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#rockbox log for 2008-06-11

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00:02:23jomdo i need to drag the apropriate files into the appropriate folder to install themes?
00:03:14BigBambiIf the theme is correctly zipped it should include the structure
00:03:22BigBambiSo just unzip to the root of the player
00:03:41BigBambibut themes are third party so no guarantees
00:03:44jomohhh. ok. so choose the unzip location to be ".rockbox"?
00:03:50BigBambino, the root
00:03:57jomroot?
00:04:00BigBambii.e. e:\ if it is e:
00:04:26jomoh, the ipod as a whole, got it
00:04:48BigBambiyup
00:05:12BigBambidid you install the font pack too?
00:05:24jomi... dont think i did....
00:05:47BigBambiYou will want to then
00:06:04BigBambiAs the build zip only includes the fonts needed for included themes
00:06:12BigBambiMost other themes don't
00:06:17jomDUDE, i have a zelda theme on my ipod!
00:06:44BigBambi(and incidentally, many third party themes might be out of date and not work at all)
00:07:03jomarguably, most open source alternatives are a ***** to set up. rockbox is awesome
00:07:25BigBambiglad you like it so far :) (although I wouldn't agree with the first part)
00:07:44jompersonally. maybe i just need more experience
00:08:17jomlike i had to format sooo many times when dual booting with linux
00:08:29BigBambiNo going off topic now!
00:08:38jomlmao. alright :P
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00:08:54trident523Topic <−−-
00:09:13BigBambiAnyway, have fun - I can suggest the manual as a worthwhile read.
00:09:18trident523Oh, and RockboxUtil totally worked for me on vista.
00:09:24jomsame
00:09:32BigBambicool
00:09:47BigBambiRight, bed time. Night all
00:10:31jomnight
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00:17:18jomwhen unpacking the theme, is it supposed to take a while?
00:17:25jomor did the utility freeze?
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00:27:34shotofaddspreglow: yeah I got my wires crossed about i2c_write earlier, ignore me. I still don't understand the first parameter - if you follow the code through it does some weird things, but all routes (for WM & PCF at least) seem to end in bit-banging those same GPIOs.
00:29:09shotofaddsiirc there are another set of GPIOs which may be a second I2C bus. not sure what else would be on it - dab perhaps?
00:30:46jomi feel stupid after reading that. your discussing that and i am searching up how to play music :(
00:32:58pixelmajom: music you put on your Ipod through iTunes?
00:33:09shotofaddsjom: don't worry, we don't understand half this stuff either ;)
00:34:45jompiselma: yes
00:34:54jomshotofadds: haha XD
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00:38:06pixelmajom: then I'd recomment the database section in the manual ;)
00:38:13pixelma*recommend too
00:39:04preglowshotofadds: i think dab is on an i2c bus, yes, plus some other serial thing
00:39:42jomi found it out
00:40:02jomi just kept getting side tracked with features :)
00:41:41preglowi wonder what thing is wired to the pcf dcd output that needs to be switched to 3.3 volts from time to time
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00:41:49preglowi still haven't 100% given up hope it's the sd card
00:42:32shotofaddspreglow: there's a static array in the OF with a list of 8 * pairs of SCL/SDI GPIO base addresses and pins. They're all the same (GPIOA 1,2) except the 4th entry which points to GPIOA10 and 11.
00:43:14jomdangit.. none of the backgrounds show... if any
00:43:32shotofaddsI don't understand that 2.1v/3.3v output. There don't appear to be any calls to set it back down to 2.1v
00:44:11preglowi think there's alot about the pcf handling we don't get yet
00:44:18shotofaddstime to try doing a fine balancing act with the multimeter?
00:44:27shotofaddsyou can say that again
00:44:56preglowmy multimeter is stuck in oslo, so can't use that for another couple of weeks
00:45:09jomso... any idea why i get the general picture for the background, but when i play music, it doesnt change?
00:45:18shotofaddswell, that depends where you are stuck :p
00:45:45*shotofadds is off for the night
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00:46:56preglowme too
00:46:57preglowhave fun
00:46:59shotofaddspreglow: if you're interested in that GPIO table, do a text search for "Blues". it's immediately before the MP3 genre list...
00:47:06preglowshotofadds: will do, thanks
00:47:16shotofaddsnight
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00:54:08jomso, any idea why the secondary theme thing isnt working?
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00:59:18pixelmasecondary theme thing?
00:59:50pixelmamight be broken themes
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01:01:12Willethi'm using rockbox on a gigabeat f40, and xubuntu doesn't want to mount it, can anyone help me resolve this?
01:03:01pixelmajom: or rather broken while playing screens (WPSs)
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01:21:32jompixelma: sorry for the insane delay
01:22:15jomlike, when you are previewing themes on the site. and you roll over it, when you roll over it, thats supposed to be the thing it changes to when the music plays, correct?
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01:25:40LloreanHey, I realize most of the people whose opinions I want are possibly not available at this time, but: Who here actively dislikes the idea of coloured filenames for certain filetypes. I was thinking maybe the default theme could incorporate a few basic UI colours (nothing garish, maybe just something as simple as white for files, gray for folders)?
01:27:48pixelmajom: yes I think so
01:28:28jomthen it doesnt make sense. because whenever i play a song, it just remains the same :-/
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01:29:14Lloreanjom: Did you select that theme in Rockbox, or just install it to your player and never select it?
01:30:25jomi never "installed" it. i extracted to my ipod directly using winrar. and then selected it once within the ipod
01:31:15LloreanWhat happens when select it then, exactly? Most themes should change the menu background and font too.
01:31:18pixelmaLlorean: I'm not sure because that's only something that applies to colour screens and I'm not using the default on my one colour screen target... on the other hand: whit for files might even improve readability which is a bit poor in my eyes due to the skinny found as currently all text is light grey
01:31:33pixelma(on colour targets, of course)
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01:32:19jomllorean: it changes the settings then to the right background, but when i go to play music, it doesnt change
01:32:22pixelmaerr... and I meant "font" (guess it's a bit late here)
01:32:48Lloreanjom: It seems likely the theme is old and broken then.
01:33:13LloreanOlder themes often get broken if the author doesn't keep it up to date with changes in Rockbox.
01:33:51jomoh.. i used this website: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=176x132x16
01:34:10jomand they seemed like they would be kept up, and it happens to every theme i have tried to use
01:34:11LloreanAs I said, if the author doesn't keep it up to date, it may not work any more.
01:34:28pixelmathat's why I meant they might be broken. Rockbox got stricter about syntax errors in those files and will reject it (you'll be shown a text only wps in this case). Do shipped themes work (maybe try iCatcher as a test)
01:34:45*scorche|sh looks over at linuxstb_ with his bambi eyes
01:35:06jomkk, i will try iCatcher
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01:37:23Lloreanpixelma: I find a few basic colours really helps me in some case. Makes the "All files" view a bit nicer at least (I have a color for folders, one for playlists, one for other "supported" filetypes, and one for everything else) but I think low key is good for the default theme.
01:38:12Willethso yeah, rockbox/gigabeat f40/xubuntu, anyone have any experience with getting them to talk to ech other? i've been using rockbox on my f40 for months and it talked to xandros no problem but xubuntu just throws up a mount error :(
01:39:47jomis iCatcher supposed to be bland white, but change a little bit when the music plays, if so, then yea, it works for me
01:40:02jomis there a known source for working themes?
01:41:12LloreanAt the moment, it just depends entirely on whether the author has kept them up to date.
01:41:40jomso you guys only used shipped themes?
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01:43:10ShaidIt's kind of a pot-luck thing, jom. Some will work fine, some wont.
01:43:54jomso by Murhphy's Law the cool ones dont work? XD
01:46:43Shaidwell, you could fix them yourself, learn the WPS syntax and see what's wrong with it. ;)
01:47:06jomhmmmm. how much time would that take?
01:47:33Shaidno idea, honestly
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01:51:06jomwhat do you do when rockbox freezes?
01:56:53jomits not like there is a battery to pull out
01:57:06scorche|shthat depends on the device
01:57:41jomipod nano first gen
01:57:53scorche|shhols menu and select
01:57:56scorche|shhold
01:58:21jomi tried that, and tried it again. not working
01:58:38jomnvm
01:58:43scorche|sh;)
01:58:44jomi thought you said menu and play
01:58:54jomXP
01:59:16scorche|shi didnt ;)
02:00
02:00:25jom=D
02:00:58jomwell, i read it somewhere, but a friend is picking me up in 2 minutes, how do i boot normally?
02:01:09jomor unless i set up that feature, can i?
02:01:57scorche|shit might be prudent to read through the manual ;)
02:02:21jomugh, fine. no normal booting tonight :(
02:02:31scorche|shhuh?
02:02:36jomi know i read it in there, but not enough time. thank for your help
02:02:58joma friend is gonna be here in a couple of minutes, so i wont have time for the manual.
02:03:11jomi'll just leave the pod here
02:03:24scorche|shi can tell you if you promise to read through the manual when you get home ;)
02:03:59jomalriht :)
02:04:11jomalright*
02:04:13scorche|shwhat are you trying to do?
02:04:17jomcrap, wireless keybrd acting up
02:04:41jomi am trying to boot into the normal ipod-default interface
02:05:06scorche|shyou mean the original apple firmware?
02:05:09jomyes
02:05:19scorche|shthey are much more than just different interfaces
02:05:32jomsorta like different OSes?
02:05:43scorche|shflip the hold switch immediately after you hit the button to turn the device on
02:06:02scorche|shyes...different OSs
02:06:19jomawesome!!!
02:06:21jomthank you man
02:06:26jomwill read the manual when i get home :)
02:06:46scorche|shgood...i will be watching to make sure!
02:06:53jomhehe
02:06:57jompeace out
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03:08:17wpyhguys
03:08:40wpyhis there any reason why we would want to make "Accessory Power Supply" default to on on the iPod?
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03:09:43pixelmayes, people complaining why their accessory doesn't work... happened before when "off" was default
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03:11:31wpyhcan't it be turned on automatically when an accessory is plugged in?
03:11:46wpyhI think plugging in some accessory would send some signal
03:12:03LloreanIf we knew how to turn it on automatically, then we wouldn't need the option at all...
03:12:15wpyhoh..
03:12:53wpyhFor the time being it needs to be manually switched off then
03:12:59LloreanYes.
03:13:13wpyhok, thanks
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04:51:51farruinnTrying to install rockbox to my iPod video here. ipodpatcher says I need to format it to FAT32 first but I can't find the corresponding mbr on the page it says I should go to
04:52:15farruinnI have a 30GB iPod photo, but the only one listed is a 60GB iPod photo
04:52:46farruinnhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32
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04:53:21Shaidhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32#For_5G_and_below_iPods
04:53:40Shaidassuming yours ISN'T the 5.5th gen iPod Video 30GB
04:55:29farruinnno, it's an iPod photo, not video - sorry for the confusion
04:55:47Shaidand I believe that the 30Gb Video (512byte sectors) should work on the 30Gb Photo
04:57:26farruinnipodpatcher says it currently has 512 byte sectors, does that support your belief?
04:58:13Shaidyes
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04:58:21farruinncool, thanks
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04:59:43ShaidYou don't have access to a Windows PC with an appropriate version of iTunes, I take it?
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05:00:38farruinnno, just my linux laptop and a mac desktop
05:01:04farruinnI just copied the mbr and the iPod rebooted and remounted correctly it seems
05:01:27Shaidgood news.
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05:16:29farruinnodd, I followed all the steps on that page, no problems, but when I try to run ipodpatcher it still says it needs to be formatted as FAT32
05:16:48farruinnif I check /etc/mtab it's mounted as vfat though
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05:22:29farruinnmust be a bug in ipodpatcher - I installed it anyway and it's coming up with the rockbox bootloader now
05:24:11farruinnthe bootloader can't find the partition however...
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05:27:49jomhello :)
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05:37:18farruinnI think I'll just have to find a windows computer with iTunes. Thanks for the help, Shaid
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06:16:48n17ikhHi, i've got a sansa c250 here but I've run into a pretty big snag
06:17:02n17ikhit's got no option to put it into mass storage mode, as far as I can tell
06:19:18n17ikhpretty sure it's v1
06:19:25n17ikhI mean, the about page says version 1. something
06:19:45cool_walking_If it wasn't a V1, it wouldn't run Rockbox at all
06:19:51n17ikhI know
06:20:01n17ikhit's not running rockbox at the moment
06:20:05n17ikhI figured it out though
06:20:06cool_walking_Oh you mean you haven't installed Rockbo..
06:20:21n17ikhapparently you have to go into the device manager in windows and change the driver over to mass storage
06:20:31n17ikhthere should be something in the manual about that
06:20:50cool_walking_Yeah there should
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06:23:57krazykiti believe there is a firware for the v1 c200s that remove that option. it's documented in the wiki
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06:26:35n17ikhah
06:26:41n17ikhthe euro firmware or something?
06:27:52LloreanJust a newer version
06:28:05LloreanThere's actually a key combination to force MSC mode, you don't need to do anything with drivers.
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06:42:26n17ikhI see
06:42:32n17ikhshould at least say in the manual what it is :/
06:42:39n17ikhgranted, it is in the wiki
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07:17:58JdGordonsoap: you round?
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07:21:25mikeu1I need help...
07:21:47JdGordonyou gonna ask a question?
07:22:15mikeu1yeah.. I'm trying to install rockbox on my apple ipod video 80gb and i am going it manually
07:22:33mikeu1i put rockbox on their and downloaded the boot loader but when i turn the bootloader it says ipod not found
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07:22:59mikeu1and it's on windows XP
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07:23:28JdGordonyour sure its a 5.5g and not a "classic" ?
07:23:45mikeu1yeah im pretty sure..
07:23:56mikeu1it's brand new..
07:24:06JdGordonthen its most likely a classic
07:24:10mikeu1umm..
07:24:27mikeu1ok? if it's classic than whats the difference
07:24:50JdGordonthe difference is you cant put rockbox on it
07:25:08mikeu1oh...
07:25:12mikeu1and ya it's a Apple iPod 80GB Classic Black 6th Generation
07:26:23mikeu1is their any other mod?
07:26:26mikeu1for classic?
07:27:12JdGordonno
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07:29:56wpyhis Rockbox a mod?
07:30:33JdGordonyeah, why wouldnt it be?
07:30:40wpyhif Rockbox is a mod then Linux running on a Mac is a mod then :p
07:30:46wpyh(analogically)
07:30:58JdGordonnot really... but yeah ok
07:31:25wpyhI look at Rockbox just like how I look at Linux for my laptop
07:31:39wpyhbtw, sorry for being off-topic
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08:29:40jomi have a personal question for you guys. do you perfer a quick fix of somebody that didnt do his research, or an in depth problem of somebody who did?
08:30:07JdGordondepends
08:30:21JdGordonusually a quick fix will drum up enough interest to do a proper one
08:30:44jomi mean like. a solution to a simply problem he could have fixed on his own.
08:30:49jomwith some research
08:31:12JdGordonwhats the issue/fix?
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08:34:13jomi dont really know. because there is typically two types of people asking for help
08:34:28jompeople that were too lazy/didnt want to do the reasearch for a simple problem
08:34:33GodEaterI prefer the latter
08:34:40jomand those people that did their reasearch, and their problem is bigger
08:34:50GodEaterI get very bored of people who can't be bothered to read all the documentation that a lot of people have spent a lot of time writing
08:35:10GodEaterso problems we've never encountered are the more interesting ones to me
08:35:41jomafterall its partially why your in this, so that all makes sense
08:36:11GodEatercaveat: this is my personal opinion, and not the official position of the Rockbox project ;)
08:37:38jomto each of his own, in each channel with each of those people... i guess its all different
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09:29:02gibbon_hiho
09:29:41gibbon_dionoea: thanks to you the audio produced is nearly perfect in the simulator... :)
09:30:34*petur sends an ipod photo (40GB) dev to http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17158.0 for some puzzling lcd weirdness
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09:49:04JdGordonbugger.... there goes that idea....
09:49:39JdGordon%m cant easily be faked with viewports :(
09:49:46pixelmapetur: I already tried on Saturday to draw someone else's attention to this problem and even provided an half-educated idea (wanted to wait for photos as I'm not a 100% sure what it looks like, but I'm somehow not surprised that the screendumps look ok)
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09:56:09pixelmaJdGordon: what's with the "progressive.wps" pb? It's the one shipped charcell wps and the diff looks weird - and it also makes me wonder how the new pb syntax works there (the Player also had two progress indicators, it's explained in the CustomWPS table)
09:57:15JdGordonprobably a mistake in the script.. and the progressbars shouldnt be effected by the patch... hopefully nothing for charcell was changed, havnt checked yet though
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10:01:39pixelmathe %pb is not a bar on charcell...
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10:02:59JdGordonI know...
10:03:02JdGordontotally different code
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10:04:09pixelmait's a one character thing that changes by time and can be used everywhere in the line (maybe that made your script fail). Does one need the parameters there?
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10:04:39JdGordonno, paramaters on charcel will make it fail the parsing
10:05:52PRINCESS_FLUFFI have a Sansa E-something with 8 gigs on it... I needed a flash-based player because I drop it all the time while running! But I would also like a larger HD based one... What are the bigger models that are compatible with rockbox? (I want a l337 theme and the ability to browse by folder like on a computer)
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10:06:58B4gder1337 themes! wow that's a lot! :-P
10:07:36B4gderPRINCESS_FLUFF: the rockbox.org front page lists the supported models
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10:09:11PRINCESS_FLUFFya but for example, the iRiver ones are difficult to figure out... their website sucks so badly
10:09:20PRINCESS_FLUFFsame for toshiba, olympus and others
10:09:28PRINCESS_FLUFFso if you know a big one off the top of your head :P
10:09:40B4gderyes, and they're listed on the site...
10:09:57JdGordon??? youve already got the only decent size flash target...
10:10:12PRINCESS_FLUFFJdGordon: I want a large HD one as well
10:10:23PRINCESS_FLUFFFor when I'm not likely to drop it all the time
10:10:29PRINCESS_FLUFF8 gb is too little
10:10:36*JdGordon points PRINCESS_FLUFF to http://rockbox.org
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10:12:28pixelmaJdGordon: ok, that change is wrong then (Player sim built and works with cond_viewports.11.diff btw.)
10:12:52pixelmaI meant the change in the "progressive.wps" :)
10:13:01JdGordonyes, i removed it from the diff
10:13:05JdGordonthanks for spotting it
10:13:21JdGordoni used a script to do the conversions...
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10:16:45pixelmaah yes, and %pb without any params still works which is why not all wps needed to be changed to parse correctly: but isn't the new progressbar dependent on fontsize (the old one was always 7 pixels in the middle of the line)? That could make some other WPSs look differently like e.g. the 160x128 only DancePuffDuo which uses nimbus-13...
10:20:54JdGordonah, yes... %pb plain should be 7 and - for height should be font height-1?
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10:31:02pixelmaJdGordon: IIRC it was in the middle of the line (more to the bottom if line height - 7 was an odd number)
10:31:48JdGordonok
10:34:31pixelmahmm... even looks like it was 6 pixels high (if the frame is what counts)
10:35:45pixelmaJdGordon: would make sense in combination with the sysfont, then you have 1 pixel spacing at the top and bottom
10:35:58JdGordonok
10:37:07pixelmathis is only what I can see on a screenshot, better if you could find it in the code somewhere :)
10:39:46JdGordon- /* default values : */
10:39:46JdGordon- wps_data->progress_height = 6;
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10:48:52pixelmaah, and then it's more to the top if the rest is an odd number, probably simpler code wise too
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11:25:07rp-Hi! since someone else wrote the md5 stuff from scratch you can close FS #8338
11:30:58JdGordonok, done
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11:48:36fluxit seems my ihp-120 finally broke down, and I'm wondering are compatible hd's still available? nowadays the toshiba disks say they have 'lif' or 'zif' connector, neither of which are mentioned with the current model.. (MK2004GAL being the current one and MK4009GAL being a candidate for switch)
11:50:20JdGordonyes, but your probably going to have to go through ebay for one
11:50:30peturthere's always the CF route to go
11:51:11peturbut you'll need a working disk to upgrade the bootloader first
11:51:24fluxjdgordon, in other words, the ones one can currently get from the store won't do?
11:51:39JdGordonif they are zif then yes, they wont do
11:52:13fluxhow about this 'lif', is it too different from the one in MK2004GAL? those are available also.
11:52:29JdGordonpetur: ah, I meant to ask.. do the latest "official" h300 bootloader work with CF? or do I need to build one from svn and hope it doesnt brick it?
11:52:31fluxhm, "is it too", not "too different" ;-)
11:52:40JdGordonyes, it wont work either
11:52:58peturJdGordon: I build one, it's in the wiki page
11:53:11fluxso I suppose it's better to search with the hd model numbers then
11:53:23JdGordonok
11:53:32JdGordonflux: yes
11:54:22fluxah, found a page from toshiba where the model is neatly listed with three other ones
11:54:36fluxjdgordon, thanks
11:54:51peturflux: there's a harddisk replacement page in the wiki as well
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11:56:10gibbon_is there a way to do runtime generation of menus in a plugin?
11:56:32knusperfroschhi!
11:57:04gibbon_for some items in a list (i know the number of them during compile time and theres a define) a want to generate a "on/off" switch for each...
11:57:07gibbon_hi knusperfrosch
11:58:02knusperfroschdid i misconfigure my ipod4g greyscale? database lists every song 4 times. I#m running r17693
11:58:16JdGordongibbon_: yes
11:58:56gibbon_JdGordon: where should i start to look for it?
11:59:15JdGordonthe wiki, look for the menu api docs...
11:59:50gibbon_thanks...
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12:00:29JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingTheMenuAPI
12:00:50gibbon_well ;) i was just about to use the search function ... but thanks
12:01:28JdGordonyou need to add a callback function which returns MENUITEM_EXIT_MENU (or something like that... cant remember the xact name) to hide the menu
12:01:48JdGordonyou can look in apps/root_menu.c or apps/onplay.c for a bad example...
12:03:47PaulJam_knusperfrosch: it should help if you initialize the database again. out of interest, what are your database settings? i use autoupdate and load to RAM and have never experienced such issues.
12:04:38knusperfroschPaulJam_: i use the same settings, i'll do what you supposed and give feedback later.
12:04:51gibbon_JdGordon: that would be my last item then?
12:05:06JdGordon?
12:05:19gibbon_to exit the menu...
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12:06:00gibbon_well... nevermind, i'll just have a look at the bad exxample instead ;)
12:06:23JdGordonno no... that return value tells the menu drawing function to not show that item
12:07:35gibbon_hm...
12:13:21pondlifeAny X5 or M5 owners around? I'd like to commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7814 but am wondering if I should just enable it for the H300 at the moment.
12:13:50pondlifeI certainly want it committed before DevCon produces lots of lovely new bootloaders.
12:13:59petur:)
12:15:26pondlifeSeems to be fine on my H300, no more −−:−− clock
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12:28:55PaulJam_knusperfrosch: two things you could try. save a playlist with those duplicate files, open it in a text editor on the PC and compare the filepaths to make sure you don't have actual duplicates of the files on the player. Another thing you could try is deleting all ~.tcd files from the .rockbox directory on the player before initialising (even though this issue should have been fixed in r17689).
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12:38:24JdGordongibbon_: figured it out?
12:38:29gibbon_nope
12:38:42gibbon_i read some code now and i am more confused than before
12:38:57gibbon_i just need a menu with x "on/off" switches in it :/
12:39:18JdGordon:)
12:39:18gibbon_it was very easy with using the MENUITEM_SETTING ...
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12:39:41gibbon_but i don't want to mess with saved settings in a plugin...
12:39:47gibbon_even if it was nice...
12:39:54gibbon_or would be...
12:40:04JdGordonhow are you doing the menu currently?
12:40:18gibbon_not at all...
12:40:39JdGordonok
12:40:52gibbon_i made some other menu in another project using the MENUITEM_SETTING
12:40:59gibbon_that worked..
12:41:08JdGordonyes, you cant use that unless the setting is in global_settings
12:41:31gibbon_i would add it if there is no policy that explicitly forbids this for plugins
12:41:45JdGordondo you want each item to show the option screen? or just toggle or?
12:41:50gibbon_i'd be very happy if this plugin would move upstream one day
12:42:09gibbon_i may explain what i want to do...
12:42:18JdGordonprobably a good idea :)
12:42:47gibbon_i have, for a morse trainer, a set of letter groups... these individually have to be switched on or off in a menu...
12:43:17gibbon_so i want to create a "submenu" that has for each group one toggle
12:45:00gibbon_the menu item names should come from an array of structs, where the groups are stored, the number of groups is known (as NUMBER_OF_GROUPS at compile time)
12:45:46gibbon_so user defined item names would be great...
12:47:00JdGordondoes each group have an id of some sort?
12:47:15gibbon_yes... they are numbered in an array ...
12:47:50JdGordonok, gimme a min...
12:49:06JdGordondo you want the selections to be toggles? or open the option screen?
12:49:38gibbon_twhen selecting a menu item of a group, the group should just be toggled
12:49:52gibbon_http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/263218/
12:50:01gibbon_this is the definition
12:50:20gibbon_gnah... now i am not su sure about what i said before
12:50:28gibbon_about "known at compile time"
12:51:13JdGordonit needs to be known... otherwise you need to think about faking it with the list api and doing the menu logic yourself...
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12:51:27gibbon_well it seems to work
12:51:58gibbon_at least a static int test[NUM_GROUPS]; after the enum doesn't rais an error or warning
12:52:31gibbon_gcc would complain about a dynamic array size definition, wouldn't it?
12:52:57JdGordonthats not dynamic...
12:53:03gibbon_so its ok.
12:53:59gibbon_hm...
12:56:34gibbon_it would also be nice to indicate the state of the toggle in the menu... but thats a lot to ask for from the menu system
12:57:11JdGordonnot really.. but yeah, cant be done in the menu api atm
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12:58:21JdGordonhttp://pastebin.ca/1044727 is the first part you need.... put that in the submenu and it will then show which items are enabled/disabled
12:58:28JdGordonselcting an item will toggle it...
12:58:51JdGordonthen you need to setup the main part, but im not sure why you want it dnamic?
12:59:02JdGordonto hide items you dont need practice with?
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13:00:59gibbon_int id = (int)param; <−− this line really is correct?
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13:01:42gibbon_JdGordon: adding new items should be as changeless as possible
13:01:54JdGordonyep
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13:02:26gibbon_so so the code you pasted needs adding one line per entry... thats very very near "changeless" ;)
13:02:38gibbon_so thank you very much...
13:02:46soapJdGordon, ?
13:03:20JdGordonsoap: hey, can you still compile and host windows sims?
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13:04:13soaprasher is the one who compiles and hosts them, my machine is just rasher's factory.
13:05:34JdGordonah
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13:06:31PaulJam_JdGordon: can't you compile Windows simulators from linux? see: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator#Building_Windows_sim_in_Linux
13:06:50JdGordongibbon_: http://pastebin.ca/1044732 is the full thing
13:07:25JdGordonPaulJam_: ah, thanks
13:07:35pixelmaPaulJam_: yes, one thing I noticed though that these cross-compiled sims don't open a console window (last time I tried)
13:08:27PaulJam_pixelma: ah, true. this could be a problem when using them for WPS developement.
13:08:47knusperfroschPaulJam_: deleted .rockbox, got the most recent build, set load ram, set autoupdate, initialize db, shut down, start, enter database => all tracks are listed four times. i'll try now the playlist thing you suggested.
13:09:15pixelmasomeone told here that rasher's sims do and I thought he cross-compiled too but I don't know whether that's true anymore
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13:09:32pixelmathey do open a console I meant
13:10:22PaulJam_knusperfrosch: something that just came to my mind: do you use database.unignore files?
13:10:26gibbon_JdGordon: thanks so much...
13:10:28*JdGordon can easily test it
13:10:34gibbon_i think i get through slowly :)
13:10:39JdGordon:)
13:12:04gibbon_nasty stuff :P
13:12:30JdGordonLOTS of warnings compiling for windows...
13:13:00knusperfroschPaulJam_: no, i don't even know what that does ;)
13:13:05gibbon_the last thing i guess i will ask about this...
13:13:17gibbon_i nowhere find the menu name defines somewhere...
13:13:23gibbon_defined...
13:13:38gibbon_not in yout example, not in the other sources i read... is this correct?
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13:14:06pixelmaJdGordon: yeah, those visibility attributes and stuff...
13:14:33JdGordonsoap: any idea if you can get the script he uses to compile and zip up the builds?
13:15:37soappeeking into his home directory would be rude! ;)
13:16:06soaphas he been out-of-contact?
13:16:28JdGordondunno... just decided to do this today and he isnt online :p
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13:17:39JdGordonyep, no console...
13:18:23knusperfroschPaulJam_: found it! had some old rockbox dirs on my ipod, e.g .rockbox-080316
13:19:16PaulJam_knusperfrosch: you keep your music in the .rockbox dir??
13:19:24knusperfroschno i dont, wait a sec
13:19:26knusperfroschon
13:19:27knusperfroschd
13:19:31knusperfroschwhoops :)
13:19:47knusperfroschand the playlist contained files like:
13:19:52knusperfrosch.rockbox-080316/.rockbox-080316/.rockbox-080316/mp3/SomeDir/Some.mp3
13:19:58knusperfrosch.rockbox-080316/.rockbox-080316/mp3/SomeDir/Some.mp3
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13:20:07knusperfroschand finally
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13:20:39soapJdGordon, is this the one you need? http://pastebin.ca/1044742
13:21:12JdGordonnaughty naughty! but yep, looks like it :)
13:22:26soapI'm leaving for work, PM me on the forums if you need anything else.
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13:34:51gibbon_JdGordon: i get some warnings about " warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without a cast
13:35:06JdGordonon what line?
13:35:16gibbon_fir the fields you told me to insert the "<id>"
13:35:28gibbon_from this: MENUITEM_FUNCTION_DYNTEXT(<name>, MENU_FUNC_USEPARAM, toggle_item, <id>, toggle_get_name, NULL, <id>, NULL, Icon_NOICON);
13:35:31JdGordonpastebin the code
13:35:32gibbon_i made:
13:35:38gibbon_ok
13:36:47gibbon_http://pastebin.ca/1044748
13:37:07gibbon_it complains twice for each item line
13:37:44gibbon_i guess the id is the problem... the menu runs... but am not comfortable with initializing a pointer in a wrong way
13:38:36SergeyGHello. I would like to be tester\helper of "MeizuM6Port". Who can add me to testers group and gave me "write-permissions" in corresponding topic? Thank you.
13:38:37JdGordonjust wack a (void*) before each of those GROUP_* 's
13:38:38JdGordonits fine
13:40:27gibbon_ok
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13:41:09gibbon_thanks again :)
13:41:58markunSergeyG: there is not really a tester group, but I can give you write permission
13:42:27markunAt the end of the month there will be a developer meeting in Berlin. Hopefully we can do some Meizu hacking there.
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13:43:31*pixelma should bring the axe
13:44:16pixelma;)
13:44:17markunbtw, you should make a new acount called SergeyGradovich or wait till someone's here who can rename your old one (only LinusN and Bagder?)
13:44:27markunpixelma: don't hack our players! Bring your own
13:45:05gevaertsmarkun: you're assuming that she's after the players with that axe. Are you sure ?
13:45:17*gevaerts is a bit nervous now
13:45:44markunyes, we better look out
13:45:44SergeyGmarkun, thats'll be grate =)
13:46:05SergeyGMy account is "SergeyG"
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13:46:10markungevaerts: we should also be careful that the off-topic police doesn't catch us with their axes..
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13:46:17pixelmait's only about Meizu hacking... but since I don't have one
13:46:46markunSergeyG: I know that your account name is SergeyG, but could you make one called SergeyGradovich instead? We all use our full names.
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13:48:09pixelmaJdGordon: that script looks a bit old, with gmini sims...
13:48:23JdGordonyeah, but it works
13:49:08JdGordonits got all the current sim targets.. so probably just easier to leave them in than fiddles around them
13:49:30*JdGordon spamming jdgordon.info:8080/~jonno/rockbox/wpschanges/">http://jdgordon.info:8080/~jonno/rockbox/wpschanges/ everywhere to get more testers on the patches
13:49:40pixelmawell the Ondio ids are wrong then...
13:49:59JdGordonnoone uses them anyway :D
13:50:19SergeyGmarkun, in a second
13:51:18pixelmaJdGordon: those sims maybe as I build my own, but I still like using the OndioFM ;)
13:53:46JdGordon20min to build all the sims isnt bad
13:54:53SergeyGMy account created - "SergeyGradovich"
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13:55:28markunSergeyG: you have write permission now :)
13:55:54gibbon_JdGordon: i am wondering if i can indicate the enabled/disabled state using the function that returns the pointer to the name
13:56:51JdGordonyes, use rb->snprintf(buf, buf_len, "%s %s", group[id].name, enalbed[id]?"yes":"no");
13:56:58JdGordonand return buf;
13:57:02gibbon_ah...
13:57:16SergeyGmarkun, thank you.
13:57:56markunno problem. Do you plan to also program on rockbox?
13:58:13markuncpp is C++?
13:58:27gibbon_there is a buffer parameter to the function toggle_get_name from http://pastebin.ca/1044727... may i use that?
13:58:45JdGordonyes, thats whats its for...
13:58:49gibbon_ok
13:58:49*gevaerts thinks that cpp is (or should be) the c preprocessor
13:58:49JdGordonand return that buffer
13:59:26pixelmamarkun: do you mean cpp as a file extension?
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13:59:56markunpixelma: I was talking about the comment on his wiki page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SergeyGradovich
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14:00:50gevaertsGood. We need more people who know the preprocessore well ;)
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14:23:00Mouser_XJdGordon: "checkwps" works great for finding errors in WPSs.
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14:23:25Mouser_XI just saw that you were compiling sims and mentioned that they don't have a console window.
14:24:14Mouser_XWhen checking for problems in a WPS, I use checkwps for that very reason. It gives me lots of useful info.
14:24:29Mouser_XMaybe you should host that for windows users as well?
14:24:56Mouser_X(Thus allowing people more opportunity to check for themselves what the problem is.)
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14:30:56LinusNthe win32 sim has never had a console window
14:31:19LinusNyou are supposed to start it from the console
14:31:28Mouser_XAh.
14:31:43Mouser_XI think I tried that once, and it still didn't give me any info.
14:31:53LinusNthat's weird
14:32:07Mouser_XHowever, it's been a long time so maybe I'm not remembering correctly.
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14:33:55pixelmaLinusN: eh? Why does a console window pop up then when I start a cygwin compiled windows sim from the explorer?
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14:35:59amiconnLinusN: Because it's compiled as a console application.
14:36:19amiconnIf we would not do that, it wouldn't output text to a console window you start it from
14:36:40amiconnThis is a windows sdl quirk
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14:40:13gibbon_JdGordon: thanks a lot! thanks to you i finished implementing letter group support :)
14:40:33gibbon_ind you made my idea of the rockbox menu system heavily increase :)
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14:45:56Mouser_XLinusN: Just to verify - When starting the Rockbox sim from the command prompt, I still get nothing.
14:46:25Mouser_XI suppose I might need to start it with some operation variable or something.
14:46:38Mouser_XLike "rockboxui -debug" or something.
14:47:29amiconnnope
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14:48:01amiconnThe crosscompiled sims suffer from the same problem that was solved for cygwin by compiling the sims as a console application
14:49:05amiconnThey won't output anything 'live'. You may find 2 text files in the dir you run the sims from though if you're lucky
14:49:46Mouser_XNope.
14:52:25JdGordonMouser_X: yeah, well those builds are more in the hope people start using the new tags and checking for wierd pixel misplacement errors
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14:56:58JdGordongibbon_: good to hear :)
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15:03:57Mouser_XJdGordon: I figured.
15:05:20JdGordonpixelma: any suggestions on a better value for MAX_VIEWPORTS?
15:05:33JdGordon32 feels like overkill...
15:05:42Mouser_X42. It's the answer to everything.
15:05:44Mouser_X:P
15:05:44JdGordonalthough they arnt that expensive...
15:07:06JdGordon24 it is!
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15:11:11JdGordon128x128x16 is the h10 yeah?
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15:11:38LambdaCalculus37Yep.
15:11:57LambdaCalculus37The 5/6GB H10 is 128x128, and the 20GB model is 160x128.
15:12:13JdGordonta
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15:12:45markunLambdaCalculus37: the smaller version is th H10jr?
15:13:16LambdaCalculus37markun: The H10 Jr. is a seperate device.
15:13:28LambdaCalculus37Looks kinda like the H10 5/6GB, but has 1GB of flash.
15:13:52markunand I see it's S5L8450 based
15:14:05LambdaCalculus37The H10 Jr?
15:14:12markunhttp://www.themp3players.com/archives/2005/07/a-closer-look-on-iriver-h10-jr/
15:14:13LambdaCalculus37Never saw one up close.
15:14:19LambdaCalculus37Ahh, thanks!
15:14:23markunsamsung, not portalplayer
15:14:52*LambdaCalculus37 goes to the page markun linked to have a look
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15:15:49markun"iRiver has made some changes.." is a bit of an understatement I think
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15:23:37LambdaCalculus37Here's the main CPU: http://bbs.imp3.net/attachments/month_0507/060018_J2ZW7OartleR.jpg
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15:26:20LambdaCalculus37And I found a firmware update here: http://iriver.nefficient.co.kr/iriver/update/firmware/h101g/kor/H10_JR.HEX
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15:32:00LambdaCalculus37markun: The chip markings indicate that it's a Samsung SA58450X01, ARM9 at 200 MHz.
15:32:09LambdaCalculus37The iriver T10 also contains this same chip.
15:32:35LambdaCalculus37Info from here: http://www.themp3players.com/archives/2005/07/inside-iriver-t10/
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15:33:42markunLambdaCalculus37: some info here as well: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58#SA58450_no_codename
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15:45:12JdGordon1/8 cabbie versions with %m fixed :(
15:45:19*JdGordon wishes this was easily scriptable
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16:10:46*JdGordon spots a mistake in the mini cabbive wps
16:11:27JdGordonit says "Next Track:" but not the actual track?
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16:18:36*LambdaCalculus37 hands JdGordon his teddy bear
16:18:40LambdaCalculus37Good night!
16:19:25JdGordonkicking me out?
16:19:46LambdaCalculus37You said it's bed time. :P
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17:10:56pixelmaJdGordon: (in case you're not sleeping yet or for the logs) in the Mini cabbiev2 the actual info is below the "Next track:" line
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17:26:11Lloreanpixelma: I think if the German translation already suggests the debug menu is a place for Developers then it's okay even without the "Keep Out"
17:27:09wpyhShould the "Keep Out" be removed from the English translation as well?
17:27:46LloreanNo, the idea of "Keep Out" for that menu is sound.
17:28:07LloreanBut the German translation is constrained by length.
17:28:16wpyhoh..
17:28:32wpyhI know that I'm free to edit that out for my own build, but
17:28:47wpyhI feel the idea of saying "keep out" a bit misleading
17:29:13wpyhfor one, it doesn't do much harm to the device (apart from some usb strangeness and audio skipping if you force the cpu boost to 0)
17:29:14wpyh:p
17:29:39LloreanBut it does clearly tell a "normal" user they shouldn't be there, which is important so that they don't file bug reports when they change things in there and the unexpected happens.
17:31:01wpyhwell, you're right
17:35:15pixelmaLlorean: thanks for the opinion :)
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17:44:40ender`it does
17:44:45*n1s also notes that he needs to port his (not yet committed) plugin to the new md5 lib
17:45:17n1sender`: 'someone' should do something about it then ;)
17:46:34pondlifeIt includes source code too, I hope ;)
17:47:46pixelman1s: welcome. I'm working on a midiplay.tex and noticed that the patchset is only linked from the wiki and not hosted there itself. Since I'm not sure about the reasons and thought I read you wanted to make the plugin compatible with other patchset, I thought I'd just point at the wiki. Is that ok, or do you have another ides?
17:48:11pixelma*idea too
17:49:16n1spixelma: I don't remember exactly but i think that it was hosted on some other site because the licensing was a bit unclear but it would be nice if it could be on the "extras" page
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17:52:06pixelmais that something that needs to be solved before?
17:52:19n1shmm, reading the wiki it seems like it would be ok to host it as long as it's for non-commercial use so i suggest we put it on the extras page
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17:53:26LloreanWe should edit the archive to include a copy of their license, though, if one isn't already in there.
17:54:44PaulJam_can the website be considered non-commercial when there are ads?
17:55:26pixelmaI think it should be a "normal" zip in the right directory structure for just unzipping to the root of the player then (haven't checked now)
17:56:16n1showever the other patchset that was linked in the forums clearly uses the GPL v2 (dunno how that relates to audio)
17:57:37n1sbut the cfg parser (and a couple of other things in the midi plugin) are written very closely to the (only) working patchset so it need some major fixing...
17:59:06pixelmayes, that's what I meant to have read. And I still think just linking to the wiki would do for now...
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18:00:36n1syes, it works. Also don't forget to mention that midi playback is very bad on all pp based targets ;)
18:00:48n1ss/it/that/
18:00:55LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: If I let my Gigabeast "drain" completely (battery percentage reads 0%) while it's playing audio, the whole device suddenly becomes completely unresponsive, freezes during playback, and doesn't automatically power off.
18:01:29LambdaCalculus37Although I already know that power management isn't done yet.
18:01:49pixelman1s: thanks for the reminder :)
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18:15:08domonokyis there a way to access rockbox svn via http ? (my student seems to have problems with the svn protokoll, maybe some blocks from his ISP)
18:17:53LambdaCalculus37domonoky: The only two ways I know how to get to the trunk outside of svn is through ViewVC and getting a source tarball from the download page.
18:17:55jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: right now low battery shutdown is disabled
18:18:41LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Ahh, gotcha.
18:20:36gibbon_is wanting to use rockbox_browse in a plugin a crime? i wanted to use it an got some evil unefined symbol error
18:21:13n1sgibbon_: did you add it to plugin.[ch] ?
18:21:53gibbon_not exactly, no... i included tree.h
18:22:05gibbon_where i thought it was defined...
18:22:38gibbon_is there another file_browsing dialog already in the plugin api? the doc files don't talk about any
18:23:06gibbon_perhaps i really did try something evil ...
18:24:23LloreanIn terms of plugins, you should think "If I need something, i should add it to the plugin api"
18:24:41gibbon_ok...
18:25:18gibbon_then consider me thinking "if someone needed it before, it could already be in the plugin api" 5 minutes ago
18:25:22gibbon_;)
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18:26:16SoapAtWorkJdGordon: do you want a FTP account?
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18:26:35LloreanI'm not sure I understand your point gibbon_. If it's not there after you looked, you should've added it in, not circumvented it.
18:27:47domonokyplugins should not include any other headers than plugin.h (maybe pluginlib.h) and your own .h files..
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18:30:38gibbon_ok, i'll keep that in mind
18:31:28scorche|shSoapAtWork: he is likely sleeping
18:32:04scorche|shnot sure what he would need an FTP account for though...
18:32:49n1sdomonoky: all .h files in plugins/lib are ok
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18:34:06domonokyn1s: you are right, headers from the plugin lib are fine, but all other rockbox headers (like tree.h gibbon used, are evil in a plugin) :-)
18:34:44n1sevil indeed ;)
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18:37:52webguest91hi, H140, I have flashed to RAM and ROM but only use ROM, is there any way of clearing/removing the flash from RAM ?
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18:39:48domonokywebguest91: why would you want to remove the other copy of rockbox ? it there for safety..
18:39:51domonoky+is
18:40:29webguest91ok, just thought I would try and utilise ALL RAM for music
18:40:54n1sgah! now my endiannes issue is back with the svn md5 thing :(
18:41:24domonokyif you use the ROM image, rockbox isnt loaded to RAM, the other copy is then not in use, so you wouldnt save anything..
18:41:56domonokyboth copys are in the flash chip, which is different from RAM :-)
18:42:33webguest91is that part of RAM reserved for firmware irrespective of whether its used ?
18:43:25Lloreanwebguest91: If you boot into ROM, you have all the possible RAM free for music.
18:43:34LloreanNone is wasted.
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18:43:48domonokyno, normally rockbox is copied to from FLASH or the disk to ram before its executed. The ROM image is executed directly from the flash, so more RAM for your music..
18:43:50BigBambiwebguest91: nothing is 'stored' in RAM, it just depends where it executes from
18:44:50webguest91aha, thank you all,
18:45:37SoapAtWorkscorche: to share his sims at > 22KB/s total upload
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18:46:25scorche|shSoapAtWork: he has an account on lostlogic's server (that he keep forgetting about) though..
18:47:04scorche|shalso, #rockbox-community is accessible from the webclient ;)
18:47:35SoapAtWorkI would have considered my original query on-topic
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19:06:59amiconnn1s: What endianess issue?
19:07:58amiconnn1s: Btw, when the md5 plugin lib was committed, I saw that there's some nasty code for endianess handling on big endian targets. It *looks* like there should be an easier/faster way to do this
19:08:18amiconnThis is only from glancing over the code; I didn't try md5 at all yet
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19:11:03n1samiconn: i've been working on a plugin for storing an encrypted list of passwords, it uses TEA encryption and a md5 hash for the key, so i thought it would be a neat feature if the same file could be used on both big and small endian targets and had it working with the code I used for md5 but now when i switched to the one in svn it doesn't work on my h300 with a file from a sim anymore...
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19:15:06linuxstbn1s: Aren't most ciphers based on bit/byte streams anyway?
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19:30:17n1sah, got it :)
19:30:51*n1s puts down big rocket labeled "target: Creator of 'little-endian byte ordering'"
19:34:40gibbon_they must have a really huge rocket collection down there by now
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21:06:36hanz0hello
21:07:03hanz0can someone help me with rockbox installation to ipod nano
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21:08:17linuxstbWhat's the problem?
21:08:57linuxstbAlso, there are three varieties of ipod nano (1st, 2nd and 3rd generation). Rockbox only works on the 1st gen.
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21:09:44hanz0im using the 1st gen
21:10:10hanz0onemoment, just reading the forum and trying out something...
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21:17:38mcuelenaereI'm trying to work out a solution for interrupt based button driver targets where the button status isn't polled anymore but updated on interrupts
21:17:46Willethdoes anyone here have experience using rockbox with xubuntu?
21:18:07mcuelenaereI first thought about using mutexes, but currently the button driver is used as a tick task
21:18:31mcuelenaerenow I believe the best solution is to remove the add_tick_task() call and let the target button handler call button_tick()
21:18:39mcuelenaerecomments?
21:19:14LloreanWilleth: Do you mean a Rockbox simulator?
21:19:14LloreanRockbox runs on the players, not on the computer.
21:19:14linuxstbWilleth: In what way? I doubt many things are specific to xubuntu
21:19:47Willethwell i'm having trouble mounting the player
21:20:01Willethit's a gigabeat f40, has worke fine on xp and xandros in the past
21:20:19linuxstbDo you have any other USB hard disks?
21:20:26Willethit tries to automount and just fails
21:20:41Willethi have a 1gb usb stick that i installed xubuntu from, and an sdhc card plugged in
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21:20:50jhMikeSmcuelenaere: I don't think the results will be too good.
21:20:53linuxstbmcuelenaere: That sounds sensible to me, but I'm no expert in that area. I'm assuming no existing targets have interrupt-driven button drivers?
21:21:02mcuelenaerejhMikeS: why not?
21:21:07n1sWilleth: does dmesg tell you anything interesting?
21:21:15mcuelenaeredo you think button changes will be missed?
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21:21:30linuxstbWilleth: I assume those other devices mount OK?
21:21:40mcuelenaerelinuxstb: yes, the ZVM, e200 (and presumably the c200 too) have interrupt based button drivers
21:21:45mcuelenaereperhaps even more targets
21:21:46jhMikeSmcuelenaere: If you only check it when a thread reads it then yes.
21:21:54Willethlinuxstb: yeah, fine, i've been transferring stuff between the two i just mentioned no problem
21:22:00Willethi will recheck this stick though
21:22:27mcuelenaerejhMikeS: how do you mean?
21:22:29Willethhm, that's not mounting either
21:22:37Willeth'invalid mount option'
21:23:35Willeththe sdhc card works fine though
21:24:00BigBambiWilleth: Have you tried without the card inserted?
21:24:01jhMikeSmcuelenaere: then instead of queueing transitions while a thread works on something else, it can only pick them up on it's own schedule which can fall behind.
21:24:08Willethbambi: yep
21:24:14*BigBambi vaguely remembers having a card in doing odd stuff
21:24:28linuxstbBigBambi: In a Gigabeat F40?
21:24:49BigBambilinuxstb: er, yeah....
21:24:57*BigBambi should read things better
21:25:09*gevaerts can imaging that doing odd stuff
21:25:16Willethwait, this is eeexubuntu, is there a distinction?
21:25:26LambdaCalculus37Nope.
21:25:34linuxstbWilleth: This is getting off-topic for #rockbox - feel free to continue in #rockbox-community
21:25:48Willethok
21:26:39MarcGuayHi folks. I'm trying to make a patch after adding the c100 as a build target and don't quite understand how to include the new files. "is not a working copy" errors abound.
21:26:40mcuelenaerejhMikeS: who are you referring to with "it" and "his schedule" ? the button driver? (firmware/drivers/button.c)
21:26:53linuxstbMarcGuay: "svn add newfile1 newfile2 etc"
21:26:55mcuelenaerehis own schedule*
21:27:44jhMikeSmcuelenaere: the thread reading buttons = "it's schedule"
21:28:41MarcGuayBigBambi: Thanks for the tip on Mibbit again, this is totally tolerable.
21:29:02*BigBambi doesn't think it was originally him :)
21:29:17linuxstbMarcGuay: Did you try any of that lcd code I wrote for the c100?
21:29:28BigBambiI'm always happy to take GodEater's credit :)
21:29:37MarcGuayBigBambi: Woops. Yeah, spread that love around.
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21:29:56*LambdaCalculus37 waves to MarcGuay
21:30:20MarcGuaylinuxstb: I'm still messing with it. Can't display anything yet... Double checked the lcd_init and system_init.. made a few corrections... Still not sure what's next...
21:30:46MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: Howdyhey.
21:31:07jhMikeSthe interrupt-based button targets hardly do anything in the tick anyway. I'm simply commenting because 1) you asked ;) 2) I see strange behavior if the reader is completely responsible for event generation
21:31:19LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Welcome to IRC. :) How's your c100 hacking going?
21:31:37linuxstbMarcGuay: There's also the very early startup code to write - the functions in system-tcc77x.c. e.g. there is a function in the OF that inits all the GPIO ports, which I've implemented in system-tcc77x.c for the DAX.
21:32:21MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: meh. slowly. i'm really just fumbling around. first time dealing with unix, C, assembler, IDA-Pro, etc. the learning curve is pretty steep.
21:33:13LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: It's a good kind of pain, though. :)
21:33:20BigBambilinuxstb: Incidently, I finally have a DAB thing waiting at the post office - I'll get it open at the weekend to see if it the same
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21:33:36linuxstbBigBambi: The ATMT thing?
21:33:42BigBambiyeah
21:33:50BigBambiI think
21:33:57MarcGuaylinuxstb: I saw that but didn't think it was necessary at this stage because the m200 didn't have them set up yet.
21:33:57*BigBambi goes to check what he actually bought
21:33:58LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: I had an idea... have you tried compiling a bootloader for the m200 and sending it to the c100 with tcctool to see what happens?
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21:34:24LambdaCalculus37It's a little crazy sounding, but since the innards are so close, it may at least do something.
21:34:26MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: One of the first things... :) No dice. Nothing in life is that easy, but we always try...
21:34:28linuxstbMarcGuay: That's because the function doesn't exist in the m200 OF. It does in the c100 though, so should make things work more smoothly.
21:35:19MarcGuaylinuxstb: Aha. I'll take a look then... I noticed that the lcd_init makes a call to GPIO_E so I guess if it hasn't been initialized yet, it's not going to work...
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21:35:31linuxstbMarcGuay: I've no idea how mibbit shows them, but I've sent you some private messages...
21:35:32BigBambilinuxstb: yes, ATMT :)
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21:36:00mcuelenaerejhMikeS: I know it makes hardly a difference in code usage, but perhaps it will affect battery lifetime and that's why I was wondering..
21:36:17mcuelenaerebut as I don't quite understand enough of the button driver, I'll leave it like it is atm :)
21:36:26jhMikeSmcuelenaere: I had thought about this myself and preserving the asynchrounsly-queued input characteristics didn't really change the outcome as far as what gets done in the code
21:37:05jhMikeSmcuelenaere: probably will have no measureable effect since all button_read_device does in those cases is check a button state int variable
21:38:05mcuelenaereyes, but the optimization lays at the fact that the button_tick wouldn't be called anymore resulting in more core_sleep()'ing resulting in (hopefully) better battery lifetime
21:38:20mcuelenaereah sorry I misunderstood you
21:41:28LloreanMarcGuay: You have a PM in the forums. Please respond there, not here. :)
21:41:41scorche|shLlorean: about time =P
21:42:32*BigBambi agrees
21:42:50jhMikeSmcuelenaere: a pp target sleeps 9999 out 10000 microsecond per tick normally at idle which is the limit of what's measureable with the USEC_TIMER
21:43:35mcuelenaereah, seems pretty optimized already then
21:44:29jhMikeSmcuelenaere: one thing that could help more is not having it traverse the entire tick task array which forces 1600 loops/second regarless of the number of tasks
21:45:26mcuelenaeredoesn't that vary from target to target?
21:45:29jhMikeSkeeping the array compacted and stopping at a NULL function would have it only do a few loops
21:46:17jhMikeSI don't believe that there's any variation other than a few have an ADC tick
21:46:44mcuelenaereI meant the for(..) loop isn't genericly implemented AFAIK
21:46:53mcuelenaerethis applies for example at the DM320
21:47:33jhMikeSmcuelenaere: I haven't seen that one. All others just loop to NUM_TICK_TASKS
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21:48:16mcuelenaerejhMikeS: it does the same
21:49:17jhMikeSonly difference is how they ack the timer interrupt and when
21:58:06jhMikeStoffe82: did you happen to have a look at the current sense resistor stuff?
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22:11:51toffe82jhMikeS: I had a look quickly, but I have avalue moving, did you check it on the board with no IC ?
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22:15:59jhMikeStoffe82: the PMIC is removed and that one green resistor seems to be connected to the correct pads
22:17:18jhMikeSI'm guessing it's .33 ohms since that's the closest value that comes to a .3-ohm reading (my meter only does .1-ohm resolution)
22:17:23toffe82I don't have any board without Ic , so the measure is not good
22:17:41toffe82I read bteween 0.1 and 1
22:17:57toffe82if I wait
22:18:56toffe82I will try to find a board I can salvage, perhas I will send it to you because my vacation are close and I have a lot to do at work before
22:19:20toffe82I am leaving to France the 19 and I will be out at least 3 or 4 days before
22:19:35*jhMikeS thinks toffe82 takes way too many vacations :)
22:20:40toffe82:) first long vacation (4 weeks) in 20 years
22:20:41jhMikeSbut yeah, I'd appreciate that and would also give another thermistor to test as well
22:21:16toffe82I try to find it tonight and will send it at the end of the week
22:21:32*jhMikeS wonders if he'll hear "I'm stuck in France now." :)
22:21:49toffe82perhaps :)
22:22:37jhMikeSIf things continue as they are, you won't be able to leave the country much less come back into it. :p
22:24:55toffe82I prefer not to comeback if they use this now http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2008/06/11/458945-Etats-Unis-des-scanners-d-aeroports-qui-voient-sous-les-vetements.html , sorry for the off topic
22:27:39*jhMikeS plans to get his passport affairs in order and asks if anyone has a free couch on the other side :)
22:28:54amiconnmcuelenaere: Several targets have interupt based button drivers, but the button tick is still needed for proper button repeat handling
22:29:31amiconnBoth repeat start and repeat rate are, of course, timebased, hence the need for the tick
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22:34:15mcuelenaereamiconn: yes, I realised that too but as jhMikeS pointed out it isn't really necessary as the speedup wouldn't be that big
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23:34:16gibbon_does someone have a hint for me?
23:34:39gibbon_builds perfect in simulator... when building for my target (c200) i get:
23:35:10gibbon_http://pastebin.ca/1045422
23:36:22jhMikeSuse rb->rand rb->memcpy or use MEM_FUNCTION_WRAPPERS(api)
23:37:17gibbon_as you can see in the following: http://pastebin.ca/1045424
23:37:47gibbon_gnah
23:38:02gibbon_the rand() is solved that way i quess...
23:38:13gibbon_but i never knowingly used memcpy
23:38:19jhMikeSgcc may need it
23:39:18gibbon_i wonder in which of the functions i call
23:39:26gibbon_i can imagine the lcd_stuff
23:41:57gibbon_bt seems to be that way... if i comment it out, the code compiles
23:44:41gibbon_it seems to be in the rb->lcd_putsxy call...
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23:46:39jhMikeSnot sure why it would memcpy anything
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23:51:40gibbon_jhMikeS: crazy, but snprintf'ing the stiff into a buffer first solves the problem
23:51:51gibbon_C, pointers, all the stuff still makes me nervous
23:52:14gibbon_thanks anyway
23:52:23gibbon_its getting late and i am getting blind
23:52:24jhMikeSin this case it's GCC that makes me nervous :)
23:52:41linuxstbgibbon_: It's not a problem.... It's documented that gcc requires memcpy to be available. You just need to add the macro call jhMikeS mentioned.
23:55:12gibbon_linuxstb: mhm
23:55:17gibbon_thanks...
23:56:13linuxstbMost likely candidate is the initialisation of buffer[2].

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