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#rockbox log for 2008-06-23

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00:11:34shotofaddsscorche: no idea, I've never seen one...
00:11:57scorcheshotofadds: oh...i thought you were the one to talk to about it...sorry :)
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00:27:19xqtftqxGuys quick question, how do i tell a plugin to turn off the backlight
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03:59:54wpyhBuschel: guess I'll have to retract my "prediction" about codec optimization not gaining much battery life
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04:01:12wpyhBuschel: I've tested a run by looping Hotel California (~ 6 min) at 320kbps CBR, and RB gets only about 16-20 hours. not sure of the exact number because I forgot to run battery_bench
04:01:44wpyhBuschel: I'll test it again, but this time with the OF first so I know how long I should expect battery to last
04:02:14wpyhBuschel: this test eliminates the disk activity (except for initial buffering), so we can compare just the codec
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04:12:04low_lightscorche: sa9200 buttons are a hack to get minimal use out of the 3 physical buttons. For now, you can rely on the hardware power off: hold the the power switch down for ~15 sec.
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04:18:25scorche|shlow_light: yes...i did that after a bit of playing around :)
04:18:50scorche|shthanks, though
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04:56:35MarcGuayJdGordon: Did you test r17757? The behavior hasn't changed on the e200.
04:57:35JdGordontry in a sec...
04:57:58JdGordonFOR_NB_SCREENS() doesnt expand to a proper loop on single screen targets which i forgot :p
04:58:01MarcGuayMake sure fade on pause/play/stop/whatever is ON.
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04:58:50MarcGuayThanks for the tip on the nextdir action by the way, gonna investigate tomorrow.
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05:04:04MarcGuayJdGordon: Lookin' good.
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06:50:03wpyhhi
06:50:23wpyhI'm looking for a program/function like 'less' that can display text
06:50:36wpyhin firmware/ or apps/lib/ of course
06:50:38wpyhis there any?
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06:50:57wpyhI'm asking, because I think this can potentially be used to unify the help messages for the games
06:51:29wpyhI've looked at the code in Solitaire, but if there's a better, more generic approach already in svn, I would like to use it instead of reinventing
06:52:29JdGordonwpyh: we dont really have anything like that... I could see it being useful thouhg
06:53:04JdGordonmaybe a very stripped down version of the text viewer plugin....
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06:53:10wpyhin that case, I'll try to extract the code from solitaire
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06:53:29wpyhJdGordon: you mean the text editor?
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06:53:50JdGordonno... viewer.rock
06:54:36wpyhuh... I don't seem to see it in my nano
06:55:12JdGordonits a viewer... you cant run it by itself...
06:55:19JdGordonselect a .txt and run it
06:55:20wpyhoh :p
06:55:24wpyhok
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06:56:06wpyhok
06:56:08wpyhit's quite good
06:56:16wpyhbut I want to be able to scroll by line, not by page
06:56:29wpyhthe solitaire help page for example, it can scroll by the line
06:56:38JdGordonthat rock has heaps of options... one of them does that
06:56:52JdGordonyou'd want a stripped down version for what you want....
06:56:54*JdGordon bbl
06:57:05wpyhok, great! :)
06:57:11wpyhthis is what I want
06:57:17wpyhthanks, JdGordon
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07:15:00wpyhreading the viewer.c source, I think what we need is a _heavily stripped down_ version of it
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07:33:17elfollo
07:33:39elfoabout to buy iAudio X5 and install rockbox on it :)
07:35:24amiconnwpyh: [04:02:14] <wpyh> Buschel: this test eliminates the disk activity (except for initial buffering), so we can compare just the codec <== It doesn't
07:35:43amiconnRockbox buffering works a bit different of what you might think
07:36:07elfois there a "theme gallery" somewhere?
07:36:10amiconnIt always uses the complete buffer, but otoh isn't aware of "shortcuts"
07:36:17elfoor a theme howto
07:36:27JdGordonelfo: the wiki
07:36:41JdGordonamiconn: that should work if repeat one is set though shouldnt it?
07:36:44elfoquite disorientating that wiki
07:37:03amiconnSo if you make a playlist containing just a single song and have repeat enabled, it will buffer that same song as often as it fits into the buffer, and rebuffer if the buffer is consumed
07:37:06amiconnJdGordon: nope
07:37:30elfodocsIndex sounds cool
07:38:18JdGordonamiconn: hmm... I thought repeat one was clever? setting a-b mode witht he points at either end of the track would work though?
07:38:48amiconnI won't expect it either
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07:39:31amiconnI'm 100% sure this behaviour applies both to the hwcodec engine and the old swcodec engine. I'm not 100% sure about the MoB engine, but sincerely doubt it behaves different
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07:39:53elfoblackGlass v2 is awesome (and featuring Bob Marley, too)
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07:43:55amiconnJdGordon: This behaviour is mostly an effect of modularisation, and not easily changeable. The playlist code handles the playlist, and the playback engine doesn't know that the next track to be buffered is actually the same as the current one
07:44:54JdGordonyeah, OK... I thought there was special caseing for ab mode though... rep one doing that makes sense
07:45:49amiconnAB repeat is an addon that watches song positions, and sends appropriate skip/seek calls
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07:46:19amiconnI don't think it's worth chaning the behaviour (unless it can be made with *little* effort)
07:46:36amiconnPlaying the very same song ad nauseum isn't exactly a typical usage case imo
07:49:00JdGordonyeah... If they really want to test this it could probably be done in a plugin... assuming plugins have/could have access to the codecs
07:59:22amiconnWell, test_codec does contain an appropriate mechanism
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08:05:55*JdGordon hoping for green... so cbf with more oops commits :p
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08:12:46JdGordonso much for that then :p
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08:24:34pondlifeJdGordon: You about to scrap %m too?
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08:25:16JdGordonnot sure.. waiting to see what the damage from that commit is... the patch is ready to go iirc (apart from fixing the included wps's)
08:25:41pondlifeAh, ok. The WPSes (or whatever the plural is)...
08:25:44pondlife;)
08:26:36*JdGordon needs to edit some wiki pages now :(
08:26:56pondlifeI'd suggest getting %m kicked out asap though.
08:27:52pondlifeI mean, before other people start updating WPSes on the wiki etc.
08:28:12JdGordonyeah,...
08:28:42JdGordonwould be nice to get the new themes site up to coincide with that comit
08:28:54pondlifeIndeed, but unlikely
08:29:22pondlifeBetter to get the two commits in (with all the included WPSes), then people can start work in anger.
08:29:25JdGordonmaybe on the weekend?
08:29:57JdGordonthat was to the site going live... not to the %m commit...
08:30:43scorche|shyou would have to talk with linuxstb with that, but i think it might be a number of weeks away until he can work on it
08:31:21JdGordonhmm.. just checked, he isnt going to devcon... maybe someone else there can have a look at it
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08:51:05*JdGordon has 3 cabbie wps to fix then will probably commit it
08:51:39JdGordondunno why its letting it load a .wps which still has the %m tag though, even it is being ignored
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09:13:41JdGordondoes anyone know of any wps which has bitmaps and still uses the regular statusbar?
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09:16:30pixelmaJdGordon: hi, did you read my comment in FS #9051? Did you have a look at the other shipped WPSs that use %pb only or without specifying a y-position?
09:16:52JdGordonyes, that was addressed in my last comment in 9027
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09:17:25JdGordonbassically... its fixed again... %pb uses up a text line again
09:17:38pixelmaok, will have a look soon
09:25:33JdGordonwhich remote is 128x64x1?
09:25:43JdGordons/remote/target
09:26:47pixelmathe Iriver remotes and the ifp and the Logik Dax (I believe)
09:27:19pixelmaand the c100 is 128x64 but colour IIRC
09:27:36B4gdermrobe 100?
09:27:45*B4gder can't remember
09:27:47JdGordonta
09:27:56pixelmano, that one is 160x128 monochrome (red on black)
09:27:58JdGordonthe iriver remote is the one i was thinking of
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09:37:02pixelmaJdGordon: looking at your latest commit - you didn't seem to have read my edit in the comment...
09:37:36JdGordonwhich is why I dont like edits...
09:38:28JdGordonoh, about the -?
09:38:38pixelmalearned that now too...
09:39:05pixelmano, for now I meant the small "bug" in the 160x128x2 cabbiev2 (seems to only be there)
09:39:29Chrononcd #rockbox-community
09:39:41Chrononoops.
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09:40:08pixelmaJdGordon: it defines a conditional viewport for the playback time info line which makes it only show if AA is present (last line)
09:40:09JdGordonpixelma: have you tried it with svn yet? there was a problem because the fonts was loaded after the wps which caused that issue... should be fine now
09:40:33pixelmacurrently compiling
09:45:43JdGordonah yes, fixed.. just refixing the nano cabbie and ill commit
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10:10:15*JdGordon hates editing the wiki
10:11:53pixelmayou could update the manual instead ;)
10:12:10*JdGordon runs away screaming
10:12:16JdGordonis the wps syntax in the manual?
10:12:24pixelmayes
10:12:54JdGordonwould be nice if it could be ripped from the wiki (or vice verca)
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10:44:48JdGordonmoron alert! http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17348.new;topicseen#new
10:45:09JdGordon'm using a simulator from rashers rb page. Says the date it has been updated last is 22.06.2008 Is my code wrong or is the sim outdated?
10:45:14JdGordongrr!
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11:42:19jeaniushello?
11:42:40peturhello..hello..he
11:43:27jeaniusha ha hai
11:43:42jeaniusI just got rockbox installed on my baby 1g nano
11:44:05jeaniusand I'm wondering what's the best way to transfer songs to it is
11:44:10jeaniusor to manage them
11:44:17jeaniusjust create a music folder under the root?
11:44:22jeaniuswhat would you do
11:44:52peturif you no longer want to use the original firmware, just drag/drop your files on it
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11:45:27jeaniusI don't think I'll ever go back to apple firmware
11:45:29peturI only use the file browser (no database) and have my music as /music/A/artist/album/song.mp3
11:45:54jeaniuswell how big is your ipod
11:46:05gevaertswhat ipod ?
11:46:12jeaniusor your mp3 player
11:46:14jeanius(:
11:46:25jeaniuswhat's an ipod?
11:46:55jeaniusmy player is only 4gb so I don't think I need to create folders for each alphabetical letters
11:47:13peturno ipod, an iriver with 80GB
11:47:36gevaertsHow you organize things really depends on how you use it
11:47:37peturhas all my music on it so it needs some structure ;)
11:47:51petur-= freedom =- ;)
11:48:46jeaniuswhat kind of cups do you use?
11:49:02peturbig ones
11:49:19GodEatercups ???
11:49:44*petur has a big blue cup with 'rockbox' on it :)
11:49:53B4gderrobo-cups!
11:50:22jeaniuslies
11:50:26*GodEater has one of those cups too
11:50:33GodEatermore of a mug really
11:50:34jeaniusI'm sporting shure scl4's
11:50:42*JdGordon 's bloody nephew broke his rockbox mug :(
11:51:04GodEatersince when did "cups" become synonymous with "headphones" ?
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11:56:51DozerHi guys, I was wondering if someone could give me a hand getting my Rockbox'd ipod mini to play with wmp11? I'm trying to just get it to recognise it as mass storage so I can copy music to it that way.
11:57:07DozerPlease :)
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12:00:18peturdoes it show up as a drive leter?
12:01:12DozerOn the PC yes.
12:01:32DozerIt's recognised as mass storage, just not in WMP.
12:01:43DozerAnd not in the devices section of the options menu in wmp
12:01:44peturso you want wmp support? that's OT here
12:07:29DozerNot support, it's already a mass storage device, just wmp's not recognising it as such. If you don't know how to force it to act purely as mass storage within windows that's ok.
12:07:54DozerActually, maybe I can force it to use only mass storage drivers instead of the auto updated ipod ones...
12:09:17jeaniusuhh
12:09:23jeaniusrestart WMP?
12:09:25jeaniusrefresh?
12:09:57Dozer:D, I've been trying to get it to work for a couple of days, I've tried that.
12:10:36DozerBy default wmp doesn't want to recognise it as ipods not officially supported by it. But as I can just copy music with drag and drop with rockbox it should work ok if it just sees it.
12:11:06pixelmayou're really better off searching for a wmp forum or help channel....
12:12:31DozerK. Ta.
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12:18:05jeaniustry different version of WMP?
12:18:20jeaniusdoes it recognize your USB drive?
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12:19:52jeaniusgood morning guys
12:20:02jeaniusI'm going to try to get few hours of sleep before my day begins
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14:26:48*MarcGuay ain't so smartz. The %pb parameters got switched around....
14:30:14JdGordonno, they were made sane and consistant with the other tags
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14:33:03MarcGuayJdGordon: Indeed. Good idea in the long run, bad for brainz in the short. :)
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14:33:28JdGordonuse my script to convert old WPS if thats what your doing..
14:34:31MarcGuayJdGordon: Yeah I'm a sucker for punishment, taking the hard road.
14:34:39JdGordonhas anyone noticed any wierdness with svn and wps? or still too early?
14:34:57LambdaCalculus37Haven't updated my beast yet, so can't tell ya.
14:35:58MarcGuayJdGordon: Just updated a progress bar and it seems fine so far.
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14:36:35LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Good morning! Got to test the new conditional viewports from JdGordon's last commit?
14:37:56MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: Haven't messed with the viewports yet, just the progress bar... Feeling better?
14:38:46LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Yep. Drank tea, rested, and went hunting for that last LCD corruption bug on the 4G iPod color.
14:39:54MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: Way to keep it on-topic. :)
14:40:04*LambdaCalculus37 really would like some other 4G iPod color owners to step up and give him a few HW revision numbers, and test the patches when they're on FS
14:40:42LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: :)
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14:41:32LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: That LCD corruption bug has been bothering me since I first ran into it.
14:42:06LambdaCalculus37The big problem is hardware revisions, it seems.
14:42:28LambdaCalculus37The build works on certain revisions (type 1 LCDs), but not others (certain type 0 LCDs).
14:43:34J-23Whar can I do with LCD visibility in sun?
14:43:37J-23what*
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15:03:44JdGordondoes anyone have any thoughts on the event system? specifically... where should event ID's be defined for a apps/ layer event?
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15:14:55wpyhamiconn: I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. In that case, we'll have to find other ways to test just *purely* the codec, or fix the buffering code in RB so that it won't reread the same file again.
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15:18:11wpyhamiconn: I haven't looked at the code yet, but the right way would be to buffer any (music) file we open for playing. Then if we want to play the song again, we can just refer to the buffer instead of reading from disk again.
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15:19:16wpyhamiconn: reminds me of the (page cache? not sure) algorithm −− the songs that get played the most / the latest stays in the buffer, and older ones get evicted
15:19:31B4gderwpyh: that's simply a special-case we haven't bothered about
15:20:01B4gderI think it also goes for stepping backwards to play songs again
15:20:19wpyhwell, yeah this is actually a special case for now, but as players' memory increase, this will be more common :)
15:21:13B4gderI didn't mean special as in rare
15:21:22B4gderI meant special as in not covered by the code
15:21:25wpyhB4gder: yes, for stepping backwards this is also useful −− I didn't think of this case. But if the buffering/caching algorithm is generic, we don't need to make it a special case (like: if step backwards then try to get the song from the buffer)
15:21:39wpyhoh
15:21:58wpyhanyway, so the code is not doing this right now
15:21:58B4gderI think stepping backwards is a fairly frequent operation
15:22:26wpyhso, how do you think this could be implemented?
15:22:28B4gderand on 32MB systems the current and previous song is very often in the buffer already
15:22:34wpyhyes
15:23:09wpyhI was thinking of an array of song/music file info −− but since we don't have malloc, the array must be statically allocated...
15:23:19B4gderI'm not familiar enough with the code to have a good enough suggestiong on how to modify it
15:23:35wpyhme too −− I have to read the code first :)
15:23:40B4gderarray? the songs and data are already in memory
15:24:27wpyhwell, we need some way to find out whether that song is already in memory, right?
15:24:50JdGordonwpyh: we already have that... even with mob there is still a maximum amount of tracks that can be buffered (even if more would fit in the buffer)
15:25:13B4gderyes, but the buffer code knows or should know how much data we have left behind
15:25:57wpyhJdGordon: what's mob?
15:26:15B4gdermetadata-on-buffer
15:26:17JdGordonmetadata-on-buffer.... dont worry....
15:26:38JdGordonAKA the updated buffereing scheme
15:26:47wpyhoh...
15:27:17wpyhwell, then why does RB reread the same music file from disk (as amiconn said)?
15:27:19B4gder[metadata][song][metadata][song]...
15:28:14JdGordonwpyh: even if the buffer is 32MB... plenty of songs are longer than that..
15:28:25JdGordonis simpler to assume they all are than scpecial casing
15:28:30JdGordonspecial*
15:28:39wpyhuh...
15:28:55B4gderand I'm not so sure the buffering has strict knowledge of what file (name) it buffered
15:29:16wpyh(disclaimer: I haven't read the code) does that mean that RB looks into the buffer for songs next in line, but forgets about it after it's been played?
15:29:25B4gderyes
15:29:47JdGordonwpyh: the playlist and playback/buffereing are handled seperatly
15:29:48wpyhsorry, but that's stup^H^H^H^Hweird
15:29:56wpyhyeah
15:29:58B4gderI disagree
15:30:01wpyhI'm no expert either, but...
15:30:02wpyh:p
15:30:17B4gderthe way to chose the nick song is not the job of the buffering
15:30:21B4gdernext sogn
15:30:25B4gdergrrr
15:30:27JdGordonit might not be the most efficient way, but its certainly not stupid
15:30:47wpyhit could be better
15:30:48wpyh:)
15:30:56JdGordondefine better....
15:30:57*LambdaCalculus37 turns off his Dyslexia Ray so B4gder can type again :)
15:31:10B4gderaaah, thanks. Much better now!
15:31:55wpyhthe definition always changes
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15:32:31wpyhright now, better would be "the player looks for the specified song in the buffer, then if it doesn't find it there look for it in the disk"
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15:32:39wpyhoops, too many "it"s :p
15:33:23JdGordonwpyh: the most common case is that the track is not yet in the buffer.... that would happen 99% of the time (except for benchmarking)... why make the code less readable (and its already pretty bad) to "fix that?
15:33:28B4gdernot just "in the buffer", it should probably be last in the buffer too
15:33:54B4gderplaying A B C and then wanting to play B, it really can't re-use it easily
15:34:24B4gderunless you stepped backwards and thus want both B and C
15:34:26wpyhwell, I guess I have to adjust to the Rockbox Design Principle then...
15:34:39wpyh(I usually program generically)
15:34:41B4gderyou're up to some major redesigning then
15:35:41wpyhyeah, I'm putting it in my (long :O) TODO list
15:35:41*gevaerts doesn't really see what this has to do with generic (or not) programming
15:35:46*pixelma wonders why JdGordon is all in a hurry suddenly... :\
15:36:34JdGordondidnt you get the memo? I'm leaving the project tonight.... have to get the last bits of my horrible patches in before its too late!
15:36:35B4gderwpyh: it's just one of those cases where the current way simply is "good enough" ...
15:37:23wpyhgevaerts: generic: use generic buffering techniques, catch the corner cases well but probably only 30-40% of the code is used 99% of the time; specialized way I see in Rockbox: use specialized buffering, 95% of the code runs well for 99% of the time, but performs badly for 1% of the cases
15:38:17wpyhB4gder: to a degree, I agree with you saying "good enough", especially from code complexity point of view. although I think we can make it better
15:38:40wpyhI guess for the time being I'll test the OF's runtime first then, with different bitrates
15:38:46B4gderI'm quite sure we can always improve things
15:39:13JdGordonwpyh: if thats what we are getting then thats bloody perfect imo...
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15:41:33wpyhwell, we can of course improve things
15:41:57wpyhalthough I'm not so sure what the current focus of RB is −− is it WPS design/engine/etc, or the core of RB itself?
15:42:15JdGordonthey arnt the same thing?
15:42:15wpyhJdGordon: you mean the genericized buffering?
15:42:16B4gder"RB" has no focus
15:42:30JdGordonwpyh: no... "95% of the code runs well for 99% of the time, but performs badly for 1% of the cases"
15:42:54wpyhwell, one is the interface, one is the internals, so they aren't the same thing
15:43:13wpyhB4gder: so.. we can develop all we like? I'm asking because lately the discussion seems to be about the WPS...
15:43:17B4gderwpyh: everyone works on what they feel like working on
15:43:28JdGordonwell.. technically.. buffering is at the same "level" and the gui code
15:43:35B4gderso it differs depending on who has time and what they feel like doing
15:43:55wpyhJdGordon: I'd have to work hard to make sure the code is simple then :p
15:44:28JdGordonif it was simple, understandable, worked and followed the guidlines it would probably be accepted....
15:45:10wpyhB4gder: I don't mind what the others are developing... but since a piece of code / patch has to go through the committers first, I was thinking whether patches to some parts of RB can be accepted more easily, while the other parts won't be changed so patches won't be accepted
15:45:21wpyhJdGordon: thanks, will make a note of it in my TODO
15:45:55B4gderwpyh: I don't think it works like that. We accept patches to any part of the system at any time.
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15:46:28JdGordonwpyh: there are over 80 commiters (dunno how many are actually active currently though).. you only need to find one willing to see your patch in...
15:46:49wpyhOK, then that's good :)
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15:48:16MarcGuayPaulJam_B: Good eye.
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15:50:18JdGordonPaulJam_B: nice spotting there :)
15:53:16PaulJam_BJdGordon: btw, nice that conditional viewports are finally in SVN. thanks.
15:53:37JdGordon:)
15:53:53*JdGordon now has nothing in the works and can get back to trying to pass university
15:56:00pixelmaPaulJam_B: you are now in Berlin? Are you planning on showing up at devcon too?
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16:02:00MarcGuaySince all targets can skip to the next/prev directory using a short+long of the Prev/Next key, is there any reason to maintain the use of a combo?
16:02:12JdGordonits faster
16:02:26MarcGuayBut requires more hands.
16:02:39MarcGuayOne more, to be precise.
16:02:40MarcGuay:)
16:02:55JdGordontrue... doing power+right while driving at 100km/h on the freeway was _fun_
16:03:15*JdGordon didnt even know about the short+long combo untill this morning :p
16:03:40MarcGuayJdGordon: I'm getting a headache doing to /opts in the manual...
16:03:46PaulJam_Bbut the long short combo somehow doesn't work while driving either.
16:03:48JdGordon:)
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16:05:05LloreanI don't like the long-short combo and would like to see it banished.
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16:05:14PaulJam_Bbecause of that i have changed my buttons, so that REC+AB (which are close enough for one finger) do the dirskip.
16:05:15LloreanAt least on players where it's not necessary.
16:05:16MarcGuayNot all targets have \ActionWpsAbSetBNextDir{} , but all targets have the other...
16:05:39MarcGuayLlorean: I prefer it to a combo press.
16:05:47LloreanThe short-long combo has caused me endless trouble when trying to skip then seek.
16:06:45LloreanI don't like "nearly overlapping" controls, and feel it interferes with normal use.
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16:07:55MarcGuayLlorean: I've never had it unintentionally activate, myself, but I see how it could.
16:08:33MarcGuayblb
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16:46:11itchegquestion how does one get a patch commited
16:47:33LambdaCalculus37Did you post it to Flyspray?
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16:49:10itchegnot mine actualy I tested a patch and it works perfectly
16:49:39LambdaCalculus37Which Flyspray entry is it?
16:49:54itcheg8428 I understand it's not high priority
16:51:57itchegit is working and basically no risk so why not
16:52:15LambdaCalculus37That's up to someone with commit access (which I don't have).
16:52:36itchegok was just wondering how these things are decided
16:53:15JdGordonjust needs someone who is interested to give it the ok and commit it
16:53:47itchegwould that be you ;-) ?
16:53:57JdGordonnot at 1am it isnt :D
16:54:22pixelmaI don't know... I think a better keymap would be a better solution
16:54:23itchegheh k, I'm on EST it am here
16:54:51itchegwell with the Ipod there not that many buttons I can't think of a better solution
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16:55:22LambdaCalculus37That patch hasn't been touched in a while. It may have to be updated and resynced against the current SVN trunk.
16:55:56itchegI patched against CVS from a few days ago all went fine
16:56:11LambdaCalculus37CVS?
16:56:18LambdaCalculus37We use SVN now!
16:56:20itchegWOOPS
16:56:27itchegyes svn
16:56:27LambdaCalculus37We've been using it since the start of 2007!
16:56:43JdGordonits a plugin.. its easy for them to stay in sync
16:57:00*LambdaCalculus37 drags itcheg into the current space-time continuum
16:57:27itchegyes there are other projects that still use (believe it or not) CVS
16:57:54LambdaCalculus37itcheg: Well, that's their choice. We chose SVN.
16:58:19LambdaCalculus37Anyway, if someone thinks that the patch is beneficial, then it'll be ok'ed and committed.
16:59:18itcheg8364 also is in synch wit current svn and is usefull to a much wider audience
16:59:19pixelmathe Ipod keymap is very weird there - you can't move up or down, just scroll through the field (and only one direction) but has 3 ways (IIRC) to change the number in the field... I think there is some potential. And btw. the Ondio has less possible actions (one "button" more but no scrollwheel) and has a somewhat sane keymap I think
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17:02:51itchegpixelma you are correct about the three buttons LEFT to decrement SELECT AND RIGHT to increment, this patch changes the SELECT to change direction of the scroll
17:03:48itchegwhile there might be a better way which is totaly different this is a small change and makes things quiete a bit easier
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17:07:32jac0b|wwith the conditional vp's what is the %m tag
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17:09:33Lloreanjac0b|w: Don't use it.
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17:10:04jac0b|wbut what tag is that
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17:10:16LloreanIt doesn't exist any more.
17:10:21LloreanThere is no longer a %m tag.
17:11:19jac0b|wit that the tag for the play icons & hold switch icons
17:11:50LloreanNo.
17:11:59LloreanYou may notice that those are tags such as %mh, not %m
17:13:24LloreanThe wiki page _should_ still be valid and usable, as it's been updated I believe.
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17:45:54kugelJdGordon: hey. Nice commits
17:47:57kugelJdGordon: Regarding your last one: Wouldn't it be better to require the themer to use 0,8 if the statusbar is enabled, and let the statusbar overlap the stuff in the vp if 0,0 is used respectivly? sounds very confusing if 0,0 can be 0,8. Also, what happens if it's 0,1 etc?)
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17:48:50kugelJdGordon: Ah, just see the forum thread. Gonna post that there too
17:53:01LloreanIsn't "0,0" always "the top left of the actually usable area"?
17:53:11LloreanThat makes perfect sense to me.
17:53:41LloreanIf the top left of the total usable area is "0,8" on the screen because the status bar uses the first eight pixels, so what? It's still "0,0" in the "usable" portion of the screen
17:55:02kugelI think 0,0 is the the pixel position of the screen, which makes perfectly sense to me
17:55:34LloreanBut you're wrong, now.
17:55:37LloreanLearn to live with it.
17:55:46gevaertsWhat if the statusbar size changes ?
17:55:50LloreanViewports are, in essence, virtual screens
17:55:55Llorean0,0 is the top left of the viewport.
17:56:21LloreanCoordinates should always be relative to the containing viewport, rather than absolute.
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17:57:20kugelthat's true (e.g. a viewport in a viewport would be relatively to the parent one too).
17:58:51LloreanBasically, I don't understand what you're complaining about.
17:59:06kugelBut IMHO the default viewport is a bit of a special case, and it's not totally clear to everyone, that the default one is effectively smaller due to the statusbar
17:59:06LloreanHis statement is that "the default viewport starts at 0,8 instead of 0,0"
17:59:18LloreanIt shouldn't BE a special case though
17:59:21LloreanWhy treat it as one?
17:59:43LloreanIt's kinda silly saying "we should special case it, so that the status bar can overlap things"
17:59:56kugelI have strong feeling that you're not in a good mood today
17:59:59LloreanAs it stands now, if a WPS doesn't use the bottom 8 pixels of the screen one could use it with or without a status bar safely
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18:00:21LloreanNo, I'm actually in a quite good mood. But you're complaining without thinking again.
18:00:38kugelNo, I don't
18:00:52LloreanYou haven't suggested any problems the current behaviour causes, it allows more flexibility, and yet you're still against it? It makes perfect sense relative to how viewports work everywhere else.
18:00:53kugelJust because I don't think in your ways
18:01:04kugelit doesn't mean I'm not thinking at all
18:01:38kugelI'm not against. I'm open to opinions. That's no reason to be rude to me at all
18:01:58LloreanI wasn't rude to you until you accused me of being in a bad mood.
18:02:15LloreanIf you'd like to get back to discussing the idea rather than our individual flaws, I'm more than happy to.
18:02:29kugelone behavior I though of is, if the user decides to remove the statusbar, the viewport would move 8px up, which is probably unexpected
18:02:44LloreanThat's a good behaviour
18:02:59LloreanIt means that text and image based WPSes that don't use a backdrop behave the same
18:03:06LloreanRather than breaking if the status bar is on or off.
18:03:35kugelJdGordon didn't sound like that he thinks it's a good behavior in his commit comment
18:04:13LloreanSo?
18:04:21LloreanHe possibly didn't think it through fully either.
18:04:30LloreanIt's still entirely possible to have a static fullscreen viewport by simply defining one
18:04:41LloreanMeanwhile the new dynamic fullscreen viewport allows a much greater flexibility in themes.
18:04:45LloreanA net addition of features.
18:05:28LloreanNothing has been lost, something has been gained: Where is the problem?
18:06:28kugelNo problem, I just intended to discuss a bit about this issue (may it be a bad one or not), with JdGordon though
18:06:51B4gderI think 0.0 is the upper left of the viewport
18:07:15B4gderand the status part pushes down the viewport
18:07:23B4gderstatus bar even
18:07:26LloreanWhich is current behaviour, iiuc.
18:07:58kugelSure, but I think most themers don't see the default viewport as a viewport (i.e. they expect the first viewport to be put relativly to the screen dimensions).
18:08:29Lloreankugel: Then they need to learn the difference.
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18:08:35kugelprobably
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18:09:30kugel1 issue I also see is, that the wps is now dependant on the statusbar.
18:09:39LloreanThey always were.
18:09:57LloreanOne big problem, though, was that images were not while text was.
18:10:55B4gderI don't see how either way makes it less dependent on the status bar
18:11:18B4gdereither the status bar gets visible and the rest gets pushed down, or you get them on top of each other
18:11:29LloreanB4gder: I know I could certainly argue this way makes it independent, since now the presence or lack of a status bar should just offset the theme rather than breaking it entirely.
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18:11:45LloreanPreviously it would offset the text, but not the images, causing horrible misalignment.
18:11:56B4gderyeah, that's of course even worse ;-)
18:12:23LloreanNow you would just lose the last 8 pixels of the WPS (or gain an 8-pixel whitespace)
18:12:33kugelHmm, well, I didn't remember the text moving due to the statusbar
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18:13:57Lloreankugel: One of the main reasons the WPS has a tag specifically to force status bar on/off is because WPS were dependent on it being on/off to prevent them from breaking once images were added.
18:14:19kugelIMHO it be nice, if the default viewport would "ignore" the statusbar, i.e. start in the top left of the screen. The statusbar would then overlap anything which is in the first 8 pixel rows
18:14:19LloreanOtherwise WPS could just allow the user to choose.
18:14:43Lloreankugel: What does that _add_ in terms of functionality other than "the option to not be able to see stuff"?
18:15:12kugelbe independant of the statusbar
18:15:40kugelin the means of the statusbar doesn't mess the positions in the wps
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18:15:54pixelmait's always been this way - there's even a comment in the code for the built-in text only default wps - the peakmeters are off screen with enabled statusbar and sysfont on the Archos screens but can be seen if someone chooses to switch off the statusbar globally (it's not in the WPS)
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18:16:22Lloreankugel: That doesn't make any sense. That's not independence, if it's going to hide part of the WPS.
18:16:35LloreanTrue independence would be "leave the last 8 pixels of the WPS blank, so if the status bar is on, you lose nothing"
18:16:43LloreanYou'd have to leave the top 8 blank for a status bar to be optional anyway
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18:19:00kugelLlorean: Yea, true. But this behavior would be more expected (at least by me).
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18:20:07LloreanSo, flexibility should be removed because you don't think people should spend a couple seconds learning the new way?
18:20:07kugelAnyway (to end the discussion), you have some good points. The behaviour now is not bad, even though it might be confusing to users at the beginning (they'll have to learn to live with it)
18:20:11pixelmayou'd expect possibly overlapping text (with other text and/or graphics??
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18:25:14Lloreankugel: If you want a fullscreen viewport that will not move if statusbar is on or off, simply define %V|0|0|-|-|-|-|-|
18:25:22LloreanThe option to have one is still there.
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18:26:09kugelLlorean: huh? there's the 0,0 again. That will move, won't it?
18:26:20LloreanNo
18:26:39LloreanThe default viewport isn't used if you define other viewports.
18:26:40kugelWhy? 0,0 is 0,8(screen position) with the statusbar
18:26:42LloreanHow can it be movied if it's not used?
18:26:50Llorean*moved
18:26:50kugelah, i see
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18:28:52LloreanI think the real problem is just the commit message is probably not as clear on what to expect as it could be.
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18:29:15LloreanI think it really only changes one behaviour: If you don't define any viewports, but do use images, they will be pushed down 8 pixels if the status bar is enabled.
18:29:35LloreanYou can avoid this being a problem by simply forcing it on/off in the WPS anyway
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18:36:29RovanionEvning gents
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18:38:33RovanionI own a cowon a3, and as of that I belive Rockbox is compitable with it. But are you able to output media with rockbox?
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18:39:14LloreanRovanion: Cowon A3 is not listed in the supported players on the front page.
18:39:42RovanioniAudio a3
18:39:46Rovanionsame player
18:39:49Rovaniondifferent names
18:40:04Rovanionahw
18:40:07LambdaCalculus37Not the same player.
18:40:08domonokyRovanion: see frontpage for supported players. !
18:40:08Rovanionnot supported
18:40:13LambdaCalculus37Not by a long shot.
18:40:26Rovanionm3 is supported, not a3
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18:49:25domonokyhow does rockbox store bmp data in memory ? is it already converted to the target screen ? (ie rgb565 or like)
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18:50:08Lloreandomonoky: AFAIK yes, it's done in the load
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19:10:16xqtftqxHey everybody
19:10:51xqtftqxMU{lappy}: You there?
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19:14:36domonokywhat is the "stride" parameter in transparent_bitmap_part in rockbox ? (is it the with of the input Image? )
19:14:56g-roHello. Is there some free hardware (free as in freedom) available for rockbox somewhere? or is any manufacturer producing players that come with rockbox?
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19:16:10domonokyg-ro: to both questions: no, but there is a beginning of a free rockbox player in the wiki (but it is far from ready)
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19:18:10Lloreandomonoky: "stride" is the width of the image, basically. Since it's a stream of data it needs to know when it should drop down and start the next line.
19:18:20LloreanI'm not sure if it's width in bytes, or pixels, or what, though
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19:24:38g-rothanks domonoky, found the page at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPlayer . BuyersGuide seems to indicate that all supported players aren't in production anymore. is that right?
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19:32:47BigBambig-ro: yes
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19:44:45advcomp2019g-ro, there is a few that is being worked on that is still in production tho
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19:47:58OmG2anyone there?
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19:48:31advcomp2019OmG2, yea just ask
19:49:14OmG2anyone have any idea on rockbox work on p2
19:49:24LambdaCalculus37No.
19:49:35LambdaCalculus37Samsung P2?
19:49:35OmG2I saw a page on infomation about P2
19:49:36scorche|shlatest progress would likely be in the forum thread if there is one
19:49:40OmG2yeah
19:49:44OmG2o...
19:49:52xqtftqxyeah
19:49:58LambdaCalculus37Your best info page is here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15267.0
19:50:07OmG2well i think there's all the information for p2 rockbox...
19:50:10OmG2isnt there?
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19:51:56OmG2http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungP2Port
19:52:24OmG2i think all the information is on that url
19:52:45scorche|shdid you have a specific question in mind here?
19:52:54OmG2well
19:53:02OmG2i just wanted to know about the progress...
19:53:18LambdaCalculus37Right now, no one is working on the P2.
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19:53:34OmG2what about D2
19:53:42LambdaCalculus37Still too early for release.
19:53:53OmG2o
19:54:05LambdaCalculus37Sound works, but the filesystem isn't complete (it's read-only), and it's missing some key features.
19:54:09OmG2i hope someone works on p2...
19:54:10OmG2o
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19:54:27LambdaCalculus37OmG2: So I figure that you're not going to be that someone, then?
19:54:49LambdaCalculus37Because ports are done by people who want that port to happen.
19:54:51OmG2im not good w/ those stuff
19:54:57OmG2what do u mean?
19:55:06OmG2everything's there
19:55:20OmG2and there isnt someone who would make it happen?
19:55:46OmG2i dont get what that port means
19:55:53LambdaCalculus37Yes. That "someone" is the owner of the device.
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19:56:15OmG2i have the device
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19:56:26OmG2but have no idea on how to work that out...T_T
19:56:30OmG2,,
19:56:32LambdaCalculus37http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
19:56:54LambdaCalculus37Then I guess you're not going to be seeing Rockbox on the P2, then.
19:57:03OmG2i know someone who's really good at programming
19:57:11OmG2would he help ?
19:57:34OmG2he's just good at computer programming and i dont know if he knows about this kind of stuff
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19:58:10bertrikyou need someone who is very motivated and has a lot of time
19:58:26LambdaCalculus37bertrik: Ahh, you beat me. :P
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20:19:11SETH_HIKARUwhats the link to rockboxes source i need to download 2 specific files
20:19:27SETH_HIKARUand quickly i have to leave
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20:20:00scorche|shtry the "download" page? (unexpected place, i know...)
20:20:16SETH_HIKARUno the rockbox SOURCE CODE
20:20:22scorche|shtry the "download" page? (unexpected place, i know...)
20:20:29*bluebrother discovers screaming nick again :(
20:20:36SETH_HIKARUok
20:21:00bluebrotherplease use sane capitalization.
20:21:02scorche|shbluebrother: apparently SOURCE CODE needed to be screamed too
20:21:41bluebrotherindeed. It's *source* and *code*, that needs to be screamed!
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20:23:29SETH_HIKARUum i dont remember the source code being 16.1 mb i remember it as 243 mb
20:23:43LambdaCalculus37It's compressed.
20:23:47SETH_HIKARUunless the 7z format gets it really small
20:23:58SETH_HIKARUsince its basically all text
20:24:06SETH_HIKARUand i know its compressed
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20:24:49scorche|share you thinking of the VMware image?
20:24:59xqtftqxi think the builds broken without any patchs i get settings.c error ini "settings_apply"
20:25:19*bluebrother wonders what source code the screaming nick is referring to −− rockbox never was that huge ...
20:25:33scorche|shhttp://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi says otherwise (you can always check for errors/warnings here)
20:25:48scorche|shbluebrother: VMware image is my guess
20:26:11bluebrothermight be.
20:26:24SETH_HIKARUhow nig is the doom sourcecode folder supposed it be i had it at 4.2 something now its a little more than half
20:26:26scorche|shxqtftqx: have you rverted all changes and made sure to "make clean"?
20:26:29bertrikxqtftqx, maybe you accidentally modified a source file
20:26:48scorche|shSETH_HIKARU: download it and find out...
20:27:11SETH_HIKARUum i did
20:27:20scorche|shthen what is the issue?
20:27:24SETH_HIKARUwhatever mabye when i patched it i made it bigger
20:27:34SETH_HIKARUhow do i use RAMU
20:27:37xqtftqxnope no modife
20:27:56scorche|shwhat is ramu?
20:28:11SETH_HIKARUthe patches wont show up in there do i have to drag and drop
20:28:13scorche|shxqtftqx: did you revert all changes?
20:28:14SETH_HIKARUomg
20:28:22SETH_HIKARUnobody knows what RAMU IS
20:28:24bluebrotherscorche|sh: I think it was an unofficial installer
20:28:28SETH_HIKARUno
20:28:37SETH_HIKARUit was a patcherbuilder and zipper
20:28:41bluebrotherRamses, the great pharao of ... hmm, what was it?
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20:28:48SETH_HIKARUpatcher, builder, and zipper
20:28:53SETH_HIKARUit did it for you
20:28:59bluebrotherwell, nothing we support at least.
20:29:03scorche|shindeed
20:29:04SETH_HIKARUyes u do
20:29:08bluebrothertherefore, nothing we even need to know about.
20:29:13scorche|shSETH_HIKARU: go bug whoever made it
20:29:16SETH_HIKARUbecause it wouldnt be no your website
20:29:21SETH_HIKARUoh
20:29:22SETH_HIKARUwait
20:29:22*gevaerts wonders what "u" means
20:29:23bluebrotherNO. We DON'T support unofficial stuff.
20:29:27SETH_HIKARUthere was an email
20:29:29pixelmabluebrother: the ounofficial installer was called "RIX" I believe (Rockbox Installer X or so)
20:29:31SETH_HIKARUbut
20:29:36SETH_HIKARUno
20:29:48SETH_HIKARUim not looking for or an installer nor using one
20:29:54scorche|shSETH_HIKARU: you are being seriously spammy...stop and put full thoughts on ONE line please
20:29:57SETH_HIKARUim using a patcher prgram
20:30:01bluebrotherpixelma: ah, right. But wasn't there another one? Anyway, not important −− we have our own official one now ;-)
20:30:18*bluebrother suggests using "patch"
20:30:19SETH_HIKARUwell whats your official one know
20:30:22scorche|shbluebrother: we do?
20:30:35scorche|shSETH_HIKARU: please see the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page
20:30:44bluebrotherscorche|sh: I was referring to an installer :)
20:30:50pixelmaRAMU is some script someone put in the wiki
20:30:56SETH_HIKARUlol no thats complicated and can take a long time to use
20:31:03SETH_HIKARUthis is simpler
20:31:04scorche|shbluebrother: i didnt know we had some sort of installer ;)
20:31:06SETH_HIKARUso goodbye
20:31:08bluebrotheranybody can edit the wiki.
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20:31:18*scorche|sh facepalms
20:31:19bluebrotherright, we only have Rockbox Utility ;-)
20:31:22pixelmapff
20:31:48*scorche|sh wonders wy we get cursed with these individuals
20:32:03*scorche|sh blames doom
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20:32:47bluebrotherwe should remove doom ;-)
20:32:49gevaertsscorche|sh: you have commit access, so you can fix that ;)
20:33:09agaffneyspeaking of doom, why is it there if it doesn't work out of the box? :P
20:33:27agaffneyI tries it last night and was disappointed when I saw the error about a missing WAD file
20:33:43pixelmayeah, would make a nice first nice commit... ;)
20:33:43scorche|shagaffney: neither does pacbox, rockboy, the spectrum emulator, etc
20:33:43agaffneyand yes, I know *why* it isn't there by default
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20:33:46ender`WAD files aren't open source
20:33:56agaffneyI know
20:34:15*scorche|sh edits the wiki
20:34:19*wpyh hopes he's not one of the curse bringers
20:34:23agaffneyI was just excited when I saw it in the menu and then disappointed when it didn't work ;)
20:34:26gevaertsagaffney: the rest also needs files that we don't provide. Things like the audio player part,...
20:34:34agaffneybut I already know *why* it doesn't work
20:34:34wpyhgevaerts: good point ;)
20:34:37agaffneygevaerts: pfft....logic
20:34:40domonokyagaffney: rbutil can install the needed files (only freedoom) :-)
20:34:43agaffneyI'm impervious to it!
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20:36:29bluebrotherdomonoky: I have an interesting problem with the tts configuration: on my freshly installed w2k I can select SAPI5, but as I don't have the speech SDK installed I have no voices around
20:37:37bluebrotherbut I can't close the "configure tts" window −− changing the close() call to hide() makes it work again, but (a) I don't think that's a proper solution and (b) I don't understand why close() doesn't work
20:37:41bluebrotherany idea on this?
20:39:35scorche|shbluebrother: pixelma: now on the devcon adgenda =P
20:41:06*domonoky has to check the code..
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20:45:38MarcGuay_Llorean: Back to the next/prev dir thing, don't you find an equally obnoxious overlapping of functions that the combo press involves the stop button? I'm thinking maybe change it to select+right/left (select and up/down already have precedents)
20:45:59MarcGuay_Llorean: Talking about the e200 specifically here.
20:47:35wpyhbertrik: are you interested in the fonts? I mean those I posted on the tracker
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20:49:12MarcGuay_Llorean: I'm going to try and find a way to add the short-dir/long-dir command to the manuals in the meantime, unless someone convinces me that they're going to be removed out soon. It may not be approved by everyone, but it should still be documented.
20:49:13bertrikwpyh, no, I'm not really interested to be honest, but they look like nice and useful additions
20:49:55wpyhme too, they look like nice additions
20:50:22wpyhthey don't look very well though, so markun is working on a way to make it look better
20:50:36domonokybluebrother: did you try with "this->done()" instead of this->close() ?
20:50:48bluebrotherno. Will try ...
20:50:49wpyhthe big problem is that the chinese text is put too high or too low (can't remember)
20:52:53bluebrotherdoesn't compile −− there is no done() in the class.
20:53:44*bluebrother check assistant
20:54:04domonokyits this->done(int x)
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20:54:25bluebrotherjust found that myself ;-)
20:54:39pixelmaMarcGuay_: welcome aboard the manual crew. Thanks for putting some work into it, especially native speakers are needed... :)
20:55:32MarcGuay_pixelma: Glad to join in!
20:55:40bluebrotherok, that makes it work. But I don't understand why close() doesn't :/
20:56:40domonokythe Qt docs tells that done() also stops the event loop, which we need to, as we call exec() i think..
20:56:51MarcGuay_pixelma: Can I get your opinion on something? I'm trying to document the short-dir/long-dir way of going to the next or prev directory. Unfortunately some players have a combo keypress for this action, while others don't, but ALL players can do the former.
20:57:58bluebrotheraaah :) Found it.
20:58:15bluebrotherbut I'm wondering why it doesn't show that behaviour on linux
20:58:20MarcGuay_pixelma: So the choice is to have double entries for the targets that can have both styles, or leave the ones that can't do a combo undocumented. Unless the \opt is more flexible than I think... Llorean has also voiced the opinion to just remove the short-long keypress altogether...
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20:58:43domonokybluebrother: your new systeminfo is very nice, but it shows me many duplicate usb ids
20:58:52bluebrotheron windows?
20:59:02domonokyjup, windows...
20:59:25bluebrotherinteresting ... it's the same scanning code I use for autodetection.
20:59:37bluebrotherCould the duplicate ID being the host controller or similar?
20:59:41scorche|shLinusN: how is your GSoC project doing?...can eh put up a wiki page?
20:59:54domonokycould be... will test a bit :-)
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21:00:04MarcGuay_Hmmm.. I could do a \nopt...
21:00:22bluebrotherwould be nice if we could add the description from the device, but I don't know how to do that on windows ...
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21:01:24pixelmaMarcGuay_: hmm... hard to tell. I know of other cases (like the "standard ok" button) where there are more ways, both are documented and I'd prefer that slightly
21:01:50MarcGuay_pixelma: It's okay, I think I found a way to do it using the \nopt.
21:02:03MarcGuay_pixelma: Thanks, though.
21:02:40pixelmayeah, \nopt is quite handy sometimes... :)
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21:03:37MarcGuay_pixelma: Another great example of programming language creators thinking they know the best syntax. Just use IF ELSE dammit! :)
21:04:35pixelmawhere would be the fun in it? ;)
21:05:27bluebrotherhow about documenting only the "preferred" combo and putting all others in the appendix?
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21:12:12MarcGuay_pixelma: Question about Latex terms. In the manual/platform files, there seem to be many ways to refer to a device (i.e. e200, SANSA_E200_PAD, sansa)... What's up with that?
21:12:52MarcGuay_pixelma: Are they just groupings? And if so, what's the difference between, in this case, "e200" and "SANSA_E200_PAD"?
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21:15:54pixelmathe e200 is probably not the best example to understand maybe the ondiosp and ondiofm is a better example, they both have the ONDIO_PAD and everytime you reference that you address both, but the ondiofm has some thing the sp does not have (radio, recording) so it's possible to distinguish the too
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21:16:29MarcGuay_pixelma: Gotcha. So in the case of the e200 it doesn't make a difference?
21:16:32pixelmaI think it's basically done the same throughout the code
21:17:09MarcGuay_The section I'm looking at seems to use either reference pretty randomly.
21:17:52domonokybluebrother: to get a readable name for a device on windows, just use the same SetupDiGetDeviceRegistryProperty call with SPDRP_FRIENDLYNAME instead of SPDRP_HARDWAREID... and you have the human readable device name in the buffer..
21:19:32domonokyand my duplicate usb ids is my webcam (ie a multi-function usb-device, so its more devices under the same id.. we should probably strip dublicates out of the list :-)
21:19:43pixelmaMarcGuay_: well, I'd always use the *_PAD if it's about buttons. Imagine the e200 v2 port comes this far and you'd have the button definitions already "in". But maybe there's one or two features that call for a seperate platform file.
21:20:50MarcGuay_pixelma: Ok, that makes sense... I'll try to stick to the formula.
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21:25:06pixelmajust recently I asked myself how to deal with it - in the Rockboy chapter overhaul. There's one thing in the button table - only on greyscale targets you can cycle through the scale modes with the hold switch, but the M5 (greyscale...) and X5 (colour) use the same button pad and so I used "m5"...)
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21:29:18bluebrotherdomonoky: ok, will try that (a bit later −− currently building Qt 4.4 for new static releases ;)
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21:38:08Lloreanbluebrother: I have a small (I think) feature request for RButil
21:38:57LloreanWhen you ask it to install a build to a specific drive, could you have it check the text file and if it doesn't match the build you've asked it to install (for example when you forget to change from "Sansa e200" back to "Gigabeat F" in the settings) prompt for confirmation before agreeing to do it?
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21:40:36Lloreanbluebroth3r: I think you just missed me asking you something.
21:41:15bluebroth3rLlorean: possible. My network connection just dropped
21:41:31Lloreanbluebroth3r: I have a small (I think) feature request for RButil
21:41:33LloreanWhen you ask it to install a build to a specific drive, could you have it check the text file and if it doesn't match the build you've asked it to install (for example when you forget to change from "Sansa e200" back to "Gigabeat F" in the settings) prompt for confirmation before agreeing to do it?
21:43:09bluebroth3rsounds reasonable. I had a similar idea a while back but I only thought of preventing ipodpatcher installing the wrong bootloader
21:43:17bluebroth3r(as it doesn't check that again)
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21:44:12LloreanSeveral times I've accidentally put an e200 build over a Gigabeat build. And it of course still boots, since the old Gigabeat binary isn't overwritten, then nothing really works.
21:44:23LloreanIt's my own forgetting to check, but a confirmation would be neat. :)
21:44:46domonokydoesnt sound too complicated... i will take a try :-)
21:47:26bluebroth3rgreat. Hopefully I can concentrate on the bootloader rework the next days ...
21:48:17LloreanThanks.
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21:56:14micr0c0smso now all the non-text-only wps' need to be updated?
21:56:26micr0c0smi.e. I should wait a week before testing the newest rb ?
21:56:42GodEater_a week ?!?!?!
21:56:43GodEater_hahaha
21:56:52GodEater_it'll be AGES before they're all updated again
21:57:15BigBambiUnless you mean the included ones
21:57:17bluebroth3rwhy not update now and fix your favourite wps? That'd be way faster. There is even a script around to fix them ...
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21:59:20crzyboysterDoes anyone know when the rockbox-themes.org site will be back open for uploading themes?
21:59:30scorche|sh"eventually"
21:59:40micr0c0smmeh, i'll just test it out anyway
21:59:51micr0c0smjust backup my .rockbox dir
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22:00:08micr0c0smand fix themes if i really need to
22:00:16micr0c0smim just lazy
22:00:33crzyboysterAnd when the rockbox-themes.org site is open for uploading again, will the existing wiki galleries be closed down?
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22:01:20xqtftqxguys im telling you the build is broken
22:01:40BigBambixqtftqx: Which build
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22:01:47xqtftqxGigabeat S
22:01:51xqtftqxit wont compile
22:01:59xqtftqxsettings.c error in "settings_apply"
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22:02:17domonokyxqtftqx: did you do a make clean
22:02:27xqtftqxyes
22:03:25Bagderxqtftqx: the build servers have no problems with it
22:03:33BigBambixqtftqx: gigabeat S build compiles fine here
22:04:07xqtftqxim trying it again
22:05:02markunxqtftqx: I can also try it. Normal build?
22:05:05scorche|shxqtftqx: wipe your svn directory and start off fresh
22:05:10xqtftqxYeah normal
22:05:13xqtftqxi did 4 times
22:05:23Bagderhttp://build.rockbox.org/showlog.cgi?date=20080623T182408Z&type=Toshiba%20Gigabeat%20S%20-%20Normal
22:05:25scorche|shand what compilers are you using?
22:05:25Bagderlooks fine
22:05:32xqtftqxarm
22:05:36Bagdereven built on my host ;-)
22:05:38scorche|shversion?
22:05:43xqtftqxlatest
22:05:50markunxqtftqx: can you but the compiler messages in some pastebin?
22:05:50Bagderxqtftqx: and what happens?
22:05:51scorche|shthere is your problem then
22:06:02xqtftqxhold on ill see if it still happens
22:06:15markunscorche|sh: latest version doesn't build?
22:06:16scorche|shwe dont use the latest version of arm-elf-gcc
22:06:29markunah, compiler..
22:06:31xqtftqxwell the one in rockboxdev.sh
22:06:39scorche|shthen why did you say latest?
22:06:46xqtftqxidk, btw it works fine now
22:06:51BigBambiI assume he meant latest build
22:06:58BigBambiWhich is what I assumed from it
22:07:08xqtftqxi dont know why it wasnt working before
22:07:12scorche|shBigBambi: well, i asked what version of his compiler as a followup
22:07:24markunstrange that it didn't work the first 4 times, you must have done something different
22:07:40xqtftqxidk maybe
22:07:45BigBambiscorche|sh: Yeah I know, but I can see the confusion in amongst everything else
22:07:57GodEater_what does idk mean ?
22:07:59*Bagder finally realizes idk actually means something
22:08:10BigBambiGodEater_: I don't know
22:08:30scorche|shBigBambi: then why use it if you dont know?! ;)
22:08:57xqtftqxok guys, im trying to do something see if anybody can help me
22:09:05*BigBambi forsees a humorous circle of misunderstanind :)
22:09:09xqtftqxCan i set the bootloader image to be full screen?
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22:11:08xqtftqxLIke make a new image and make it whole screen
22:11:25markunxqtftqx: I don't see why not
22:11:44bluebrotherunsupported builds for various models did that before ...
22:11:44xqtftqxanybody know how? ive bean trying for a while
22:12:11xqtftqxi know but thats by the custom splash patch which doesnt like the gigabeat S
22:13:39Lloreanxqtftqx: But you can just look at their code to see how they did it.
22:13:55xqtftqxi tryd
22:14:07xqtftqxtried* and it didnt work
22:15:13xqtftqxBrb, gotta fix my gigabeats read only problem
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22:16:35markun"it didn't work" is such a helpful reply
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22:23:22xqtftqxSorry, it whouldnt build correctly
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22:25:29scorche|shwhat did you do?...just copy and paste?
22:25:36LloreanHe's already gone again...
22:25:46scorche|shhe reads logs, apparently
22:25:57markunLlorean: but he can read our reply in mibbit
22:26:25wpyhCan someone please edit FS #9112?
22:26:37wpyhI've opened the task without editing the properties on the left...
22:26:56wpyhit should be "Patches" and the category would be "Build environment"
22:27:06wpyhsorry for the inconvenience
22:27:34markunwpyh: done
22:27:40wpyhmarkun: thanks :0
22:27:42wpyh:)
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22:32:36*domonoky reports: "work done" to Llorean :-)
22:33:26LloreanThanks. :)
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22:37:57bluebrotherdomonoky: that was fast ;-)
22:38:55domonokyit wasnt much, and if know exactly what todo i am a fast coder :-)
22:40:33bluebrotherbtw, I now have that friendly strings −− my error was forgetting that the LPTSTR buffer is in fact a wchar_t in this case.
22:40:47bluebrotherstupid renaming all time
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22:43:25Leardomonoky: But why two different dialogs for what seems to be the same thing? :)
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22:45:12domonokyLear: to fix that, i would have to rework more. :-)
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22:51:16xqtftqxfhttp://pastebin.ca/1054247 will somebody look at that my gigabeat s mounts as read only in linux
22:53:20GodEater_did you mend the partition table ?
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22:53:54xqtftqxfYep
22:54:08stripwaxis this a job for fsck.vfat ?
22:54:16xqtftqxfim doing this now
22:55:50xqtftqxffsck.ext2: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sdb Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program?
22:55:57xqtftqxfi unmounted
22:56:12stripwaxwhat does 'mount' say?
22:56:19stripwaxfsck.ext2 ??
22:56:34xqtftqxfwhoops
22:56:54xqtftqxfCurrently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 255.
22:57:15BigBambi....
22:57:27BigBambiYou don't have a ext2 firlesystem, you have fat32
22:57:32BigBambi*filesystem
22:57:43xqtftqxfi did fsck.vfat
22:58:01BigBambiYou just said you did fsck.ext2
22:58:28stripwaxI think the whoops means fsck.vfat was then tried..
22:58:38BigBambiok
22:58:43BigBambiI'm still confused :)
22:58:49xqtftqxfsame
22:59:03BigBambiI mean I'm confused as to what you have done
23:00
23:00:02xqtftqxfBigBambi: I am to :p
23:00:32stripwaxso did fsck.vfat give you the error about 255 FATs?
23:00:35xqtftqxfok its working
23:00:39xqtftqxffirst or second fat?
23:00:53stripwaxtry both?
23:00:59xqtftqxfno option
23:01:03xqtftqxfjust first or second
23:01:12xqtftqxfFATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ?
23:01:16xqtftqxfand it gives me 2 choices
23:01:38stripwaxyeah.. as in, try one, and then try the other ;-)
23:02:23xqtftqxfLarge number of bad entries 181/183
23:02:26xqtftqxf<_<
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23:03:04xqtftqxfTrunicate to first to 0 bytes and restart
23:03:17xqtftqxfor Trunicate second to 0 bytes
23:03:34stripwaxumm....
23:03:39*stripwax doesn't know :(
23:03:53xqtftqxfeniy minie moe
23:04:36xqtftqxfFixed it thanks guys
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23:04:53stripwaxArgh! "For the logs, can you please say what you did?"
23:04:57*stripwax sighs
23:05:23GodEater_don't waste your breath - he's a pain in the ass!
23:05:28stripwaxha!
23:06:04GodEater_btw - do you require floor space to crash on on the 4th ?
23:11:33 Nick MarcGuay_ is now known as MarcGone (n=chatzill@ip216-239-68-107.vif.net)
23:12:13stripwaxI don't think so, but thanks for the offer! Unless, getting from Wapping to south london is going to prove.. tricky..
23:13:25*stripwax wonders about http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8226?histring=pacbox
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23:16:05stripwaxGodEater_ - buses look good, ta!
23:16:15Pizzahi
23:16:56GodEater_stripwax, cool - weren't sure how far away you lived
23:16:59Pizzaanyone know if rockbox for zune is in dev?
23:17:04GodEater_Pizza, no it's not
23:17:06BigBambino
23:17:09Pizza:(
23:17:36Pizzathanks
23:17:42shotofaddsGodEater_: which end of Wapping high street were you thinking? If I can walk back to Tower Hill or London Bridge that makes things nice and easy for me.
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23:18:11GodEater_shotofadds, I live practically on top of Wapping Tube station
23:18:24GodEater_which of course is shut, but tells you which bit of the street I'm on
23:19:16shotofaddsSure. The bus sounds like a plan :)
23:19:25GodEater_100 goes to Tower Hill
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23:29:58stripwaxok so which of the many z80 emulation cores in rockbox is best?
23:30:21*stripwax figures there must be benefits in unifying the zxbox, pacbox and rockboy cores
23:31:38*shotofadds was thinking similar thoughts.. but has better things to be doing
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23:42:21shotofaddsHmmm, this is iiiiinteresting. If I disable IRAM usage, MP3 decoding goes from 228% to 534% realtime (35.94MHz)
23:42:27shotofadds(on the D2, of course)
23:42:55Bagderoh
23:44:03Bagdernot a small difference either
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23:55:09shotofaddsBagder: yeh, it's a similar story for the other codecs. I think I'll disable IRAM until we understand what the issue is...
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