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#rockbox log for 2008-06-17

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00:07:17pixelmais someone around who has an Ipod with colour display and can tell me about the Rockboy controls? Mainly whether you have to "press" left/right/menu/play for directional movement or just "tap" them (or the area)
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00:09:03Lloreanpixelma: I believe it's just tap
00:09:18pixelmathat's what I suspected
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00:16:02pixelmaalmost looks like you could do both (unless I'm misunderstanding which is not unlikely, the Rockboy controls code isn't an easy read)
00:16:37pixelmato me
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00:24:21*shotofadds seems to have PCM buffering partially working on the D2 ... the seconds tick by in the WPS now, but there's no sound yet.
00:24:45*shotofadds decides to sleep on it. night all!
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00:58:39pixelmaeh... if I understand the Rockboy code correctly you can cycle through the scale modes with a key on the recorder pad and with the help of the hold switch on the H100 and the M5 (because it's behind an if that checks for 160x128 and depth ==2) but not somewhere else... e.g. you couldn't do that on the X5 which has the same pad as the M5 but has a colour display, or the H300... (?)
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01:00:13pixelmaok, on colour display targets there seems to be an option in the menu, still it sounds weird to me
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02:18:43alleleI have a magenta background on my bitmaps, but the magenta shows up in my plugins instead of being transparent. do I have the wrong color, or is there a special syntax I need to use?
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02:22:45Lloreanallele: It needs to be exactly 255,0,255
02:23:10allelealrighty, thanks Llorean
02:23:36pixelmayou also need the lcd_bitmap_transparent functions (IIRC)
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02:37:52allelethanks pixelma, that is the next problem I had :D
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03:44:28Class37hi
03:44:44Class37any luck on 3rd gen nano?
03:45:02krazykitno
03:45:11Class37shit
03:45:23Class37 how does winamp work
03:45:42krazykitClass37, please read the channel guidelines; this is an on-topic support channel for rockbox
03:47:13krazykitClass37, there are several roadblocks to porting rockbox to the 3rd gen nano and ipod classics, including 1) firmware encryption, 2) a current inablity to run custom code, 3) undocumented hardware, 4) no one seriously working on it
03:47:37Class37cool man
03:47:40Class37thanks
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03:53:25Lloreankrazykit: 1 and 2 are pretty much the same thing.
03:55:50allelehehe gotta love number 4
03:56:52Class374 is my friend
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04:00:24alleleso, would anyone else be interested in a 2.5d engine like doom that's more customizable?
04:02:44LloreanI don't really think Rockbox needs more games, but nobody's stopping you.
04:05:29csc`allele: what are ye itching at?
04:05:43csc`allele: like a custom game for Rbox?
04:05:50csc`or another port
04:13:30allelesomething like that, sort of in the proof of concept stage at the moment
04:14:02allelehoping to be able to make a game like dynasty warriors, but enough of a knockoff that it can be an official plugin
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05:11:45zajacattackHey, quick question: can I use a playlist in extended m3u format to give some wav files titles? and, if I can and do, will rockbox be able to read those titles from the playlist file and display them?
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05:13:48scorchehttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6075
05:14:40zajacattackThanks scorche!
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05:58:37RunningUtesAre there any plugins that would allow for encryption/decryption of text? I was looking for a plugin similar to the text viewer that could be used to password protect a text file using something like RC4, TEA, or bluefish. anyone know of anything available?
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06:00:05scorcheall plugins that are in an acceptable state have been included with rockbox...you can search the patch tracker for any plugin patches for what you wish to do, however i believe it is only a feature request at the moment
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06:01:06RunningUtesI did find one request on the patch tracker
06:01:32scorcheit isnt just a patch tracker, but yes...as i said it is likely just a feature request
06:02:03RunningUtesFS #5534
06:03:18RunningUteswould it be hard to create a plugin if i am already familiar with C?
06:03:49scorchei couldnt really answer that, as it is quite subjective
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06:09:37cool_walking_There was some talk about creating an encryption plugin a while ago on the mailing list. You should get in touch with that person as he may have already done some work.
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06:13:09cool_walking_Here it is: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-11/0039.shtml
06:16:25RunningUtesthanks for the link
06:17:03RunningUtesI just downloaded the rockbox source and the text editor looks much easier to play with then the text viewer
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08:44:55B4gderthe AT&T service replied and said they're lifting the block of our server
08:45:15LloreanGood news!
08:45:20Lloreandid they say why/how it got blocked?
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08:45:22B4gder"within 24-36 hours from the receipt this letter."
08:45:29B4gdernot a word about that
08:45:37B4gderthis is just an automated reply
08:47:35LloreanAaaah
08:48:51B4gderbut it's weird since I gave no real reason for the unblock request
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08:49:04B4gderI just said I don't know why it was blocked in the first place
08:49:22scorchepassed the turing test?
08:49:47B4gderyeah, "oh this guy filled in the free text field, do the unblock"
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08:58:13cool_walking_Has anyone found a source of 160GB ZIF drives that ships internationally?
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09:00:02cool_walking_Or, would someone in the US be willing to buy and ship one for me and accept payment through Paypal?
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09:07:36amiconnAfaik no such drives exist yet
09:08:02amiconnThe disk in the 160GB ipod classic has a CE-ATA interface
09:09:05cool_walking_https://www.nowdirect.com/exec/partInfo/part_detail.tsb?prcpart=SAMHS160JB&categoryid=#top
09:09:36cool_walking_http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/productmodel.do?group=72&type=60&subtype=68&model_cd=347&ppmi=1160
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09:48:14BigBambicool_walking_: Yeah, I couldn't find the 160s actually available anywhere
09:48:19BigBambiJust lots of coming soon
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09:58:26cool_walking_BigBambi, https://www.nowdirect.com/exec/partInfo/part_detail.tsb?prcpart=SAMHS160JB&categoryid=#top says 1-4 weeks to get them in, but I'll email them.
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09:59:46pondlifeAnyone object if I commit the H300/X5/M5 RTC patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7814 today?
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10:01:37pondlifeIf any M5 owners could test it, that would be nice though.
10:01:49BigBambicool_walking_: Yeah, I know, but I mean I found loads saying that sort of thing
10:01:59BigBambiWell, not loads
10:02:30BigBambibut you know what I mean
10:03:38pixelmapondlife: if I read correctly I don't even need a new bootloader? (can test on M5)
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10:04:35pondlifeNot sure. That might depend on the age of your bootloader. My H300 bootloader is modified, including an early version of that patch.
10:05:12pondlifeBut all you'd need the bootloader to do is recognise and set the alarm bit, I guess.
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10:06:05pondlifeI'm wanting to get this patch in before any DevCon-based bootloader activity starts ;)
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10:06:15*scorche thinks this is going to be a very busy devcon for many people
10:06:20pondlifeheh
10:07:11pondlifeThe bootloaders will likely be built post-DevCon; it's just the outstanding issues need documenting and testing.
10:07:34pondlifeAnd the presence of JTAG-type hardware will be useful, I suspect.
10:07:34scorchepondlife: earlier i remembered the HAVE_VOICE item before...that was your idea, correct?
10:07:57pondlifeHmm, doesn't ring a bell - explain more?
10:08:16pondlifeDo you mean the ability to make a build without voice support?
10:08:27scorcheyes...much like have_tagcache
10:08:30scorchelike
10:08:48pondlifeI think I used a different #ifdef, so HAVE_VOICE is not familiar to me... but I may have just forgotten
10:09:00scorchepondlifeI added PLAYBACK_VOICE to try and help modularise playback.c..
10:09:21pondlifeIt was just a way of trying to debug playback by removing voice from the equation.
10:09:23scorchei found the resulting conversation, but not the one that spurred it
10:09:41scorchewould it be very helpful in debugging playback?
10:09:44pondlifeBack in the bad old days of codec swapping :)
10:09:47scorche(still?)
10:10:19cool_walking_BigBambi: Yes I saw the same thing with 120GB's when I was looking. I've contacted them through a form on their website. Here's hoping.
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10:12:35scorchepondlif1: would it still be useful, or should i remove it from my list? ;)
10:13:03pondlif1Always useful to modularise
10:13:27pondlif1What were you planning? I've not seen the list.
10:14:44scorchenew vmware image, try to get working on a few ports, a few other misc things
10:15:04pondlif1I mean, relating to HAVE_VOICE?
10:15:51scorchei havent really had a serious look at it since october
10:15:59pondlif1Me neither ;)
10:18:19scorcheat least just starting off learning a bit of the playback system and allowing a build to be built without voice code in a similar fashion to tagcache (although i havent looked at how tied in it is)
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10:37:13pixelmapondlife: it works on M5 but (I think due to the newest bootloader) only somewhat. It tries to start but the trigger is to short and it shuts down again - I get the same with the newest bootloader if I push the power switch for a too short time, wasn't the case before
10:37:29pixelmas/to short/too short
10:37:51pondlifeI guess a new bootloader with the patch should work?
10:38:09pixelmaI think that's a separate "problem"
10:39:25amiconnNo, it's not
10:40:06amiconnThe iaudio bootloader now checks the state of the ON buttons, and if it finds neither one pressed (or the appropriate hold switch engaged), shuts down again
10:40:23amiconnIt will need special handling of alarm to make it work
10:40:41pixelmaever since then I often need two tries to boot my M5 :\
10:41:45pixelmaI can't get used to "holding" that power switch as it is not a ususal button
10:41:58pixelma*usual too
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10:43:05pixelmaamiconn, pondlife: the question though is if the patch already includes the right changes to make it work with a new bootloader, right?
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10:44:53pixelmabut doesn't hurt for now, I guess (and compiles without a problem)
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10:47:01pixelmaand maybe it serves as a reminder for someone to fix this...
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11:31:39pondlifeMonring Nico_P,
11:32:02pondlifeDon't suppose you saw that I had an occurance of the end-of-playlist crash yesterday.
11:32:23pondlifeLet me know if you want any info, or have any ideas where I should poke around.
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11:38:53Nico_Ppondlife: hi
11:39:07pondlifeHi, sorry to pounce..:)
11:39:27pondlifeJust thought you might want to know stuff while it's relatively fresh in my mind
11:39:30Nico_PI hadn't seen it, no. I'm rather busy these days
11:39:37pondlifeheh, me too.
11:40:38Nico_Pwhat exactly happened ?
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12:01:38pondlifeNico_P: Sorry, phone. I played through an album (18 average-ish MP3 128kbps tracks in total). About a minute from the end of track 18, music stopped, and the device was mainly unresponsive (backlight and scrolling working, but no other key input accepted).
12:01:54pondlifeThe hard disk had spun up, so I suspect it was buffering.
12:02:35pondlifeHad to get a pin out and do a hard reset to recover.
12:03:17pondlifeWhen I say "scrolling", I mean the WPS fields scrolling...
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12:07:15pondlifeLinusN: I'm about to commit the H300/X5/M5 RTC alarm (FS #7814). Do you know of any reason that might be a bad idea? I've only tried with my custom bootloader which includes the patch, not with v5...
12:09:04Nico_Ppondlife: hmm, this might've happened to me too... I have no idea what could be causing it though
12:10:16pondlifeMe neither, just thought you might have some input.
12:10:36pondlifeRace condition between buffering and something else I guess.
12:10:41pondlifeBut rare-ish.
12:12:26PaulJampondlife: i could imagine that it confuses users when there is an alarm option but it doesn't work with the official bootloader.
12:12:57pondlifeTrue, but the bootloader update will be coming soon now, and I think we need this in before it's built.
12:13:47pondlifeMr Chicken, meet Mr Egg
12:15:07PaulJamwell, has the cause for the crashes with some harddrives on H300 been identified? or how are you so sure that there will be new bootloaders soon?
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12:15:50pondlifeI'm not sure, but I don't think it's worth holding up progress for.
12:16:05pondlifeAs long as the old bootloader still works, of course.
12:16:59pondlifeThere are so many problems with the v5 H300 bootloader, it really MUST get fixed...:)
12:19:26pondlifeI suppose I could commit the patch but not include the setting. :/
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12:20:22pixelmabtw. I found the alarm setting screen a bit unintuitive. Couldn't it (re)use the usual time setting screen?
12:20:43pixelmaor parts of its code
12:21:24pondlifeYes, I guess it should, but that's another job.
12:22:43peturpondlife: otoh, the patch is ready so it can easily be committed when the bootloader is fixed and ready for release
12:22:50pixelmathough the current way is a bit quicker
12:23:23pondlifepetur: OK, but will whoever builds the official bootloader remember to include the patch..?
12:23:39pondlifeI guess I can just remind them.
12:23:43peturdoes the patch modify the bootloader?
12:23:56pondlifeNot directly
12:24:12*petur thought the svn bootloader already had alarm support
12:25:04pondlifeI just supposed that the bootloader uses the rtc_check..() functions, which are updated
12:25:59pondlifeAlso, will the bootloader include the checks unless HAVE_RTC_ALARM is set - I'd think not.
12:27:16PaulJamthe bootloader from the CFModGide page (which is afaik based on SVN and doesnt include that patch) boots on alarm.
12:27:26pondlifeH300?
12:27:57peturthe CFMod bootloader was just plain SVN with my CF changes applied
12:29:22*pondlife goes to look
12:30:15pondlifeI'll try the latest vanilla SVN I guess.
12:30:23pondlifebootloader, I mean
12:30:24peturshould work
12:30:48pondlifeIs it your 80GB drive that doesn't like SVN ?
12:30:54peturyes
12:30:59pondlife(i.e. the same drive I have...)
12:31:22peturbut I've read at least two reports from people having similar issues, so it's not just my drive
12:31:33pondlifeAnd not just 80GB drives.
12:31:34pondlife?
12:31:44peturand they did not have 80GB disks
12:31:53PaulJami have a MK4007GAL and there it crashes 50% of the time too.
12:31:58peturin fact, those were CF users I think
12:32:29pondlifepetur: Didn't you already try drive/device swaps?
12:32:35peturas far as I can tell, it *always* crashes in thread.c code
12:32:51peturyes, the 80GB in my h320 works fine
12:33:05petur(with svn bootloader)
12:33:37peturs/works/worked
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12:34:45pondlifeSo it seems to be device, not drive related? Or only some combinations?
12:35:08pondlife(i.e. 40GB drive works in both devices, 80GB drive only in one)
12:35:33PaulJampetur: i still have the old 20GB drive of my h300 lying aroung, would it help if i would check that with the SVN bootloader to see if the problem are related to the harddrive or the device itself?
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12:37:24peturI tried various combinations myself, and only the 80GB disk with my h340 fails, other combinations always work
12:38:24pondlifeFun. Sounds similar the the USB bootloader situation. Works fine for some devices, never works on others, and works 50% of the time on some.
12:38:48pondlifeI mean, with v5
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12:39:59pondlifeDo you know if the v5 USB bootloader works reliably or not for your combinations? I know it never works for me with 40GB or 80GB drive.
12:40:33pondlife(Rearrange those words to make a sentence.)
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12:49:08peturv5 always worked fine on my h340
12:49:55peturon h380 too
12:50:03pondlifeBut the H320?
12:50:27peturnever tried (I think)
12:50:32pondlifeAh, ok
12:50:48peturI guess I could try if it helps something
12:51:03pondlifeProbably not, I was just speculating in my head.
12:52:00peturanyway, spare time is really low, and most of it consists of 1 hand free (the other holding a baby) ;)
12:52:34pondlifeheh
12:53:13peturbut I'm catching up with work so things will start getting better
12:54:44pixelmapondlife: the patch breaks those target's manuals (looks like it needs a little tweaking in the platform file) due to the automatic parsing of the lang's features.txt into options that can be used in the manual
12:55:21pondlifeUrgh, I still can't build manuals here... must fix that (or get the VMWare out again).
12:55:36pixelmapush the apostrophe to where it belongs
12:57:20pixelmajust noticed because I'm compiling a bunch of manuals anyways to test my changes...
12:58:19pondlifeDon't suppose you could fix that up for me, if it's not a big job..?
12:58:40pixelmaI could do the change an... will append that to the task once I'm done
12:58:59pondlifeThanks, I doubt I'll ever get the time.
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13:19:46podzcan somone help me
13:20:14markunpodz: what's the problem?
13:23:51B4gder /me checks his crystal ball but it's pitch black so he rolls the dice instead
13:24:18B4gderok, the answer seems to be "read the manual" !
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13:30:15pixelmapondlife: something's weird in the alarm setting screen on my M5: to increase the hour I need to press "right" which sometimes is mistaken as "select" on my M5 in general due to bouncing but became really rare after some pcf drive changes. Now in the alarm setting screen I see it very often again but it seems only there because it doesn't fail the "play bubbles test"
13:30:34pixelmas/drive/driver
13:31:29pondlifeHmm, so the pcf changes have hurt the M5 keyboard driver?
13:34:33pixelmaI don't really understand this as the problem seems to only be back in the alarm settings screen
13:35:01markunthe "use real name" notice should perhaps be even more prominent: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ZbuBen
13:35:35markunAh, I see he made a new account :)
13:36:35pixelmapondlife: I believe the patch is originally older than the fixes, but it doesn't make sense to me...
13:39:41pixelmaor does the alarm screen use a non-standard way to get the button presses?
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13:42:31pondlifeSorry, I don't know - that code isn't new either.
13:47:54podzhello
13:48:07podzoh sorry i was doing somthing
13:48:12podzwell
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13:48:37podzim trying to get rockbox on my ipod and its not working
13:49:09podzanyone...
13:49:22pixelmawhat Ipod?
13:49:36podzuhh
13:49:38podzmini
13:49:47podzi dont know wich gen
13:50:26pixelmawith the greyscale display? does it have the capacity (storage) engraved on the back?
13:50:39podzyea
13:50:42podz2 gb
13:52:48pixelmathen I should be a second generation. Which instructions do you follow, where's the problem? And could you please use the enter key a little less and put your thought on less lines (reasoning is stated in the guidelines linked from the channel's topic)
13:52:49podz..
13:53:02pixelmas/I/it
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13:54:40podzok well when i put it in disk mode and i start up the ipodpatcher.exe it says theres no ipod
13:54:49podzok well when i put it in disk mode and i start up the ipodpatcher.exe it says theres no ipod
13:56:08BigBambiAre you using admin/root rights?
13:56:18podz?
13:56:22podzwhats that
13:56:30BigBambiAre you an administrator on your computer
13:56:38podzyes
13:56:39BigBambiWhat account type do you have?
13:56:44BigBambiAre you sure?
13:56:45podzadmin
13:56:47podzyes
13:56:54podzits the main user
13:57:00podz(the only one)
13:57:08BigBambiOn what OS?
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13:57:21podzos?
13:57:27BigBambioperating system
13:57:31podzvista
13:58:06pixelmaare there really 2nd gen Ipod Minis with 2GB?
13:58:19BigBambiAre you sure it isn't a nano?
13:58:28podzim not sure lol
13:58:35podzumm
13:58:43BigBambihttp://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353
13:59:15podzyea its nano
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13:59:21lomurrockbox
13:59:22BigBambi2nd gen
13:59:44BigBambipodz: As www.rockbox.org says, Rockbox does not run on 2nd Gen Nanos
13:59:46podzi think
13:59:50lomurrockbox
13:59:52BigBambipodz: Is it that that you have?
13:59:55lomurrockbox
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14:00:18B4gderlomur: now stop
14:00:23lomurwith what
14:00:25podzit looks like nano and i dont know what gen
14:00:42BigBambipodz: Did you look at the link I posted
14:00:58podzyes
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14:01:21BigBambipodz: Well then?
14:01:27lomurrockbox
14:01:32podzok 2gen nano
14:01:37lomurrockbox
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14:01:45BigBambi14:00BigBambipodz: As www.rockbox.org says, Rockbox does not run on 2nd Gen Nanos
14:01:52rockboxroxhello
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14:02:15B4gderlomur: stop now then?
14:02:18lomurwith what
14:02:20rockboxroxanyone here involved in the development of rockbox?
14:02:27BigBambirockboxrox: Lots
14:02:32BigBambiIf you have a question, just ask
14:02:37B4gderlomur: your repeating "rockbox"
14:02:44podzwait bambi
14:02:51lomurbecause it's correct
14:02:54podzis there anything i can do
14:02:58Kick(#rockbox lomur :moo on you) by B4gder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder
14:02:59BigBambiNope
14:03:03podzdam
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14:03:15lomurwhy do you kick me
14:03:20rockboxroxI just want to say thank you all - I got a m:robe as a gift recently, but could only use it with window$. I easily installed rockbox on the m:robe and now it works like charm
14:03:32BigBambirockboxrox: cool :)
14:03:43podzcan u guys try to come out with one for 2 gen nano plzzz
14:03:48lomur?
14:03:52BigBambipodz: It doesn't work like that
14:03:58markunpodz: it's quite difficult
14:04:01podz?
14:04:02lomurI only said it was correct
14:04:06B4gderlomur: you must behave
14:04:08BigBambipodz: Read www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPorts
14:04:15podzk
14:04:20rockboxroxI saw some words that a calendar was on the wishlist - any progress on that?
14:04:25BigBambipodz: and add to it that the Nanao 2nd gen is encrypted with undocumented hardware
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14:04:43lomurB4gder: I behaved all the time
14:04:43markunpodz: the hardware in the nano 2g is very different from the 1g and everything is encrypted
14:04:49lomurI only said rockbox
14:04:50BigBambirockboxrox: Other than what is on the tracker, not that I know of
14:04:54B4gderlomur: good, then stop repeating yourself
14:05:12lomurbut rockbox is correct, isn't it?
14:05:25BigBambipodz: Sorry, www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort
14:05:29B4gderlomur: this is my final warning and I will ban you
14:05:35B4gderstop the crap
14:05:42podzok
14:05:56rockboxroxBigBambi: I'll be patient than - but it would be great if I could sync it with evolution etc!
14:06:06lomurwhy so aggressive? I want to be a friend of yours
14:06:07BigBambirockboxrox: Then get coding :)
14:06:13B4gderlomur: then BEHAVE
14:06:31BigBambirockboxrox: But yes, for updates you can watch the front page
14:06:43markunlomur: do you use rockbox?
14:06:55lomurrockbox is a beautiful word
14:07:01B4gderit is
14:07:16markunB4gder picked the name :)
14:07:18BigBambirockboxrox: However, people work on what they want, so unless someone comes along who really wants that and works on it to make it happen, it won't
14:07:27*BigBambi thought Zagor
14:07:28desowinyes, rockbox unfortunately is ambiguous due to that tracker with same name
14:07:29rockboxroxBigBambi: I wish I could. I am too stupid for that. I am part of the dumb user group :-)
14:07:31B4gdermarkun: actually zagor did
14:07:36markunoops
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14:08:13BigBambirockboxrox: I'm with you there :)
14:08:24podzok then thx for your help
14:08:30BigBambino problem
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14:09:05LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Ping!
14:09:18lomurpong
14:09:29LambdaCalculus37lomur: Not you.
14:09:41lomurI play roman ping, you play roman pong, like to civilised senators
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14:11:10B4gdervery complicated ban pattern ;-)
14:12:45LambdaCalculus37B4gder: Thanks for that.
14:13:20rockboxroxok, thanks for the info - please keep up developing RockBox - It rox! - I'd be happy to test any new feature - thanks again all of you who are involved in this - It is a great thing.
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14:16:21LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: I tried your suggestion that you posted at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17158.msg127635#msg127635, and now my 4G color is displaying all bitmaps properly.
14:16:40LambdaCalculus37However, I've yet to find out the proper LCD init sequence.
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14:26:32pixelmapondlife: the issue seems to be a button action conflict... I think I understand what's happening, let's see if I can fix it
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14:30:19pixelmaI just wonder why it doesn't affect other settings screens (or noone noticed so far)
14:31:12LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Are you talking about the 4G iPod color LCD?
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14:32:20pixelmano, about the alarm patch for H300/X5/M5
14:32:42LambdaCalculus37Ahh, sorry about that. :)
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14:35:04pixelmano problem :)
14:37:16LambdaCalculus37Actually, I do want to brush up quickly on building bootbox for my JBRv1. I run ../tools/configure, pick Recorder, build bootloader, then make. I have bootbox.bin in a /bootloader folder in my build folder.
14:37:27LambdaCalculus37Is that correct?
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14:47:38pixelmapondlife: got it, will comment (and attach the diff) later today
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14:51:54pixelmapondlife: turns out that it was just coincidence that the button action conflict looked the same as the button driver problem on my device...
14:53:35peturworked here....
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14:54:20pixelmapetur: it's specific to the X5/M5 pad, the h300 keymap file already looks differently
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15:32:51MTee_hello
15:33:59MTee_I want to start developing rockbox .. could someone help me get started with it ?
15:34:31delorean90have you read over the rockbox site?
15:36:06krazykitMTee_, the "for developers" section of the wiki is an excellent place to start reading :)
15:36:37MTee_ok .. I'll start there then :)
15:36:38markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers
15:37:01pixelmaI wonder... should "how to create the Spectrum .tap files (for ZXBox)" be mentioned in the manual or the wiki? There already is a link to the utilities section on the worldofspectrum site in the "hacking graphics" part....
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15:40:23gevaertsI'm not sure. It somehow depends on what you want on them. Picture-to-tap has tools, but cassette-to-tap has different tools
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15:51:08pixelmamaybe just link the utilities in a more general part?
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17:19:10wpyhhi all
17:19:35wpyhI've finished my second round of iPod runtime testing, and have updated the IpodRuntime page
17:20:03wpyhRB gets 21h 30min, while the OF gets 22h 30min
17:20:06wpyhthat's pretty close
17:21:42wastrelruntime testing takes a long time
17:21:55wpyhcomparing with other peoples' results, I think the best improvement that CF card takes comes to RB
17:22:11wpyhthe OF does at least 20 straight hours with the HD and with the CF
17:22:52markunwpyh: nice results
17:22:55wpyhwastrel: yes, but luckily I have a video and a nano, so I can listen to the nano while the video sits in my drawer
17:23:25wpyhmarkun: :)
17:25:49wpyhso, I think we can close the remaining 1 hour gap by: 1) using the dma hardware, which I think would get us ~10-15 mins, 2) optimizing the codec, another ~20-30 mins, 3) optimizing the use of power, like setting the registers correctly for example, another ~20-30 mins, 4) optimizing RB overall some more would give us better results than the OF
17:27:32wpyh*BUT* for most people out there who don't use the CF card mod, I think using the DMA hardware will give the biggest boost
17:27:44wpyhso, anyone volunteering? ;)
17:28:12markunwpyh: you? :)
17:28:27wpyhmarkun: uh...
17:28:28markunbtw, what makes you think it will give such a big boost?
17:28:31wpyhdisclaimer: I'm no expert
17:28:56wpyhwell, it's just a "not-so-wild" guess actually
17:29:14wpyhbecause I don't have battbench results for the 80 GB hdd
17:29:35wpyhlet's compare another user's results then
17:29:57wpyhthere's this one with "16h 49min" on a 60GB ipod video with RB
17:30:19wpyhI'd say 60 GB and 80 GB models don't differ by much for the battery runtime
17:30:53LambdaCalculus37Some reports have said that the 80GB models get just a *little* more runtime, but who knows?
17:31:12wpyhmy result with RB is 22h 00min and 21h 30min, so there's about 5h difference
17:31:25wpyhbut my result is with the CF card, not with the hdd
17:31:31wpyhthen, compare the OF runtimes
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17:32:28wpyhthat user reported around 21h 30min when his ipod was not so old (batteries wear out), with the hdd, while mine is 22h 30min with the CF, so the difference is just 1 hour
17:33:13wpyhLambdaCalculus37: well, I think that's more of a battery age issue :p
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17:33:44markunThere are attachments on the wiki main page again. I wonder how that happens every time.
17:33:46wpyhLambdaCalculus37: not that I dismiss those reports though :p
17:34:01LambdaCalculus37I would love to get a ZIF-to-CF adapter for my iPod video. :)
17:34:18*wpyh hands LambdaCalculus37 one
17:34:20markunwpyh: ideally you would do another runtime test with a HDD, do you still have it?
17:34:23LambdaCalculus37I also have this old busted 4G greyscale that's just screaming for a CF card.
17:34:33*LambdaCalculus37 wishes he could just get one via IRC ;)
17:34:42wpyhyes, I still have the hdd since I haven't found a buyer for it yet ;)
17:34:52wpyhI will test it after my exams (20/6)
17:35:30wpyhLambdaCalculus37: I think there are sellers on ebay
17:35:48wpyhI've put some info in the CFModGuide :)
17:37:00wpyhmarkun: looking at the attachment, it could be part of RB
17:37:08wpyhmaybe there's a bug in the wiki software?
17:37:39markunwpyh: yes, that's what I think
17:38:12wpyhwe have to wait for wiki admins to fix/patch it then
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17:48:07*BigBambi spots lots of wild guessing on numbers with no evidence
17:48:45BigBambiFor instance, Rockbox already gets better runtime than the OFs on quite a few players
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17:49:24wpyhBigBambi: yes, that's why it's just a guess; but it's not a wild guess IMO
17:49:33BigBambiAnd saratoga and Buschel who have spent quite a lot of time profiling codecs to find out exactly where they can be optimised would love to know the provenance of 2) optimizing the codec, another ~20-30 mins,
17:49:39wpyhand you can't compare different types of players
17:49:49BigBambiespecially as a lot of them are in assembly already
17:50:03BigBambiwpyh: It is just a valid as your meaningless guesses
17:51:02wpyhBigBambi: the codec being in assembly doesn't make it optimal ;)
17:51:49BigBambino, but it generally makes it faster than C (not always)
17:51:50markunBigBambi: well, if switching from HDD to CF makes a bigger impact to runtime in rockbox than the OF it's not such a 'meaningless guess'
17:52:05BigBambiwpyh: My point is, you are pulling numbers out of thin air
17:52:21*BigBambi would just like a little bit of research first
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17:53:26markunthey are pulled from runtime tests and the wiki
17:53:54BigBambimarkun: you can't guess at where different savings can be made from that, surely
17:54:06BigBambisure, you can look at the overall difference
17:54:15BigBambiand say some could be from there, and some from there
17:54:26BigBambiBut I find it hard to believe you can put numbers on it
17:54:34wpyhwell, I'm reading data from other peoples' results, so it's not a scientifically valid analysis
17:55:00BigBambiI didn't mean to sound as harsh as I did rereading it btw
17:55:04BigBambiSo sorry about that
17:55:13wpyhBigBambi: no hard feelings :)
17:55:25BigBambiI just don't see how you can get at the numbers :)
17:55:34wpyhand as I said, I will try to test it again after the exams
17:56:07BigBambiwpyh: Sure, I'm just trying to understqnd :)
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17:57:10wpyhBigBambi: you mean the small gains / portions of the 1 hour difference? it's a very rough estimate, but basically: 1. the disk would be out of the picture, since DMA with CF won't gain much; 2. the rest is split quite evenly between codec optimization and power usage
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17:58:42wpyhuh, by power usage I mean power management, like for example setting the voltage control registers to a power-saving mode
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18:00:53pixelmahmm fun... on targets the plugin "dice" is in the "games" category while it is described in the "applications" part in the manual (which was there before, I think)
18:06:10BigBambiwpyh: OK :) Home time now anyway :)
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18:30:21saratogaI saw some speculation about power use in the logs, i'll refer you to my June 1 email to the dev mailing list
18:31:03saratogawith that in mind, you could probably get 2 hours of extra battery life using a codec that doesn't boost (like FLAC or MPC)
18:31:42saratogaand another 1.5 hours using a codec that didn't boost at 24MHz core clock
18:31:56saratoga(assuming a flash PP target)
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19:54:29leachim6Hey
19:56:17bluebrotherhello
19:56:51leachim6I'm sure that you guys are tired of getting this question
19:56:56leachim6can I run rockbox on a 5g iPod ?
19:57:01leachim6not a 5.5 ... an original 5g
19:57:32scorche|shyes...as the front page should indicate
19:58:02leachim6is there a gui installer for linux ?
19:58:13LambdaCalculus37There's Rockbox Utility.
19:58:23domonokyleachim6: yes, rbutil its in the wiki..
19:59:14leachim6can you link me to the faq ... I'm sure these questions I'm about to ask have been asked hundreds of times
19:59:24bluebrotherleachim6: I'd suggest you check http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
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19:59:49bluebrother(and that's rather easy to find: follow the white rabbit ... errr link labelled "manual")
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20:01:14leachim6so bottom line ... can I brick my iPod with this ?
20:01:53domonokyrockbox recommended way of bricking an ipod is a Hammer, use it with gusto :-)
20:02:14domonokyipods are nearly unbrickable (by software)
20:02:33bluebrotherdomonoky: you missed the quotation marks ;-)
20:02:59*domonoky assumed this quote is under GPL :-)
20:03:01leachim6domonoky, that's encouraging
20:03:10leachim6is there a way to restore my iPod on linux ?
20:03:16bluebrotherleachim6: worst case is that you'll loose all your data on the Ipod though that is quite unlikely
20:03:55domonokyleachim6: there is a "ManualRestore- howto" page in the wiki, which you can use under Linux..
20:04:21leachim6bluebrother, you should have your music backed up ...
20:04:23leachim6:)
20:04:36bluebrotherleachim6: it didn't happen to me ;-)
20:04:45leachim6It's happened to me
20:04:50bluebrotherbut backups are a good idea anyway
20:04:50leachim6that's why I backup my music now :)
20:07:45leachim6so what's the difference between Rockbox and iPod Linux ... any relation ?
20:07:49leachim6IS rockbox linux ?
20:07:55bluebrotherno.
20:08:10bluebrotherRockbox uses code from IPL but it's a system of its own
20:08:15leachim6so it's completely "from the ground up"
20:08:19LambdaCalculus37Yes.
20:08:28leachim6is it more efficient than linux on the iPod ?
20:08:37leachim6i always thought booting a linux kernel on the iPod was kind of overkill
20:08:48bluebrotherRockbox goal was to be a music player while IPL wanted to run linux on the ipod
20:09:03leachim6Also...I've heard many more success stories from Rockbox than I have from iPod linux
20:09:12leachim6and it runs doom ... so what else do you need right :)
20:09:16pixelmaand Rockbox didn't start on Ipods
20:09:23bluebrotherwho needs doom?
20:09:33LambdaCalculus37We need music, now Doom. ;)
20:09:37LambdaCalculus37s/now/not
20:09:38Horschtbluebrother, it is generaly a show.off thing
20:09:48bluebrotherRockbox started with "old" archos players using special hardware to decode the audio
20:10:05bluebrotherHorscht: remove doom! (one more situation where I can say this ;-)
20:10:18FOADDoom metal FTW.
20:10:33bluebrotherremembers me ... I haven't installed the wad on my new toy :)
20:10:34Horschti don't realy see the point of removing it, I never used it though
20:10:43leachim6in linux ... my iPod is showed as havin 2 partitions ... sdd1 and sdd2 ... sdd2 is the data partition , what's the other one ?
20:10:56bluebrotherthe firmware partition
20:10:57Horschtsystem partition
20:11:01leachim6ahhah
20:11:05leachim6what FS is that ?
20:11:13bluebrotherit's used by the Apple firmware and bootloader.
20:11:23bluebrotherit doesn't use a filesystem.
20:11:28leachim6so it's not an FS ... hmm
20:11:42leachim6does rockbox modify that partition ?
20:11:46bluebrotheror at least no usual filesystem (not 100% what it really is ... I _think_ it's just binary data)
20:12:02bluebrotheryes. The bootloader is located there and therefore it needs to get modified
20:12:17leachim6there is no plaintext that I can find in /dev/sdd1
20:12:23leachim6so I think it's just a binary blob
20:12:34bluebrotherbut you can uninstall the Rockbox bootloader without problems. In case you have issues you always can dd the firmware image from apple to that partition and are back again
20:13:27leachim6command for that ?
20:13:49leachim6dd if=/home/user/ipodbackup.blob of=/dev/sdd1 ?
20:13:53bluebrotheruninstalling the bootloader or putting back the apple fw?
20:13:54domonokyleachim6: just use ipodpatcher or rbutil, buth can do this for you.. :-)
20:13:59leachim6wait ... I did that backwards
20:14:30leachim6It just now occurred to me that if = Input File and of= Output File
20:14:44Horschtyes, yes indeed
20:14:50bluebrotherdomonoky: well, there's a slight difference: ipodpatcher undoes the bootloader modifications it did. It doesn't simply overwrite with a new image ;-)
20:15:11domonokyyes, our patchers are smarter then dd :-)
20:15:48leachim6who wrote rbutil!
20:15:49leachim6...
20:16:21*domonoky and bluebrother :-)
20:16:29domonokyand a few others..
20:16:30leachim6well then!
20:16:32leachim6great job you guys
20:16:48leachim6It's very polished ... especially for a beta
20:16:54leachim6or whatever version it is now
20:17:09bluebrotherI called it "m1" for Milestone ;-)
20:17:20leachim6so ... if I do a compact installation ... can I use rbutil to go back and add packages ?
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20:17:32leachim6I'd just like to do a minimal install to see if it works
20:17:36bluebrotheryes.
20:17:37leachim6then add the cool packages
20:17:40leachim6ok great
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20:18:00leachim6is there a list of rockbox packages I can look at ?
20:18:01leachim6extra ones
20:18:03bluebrotherbut those packages are mainly fonts and themes. And the game file for doom, if you want to use that
20:18:39leachim6so not as many packages as iPod linux then :(
20:19:03leachim6ok...it says installation finished successfully
20:19:04leachim6what do I do now
20:19:05domonokyno, everthing else is already included, no need for extra packages :-)
20:19:09leachim6unmount it ?
20:19:16LambdaCalculus37And enjoy Rockbox.
20:19:18bluebrotherremembers me, what's the status of the midi patchset?
20:19:21leachim6great
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20:19:33leachim6is there a way I can make it boot into the apple OS by default ?
20:19:48bluebrother"full isntall" in rbutil simply allows you to install themes the same time and also installs the fonts
20:19:55bluebrotherleachim6: no, and this is not wanted.
20:20:02leachim6it is by me ...
20:20:07leachim6would it take a lot of code ?
20:20:17bluebrotherbut it's also not needed. Rockbox shuts down the hardware completely while apple only "sleeps"
20:20:31leachim6wait ... it will let me shutdown my iPod
20:20:33leachim6finally !
20:20:40leachim6lol ... what was apple thinking with that
20:20:41bluebrotherdue to this you need to hard reset the Ipod to go back to Rockbox. So there is really no need to boot AppleOS first.
20:20:53bluebrotherwell, it starts faster ...
20:20:54leachim6is there a way I can get a choice on boo t?
20:21:09bluebrotherno
20:21:11leachim6bluebrother, yeah ... but I come back a while later and it's dead
20:21:26leachim6when I click install themes it says no themes found
20:21:31bluebrotherexcept if you use IPL's Loader2, but that is completely unsupported by us.
20:21:40bluebrotherwhat Ipod do you have? Video?
20:21:43leachim6yes
20:21:57domonokyleachim6: the themes for ipod5g are disabled in rbutil, you have to download it manually..
20:22:01bluebrotherthen this is correct. Those have been disabled on the server due to bandwith reasons
20:22:07leachim6ahh
20:22:15leachim6can I still use rbutil if I download them manually ?
20:22:29leachim6domonoky, how come you guys don't use sourceforge ?
20:22:32bluebrotheryes, but you can't use it for installation.
20:22:36Buschelwpyh: your CF-mod shows that HDD needs about 5-6mA over the CF-modded hardware −− more than i thought. as users of the OF (i never used it) stated that buffering in OF is about 2x faster, i would assume that DMA could bring up to 2-3mA savings. this equals 1,5-2 hours
20:22:36leachim6some weird ethical reason
20:22:56bluebrotherbut installation is rather simple. Just unzip the zip file to the root of your player.
20:22:57leachim6so when I click install doom , that goes on the data partition right ?
20:22:58domonokyleachim6: sourceforge is so slow, in the beginning rockbox was on sourceforge..
20:23:06leachim6domonoky, yeah ... but it's free
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20:23:12leachim6pretty fast for me
20:23:33leachim6I have to close rbutil before I unmount my iPod right
20:23:35leachim6'cause it's using it
20:24:03domonokyleachim6: no doom goes to the data partition, not firmware, its just a file at the right place..
20:24:14leachim6I just said that
20:24:20leachim6"so when I click install doom , that goes on the data partition right ?"
20:24:35bluebrotherno need to unmount −− the file system isn't locked.
20:24:48Buschelwpyh: another thing is that RB can switch off the power supply, OF does not (from my measurements). so, the difference in runtime between OF and RB is even higher than you have measured. if that is mainly based upon codec we definately have some work to do :)
20:24:49bluebrotherit doesn't hurt though ;-)
20:25:35Buschelbtw, did anyone ever make measurements of mp3-decoded files via lineout and compared OF to RB output?
20:26:07leachim6can rockbox play video ?
20:26:17Buschelwith special files (higher frequencies cut) we might see some difference of the decoders quality... at least it's worth a try
20:26:34bluebrotheryes. See http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer
20:26:42domonokyleachim6: you should really read the manual... :-)
20:26:51leachim6sorry
20:27:14bluebrotherthe IpodFAQ wiki page is also an interesting read I gues ...
20:27:41Buschelregarding codec precision: maybe higher noise floor or some residual peaks in the spectrogram could be observed
20:32:07leachim6there's no mp4 support :(
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20:33:24leachim6so since there's no mp4 support that means no DivX or XviD either
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20:34:46bluebrotherno, but you'd have to transcode the videos to the correct size anyway.
20:34:50domonokyleachim6: you have to convert your movies anyway, because you need the right resolution (not enoght power to decode fullsize video and resize)
20:35:18bluebrotherand the Ipod isn't powerful enough to decode mpeg4 −− the video has an extra chip for that, but that is completely undocumented (and unknown)
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20:50:02MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: There's a photo for you in the forums.
20:51:20*LambdaCalculus37 goes to see... he has a good idea of what it is ;)
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20:51:43LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Wow! Congrats, dude! :)
20:52:37LambdaCalculus37We now have custom code on the c100!
20:53:23MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: Pretty sad really, I'm feeling a bit overwealmed by the code structure. Rockbox is a real monster.
20:55:16LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: I think you may be interested in FS #9096. It's a little extra bit of code from shotofadds that *may* display the NAND ID.
20:57:02LambdaCalculus37And for your hard work...
20:57:06*LambdaCalculus37 hands MarcGuay a beer
20:59:13MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: Already got one, thanks. :) It is getting warm, though...
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21:09:32MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37, shotofadds: After applying that patch nothing is displayed.
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21:16:30LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Nothing meaning, "nothing at all"? Or "nothing extra
21:16:35LambdaCalculus37"?
21:19:10MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: Nothing at all, running the nand_read_id() function seems to cause a breakdown.
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21:20:13*LambdaCalculus37 tries it on his m240
21:20:43MarcGuayIs anyone working on fixing Flyspray?
21:20:45LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Same thing. Nothing is displayed.
21:21:11LambdaCalculus37I'll comment on the patch in Flyspray. Want to comment as well?
21:21:20LambdaCalculus37That way shotofadds will know that it's not working.
21:21:24MarcGuayTo be more specific, fixing the blank pages. It's making it difficult to work with. Lambda: Did.
21:21:44LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Okay, my turn now. :)
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21:22:02livingdaylighthi
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21:22:10vertic23hey
21:22:15livingdaylighti was shopping for an mp3 player
21:22:34vertic23my X5V is not charging anymoren through power cable... but only with usb plugged :/ what can I do to fix this?
21:22:47livingdaylightall we have here on the high street in the uk, it seems, is creative zen, ipod, and errr..samsung or something
21:23:04vertic23try the interweb!
21:23:22LambdaCalculus37And we have eBay, where you can find a Rockbox-compatible player.
21:23:56livingdaylighti was looking for an iAudio but they're not sold on the highstreets anymore here... i wanted that coz it plays .flac out of the box which none of the other do, plus its awesome audio quality i hear...
21:24:21vertic23iwhat is highstreets? ...forget that street if you have internets!'
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21:24:37MarcGuaylivingdaylight: All Rockbox supported players can play .flac.
21:24:54gevaertsMarcGuay: not entirely. The old archoses don't
21:24:56LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Not quite. Don't forget about the MP3-only Archos players.
21:25:14vertic23true, don't forget the archos, MarcGuay!
21:25:18MarcGuaylivingdaylight: If you're looking for general advice on buying a player, you might want to try sites/channels devoted to that.
21:25:19vertic23;D
21:25:23MarcGuayMy bad. Easy folks. :)
21:25:39livingdaylightMarcGuay: do you know any?
21:25:43MarcGuayI always sleep on the Archoses.
21:25:50vertic23well, now for real - anything for my X5V problem :(
21:26:01MarcGuaylivingdaylight: anythingbutipod.com has good reviews.
21:26:07livingdaylighti was on rockbox website and it seems it doesn't run on creative zen, is that right?
21:26:08vertic23and is recharging through USB slower than by power cable?!
21:26:09wastrelarchos MarcGuay
21:26:18livingdaylightMarcGuay: thanks
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21:28:12MarcGuaylivingdaylight: Not yet... It's being worked on, though. Check the NewPorts forum thread and the wiki page for the status.
21:28:28vertic23MarcGuay :/ can you tell me?
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21:28:37MarcGuayvertic23: No idea, sorry.
21:28:49vertic23maybe you can buy me then a new player?
21:28:55vertic23is it worth now buying a new hdd?
21:29:15vertic23should I commit suicide? how will I survive :/
21:29:28LambdaCalculus37vetric23: Stop this right now.
21:29:36LambdaCalculus37Either keep it on-topic or leave.
21:29:51vertic23ok, I'll stay
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21:30:58MarcGuayvertic23: Did it just suddenly stop working? Perhaps your cable is fried?
21:31:28vertic23hopefully not - over usb it's working
21:31:34vertic23so ..can't be the adapter
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21:42:53fmlpixelma: I'd say dice is an application which is used when you want to play a game. But it's still an app (and not a game).
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21:56:15MarcGuayPressing the buttons on the c100 causes changes in GPIOA, some of which are unique (menu/power, select, hold) while others are not (volume up/down and dir-down are the same, and left-up-right dirs are the same as well). Is this abnormal or does it just mean that the details are elsewhere?
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21:58:16MarcGuayI notice in other button drivers the ADC is where this is at.
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22:09:07domonokyMarcGuay: yes, most players use a combination of ADC and GPIO for buttons, (ie some are connected directly, and other buttons in a restore-network via ADC )
22:09:28amiconns/restore/resistor/ ;)
22:09:35domonoky:-)
22:09:43*domonoky cant type today.. :-)
22:09:47MarcGuaydomonoky: Okay, thank you.
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22:17:13MarcGuaylinuxstb: Howdy. Any thoughts on the c100 LCD mis-alignment?
22:18:08MarcGuaylinuxstb: I'm just piecing together the buttons now using the 5 lines that are displayed... :)
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22:18:34linuxstbMarcGuay: I'm just staring at your photo now...
22:19:16MarcGuaylinuxstb: Give it a good glaring-at.
22:19:26linuxstbHave you tried what shotofadds suggested in the forum - trying to just write blocks of colour to the screen?
22:19:57MarcGuaylinuxstb: Honestly, I didn't know where to begin to try such a thing.
22:20:22linuxstbWhat about just writing a single line of text?
22:20:51linuxstbThe GraphicsAPI wiki page may give you a clue. You could test it out in the sim (e.g. by playing with a plugin) to get the hang of the graphics API.
22:20:53wastreldoes the cpu have text primitives?
22:21:01wastrelor gpu i guess what do i know.
22:21:02MarcGuaylinuxstb: So modify the show_debug_screen() method to just printf a line?
22:21:11linuxstbwastrel: What cpu/gpu?
22:21:19linuxstbMarcGuay: Yes.
22:21:30linuxstbe.g. just printf("Hello world!")
22:21:33wastreli dunno :] don't know anything about the hardware on these things.
22:21:51linuxstbWhat things? Rockbox runs on about 20 different things
22:22:09MarcGuaylinuxstb: Well, if I comment out everything but the scrolling line it displays it, but in the same "first line" position as in the phot.
22:22:15MarcGuayphot=photo
22:22:32linuxstbAnd do you get the corruption at the top at the same time?
22:22:53*amiconn wonders where that photo is
22:23:28*Bagder blogged it just now since the progress is cool...
22:23:29linuxstbamiconn: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12652.msg127713
22:23:41MarcGuaylinuxstb: and I don't see anything else in the function that would screw it up... Corruption = yes, always. Even if nothing is displayed. Let me try and clear the whole function and see if it still happens.
22:24:23linuxstbMarcGuay: Did you modify the lcd_update_rect function, or is that identical to the c200?
22:24:28Bagderbtw, linux journal has a 6 minute video with rockbox
22:24:44amiconnI think it's just an lcd controller offset
22:25:09amiconnThe controller is obviously able to drive a larger panel than the one actually connected (quite common thing)
22:25:12Bagderhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/video/review-rockbox
22:25:13LloreanBagder: It looks like there's a recovery mode for the V2 Sansas now.
22:25:20amiconnDo you know what controller that is?
22:25:32BagderLlorean: just somewhat "physical" ;-)
22:25:33linuxstbI forget the name, but it's the same (or very similar) to the c200
22:25:35MarcGuaylinuxstb: I left it the same.
22:25:51bertrikLlorean, \o/
22:25:51LloreanBagder: Well, better than "none" :)
22:25:55Bagderindeed
22:26:03MarcGuayamiconn: S6B33B2
22:26:03amiconnWhat res is the panel?
22:26:08LloreanHopefully it won't be needed often, or by many, anyway
22:26:45MarcGuayamiconn: 128x64
22:26:46LloreanBagder: Wow, he's got a lot of unsupported players in that video. :)
22:27:03amiconnHmm, and the controller can drive up to 132x162
22:27:04Bagderindeed
22:27:19amiconnMarcGuay: Do you have the driver code somewhere to take a look?
22:27:46MarcGuayamiconn: Should be in one of my last posts in the c200 forum thread.
22:27:58pixelmac100?
22:27:59amiconnhrmmmrrmmm
22:28:03*amiconn goes to look
22:28:18MarcGuaypixelma: Meh. Indeed. :)
22:29:00bertrikhmm, the ipod in the linuxjournal runs a r15862 version :P
22:29:11MarcGuaylinuxstb: If I get rid of all of the contents of show_debug_screen() in telechips.c, I get the corrupted top third and a blinking backlight.
22:29:58pixelmaall those Sandisk character+triple-digit model names are calling for confusion... ;)
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22:30:03amiconnMarcGuay: You basically just copied the c200 driver, correct?
22:30:04Crouchiehey hey
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22:30:31linuxstbamiconn: The init code is from the c100 OF, but the lcd_update_rect() function is a copy of the c200
22:30:43amiconnSo the problem is solved...
22:30:59MarcGuayamiconn: Work your magic.
22:31:06amiconnThe c200 has the panel at offset 26 (0x1a), while the c100 obviously has it at 0
22:31:32amiconnRemove all the .. + 0x1a in the update functions for the y coord
22:31:58*petur whatched the review and thinks it is crap
22:32:25petur-h
22:32:52amiconnbertrik: Urgh, stone age...
22:34:06MarcGuayamiconn: Nice, getting a full screen now. Still too many lines, though, which I guess is the reason Count is getting pushed up to the top.
22:34:26amiconnToo many lines in what way?
22:35:14MarcGuayamiconn: The debug screen has more info lines than the screen can display, so the last one is looping up to the top and covering the scrolling line.
22:35:48amiconnHmm. Iirc the debug screen just cuts lines not fitting onto the screen...
22:36:14amiconnWhich screen is that? Ports?
22:36:37linuxstbamiconn: MarcGuay is talking about a "debug" screen in bootloader/telechips.c
22:36:43amiconnah
22:36:46MarcGuayamiconn: Let me just double check that I'm not pulling this out of my rear.
22:36:56amiconnOk, bootloader printf() does wrap to the top
22:37:09amiconn(and afaik the bootloader has no scrolling)
22:37:26linuxstbThe telechips one does...
22:37:36Genre9mp3petur: crap indeed
22:37:47*amiconn likes the GPIOA value in the screenshot ;)
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22:37:58MarcGuayamiconn: :)
22:38:04amiconnlinuxstb: why is that?
22:38:06MarcGuaymakin' me hungry
22:38:41linuxstbamiconn: Just for testing. All my work so far has been in the bootloader, and interrupts/threading is enable.
22:38:44linuxstb+d
22:39:03amiconnMarcGuay: Btw, the to 26 pixel rows were just garbage in the controller's internal ram, never cleared by our driver because of the wrong offset
22:39:14amiconns/to/top/
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22:39:42amiconnlinuxstb: Why don't you try booting main rb instead?
22:40:01linuxstbIt's not very happy with a lack of NAND driver...
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22:40:46amiconnCouldn't you at least boot main rb instead of the bootloader?
22:41:00amiconn(easier than changing the bootloader so much imho)
22:41:07linuxstbProbably, but I find it's simpler to play with things in the bootloader.
22:41:26linuxstbIt's not really changing the bootloader, as no bootloader exists...
22:41:38amiconnThen you know what's most important next...
22:42:01amiconnSomewhat reminds me of the early stages of the Ondio port...
22:42:22linuxstbI just find it easier to test/debug drivers in the bootloader.
22:42:33amiconnI mean the driver...
22:42:52linuxstbYes, NAND driver is obviously top of my list. I just have no rockbox time ATM :(
22:44:25linuxstbBut a few people seem to be hacking on tcc77x devices now, and shotofadds has started a NAND driver (blindly...)
22:44:42*scorche|sh neakily slides something else to the top of linuxstb's list
22:44:59*scorche|sh sneakily adds an "s" so the last sentence
22:45:16*Bagder sneakily removes it again
22:45:24MarcGuaylinuxstb: Me and Lambda tried his patch earlier with the same results: problems.
22:45:33linuxstbMarcGuay: Yes, I read that in the logs
22:46:06linuxstbMarcGuay: Have you found any buttons on GPIO pins?
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22:47:02linuxstbHow did you test the patch? Does the C100 have a way to enter USB boot mode, or did you flash a dual-boot bootloader?
22:47:09*amiconn would like to see something else than an arm variant in a new rockbox target...
22:47:30Bagderamiconn: there are other things? ;-P
22:47:38linuxstbblackfin!
22:47:43Bagderhaha
22:47:44amiconnWasn't there some mips target being researched?
22:47:50Bagderyes, there was
22:47:58Bagderone of those chinese ones I beleive
22:48:09bluebrotherthis "Chinachip" thing?
22:48:09scorche|shlinuxstb: what is left to do on your version of the theme site again?
22:48:34linuxstbI was working on the validation/checking of the uploaded zip files.
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22:48:46Bagderbluebrother: I don't remember exactly really
22:49:04*Bagder did a Linux port to a MIPS-based SoC once...
22:49:19MarcGuaylinuxstb: Yes, found some buttons in GPIOA (menu, select, and hold). I tested the patch by simply copying it into telechips.c, making a new bootloader, and running it in USB boot mode.
22:49:36linuxstbHow do you enter usb boot mode on the c100?
22:49:51MarcGuayHold select on USB plug.
22:50:08linuxstbYou're spoilt...
22:50:25amiconnAh, yes. ChinaChip -> Ingenic Jz4740
22:50:26MarcGuaylinuxstb: :) why? You need cartwheels for the LogikDAK?
22:50:38MarcGuayDAK=DAX
22:50:54linuxstbYes. Either a hardware mod (soldering a switch), or removing the NAND module completely.
22:51:33MarcGuaylinuxstb: I'm going to write Sandisk a love letter, brb.
22:51:47scorche|shlinuxstb: do you think you will have time to work on it in the future, or should i try to pass it onto another person or try to work on it myself?
22:52:46amiconnThose targets seem to be touchscreened all over :(
22:53:23*amiconn decides to stay far away from those
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22:59:09LloreanPaulJam: If you change tags, a database update won't pick up the changes. You'll need to reinitialize (unless that requirement's changed and I missed it)
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23:00:34PaulJamLlorean: i think Slasheri added that it checks the modified date of the files and updates without need to re-initialize.
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23:02:41PaulJamLlorean: see http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=15946
23:03:06LloreanYeah, I found it
23:03:22PaulJamnot sure if it works with manual update.
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23:03:52LloreanIt can't be working well then, because we still get a lot of people with metadata problems in their db that require an actual init to fix.
23:03:56Llorean=/
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23:05:18LloreanI don't use it, myself.
23:05:21LloreanNever had a need for it, at all.
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23:54:33mschneiderdoes anyone have any knowledge of tagcache.c?
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23:57:57scorche|shmschneider: perhaps a more specific question would get better results?
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