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#rockbox log for 2008-06-07

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01:02:21robin0800trying to put my wps C200 in the wiki can't get data below the existing theme please help
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01:12:14robin0800perhaps the attachment on that page isn't inserted correctly?
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01:23:43pixelmaI don't see any edits of you at all, what seems to be wrong to me is the −−−−+!! at the top - in other pages it's only three minus in front but I don't know if that's the reason other things don't show...
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01:26:22pixelmanow I see there was something attached but one can't see it
01:27:42robin0800pixelma, yes the second one is a mistake and needs to be deleted but I can't
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01:32:06*pixelma deletes suggestion... :\
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01:34:22pixelmahope robin0800 notices the change anyway and goes ahead editing...
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01:38:16Dark_ApostropheI recall someone mentioning that one can use Ipodvideo batteries for the gigabeat, with some modification. I found this one that's very cheap, and am wondering if it's usable?: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.570
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01:38:27Dark_ApostropheIt's a cheap, probably chinese thing, but still
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01:50:14Dark_Apostropheoh... it's ipod 4g
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03:22:48wiley111Anyone here able to answer questions about rockbox ? :)
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03:23:22advcomp2019wiley111, yea if ask
03:23:49wiley111I hit "build database" on my ipod (30GB video) and it told me to reboot. i turned off the ipod and now it will not turn back on and my computer doesn't recognize it. it appears "dead"
03:24:16{nathanhpc}Is it normal to be unable to turn off my iPod after installing rockbox? I hold play and it just reboots back into rockbox.
03:27:05wiley111no dice
03:27:06wiley111?
03:29:04wiley111is my ipod dead forever?
03:30:14krazykit1wiley111, try charging it with a wall charger?
03:30:41wiley111I can try that, but it was fully charged - let me graab wall charger and see if it'll boot
03:31:37wiley111nope:(
03:32:05wiley111sheesh this sucks
03:32:20krazykit1try leaving it on the charger overnight
03:32:31krazykit1just building the database will NOT damage your ipod
03:32:47krazykit1it sounds more like the issue people have with the apple firmware thinking the battery is low
03:33:15wiley111i see, the ipod doesn't do anything tho when i plug it in
03:33:22wiley111it doesnt say its charging when plugged into the wall
03:33:40wiley111it doesnt do anything at all, if plugged into the wall or the computer...no response
03:34:33wiley111if i could get the computer to just recognize it i could revert everything back to normal, but i can't even get that
03:35:03krazykit1you may just want to wait til someone more familiar with ipods comes along
03:35:16wiley111k
03:35:41wiley111i wonder if apple has tech support?
03:36:01krazykit1not if you installed rockbox
03:36:29krazykit1but your ipod is not unrecoverable
03:36:55wiley111i dont care about the data on it, i have it all on my p
03:36:59wiley111pc - i just want the thing to work
03:37:32wiley111seems like i got a big problem here because i can't get any response from the ipod
03:37:58wiley111:/
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03:52:23wiley111I hit "build database" on my ipod (30GB video) and it told me to reboot. i turned off the ipod and now it will not turn back on and my computer doesn't recognize it. it appears "dead"
03:52:33wiley111anyone have a clue?
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04:09:51homieloweNew gigabeat s installation of rockbox, http://pastebin.com/m71f56551 , hangs there with constant disk activity. The bootloader usb mode works though.
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04:26:05wiley111were u talking to me homielower
04:26:10wiley111homielowe
04:27:17homielowewiley111: I was just posing a question to the general public on irc.
04:30:19homielowewiley111: Sometimes the ipod video after a shutoff has this bug when it won't turn on again until you manually resent it, so flick the hold switch on then off, then hold menu+select ( up to 30 seconds) until you see the apple logo
04:30:39homielowes/resent/reset
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04:35:44wiley111homie ur the man
04:36:09homieloweYour welcome :)
04:37:04wiley111now if i can just find the video settings
04:37:07wiley111on this rockbox app
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04:41:36wiley111rockbox needs mpeg, not mp4?
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04:43:39homielowewiley111: It is better to construct full sentences instead of using the enter key as the space bar, please take that into future consideration, also http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer , it helps read the manual or search the wiki before asking :)
04:44:15wiley111i did read, my question was just a verification question
04:44:41wiley111I just converted two movies to mp4 because I believe that is what apple uses
04:44:50wiley111And now my converter is crashing when I try to go to mpeg
04:45:11wiley111but, at least my ipod is alive
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04:49:35wiley111anyone suggest a good freeware avi to mpeg converter?
04:50:09advcomp2019the wiki has a good one
04:50:27wiley111the wiki?
04:51:07advcomp2019the PluginMpegplayer wiki page that homielowe linked you too
04:51:36wiley111ah coo
04:51:37wiley111thx
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05:01:27wiley111dang im dumb i cant find it
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05:10:18advcomp2019wiley111, you see the area called encoding on that wiki page?
05:16:34wiley111yup
05:16:43wiley111i downloaded ffmpeg and i was in the command prompt trying to figure it out
05:16:46wiley111but i couldnt
05:17:03wiley111such a headache - i cant believe there isn't an easy program to find that will convert AVI to MPEG
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05:17:34wiley111I just downloaded a program called EZ AVI to MPEG - I tryed to put an AVI file in there and it said invalid file type LOL
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05:18:22advcomp2019winff is great for a gui interface and it is easy
05:19:44wiley111well i am not good with non-clickable programs
05:20:01wiley111using DOS to do shit is archaic
05:20:32wiley111i can't understand why rockbox would want to support mpeg and not mp3
05:20:35wiley111er, mp4
05:20:58wiley111Would make life a lot easier to try to have video formats standardized
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05:22:06scorchewiley111: feel free to implement mp4 support
05:22:22scorcheavi isnt a format...it is a container
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05:22:33wiley111oh god here we go
05:22:46scorchewhat?
05:22:58wiley111to me its a file extension
05:23:03wiley111and its a shitty one at that
05:23:11scorchehuh?
05:23:11wiley111because i cant find anything to convert it to mpeg
05:23:17scorcheit isnt a format
05:23:25scorcheit can hold any number of different codecs inside
05:23:39scorchefrom mp2, mp4, h.264, divx, xvid....many many
05:23:41wiley111ok well, you seem to know a lot about it
05:23:58wiley111how about pointing me to an easy to use converter
05:24:17scorchethe ones in the wiki tell you exactly what to do
05:24:18wiley111to change the AVI file to MPEG
05:24:27wiley111dued
05:24:30scorchestop saying that...avi is not a format
05:24:35wiley11199.9% of the population doesnt know how to do that crap
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05:24:37scorchei dont knwo what is inside it
05:24:46scorchethe wiki page tells you exactly how
05:24:47wiley111i didnt say it was a format
05:24:52wiley111i said convert AVI to MPEG
05:25:07scorcheright...avi can already BE mpeg
05:25:08advcomp2019avi is not a format tho
05:25:20scorchelike i said...it is a container
05:25:22wiley111so I can just change the file extension
05:25:27wiley111And it'll work/
05:25:32scorcheno
05:25:40wiley111Let me rephrase my question then since u guys wanna be hard heads
05:25:52wiley111I need a program that will change AVI file extensions to MPEG file extensions
05:26:10scorcheyou likely need to change more than just the extension
05:26:16wiley111I don't care what the format or container or whatever is inside the current AVI - I need the extension changed to mpeg so it'll play on rockbox
05:26:33wiley111Yes, I figured so - Surely there is a non-archaic program that will allow me to do so
05:26:40scorcheyou may not care, but whatever program you are trying to use to convert will care very much
05:26:52scorchewhy dont you want to use the ones in the wiki?
05:26:58wiley111Because I tryed
05:27:01wiley111and it didnt work
05:27:05wiley111FFMpeg is garbage
05:27:24scorchewell, what format is teh video inside of the avi?
05:27:42wiley111Well let me see, it'll be different for each avi
05:28:03scorcheyou do know that there is more than just ffmpeg in the wiki page, right?
05:28:22wiley111yes
05:28:28wiley111Mediacoder gives me an error
05:28:32wiley111and the others are the same DOS based crap
05:28:40scorcheDOS based crap?
05:28:48wiley111yup
05:28:53advcomp2019did you try winff? and dos is not crap
05:29:00wiley111i tryed winff
05:29:08scorchethat doesnt make any sense...none of those programs are based on DOS
05:29:09wiley111and anything that requries use of a command prompt is crap
05:29:14scorche...
05:29:31wiley111scorche we don't need to argue technaclities
05:29:36wiley111u know what im sayin
05:29:42scorchei dont...
05:29:45wiley111u do
05:29:53wiley111u just wanna be a smart ass
05:30:05wiley111u did it with the AVI thing and again with the command prompt
05:30:07scorchestop saying "u" please...we have guidelines about this sort of thing
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05:30:16wiley111the specifics dont matter, u know exactly what im talking abuot
05:30:34wiley111sad
05:30:34scorchei really dont...you arent making sense likely because you are using the wrong terms
05:30:39scorchesad?
05:30:48wiley111What did I say that didn't make sense
05:31:09wiley111?
05:31:34advcomp2019the letter "u"
05:31:43wiley111you can't make sense of that?
05:31:55scorchewell, first off, you cant convert an avi to anything since avi isnt a format...you need to convert whatever the video format inside the avi is to mpeg2....secondly, none of those programs are based off of DOS
05:32:14wiley111Exactly scorche
05:32:16scorcheyour refusal to use anything command-line based isnt helping the matter
05:32:22wiley111You knew what I was talking about the whole time
05:32:31scorcheno...i didnt
05:32:57wiley111So I was making sense, I just wasn't speaking in nerd talk (no pun intended)
05:33:05wiley111Yea, you did, because you just typed it all out
05:33:31scorchethe wiki tells you EXACTLY what to type inside the command line...is it really so hard to type what is said there?
05:33:35wiley111I did
05:33:40wiley111says error
05:33:43wiley111u want an SS?
05:33:50scorchewhat error?
05:33:54wiley111lemme retype it
05:33:57advcomp2019what is SS
05:33:57wiley111and ill tell u
05:34:01wiley111screen shot
05:34:09scorchestop saying "u"...second warning...
05:34:19wiley111wtf
05:34:24wiley111why can't i say that?
05:34:29scorchehave you read the guidelines?
05:34:39wiley111Nope
05:34:52scorcheplease do...they are linked in the topic
05:34:53advcomp2019there is guidelines.. read them please
05:35:06wiley111I am not doubting the rule
05:35:15wiley111Just asking for the reason for it
05:35:30scorchethat is said on that page...as i said, please go read it
05:35:41wiley111k
05:36:32wiley111nope, no reason why
05:36:49scorcheyes, there is
05:37:23scorche4th sentence
05:37:41wiley111I see the rule
05:37:47wiley111But it doesn't say why no slang
05:37:58scorche4th sentence...not number 4
05:38:19wiley111LOL
05:38:26wpyhgevaerts: I did some more analysis on the DFU dump
05:38:29wiley111sorry
05:38:32wiley111LAUGH OUT LOUD
05:38:35scorche...
05:38:44scorcheis there something funny?
05:38:45wiley111now, let me get you that error
05:39:08wiley111Ok, im assuming the AVI file needs to be in the FF directory
05:39:14wiley111so....making a copy of it there
05:39:36wpyh(guys, sorry for interrupting you in the middle, I'm speaking here for the logs)
05:39:54scorcheyou dont need to worry about interrupting in here ;)
05:39:59wpyhok ;)
05:40:11scorcheIRC is nicely multithreaded
05:40:38wpyhyeah, you just have to find the right message directed to you :)
05:40:39wiley111Ok - Can I paste you what I'm gonna type as the command line?
05:41:00scorcheuse a pastebin if it is more than 2 lines
05:41:10wiley111ok, it is not
05:43:27wiley111ffmpeg -i 28days.avi -s 220x166 -vcodec mpeg2video -b 200k -ab 192k -ac 2 -ar 44100 -acodec mp3 28dayz.mpg
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05:44:25scorchewhat device?
05:44:29wiley111says
05:44:32wiley111unknown encoder mp3
05:45:07wiley111what device? im not sure what you are asking me
05:45:18scorcheuse winff..it is a bit easier than ffmpeg
05:45:52wiley111ok - downloading
05:48:18wiley111you gonna watch the belmont stakes tomorrow?
05:48:58wiley111ok i got winff open
05:49:10wiley111wow this looks easy, please work
05:49:28wiley111wait, what do i convert to? mpeg isn't an option
05:50:01wpyhgevaerts: I've exported the data sent from the host to device, and found that it is indeed from M6SL_V2.004.6_Meizu_En.rar
05:50:35wpyhgevaerts: The reason why the sent data is smaller than the firmware, is that the sent data exported misses some bytes. I'll look into this later
05:50:41scorchewiley111: look at the 3 step process on the wiki page...and belmont stakes is not related to rockbox...last warning on the guidelines...
05:51:30wpyhgevaerts: So, the sent data consists of the file updateNAND_BE_070831.dfu, then a 16-byte string (terminator or something), then M6SL.ebn from the original firmware, then another 16-byte string (another terminator maybe)
05:51:41wiley111sorry
05:52:01wiley111I read the guidelines
05:52:18wiley111I have the AVI open...and I have several options to choose for which to "convert" t
05:52:21wiley111*to
05:53:01wiley111rockbox?
05:53:04scorcheright...did you pick your device as it is said to do in the wiki?
05:53:12wpyhgevaerts: the file updateNAND_BE_070831.dfu is modified in the sent data: in the file itself, byte 0x24-0x27 is 0x12 0x34 0x56 0x78, while the sent data is 0x80 0xd7 0x00 0x00
05:53:47wiley111oh i see...now i must see if i have 16:9 or 4:3 on my ipod
05:53:52wpyhgevaerts: the first 16-byte string between the updateNAND_BE_070831.dfu and M6SL.ebn is "00 01 40 01 19 04 00 01 55 46 44 10 3f e0 41 16"
05:54:14wiley111thank for your help
05:54:31wpyhgevaerts: the second 16-byte string at the end, after M6SL.ebn is "00 01 40 01 19 04 00 01 55 46 44 10 59 30 a9 9d"
05:55:00wiley111it is encoding
05:55:28wpyhgevaerts: those may not be sent data after all, and they might be some device enumeration protocol decoded incorrectly by the tracer software, then exported to the file. I hope this info might help
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06:00:55homielowewiley111: You are converting for a 5th generation correct? It is better to use the original firmware to watch videos, watching videos under rockbox are slow on the 5g's large screen and more of a novelty.
06:01:30wiley111i installed rockbox because i was tired of having to use itunes to access my ipod files
06:01:42wiley111I wanted it work like a traditional hard drive, so my friend told me to put rockbox on it
06:02:00wiley111but I just got a $4 cord in today that runs from the audio out into the RCAs so I can send video to my TV
06:02:18wiley111so I want to convert my AVI movies on my PC to stuff that can be put on my ipod
06:02:23wiley111and played onto my TV in my room
06:03:32wiley111the movies gonna be choppy or something?
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06:06:55scorcheyou do know that we dont support the tv-out functionality yet, correct?
06:07:40wiley111no :(
06:08:16wiley111To take rockbox off, I am assuming I just delete the .rockbox folder?
06:09:03scorchedont assume...follow the uninstall instructions in the manual...however, the bootloader is dual-boot, so it isnt like you cant access the apple firmware anymore
06:09:38wiley111lol
06:09:43wiley111i just deleted the folder
06:09:46wiley111gr
06:09:51wiley111sorry
06:10:11scorchegood...now you still get to follow the instructions in the manual
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06:11:09wiley111hmmm? where is the uninstallation manual
06:11:50scorchethere only one manual...with lots of useful information in it
06:14:28wiley111so annoying
06:14:37wiley111i can't get my computer to recognize the ipod so i can reinstall rockbox
06:15:18wiley111got it :)
06:20:32wiley111well great, now itunes won't let me copy the mp4's to my video libruary
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07:53:27amiconnwow!
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07:53:46*amiconn just got up, and found his mini G2 still playing :D
07:54:42amiconnUsual runtime with microdrive was around 9 hours. Now with CF it's already at 13:30 and still going...
07:56:32amiconnI think that proves my theory that disk access is the remaining problem to reach OF runtime on PP, and not codec efficiency
07:57:29amiconnThe PP ATA controller supports DMA, even UDMA. If we knew how to use that, the disk access times would go down significantly
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08:33:57amiconnpetur: Did you perform a runtime test on your CF modded iriver yet?
08:38:16peturno :/
08:38:44amiconnI would be very interested in the results....
08:39:10peturit has an old battery anyway, so I'll need to put my 40GB disk in it to be able to evaluate the numbers
08:39:15amiconnMy mini is now at 14 hours and going; runtime with microdrive used to be around 9 hours
08:39:23peturwhoa!
08:39:59amiconnGo back around 45 minutes in the log for conclusions...
08:40:53amiconnBattery icon is flashing now though
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08:42:08peturamiconn: maybe, but then again the CF uses so little power compared to the microdrive it may well mask an unrelated power problem
08:42:24amiconnWhat problem would that be?
08:42:25peturhoow does OF work with CF?
08:42:29petur*how
08:42:39amiconnThe drive (and CF) is powered off when not accessed
08:42:40audijackgood morning everybody ;)
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08:43:12peturwell, to really compare and draw conclusions, you should compare runtime between OF and RB
08:43:22amiconnpetur: What do you mean? It works as far as I can tell (i.e. boots without complaining, and shows the correct capacity)
08:44:12amiconnThe OF is unusable for me (I won't install itunes. Never.)
08:45:11audijackcan someone help me? i have a problem with my archos recorder and firmware/startup.
08:46:01peturwhat I meant is that with CF you get nice figures now, but the runtime in OF might still be even more, so concluding that the diskaccess is the powerdrain issue is a bit too early
08:47:11amiconnWell, it must be a (major) part of the problem
08:47:39amiconnActually according to http://www.ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html Apple promises 18 hours on mini G2, so there is still something left
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08:48:18peturyou can't tell really untill you know the savings the CF itself gives
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08:49:33amiconnIt will certainly save something in the OF as well, but not as much (relatively) as in rockbox
08:50:51petur*if* our disk access time is much longer than in OF. You really miss data to conclude what you're saying
08:50:59peturbrb
08:58:34wpyhamiconn: you don't have to install iTunes there
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09:22:55amiconn14h 49m 02s according to battery_bench
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09:26:48wpyhwow!
09:26:56wpyhlasts even longer than my nano
09:27:10amiconnMy best test result with the stock microdrive was 9h 20m
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10:10:29JdGordonlinuxstb_: you round?
10:13:36amiconnwpyh: How else would I transfer an album so the OF can see & play it?
10:14:13wpyhI'd use retune
10:14:42wpyhyou can also try gtkpod, but I'm having problems with it
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10:16:18audijackhey, is there an rockbox@archos specialist online?
10:16:26BigBambiamiconn: there are quite a few programs that will transfer music to an ipod and build the itunes database
10:16:42BigBambiaudijack: just ask - if not now, people read logs
10:16:54audijackok, tnx
10:16:56BigBambiAnd it may we be more widely applicable anyway
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10:22:09audijackafter upgrade my archos recorder v1 to current build and flashing to eeprom i have a problem. when i plug in DC, the archos powers on and starts not rockbox - the display contains "ARCHOS Jukebox Recorder - Battery Charging...". When i unplug DC the recorder powers down. Without DC and press ON the recorder starts rockbox. Whats wrong with my recorder?
10:23:33amiconnnothing
10:23:52amiconnThe charging screen is intentional
10:24:07amiconnJust press ON in that screen if you want to use the recorder
10:25:07audijackhey amiconn, thanks. yes after pressing ON it starts
10:25:22audijackbut
10:25:51audijacki use it with dc in my car - and don´t wonna press every time ON...
10:26:18amiconnThen use car adapter mode
10:26:26*amiconn recommends the fine manual
10:27:24audijackcar adapter mode ist ON
10:27:37audijackof corse i readed the manual!
10:27:45amiconnhmmm
10:28:03amiconnThen there might be a bug regading car adapter mode evaluation and the charging screen
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10:29:06audijackso i might downgrade to an classic release 2.5?
10:30:32*amiconn would rather live with such a bug for a while than downgrading to stone-age
10:30:43amiconnOf course this bug should be fixed
10:31:00wpyhgevaerts: I've been able to transfer some data via DFU to the device. The trick is to set the transfer size, and I tried with values like 4, 16, 100, 128, 200, 256, 500, 512, 2048, etc. They all work but the transfer is never completed successfully, always stops at either 100KB or 160KB. It's weird. And the device doesn't show any sign of being upgraded (still same software version, and it still works perfectly even after numerous dfu operation
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10:31:07audijack;)
10:31:45audijackwhere should i post the bug info?
10:32:30*amiconn even has a suspicion what change caused the bug
10:32:35*amiconn looks at JdGordon
10:32:45JdGordon?
10:33:08*JdGordon is in a shit mood so if your gonna lame me for something bloody say it...
10:34:19amiconnGoing to .cfg files for the configuration broke car adapter mode on archos recorders (v1, v2 and fm)
10:34:55amiconnCar adapter mode is clearly a setting, but its value is needed in nvram so it can be checked in the charging screen (which kicks in before the disk is powered up)
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10:35:29JdGordonthat happened more than a year ago? closer to 2 even... and this is the very first time I'm hearing of it....
10:35:57amiconnyeah
10:36:16amiconnObviosuly not many people are using car adapter mode on a flashed archos recorder...
10:36:21JdGordonso stick it in vnram?
10:36:42amiconnWell, the setting should probably stay in the .cfg, but we need a flag in nvram as well
10:36:47wpyhgevaerts: I don't know anything about USB but from the trace logs I noticed that device status is obtained by sending a request to endpoint 0, while the firmware is sent to endpoint 2
10:37:00JdGordonit can be in both iirc
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10:37:23Dark_ApostropheHey, I'm looking to replace my not-too-impressively-working Gigabeat F battery. Is this a usable replacement? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/950mAh-Battery-for-APPLE-iPod-MP3-4G-4-G-4th-Generation_W0QQitemZ330241498493QQihZ014QQcategoryZ43447QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
10:37:36linuxstbJdGordon: I'm around now...
10:37:36wpyhgevaerts: but the file updateNAND_BE_070831.dfu is sent to endpoint 0 anyway. Only the file M6SL.ebn is sent to endpoint 2
10:38:37JdGordonlinuxstb: ah too slow... you hadnt replied to the ml... anwyay, that commit should make it closer to the old behaviour and still allow for optional params
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10:42:31pixelmaJdGordon: I also don't see the purpose of skipping width/height, your agument in the ml that this way it could be used on different targets wasn't something I thought of but I think no-one would really use this feature (because layout counts too and the result will look very differently on different displays and on some it still wont work if the "start" position is already off screen
10:43:42pixelmaI'd like it if you could define a viewport to just use the system colours but I'm not sure if people understand that they need to reload the wps to make the changes apply there too
10:43:49linuxstbJdGordon: The use of the name "valid" for that variable in parse_list is misleading. Why not call it something like "missing", as it's used to indicate which values were missing?
10:44:28JdGordonyeah, thought about that.. ill change it....
10:45:18JdGordonthe needing to reload the wps problem has a simple fix...
10:46:22pixelmabtw. should this be possible http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17154.msg126842#msg126842 ?
10:46:28wpyhgevaerts: by the way, I'm using a M6SP instead of M6SL to do the experiments, but I think they should behave quite similarly
10:46:30JdGordonevcerything should be possible!
10:46:43*wpyh wonders when gevarts would be online
10:46:59BigBambiwpyh: he is around a lot - patience...
10:47:10JdGordonpixelma: yeah, I saw that.. conditional viewports will make that easier... and yeah, it works because in svn nothing is cleared and its only using the one line
10:47:19JdGordonits a clever work around actually...
10:47:59Dark_ApostropheAnyone? =)
10:48:18*wpyh looks for some patience on the web
10:50:25JdGordonpixelma: cond viewports doesnt have anymore obvious bugs yeah? I'd like to put a message on the mailing lists saying it will be commited in 2 weeks (i'm busy till then anyway) doable?
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10:55:18pixelmawell... haven't found bugs anymore but I don't like the "don't draw in the default vp if other viewports are used fix"
10:55:42fmlJdGordon: hello. Seen FS #9075?
10:55:51JdGordonyes, about to commit it
10:56:04fmlJdGordon: he-he
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10:56:46JdGordonpixelma: unfortunatly I cant think of a better alternative... and anyway dont think it is such a big deal
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10:57:51PaulJami think the cond_viewports.10.diff is somehow broken. compiles fine, but the wps pharser gives an error on the first %V or %Vl line.
10:58:35pixelmayou'll basically have one vp less you can use even though it's there and takes up a "slot" (a bit selfish motivated because if I want to get rid of the %m in my wps, I'd like to have one more viewport and actually there is one...)
10:59:12linuxstbJdGordon: Why do you need to announce that you're committing the conditional viewports patch?
10:59:50JdGordonbecause %pb and %P break backkwards compat
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11:00:07linuxstbWhat have they got to do with conditional viewports?
11:00:15JdGordonand remove cld margins is going in at the same time which removes %m
11:00:28JdGordonbecause its broekn without that
11:00:30linuxstbI definitely disagree with removing %m at the same time
11:00:36linuxstb(as I've already said)
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11:01:14linuxstbYou need to give people time to move WPSs to use conditional viewports. IMO, there's no hurry to remove %m.
11:01:41pixelmabut thinking of it, if I'd want to draw anything in the default viewports and have other viewports defined and "in use" wouldn't those be "overlapping" and could cause trouble anyway?
11:02:26JdGordonunless %m can be made to fiddle with the current viewports x value, it needs to be removed with the rest of the margins aptch which imo would be good to commit
11:02:44JdGordonbesides.. anyone using viewports correctly doesnt need %m
11:02:50JdGordon.. once cond vp is in
11:03:12linuxstbSo you're saying your patch breaks the existing %m behaviour?
11:03:32JdGordonit removes the margins from the lcd driver
11:03:40linuxstbWhy?
11:04:13linuxstbThe point is that there are probably 100s of existing WPSs using %m, and users don't care what features they're using - they will just complain that their themes are broken.
11:04:13JdGordonbecause its dead code which is only used because the screens havnt been converted to viewports
11:04:28linuxstbNo, it's dead code when all WPSs that need it are converted.
11:04:43JdGordonwhich means it will never go in
11:04:45pixelma:\
11:05:20linuxstbJdGordon: No. Once conditional viewports are committed, we advertise %m as deprecated and announce that it will be removed at a specified date in the future.
11:05:53pixelmaJdGordon: which version of the conditional vp patch removes %m?
11:05:56*JdGordon doesnt like sitting on finished patches
11:06:08JdGordonpixelma: cond vo doesnt... remove lcd margins does
11:06:22linuxstbJdGordon: It's not a matter of sitting on finished patches, it's a matter of doing things in the right order...
11:06:33JdGordonthey both break compatibility so its still better to put them in together
11:06:39*scorche doesnt like commits that break existing things and cause a ton of people to flood in wondering why X doesnt work
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11:07:15linuxstbJdGordon: And I thought you agreed with me when we discussed this a week or two ago?
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11:07:40JdGordonI honestly dont remember that long ago... I thought you agreed with me?
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11:08:11linuxstbI obviously don't ;)
11:08:18pixelmaand I couldn't have the same wps with conditional viewports but without %m... ;)
11:08:30JdGordonyes you can...
11:08:44JdGordonyour doing it wrong if you cant...
11:08:49JdGordon%m adds nothing to viewports
11:10:30JdGordonalmost every wps is going to be broken with conditional viewports anyway... %pb is usedd far more than %m...
11:10:36JdGordonand BUGGER!
11:11:17pixelmaI meant "the same wps I have with conditional viewports and %m... all my viewport slots are taken and I'd need one more at least if I want to have it look the same
11:11:51JdGordonso we can add more then...
11:11:55JdGordonthey arnt that expensive
11:11:55amiconnJdGordon: Something is definitely odd there. The nvram code *looks* ok, but somehow doesn't seem to work properly
11:12:32amiconnI don't understand it yet. My recorder boots straight into rockbox no matter whether I disable or enable car adapter mode
11:14:57JdGordonamiconn: have you counted to make sure we arnt overfilling the nvram buffer? also if you added it in the middle you need to reset settings or it might not work
11:15:02JdGordonwell.. work the first time
11:15:03amiconnI did
11:15:13amiconnBut I see something suspicious now...
11:15:15PaulJamhmm, something is wrong with my uisim, i doesn't find the .rockbox dir.
11:16:33amiconnhmm, no, that one's ok
11:16:55JdGordon34 bytes if every NVRAM() is compiled
11:17:28amiconnYes, plus 8 byte header
11:17:37amiconnMakes 42 bytes, and we have a total of 44
11:18:01amiconncar_adapter_mode is byte 32 (counting from 0)
11:18:03JdGordoncutting it fine :p but fortunatly we havnt eneded to increase it since the conversion
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11:22:24amiconnLooks like it's an endianess problem in the nvram code
11:22:32JdGordonum.. what the heck?
11:22:42JdGordon@ build table
11:22:46amiconnAll settings using less than 4 bytes will break on big endian targets
11:22:56PaulJamJdGordon: could the change in r17697 have broken the uisim?
11:23:10JdGordonwhich was 697?
11:23:15amiconnhmm, or maybe not
11:23:20*amiconn has to check some more
11:23:30*JdGordon not having much luck tonight with commits :p
11:23:55JdGordonplayer sim doesnt have uint_32?
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11:25:30PaulJamJdGordon: r17697: Make parse_list() a bit stricter by only allowing items to be skipped if they are explicitly marked with -
11:25:52JdGordonit probably broke the patch...
11:25:56JdGordonnot the sim
11:26:11PaulJam?
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11:27:32JdGordonand whats happening?
11:28:34PaulJamit shows "no .rockbox directory foubńd" and "installation incomplete"
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11:29:40JdGordonarg, crap... yep.. pointer fuckup
11:32:43JdGordonumm... what header is needed for uint32_t ?
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13:19:11pixelmaare the Ipods Color/Photo the ones which can have different LCD panels?
13:20:52Buschelamiconn: your results for the CF-modded mini 2G are impressive. nevertheless i am convinced that the codec efficiency is still one of the main issues. look at the nano runtimes.
13:24:14wpyhBuschel: I second that
13:24:36wpyhand I think we may be turning on too much useless stuff −− that wastes power
13:24:42gevaertswpyh: I'm online now (for a bit, I need to do some shopping later)
13:25:17gevaertswpyh: Maybe you've already seen it, but DFU is/should behave as specified in http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/DFU_1.1.pdf
13:25:18amiconnpixelma: yes
13:25:32amiconnOr rather, they can have different lcd controllers
13:25:53gevaertswpyh: I'm not sure how well everyone follows that spec though
13:26:05wpyhgevaerts: I've seen that document before, but not in depth (just skimmed). Well, maybe my experiments can help. have a look at them when you're done shopping
13:27:12pixelmacould there be a problem with displaying bitmaps (it seems text is alright if I understand the poster correctly)? Just thinking of something that could explain http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17158.msg126860#msg126860 ...
13:27:22wpyhgevaerts: I think every dfu implementation might be a little bit different
13:27:35pixelmaon one of the display/controller type but not the other, I was thinking
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13:28:06pixelmamaybe someone else should answer that
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13:44:22pixelmas/to put/putting
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13:53:50MenolloI've an old pentium@2.4Ghz with 100 Mbit (up/down) internet connection... can this be useful as build-server?
13:54:24Menolloor is there no need for that
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14:02:27moosthe more the merrier, you have to see with Bagder when he will be around, or mail him
14:02:38LloreanWell, depends on how long it takes to complete builds.
14:03:00LloreanI believe the build server page mentions that it should be able to do it in a certain amount of time. I'd imagine it's fast enough though]
14:03:06mooshttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuildServer
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14:39:53JdGordonPaulJam: cond v10 is broken... ill fix that now
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14:45:07PaulJamthanks
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14:52:53JdGordonfixed it :)
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15:16:12audijackJdGordo: should i create an bug/patch tracker case for my problem with the missing car adaptermode while bootup?
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15:20:04JdGordonaudijack: probably... although I cant really help you there... hopefully amiconn can solve it
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15:20:48audijackok, thanks
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16:35:31wehn_Just wondering if there is going to be a H300 bootload update for the issues on: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot#H3xx_Bootloader_v5
16:36:05wehn_(bootloader USB not working for some people. and pluggin in power booting the original firmware)
16:39:12BigBambiwehn_: There is a problem with releasing H100 and H300 bootoaders - a bad bootoader can render the unit unfixable except with specialist equipment
16:39:32BigBambiwehn_: Therefore, they need a *lot* of testing before release
16:39:52wehn_fair enough. :) I don't have any specialised equipment.
16:40:27BigBambiWe only have one person (to my knowledge) with the necessary equipment to recover from a bad bootloader, so he needs to spend a lot of time testing before release, otherwise we will break people's players
16:40:37BigBambiAnd he is a very busy man with a full real life
16:41:34PaulJamwehn_: there are still some issues with the SVN bootloader which make booting to rockbox unreliable on some H300s
16:42:07BigBambiexactly
16:42:20BigBambiAnd it is very dangerous to test changes :)
16:42:25wehn_ah, i'll wait patiently, not a problem
16:43:51wehn_Anyway, A big thank you to everyone who's worked on Rockbox. Updated with newest build today (do it every couple months) and it's the best yet. Quicker on switching songs is the main think I noticed. :)
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17:19:48robin0800Thanks to whoever fixed the c200 wps page my wps is now there and available for download
17:21:22robin0800the fist item in the c200 wps page is missing a bmp download link could someon please replace it?
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17:23:30krazykitrobin0800, i don't understand what you mean. could you rephrase it?
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18:05:57toffe82Nico_P: ping
18:06:03Nico_Ppong
18:06:13Nico_PI'm about to leave though
18:06:42toffe82in sendfirm how do you know the device you connect to ?
18:07:44Nico_Pyou don't really. it's all handled by libMTP
18:08:01Nico_PI don't know what happens if you have two connected MTP devices
18:08:10toffe82ok
18:08:53Nico_Pactually, there is "device = LIBMTP_Get_First_Device();"
18:09:06toffe82ok
18:09:44Nico_Pso there could be some kind of choice if we wanted
18:10:01toffe82ok
18:10:11toffe82I gonna try with the V30
18:11:01Nico_PI think sending a firmware file is likely to work... beyond that it depends on what kind of file you send ;)
18:11:07ImmolateHi, Rock box can be install in a Fake Ipod nano ?
18:11:14Nico_PImmolate: no
18:11:40Immolateok tanks
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18:13:52toffe82Nico_P: for start, just the original nk.bin ,bye
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18:43:10Nico_Ptoffe82: did it work?
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19:21:46toffe82Nico_P: the battery is completely discharged , I will try later
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19:51:08shotofaddsI've done some initial updates to the LV24020 FM driver so that it can also be used on the D2. Could a Sansa E200/C200 user make sure this patch doesn't break anything? http://pastebin.ca/1041385
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20:07:18BigBambishotofadds: I'm checking the radio still works?
20:09:06shotofaddsBigBambi: yeah, that's all
20:09:21BigBambiOK, give me a few minutes to svn up and build etc
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20:14:02*BigBambi notices that if he connects USB to the e200 whilst listening to the radio it goes into USB mode (I can see it on the PC etc) but the radio keeps playing
20:14:19BigBambigevaerts: I take it that is not intended?
20:14:59*gevaerts wakes up
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20:15:19gevaertsBigBambi: good question. Do you want it to be intended ?
20:15:26BigBambiI don't know
20:15:30BigBambiIt surprised me
20:15:45BigBambiI still got the USB screen on the e200
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20:16:52shotofaddsBigBambi: the same thing always used to happen on the H100. I used to think of it as a bonus feature :-)
20:17:02drfsupercenterHm
20:17:04BigBambishotofadds: The E200 seems fine still - would you like me to try the c200 too?
20:17:20BigBambishotofadds: yes, I have real feeling about it - it just surprised me a little :)
20:17:21drfsupercenterThe c300, if you plug it in with USB while Rockbox is running... it shows a screen in Rockbox. But the e200 resets
20:17:24drfsupercenterIs that a hardware thing>?
20:17:27gevaertsStill happens on h120
20:17:49BigBambidrfsupercenter: I take it you mean c200?
20:17:59shotofaddsBigBambi: probably no need - the e200/c200 code's the same. I just genericised the driver a bit and wanted to make sure I haven't broken anything. cheers.
20:18:07BigBambino problem
20:18:08LambdaCalculus37There's a c300? :)
20:18:14*LambdaCalculus37 wants one
20:18:24drfsupercenterYes I meant c200
20:18:25drfsupercentertypo ;)
20:18:42BigBambineither c200 or e200 hqve native rockbox USB enabled by default yet
20:18:47drfsupercenterbut weirdly enough, my c200 freezes if it's in "Rockbox USB Mode"
20:18:47drfsupercenterHm
20:18:52drfsupercenterthe one I downloaded did... but it crashes
20:18:52BigBambiAs I understand it both should reboot
20:18:56drfsupercenterOK
20:19:00drfsupercenterSo is that a bug or something?
20:19:05BigBambiI imagine so
20:19:07drfsupercenterUsually I just turn it off and then plug it in to make sure it reboots
20:19:09drfsupercenteror just boots
20:19:12drfsupercenterOK
20:19:24BigBambiI have enabled the RB USB stack in my personal builds so I can't check
20:19:25drfsupercenterThat's fine, I don't even use my c200 now that I have the e200 but I still wondered
20:19:48LambdaCalculus37I also enable the USB stack in my personal builds.
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20:20:00drfsupercenterand is the lagginess in volume/track changes due to the hardware?
20:20:06BigBambiwhat laginess?
20:20:07gevaertsIn some builds the reboot-on-usb hangs the player instead of rebooting. This is an old bug, but the cause is unknown (or else it wouldn't happen...)
20:20:07drfsupercenterLike if I turn the volume up, it takes a second or two to actually respond
20:20:18LambdaCalculus37Ah, I know what you're talking about. I get that too.
20:20:20drfsupercenterSame with seeking... it doesn't start playing instantly. Granted, it's faster than Sansa's firmware
20:20:23drfsupercenterbut the volume isn't
20:20:35BigBambiInstant here - what circumstances?
20:20:37drfsupercenter(though I do like the overdrive ability, sometimes it doesn't go loud enough as is)
20:20:40drfsupercenterUm, all?
20:20:42drfsupercenterIt does that for everything
20:20:49drfsupercenterBut I do remember reading that if you use mp3 it might lag
20:20:51BigBambiI was asking for details
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20:20:58drfsupercenterOh
20:21:02BigBambii.e. what format files, DSP enabled, etc. etc.
20:21:07drfsupercentermp3, what's DSP?
20:21:14BigBambidigital signal processing
20:21:22drfsupercenterHow do I know if that's on? I neve rheard of it
20:21:25*gevaerts translates...
20:21:26BigBambii.e. do you use crossfade, equalizer, replaygain, etc
20:21:29drfsupercenterOh
20:21:35BigBambianything that modifies the audio
20:21:35drfsupercenterNo crossfade, I think I have equalizer on "Bass"
20:21:41*gevaerts is too late :)
20:21:48BigBambiheheh :)
20:22:10drfsupercenterBut is it true that mp3 files seek slower than others?
20:22:19*Buschel buschel is fed up with coding for today... lots of ideas and changes but no gain in decoding speed :/
20:22:23drfsupercenterI really don't use ogg since it's harder to play those on the computer.. but I could always transcode everything
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20:22:38BigBambidrfsupercenter: Don't transcode lossy to lossy
20:22:49BigBambiand I don't agree that ogg is harder to play
20:22:52drfsupercenterWell I get a lot of stuff from sites if you know what I mean
20:23:01BigBambiI'm going to pretend not to
20:23:03drfsupercenterThe stuff I rip from CDs, I use MusicMatch to encode and that only does mp3 or wav
20:23:07drfsupercenterwav is just a stupid waste of space
20:23:13BigBambiAs this is a logged channel, and we respect copyright
20:23:22drfsupercenterOK
20:23:29BigBambiWell then use sensible ripping software, but this is off topic
20:23:35drfsupercenterThat's why I didn't say any names ;)... but hm
20:23:41drfsupercenterIs mp3 really slower than ogg?
20:23:42robin0800drfsupercenter, try foobar 2000
20:23:48drfsupercenterPlaying them in winamp it's the same
20:23:52drfsupercenterfoobar... for ripping?
20:23:53BigBambivolume change on e200 with MP3 is instant here
20:24:00BigBambiyes, but I repeat - off topic
20:24:03drfsupercenterIt's about 0.5 seconds lagged here
20:24:17drfsupercenterand if it's on 0DB and I crank it from 1-6, it's even more lagged
20:24:29BigBambiCould you try with reset settings?
20:24:47BigBambiAs I have replaygain enabled and some added bass but nothing else, and it is instant
20:24:55drfsupercenterLast time I reset the settings, it cleared my settings.cfg file... can I make sure that doesn't get erased?
20:25:19BigBambimenu - settings - manage settings - save .cfg file
20:25:21robin0800drfsupercenter, foobar for ripping playing tagging and replaygain here
20:25:28BigBambirobin0800: please stop it
20:25:34BigBambiI've mentioned it twice
20:25:41drfsupercenterOK
20:25:45drfsupercenterOh speaking of naming files
20:25:48drfsupercenterHow do you backspace?
20:25:55drfsupercenterI've just figured out how to totally cancel or totally savfe
20:25:56drfsupercenter-0f
20:25:58BigBambithe manual should tell you
20:26:01drfsupercenterOK
20:26:09BigBambiI can't remember off the top of my head
20:26:11drfsupercenterBut for now... I'm saving a cfg
20:26:21BigBambiSearch for virtual keyboard
20:26:42drfsupercenterOK
20:26:50drfsupercenterOK, I reset my settings
20:27:33drfsupercenterThe visual theme shouldn't affect playback, right?
20:27:42BigBambinah
20:27:49drfsupercenterOK
20:27:59*BigBambi uses cabbie v2 with album art etc
20:27:59drfsupercenterbecause backlight turning off ever annoys me
20:28:06drfsupercenterI hate cabbie, personally
20:28:15drfsupercenterI use the EscapePod one... since I like simplistic thems
20:28:16drfsupercenter*themes
20:28:29drfsupercenterIs it possible to change the background picture, though, without totally making a new theme?
20:28:34BigBambisure, but I meant I use a moderately complex one, and don't have the lag
20:28:46BigBambidrfsupercenter: of the menus/file browser yes
20:28:56drfsupercenterI mean during playback
20:28:56BigBambifor the WPS you need to edit the .wps file
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20:29:04drfsupercenterwps... like edit it in Notepad?
20:29:09BigBambiyes
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20:29:12drfsupercenterOK
20:29:18*drfsupercenter has never tried opening any Rockbox files outside of the mp3 player
20:29:20BigBambiwww.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWps
20:29:49BigBambior indeed www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS
20:30:16*BigBambi gets annoyed by the random capitalisation scheme for acronyms used in wiki page names
20:30:36drfsupercenterInteresting.. now my volume is instant
20:30:41drfsupercenterSo having the EQ on woulda slowed it down?
20:30:41BigBambiaha!
20:31:06BigBambiYou can enable things one at a time to see which it is
20:31:24drfsupercenterOK
20:31:30drfsupercenterwell I'll put my settings back first, since I changed about all of them display-wise
20:31:40drfsupercenterI can't reset just audio, right?
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20:32:46BigBambieasiest is to start from scratch and just change the audio ones first
20:32:47gevaertsdrfsupercenter: I think you could open settings.cfg with a text editor and remove settings one by one
20:32:53BigBambiAs they are the likely candidates
20:33:07drfsupercenterHeh, seriously?
20:33:11*drfsupercenter gets the USB cable out
20:33:15drfsupercenter@gevaerts that is
20:33:19BigBambiyes, it is just a text file
20:33:21drfsupercenterOh
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20:33:31drfsupercenteryeah I never tried text editing on the player due to the lack of... real keys
20:33:34drfsupercenterholy crap
20:33:35*BigBambi things it is called config.cfg
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20:33:39drfsupercenterYeah
20:33:43BigBambithinks too
20:33:50drfsupercentermine's config3.cfg since I saved them before
20:33:59BigBambinot the ones you save
20:34:09drfsupercenter..Oh
20:34:09BigBambiThe one rockbox writes with the changed settings
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20:34:21drfsupercenterCouldn't I just change it in the one I save then load it?
20:34:49BigBambiOnly if you load it from reset settings
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20:35:14BigBambiIf a setting isn't changed in the one you saved, it won't reset the setting if it is different
20:35:18BigBambiIf that makes any sense
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20:35:27BigBambiI know what I mean!
20:35:37drfsupercenterLOL
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20:35:44drfsupercenterI... sorta get you
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20:35:47drfsupercenterI'll try it though
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20:36:45BigBambiIf you change the one you saved by hand, then reset settings, then load the one you edited by hand, you will have default settings except for those changed in the .cfg you edited by hand
20:36:58drfsupercenterOh
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20:37:36drfsupercenterAnd hmm... I take it it's physically impossible to remove the MUSIC folder?
20:37:43drfsupercenterI delete it every time I plug it in but it's always back
20:37:48drfsupercenter(since the one with my music's called Audio)
20:38:08gevaertsThe OF puts it back]
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20:38:18drfsupercenterLOL
20:38:47drfsupercenterso just config.cfg?
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20:42:31drfsupercentervolume: -4
20:42:31drfsupercenterbass: 6
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20:42:34drfsupercenterDo I change those to 0?
20:42:37drfsupercenter(well maybe not volume)
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20:50:14BigBambidrfsupercenter: If you want something to not be changed, just delete the entire line
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21:12:57*jhMikeS sees the gigabeat port/pin stuff has moved to the bulk page and thinks that was exactly the opposite of what needs doing
21:13:29Buschelsaratoga: hi, any progress on your optimization side?
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21:13:52saratogaBuschel: not yet, I really haven't had time to look into it
21:14:01saratogabeyond some basic profiling and reading up on the spec
21:14:14saratogahave you had time to look at it?
21:15:14Buschelsaratoga: i did some very tiny change in the code (exchanging some 64bit muls with 32muls) −− it became slower somehow... don't ask me why
21:15:15jhMikeSthe page anchors don't work correctly either because more than one device shares the same register name
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21:16:14Buschelsaratoga: today i worked on mpc optimization. also some strange effects... maybe some caching issues have effect.
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21:18:34|Marco|Just updated rockbox on my sansa e270 to r17693-080605, whenever the sansa is in rockbow and the usb cable is plugged in, it reboots to the orginal firmware, weather I've enabled car mode or not.
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21:21:22saratoga2Buschel: sorry, the IRC client seems to have had some trouble with connection
21:21:25|Marco|has this been reported earlyer? if yes, I'll look it up
21:21:35saratoga2i want to look at the SSO feature in the MAD source
21:21:49saratoga2they seem to have put a good deal of thought into how to optimize synthfull
21:23:17|Marco|ah, reminds me, after updating from the previous version I had, to r17693-080605, I noticed a substantial speedup in reactions etc.
21:24:04Buschelsaratoga: sounds very similar to what mpc does
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21:25:03saratoga2Buschel: could you explain to me why synthfull needs to use a DCT?
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21:28:19Buschelsaratoga: the polyphase filterbank (decomposition to 32 bands or synthesis to 32 samples) in general is a very big matrix operation. this can be divided into a dct and a windowing procedure. when performing the windowing some symmetries of the window can be used
21:29:38Buschelsaratoga: the dct32 is not connected to the mp3 imdct-stuff at all.
21:29:49saratoga2yeah i realize that
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21:31:03saratoga2Buschel: I thought subbands were band pass filtered and critically down sampled versions the original signal, so why is something like this neccesary? Couldn't you just synthesize them by upsampling them, remodulating, and then summing each band?
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21:32:06saratoga2err rather accumualting all of the bands together, not summing across each individual one
21:32:12Buschelsaratoga: the filterbank is in fact what you desribe -> filtering via FIR (=windowing) and downsampling. but exactly this operation can be tranformed to dct + windowing
21:33:24saratoga2interesting
21:33:31MU{lappy}Buschel: that's an optimization for large filters iirc. there's an app/library called brutefir for doing huge filters, and iirc it does them via dct
21:34:08MU{lappy}i think that starts being a win at a few hundred taps or so, but that's guess/speculation/maybe 5% memory
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21:34:35saratoga2ah yes I hadn't considered that resampling would need filtering to remvoe aliasing
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21:35:35saratoga2anyway, that SSO feature looks quite interesting because it truncates quite late in the decoding process
21:35:37Buschelsaratoga: libmad's SSO does the 32bit multiplies for the dewindowing only. mpc does 32bit multiplies also for the dct-stuff... but mpc has got no asm dct yet
21:35:54saratoga2i would expect it to have a very minor impact on accuracy
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21:36:07saratoga2the DCT is fast already, so i'm not concerned
21:36:40Buschelsaratoga: only changing the dewindowing (synthfull) of libmad and inserting pre-scaling into the dct32 shouldn't be that hard... one or two days max
21:36:45Buschel(i guess)
21:36:54saratoga2you mean into the assembly code?
21:37:16Buschelsaratoga: you need to add the pre-shifts in the dct-asm
21:38:20Buschelsaratoga: and exchange the 64bit-mul/mla's with 32bit-mul/mla's in the synth-asm (the .S-file and the macros in synth.c)
21:38:56saratoga2Buschel: I think shifts are just done to the output of the DCT, so we could probably just fold them into the actual synthesis code easily enough
21:39:39Buschelsaratoga: better not. synth does use each single output of dct multiple times in the synth-process
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21:39:48Buschelsaratoga: you will loose performance
21:40:03Buschelsaratoga: as is said, i did the same for mpc :)
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21:40:29saratoga2can your mpc code be used here?
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21:41:11Buschelsaratoga: no, i unrolled some synthesis stuff and the arrays are organized totally different
21:41:52Buschelsaratoga: i am trying to include the dct32 of libmad into mpc to have a fast asm-version of mpc's "calc_new_V". it gives me a hard time
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21:43:09shotofaddspreglow: you about?
21:44:10Buschelsaratoga: e.g. mpc doe not have any different behaviour odd/even bands, it does the synthesis more "plain"
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21:46:45Buschelsaratoga: but i am not sure whether i organized one of the synthesis arrays worse than before... while synthesizing there are values loaded from all over a 4KB range −− maybe this slows down performance? i am thinking of caching?
21:47:22Buschelsaratoga: these values could be arranged in some bytes, not KBs
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21:50:26saratoga2Buschel: why does dct32 have a hi[] and lo[] output?
21:51:47Buschelsaratoga: i don't knwo why it is called this way and how the data is organized
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21:54:00Buschelsaratoga: at least it inputs and outputs 32 samples
21:54:05Buschelwhat is expected
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22:02:07saratoga2Buschel: i guess we could probably also make better use of IRAM too, since we're only using 42KB worth and not all of the big data structures are in IRAM
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22:03:34Buschelsaratoga: hmm, i thought i've checked this. i could not see any of the synthesis stuff missing in iram
22:04:56saratoga2Buschel: I thought (though I could be wrong) that one of the DCT buffers was not)
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22:10:23saratoga2actually maybe not
22:11:29saratoga2these tiny transform sizes are great, no fighting for every last byte of IRAM like on MDCT codecs
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22:39:19saratoga2i could use some help tracking down the source of this "undefined symbol: plugin_end_addr" error when building rockbox targeting SDL
22:39:44saratoga2i realize that plugin_end_addr should not be included, but I can't seem to figure out where it gets in
22:40:49Bagderit is made in the .lds file
22:41:14Bagderapps/plugins/plugin.lds
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22:41:28Buschelback on my dev-pc now
22:41:48saratoga2Bagder: that lds file shouldn't be included, and by hacking up the makefile i'm pretty sure its
22:41:49saratoga2not
22:42:15Bagderright, but there is code referring to it
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22:47:19saratoga2Bagder: I get that error when trying to decode a file, so i'm guessing its also used by codecs?
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22:47:44Bagderyes, codecs and plugins are quite similar that way
22:48:46saratoga2how is the lack of that buffer handled in the sim?
22:50:15Bagder./apps/codecs/codec_crt0.c is one of the users
22:50:41Bagder#ifndef SIMULATOR ...
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22:51:13Bagderand the same goes for the stuff in codecs.h that references that symbol
22:51:37saratoga2Bagder: yes I've changed that
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22:55:56saratoga2bagder: is mp3_playback.c only for HWCODEC?
22:56:08Bagderyes
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23:06:15saratoga2maybe i can work backwards from it to figure out where i need to look
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23:08:27BagderI don't even know what temp_codec0 is...!
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23:12:33saratoga2Bagder: well that makes two of us
23:12:42saratoga2the sim seems to create it upon starting decodeing
23:13:26saratoga2ah its just the decoder.codec file renamed
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23:13:47yuriksIs Nano 2/3g support expected, AT ALL
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23:13:53Bagderyuriks: no
23:14:04yuriks-_-
23:14:04Bagderwe never "expect" ports at all
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23:29:42FOADNobody expects..
23:29:57fmlHello. This might be a bit off topic but it's related to what has been said here so I'll ask. A couple of days ago there was a link to a shop selling 1.8 inch 80 GB hard drives, Are these directly usable in H1xx? If yes: a couple of weeks ago ;-) there was a link to a shop selling the rest of their H120. Does anybody have these both links?
23:30:26scorchehave you checked out the HardDriveReplacement wiki page?
23:30:59PaulJamfml: this channel is logged, so you can search the logs for the links. http://www.rockbox.org/irc/
23:31:10fmlscorche: yes, but on that page, there is no info about the connector used in H1xx.
23:32:01scorchefml: sure there is..
23:32:02PaulJamthe only 80GB harddrive that fits the h100 without modification is the MK8007GAH as far as i know.
23:33:24fmlPaulJam: yes, I've tried but most things found are very old. And what I'm after is quite fresh.
23:33:51fmlSo the drive 'advertised' here wouldn't fit as is?
23:35:07fmlscorche: the page only says "50 pins". Is it ZIF or ATA?
23:35:18scorche50 pins is ATA
23:36:09fmlscorche: ah, ok. That wasn't clear to me, I know nothing about such things.
23:36:13scorche"50-pin ATA (male connector for Hitachi, female connector for Toshiba)"
23:38:27BigBambifml: You need an adaptor
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23:38:43BigBambiI'm pretty sure the drives referred to were ZIF(/LIF)-40
23:39:30BigBambiwhich as has been said will not fit in the H100 direct
23:39:37BigBambiThere is a forum thread on this
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23:44:00saratoga2anyone know where i could look for documentation on .lds files?
23:44:59fmlBigBambi: ah, right, that was in the forum. That's why I couldn't find it in the IRC log. The shop site says: Connector:ZIF connector, Interface Type:ATA-100. So it's the connector which is important here? And I'll need zif-to-ata adapter, right?
23:45:09BigBambiyes
23:45:40Bagdersaratoga2: perhaps here => http://www.nacad.ufrj.br/sgi/860-0247-001/sgi_html/ldLinker_scripts.html
23:46:07toffe82fml : are you looking for this ? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ZIFToATAAdapter
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23:49:04fmltoffe82: yes, this is what I needed. Now I just have to dig up the link to the shop selling H120...
23:51:09toffe82:)
23:51:40fmlAh, crap, they only ship in the US. And I don't have a H120 to screw. Grr...

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