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02:29:11 | wpyh | hi, uh.. we had a power outage last night so no network for me and I went to sleep :p |
02:29:12 | wpyh | anyway |
02:29:16 | wpyh | I've read the logs |
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02:29:58 | scorche|sh | ...and...? |
02:30:30 | wpyh | saratoga: thanks for the work you've done, I do have music stored in FLAC, so they should give me more runtime |
02:31:29 | wpyh | saratoga: I'm not an expert in this, however, so... is mp3 slow because of its specification/format or because of libmad (which I think is used in rockbox)? |
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02:32:53 | wpyh | Buschel: how did you measure the 5-6mA power consumption of HDD over CF? |
02:33:55 | wpyh | Buschel: To measure the DMA power savings, we need to measure it, so I don't know. But you may certainly be right :) |
02:34:40 | wpyh | Buschel: And, what do you mean by "RB can switch off the power supply"? Do you mean the HDD or the sleep mode in the OF? If the latter, then no, I didn't sleep while testing, it was a straight run. |
02:35:57 | wpyh | Buschel: again, I'm no expert on the codecs, but if our codec is already almost optimum, then the large portion would be DMA and the power registers (you know, like what we did a few weeks ago) |
02:36:45 | wpyh | scorche: you wanted to say something? :-\ |
02:36:56 | scorche|sh | wpyh: i was waiting for you to :) |
02:37:19 | wpyh | oh :p well, I've got pretty slow fingers here |
02:37:29 | * | wpyh goes to study for exams |
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02:43:28 | cool_walking_ | nowdirect.com replied saying they do have the item available (it is 1-4 wks for them to get it, but they can get it). So does someone want to buy and ship one to me and I'll pay you back through Paypal? Pretty please? |
02:43:53 | cool_walking_ | the item being a 160GB ZIF disk (HS160JB) |
02:46:50 | linuxstb | cool_walking_: So they refuse to ship outside the US? |
02:47:02 | cool_walking_ | yeah |
02:47:14 | cool_walking_ | d'oh forgot to mention that.. |
02:50:01 | linuxstb | $165 is a nice price - less than I paid for my 80GB drive... |
02:53:54 | cool_walking_ | Yep, my 100GB was around that. |
02:55:23 | linuxstb | What device do you want to put it in? |
02:56:19 | cool_walking_ | Gigabeat S |
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04:32:45 | wastrel | any tricks to getting a sansa e200r mounting under linux so i can install rockbox? |
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04:41:57 | krazykit | wastrel, you have to set it to rhapsody mode in the usb settings |
04:45:16 | wastrel | secret hacker tricks |
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05:09:21 | wastrel | thanks krazykit that works for mounting the device on regular boot but i am still not mounting in manufacturing mode |
05:09:43 | Llorean | There's no partition to mount in manufacturing mode. |
05:09:53 | Llorean | Just follow the directions as written. |
05:11:52 | wastrel | Llorean: yeah, the patch program isn't seeing the device |
05:12:19 | linuxstb | Are you running it as root? |
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05:15:30 | wastrel | nosir, not doing it as root |
05:17:25 | wastrel | lovely. i think i needed help with every step of the process |
05:17:30 | wastrel | humbling |
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05:54:45 | wastrel | well thanks for the help i'm going to go read the manual now |
05:54:49 | wastrel | rockbox <3 |
05:55:16 | wastrel | is there an onboard manual ? |
05:55:21 | wastrel | that would be an interesting plugin :] |
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05:57:49 | krazykit | wastrel, well, you could get the html and convert it to text ;) |
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05:59:17 | MarcGuay | Has anyone ever used a ZIF-to-IDE adapter in an iAudio X5L? Curious what the potential is... |
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06:13:41 | cool_walking_ | #rockbox-community ? the Hardware forum? |
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08:05:19 | Buschel | wpyh: (for the logs) i meant of "accessory power supply" not "power supply" −− my fault |
08:09:27 | Buschel | wpyh: if i assume (from older battery benchs) that a 60GB/80GB 5G playing mp3 may run up to about 17h (with WPS and accessory power supply off) that equals about 580mAh/17h = ~34mA |
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08:10:36 | Buschel | wpyh: your results show about 580mAh/21.5h = ~27mA -> the HDD consumes 7mA more current than the CF-modded target |
08:10:59 | Buschel | wphy: though there will be of course differences in volume etc... |
08:13:05 | Buschel | wpyh: as the HDD power is switched off if not accessed, only the "up-time" of the disk while buffering is consuming these 7mA. if the buffering time can be halfed (as reported from OF), it will half the current consumption as well. from what we know DMA is one of the main candidates which may give far better buffering times. |
08:14:16 | Buschel | wpyh: this is because the reading speed depends heavily on the CPU clock. if buffering is occuring while playback (normal situation) only a part of the CPU-clock is available for buffering as the codec still needs to run. |
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08:16:21 | Buschel | wpyh: regarding codecs -> you should really try to battery bench your CF-modded 5G with flac. to reach the best case runtime you should apply FS #8668 which lowers the normal clock to 24MHz −− flac only needs <15MHz. it will not even boost @15MHz normal clock, except for buffering. |
08:20:30 | Buschel | wpyh: using flac @24MHz should save another 6MHz/3MHz/mA = ~2mA -> runtime up to ~23h. with even lower clock like 15MHz you could reach about 26h of battery runtime. i am very interested if these assumptions will come true :-) |
08:21:17 | * | Buschel did talk enough being alone here this morning :) |
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08:26:06 | Buschel | preglow: another thing (about mpc) -> as the full precision decoding on ARM is nearly as fast as the speed optimized (32 bit multiplication) i am planning to change svn to use the full precision for ARM again. i guess you will agree? |
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08:26:35 | Llorean | Buschel: Why wasn't full precision enabled for Gigabeats, anyway? |
08:27:19 | Buschel | Llorean: because it does not differ between different target but only the CPU-architecture |
08:27:49 | Llorean | But why doesn't it? |
08:28:09 | Llorean | Or rather, didn't. |
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08:28:49 | Buschel | Llorean: in fact, because i never had this on my mind −− first time now, right as you ask ;-) |
08:29:20 | amiconn | Buschel: Btw, arm7 has different instruction timing than arm9 (even the v4t variants), so speedup on one don't necessarily mean speedup on the other |
08:29:57 | Buschel | amiconn: then we should check :-) anyone has got a gigabeat to test? :) |
08:30:04 | amiconn | Not me |
08:30:29 | Llorean | Remind me tomorrow and I'll happily test. |
08:30:31 | amiconn | In general, newer arm versions have faster timing, but sometimes only achieve that wen obeying some extra rules |
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08:30:54 | amiconn | E.g. ldr is 3-cycle on arm7, but *can* be single cycle on arm9 |
08:31:39 | Buschel | well, the main difference between full precision and speed optimized is the use of 32bit-muls instead of 64bit-muls |
08:31:50 | amiconn | It's only single cycle if you don't use the loaded value in the next instruction (it loads in the background) |
08:32:07 | amiconn | There are likely many more such cases |
08:32:23 | Buschel | hmm, that's used a lot in both versions... |
08:32:42 | Buschel | but let's see :) |
08:34:01 | amiconn | Then reordering will bring some extra speed on gigabeat (both F and X which are arm9 v4, and the S which is arm11 (?) v6) |
08:34:49 | amiconn | If you can do the reordering without slowdown on arm7, that would be good. Otherwise a split would be necessary for optimum performance |
08:35:00 | Buschel | Llorean: you can easily check the difference via 1. measuring svn 2. change apps/codecs/libmusepack/mpc_config.h (simply comment "#define OPTIMIZE_FOR_SPEED" in the "#elif defined(CPU_ARM)"-path) and remeasurement |
08:35:25 | Llorean | Buschel: Using the test codec plugin, I assume? |
08:35:36 | amiconn | Btw, that's the reason why the arm assembly for the ape filters (libdemac) is for arm7 *only* |
08:35:37 | Buschel | Llorean: yep. |
08:36:04 | amiconn | On arm9 the C code is actually faster |
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08:38:43 | Llorean | Buschel: Personally I'd like to have the Speed vs Quality option available in all codecs. If I'm using it as part of my home sound system, for example (my h120) I'd rather a build with maximum precision since it's on wall power anyway. |
08:39:45 | amiconn | I wouldn't want a (runtime) option for that |
08:39:51 | Llorean | Not runtime |
08:39:59 | Llorean | I'd be completely happy if it was compile time. |
08:40:08 | amiconn | With lossy format you're accepting qulaity loss anyway |
08:40:13 | amiconn | *formats |
08:40:33 | amiconn | *quality, bah |
08:40:50 | Llorean | Very true, but some media isn't available lossless anyway. Independent artists seem to like distributing lossy compressed, but there's no sense intentionally introducing further quality loss if you can spare the CPU time anyway |
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08:43:11 | amiconn | Imho we should always aim at the best possible quality in our codecs, and only drop precision when it's really necessary (codec not realtime on a certain target) |
08:44:10 | Llorean | These are portable devices. It's quite easy to argue, at the same time, "as long as the precision loss is below a certain threshold we decide in advance, we should always optimize toward a goal of not needing to boost for decoding" |
08:44:47 | amiconn | Dropping 1 or 2 bits from 32 bit intermediates should be okay though if there is a significant speed gain, and the effect on the final (16 bit!) output is neglectible |
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10:27:11 | MTee_ | Hello |
10:27:12 | MTee_ | I |
10:27:50 | MTee_ | I'm trying to build a sim .. but I keep receiving his error : configure didn't find sdl-config, which indicates that you |
10:27:50 | MTee_ | don't have SDL (properly) installed. Please correct and re-run configure! |
10:28:13 | |Marco| | distro ? |
10:28:27 | B4gder | MTee_: is sdl-config in your path? |
10:28:27 | |Marco| | windows or some linux distro ? |
10:29:05 | MTee_ | Marco : ubuntu 7.10 |
10:29:35 | |Marco| | okay, check if you have the dev packs for sdl |
10:29:48 | MTee_ | B4gder : I don't know, will check now |
10:29:56 | MTee_ | ok |
10:30:11 | |Marco| | what B4gdermentioned to |
10:35:04 | MTee_ | great, installed SDL. Works now. Thanks :) |
10:35:49 | |Marco| | good :) |
10:41:31 | MTee_ | another question .. when writing : which arm-elf-gcc , it returns nothing , is this wrong ? |
10:41:43 | B4gder | yes |
10:41:49 | B4gder | it means it isn't in your path |
10:42:35 | MTee_ | ok, thanks |
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10:58:42 | MTee_ | built the sim :) .. thanks for your help |
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11:20:09 | doktoreas | hello everybody |
11:20:26 | doktoreas | I am trying to install rockbox on my ipod 2nd generation |
11:20:43 | doktoreas | I have got this error with the bootloader installation on linux |
11:20:46 | B4gder | ipod nano? |
11:20:53 | doktoreas | [INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/sdb1 |
11:20:54 | doktoreas | [INFO] Sector size is 512 bytes |
11:20:54 | doktoreas | [ERR] Partition layout is not an ipod |
11:21:00 | doktoreas | B4gder: nope |
11:21:14 | doktoreas | I have formatted it with mkfs.vfat |
11:22:04 | doktoreas | it is recognized inside kde |
11:22:41 | doktoreas | ah probably I need to create 2 partition on it? |
11:23:26 | B4gder | it needs to be a properly functional ipod layout |
11:23:39 | B4gder | can you run the OF fine? |
11:23:49 | doktoreas | OF? |
11:23:55 | B4gder | original firmware |
11:24:20 | doktoreas | nope |
11:24:23 | doktoreas | :) |
11:25:16 | doktoreas | is there any place where I can find the ipod partition layout? |
11:26:46 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32#b_Download_the_partition_table_f |
11:29:18 | doktoreas | B4gder: thankyou very much..worked fine |
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11:32:27 | doktoreas | B4gder: sorry, but now I need Apple firmware? |
11:34:23 | gevaerts | doktoreas: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
11:35:33 | gevaerts | doktoreas: pay special attention to step 5 there. If you forget that (like I did), it won't work |
11:39:00 | doktoreas | gevaerts, B4gder now is all fine |
11:39:03 | doktoreas | thanks for all |
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11:50:19 | gevaerts | doktoreas: just out of curiosity, how did your ipod get to that state ? |
11:51:08 | doktoreas | gevaerts: fdisk clean :) |
11:51:28 | * | gevaerts decides against asking "why" |
11:51:59 | doktoreas | I thought I could use rockbox without any apple firmware |
11:52:21 | gevaerts | You can, but it's a bit more complicated than that. I don't know the exact procedure though |
11:52:32 | doktoreas | the ipod is a present and I like just OS things |
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11:53:29 | pixelma | I'm not sure about this especially on an old 2nd gen Ipod - they can't be turned off, just suspended and Rockbox doesn't do that yet |
11:54:18 | pixelma | or are we talking about a Mini 2nd generation? |
11:54:44 | doktoreas | mini pixelma |
11:55:17 | pixelma | aha, all those 2nd gen something Ipod models... |
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12:08:41 | preglow | buschel: more precision is always good, so yes, certainly |
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13:43:53 | MTee_ | markun, are you there ? |
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13:48:58 | markun | yes |
13:49:10 | markun | I can try the arabic rendeing problem now |
13:51:37 | markun | MTee_: it only works with unifont here |
13:52:46 | MTee_ | I'll try it |
13:53:35 | MTee_ | yep it's fine |
13:53:36 | markun | We need to update the UnicodeFonts wiki then.. |
13:54:35 | MTee_ | any pointers why the other fonts aren't working ? I want to try and work on this, but I'll need help :) |
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14:05:20 | markun | MTee_: well, you have some arabic glyphs to show the characters as they are encoded, and other glyphs to display the characters after combining |
14:05:52 | markun | we only use the glyphs after combining (of course) and I guess the others only have the first set of glyphs |
14:06:24 | MTee_ | aha .. I see |
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14:07:21 | MTee_ | is there a way to include new glyphs in a certain font ? |
14:07:37 | markun | you can draw them yourself, or copy them from another font |
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14:07:53 | markun | both is not trivial |
14:08:27 | markun | I started to add arabic to one of the nimbus fonts (hand drawn) but I don't know where I left it |
14:09:04 | MTee_ | I'll try adding them to helv12R |
14:09:35 | markun | you can probably use the existing glyphs arabic glyphs as a template for making the combined ones |
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14:10:42 | MTee_ | I see |
14:12:04 | markun | I used a different BDF font editor a few weeks ago, but I forgot which one it was |
14:13:13 | MTee_ | is fontforge good ? |
14:15:02 | markun | it doesn't always do what I want, but maybe that's also my fault |
14:15:07 | markun | you can try it |
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14:52:00 | Genre9mp3 | hmm...the Pitch feature seems to me that doesn't work as it's expected to work |
14:52:55 | GodEater | as *you* expect it to work you mean ? ;) |
14:52:56 | Genre9mp3 | I was just experimenting a bit (current build - Gigabeat F) and it's clear that the setting affects tempo as well while it shouldn't |
14:53:19 | Genre9mp3 | or am I wrong to think that? |
14:53:27 | GodEater | where do you get the impression it's not supposed to affect tempo ? |
14:54:22 | Genre9mp3 | well, I always thought it was just affecting the pitch, thus the name (?) |
14:55:51 | Genre9mp3 | Though it's been very looong time since I last used the feature, so I'm not sure what was the case then |
14:56:04 | GodEater | IIUC pitch change is acheived by fiddling with the wavelength, which will inevitably change tempo as well |
14:56:35 | GodEater | I could however be thoroughly wrong, I'm not really an audio expert |
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14:56:57 | GodEater | however, I do know that when people come asking if they can speed up playback |
14:57:07 | GodEater | they're generally referred to "pitch" as a way to do it |
14:57:18 | GodEater | so it would seem that it's always been a tempo affecting setting in Rockbox |
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14:58:12 | Genre9mp3 | maybe I'm wrong then, but then the name of the feature is clearly misleading |
14:58:14 | leachim6 | could I easily write a plugin for rockbox ? is there an API , Libs ? |
14:59:05 | GodEater | leachim6: yes, yes |
14:59:14 | leachim6 | and I assume it's in C ? |
14:59:19 | GodEater | leachim6: yes again |
14:59:27 | leachim6 | Link ? |
14:59:31 | GodEater | Genre9mp3: what should it be called then |
14:59:36 | GodEater | leachim6: to what ? |
14:59:46 | leachim6 | a guide/tutorial/docs/ whatever |
14:59:52 | Genre9mp3 | Also, -/+2% doesn't seem to work as well (in the Pitch screen): you get +/-2% as long as you hold the button, if you release it you get the value before |
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15:00:03 | GodEater | leachim6: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins |
15:00:05 | leachim6 | I'm sure there is an example plugin lying around somewhere ? |
15:00:09 | leachim6 | :) |
15:00:20 | Genre9mp3 | GodEater: Maybe "Playback Speed" or "Pitch/Tempo"? |
15:00:31 | GodEater | Playback speed would also be wrong |
15:00:33 | leachim6 | also...I'm sure this is ongoing ... but could you explain the difference between rockbox and iPod Linux beside the fact that it's not linux |
15:00:35 | gevaerts | GodEater: there are algorithms to change pitch without affecting tempo (or vice versa), but they all have two things in common : they cause distortions in various degrees, and I don't know much about them |
15:00:48 | GodEater | gevaerts: indeed, we have a timescaling patch in the tracker too |
15:00:55 | GodEater | but we don't have the reverse |
15:01:18 | GodEater | (timescaling being a way to increase playback speed without changing pitch) |
15:01:27 | gevaerts | The reverse is basically combining that with the current pitch setting I guess |
15:01:41 | GodEater | which I don't believe anyone has done |
15:01:55 | GodEater | leachim6: you'd be best off browsing the rest of the rockbox.org site |
15:02:04 | GodEater | we're essentially not much like ipodlinux at all |
15:02:46 | leachim6 | that's what I thought ... I tried to install iPod linux on my 5.x generation iPod and had to reflash it ... I installed rockbox in minutes with no trouble at all |
15:02:56 | leachim6 | but I think iPod Linux has more packages |
15:03:06 | leachim6 | can I get arm-elf-gcc for ubuntu ? |
15:03:25 | gevaerts | leachim6: ipodlinux is a general purpose operating system that happens to run on audio players and happens to have audio software, rockbox is audio player firmware that happens to have some non-audio related plugins |
15:03:26 | GodEater | leachim6: download our source tree - we include a script in it for building the right versions of compilers for our targets |
15:03:50 | * | GodEater doubts very much there was any reflashing involved |
15:04:15 | leachim6 | wow ... you guys thought of everything |
15:04:17 | gevaerts | There might have been if it needed an OF restore |
15:04:42 | leachim6 | Godo point ... I guess it's not flashing if it's not flash :) |
15:05:19 | leachim6 | *good |
15:06:08 | * | GodEater also very much doubts if we have thought of everything ;) |
15:06:16 | leachim6 | right ...so rockbox was meant to improve on the iPods original function ... which is ... playing music ...but iPod linux wants to go above and beyond |
15:06:27 | * | GodEater would love to be omniscient, but doesn't kid himself that he is |
15:06:29 | pixelma | no |
15:06:39 | leachim6 | you have to run MPD on your iPod in iPodLinux to play music |
15:06:43 | leachim6 | that seems a little bit overkill to me |
15:06:46 | GodEater | ipodlinux wants to turn your ipod into a sort of PDA |
15:07:04 | gevaerts | leachim6: actually the ipod is a relatively recent port |
15:07:05 | GodEater | Rockbox wants to let you play audio, in the formats you want, in the way you want |
15:07:19 | GodEater | and Rockbox has many more targets than just ipod |
15:07:36 | pixelma | Rockbox was not meant to improve the Ipod in the beginning |
15:08:28 | leachim6 | once again ... I'm sure an ongoing question ... will there ever be better video support |
15:08:33 | GodEater | and the ipod port is probably still not our best |
15:08:37 | leachim6 | iPod linux can play DivX and XviD |
15:08:38 | GodEater | leachim6: there already is |
15:08:43 | leachim6 | for the ipod ? |
15:08:45 | GodEater | yes |
15:08:50 | leachim6 | how do I get ti! |
15:08:54 | GodEater | we don't support those particular codecs though |
15:09:01 | GodEater | leachim6: if you've installed Rockbox, you already have it |
15:09:18 | leachim6 | mp1 and mp2 right ... |
15:09:18 | leachim6 | nobody uses those :( |
15:09:18 | leachim6 | 'cept dvds ... but the files are huge |
15:09:37 | leachim6 | will there ever be mp4 support ? |
15:09:44 | GodEater | if someone decides to write it then yes |
15:10:13 | leachim6 | so not officially then ... |
15:10:15 | leachim6 | bummer .. |
15:10:21 | GodEater | define "officially" |
15:10:25 | gevaerts | Maybe. Probably mp4 on the ipod will require someone to figure out the video chip in it, as the CPU is probably not fast enough to handle it |
15:10:40 | leachim6 | the iPod Linux people did it ? |
15:10:48 | leachim6 | that wasn't a question... |
15:10:55 | leachim6 | I dunno what the ? was for :) |
15:11:15 | * | gevaerts does can easily be wrong on this :) |
15:11:17 | GodEater | I've never seen an ipod running iPL at all, let alone one playing back DivX / XviD, so I've no idea how well it performs |
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15:11:46 | GodEater | the theory has been advanced that several of our players are definitely up to decoding mp4, and perhaps the iPods might be too |
15:11:53 | GodEater | (with or without the broadcom being involved) |
15:12:01 | markun | leachim6: what framerate do you get in ipodlinux while playing divx/xvid? |
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15:12:13 | markun | and do you have to resize them to 320x.. ? |
15:12:15 | GodEater | markun: I think he just said he hosed his ipod trying to install it =/ |
15:12:18 | leachim6 | wait ... I could be misinformed ... |
15:12:37 | leachim6 | It might not play Divx or Xvid ... but it definately plays mp4 |
15:13:02 | * | GodEater gets lost with the differences between all these codecs |
15:13:06 | GodEater | Llorean?!?! |
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15:13:12 | markun | I remember something about uncompressed video or something, but it's a long time ago I checked |
15:16:55 | leachim6 | well ... both Divx and Xvid are mp4 |
15:17:07 | leachim6 | mp1 and mp2 are unrelated |
15:17:11 | leachim6 | Mov is a wrapper for mp4 |
15:17:16 | leachim6 | avi is a wrapper for mp4 also |
15:17:25 | gevaerts | _anything_ can be a wrapper for mp4 |
15:17:33 | leachim6 | I'm talking general there |
15:17:52 | leachim6 | a .foobar file could be a wrapper for mp4 |
15:18:38 | markun | h.264 is also mpeg4 |
15:18:45 | markun | so is aac |
15:19:15 | markun | so to say that some player plays 'mp4' doesn't tell you much (unless it can play everything in the mpeg4 standard) |
15:19:33 | leachim6 | I mean like what the original apple firmware can play |
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15:19:44 | leachim6 | 640x480 h.264 |
15:19:58 | leachim6 | that takes a LOT of cpu power I dunno how the iPod does it |
15:20:07 | dionoea | dedicated DSP |
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15:20:23 | dionoea | (and mp4 is the file format/container, mpeg4 is the codec) |
15:20:24 | markun | undocumented |
15:20:53 | leachim6 | how can I tri-boot Apple/Rockbox/iPod Linux |
15:20:57 | markun | dionoea: but when people advertise a mp4 player they mean you can also play what's inside the container of course :) |
15:21:02 | GodEater | leachim6: yes, the iPod Video contains a dedicated processor for decoding video, which unfortunately Rockbox is unable to make use of |
15:21:06 | leachim6 | I want rockbox for media ... but I want Linux for apps |
15:21:20 | leachim6 | GodEater, is there work being done on that ? |
15:21:20 | markun | leachim6: you can use the ipodlinux bootloader for example |
15:21:21 | dionoea | markun: you can put anything you want in mp4 :) |
15:21:30 | GodEater | leachim6: not really - there's no documentation for the chip in question |
15:21:44 | GodEater | leachim6: or you can use the rockbox boot loader ;) |
15:21:58 | GodEater | I believe most hard core tri-booters use the iPL one though |
15:22:03 | pixelma | the Rockbox bootloader can also boot all three... meh beaten |
15:22:12 | Genre9mp3 | GodEater: I tried a quite older and the behavior is the same, so it seems I was under the wrong impression all this time for the Pitch feature... not that I'm using it to tell you the truth but I just wondered |
15:22:17 | GodEater | we just make the caveat that we won't support your rockbox install if it doesn't use our bootloader |
15:22:31 | Genre9mp3 | GodEater: quite older build I meant |
15:22:34 | GodEater | Genre9mp3: I'm glad my memory hasn't failed me then ;) |
15:23:13 | Genre9mp3 | GodEater: maybe my memory failed me then? :/ |
15:23:48 | GodEater | either way, what you're thinking it's for is clearly a feature we still lack |
15:23:55 | GodEater | so perhaps you could work on it for us ;) |
15:24:58 | pixelma | I believe there is a patch in the tracker for it, not sure |
15:26:03 | GodEater | pixelma: I only found a time-scaling patch, which does the opposite |
15:26:09 | GodEater | but if you can find another - please let me know |
15:27:24 | Genre9mp3 | GodEater: Well, let me say I clearly lack the skills for code such a thing ;) |
15:27:30 | pixelma | maybe I'm confused the two things as I'm not very interested in this feature and just remembered reading something related ;) |
15:28:31 | amiconn | GodEater, Genre9mp3: If you have both simple pitch (changing speed) and time-stretch with constant pitch, you can easily combine them to make pitch with constant speed |
15:28:57 | * | amiconn has no real need for either of those 3 |
15:30:02 | gevaerts | In theory you can, but I would expect that to use more CPU than doing it in one step, and the UI needs to allow combining them |
15:30:20 | * | gevaerts hasn't looked. Maybe the patch allows it |
15:30:34 | * | GodEater hasn't looked either since he also has no requirement for the feature |
15:32:34 | leachim6 | are all of the rockbox ports different depending on the device ? |
15:33:15 | GodEater | leachim6: only subtlely |
15:33:26 | GodEater | for example, we can't support recording on a target which has no hardware for it |
15:33:35 | GodEater | otherwise we try to keep them functionally the same |
15:33:42 | GodEater | the main difference is usually in the keymap |
15:34:14 | pixelma | and screen |
15:34:32 | GodEater | although we try to keep that as consistent as possible |
15:34:45 | GodEater | it's a challenge for some of our ports ;) |
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15:47:41 | mib_wdj13q9t | Not finding anything significant in the ADC readings on the c100. Must the buttons be in there if not in GPIO? |
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15:48:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | Not sure, dude. |
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15:48:20 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wonders if he can get a c100 for really cheap to help |
15:48:57 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: I bought mine for $15 off craigslist. Found it hard to resist... |
15:49:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: GPIO doesn't reveal anything? |
15:50:22 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: GPIOA holds some unique button presses but volume-up, vol-down, and wheel-down all have the same effect, and left-up-right all do the same thing as well. |
15:51:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Sounds a little bit like the m200. |
15:51:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Actually, I wanted to ask about the USB boot mode on the c100. When you enter it, does it show anything on screen? |
15:51:59 | MarcGuay | Nope. |
15:52:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | You don't have to remove the NAND on the c100 either, do you? |
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15:52:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Because the m200 (mine, anyway) only enters USB boot mode if you open it up and remove the NAND daughterboard. |
15:53:04 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Nope, I just hold select and connect the USB cable. |
15:53:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | Battery inserted or removed? |
15:53:30 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Either. |
15:54:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: How about on the Logik DAX? How does USB boot mode work? |
15:54:18 | MarcGuay | It's very easy to work with. I'm getting an RSI from building, connecting, and running tcctool in a loop. |
15:54:59 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: I think he said it's a pain like the m200 - removing the NAND. |
15:55:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: See, that's what I'm a little puzzled about. It's very simple to enter USB boot mode on the c100, but the m200 and the DAX require you to remove the NAND. |
15:56:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | I still wonder why SanDisk didn't use a similar method of entering USB boot mode on the m200 like they did on the c100. |
15:56:52 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wonders if shotofadds' m230 will be easier to work with |
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16:04:21 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Does the Btn field on the m200 bootloader go nuts even when you aren't pressing a button? |
16:05:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Yes, it did. |
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16:17:38 | wastrel | hi |
16:23:59 | MarcGuay | Just remembered that "Production Test Mode" is loaded when the Volume-Down and Circle-Down buttons are held, so there must be a button check in the boot sequence which would help distinguish Volume-Up from Vol-Down. |
16:26:07 | * | LambdaCalculus37 grabs his m240 to see if something similar happens there |
16:26:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nothing. |
16:28:09 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Maybe search the .rom file for "test". Did the c100 come out after the m200? It seems as though Sansa learned some lessons along the way. |
16:28:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Y'know, I don't remember which came out first. :P |
16:29:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I'll search the .rom file again. |
16:29:33 | * | LambdaCalculus37 looks to see if he still has the objdump text file he made of the m200's player.rom |
16:32:26 | MarcGuay | Looks like the c100 came out a few months before the m200. "Lesson-learned" theory = bunk. |
16:33:14 | MTee_ | is there a way to covert .ttf fonts to .fnt or .bdf ? |
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16:37:57 | MTee_ | anyone there ? |
16:38:14 | MarcGuay | MTee_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreateFonts |
16:40:16 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Not a fan of automation for automation's sake? :) |
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16:41:33 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Not a fan of false solutions. |
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16:41:56 | Llorean | I can't imagine any such plugin being particularly reliable, and if it's something you have to manually do anyway, why not just set the time? |
16:42:46 | Llorean | Then again, I don't use the RTC on my MP3 player anyway, so maybe I shouldn't weight in. I own a cellphone, and a wristwatch, and all the computers I work at have clocks attached to the internet, and so on... |
16:43:16 | * | LambdaCalculus37 uses the RTC on his devices, but *only* on those rare days that he forgets about his wristwatch ;) |
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16:44:00 | robin0800 | A stopwatch type function would be more usefull IMHO |
16:44:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | Which IIRC is already there. |
16:44:27 | * | LambdaCalculus37 checks |
16:44:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's one under Plugins > Applications. |
16:44:58 | Llorean | I can understand people wanting to minimize drift for things such as wake-up alarms, or timed recordings. |
16:45:03 | PaulJam | there are even two stopwatches, the clock plugin has such a fuctionality too. |
16:45:18 | Llorean | But the latter at least is best served by manually starting the recording if you need real precision. |
16:45:19 | leachim6 | are there any plugins that aren't included in the default install |
16:45:41 | Llorean | leachim6: People make them from time to time, but we try to include them if they're submitted and work well |
16:45:59 | Llorean | MarcGuay: But honestly, if the drift is constant enough to do that, why not just automatically adjust for the drift every boot? |
16:46:12 | Llorean | And if it's not constant enough, a manual plugin serves no purpose |
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17:17:28 | wpyh | Buschel: thanks for the comments |
17:18:24 | wpyh | Buschel: by the Accessory Power Supply, do you mean that the OF always turns it on? |
17:21:15 | wpyh | Buschel: For the FLAC codec, thanks for the work on that one :) I will test it later, but for now I have a new idea |
17:21:35 | wpyh | Buschel: let's eliminate as much factors as possible, and loop one single song |
17:26:35 | wpyh | Buschel: that way, we can eliminate the disk access factor |
17:26:38 | wpyh | what do you think? |
17:26:58 | wpyh | And I generally would like to compare the same file format |
17:27:22 | wpyh | Buschel: this way, we can measure the OF's codec effectiveness, with which we can eliminate another factor in power consumption |
17:28:50 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: linuxstb has a Logik DAX with a switch soldered to it's motherboard which allows him to toggle the boot mode |
17:29:07 | wpyh | Buschel: for example, if we found out (ruling out other factors) that the OF's codec is as optimal as RB's (roughly same runtime), and we also know OF's codec speed (which we do know), we can measure the other codecs' (vorbis, flac, mpc, etc) optimization too |
17:29:49 | wpyh | Buschel: it's indirect of course, but that's good and useful enough |
17:31:01 | wpyh | Buschel: therefore I think I should test on the Nano. I have a frankenstein-monster style Nano (scavenged parts), but I think it would be ok. Also, testing with Nano means the testing time is reduced by half ;) |
17:32:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Interesting. :) |
17:34:14 | GodEater | a colleague of mine at work did the attaching for him |
17:34:22 | GodEater | and I then had the opportunity to test it |
17:34:32 | * | GodEater can't solder for toffee |
17:34:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | I wonder if something similar can be done on the m200. |
17:34:43 | wpyh | Buschel: I also saw FS #8668. I think you should split the patch into parts −− one for the CPU speed, another for the button, etc |
17:34:56 | wpyh | Buschel: and maybe the CPU patch can go in first (what do you think?) |
17:35:00 | * | LambdaCalculus37 can (unfortunately) be a little shaky with a soldering iron as well |
17:35:09 | scorche|sh | LambdaCalculus37: i was curious of the same thing |
17:35:19 | * | scorche|sh isnt so shaky ;) |
17:35:22 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: well the DAX had a very helpfully labelled couple of points on it's board which read NAND and USB |
17:35:30 | GodEater | so guessing which ones to hook up wasn't tricky |
17:35:37 | GodEater | I take it there's nothing to obvious on your DAP ? |
17:35:42 | GodEater | s/to/so |
17:35:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Not that I can see, anyway. But maybe shotofadds will be able to find something. |
17:36:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | scorche|sh: I'm sending you the m240 later today. |
17:36:16 | scorche|sh | ok |
17:37:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Want the USB cable for it as well? |
17:37:07 | wpyh | amiconn: I think you have a point there, saying that dropping 1 or 2 bits from 32-bit intermediate values, with 16-bit output is negligible |
17:37:22 | wpyh | amiconn: I think you may want to do some testing though |
17:38:02 | wpyh | amiconn: I think there will be little difference (maybe 1 bit) at the output, depending on how the intermediate is used in the calculation |
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18:00:03 | noapic | hello |
18:00:39 | noapic | I am interested in using rockbox's WMA decoder on Sony PSP. Is the code portable? |
18:01:37 | scorche|sh | out of curiousity, why not port rockbox as an app? |
18:02:38 | noapic | you mean the rockbox's user space part? It will take a huge time for a n00b like me. |
18:03:32 | noapic | anyways we have lot of goodies on PSP (irshell, snex9x, lightmp3) so not really missing any rockbox features. |
18:04:28 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: according to shotofadds latest post there are some contacts which are marked as I described on the DAX |
18:04:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | You do realize that Rockbox's primary function is audio playback, right? |
18:04:56 | GodEater | *marked on the m200 that is |
18:05:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Okay, I'll go have a look. |
18:05:23 | GodEater | noapic: AFAIK rockbox's WMA codec is based on ffmpeg's - so it should be portable |
18:06:00 | * | GodEater notes that the RockboxPlayer thread has been very quiet of late. |
18:06:46 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks that casahino finally gave up |
18:07:32 | noapic | GodEater: And is the WMA code capable of functioning standalone (like a library that is) ... I read that MDCT was implemented in ASM was quite scared about its porting :( |
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18:08:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: We should contact shotofadds about the switch that linuxstb had added to his DAX, and that the same could be done for his m200. |
18:09:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | Unfortunately, I can't check mine now because it's going out to shotofadds via Scorche's Super Shipping Service. |
18:09:35 | scorche|sh | or i could see about soldering a switch on before DCE and testing it there |
18:09:50 | Unixnut | Hello everyone! I am having some issues with my ipod video and was hoping for some help, each time I turn on the ipod, the bootloader halts with "No partition found". I have tried upgrading to the latest version of rockbox and the bootloader with no luck, any ideas? |
18:10:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | scorche|sh: Good idea. :) |
18:10:36 | scorche|sh | Unixnut: what file system is your ipod using? |
18:10:43 | Unixnut | Fat32 |
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18:10:56 | gevaerts | Unixnut: is that a 5.5G ? |
18:11:08 | Unixnut | no, its a 5G ipod Video, 30GB |
18:12:27 | Unixnut | Rockbox worked fine before, but with time it started locking up, and some songs would go missing with 'no file'. |
18:13:07 | Unixnut | so I did a fsck, it reported errors and said it fixed them, but then the bootloader gave the error above. |
18:13:23 | gevaerts | That _could_ be the disk going bad I guess |
18:13:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | That or you fracked the partition. |
18:14:03 | Unixnut | so I decided to make a new FS (fat32) and start from scratch. After mounting and transferring the latest rockbox it still gave me the error |
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18:14:24 | Unixnut | I thought that it might be the disk, so I ran badblocks, but it finished with no bad blocks found |
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18:14:48 | Unixnut | I don't know if the partition is messed up, I had a look with fdisk and it seemed intact. |
18:14:53 | * | gevaerts starts to support LambdaCalculus37's theory |
18:15:13 | MTee_ | I've added the arabic character set to a font, converted it to fnt and added it to rb but it couldn't render the arabic letters , though another font (unifont) is capable of rendering them, what would be the reason for that ? |
18:15:13 | pixelma | gevaerts: or the partition mount problem you and amiconn recently solved? |
18:15:49 | gevaerts | pixelma: if it's really a 5G, it can't be that. |
18:16:15 | pixelma | ah right, overlooked that for some reason |
18:16:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think the iPod's firmware partition may have been damaged. |
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18:16:27 | gevaerts | Unixnut: when you connect it to your PC, does dmesg report 512 byte sectors or 2048 byte sectors ? (assuming you use linux) |
18:16:38 | Unixnut | 2048 sectors |
18:16:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | Unixnut: Also, what does fdisk -l report? |
18:17:09 | Unixnut | that partition 1 is empty o.0 |
18:17:15 | Unixnut | Disk /dev/sdg: 30.0 GB, 30005821440 bytes |
18:17:15 | Unixnut | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 912 cylinders |
18:17:15 | Unixnut | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 2048 = 32901120 bytes |
18:17:15 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Unixnut |
18:17:15 | Unixnut | Disk identifier: 0x20202020 |
18:17:15 | Unixnut | Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
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18:17:31 | Unixnut | oopts |
18:17:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Unixnut: Can you please pastebin output like that next time? |
18:17:42 | GodEater | can't be a 5G if it's 2048 byte sectors |
18:17:53 | Unixnut | pastebin? |
18:18:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://pastebin.com/ |
18:18:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | Copy output there, then link to the pastebinned results. |
18:18:37 | Unixnut | its model number A1136, I thought it was a 5G, as it was bought at the same time as another 5G a few years ago |
18:18:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | You may have a 5.5G. |
18:19:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | What's the serial number on the back of the iPod? |
18:19:09 | GodEater | there is no doubt - if it's 2048 byte sectors it IS a 5.5G |
18:19:34 | Unixnut | 8Q650N55V9M |
18:19:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's definitely 5.5G. |
18:19:56 | Unixnut | ok, sorry for the mishap |
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18:20:14 | * | wpyh smells interesting discussion here :) |
18:20:32 | gevaerts | How did you format it ? mformat or mkfs.msdos ? |
18:20:46 | Unixnut | (fdisk -l output here: http://pastebin.com/d32402ba8 ) if I worked out how to use the site |
18:21:04 | Unixnut | mkdosfs |
18:21:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | Unixnut: You'll want to dd this file: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/mbr-video30gb-2048.bin to /dev/sdg1. |
18:21:27 | * | gevaerts looks at wpyh for details about formatting |
18:21:32 | MTee_ | people, about arabic rendering .. |
18:21:33 | wpyh | your partition table looks good |
18:21:45 | Unixnut | ok, dd'ing |
18:21:54 | wpyh | oh no... |
18:21:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | What? |
18:22:14 | wpyh | you've just told him to write an mbr to his fw partition |
18:22:46 | MTee_ | I've added the arabic character set to a font, converted it to fnt and added it to rb but the arabic letters couldn't be rendered, though with another font (unifont) they are rendered correctly, what would be the reason for that ? |
18:22:50 | Unixnut | well, now I get a different message: "Connect to your computer, use iTunes to restore" |
18:23:50 | wpyh | Unixnut: don't worry |
18:23:50 | Unixnut | the rockbox bootloader does not even kick-in. |
18:24:04 | * | gevaerts thinks that LambdaCalculus37 should stand in the corner for a while |
18:24:16 | Unixnut | what happened? |
18:24:24 | * | LambdaCalculus37 puts on a dunce cap and sits in a corner |
18:24:31 | wpyh | Unixnut: something um... nothing happened :p |
18:24:34 | wpyh | try this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
18:24:44 | wpyh | skip right to step 4 |
18:24:55 | wpyh | don't even look at step 2 :p (for your case ;) ) |
18:24:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | wpyh: I was going to get to that, too. :P |
18:25:27 | wpyh | LambdaCalculus37: shows how useful that page is ;) |
18:25:37 | Unixnut | ok, but what just happened? |
18:25:57 | wpyh | Unixnut: well... we'll tell you after you get rockbox running :) ok? |
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18:26:21 | gevaerts | Unixnut: that partition table (mbr-video30gb-2048.bin) should have gone to /dev/sdg, not /dev/sdg1 (although it's probably not needed at all) |
18:26:57 | gevaerts | /dev/sdg1 is the apple firmware partition, which also contains the rockbox bootloader. Writing something else there makes it Not Work |
18:26:58 | wpyh | gevaerts: I was keeping it for later... |
18:27:04 | wpyh | gevaerts: but ok |
18:27:25 | Unixnut | ok, no probs, downloading the new firmware now (I presume it is the 5.5 option) |
18:27:46 | wpyh | Unixnut: yeah, you have to download the 5.5G firmware, as it's not compatible with the 5G |
18:27:46 | saratoga | noapic: I wrote the wma codec |
18:28:13 | saratoga | its fairly portable, its being used in at least one other project |
18:28:24 | saratoga | and parts of it are in another |
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18:30:28 | Unixnut | ok, I dd'ed the new firmware on to the partition, now what (no worried LambdaCalculus37, I've done the same countless times) |
18:30:39 | Unixnut | *worries, dammit |
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18:31:22 | wpyh | Unixnut: follow the steps on the page |
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18:31:59 | Unixnut | ok, It seems to have booted into the original apple firmware. |
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18:32:51 | Unixnut | all seems good, I will try to install rockbox now. |
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18:33:16 | MarcGuay_ | Holy snap. Time to update the BuyersGuide? http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190228293551&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=009 |
18:33:35 | gevaerts | Maybe reformat first. Formatting for 512 byte sectors may be the cause of the original problem |
18:34:01 | itcheg | I'm interested in getting support for Ipod accessories supported, what can I do to help |
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18:34:04 | Unixnut | sure thing |
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18:34:20 | wpyh | Unixnut: please use the mkfs.vfat method to format |
18:34:25 | * | gevaerts decides not to buy a 60GB X5 for now |
18:34:40 | wpyh | Unixnut: then post the output of 'file -Ls /dev/sdX2' to pastebin and paste the link here |
18:34:48 | gevaerts | Unixnut: make sure you have the -S 2048 |
18:35:20 | wpyh | gevaerts: the 30GB drive is 512-byte hardware sectors, so formatting it with 512-byte sectors won't create a problem with the OF |
18:35:38 | Unixnut | I did use mkfs.vfat, just that it was aliased to mkdosfs, so when I run mkfs.vfat, it told me it was mkdosfs. I wasn't sure which to post as me using here, so I went with mkdosfs. |
18:35:40 | wpyh | gevaerts: it will only create problems when mounted on Linux, since it obviously won't mount (I've tried that ;) ) |
18:35:59 | wpyh | Unixnut: mkfs.vfat is just a symlink to mkdosfs, so it's not a problem :) |
18:36:19 | Unixnut | cool :) |
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18:36:21 | Unixnut | formatting now |
18:38:07 | Unixnut | ok, done (http://pastebin.com/d669c1774) |
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18:40:21 | wpyh | uh... |
18:40:23 | wpyh | that short? |
18:40:31 | wpyh | I'd expect file to spit out more info |
18:40:31 | Unixnut | yeah, that was it |
18:40:39 | wpyh | what's your distro? |
18:40:42 | Unixnut | gentoo |
18:40:58 | wpyh | well I didn't know gentoo would strip off so much info... |
18:41:00 | wpyh | but ok, |
18:41:10 | wpyh | can you mount the partition? |
18:41:42 | Unixnut | yes I can |
18:42:44 | wpyh | then the partition is good I think |
18:42:50 | Unixnut | cool! |
18:42:51 | wpyh | well, try to install rockbox then :) |
18:43:09 | Unixnut | I shall do now, and will let you know how it goes :) |
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18:44:40 | Unixnut | Just to ask, I am running ipodpatcher now, and it says it is a 5th Gen ipod, is this correct? Or should it say 5.5Gen? |
18:46:32 | Unixnut | well, I'll continue installing, and see how it goes. |
18:47:45 | wpyh | I think that's ok |
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18:48:21 | Unixnut | ok, it said it patched the bootloader correctly, I extracted rockbox into sdg2, and now I'm restarting. |
18:48:43 | Unixnut | and... Same problem |
18:48:47 | Unixnut | "No partition found" |
18:49:46 | wpyh | I'm beginning to think a format problem |
18:49:55 | wpyh | what was the exact command you used to format the partition? |
18:50:22 | Unixnut | I have tried the following commands: ' mkfs.vfat -S 2048 -F 32 /dev/sdg2 ' and ' mkfs.vfat -S 2048 /dev/sdg2 ' |
18:50:43 | wpyh | which one is last? |
18:51:01 | Unixnut | the plain one |
18:51:08 | Unixnut | without -F 32 |
18:51:09 | wpyh | ok, so that's wrong |
18:51:20 | wpyh | it creates a FAT16 filesystem |
18:51:28 | wpyh | we need a FAT32 filesystem for the ipod video :) |
18:51:33 | Unixnut | yeah, I figured, but I tried the otherone as well |
18:51:41 | Unixnut | I will try again |
18:51:52 | wpyh | Unixnut: and you got the same error? |
18:52:26 | Unixnut | yeah, also in both situations, the apple firmware loaded fine, and even put its folders into the root area with no issues (I saw folders for 'Music' etc...) |
18:52:46 | Unixnut | but I will try one more time with the -F 32 option |
18:53:14 | MTee_ | people, anyone there who could help me with arabic rendering ? |
18:53:35 | wpyh | Unixnut: did you modify the partition table? |
18:54:32 | Unixnut | no, didn't touch it |
18:54:52 | Unixnut | ok, formatted it again, now trying to restart |
18:55:24 | wpyh | good, I think the partition table is ok |
18:55:58 | * | wpyh has to go soon |
18:56:15 | Unixnut | (just to note, each time I reformat sdg2, I also dd the original firmware back to sdg1, boot to see if it works, then patch it) |
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18:56:32 | wpyh | Unixnut: no need to always reflash the OF |
18:56:45 | Unixnut | just more of a 'in case' scenario |
18:57:13 | wpyh | you can hold MENU while booting to boot the OF anway |
18:57:18 | wpyh | yeah |
18:57:24 | wpyh | so, does it start up correctly? |
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19:00:18 | Unixnut | No :( |
19:00:20 | Unixnut | same issue again |
19:00:44 | wpyh | uh... |
19:00:50 | pixelma | I still have the suspicion I asked gevaerts about, unfortunately I'm lacking the knowledge to explain and don't dare giving an advice (I _think_ it involves an SVN bootloader) |
19:00:50 | wpyh | maybe you should try mformat then |
19:00:57 | Unixnut | Also, with the 'No partition found' error, I can't boot into the normal apple firmware |
19:00:58 | wpyh | I suspect that gentoo patched mkdosfs |
19:01:41 | Unixnut | but I have patched many ipods under this OS, with no problems. |
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19:02:02 | Unixnut | I shall try mformat |
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19:02:05 | wpyh | Unixnut: you can try with vanilla dosfstools, or you can also try mformat |
19:02:16 | wpyh | other ipods are different −− they export 512-byte sectors |
19:02:28 | wpyh | although I don't see why your ipod should fail |
19:02:34 | wpyh | also, I have to go now |
19:02:38 | Unixnut | what should I run with mformat? |
19:02:52 | Unixnut | no problems, thanks for your help :) |
19:02:58 | wpyh | so if mformat also fails, please see and follow the instructions from IpodManualRestore |
19:03:18 | Unixnut | ok |
19:03:24 | wpyh | It contains all the information you need (assuming all works correctly) |
19:03:40 | Unixnut | thanks a lot, I shall keep trying |
19:04:19 | wpyh | btw, I saw some patches in the gentoo's package for dosfstools, which is the package that contains mkdosfs |
19:04:30 | wpyh | I think you might want to try a vanilla version :) |
19:04:32 | wpyh | good luck :) |
19:04:42 | Unixnut | if mtools fails as well, I shall try the vanilla version |
19:04:46 | Unixnut | thanks! :) |
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19:08:32 | gevaerts | Unixnut: if that still doesn't work, can you give the output of sfdisk -uS -l /dev/sdg ? |
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19:11:12 | Unixnut | sure thing, currently downloading a vanilla version of mkdosfs |
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19:13:31 | Unixnut | hmm, the vanilla version I got does not seem to support fat 32 |
19:14:43 | Unixnut | anyone know where I can get a recent vanilla version of mkdosfs? |
19:14:59 | Unixnut | they don't seem to have a project page that I can find, and the only vanilla version I found so far is from 1997 |
19:16:03 | Ave | get the source of debian package dosfstools |
19:16:19 | Unixnut | thanks! |
19:16:28 | gevaerts | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dosfstools/dosfstools_2.11.orig.tar.gz |
19:18:15 | Unixnut | Thanks a lot, formatting now |
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19:18:50 | Unixnut | ok, formatted, now restarting |
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19:19:36 | Unixnut | and same problem, "No partition found" |
19:20:11 | Unixnut | *sigh* |
19:20:12 | gevaerts | Can you get this output of "sfdisk -uS -l /dev/sdg" ? |
19:20:30 | Unixnut | yeah, doing it now |
19:21:38 | Unixnut | done, its here: http://pastebin.com/d15e87188 |
19:23:36 | gevaerts | OK. Can you do "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdg bs=512 seek=4 count=248" ? Make sure not to make typos in there |
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19:24:22 | Unixnut | ok, done |
19:24:34 | gevaerts | Then tru |
19:24:42 | gevaerts | try rockbox again (no need to reinstall) |
19:24:56 | Unixnut | ok, trying |
19:26:23 | Unixnut | nope, still the same |
19:28:18 | gevaerts | Then it's not the issue we found a few weeks ago. |
19:28:38 | Unixnut | yay! I always get the issues nobody heard of, lol |
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19:28:53 | wpyh | can't sleep |
19:29:01 | * | wpyh is reading the logs |
19:29:30 | wpyh | hm... Unixnut, you're using the vanilla dosfstools, right? |
19:29:36 | wpyh | so that is not the problem |
19:29:45 | Unixnut | yeah, the ones in the link gevaerts gave me |
19:30:07 | wpyh | by the way, how did you obtain rockbox? |
19:30:10 | wpyh | is it through svn? |
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19:30:27 | Unixnut | no, throught the 'current build' option |
19:30:31 | Unixnut | *through |
19:30:36 | Unixnut | on the site |
19:30:54 | wpyh | ok... can you try to get SVN and build it? |
19:31:04 | wpyh | it would take some time since you have to build the toolchain as well |
19:31:08 | gevaerts | What difference would that make ? |
19:31:18 | wpyh | I would ask him to try to debug it |
19:31:26 | wpyh | since we know the BL is ok |
19:31:37 | wpyh | then we can debug it |
19:31:44 | wpyh | by printing markers throughout the code |
19:32:05 | wpyh | that's what I did when I used a 1 GB cf card and formatted it with FAT16 |
19:32:22 | wpyh | it turns out the build for ipod video only recognizes FAT32 and not FAT16 |
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19:32:37 | wpyh | but in this case, the problem seems to be something else |
19:32:52 | wpyh | still, we can trace it with markers :) |
19:33:04 | gevaerts | The other way would be to find a windows PC with itunes, and let that do a restore first |
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19:33:26 | wpyh | so Unixnut, basically what you should do is get the svn, build the toolchain, then build the BL |
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19:33:38 | wpyh | gevaerts: that might fix it, but I doubt it |
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19:34:07 | wpyh | itunes restore only does two things:1. restore the fw, and then 2. format the partition |
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19:34:41 | Unixnut | Ok, where is the SVN URL? |
19:34:44 | wpyh | Unixnut: after that, try to grep for strings that you see on the screen, for example "No partition found" |
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19:35:18 | wpyh | uh... I don't remember... it's located somewhere deep on the website... |
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19:35:38 | Unixnut | yeah, I'm digging around the site looking for it |
19:35:40 | gevaerts | svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk |
19:36:07 | Unixnut | ok, checking otu |
19:36:09 | wpyh | gevaerts: maybe we should put it on the frontpage, no? |
19:36:10 | Unixnut | *out |
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19:37:25 | Unixnut | checked out, so now I have to build the toolchain you say? |
19:37:47 | wpyh | Unixnut: so, what you would do is print markers, as I said. You will find the string "No partition found" in several places, and you should put different markers for each. For example, I modified it into "<file.c>: No partition found", with <file.c> being the source file name of course |
19:37:52 | bluebrother | wpyh: why? It's not "deep", just go to docs index / for developers / using svn ;-) |
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19:38:41 | wpyh | yes, get and build the toolchain. there's this script tools/rockboxdev.sh |
19:38:57 | wpyh | bluebrother: well, I had to resort to google to find it :p |
19:39:08 | wpyh | it's not obvious at all from the front page |
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19:39:20 | * | gevaerts just uses svn info |
19:39:28 | wpyh | of course, once I had the svn tree I just happily svn up regularly, so I forgot the issue :p |
19:39:29 | bluebrother | hehe, that search box can be quite useful ;-) |
19:39:37 | Unixnut | I presume I only have to worry about the ipod related files (I see './bootloader/ipod.' and './bootloader/common.c' and './firmware/common/disk.c') |
19:39:40 | wpyh | gevaerts thanks ;) |
19:39:48 | solar_george | Does anyone know if this (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sandisk-Sansa-c240-1Gb-Player/dp/B000IZKM0A/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1213809622&sr=1-7) player work with rockbox |
19:40:12 | wpyh | bluebrother: yeah :p but it would be better if we put a link called "SVN" on the front page IMO |
19:40:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | solar_george: As long as it's a v1. |
19:40:27 | wpyh | Unixnut: yes, should be those files |
19:40:31 | wpyh | and the fat driver too |
19:40:49 | solar_george | <LambdaCalculus37> is there any easy way to tell |
19:41:01 | wpyh | then, when you've found the place where the string is output, work your way back the failing function |
19:41:09 | solar_george | <LambdaCalculus37> I want to be sure before I buy it |
19:41:17 | wpyh | note that sometimes you have to use printf() instead of DEBUGF() |
19:41:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Only way to is to view what version of firmware it has on it. |
19:41:34 | gevaerts | solar_george: I would guess that most (if not all) sold as new c200s are v2 |
19:41:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | If the firmware is 01.XX.XX, it's a v1. |
19:41:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | If it's 03.XX.XX, it's a v2. |
19:41:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's the only surefire way to tell. |
19:42:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | If it's from a private seller, ask them to tell you the firmware version number. |
19:44:26 | bertrik | and don't take "the latest" for an answer :) |
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19:46:46 | solar_george | <LambdaCalculus37> Yeah I'll ask them |
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19:48:47 | * | Unixnut is now building the toolchain |
19:51:20 | wpyh | a note: be creative when debugging ;) |
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19:51:45 | Unixnut | hehehe, I'll try (being my first time and all) |
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19:55:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Unixnut: Welcome to the wonderful world of Rockbox. ;) |
19:55:46 | Unixnut | hahaha |
19:56:35 | Unixnut | and C/C++ coding I guess (always wanted to learn, I guess this is a way of actually getting round to it) |
19:57:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Since Rockbox is C, concentrate on that first. |
19:57:50 | bertrik | Unixnut, rockbox is C and a tiny bit of ASM for time critical and very low-level parts, there's no C++ in it |
19:58:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: RButil is C++, though. |
19:58:20 | * | bertrik was going to say the exact same thing |
19:58:27 | Unixnut | ok, I don't quite know the difference between them (from what I know, c++ is more object oriented, but thats it really) |
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19:59:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | Going into the differences between C and C++ is going off-topic here, but Google is the Great Deity of All Knowledge in these sorts of things. :) |
19:59:25 | Unixnut | I shall have a look |
19:59:57 | Unixnut | now the toolchain is done, so I preume I compile rockbox, load it onto the ipod and see what interesting messages appear |
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20:00:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | Unixnut: Have a look here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile |
20:00:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | And here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN |
20:01:15 | Unixnut | Thanks! reading now |
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20:01:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | Do you already have Subversion installed? |
20:01:51 | Unixnut | do you think I need to compile rockbox itself? it seems the problem happens before the actual rockbox binary is even executed |
20:02:05 | Unixnut | yes I have, already checked out the sources as well. |
20:02:09 | gevaerts | Start with the bootloader |
20:02:16 | Unixnut | ok |
20:02:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then you can compile a normal build. |
20:03:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | By the way, when you run tools/configure, it'll ask you what device you're compiling for; picking iPod video will ask you how much RAM to compile for. 32MB is for 30GB iPods, 64MB is for 60/80GB iPods. |
20:04:13 | Unixnut | thanks |
20:06:22 | Unixnut | ok, compiled, now I presume the file is "bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" |
20:06:31 | Unixnut | do I just dd it, or do I have to use ipodpatcher? |
20:07:29 | gevaerts | You need to use ipodpatcher |
20:07:49 | * | gevaerts leaves the exact command to others who actually know it |
20:08:04 | Unixnut | do I have to remove the currently installed bootloader, or will ipodpatcher do that automatically for me? |
20:08:52 | Unixnut | never mind, I will try it either way |
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20:10:04 | bluebrother | ipodpatcher will replace the old bootloader |
20:10:19 | Unixnut | ok, thanks |
20:10:35 | bertrik | I would just use a pre-compiled bootloader when starting with rockbox |
20:10:56 | gevaerts | bertrik: this is about debugging an issue ;) |
20:11:21 | bertrik | an issue in the bootloader? |
20:11:28 | gevaerts | Maybe |
20:11:46 | * | gevaerts has no idea right now |
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20:12:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: So it's best that he do it this way. |
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20:19:38 | Unixnut | ok, I ran my bootloader, and it fails with "No partition found" from ipod.c, line 295 |
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20:20:20 | Unixnut | which is the "rc = disk_mount_all();" function, followed by ("if rc<=0") statement |
20:20:50 | Unixnut | I presume rc<=0, so it prints the message and calls fatal_error(); function |
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20:25:50 | gevaerts | I would say that it fails in disk_mount() in firmware/common/disk.c (lines around 215), or in fat_mount() (firmware/drivers/fat.c) |
20:28:03 | Unixnut | oh, how come? (not saying you are wrong, just want to understand whats going on) |
20:28:59 | gevaerts | disk_mount_all() calls disk_mount(), and it doesn't do much else |
20:29:13 | Unixnut | oh, so whats the point of disk_mount_all()? |
20:29:58 | gevaerts | It mounts filesystems on all disks. On ipods there is only one |
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20:30:21 | domonoky | Unixnut: disk_mount_all() also mounts also memory cards, if you player has such a thing.. :-) |
20:30:23 | Unixnut | I see, so it doesn't do much else for ipods, but for other players it probably does, got it |
20:30:33 | Unixnut | thanks alot guys. |
20:31:10 | domonoky | so next step would be to put some outputs into disk_mount, to see if it doesnt find a partition, or if the fat_mount fails.. |
20:31:28 | Unixnut | yeah, currently grepping for the function |
20:31:44 | domonoky | its in firmware/common/disk.c |
20:32:16 | gevaerts | on ipod fat_mount gets called once for each possible sector size (512,1024,2048). On a 5.5G it's expected to fail twice, and then succeed on the 2048 byte attempt |
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20:47:08 | itcheg | I have a boombox with an Ipod dock, what can I do to help get rockbox support for it? |
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20:53:36 | domonoky | itcheg: you could help other which work on the apple accessory support, see FS #8624 in the tracker.. |
20:53:57 | Unixnut | just to ask, what is the difference between printf and debugf? |
20:54:51 | itcheg | thanks domonoky will have a look at it |
20:55:46 | Buschel | wpyh: regarding FS #8668 a split is of course possible. problem is that the 5G's UI gets too unresponsive then. so, at least the 5G needs the boost-on-button or gui-boost. |
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20:57:50 | Unixnut | re bootloader, what is pinfo? |
20:57:51 | Buschel | wpyh: of course i could extract the gui-boost as patch for the gui-unresponsiveness that is reported for 5G with svn as well. i am not sure about the effect on plugins and games |
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21:10:37 | _ntsn | Hi, |
21:10:50 | _ntsn | i have a e260 sansa and i wish to install rockbox on it |
21:11:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | Before we begin, what is the version number of the Sansa's firmware? |
21:11:49 | _ntsn | can you guide me how to check the version? (i bought this sansa 2 years ago) |
21:12:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Settings > System Info |
21:12:56 | _ntsn | im in the middle of copying my 4gbs of music, i will get back to you in 5 minutes when its done, thanks alot for the fast reply :) |
21:13:15 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
21:13:41 | _ntsn | during the copying, how much space does rockbox cost? |
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21:14:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox should need around 10-15 MB. |
21:14:36 | _ntsn | at the minimum? |
21:14:41 | pixelma | 10-15MB? |
21:14:47 | _ntsn | if im using the full-feature'd version? |
21:16:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | The Rockbox build itself is 5.85MB. |
21:16:33 | _ntsn | lambda? |
21:17:14 | Llorean | _ntsn: What od you mean by "full-feature'd" version? |
21:17:27 | pixelma | ah, the fonts folder is quite large, about 10MB |
21:17:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | And extra themes add to that as well. |
21:17:49 | _ntsn | as i saw, you can upgrade / add addons / however you call it |
21:17:56 | _ntsn | im right? |
21:18:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | You can. But I was giving you a rough estimate of how much free space you'll need. |
21:18:44 | _ntsn | okay, thanks |
21:19:05 | _ntsn | well i have just unpluged it, its refreshing DB |
21:19:51 | _ntsn | okay here we go, the version which acquired from settings >> system info is: |
21:20:01 | _ntsn | 01.02.18A |
21:20:27 | _ntsn | i guess its pretty old.. |
21:20:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | We're in business! :) |
21:20:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | Have a look at the manual: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html |
21:20:53 | _ntsn | yes i did |
21:21:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Did you find the link to RButil in it? |
21:21:08 | domonoky | _ntsn: thats fine, just read the manual, and use rbutil to install rockbox.. |
21:21:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | You can use that to install Rockbox. |
21:21:20 | _ntsn | i read the getting started & the installation notes |
21:22:00 | _ntsn | i was wondering, since i saw there is another version (e2xxR) how i can determine that im not using the R version? |
21:22:19 | _ntsn | you achived this information from the version? |
21:22:40 | | Part toffe82 |
21:23:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | Is your Sansa a Rhapsody model? With an R in the model name? |
21:23:25 | _ntsn | i dont know, thats my main problem |
21:23:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's a surefire way to find out. |
21:23:58 | _ntsn | im listening :) |
21:24:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Settings > USB. |
21:24:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | What do the options say? |
21:24:52 | _ntsn | from top to bottom: MSC, MTP |
21:24:58 | _ntsn | currently its set to MSC |
21:25:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Not an R model! And good job! :) |
21:25:17 | _ntsn | okay |
21:25:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | So download and fire up RButil, and Rockbox your Sansa! :) |
21:25:33 | _ntsn | before im using the tutorial |
21:25:51 | _ntsn | and equipping my sansa with rockbox |
21:25:59 | _ntsn | there is a way to backup my current settings? |
21:26:10 | _ntsn | i have 2 other files on the root ( ./ ) of my sansa: |
21:26:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Which are? |
21:26:27 | _ntsn | just a sec |
21:26:51 | _ntsn | the first: USB_Disk_Eject.exe |
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21:27:20 | _ntsn | im using it for connecting my sansa to school computer which have no option of uplugging it safely |
21:27:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | They won't be afffected by the install, and the settings on your Sansa's OF won't be affected. |
21:27:38 | _ntsn | (i open it stright from my sansa and its unplug it safely) |
21:27:47 | metro | lots of people... wow... |
21:27:49 | _ntsn | what if OF? |
21:27:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Original Firmware. |
21:28:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | What SanDisk put on the Sansa. |
21:28:06 | _ntsn | oh |
21:28:10 | _ntsn | and i have |
21:28:11 | _ntsn | Playlist Creator.exe |
21:28:18 | _ntsn | which creates playlists |
21:28:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox uses .m3u files for playlists. |
21:28:30 | _ntsn | with correspondence to directory tree |
21:28:37 | _ntsn | okay |
21:28:46 | _ntsn | so now i can delete my playlist creator |
21:28:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | Here's RButil: http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/ |
21:28:59 | _ntsn | i also have winamp_cache_0001.xml on my root |
21:29:00 | _ntsn | ./ |
21:29:11 | _ntsn | what its stands for? why it is there? |
21:29:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | Don't know. Ask Winamp support about that. |
21:29:33 | metro | anyone familiar with rockbox and sansa players have time for a quick question? |
21:29:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | metro: Just ask. |
21:30:32 | metro | alrighty, metronome.. any ideas why I can't get it to play on my sansa c240? everything seems to be fine, it just won't start the count |
21:31:27 | pixelma | it's a bug and not _that_ easy to fix (without a decision). There's a forum thread about it |
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21:32:03 | _ntsn | lambda |
21:32:40 | _ntsn | the installation guide is standing in front of my eyes, i can see 2 main sections: automated installation and manual |
21:32:42 | metro | hmm, quite the bummer. would be perfect for me with a working metronome. |
21:33:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Use "manual". |
21:33:15 | _ntsn | which is preffered for your opinion? |
21:33:33 | _ntsn | and better for me |
21:33:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | I don't use RBUtil to install. I do it the manual way. :) |
21:33:37 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: why ? |
21:33:48 | domonoky | use rbutil its much easier.. |
21:34:05 | pixelma | metro: I hope that this decision will be made in about 1.5 weeks and then try to work on fixes |
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21:34:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | _ntsn: Sorry. I misread what you said. |
21:34:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | Use RBUtil (automated). |
21:34:26 | _ntsn | okay |
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21:34:43 | bluebrother | using rbutil is more user-friendly. At least if you like GUIs ;-) |
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21:36:04 | metro | So pixelma, who would I have to pay (for real) to get a patch for the metronome plugin for my sansa? |
21:36:06 | _ntsn | actually im not a gui man (usually i do the coding part and my partner do the gui's :D ) |
21:36:34 | pixelma | metro: ? that doesn't work this way |
21:36:40 | _ntsn | umm lambda, which version of rbutil (win32) is preffered? |
21:36:46 | _ntsn | and recommende? |
21:36:48 | _ntsn | d |
21:36:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/win32/rbutilqt-v1.0.5.zip |
21:37:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | Are you using Windows? |
21:37:38 | _ntsn | i have xubuntu and winxp but i currently use winxp |
21:38:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then use the link I gave above. |
21:39:00 | _ntsn | there is no SFV / MD5 to make sure it downloaded successfuly ? |
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21:40:59 | _ntsn | LLambdaCalculus377 |
21:41:01 | _ntsn | ? |
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21:41:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | No. Just open the zip file and extract it to a folder. |
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21:41:47 | _ntsn | i have just extracted it |
21:41:53 | _ntsn | umm the guide is pretty messy |
21:41:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | Launch it. |
21:41:59 | _ntsn | (at the websites) |
21:42:16 | _ntsn | can you go with me during the installation? |
21:42:20 | _ntsn | (im doing it right now) |
21:42:46 | _ntsn | just to make sure that im not making and dumb things that would make it not work :D |
21:43:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | _ntsn: RBUtil is perfectly straightforward. I'm sure you can do it by yourself. |
21:43:46 | bluebrother | _ntsn: there is no md5sum because zip itself contains a CRC to check the validity of the file |
21:43:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
21:44:00 | _ntsn | oh okay, thanks blue |
21:44:12 | bluebrother | I'd suggest you simply start using it and ask specific questions if you're stuck. |
21:44:19 | _ntsn | okay |
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21:44:27 | _ntsn | umm there is kind of problem here |
21:44:31 | _ntsn | my sansa i connected |
21:44:39 | _ntsn | i want to unplug it |
21:44:50 | NHeal | zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
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21:44:50 | unpaidbill | rockbox doesnt work on ipod nano? |
21:44:50 | unpaidbill | makes me sad |
21:44:51 | bluebrother | it's in UMS mode, right? |
21:44:54 | _ntsn | i cant unplug it safely with the winxp dialog |
21:45:08 | bluebrother | unpaidbill: it works on the Nano 1G (the non-metal ones) |
21:45:08 | scorche|sh | unpaidbill: the 2nd and 3rd gen versions |
21:45:11 | _ntsn | its on MSC |
21:45:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | So go ahead and start the installation, then. |
21:45:35 | MarcGuay | _ntsn: If you right-click on the first Sansa drive do you have options or is it restricted? |
21:45:39 | _ntsn | i want to unplug it first to make sure of some things.. |
21:45:43 | bluebrother | you should be able to eject it using the "safely remove" icon in the systray. If not you have a windows problem ;-) |
21:45:59 | _ntsn | "the drive H is currently in use..." |
21:46:02 | bluebrother | (but it happens to me every now and then that I need to use that icon several times before it works) |
21:46:12 | _ntsn | i dont have windows problem, even that this is a modified windows |
21:46:29 | bluebrother | check if there is an explorer / whatever window open that could hold file handles on the drive. |
21:46:38 | _ntsn | im not copying and nothing holds it.. |
21:47:06 | bluebrother | in most cases it works if you simply wait a bit. Otherwise, try the sysinternals tools to find the offending process. |
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21:47:25 | _ntsn | im going through the proccesses list.. |
21:47:33 | MarcGuay | It's possible to change the policy of the drive to "Optimized for quick removal" so you don't have to go through the safely-remove business every time. |
21:48:49 | _ntsn | it doesnt bother me |
21:48:54 | _ntsn | ive just ejected it |
21:49:34 | _ntsn | well lets start with the installation, im plugging it in |
21:49:41 | _ntsn | its on MSC mode |
21:50:02 | _ntsn | ive just executed the rbutil |
21:50:06 | _ntsn | and it alerts: |
21:50:27 | _ntsn | your configuration is invalid this is most likely due to... |
21:50:32 | bluebrother | "Configuration invalid" :) |
21:50:44 | _ntsn | whats now? |
21:50:52 | * | bluebrother programmed this dialog and knows its content |
21:51:00 | _ntsn | hh :D |
21:51:09 | _ntsn | blue - i should okay it? |
21:51:20 | pixelma | bluebrother: there's a long example line in the shortcuts plugin section (the last) which doesn't break nicely (if at all) in the pdf. I could just force it on a new line if I make it a new paragraph but maybe there's a cleaner solution... would be nice if you could take a look. :) |
21:51:22 | bluebrother | well, as the dialog tells: go to the configuration (will be opened automatically) and set it up correctly |
21:51:33 | _ntsn | it opened |
21:51:45 | bluebrother | which in most cases means you just need to make use of the "autodetect" button |
21:52:25 | _ntsn | i click the autodetect and it pops:"couldnt detect mountpoint |
21:52:38 | _ntsn | i have selected sansa E200 |
21:53:16 | _ntsn | and about the drive letter: i have 2 letters when i plugg in my sansa: |
21:53:27 | _ntsn | the first is I which is name is |
21:53:28 | _ntsn | Removable Disk |
21:53:29 | bluebrother | well, use the "browse" button right of the mountpoint entry |
21:53:39 | _ntsn | and the second is H which is name is: |
21:53:39 | _ntsn | Sansa e260 |
21:53:42 | bluebrother | you have a micro SD card in the player? |
21:53:47 | _ntsn | which of those i have to select? |
21:53:51 | _ntsn | i have NO microsd card |
21:53:58 | domonoky | unpaidbill: only on first generation nanos |
21:54:14 | bluebrother | interesting. Is H: the drive you put your music on? Then select that. |
21:54:21 | * | domonoky is a bit late :-) |
21:54:34 | bluebrother | domonoky: getting old? ;-) |
21:54:52 | bluebrother | pixelma: checking |
21:54:57 | _ntsn | i put my music on H |
21:55:18 | bluebrother | then select H: |
21:55:18 | _ntsn | i have selected drive H and sansa e200 |
21:55:20 | _ntsn | whats next? |
21:55:37 | bluebrother | confirm the changed settings ... |
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21:55:48 | * | bluebrother wonders if _ntsn uses a GUI the first time |
21:56:01 | _ntsn | umm blue |
21:56:11 | _ntsn | im usualy not uses gui's, |
21:56:17 | _ntsn | but there are other issues |
21:56:21 | BigBambi | bluebrother: That would be odd indeed if someone were cli competent but couldn't work out a GUI :) |
21:56:25 | _ntsn | i will explain it to you later ;) |
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21:56:41 | bluebrother | let me guess ... "Network error"? |
21:57:01 | _ntsn | surprisingly - no :D |
21:57:15 | _ntsn | im selecting complete installation |
21:57:23 | _ntsn | do you really blabla? |
21:57:26 | _ntsn | okay it? |
21:57:31 | bluebrother | well, then it should be quite straightforward |
21:57:49 | _ntsn | wel umm |
21:57:56 | _ntsn | where i should go in this gui |
21:57:59 | bluebrother | if not installation will get cancelled (can't think of anything else that would make sense in that case) |
21:58:03 | _ntsn | complete installation? |
21:58:11 | BigBambi | yes |
21:58:19 | bluebrother | if you want everything (including fonts, doom, etc). |
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21:58:22 | _ntsn | ok |
21:58:26 | BigBambi | If you want a full installation, which I'm assuming you do |
21:58:26 | _ntsn | thats intresting.. |
21:58:40 | _ntsn | i have just entered the full instalation |
21:58:40 | * | domonoky guesses... doom :-) |
21:58:44 | bluebrother | small installation leaves out optional stuff. But you can install that later using the other tabs. |
21:58:46 | _ntsn | and surprisingly (really surprisngly) |
21:58:57 | BigBambi | _ntsn: you don't need to tell us absolutely everything |
21:59:01 | _ntsn | error: NO SANSA FOUND! |
21:59:11 | BigBambi | have you got admin/root rights? |
21:59:22 | _ntsn | bambi: this is an interesting case :D i have to tell you ;) |
21:59:37 | pixelma | is someone with a beast around? |
21:59:39 | _ntsn | im the only user on this machine and im pretty sure that i have admin rights :D |
21:59:44 | BigBambi | pixelma: yes |
21:59:46 | bluebrother | interesting. This shouldn't happen if autodetection figured the correct player |
21:59:52 | _ntsn | Operating System: WinXP Professional 5.1 SP1 (Build #2600) |
21:59:57 | pixelma | BigBambi: ever tried the calculator? |
22:00 |
22:00:07 | _ntsn | umm |
22:00:08 | BigBambi | pixelma: nope, but I can do if you would like :) |
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22:00:14 | _ntsn | im running on winxp sp1 pro |
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22:00:21 | _ntsn | it should make some difference? |
22:00:31 | BigBambi | no |
22:00:47 | _ntsn | so blue |
22:00:59 | _ntsn | what do you think? |
22:01:00 | _ntsn | :D |
22:01:18 | BigBambi | _ntsn: If you want people to get hilighted whn you say their name (and therefore notice you said something), you need to use their full name |
22:01:26 | bluebrother | pixelma: you could reword that line like the examples in the wps tags chapter. I.e. a new paragraph "example: <foo>" |
22:01:37 | _ntsn | BBigBambii |
22:01:47 | BigBambi | ? |
22:01:52 | _ntsn | believe me that i know this, i dont want to interupt |
22:02:07 | BigBambi | _ntsn: don't worry |
22:02:09 | _ntsn | so bluebrother - any ideas? |
22:02:13 | bluebrother | _ntsn: please try the "Installation" tab |
22:02:16 | pixelma | BigBambi: I'd just like an opinion on why selecting a number is on "menu" and whether anything speaks against putting it on "select", thanks :) |
22:02:38 | BigBambi | pixelma: On select please |
22:02:52 | bluebrother | use the "Bootloader" button first. We had issues with automatic installation in the past (but those should be fixed −− probably there is still something wrong :o ) |
22:02:52 | _ntsn | just for general info: ive open the root of my sansa and found ./.rockbox |
22:02:56 | _ntsn | but its empty |
22:03:01 | BigBambi | pixelma: I just spent a minute pressing all the buttons trying to figure out how to select :) |
22:03:06 | pixelma | bluebrother: thanks, will take a look |
22:03:18 | _ntsn | bluebrother |
22:03:28 | * | bluebrother just got hilighted |
22:03:34 | BigBambi | \o/ |
22:03:49 | _ntsn | im getting to the installation tab, but first - i think that more problems will pop up soon, there is a way to backup this sansa on my windows? |
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22:04:37 | BigBambi | I assume you already have a music backup |
22:04:45 | _ntsn | (i guess my tweeked winxp is making some noises..) |
22:04:47 | bluebrother | sansapatcher (which installs the bootloader and is utilized by Rockbox Utility) is usually safe. I don't know of any serious issues (except people using it in strange ways) |
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22:04:48 | _ntsn | yes i did |
22:05:01 | bluebrother | for the data partition it's up to you ;-) |
22:05:07 | BigBambi | As for the system, unless you do something really silly that isn't in the manual, it will be fine - and even then it is recoverable |
22:05:34 | _ntsn | okay so im going back to the bootloader |
22:05:54 | _ntsn | again: NO SANSA FOUND |
22:06:05 | bluebrother | that's really interesting. |
22:06:28 | bluebrother | did autodetection work or did you select the model yourself? |
22:06:28 | _ntsn | well |
22:06:36 | _ntsn | it did NOT |
22:06:42 | _ntsn | i selected the model by my self |
22:06:45 | _ntsn | and the drive too |
22:06:58 | BigBambi | and you have it connected in MSC mode? |
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22:07:07 | _ntsn | yes |
22:07:12 | bluebrother | ok. Then there is definitely an issue detecting the player. Autodetection should be able to detect the sansa in every case |
22:07:16 | _ntsn | i will disconnect it to make sure of it |
22:07:17 | * | gevaerts has doubts about this administrative rights thing |
22:07:29 | BigBambi | It is the only thing I can think of right now |
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22:07:44 | _ntsn | well umm im trying to disconnect it |
22:07:52 | _ntsn | i guess the rbutil is still using it.. |
22:07:57 | _ntsn | i should kill this proccess? |
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22:08:36 | bluebrother | you can close it, but it's not locking the device (unless writing data) |
22:08:50 | _ntsn | when its opened i cant log it off.. |
22:09:15 | _ntsn | well its on MSC |
22:09:22 | _ntsn | i am plugging it back again |
22:09:51 | bluebrother | can you please check if you have permissions for raw disc access? You need it for the bootloader |
22:10:09 | _ntsn | how can i check this |
22:10:23 | _ntsn | net user: |
22:10:24 | _ntsn | Admin Administrator Amit |
22:10:24 | _ntsn | Guest HelpAssistant |
22:10:29 | _ntsn | im currently on |
22:10:41 | _ntsn | Admin Administrator Amit |
22:10:41 | _ntsn | Guest HelpAssistant |
22:10:48 | _ntsn | C:\>net user admin |
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22:11:00 | _ntsn | Local Group Memberships *Administrators *Users |
22:11:22 | BigBambi | _ntsn: Please use something like www.pastebin.ca for many line pastes |
22:11:32 | _ntsn | sorry for this, i will next time |
22:11:42 | BigBambi | cheers :) |
22:11:58 | _ntsn | bluebrothers - how can i check those privileges? |
22:12:58 | _ntsn | bluebrother - how can i check those privileges? |
22:13:29 | bluebrother | if you click on the start menu button, do you see your name? |
22:13:39 | _ntsn | yes i do.. |
22:13:40 | _ntsn | Admin |
22:13:53 | bluebrother | then try "net user admin" |
22:14:09 | _ntsn | thats what i did |
22:14:10 | bluebrother | and check for a line "Local Group Memberships" |
22:14:17 | _ntsn | C:\Program Files\Xscript_v10.0a>net user admin |
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22:14:27 | _ntsn | Local Group Memberships *Administrators *Users |
22:14:27 | _ntsn | Global Group memberships *None |
22:14:52 | _ntsn | i know i have triple check those rights for terminal services.. |
22:15:15 | _ntsn | you can treat it like a constant - i HAVE admin privileges ;) |
22:15:19 | bluebrother | do you have a hub between player and PC? |
22:15:33 | bluebrother | or anything else but the stock cable? |
22:15:46 | _ntsn | nothing at all |
22:15:56 | bluebrother | front USB connector? |
22:16:00 | _ntsn | this is a brand new (pretty old) |
22:16:02 | _ntsn | sansa |
22:16:13 | _ntsn | yes im plugging it with at the front pane |
22:16:21 | bluebrother | ok, please try one at the back. |
22:16:28 | _ntsn | just a second |
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22:19:29 | _ntsn | i have plugged it in again |
22:19:32 | _ntsn | whats now |
22:19:42 | bluebrother | try autodetection again. |
22:19:56 | _ntsn | could not... |
22:20:01 | _ntsn | it doesnt work |
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22:20:18 | bluebrother | hmm. Now it's getting really strange. Can you check on a different PC? |
22:20:32 | _ntsn | hh |
22:20:37 | _ntsn | strange is good :) |
22:20:48 | _ntsn | let me see if i can |
22:21:03 | _ntsn | (its 11:23PM in israel..) |
22:21:04 | bluebrother | well, there have been issues with semi-broken cables or front usb ports. |
22:21:30 | bluebrother | but as you talked about a modded windows this could also act up. At least I could imagine it ;-) |
22:21:37 | _ntsn | umm |
22:21:42 | _ntsn | thats what i think is the problem |
22:21:58 | _ntsn | actually i have minified my winxp installation to 200mb :D |
22:23:13 | _ntsn | i have another machine to check this on it |
22:23:27 | _ntsn | you have an online pjirc or something? (i dont have irc there) |
22:24:09 | bluebrother | rockbox.org/irc |
22:24:14 | bluebrother | or use mibbit.com |
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22:26:00 | _ntsn2 | im on the other machine |
22:26:07 | _ntsn2 | bluebrother? |
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22:26:36 | bluebrother | yep. Any news? |
22:27:23 | _ntsn2 | as the other machine - i have two drives: F and G |
22:28:08 | pixelma | that sounds more correct - the second is the microSD slot, it's even present when there's no card inserted |
22:29:05 | _ntsn2 | im exectuing the rbutil |
22:29:08 | _ntsn2 | again, its sais |
22:29:12 | _ntsn2 | says |
22:29:22 | _ntsn2 | configuration invalid blabla |
22:29:29 | _ntsn2 | whats now bluebrother? |
22:31:12 | _ntsn2 | well im selecting |
22:31:22 | bluebrother | well, it's unsurprising the configuration is missing. Please go to the configuration dialog and check if autodetection detects the correct player |
22:31:26 | _ntsn2 | complete installation again |
22:31:45 | _ntsn2 | and boom, no sansa found |
22:31:58 | gevaerts | _ntsn2: please try to keep sentences on one line |
22:32:00 | _ntsn2 | it does NOT detects |
22:32:30 | _ntsn2 | so im selecting sansa e200 and drive F |
22:32:40 | bluebrother | ok. Going through it again: you administrator on that machine and that wxp isn't modded? |
22:32:41 | _ntsn2 | then get back to complete, and boom, no sansa found |
22:32:51 | bluebrother | sure. That's expected. |
22:32:53 | _ntsn2 | this is winxp sp2 |
22:33:06 | _ntsn2 | and its not modded |
22:33:09 | bluebrother | if autodetection doesn't find your player bootloader installation also won't do it. |
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22:33:21 | _ntsn2 | an d as usual - administrator privileges |
22:33:36 | _ntsn2 | so where we are going from here.. |
22:33:42 | scorche|sh | _ntsn2: really now...please place complete thoughts on one line...the enter key is not a comma |
22:33:43 | _ntsn2 | im starving for my rockbox :) |
22:34:13 | scorche|sh | it makes things much harder to read andmake it harder for us to help you |
22:34:19 | bluebrother | well, in that case ... now going to the kitchen for some food? ;-) |
22:34:31 | _ntsn2 | im understanding, i will keep it in lines |
22:35:38 | _ntsn2 | umm feeding is not a part of my schedule right now (till it will work) |
22:35:49 | _ntsn2 | any ideas from here? |
22:36:01 | _ntsn2 | maybe it will help, the files on my sansa are: |
22:36:18 | * | bluebrother whispers "pastebin" |
22:36:20 | gevaerts | Would trying sansapatcher help give some indication on what is wrong ? |
22:36:45 | _ntsn2 | ./pmp_usb.ini ./version.sdk ./VERSION.TXT ./winamp_cache_0001.xml |
22:36:51 | bluebrother | I don't think so but maybe it's worth a try. I don't think −−verbose works on sansapatcher |
22:38:20 | bluebrother | hmm, Rockbox definitely lacks a bmp viewer. |
22:39:06 | gevaerts | It has one. It's called the While Playing Screen ;) |
22:39:23 | _ntsn2 | bootloader: the same thing.. |
22:39:32 | Llorean | bluebrother: Well there's Rockpaint though, right? |
22:39:53 | pixelma | only on colour targets |
22:40:33 | bluebrother | I just started having bmp files on my player (first color target in my collection) |
22:40:52 | _ntsn2 | bluebrother - i dont think this situation is windows dependence, im getting back to my primary machine (winxp sp1 modded) |
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22:41:17 | bluebrother | it's kinda interesting to see how fast the "disc" in a flash player is. No wonder all those sansa-kids forget the issues with hdd based players ... |
22:42:13 | _ntsn | I am back.. |
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22:42:58 | _ntsn | blue - the flash is awsome thing.. i use it in some other things and its grea |
22:42:59 | _ntsn | great |
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22:44:05 | * | bluebrother still likes the mini better |
22:44:54 | * | gevaerts wonders. Is there a lsusb like tool in windows ? |
22:45:19 | bluebrother | hmm ... yep: usbview.exe. It's part of the DDK |
22:45:50 | gevaerts | Maybe that can show if this sansa at least has the expected ids |
22:46:32 | _ntsn | umm blue |
22:46:59 | _ntsn | i have just went back from the kitchen with 2 icecold beers and some choclate |
22:47:07 | _ntsn | where we can go from here? |
22:47:10 | _ntsn | manual installation? |
22:48:12 | _ntsn | ggevaertss |
22:49:07 | _ntsn | bbluebrotherr |
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22:49:37 | _ntsn | i guess im alone here? |
22:49:39 | leachim6 | If I wanted to make a plugin for rockbox ... how would I run it |
22:49:48 | Llorean | _ntsn: If neither sansapatcher nor rbutil can detect your player, you need to figure out what's different about it. |
22:49:52 | leachim6 | could I run it from the data partition or would I have to reinstall rockbox |
22:50:02 | scorche|sh | _ntsn: you arent helping by doing that... |
22:50:06 | Llorean | _ntsn: But please, don't just ramble on to your self if nobody replies. Have some patience, not everyone can be here constantly |
22:50:18 | _ntsn | sorry for this |
22:50:26 | bascule_on_forum | If anyone's looking for something to commit, my manual updates are ready here http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9086 |
22:50:30 | Llorean | leachim6: Plugins are compiled against Rockbox, so you'd need to update your build to the new one with the plugin |
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22:50:53 | _ntsn | Llorean: my sansa is e2xx and the version is: |
22:51:18 | Llorean | _ntsn: I didn't ask for that information |
22:51:28 | _ntsn | umm maybe thats the differ |
22:51:32 | Llorean | I'm not volunteering to help you, I'm busy right now. |
22:51:39 | Llorean | I said *you* need to figure out what's different about it. |
22:51:41 | _ntsn | okay, thanks anyway |
22:52:10 | leachim6 | Llorean, couldn't I write some sort of loader plugin that loads plugins from the data partition ? |
22:52:59 | _ntsn | scorche|sh - you are free to help? i think i know the problem |
22:53:17 | bluebrother | _ntsn: if you know the problem why not just name it? |
22:53:26 | _ntsn | cause im not sure this is it |
22:53:26 | scorche|sh | _ntsn: i am not...i am at work...if you know the problem then just say it and work on fixing it |
22:53:44 | bluebrother | why didn't I build my usb id tool against release dlls? grrr. |
22:54:00 | Llorean | leachim6: Rockbox exists on the data partition. You just need to unzip a new rockbox.zip to the player, how is that more difficult than copying over a plugin? Perhaps you should investigate how rockbox plugins work first? |
22:54:07 | _ntsn | i have just found out that after running the complete, the big bang happens (sansa not found), then i open the root of my sansa and there is a .rockbox folder |
22:54:25 | pixelma | bascule_on_forum: maybe I'll take a look tomorrow or so. Currently working on updates to plugin button tables, want to get that in first |
22:54:28 | _ntsn | but its empty, maybe it has no permission to write things into it? |
22:54:40 | Llorean | _ntsn: I thought you were running it as admin |
22:54:50 | _ntsn | yes i do |
22:54:51 | pixelma | bascule_on_forum: is there something plugin related in your patches too? |
22:54:57 | * | BigBambi didn't think fat32 had permissions anyway |
22:55:19 | Bagder | _ntsn: file system messed up? out of disk space? |
22:55:25 | _ntsn | i see that the folder exists, but its empty, it may have only writing permission? |
22:55:35 | bluebrother | you might want to run chkdsk /f on that drive |
22:55:37 | Llorean | Bagder: He can't install the bootloader, the tools aren't detecting his sansa |
22:55:37 | _ntsn | only creating folder permission* |
22:55:43 | gevaerts | On fat32 ? |
22:55:49 | Bagder | _ntsn: v2 sansa? |
22:55:52 | advcomp2019 | _ntsn, i am wondering what sansa firmware you have installed |
22:55:59 | _ntsn | bagder - i have no idea |
22:56:01 | bluebrother | FAT32 only has a read only attribute. No permissions. |
22:56:15 | Bagder | _ntsn: what's the OF version of it? |
22:56:26 | _ntsn | advcomp2019 - i have NOT updated my sansa firmware since i bought it, the current version of my original sansa firmware is: |
22:56:27 | bluebrother | rbutil should be able notifying the user of a v2 ... if autodetection is used. |
22:56:40 | bascule_on_forum | pixelma: thanks. No, none of my updates are plugin-related |
22:56:41 | bluebrother | of course it's possible there are PIDs missing |
22:56:51 | PaulJam | Bagder: no, he posted the fw version earlier. it's a v1. |
22:56:59 | Bagder | ah, ok I missed that |
22:57:00 | _ntsn | my version: 01.02.18A |
22:57:13 | Bagder | _ntsn: you tried using other usb ports in your computer? |
22:57:18 | BigBambi | _ntsn: You worked out 1h40 ago that it was v1 with LambdaCalculus |
22:57:26 | _ntsn | at first i used the front-pane usb's |
22:57:36 | _ntsn | then i tried the ones at the back of the case |
22:57:46 | leachim6 | Llorean, what rockbox files are on the data partition I couldn't find any (link please) |
22:57:57 | _ntsn | both gave the same error "sansa not found" and i couldnt detect it with the rbutil |
22:58:08 | Bagder | _ntsn: and does your OS detect the device and list it in some list somewhere of usb devices? |
22:58:31 | BigBambi | leachim6: There is a .rockbox folder that contains them all |
22:58:44 | Llorean | leachim6: All of them but the bootloader, in a standard install... |
22:58:51 | _ntsn | yes it does, i can see my device at the usb devices |
22:59:04 | _ntsn | i can transfer music and others |
22:59:32 | bascule_on_forum | quit |
22:59:35 | bascule_on_forum | exit |
22:59:43 | BigBambi | _ntsn: And it actually appears as a drive, not a folder? |
22:59:55 | BigBambi | bascule_on_forum: you want a / in front of that quit :) |
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23:00:01 | _ntsn | it apears as drive, not a folder |
23:00:25 | _ntsn | its listed under "devices with removable storage" on "my computer" |
23:01:04 | _ntsn | there are 2 drives - someone said some time ago that the second is for the microsf |
23:01:05 | _ntsn | sd |
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23:02:06 | _ntsn | maybe its important: i bought this device about 2 or 3 years ago (israels dutyfree) |
23:05:35 | leachim6 | how can I mount my iPod under linux without being root |
23:06:19 | BigBambi | leachim6: That isn't really a rockbox question |
23:06:42 | _ntsn | well i think i ran out of ideas |
23:06:54 | leachim6 | Nobody else knows |
23:06:54 | _ntsn | anyone have any leading? |
23:07:00 | leachim6 | I'm sure some of you guys know |
23:07:09 | _ntsn | maybe the manual way? |
23:07:12 | bluebrother | leachim6: that depends on your distribution. |
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23:07:48 | BigBambi | leachim6: Yes, but it isn't a rockbox question |
23:07:50 | _ntsn | so umm bluebrother what is your suggestion from the current situation? (im running out of beers :D) |
23:07:55 | BigBambi | This isn't a general support channel |
23:08:08 | BigBambi | _ntsn: please, people will answer if they know |
23:08:17 | | Part kretender |
23:08:32 | _ntsn | sorry im just curious about this |
23:08:52 | _ntsn | a friend of mine told me that it takes 3 minutes (which turned to 2 hours..) |
23:09:20 | _ntsn | bigbambi - you think that installing with the manual way would solve this? |
23:09:26 | BigBambi | _ntsn: Sure, but this is a logged support and development channel. We would rather not have the logs filled up with people rambling to themselves |
23:09:36 | bluebrother | I needed 2 minutes when I installed a few days back. |
23:09:42 | BigBambi | _ntsn: I thought you had already tried sansapatcher? |
23:10:16 | _ntsn | what is sansapatcher? |
23:10:17 | bluebrother | you can try running sansapatcher manually (hint: the manual tells this) but I don't think this will make a difference −− Rockbox Utility uses sansapatcher itself |
23:10:29 | bluebrother | _ntsn: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
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23:11:06 | _ntsn | so we are stuck.. |
23:11:25 | bluebrother | you can still try it. |
23:11:28 | BigBambi | _ntsn: try sansapatcher, you never know |
23:11:48 | _ntsn | okay |
23:11:55 | _ntsn | i will try the manual way |
23:12:11 | _ntsn | what order of acts i have to follow? |
23:12:14 | pixelma | bluebrother: does using \begin{example} need something special, I keep getting "FancyVerb Error - Empty verbatim environment" though I copy-pasted it from the advanced topics part where it works |
23:12:21 | BigBambi | _ntsn: please read the manual |
23:12:55 | _ntsn | im reading |
23:13:12 | BigBambi | _ntsn: You don't need to tell us every little thing you are doing |
23:13:16 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
23:13:40 | bluebrother | pixelma: there shouldn't be anything special |
23:15:29 | pixelma | ok, trying some things |
23:15:39 | _ntsn | bigbambi - there is a binary win32 version of sansapatcher out there? |
23:15:50 | BigBambi | yes, the manual links to it. Please read it |
23:15:57 | _ntsn | oh i find it nvm |
23:16:29 | leachim6 | so pretty much everything for rockbox is included right |
23:16:34 | leachim6 | there are no extras |
23:16:44 | BigBambi | You will want to install the fonts pack |
23:16:44 | leachim6 | in the way of apps and codecs and plugins and such |
23:16:48 | leachim6 | I got it |
23:16:52 | BigBambi | in that case, no |
23:16:53 | gevaerts | What would be the point of extras ? |
23:16:58 | leachim6 | what is everyone's preferred theme ? |
23:17:14 | BigBambi | leachim6: just look at them and decide for yourself |
23:17:36 | leachim6 | can rockbox play mp4 audio ? |
23:17:45 | leachim6 | .m4a |
23:18:08 | BigBambi | leachim6: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs |
23:18:29 | _ntsn | bluebrother |
23:18:46 | BigBambi | _ntsn: If you have another question, just ask |
23:19:21 | _ntsn | bigbambi |
23:19:38 | _ntsn | i have just copied the .rockbox, now im with the sansapatcher |
23:19:53 | _ntsn | i think it detected it correctly, im attaching the lines from it: |
23:19:53 | _ntsn | http://www.pastebin.ca/1050547 |
23:20:19 | BigBambi | right? |
23:20:25 | BigBambi | What is the question? |
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23:20:30 | scorche|sh | _ntsn: how many times must i ask you to not use the enter key so much and form complete thoughts on *one* line? |
23:20:37 | _ntsn | does it detecting it right? |
23:20:41 | BigBambi | yes |
23:20:45 | _ntsn | thanks |
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23:21:03 | BigBambi | ffs, it says [INFO] e200 found - disk device 1 |
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23:22:43 | _ntsn | well thanks, i have just rebooted my sansa and it seems to work, the rockbox loaded successfuly |
23:22:51 | BigBambi | good |
23:22:58 | _ntsn | im still intresting what was the problem |
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23:23:10 | _ntsn | but as long as it working - it does not matter |
23:23:28 | BigBambi | yes, it is very odd that rbutil didn't work as it uses the same code as sansapatcher |
23:23:38 | BigBambi | and it worked fine for me for instance |
23:24:28 | _ntsn | bluebrother, BigBambi, gevaerts, LambdaCalculus37 thanks for the help guys, im really apperciate it, keep up the good work :) |
23:24:38 | BigBambi | you are welcome |
23:25:14 | _ntsn | thanks |
23:25:23 | PaulJam | maybe an old version of rbutil? |
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23:31:58 | pixelma | bluebrother: turns out, that the ! in the end of the line is the problem |
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23:44:37 | saratoga | we should consider getting a tech support IRC channel |
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23:45:29 | saratoga | i'm tired of having 5 page long "how do i format my ipod" conversations in the logs |
23:45:34 | saratoga | they're dull and they obscure useful things |
23:45:35 | _ntsn | umm just to make sure: where i should put my MP3? |
23:47:17 | bluebrother | somewhere where you find it. For example, not under the bed. |
23:47:36 | _ntsn | hehe |
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23:48:17 | bluebrother | saratoga: I agree with you. |
23:48:18 | _ntsn | bluebrother: thanks for the help, finally i tried the manual installation and the sansapatcher worked! |
23:48:34 | _ntsn | in which directory i should put my MP3's? |
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23:48:59 | Bagder | _ntsn: anywhere you like |
23:49:01 | bluebrother | as I said: not below the bed. Really, please RTFM first. The FAQ is also a good start ... |
23:49:17 | _ntsn | i am reading :D |
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23:52:13 | * | shotofadds has good news and bad. |
23:52:22 | scorche|sh | saratoga: bluebrother: really?...last time i brought this up, it was thrown down quite quickly ;) |
23:52:36 | shotofadds | the bad: I just deafened myself |
23:52:48 | BigBambi | \o/ |
23:52:54 | * | Bagder makes the drumroll |
23:52:56 | scorche|sh | \o/ |
23:53:05 | shotofadds | oi... hold yer knickers on |
23:53:10 | shotofadds | the good: my D2 just played the first 10s of MGMT - Kids :-) |
23:53:22 | shotofadds | at FULL BLAST through headphones :( |
23:53:22 | BigBambi | congrats :) |
23:53:26 | * | scorche|sh awaits a mail on the list |
23:53:35 | bluebrother | we need a Rockbox song for first plays ;-) |
23:53:51 | bluebrother | Gentlemen, we have ... Kids playing? |
23:53:59 | BigBambi | Bagder, LinusN and Zagor need to record a little anthem :) |
23:54:11 | scorche|sh | bluebrother: the badger badger badger "song"? =P |
23:54:24 | shotofadds | heh.. there's a band called Rockbox isn't there? we should use them... |
23:54:33 | bluebrother | hmm, is there some musician around at DCE? Make a DCE song :D |
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23:54:45 | scorche|sh | maybe we can all sing along to some monty python song and have petur use his taping rig |
23:54:46 | shotofadds | scorche|sh: a mail will come when I've figured out /why/ it works :p |
23:54:54 | bluebrother | (sound of typing ;-) |
23:54:57 | shotofadds | and committed stuff, fo course |
23:55:16 | shotofadds | *of |
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23:55:27 | * | bluebrother looks at the VirtualAlloc call in ipodio-w32.c and wonders why / how it works |
23:56:34 | shotofadds | Only problem is I'm not sure how useful sound is, without a reliable filesystem driver... |
23:57:20 | shotofadds | speaking of which.... preglow, any progress with the SD stuff? |
23:58:10 | scorche|sh | hrm...why is "Release a new VMWare development image?" on the DCE discussion agenda?...havent i already decided i was going to make one? |
23:58:36 | Bagder | and what's there to discuss about it? |
23:58:51 | bluebrother | seems the wiki doesn't know about your decision (yet) ;-) |
23:58:54 | scorche|sh | indeed...nothing beyond what should be in a list on the wiki page |