let us talk when you are awake again :) i'll be back again in about 10 hours
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08:23:42JdGordoncurrently there is no way to define a wps viewport so it uses the themes colours without knowing the colours right?
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08:32:59amiconnwpyh: hdparm obviously doesn't know about the large physical sector feature
08:33:19amiconnI'd just open identify_info.bin in a hex editor and check the respective word
08:34:03wpyhoh..
08:34:19wpyhwhich word is it?
08:34:31amiconnThe same as the ata driver uses....
08:34:38wpyhoh..
08:34:51amiconnWord 106 (ata words, i.e. 16 bit)
08:36:44wpyhit's 0x0160 there
08:37:14wpyhoh, I see
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08:37:29wpyhit's not the little endian byte order, so it's 0x6001
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08:37:50wpyhthen as ata.c does, 1 << (0x6001 & 0x000f) becomes 0x02
08:38:03wpyhso the sector size would be 2 * 512 = 1024?
08:38:14amiconnYes, the ata identify dumps are always written as big endian, in order to avoid confusion
08:38:18amiconnyes
08:38:24wpyhOK, thanks
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08:39:09wpyhnow I (i'm using the hdd) commented out the #define MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE in export/config-ipodvideo.h
08:39:30wpyhand see that RB fails to boot now, it says no partition found
08:41:01amiconnOf course
08:41:25amiconnThe disk reports an error if you don't read complete physical sectors
08:41:40wpyhoh.... I got it
08:41:42amiconn...and that's what happens then since rockbox tries to read 512 byte sectors
08:42:04amiconnIt already fails at the very start, when trying to read the mbr in disk.c
08:42:37wpyhit's weird though, since I found a usable CF card (sony NCFB1G) that can boot the OF just fine
08:42:46wpyhbut fails to boot RB in the same way (no partitions found)
08:42:48wpyhany ideas?
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08:44:46amiconnDebug...
08:44:53wpyhhow?
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08:46:31amiconnHow did you test, btw? Maybe the bootloader fails already? You need a current bootloader for proper CF support
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08:46:56wpyhI got it off svn :)
08:47:07wpyhyes, I think it fails in the bootloader
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08:47:39amiconnThe bootloader uses the same code for ata & fat as the main build, and the bootloader needs to load rockbox from disk
08:48:27wpyhI prepended "ipod.c: " to the message "No partitions found" in bootloader/ipod.c and it shows up
08:48:35wpyhwhich shows that it failed in the bootloader
08:48:40amiconnpetur did the CF compatibility work
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08:48:56wpyhok
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08:49:00wpyhpetur: you here?
08:49:50amiconnIt's most probably another nasty deviation from the ata standard of your CF card
08:50:06wpyhbtw, if I force the BL to use 2048 byte sectors, it works fine
08:50:11*amiconn is successfully running a 32GB CF card in his ipod mini
08:50:13*petur yawns and thinks 1.5 hours sleep is not enough anymore
08:50:29*wpyh wants that cardd
08:50:53wpyhpetur: heard you're the one who did CF compatibility here
08:51:20peturhmmm amiconn knows at least as much as I on this topic (if not more)
08:51:41amiconnYou did the whole debugging though
08:51:49peturack
08:52:39amiconnwpyh: This one: http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=174&LangNo=0
08:53:38peturwpyh: maybe start by uploading a dump of the identify info to the wiki
08:53:40wpyhwell, that's TS32GCF133, while my non-working-cf-card is TS8GCF133
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08:54:10peturI certainly have no time at all, I shouldn't even be typing here :/
08:54:29wpyhpetur: one card (TS8GCF133) didn't work even with the OF, while another card (NCFB1G) doesn't boot RB properly
08:54:34wpyhok
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08:55:06wpyhamiconn: regarding the cards, then I think the transcend cards can't handle sectors > 512 bytes
08:55:09wpyhwhat do you think?
08:55:25peturwpyh: on iriver, most cards don't work with OF
08:56:03wpyhpetur: well, I put the BL on that transcend card but the ipod always says "restore with itunes"
08:56:10amiconnThe apple OF doesn't seem to have problems with CF (only tried booting though)
08:56:12wpyhhave you met this problem before?
08:56:26amiconnpetur doesn't have an ipod
08:56:37wpyhamiconn: IIUC, the ipod mini only does 512 byte sectors
08:56:45peturno ipod here
08:56:47wpyhwhile I have a 5.5g ipod
08:56:51wpyhpetur: ok...
08:56:55amiconnOn ipod you need the correct partitioning
08:57:14wpyhamiconn: as in?
08:57:17amiconn...plus the correct content of the firmware partition
08:58:06amiconnI'd use dd to copy the first few MB (mbr + whole firmware partition) to the card
08:58:30amiconnThen use a standard partitioning tool to delete the fat32 partition, recreate it with the correct size, and format
08:58:58amiconnNo need to reinstall the bootloader this way if it was installed before
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08:59:51wpyhamiconn: did that, didn't work
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09:00:51wpyhthe ipod will still ask to restore via itunes
09:01:07wpyhweirdly, if I copy the firmware updater onto the firmware partition, the ipod will flash itself
09:01:13wpyhthat means the firmware is ok, right?
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09:03:20JdGordonmorning pixelma, I'm working on converting cabbiev2 to not use %m and its not as bad as I thought it might be... the %V syntax is too strict though which makes things irritating, but thats easy to fix
09:03:39*JdGordon isnt 100% sure there isnt a problem with stopping the scrolling though
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09:07:18pixelmaJdGordon: too strict, how?
09:08:12JdGordonhow you have to put in values for each param... I'd like to just give it a x,y value and then it would use the rest of the viewports dimentinos for width, height. same for colours
09:08:53JdGordonalso, for height I'd like to put in something like 4L which would mean 4* line height so the font isnt fixed...
09:09:01JdGordonthat one probably wont happen
09:11:04JdGordonanother thing I've got annoyed at is image loading doesnt use the viewport x,y offests, not really major but again, something that could be changed
09:12:09pixelmaI don't understand the last line
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09:13:54pixelmabitmaps are displayed relative to the viewport's upper left corner you have your "display image" tag in
09:14:41JdGordonarg, yeah, thats what I meant... i need more caffeene :p yes, it works as expected
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09:18:09wpyhamiconn: you there? I found that with the sony cf card, the BL can read the mbr fine (all mbr info ok), but failed when mounting
09:29:01wpyhamiconn: ah, found it!
09:29:34wpyhI formatted the disk as FAT16, but export/ipodvideo.h doesn't define FAT16 support
09:29:50wpyhis there any reason that the iPod Video shouldn't support FAT16?
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09:34:49B4gderno
09:35:15B4gderwell, apart from it being mostly useless for 99.5% of everyone
09:35:33wpyhwell, people using cf cards (like me) can benefit a bit
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09:35:45wpyhhow much is the code overhead?
09:36:19B4gderotoh CF modders should be able to build rockbox too
09:36:42wpyhyeah, would be best if it can be configured easily
09:40:26wpyhIs there a way to replace the firmware partition with a bootloader completely (so we don't have to reply on the OF's bootloader)?
09:44:00JdGordonwhat are sane default values for the fore/background colours for greyscale lcds?
09:44:12JdGordonthey arent stored in the theme at all are they?
09:44:20JdGordonunlike 16bit lcds i mean
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09:49:28pixelmadefault is black on white and I can't remember ever setting those. Before viewports in the wps you couldn't use other shades of grey anyways, haven't even tried with viewports yet though I like to try
09:50:29JdGordonis it better to set the defaults then to black on white? or not allow them to be skipped?
09:52:36JdGordonblack is 0 white is 3?
09:55:06pixelmaas far as I'm aware you still can't set anything else than black on white outside the wps, though "set foreground colour" etc. were only excluded for mono lcds in the langv2 update because it's probably doable one day...
09:55:53pixelmaabout the 0 and 3 - would have to try out which is which myself
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10:02:33JdGordonok, code review question.... parse lists takes a list of types to pass in the form "ssdddg", now, ive changed it so it sets a bit in an int coresponding to each item in that string weather or not it was parsed OK... I have it so that first s would be bit (1<<0), 2nd is bit (1<<1) etc... it feels a bit backwards to me but makes everything easier... does that sound OK or should it be fixed?
10:09:06JdGordonnoone cares one way or the other?
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10:31:03gevaertsRight now it's 10:30 am, but when you pinged me it wasn't
10:31:13gevaertswrong channel...
10:32:16stdsorry for noob question, i have no access to http now. does rockbox have any anti-theft abilities?
10:32:38stdsucha password at startup
10:32:41JdGordonno
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10:33:46wpyhstd: what do you mean by "no access to http"?
10:34:21gevaertswpyh: probably 'no manual or wiki access'
10:34:33stdwpyh: only free IRC port opened for me
10:34:52stdso i can't search on rockbox's forum :(
10:35:13wpyhso you can only access the irc?
10:36:20B4gderah, run your home ssh server on port 6667 and break out of that cage! ;-)
10:36:35*B4gder now goes somewhere else for OT
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10:37:40stdB4gder: :) its only for few days
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10:41:50stdbut "no access to http" was the excuse that i didn't sought the forum for my question :]
10:41:52wpyhdoes anyone know where I can download older ipod firmware versions?
10:42:06stdquestion was about anti-theft system for rockbox
10:42:52stdmaybe someone know this?
10:42:55wpyhstd: what anti-theft system do you mean?
10:43:26stdwpyh: some kind of the access protection. like a password at startup
10:43:41DerPapstwpyh: when the IPL server is back online again try http://ipodlinux.org/Apple_Updaters
10:43:51gevaertsstd: as JdGordon said, there isn't one. And I seriously doubt if that would help
10:43:53DerPapstor use google cache
10:43:56amiconnstd: That wouldn't help anything, because it's easy to circumvent
10:44:21stdhmm..
10:44:30wpyhDerPapst: Thanks. (can't use google cache in China)
10:44:45gevaertsAnd even if it weren't, a thief won't know in advance, so he will still steal it
10:45:18n1sstd: how does a password prevent someone from stealing the ipod?
10:45:24DerPapstah... then you have to wait i guess
10:45:43wpyhyeah
10:45:46*n1s is slow this early :)
10:46:32DerPapstmaybe put a sticker on it? "This ipod is password protected" :P
10:46:53stdn1s: :) but maybe an unusable device will be returned. for some reward
10:47:06n1sDerPapst: but then it's the sticker working :)
10:47:22n1sstd: with subsequent arrest?
10:47:29stdi though that bootloader is the first code that receives control after startup
10:47:37B4gderanti-theft would make the thief throw it away instead of using it
10:47:40gevaertsstd: it will be sold on ebay a 'for parts'
10:47:58B4gderno gain for the original owner anyway
10:48:20n1sstd: all rockbox code on an ipod is stored on disk and is accessible through the emegency diskmode -> easy to circumvent
10:48:25B4gdernot to mention that most concepts would be worked-around quite easily anyway
10:48:50wpyhunless... well, we edit the flash code
10:48:55stdn1s: the guiltly of returner has yet to be proved
10:48:58wpyhhas anyone here ever done so?
10:49:40n1sstd: isn't possession of stolen goods illegal?
10:49:45stdokie, guys, you convinced me)
10:50:39stdn1s: one could say that it found the player on the street. isn't it?
10:50:45std*he found
10:51:35n1sianal but i don't know if that matters
10:51:47n1salso this is getting OT so lets stop here
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12:31:26JdGordonwho the heck blurs part of a bug report screenshot coz they dont want the wps shown off yet?!
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12:54:12PaulJamhi, i'm trying to investigate a bug with a patch (FS #7814) where the time display always disappears after some time on my H300. I have nearly no knowledge about how this low level/driver stuff works, so please bear with me if i ask something stupid. I did some experimenting and it seems as if a call to pcf50606_read(0x02) occassionally causes that register 0x10 of the PCF50606 chip gets modified.Almost everywhere else in the SVN code where pcf50606_
12:54:12PaulJamread* or pcf50606_write* is used for the iriver coldfire targets the fuction disable_irq_save() gets called before. So my question is: what does disable_irq_save() do and what could happen if pcf50606_read() is used without that?
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12:59:42amiconnPaulJam: Access to the pcf50606 on H300 needs to be protected from interrupts, because it is also accessed in interrupt context (button driver)
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13:05:22PaulJamamiconn: so using pcf50606_read() without disable_irq_save() and restore_irq() is a bad idea?
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13:21:41PaulJamJdGordon: btw, will you post an updated merged patch to FS #9051 ?
13:21:42amiconnPaulJam: Depends. If the access already happens in isr context, another disable/enable pair is useless (but it wouldn't hurt)
13:22:37PaulJamamiconn: ok, thank you. i'll try if it fixes the issue.
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13:33:45JdGordonPaulJam: yes, eventually :p
13:34:16JdGordon9027 is also out of sync now, ill fix both a bit later tonight
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14:43:36wpyhdoes anyone here hack cf cards too? or understand how it works? I need some help
14:45:55wpyhthere's this pin 9 on the cf card, called the OE pin
14:46:03wpyhI mean, it carries the -OE signal
14:46:28wpyhthe datasheet for my transcend card says that it needs to be grounded, in order to go to true ide mode
14:46:40wpyhDoes anyone think it's safe to do so?
14:47:34wpyhI mean, is it safe to physically ground the pin?
14:54:48LloreanIs this Rockbox related?
14:57:44wpyhI think so, since I can't run RB on this CF card
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15:00:21LloreanAre you running a new enough bootloader?
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15:01:02wpyhYes, I'm running SVN
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15:01:26LloreanNot build, bootloader.
15:01:36wpyhthe problem seems to be that the BL itself is not loaded... the ipod just keeps on going back to the "restore with itunes" screen
15:02:09LloreanThen that's a problem with the apple flash loader, if you never get to the Rockbox bootloader.
15:02:12wpyhI got the svn repository, so it should contain the BL right? I built it myself
15:02:31wpyhum..
15:02:34LloreanYou have to build, and install, the bootloader separately
15:03:13wpyhyes, I did that
15:03:59LloreanWell, it's irrelevant, since apparently you're never getting to Rockbox code anyway, right?
15:04:09wpyhYes and maybe
15:04:13wpyhI'm not sure
15:04:57LloreanWell, Rockbox certainly never says "Use iTunes to restore"
15:05:12wpyhI think the BL might have been loaded but somehow gets back to the flash code (is this possible?)
15:05:26wpyhright
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15:06:26LloreanIt's not really possible. What gives you cause to think that?
15:07:32wpyhBecause the first time I load an Apple Firmware onto the Firmware partition, the ipod goes into the flashing mode
15:07:43wpyhAnd it flashes successfully (at least didn't give me any errors)
15:09:10LloreanBut without installing Rockbox at all, you still get the "Use iTunes to restore" message?
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15:09:26wpyhI mean, every time I load an Apple Firmware, it does that. After it flashes itself, (I heard) that a flag is set in the Firmware partition, so it doesn't flash itself anymore
15:09:33wpyhYes, I get that message
15:09:52wpyhWas thinking whether it was caused by the second partition not formatted correctly
15:10:32LloreanYes, if it's not formatted correctly, the apple OS will give you that message
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15:11:08wpyhYeah, so I was wondering whether it's caused by RB or by the apple fw
15:11:48LloreanIf you don't install Rockbox, and it still happens, how could it be Rockbox's fault?
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15:13:43wpyhyou mean it couldn't be caused by RB's bootloader crashing or something?
15:14:21LloreanIf Rockbox isn't installed... how could it crash?
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15:15:00wpyhI mean, there are two situations here
15:15:20JdGordonwpyh: can you connect the CF to your computer?
15:15:35wpyh1. Fresh installation of OF, it will flash the flash rom fine, then reboot and goes into the "restore with itunes " screen
15:15:56wpyh2. Patch the FW partition with the BL then reboot and it goes into the "restore with itunes" screen
15:16:04Lloreanwpyh: And thus, in 1), you know the Rockbox bootloader had nothing to do with it.
15:16:19wpyhJdGordon: Not right now. But.. would a CF card reader be fine?
15:16:19keenox does anybody know a good (preferably free) usb monitoring tool?
15:16:24LloreanSince the in-flash bootloader always happens before Rockbox's bootloader, if it fails in 1), it's going to fail in 2)
15:16:31wpyhI can probably borrow it from someone
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15:16:55wpyhLlorean: that's one possibility, yes
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15:17:24LloreanI don't see how you could reasonable expect the Apple bootloader to un-fail once Rockbox is installed.
15:18:54JdGordonwpyh: if you can get the CF adaptor, im pretty sure you can force ipodpatcher to install the bootloader onto it without a ipod actually connected... but if the OF flash loader wont play nice then your up shit creek...
15:19:37wpyhJdGordon: well, I can now actually install the BL already
15:19:53wpyhI was thinking whether this card needs to be forced into True IDE mode for it to work
15:20:18wpyhLlorean: ok, so it seems the problem is with the HW
15:20:29JdGordonhow do you know its installed? iirc ipodpatcher will say it worked even if it hasnt because of certain error
15:20:31JdGordonsa
15:20:52wpyhWell, I ran ipodpatcher and it says it worked :p
15:21:08wpyhAnd if I run it with '-d' then it will delete the BL
15:22:02JdGordonanyone interested in rockbox for greyscale ipods and want to commit FS #5282?
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15:25:28PaulJamamiconn: using disable_irq_save() before and restore_irq() after the pcf50606_read() solved the issue with the disappearing clock for me. I was wondering if you could post a comment to FS #7814 pointing out the issues if you have time. I have trouble formulating a comment and you have much greater knowledge of this stuff, so you can explain it better.
15:25:56LambdaCalculus37JdGordon: I have a 4G greyscale iPod, but it has a broken battery connector; thus I'd like to test it but can't.
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15:36:34espereguany current players that run rockbox?
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15:37:03LambdaCalculus37Just what's listed on the front page at http://www.rockbox.org
15:37:47espereguLambdaCalculus37: that are old models right?
15:38:35LambdaCalculus37Yep.
15:39:15LambdaCalculus37Try eBay if you're looking for a Rockbox-compatible player.
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15:53:44markunthe gigabeat F touchpad changes frustrate me a bit
15:54:26markuna lot of time I select the wrong item because it also senses "down" just before "select"
15:55:20LambdaCalculus37markun: Are you talking about the changes jhMikeS made in r17656?
15:55:33markunyes
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15:55:38Lloreanmarkun: He made it optional
15:55:48LloreanUpdate to a newer build, and it'll default back to the old way, with the sensitive way as an option.
15:55:51markunthen I need to update :)
15:56:06LloreanI already made the very same complaint. I *think* some touchpads are just more sensitive than others.
15:58:38LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Has anyone else mentioned this?
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16:02:49LloreanMentioned what?
16:03:15LloreanThere were bug reports of Rockbox being entirely unusable once the sensitive mode was the default.
16:03:23LloreanPeople were having troubles just being able to navigate.
16:05:13LambdaCalculus37You may be right about some touchpads being more sensitive than others, though. But it's not *the* answer, of course. :)
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16:36:14wpyhguys
16:36:33wpyhI've got a question here: why do we need to reboot after initializing the database?
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16:44:00Lloreanwpyh: Because there's no malloc.
16:45:09wpyhso we can only allocate memory at bootup?
16:45:22LloreanBasically, yes.
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16:46:22mcuelenaere(for the logs): I'll be unavailabe from 6/6 to 20/6 due to exams
16:46:24wpyhok, thanks
16:46:49*wpyh admires mcuelenaere
16:47:00LambdaCalculus37wpyh: Here's some more info: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyNoMalloc
16:47:19LambdaCalculus37mcuelenaere: Good luck on your exams. :)
16:47:22mcuelenaerewpyh: :) are you the rockbox-aholic guy?
16:47:30mcuelenaereLambdaCalculus37: thanks
16:47:50wpyhthanks
16:47:52wpyhyes...
16:48:15mcuelenaere:) I know what's it like
16:48:47*wpyh whispers to mcuelenaere: ssh, Llorean is here
16:49:18mcuelenaereah yes, on-topic.. well then, I'm off
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17:52:59*dionoea just bough a sansa e260. firmware version is 01.01.11E
17:53:04dionoeadoes that mean that i'm lucky?
17:53:23dionoea(I was using mtp-detect and saw a string mentioning portalplayer ... which i wasn't really expecting)
17:53:32LambdaCalculus37dionea: Very lucky. :)
17:53:41LambdaCalculus37Rockbox that baby!
17:53:49dionoeaYay!
17:54:01dionoea(although I bough it to test mtp, so it won't be rockbox only)
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17:55:07LambdaCalculus37dionoea: What else did mtp-detect reveal?
17:55:21dionoea(and the info screen on the device has a portalplayer logo)
17:55:35dionoeaLambdaCalculus37: Nothing really intersting :)
17:55:55dionoeaOther than the supported audio formats in the OF
17:56:03dionoeawhiwh is what I was looking for in the 1st place
17:59:36LambdaCalculus37Most DAPs play so few audio formats in their default firmwares.
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18:00:03LambdaCalculus37Which is bad for those of us who prefer free formats like Vorbis and FLAC... :)
18:00:15dionoeaexactly :)
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18:00:52dionoeaMost of my music is in vorbis ... and this one only does wma, mp3 and wav
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18:01:35LambdaCalculus37dionoea: Are you going to try to see some more about how MTP communicates with DAPs? There was a little talk yesterday about perhaps working on an MTP stack; check the logs.
18:02:03dionoeaNo, I'm mentoring a student implementing MTP support in VLC ... and I didn't have any MTP device :)
18:02:13LambdaCalculus37Ahh.
18:02:25dionoeaSo it's MTP support on the other end ... and no low level stuff since libmtp already does that for us.
18:04:37LambdaCalculus37Ahh, now I see what you're talking about: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080604#14:14:45
18:04:48LambdaCalculus37I missed that little bit on the logs yesterday... ;P
18:05:19dionoea;)
18:06:25dionoeawhat does the "installer" option in configure mean? (as opposed to normal firmware and bootloader)
18:06:47dionoeaThat option doesn't exist in ipod or archos recorder builds.
18:08:29LambdaCalculus37Hmm, good question. Never saw the "installer" option, or I didn't pay attention to it. :)
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18:08:54DerPapstmake install "installs" a simulator build if you've compiles a sim
18:09:36dionoeathat's not the same as the "installer" option in tools/configure is it?
18:09:48*DerPapst not sure and shuts up
18:09:55LambdaCalculus37I know about "make install"; but not about this "installer" option.
18:10:09*LambdaCalculus37 usually runs "make && make install"
18:11:48dionoeaYay! I've got rockbox runing. That was one unexpected surprise.
18:12:11dionoeaIs USB http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080604#14:14:45
18:12:14dionoea http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080604#14:14:45
18:12:17dionoeaoops
18:12:27dionoeastupid touch pad.
18:12:37DerPapst:P
18:12:46dionoeaSo I was going to ask: Is USB support safe on the e200s ?
18:12:59dionoea(I had some corruption issues on the iPod Video 30G)
18:13:00scorche|shdid you enable it?
18:13:05dionoeaNope
18:13:18LambdaCalculus37I enabled USB on my iPod and c200. No problems here.
18:14:16LambdaCalculus37Run ../tools/configure, and edit the Makefile; at the EXTRA_DEFINES line, add -DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB.
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18:14:20LambdaCalculus37Then save and make.
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18:14:34dionoeaBtw, the new default theme looks good. Congrats to whoever made it.
18:14:38*LambdaCalculus37 knows that he just gave instructions for USB 1.1 speed
18:15:53dionoeaisn't hi speed mode stable enough to use?
18:15:59dionoea*high
18:16:44LambdaCalculus37Ask gevaerts.
18:16:50dionoeagevaerts: ping!
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18:18:13gevaertsdionoea: pong
18:19:03dionoeaIs High Speed USB reliable on Sansa e200?
18:19:31*dionoea just got a new one ... and was lucky enough to have it be one of the old versions.
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18:19:53gevaertsGood question...
18:20:13dionoea;)
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18:21:04*gevaerts sidesteps the question
18:21:22dionoeaI'll give it a try then ;)
18:21:24gevaertsUSB is pretty reliable if you don't have hubs in between (with hubs it depends)
18:21:30morghanphoenixam I reading this right? Rockbox scans the drive for tagged files rather than using the ipod database thing right? So could I just drop my files onto the hard drive and force a scan of the drive rather than do an ipod update?
18:21:35gevaertsThe sansa ata/flash driver however...
18:22:12LambdaCalculus37Yes, we don't read the iPod database at all. As long as your files are tagged properly, they'll show up in the Rockbox database.
18:22:37LambdaCalculus37And you can simply just copy files onto your iPod in the style of an external hard drive.
18:22:49morghanphoenixNice, copy only, I can get rid of all those kpod files and make a directory that actually makes a bit of sense :)
18:22:54dionoeagevaerts: other question, can rockbox expose the microSD card's content instead of the internal flash through USB?
18:23:34morghanphoenixbut it doesn't support the id3v2 in-tag jpeg album art does it?
18:23:51LambdaCalculus37If you want (and if you don't mind copying all of the music over again ;)), you can delete the iPod_Control folder from your iPod, then copy all of your music into a new folder structure of your choice.
18:23:53gevaertsdionoea: yes. Now the interesting bit : on my c250 the microSD has guaranteed data corruption after copying a few hundred MB over USB. Internal is much better
18:24:20LambdaCalculus37morghanphoenix: No, Rockbox only supports album art in bitmap format.
18:24:27gevaertsdionoea: However, c200 and e200 seem to behave differently here, so I don't know what your experiences will be
18:24:40LambdaCalculus37See this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt
18:24:55gevaertsdionoea: I saw you mentionned corruption issues on ipod earlier. What sort of corruption ?
18:24:55morghanphoenixYeah, the ipod dbase is all mp3 reencodes of ogg files, I need to redo all the files anyways.
18:25:21LambdaCalculus37morghanphoenix: Bad idea, going lossy to lossy like that. :)
18:25:37LambdaCalculus37Why not rip as FLAC and then you can transcode those to MP3?
18:25:47LambdaCalculus37Lossless to lossy is a better idea, IMHO.
18:25:48morghanphoenixyeah, all the discs are long gone, and the ipod needed mp3.
18:25:50dionoeagevaerts: the FAT partition was all messed up because of illegal filenames ... which must have been due to corruption
18:25:58dionoeaI don't know if it was using a recent rockbox build though
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18:26:27LambdaCalculus37morghanphoenix: Not anymore, it doesn't. ;)
18:27:08LambdaCalculus37Then again, I haven't touched my iPod's OF in... jeeze, I don't know how long!
18:27:13morghanphoenixdon't happen to know where all those pictures from the ipod got dumped do you. I no longer have a windows computer to reset the ipod with and there are lots of pictures on there.
18:27:28LambdaCalculus37What model?
18:27:29gevaertsdionoea: hm. I wouldn't expect that sort of corruption.
18:27:51morghanphoenix5 or 5.5
18:28:36LambdaCalculus37Search through the iPod_Control folder on the root of the hard drive for any picture files, then move them all into a separate folder on your iPod (e.g. Pictures).
18:28:49morghanphoenixthere's a photos folder, but it only has a db file and a folder for thumbs with a few .ithumb files in it
18:28:52gevaertsdionoea: We had that with experimental patches, but those versions didn't appear in svn, and that was long before high speed support
18:29:31dionoeaHum, maybe it was an old weird version of rockbox runing :) (not with any usb patches though)
18:30:02dionoeaWhere is the microSD exported? Doesn't looks like /dev/sdb2 is the microSD
18:30:23dionoeaOr is that default disabled in the code due to the corruption issues?
18:30:39gevaertsNo. That's the firmware partition. microSD should be /dev/sdc
18:30:52dionoeahum ... doesn't show here
18:31:02*gevaerts guesses. gentoo or ubuntu ?
18:31:06dionoeaDoes it need a special kernel option to have 2 devices on the same usb connection
18:31:11dionoeadebian but custom kernel
18:31:26morghanphoenixwhat about all the db and ithumb files? they're pretty damn big
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18:32:35gevaertsdionoea: You need either CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y, or (but I'm not sure about this one) set the max_luns parameter for scsi_mod to a sane value
18:32:56gevaertsWhat does cat /sys/module/scsi_mod/parameters/max_luns give you ?
18:33:07dionoea1
18:33:12dionoeashould I try setting it at 2 ?
18:33:34gevaertsYes (or higher)
18:34:37dionoeaLooks like it worked.
18:34:38dionoeaThanks
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18:35:22gevaertsYou'll need the same thing if you ever want to use a multi-card reader
18:36:03dionoeaI'll just enable the SCSI_MULTI_LUN option in my kernel
18:36:42gevaertsmodules.conf (or wherever that is these days) can also help
18:37:46dionoeaI have scsi builtin my kernel ... so I don't know if that would work. Maybe as a kernel option in grub.
18:38:14gevaertsmaybe
18:39:07dionoeaDoes USB charging work ok on e200 in rockbox?
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18:43:32gevaertsI don't think so. It might charge a bit, but it won't charge fully and it will be slow (unless I'm not following developments properly)
18:44:19dionoeaSo that means that you need to switch to OF to charge?
18:44:29LambdaCalculus37Best thing to do for now.
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18:48:54pondlifePaulJam: Did I update http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7814 suitably?
18:49:19pondlifeI note that the pcf50605 RTC code isn't disabling IRQs though.
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18:55:29PaulJampondlife: in your patch could you check the rtc_check_alarm_flag() function? it seems to return before setting the old irq level. and for h300 you define HAVE_RTC_ALARM twice. but apart from that i think i basically did the same changes.
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18:57:05pondlifeThanks, just fixing...
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19:03:00PaulJampondlife: another thing: you sometimes use restore_irq() and sometimes set_irq_level() . was that intended?
19:03:22pondlifeNo... ;)
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19:05:35pondlifedisable_irq_save()/restore_irq() is preferred, I'd think?
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19:07:26PaulJampondlife: i don't know.
19:09:45pondlifeOK, updated patch is there.
19:10:26pondlifeThe const police are itching to raid rtc_write_datetime(), but some targets update the buffer in place :/
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19:21:32PaulJampondlife: btw, can't check if the alarm still works with these changes because i still use the official bootloader, so could you test that when you have access to yout h300 again?
19:21:50pondlifeYes, I guess so.
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19:22:06pondlifeI'm still running an RTC alarm patched bootloader from a year ago.
19:22:18pondlifeI guess that will work..
19:24:53amiconnpondlife: Why should the pcf50605 rtc code disable interrupts?
19:25:17pondlifeI don't know if it should.
19:25:24amiconnIt is only necessary if the pcf5060x is accessed from within isr context as well
19:25:37amiconnThat happens on H300 (and X5 and M5), but not on ipods
19:25:47pondlifeThe pcf50605 code isn't used for keys at all then?
19:26:19amiconnNo, the buttons are hooked up very different in ipods and other pp targets
19:26:53pondlifeI was more thinking of a pcf5060x, not any particular target.
19:27:48amiconnNo target having pcf50605 uses it for button reading
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19:28:57amiconnIn fact it can't, because the 50605 has no adc, unlike the 50606
19:29:09pondlifeThat's a good reason.
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19:41:33saratogado MACs on coldfire's EMAC unit operate at 32x32=64 precision or something else?
19:43:07amiconn32x32+48->48
19:43:10amiconnSee coldfire manual
19:43:39saratogaah that makes more sense
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20:13:09webguest64I cannot play music on my ipod using rockbox, it shows the song playing but no sound, it says missing codec/ no rockbox directory : installation incomplete
20:13:46wpyhit says what it sees
20:14:02wpyhthat means you probably didn't install Rockbox correctly
20:14:22wpyhdid you build it yourself or download a binary?
20:14:35webguest64I just downloaded the program
20:14:44domonokywebguest64: make sure you have a ".rockbox" dir in the root of your player ..
20:14:50BigBambiwebguest64: which program?
20:15:05webguest64i think i know where i went wrong
20:15:13BigBambiand missing coded means that you have not a build properly extracted to the player, only the binary
20:15:17BigBambi*codec
20:15:26webguest64i copied the files from .rockbox not the file
20:15:31BigBambieh?
20:15:43BigBambiYou should extract the zip file directly to your player
20:16:06*bluebrother points to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility
20:16:09BigBambiSo that, as domonoky said, you end up with a .rockbox directory at the highest (root) level
20:16:35bluebrotherand Rockbox is not a program. It's a firmware ...
20:16:42webguest64along with "notes" "calender" ect
20:16:47Buschelwpyh: regarding your ipod scrollwhell issue. you may change "if (status & 0x40000000)" to "if ((btn==BUTTON_NONE) && (status & 0x40000000))" in firmware/target/arm/ipod/button-clickwheel.c, function ipod_4g_button_read()
20:16:48BigBambiNote the full stop in front - it is important
20:17:10bluebrotheruse Rockbox Utility −− it's much easier.
20:17:11BigBambiwebguest64: I still don't know what you did - make life easy for you and us and use rbutil as bluebrother said
20:17:13wpyhBuschel: I'll make note of that
20:17:35webguest64thanks
20:17:44Buschelwpyh: this should avoid scrollwheel activity while button presses
20:17:53wpyhOh
20:18:09wpyhActually I found that the scrollwheel already works
20:18:32wpyhI mean, it works as expected
20:18:46bluebrotherhmm. Do we intend to provide 64bit binaries of sansapatcher again?
20:19:03BigBambiI would imagine ideally so
20:19:09wpyhI tried this: 1) hold down the play button, while 2) scrolling up and down
20:19:14BigBambialong with 64bit rbutil
20:19:16wpyhthe result: RB powers down
20:19:17LambdaCalculus37I see no reason not to.
20:19:21BigBambijust needs someone to build it :)
20:19:25bluebrotherBigBambi: would be nice too.
20:19:39bluebrotherwe are also missing a OS X build of current rbutil :(
20:19:54BigBambiyes, not so easy to sort that
20:20:45wpyhBuschel: so my click wheel problems must be related to something else (don't know what, yet)
20:20:51LambdaCalculus37We need an OS X-using kind soul to provide that for us.
20:21:21wpyhbtw, who is the webmaster (the one who manages the website and wiki) around here?
20:21:36wpyhI think the wiki could be improved somewhat
20:21:42BigBambiwpyh: Bagder_ , LinusN and Zagor are the head honchos
20:21:55Buschelwpyh: ok, if you've still have suggestions about some issue in the scrollwhell driver -> ask :)
20:22:01wpyhok, thanks
20:22:05wpyhBuschel: ok :)
20:22:22wpyhfor example, http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility redirects to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility
20:22:22*bluebrother remembers his suggestion regarding diffstat and stylesheets for the website
20:22:35BigBambiwpyh: then change it - it is a wiki....
20:22:45wpyhit would be better if it behaves like Wikipedia
20:22:48BigBambiignore me
20:22:51BigBambiThat is normal
20:22:59BigBambiit is just a shortcut for typing
20:23:06bluebrotherwpyh: well, it's at least nice we have this shortcut using /wiki/
20:23:41bluebrotherthis issue has been talked about earlier. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be easily possible to make the URLs nicer
20:23:46wpyhyes, but using mediawiki I can make the pages appear as <server>/wiki/Article, and doesn't change the address bar contents to <server>/wiki/index.php?Article
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20:24:01wpyhoh...
20:24:16bluebrotherbut this isn't mediawiki ;-)
20:24:38BigBambithe pros and cons of different wiki software has also been discussed IIRC
20:24:46BigBambicheck out the logs to be sure...
20:24:53wpyhok
20:25:07wpyhI'm not suggesting we change to a different wiki software though :)
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20:25:38bluebrotherif you figure how to make the links nicer please tell ;)
20:25:59wpyhwell, I've only set up mediawiki before :p
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20:32:03webguest64ok I have it working, thanks much. But another question, I just started computer programming using C++, is there a way to make a C++ program for rockbox?
20:32:15wpyhgreat :)
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20:32:22LambdaCalculus37No, only plain C.
20:32:24wpyhI think C++ is not supported, but the devs can answer that
20:32:32*wpyh is slow on keyboards...
20:32:45LambdaCalculus37RButil is in C++.
20:32:53*LambdaCalculus37 looks to bluebrother for the answer
20:33:13LambdaCalculus37But Rockbox itself is plain C with some assembler for platform-specific bits.
20:33:21bluebrotherrbutil is c++ using Qt4
20:33:28wpyhI think RBUtil is in C++ purely because of the Qt dependency
20:33:49bluebrotherwell, theoretically you could write plugins in c++. But there's no stdlib available, so ...
20:33:58webguest64I am using Dev C++ as a compiler, can i use that at all
20:34:03gevaertswpyh: that's a bit of a chicken and egg reasoning
20:34:20wpyhgevaerts: uh... no?
20:34:33bluebrotherwebguest64: you can use devc++ to build c++ programs. You can't use any host compiler to build binaries to run on a Rockboxed device
20:34:34webguest64sorry i have no clue , just checking
20:34:53LambdaCalculus37webguest64: Windows or Linux?
20:35:00wpyhwebguest64: if you know c++, I think you know c
20:35:05bluebrotherwpyh: there's another reason: the "original" rbutil was based on wxwidgets and its original author, Cassandra, choose c++ for it.
20:35:21bluebrotherwpyh: you're aware that c++ is not just only a superset of c?
20:35:30gevaertswpyh: (not that I know about it...). As far as I know RBUtil follows a "standard" c++/qt design. If it were "just for qt", you could do a c-style thing with some bindings
20:35:30bluebrotherLambdaCalculus37: I think devc++ is windows only
20:35:40wpyhbluebrother: oh, I thought it was because it used Qt
20:36:00bluebrotherno we ported it to Qt later.
20:36:00LambdaCalculus37webguest64: Some pages for you: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
20:36:08wpyhwell, I heard that before, but I think C++ is more complex than C, so you can take your C++ knowledge, shape it a bit, and then start writing C code
20:36:08wpyh:D
20:36:10domonokyrbutil was c++ before it used Qt.. :-)
20:36:21wpyhoh..
20:36:25LambdaCalculus37Also http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile
20:36:33*bluebrother notices domonoky being slow today ;-)
20:36:35wpyhbtw I've never used RBUtil :p
20:36:49bluebrotherwpyh: then you should! Go! Now! ;-)
20:36:54*domonoky is slow, but coded on both versions of rbutil :-)
20:37:02bluebrotherhehe
20:37:14*bluebrother takes the blame for killing rbutil wx
20:37:25wpyhbluebrother: I was a bit afraid it would mess up with my setup
20:37:37wpyhRBUtil is GUI-only, right?
20:37:49bluebrotheryes. But there's a cli interface patch in the tracker
20:37:57domonokywpyh: i started a cli version of rbutil, its in the tracker...
20:38:04domonokytoo slow again.. :-/
20:38:25bluebrotherwe're currently doing some code cleanup ... eventually we can have two versions rather easily
20:38:33bluebrother(or at least I hope so ;-)
20:38:36wpyhok
20:38:36*LambdaCalculus37 gives domonoky some coffee for caffeine
20:38:47wpyhso is it a library/interface design?
20:38:59bluebrothernot yet.
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20:39:11wpyhok, but a CLI is nice :)
20:39:23*wpyh never gets sudo/su with GUI right
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20:39:49bluebrotherneed to adjust xhost?
20:40:06wpyhxhost?
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20:40:21*wpyh wonders what happened to BigBambi (or his computer)
20:40:25domonokywpyh: feel free to improve the cli patch, its probably a bit outdated... and i dont have enough time to work on it..
20:40:48wpyhdomonoky: I probably don't have enough time either, but I'll take a look
20:41:28bluebrotherwpyh: beware that I'm currently rewriting the bootloader installation stuff. Things will change quite a bit
20:41:59wpyhI'll just take a look, won't change anything there
20:42:06wpyhI've got a lot in my TODO anyway :p
20:42:15*bluebrother wouldn't mind someone updating the patch
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20:44:47wpyhby the way, I'm still searching for a compatible cf card for my ipod video 5.5g
20:44:58wpyhhas anyone here successfully done such a mod?
20:45:45bluebrotheryou're aware there's a wiki page about CF mods?
20:46:36wpyhyes, but I didn't find a compatibility list for the 5.5gen ipod
20:46:47wpyhit only talks about the cf card adapter
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20:50:34bluebrotherdomonoky: I figures that designer added some weird html for the longer labels −− but it also works if you use only tags.
20:51:05bluebrotherI'm going to change that (it also makes those labels use the default font size which is a bit bigger than currently used)
20:51:24domonokyjup change it, it got probably in by accident..
20:51:53bluebrotherI think it got added by using the "edit rich text" menu. I believe it was me who did that ...
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21:14:44wpyhI added some card information on the CFModGuide page. Modders, please add more information.
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22:06:27Sakuiwhat version of firmware does the Sansa View need in order to be in UMS mode?
22:07:40scorche|shno clue and off-topic
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22:25:35Buschelsaratoga: you are working on mp3-optimization right now?
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22:31:25keenoxhello
22:31:49keenoxwho should i talk to in order to be able to contribute to the wiki pages?
22:33:23pixelmawhat's your wiki name?
22:36:11keenoxRaduCoriu
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22:37:20pixelmaanything specific that you want to change? And do you promise not to spam? ;)
22:37:41keenoxi wanted to add some pics of the x20 pcb
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22:37:51keenoxi'll not spam
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22:38:52keenoxi think i'll add the pics tomorrow 'cause it's pretty late now
22:39:39keenoxare you in charge of the wk
22:39:44keenoxwiki pages?
22:41:27pixelmanot really, but I can add you to the list of people with "write access". Speaking of which you should now be able to edit pages
22:41:38keenoxthanks
22:41:47keenoxi just checked and it works
22:42:42keenoxcan i add the pics directly to the wiki page or i can use only links?
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22:43:30keenoxbye bye
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22:44:56pixelmathat was quick...
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23:16:08saratogaBuschel: yeah I want to look at mp3
23:16:20saratogai read through the spec and the mad source code
23:16:29saratogagoing to try some improvised profiling tonight
23:16:47saratogaseems to me the issue is probably the excessive use of 64 bit ints
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23:21:47saratogaanyway i need to go out for a while, probably have questions for you later
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23:27:42dionoeaAre the sansa and the ipod connectors the same?
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23:28:28dionoea(the 2 small dents on the side of the ipod one are a bit small than the sansas... but otherwise they look really similar)
23:29:08krazykitdionoea, they pinout is different, so you shouldn't plug one into the other
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23:29:36dionoeaah ok, that's what I wanted to check before trying it out :)
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23:33:13dionoeaalso something I noticed when using the sansa with rockbox (not sure if it does it too with the OF): when you use a key it creates some noise in the headphones. could be some kind of interference in the circuit I guess.
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