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#rockbox log for 2008-06-20

00:01:23Armand`q: I have a 5th or 5.5th gen iPod video here. how would I found out which one it actually is? trying to find the battery capacity in mAh for it...
00:02:48scorche|shArmand`: perhaps by serial number from the ones listed on Apple's site?
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00:05:10Fast2CashYou guys, it worked FLAWLESSLY. Perfect, and everything. I appreciate it. Im off now, i'll be back! Thank you again!
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00:07:49Armand`apple's specs pages only seem to list play times...
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00:08:12BigBambiArmand`: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353
00:08:46MarcGuayBooya! Found the backlight pin on the c100! Grunt-work pays off.
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00:11:19Armand`BigBambi: thanks.
00:11:41Armand`mine appears to be the late 2006 iPod video 80GB, still nothing on Apple's page on actual battery capacity... I could have sworn I found a page listing it somewhere, but I can't for the life of me remember wher it was
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00:16:51BCM43anybody know about the Gigabeat S, and if it is woth an install to test for bugs?
00:17:17Fast2CashHey can somebody help explain to me how to install a theme i downloaded? Do i just replace the .rockbox folder with the one i just downloaded?
00:17:56bluebrotherunzip the theme zip so its contents go to the player while keeping the structure. I.e. you'll get some additional stuff in the .rockbox folder
00:18:06BigBambiBCM43: Not unless you are a dev yet
00:18:24BigBambiIt isn't complete, so pointing out bugs is a little pointless
00:18:26Fast2CashUnzip it to the sansa root folder?
00:18:27BCM43BigBambi: ok, do you know if it is being worked on?
00:18:30BigBambiyes
00:18:37BCM43ok, thanks
00:18:38pixelmaassuming the theme is made correctly
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00:21:15Fast2CashOkay i extracted it to the root folder, is that it? Just reboot and it will work?
00:21:31scorche|shyou need to select it....the manual should go over this
00:21:48bluebrotherno need to reboot
00:22:25scorche|shbluebrother: well, being that it is on a sansa...
00:23:21Fast2CashFound it.
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01:20:14iJasonHi
01:21:49iJasonjust wondering if Rockbox will ever appear on the iPod classic
01:21:57iJasonjust wondering if rockbox will ever appear on the iPod Classic
01:21:59scorche|shnot as long as no one is working on it
01:22:04iJasonoh ok
01:22:41iJasoni had a 5g video but its dead
01:22:58iJasoni now have the 160gb classic
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01:35:02MTee_could someone help me with arabic rendering ?
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02:14:21Fast2CashIs anyone still on here willing to help with Rockbox install?
02:16:42MarcGuayFast2Cash: I thought it was working...
02:17:45Fast2CashNo it is
02:17:52Fast2CashBut my girlfriend wants it too :D
02:18:02Fast2CashWanna help? Shes gotta Sansa e200...not R.
02:18:11advcomp2019that is easier
02:18:25Fast2CashI downloaded the Rockbox utility downloader thing.
02:18:34MarcGuayYou're good. Just run RB util.
02:18:53Fast2CashWell it says choose where its mounted.
02:19:05MarcGuayDoes the auto-detect not work?
02:19:12Fast2CashAnd it says Drive K: and i choose auto-detect, it fails...and then i do it manually, and it STILL fails.c
02:19:35scorche|shFast2Cash: what version is the original firmware?
02:19:46MarcGuayAh. Did you read the header on the e200 port page?
02:19:52MarcGuayToo slow.
02:20:14Fast2CashThe version?
02:20:22Fast2CashIts v1 i checked.
02:21:02Fast2CashAnd i changed it to MSC.
02:21:50MarcGuaySo you have it set to Sansa e200 on K: drive and you're choosing "Complete Installation"?
02:23:05MarcGuayThe specific error message may be helpful.
02:23:37Fast2Cashyes.
02:24:38Fast2CashCould not detect device, select manually.
02:25:12MarcGuayDo you see 2 drives mounted in exporer?
02:25:52MarcGuay*explorer
02:26:40MarcGuayWhat's the error when you set it manually and click "Complete Installation"?
02:27:40Fast2CashManually it says "Not detected!"
02:27:55Fast2CashAnd now my pc isnt even recognizing it
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02:30:35Fast2CashIm going to go try it at her house.
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02:48:05mrjohnwhat's the latest with the sansa express?
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02:49:21saratogai think no one is working on it
02:49:42mrjohnoh ok
02:50:19mrjohnis the express' sound quality better than the e200?
02:51:28saratogathis isn't the right place to ask
02:52:17mrjohnso what can i ask here
02:52:27saratogarockbox stuff
02:53:01mrjohnok
02:53:01saratogatheres actually a handy rules link that popped up when you logged in
02:53:10scorche|shand is in the topic too
02:56:14mrjohni missed it
02:56:40mrjohnso who is the leader of this development
02:56:53scorche|shof what development?
02:58:48mrjohnrockbox
02:59:02scorche|shwe dont have a defined leader
02:59:11scorche|shpeople work on what they wish to work on
02:59:28mrjohnbut shouldnt it have a bit more organization
02:59:40scorche|shwhat do you mean?
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03:01:12mrjohnwith a leader there would be more organization
03:01:24scorche|shi still dont see what you are getting at
03:01:57mrjohnwith everyone doing anything they want.... somethings might take longer to do
03:02:09mrjohnrockbox is cool nevertheless
03:02:35scorche|shwhy would we force people to do something they dont wish to do?...it isnt like anyone gets paid
03:03:14mrjohnu r not being forced
03:03:27mrjohnbut with a leader, u would be more organized
03:03:39mrjohnmore focused on specific goals
03:04:22LloreanIf the leader doesn't have the ability to enforce dictates, he's just a guy who says "Dudes, you should be working on X"
03:04:27LloreanWe've already got a few thousand of those.
03:05:22mrjohnso it's more of a laissez faire approach
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03:06:09scorche|shwell, this is an open source project being worked on by unpaid volunteers who come and go as they please
03:06:29mrjohninteresting
03:06:43scorche|shdo you know how open source works?
03:07:48mrjohnyes i do
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03:09:15LloreanTo be fair, many projects do have a "head" who makes the final decisions about project direction
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03:09:50wastreli have an e250
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03:10:38scorche|shLlorean: yes, but even then it is a "we will not accept X patch" sort of thing which we alreayd do and can be strengthenes by the board
03:10:55LloreanYeah. But some also have roadmaps
03:11:05LloreanBut it's still not leadership, just organization, I think
03:11:51scorche|shindeed, but it is still a "Dudes, you should be working on X" sort of thing unless they say soemthing like "you will have commit access revoked if you do not do Y"
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03:13:59scorche|shit depends on his definition of a leader, i suppose
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04:19:13wastrelis it possible to download flash video and convert it to play in rockbox?
04:20:09scorcheyou might want to have a go at searching google for an "flv to speg2" convertor
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04:25:25Kulsh123I downloaded a theme and installed it and its a little glitchy, help?
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08:42:51*GodEater wonders if a seperate sub-forum for RBUtil is perhaps a good idea these days
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08:44:58scorchewhat would go there that wouldnt be satisfied by installation forums and the bug tracker?
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08:50:36[1]cool_walking_Is RbUtil really that hard to use?
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09:02:25GodEaterWell we have a number of posts for people who have been trying to use it to install themes to their DAPs - I'm not sure this is really covered under the "Installation" sections of our forums, or the WPS section either
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09:09:00scorchei think it would be fine in the WPS section
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12:14:16scorchelogbot is touchy and senses a botnet invasion =/
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12:14:54Bagder4 clients is a bit suspect
12:15:03scorchesuspect of a poor router
12:15:15Bagderand a poor irc client too then
12:15:25scorcheor a myriad of other causes
12:15:35Bagderyeps
12:16:00Bagderlogbot is the kind that shoots first and then don't ask ;-)
12:16:32scorcheas long as it has us as the janitors cleaning up the bodies :)
12:16:41Bagderhaha, indeed
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12:29:57BuXY95hi, please help! my file browser is displaying files and directories in reversed order!
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12:37:57BuXY95anybody? :)
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12:41:28gevaertsBuXY95: a lot of people don't look at their irc window very often (work time in Europe). Eventually someone will answer (not me, I don't know how to fix this)
12:43:46peturBuXY95: File View settings?
12:44:16petur(under general settings)
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12:46:02BuXY95well, actually, leaving the unit alone for 10 minutes solved the problem.....
12:46:24BuXY95yeah, i have been RTFM, but no sign of ascending or descending order of file listing
12:46:54BuXY95gevaerts: i should be working now too :)
12:47:13PaulJamBuXY95: this seems to be a known issue. see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8949
12:49:04BuXY95thank you, this is a perfect description of my problem. and a perfect remedy. cancel my last note about leaving it alone!
12:54:18BuXY95bye
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13:58:55*preglow wonders if we'll ever have several nand chips in one dap...
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14:00:36wpyhpreglow: why not?
14:01:23preglowthink i'll leave that for then
14:01:29gevaertspreglow: you mean mapped as several volumes ?
14:02:05*gevaerts considers that unlikely
14:02:10preglowgevaerts: just thinking in the IF_MV2 sense of things, needing to pass a drive parameter
14:02:20preglowgevaerts: me too, so i'll drop it in the actual nand backend
14:02:27preglowshould be a quick fix anyway
14:05:06dionoeaAnyone here know what the internal audio format is in rockbox? s16<something>? u16?
14:05:20preglowdepends on what level you mean
14:05:27dionoeaafter the decoder
14:05:28preglowit's 32 bit ints all the way through dsp
14:05:39dionoeaso 1 sample is 32 bits?
14:05:45preglowthe decoder can spit out s16 if it wants too, but it'll be converted to 32 bits
14:05:46dionoea(for each channel?)
14:05:47preglowyeah
14:05:48preglowyes
14:06:10dionoeathanks.
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14:07:01funmanhello
14:07:18dionoeapreglow: funman is porting some rockbox decoder to VLC (for fixed pointed computing) and has issues
14:07:34funmannoobness issues i believe ^^
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14:10:40funmanI'm not sure which format does the wma decoder output (in apps/codecs/libwma)
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14:11:23funmanthe asf container says it's encoded in 16bps, but maybe the codec does convert it
14:12:13funmanin apps/codecs/wma.c decoded samples are given to ci->pcmbuf_insert()
14:13:02preglowfunman: wma outputs 32 bit ints, non-interleaved stereo
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14:13:48preglowfixed point format, Q30
14:14:05preglowno wait, it's interleaved
14:14:47preglowasf container can say what it wants, wma is a transform codec, so the output precision is whatever you want it to be, and we want it to be 32 bits
14:14:50funmani'm using mono atm to avoid this kind of questions, and reask myself them later
14:14:57preglowgood :)
14:15:24funmanaah ok, it's clear now :)
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14:19:12*preglow wonders where the lang file properties are set
14:20:36*preglow finds out
14:22:09preglowHAVE_MULTIVOLUME seems to be used to decide if there is a memory card slot available. isn't this wrong?
14:22:24gevaertsYes
14:23:29gevaertsI think HAVE_HOTSWAP is closer
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14:24:03preglowmain_menu.c seems to use HAVE_MULTIVOLUME to decide if it should print out some values gotten from mmc land
14:24:09*gevaerts thinks that this HAVE_MULTIVOLUME/HAVE_HOTSWAP thing should be part of the Big Ata Refactoring
14:24:42funmanpreglow: vlc uses Q28, I'll need to do some conversion in between
14:24:46gevaertsI guess that needs to be HAVE_MMC
14:25:29preglowfunman: just a simple shift
14:25:39preglowfunman: we actually use q28 ourselves, but wma hasn't been fixed for that yet
14:25:52preglowgevaerts: definitely
14:25:59funmanoh ok
14:26:09preglowgevaerts: we should also start treating memory cards equally
14:26:16funmandamn I was going to do decimal conversions to understand the representation
14:26:17preglowgevaerts: i don't see a reason not to, anyway
14:26:25pixelmaisn't it used for the microSD card info too, not sure that matters
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14:27:14gevaertsDo the ondios use mmc internally too ?
14:27:46preglowyeah
14:27:57preglowmore or less like sd is for sansas
14:32:09*gevaerts decides not to look into all this right now. It's a mess
14:32:25preglowit is...
14:33:31gevaertsI think basically someone needs to go through all of firmware/ to see for what those defines are actually used, and then think of a new set of defines that matches that
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15:11:02xqtftqxHey everybody, i downloaded the rb source
15:11:12xqtftqxand theres no rockboxdev.sh in the tools dir
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15:16:01wpyhxqtftqx: you need to check out the svn trunk for that
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15:18:18xqtftqxOk thanks
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15:23:03funmanhum with svn I can't get wma decoding work properly
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15:23:36funmanI'm using the simulator, and wmav1 outputs complete crap, and wmav2 outputs correct samples but too fast
15:30:33funmanstrange... using different samplerates has no effect.. might be a bug in the container
15:30:57funmanaccording to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecWMA it's supposed to work fine
15:31:45funmanare you using some wma files ? I would appreciate a sample, I generate mines with ffmpeg
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15:39:23saratogawma does work fine, I'm down to just 1 known problem sample
15:39:52saratogathough to be honest i don't think I've ever tried a V1 file, so no promises that it will do anything at all
15:40:27funmanok, then I suppose v2 files are more spread.
15:40:47funmanwhat's the problem with your sample ?
15:41:36saratogai've made something like a dozen fixes and it still clips
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15:42:22saratogai think it was made with a very special encoder, its quite different then all the other wma files people have reported prpblems with
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15:43:21funmanhow does the ffmpeg decoder perform on it ?
15:44:30saratogayou mean encoder?
15:45:07funmannope, if the floating point ffmpeg decoder can decode it properly ^^
15:45:41saratogaoh yeah it can
15:45:45funmanwell I found a sample rockbox can decode.. I will use that one
15:45:54saratogayou have ones it can't?
15:46:09saratogaif they're WMA V2 I want them
15:46:25funmanit can but .. there's something going wrong
15:46:48funmanlike if it was using a wrong samplerate
15:47:05saratogawhat samplerate are they?
15:47:11funmanI tried several
15:47:15funman44100 22050 11025
15:47:18funmanmono / stereo
15:47:30funmanI encode them with some recent ffmpeg
15:47:57saratogaits possible theres some issue with ffmpeg's files, i don't think its widely used so its unlikely anyone would have noticed
15:48:22funmansure, but I can't run windows media player or stuff ;)
15:49:03funmanI'm using ffmpeg r13644 if it matters
15:49:22saratogawell if you've got a V2 file that doesn't work, send it to me and i'll look at it and tell you why
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15:49:55funmando I send you one I did encode with ffmpeg ?
15:50:00funman~6MB
15:50:11funmanwell
15:50:12funman3.1
15:51:43funmanasf stream debug: - codec[0] audio name:"Windows Media Audio V8"
15:51:46funmanOo
15:52:10saratogathats probably a V2 file, no idea why it identifies as coming from the wma8 encoder though if its from ffmpeg
15:52:27funman if(enc->codec_id == CODEC_ID_WMAV2)
15:52:27funman put_str16(pb, "Windows Media Audio V8");
15:52:52funmanmaybe a typo .. or maybe it's the commercial naming
15:54:41funmancan I send you the file by mail ?
15:54:49saratogayeah email is fine
15:55:00saratogamgiacomelli at gmail
15:55:34saratogaif you're going to debug the codec, MS actually provides a bunch of WMA sample files produced with their encoder, I use those for testing
15:55:38funmanI'll cut the first 500k
15:55:55saratogadon't cut it unless you have to
15:56:01saratogahttp://www.mp3-tech.org/tests/wma9/index.html
15:56:09funmansaratoga: I usually rip them from a windows xp install but I have none available
15:56:25funmansaratoga: nothing interesting at the end of the file I guess
15:56:56saratogatesting with ffmpeg isn't the best idea since its based on the ffmpeg decoder, which is itself not 100% complete
15:57:19saratogait also makes very odd choices about how to structure files that the MS decoder does not do
15:58:34funmanyou mean in ASF ?
15:58:34saratogaalso where you the guy asking about assembly and portability the other day?
15:58:40funmannope
15:59:01saratogaweird someone came in the other day asked about wma, and left before I could answer
15:59:05funmanI want to use the fixed point wma decoder in vlc
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15:59:14saratogahe wanted to use it on the PSP
15:59:14funmanstarted working on it yesterday only
15:59:43saratogathe ffmpeg decoder does odd things with the layout of wma frames and deciding which wma feature to use on which files
15:59:53saratogaanyway I need to step out for 30 minutes
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16:00:00funmanthanks for your help
16:00:07funmanI send you the file
16:00:45*funman just notices
16:00:55funmanyou wrote the decoder for gsoc last year, didn't you ?
16:02:19saratogaactually I'll be around for a little while if you have questions about the decoder
16:02:26saratogayeah i wrote a lot of it
16:03:36funmanthe sample is leaving
16:04:05funmanwell I never worked with audio decoding
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16:04:19funmanso I still ignore a lot
16:04:47funmanbut at least I leaned the samples I was trying to use with my custom decoder can't be decoded by the original one, that's a first progress ;)
16:04:52funmanlearned*
16:07:49saratogai've actually got a command line version of the decoder if that would help you debug
16:08:27saratogathough its quite messy and much, much slower so you must not use it in your actual port
16:08:57funmanthat'd be welcome :)
16:09:37funmanmy first goal is write a correct vlc plugin, which uses a correct/or not library (codecs/libwma in this case)
16:09:45funmansecond, fix the library if needed :)
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16:22:30neliel-tu-odersc Xscript version 10.0a - by XCITE - get it at: www.xscript.2ya.com
16:23:20neliel-tu-oderscis there a rockbox version for the sansa fuze?
16:23:46J-23probably no
16:24:16neliel-tu-oderscwhy probably?
16:24:30J-23because I don't know.
16:24:47J-23I checked it at rockbox.org, there is no Fuze port
16:24:55neliel-tu-oderscdamn
16:25:16neliel-tu-oderscrockbox sounds cool
16:26:05saratogafunman: http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/wmadecoder.zip
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16:26:14GodEaterall the models which Rockbox runs on are listed clearly on the front page of www.rockbox.org
16:26:20J-23only C200, E200 and (testing) M200 are supported
16:26:30saratogadoes VLC run on embedded devices?
16:26:33funmansaratoga: thanks
16:26:36funmanyes
16:26:39gevaertsM200 is in development, not testing yet
16:26:46saratogawhich CPUs?
16:27:04funmanarm?
16:27:05J-23Sansa Fuze sounds cool too ;)
16:27:19funmansaratoga: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/28/2151215 I'm working for this company
16:27:33funmanthe one doing the port of vlc to this device
16:27:51funman(I'm at work right now)
16:28:02saratogafunman: the open neuros people have also ported the wma codec to neuros hardware
16:28:03GodEatersaratoga: there's a version at least for the iphone
16:28:27funmansaratoga: I wasn't aware !
16:28:40saratogayou'll be using ARM and C5400 DSP then I presume?
16:29:31J-23Why E200 v2 aren't supported?
16:29:53funmanIt's called something 6446 I presume
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16:31:11saratogawe provide ARM assembly optimized routines where appropriate, so performance should be fairly good on TI hardware, but for best battery life, you may want to use the DSP for various things
16:31:12GodEaterJ-23: because they're not the same as the E200 v1 internally
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16:31:32J-23What's the difference?
16:31:39GodEaterpretty much everything
16:31:39saratogaeverything is different
16:31:40funmansaratoga: The device I got here has no battery :)
16:31:45J-23;/
16:31:50saratogaoh then you won't need to bother
16:31:57GodEaterthe only similarity is the shell all the electronics sit in
16:32:21funmansaratoga: where did you see a wma decoder for neuros CPU ?
16:32:51J-23you should advertise Rockbox and incite people to donate RB :D
16:33:06gevaertsdonate RB ?
16:33:38GodEaterJ-23: donations aren't what drive the project (although people do donate already)
16:33:55funmandevelopers wanted I guess ?
16:33:57saratogafunman: last fall one of their developers asked about it and eventually ported it
16:37:56J-23GodEater: but when project is donated, developers can buy hardware and hack it.
16:38:09saratogai don't think we buy hardware with donations usually
16:38:26peturnot even beer...
16:39:11GodEaterJ-23: yes they can, if they want to - but most don't. Most developers already have more devices than we have ports for.
16:39:31GodEaterthe last thing they'll want to do is give themselves MORE work to do
16:40:09peturwas just going to correct you: 'more devices than they have time for'
16:40:22GodEaterthat too ;)
16:42:10J-23so they can buy unsupported devices and hack them.
16:42:21GodEaterthey already HAVE unsupported devices...
16:42:28J-23ahh...
16:42:29GodEaterwhat they need is TIME, and you can't buy that
16:43:06peturunless we have that much donations so some of us can code rockbox full-time :)
16:43:19J-23so we need to send them to Mars, while traveling in space they will have time to hack players :D
16:43:43GodEaterpetur: doesn't rockbox then become a business, and get itself encumbered with more legal issues ?
16:43:49*petur puts J-23 with both feet on the ground again
16:44:02funmanMaybe with donations you can sponsor physics researchs
16:44:05peturGodEater: probably :/
16:44:12funmanand find a way to extend time perception
16:46:28*GodEater thinks that while a Rockbox port is "up there" on his list of "very difficult things to do", finding a way to extend time is probably somewhat trickier still
16:47:01funman:)
16:48:06GodEaterI am, of course, willing to be proved wrong :)
16:48:51funmanYour 2 last sentences were distant from 10 minutes for me !
16:49:32GodEaterhahaha
16:49:50*GodEater is willing to accept donations for this amazing ability he has discovered
16:54:43*petur fetches a paperclip :/
16:55:47GodEaterH180 locked up again?
16:56:19peturh380... yes
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17:02:09J-23hmm
17:02:58J-23I tried playing music with original firmware and now I think playing right sound channel only is player hardware defect
17:03:08J-23it worked few weeks ago
17:09:36funmansaratoga: good news!
17:09:59funmansaratoga: I can play mono/wmav2 fine with VLC / while rockbox can not play this sample fine
17:10:10funmanso I suppose the bug is in the asf parser
17:10:21funmanand your decoder is fine
17:10:34funmanI'll try to find some time to find the cause
17:12:13saratogafunman: is this the file you sent me?
17:13:49funmanyes
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17:14:16funmanI can play stereo also
17:14:26funmanI have problems with multiple frames in one ASF packet
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17:25:50saratogafunman: i fixed it in my test driver
17:26:12saratogathe problem is that that file has a very large number of payloads per file
17:26:31saratogawhich causes the parser to fail unless you increase the amount of memory allocated
17:26:41funmanis there a worst case ?
17:26:54funmanor is the memory size just guessed out of the wild
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17:29:24saratogajust guessed
17:29:32saratogawe don't have the MS spec so who knows how big it can be
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17:35:25funmanasf2.0 spec is public but unfortunately you can't use it when coding open source
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17:36:21petursince when can't one use a spec?
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17:37:31funmansince the licence you have to accept to read it says you should not publish software which let other people guess what is in the spec
17:37:37funmaneven though they can download it themselves ..
17:38:02funmanof course the police is not gonna check if you have read it or not
17:38:22saratogayes i've been complaining to a everyone in the MS codec group who will listen about that
17:38:40saratogaits quite silly now that they've given away the WMV spec to have ridiculous terms of the asf container
17:38:48saratogabut i guess one hand doesn't know what the others doing
17:38:53funmanmms is also public now
17:39:01funmansaratoga: yep
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17:39:38saratogalinuxstb: whenever you're around I need to ask you about the asf parser
17:39:56funmanit's bugging me also right now :)
17:40:33funmanI have a file with 8 frames (say wma_decode_superframe_init()) in the 3716 bytes ASF packet
17:40:54funmanbut how do I know where in the 3716 bytes the 1st frame end ?
17:41:31funmanapps/codecs/wma.c just seems to not seek and use the same buffer
17:41:32saratogai don't think you can without decoding it
17:41:52funmanonce decoded, I only know how many decoded samples I have
17:43:27saratogaasf packets are time stamped, so generally one seeks by looking for the right asf packet
17:43:52saratogasince the data is huffman coded in the packets, I don't think theres any easy way to associate any given byte with a given wma frame or block
17:44:37saratogaand since wma is a transform codec, each decoded sample can be computed from the contents of more then 1 frame anyway
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17:57:48funmanI must be tired ...
17:58:04funmanI put a DEBUGF() in apps/codecs/wma.c and got nothing
17:58:14funmanto confirm I put an abort() .. and it runs fine :(
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18:03:28funmanthanks for the help saratoga
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18:13:27__Dragon__is there an ape.codec for rockbox?
18:15:12scorche|shyes, but as it requires a lot of resources, you may be better off transcoding to something else
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20:49:22agaffneyI just installed the current sansa e2xx build on my e260, and it "froze" when scanning for FM stations
20:49:36agaffneyit's stuck at 99.75MHz and I can't do anything but turn the screen on when it goes off automatically
20:50:05agaffneythe power button doesn't even seem to work
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20:50:25scorche|shhold it for 15 seconds
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20:50:49agaffneyah, just didn't hold it long enough
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20:50:51scorche|shif it is reproducible, could you submit a bug report?
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20:51:04agaffneyI was holding it for ~10s until the blue light on the ring went off
20:51:09agaffneyabsolutely
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20:52:10agaffneywent past that frequency this time
20:52:19agaffneyjust finished scanning
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21:09:04dokeGood evening everybody
21:09:19dokeI'm having some troubles to read the .lng file to build my own voice pack
21:09:27dokewhat encoding is this file in?
21:09:39dokenano displays very strange signes
21:09:54dokenotpad on windows put the file in some kind of pagination
21:11:23dokeplease?
21:12:10scorche|shthe .lng file is likely not what you are after...have a look at the .lang files
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21:12:29scorche|sh.lng is a binary...
21:12:50dokeawww damn me
21:12:54dokethanks a lot
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21:13:46krazykitdoke, see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles
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21:27:58MTeeHi all
21:32:31wastrelhi
21:32:33wastrelit's friday
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21:35:18MTeewhere's the code for the txt viewer ?
21:36:15PaulJam_MTee: /apps/plugins/viewer.c
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21:41:39MTeePaulJam_:Thanks
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21:46:14MarcGuaymcuelenaere: Is that Creative wiki page of any use? Just wondering if it should stay in the ghost-pile or be made more visible.
21:47:11mcuelenaereMarcGuay: I suppose itsn't of any real use, it's intention was (like I said on the wiki) for a merge of different pages
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21:47:46MarcGuaymcuelenaere: Alright, I'll just leave it be then. Seemed to me like most of the info was on the ZVM page anyway.
21:47:47mcuelenaerebut as the original author stopped maintaining it and I don't see the point of it, I suppose it could be removed
21:47:51mcuelenaereindeed
21:48:12mcuelenaerewell, not all information is there actually
21:48:18mcuelenaerebut it should be all linked from there
21:48:40MarcGuayLooking at buying a broken Zen V Plus to crack open and poke at...
21:49:01mcuelenaere:) shouldn't you first get your c100 running?
21:49:19MarcGuaymcuelenaere: ha... my mild ADD is creeping up...
21:49:54mcuelenaereMarcGuay: ADD? Attention Deficit Disorder?
21:51:55MarcGuaymcuelenaere: Yeah I'm just kidding though...
21:53:12shotofaddsEvening all. I'm having a dopey day and need some help with my ARM code...
21:53:31shotofaddsThis: http://pastebin.ca/1052111 is my current I2S FIQ handler, which works nicely.
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22:08:13shotofaddshmm, where was I? I want to update the code so that registers are only stacked when necessary, ie if more_data is called.
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22:08:55shotofaddsbut, if I include the three commented-out lines, it starts sending data to the FIFO at about 200% speed.
22:09:05shotofaddsI can't figure it out :/
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22:20:05MarcGuayIs it safe to say that the "charger_inserted" method in power-target.c is just checking to see if the USB cable has been inserted?
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22:23:05MTeedoes anyone here use any tools to help you read the code (like Doxygen for example ),or you just open an editor and dig through the code ?
22:23:18__Dragon__is there a video converter that will not cut off part of the video i can use so i can get them on my ipod photo?
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22:24:23MarcGuayMTee: Notepad++ is free and makes things very readable.
22:24:30BigBambi__Dragon__: see www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer
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22:25:10MarcGuayMTee: If you mean step-debugging I don't know of any. Unfamiliar with Doxygen.
22:26:52MTeeMarcGuay : I'm not familiar with Doxygen either .. I was just asking to see if there's such a tool, checking notepad++ now/
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22:29:32__Dragon__<BigBambi> but will it cut off part of the video or will it resize it?
22:30:14BigBambiThere are various options on that page that will transcode and resize
22:30:22BigBambiIf you are using windows I suggest WinFF
22:30:31__Dragon__just installed it
22:31:05__Dragon__i had some problem converting once before; it ended up cutting part of the video
22:31:39BigBambiYou need to select the correct size to convert to
22:32:12*shotofadds hopes someone like amiconn or jhMikeS might see his question in the logs...
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22:35:04mcuelenaereshotofadds: (I'm no expert in this, just trying to help :) ): you're sure this is conform GCC calling standards?
22:35:35mcuelenaeres/):/) :/
22:35:58shotofaddsmcuelenaere: it's using the naked attribute and taking advantage of the extra banked registers in FIQ mode.
22:36:19*gevaerts gets emo-sick from mcuelenaere's typing
22:36:24mcuelenaereyes, but I'm talking about the pcm_callback call
22:36:43mcuelenaeregevaerts: just a little mixup, the second emo wasn't meant
22:36:44shotofaddsthe calls out should be fine - they're copied from the PP driver, and do work in the current version.
22:36:57mcuelenaereah ok, never mind then
22:37:17shotofaddsI just can't work out what would possible cause the behaviour I'm seeing
22:38:37mcuelenaereBTW why would you stack r0-r3 twice? it is only used in the .more_data AFAICS
22:39:57mcuelenaereah never mind, got it
22:40:25__Dragon__it's not working
22:40:31shotofaddsyeah, the idea is to remove the top-and-tail ones
22:41:25mcuelenaereshotofadds: you mean the first line and the one before "subs pc, lr, #4" or the other?
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22:42:04__Dragon__blah that program doesn't work -.-
22:42:24shotofaddsmcuelenaere: what you said :)
22:42:39shotofaddsthat way nothing is stacked unless more_data is called
22:43:12mcuelenaereah yes, I was just a bit confused
22:43:17*Bagder salutes committer #63
22:43:55pixelmayay! :)
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22:44:26*MarcGuay bows
22:44:32scorche|shthat was a short trial period on the ML...i ahdnt even noticed the mails )
22:44:33scorche|sh:)
22:44:45MarcGuayThanks folks.
22:44:57scorche|shMarcGuay: eventful week for you :)
22:45:19MarcGuayscorche: I go back to work on Monday.
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22:45:33mcuelenaereMarcGuay: congrats! (BTW is it Marg or Marc?)
22:45:45MarcGuayAsk Badger. ;)
22:46:02*Bagder looks innocent and whistles
22:46:03MarcGuayZing.
22:46:23Bagderalcohol doesn't affet me. noooo
22:46:24MarcGuaymcuelenaere: It's Marc.
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22:46:30Bagderhaha can't even spell
22:46:50scorche|shBaGDer: didnt notice ;)
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22:49:08pixelmasomeone with a colour display Ipod around who could help me out real quick finding out the controls so I can describe them in the manual? Easiest if one could just try, the wheel position controls are not simulated and I can't figure out whether they completely override the ususal button defines (which are there too)
22:49:21pixelmain Rockboy...
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23:03:21mcuelenaerewhy doesn't the wiki allow you linking to %ATTACHURL%/some_html_page.htm ? ( returns with http://www.rockbox.org/nospam.html )
23:04:25pixelmayou just want to link to another site?
23:04:38mcuelenaereno, %ATTACHURL% means it is an uploaded file
23:04:47BigBambiI'm just updating the stats plugin to include recently added music files - what are people's thoughts on it also displaying video and image files?
23:04:47mcuelenaereattached*
23:05:36mcuelenaerepixelma: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OndaVX747 (see "VX747writer's workflow is like this:" )
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23:24:38pixelmano-one with a colour display Ipod around
23:25:03gevaertspixelma: I'll get mine
23:25:20pixelmanice, thanks
23:27:11*gevaerts updates it first. r17188 is probably too old
23:27:24*bluebrother has some basic system info dialog for rbutil working
23:27:53pixelmagevaerts: that shouldn't matter for the Rockboy controls
23:28:16gevaertsok. I've never used rockboy before. I guess I'll need some kind of rom ?
23:28:36pixelmayeah...
23:29:21BigBambibluebrother: just for displaying system info, or for pointing out e.g. if people don't have sufficient rights
23:29:23BigBambi+?
23:29:43bluebrotherthe latter. Otherwise it would be pointless ;-)
23:29:52bluebrotherand for debugging with some additional stuff.
23:29:52BigBambiI was guessing so?
23:30:00BigBambis/?/:)
23:30:25BigBambiNice work - could save a good few conversations here + forum
23:36:09bluebrotherBigBambi: shot here: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutil-sysinfo.jpg
23:36:39BigBambibluebrother: excellent :)
23:36:55bluebrotherit's w32 only, but that doesn't keep me away from finishing it ;-)
23:37:05bluebrotherany idea what system information else would be good?
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23:37:24BigBambiIt will be nice to be able to say "do you have admin rights" "I don't know" "Click on sysinfo" :)
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23:37:57BigBambibluebrother: will it use it automatically if you try to write a e.g. Ipod bootloader without sufficient rights?
23:38:54bluebrotherno, not yet. My initial idea is to have it in the menu and if people have problems with rbutil ask them to post the sysinfo output somewhere.
23:39:11BigBambicertainly a fine start
23:39:24bluebrotherextending it is always possible ;-)
23:39:32BigBambiIs it possible to translate the VID and PID into known device names?
23:39:37bluebrotherbut I should also finish my bootloader install rework.
23:39:54bluebrothertheoretically yes. But I don't know how I can do that using w32api
23:39:57BigBambiSo that we don't need to check a look up table manually to see if they have connected correctly
23:40:15BigBambiperhaps internally in rbutil?
23:40:41BigBambiSo we know that an ipod colour has xxx and yyy and rbutil does a translation?
23:40:43bluebrotherhmm. Would be an option. But OTOH I'd like it better to grab the description from the device itself.
23:40:55bluebrothernot all players have unique PIDs
23:41:08BigBambiOK
23:41:12bluebrotherand I'd prefer to not maintain another list.
23:41:35BigBambiIt would still help to check that there was e.g. an ipod connected at all and not just a usb keyboard for example
23:41:48bluebrothersansa and ipods (I guess the most problematic users) aren't detected using PIDs anyway.
23:41:53BigBambiOK
23:42:04BigBambiyes, as they need admin/root for raw disk access
23:42:16bluebrotherI agree. But for now I'm fine with the current PID display.
23:42:17BigBambiin that case, not much point
23:42:25BigBambiyep
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