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#rockbox log for 2008-06-24

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00:04:23SETH_HIKARUim trying very hard to apply a patch
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00:04:29SETH_HIKARUthat really doesnt exist
00:04:53SETH_HIKARUits a gzip viewer
00:05:51SETH_HIKARUand it made a whole bunch of files and i assumed to put them in the gzip viewer folder and i put that folder in the plugins folder so am i doing this right
00:06:56SETH_HIKARUum hello anyone thee
00:07:02SETH_HIKARUhelp here
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00:07:34SETH_HIKARUthat really doesnt exist
00:07:39SETH_HIKARUim trying very hard to apply a patch
00:07:49SETH_HIKARUits a gzip viewer
00:07:58SETH_HIKARUand it made a whole bunch of files and i assumed to put them in the gzip viewer folder and i put that folder in the plugins folder so am i doing this right
00:08:00PaulJamSETH_HIKARU: please don't spam!
00:08:04SETH_HIKARUim not
00:08:09SETH_HIKARUanswe my question
00:09:53PaulJami don't know the answer. and that won't change even if you post your question multiple times.
00:10:11SETH_HIKARUso could u build it for me
00:10:16SETH_HIKARUand see if i did it right
00:10:23pixelmathat kind of attitude won't help you to get an answer, besides I don't know the patch and don't even understand what patch you're talking about
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00:11:20SETH_HIKARUi can provide the link and please will you build this for me to see if i did it right please
00:11:22xqtftqxGuys, it stoped working again
00:12:14agaffneySETH_HIKARU: nobody is going to do it for you
00:12:23agaffneySETH_HIKARU: if you can't build it yourself, use one of the daily builds
00:12:31xqtftqxSeth PM Me
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00:13:51SETH_HIKARUum xqtftqx
00:13:56SETH_HIKARUu there
00:14:04xqtftqxreply to my message
00:14:22SETH_HIKARUi cant on the web client so wanna hold on and ill download mIRC
00:14:35SETH_HIKARUi see
00:14:42SETH_HIKARUits up there
00:23:50stripwaxSETH_HIKARU - to "apply a patch" you need to "set up a developer environment and build from the source code". All the information you need is in the wiki, go read the developer documentation at and
00:24:20pixelmaxqtftqx: about your question (is it even one?). You really need to be more descriptive if you want help, "it" could mean anything and last time you left without saying how you fixed your last problem...
00:24:40stripwaxxqtftqx - yes (please check the irc logs - I asked you a question)
00:25:24LloreanSETH_HIKARU: Please also remember this channel has guidelines, they're linked in the channel topic (the IrcGuidelines page on the Rockbox wiki)
00:25:37xqtftqxIts Wierd, it just happens
00:25:42xqtftqxi dont know why or why not
00:25:45xqtftqxbut i have to go
00:25:45stripwaxxqtftqx - please help us to help you
00:25:51*stripwax shrugs
00:25:53stripwaxoh well
00:26:15xqtftqxill be back in 20 minutes
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00:26:23*stripwax probably won't
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00:37:21xqtftqxOK guys im back
00:38:38xqtftqxWhenever i connect it it appears as normal and its just read only
00:38:56xqtftqxif you look in the logs i posted a pastebin
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00:53:31xqtftqxfsck doesnt do anything
00:54:47xqtftqxNever MInd
00:54:52xqtftqxmounted as root
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01:03:42xqtftqxGuys why isnt the test_disk plugin included?
01:04:13LloreanBecause it's not needed at all by normal users.
01:04:35xqtftqxBut it chould be put into the system menu
01:04:49LloreanIt's a plugin...
01:05:05xqtftqxSo? Cant you link to it in the system menu
01:05:14LloreanThere are very few cases where it's useful, and anyone who's editing disk code and needs to test it can also compile the plugin
01:05:34xqtftqxi guess,
01:07:06xqtftqxIm running it here and how do i exit it?
01:07:35LloreanNo clue
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01:07:45xqtftqxlol, i dont think you can, im just reseting
01:07:47LloreanIt's not really intended to be used unless you know what you're doing, and why you're running it.
01:09:03LloreanI mean, seriously, for all you knew it "tested" the disk by formatting it and then writing to the whole disk or something.
01:09:21LloreanIt's just not good to say "Hey, I'll click that"
01:10:12xqtftqxI guess..
01:10:49xqtftqxJeeze i still cant make the boot logo go full screen
01:11:34LloreanDid you read the code, understand everything it did, then adapt it, or did you just try copying bits?
01:11:49xqtftqxIm looking at the code
01:11:53xqtftqxi understand what it does
01:11:59xqtftqxnot every single bit but most of it
01:13:12LloreanThen maybe you should test different parts of it, see which part fails, then figure out why it fails.
01:13:12xqtftqxWhats the file which tells the DAP to display the logo?
01:13:15LloreanIncremental progress
01:14:20LloreanNo clue.
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01:15:54xqtftqxdoes %s display the version?
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01:16:48xqtftqx lcd_bitmap(rockboxlogo, 0, 10, BMPWIDTH_rockboxlogo, BMPHEIGHT_rockboxlogo);
01:16:52Lloreanxqtftqx: I have no idea where you're talking about.
01:17:07xqtftqxis that it? i think if i change the 10 from a 0 think it will go full screen?
01:17:08Llorean%s in a printf() style statement usually means "a string, also passed as a parameter"
01:17:35LloreanYou might spend some time reading a basic C tutorial and getting more familiar with the language.
01:18:23Lloreanxqtftqx: If you look at the declaration of lcd_bitmap you can find out what the parameters all mean. My guess is that the 0, 10 are X and Y coordinates...
01:18:34LloreanPlease, spend some time investigating the code itself.
01:30:05xqtftqxHa! I found the problem in this patch it forgot a "true" in one of the lines
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02:20:36alleleI was told rockbox plugins are unable to perform division, what about multiplication?
02:23:07LloreanThis is kinda obviously untrue, since the calculator plugin has a division function
02:23:34LloreanWhere did you hear this?
02:23:34scorche|shdivision is just multiplying the inverse anyway
02:24:09scorche|sherrr...wrong choice of words
02:25:20allelenot sure where, the division function in the calculator plugin doesn't use direct division though
02:26:12allelein any case if the multiplication works, then that isn't the problem with what I'm doing
02:26:16LloreanWhat exactly do you mean by direct division?
02:26:25LloreanYou simply asked if it's possible to divide in a plugin...
02:26:32LloreanOr rather, mentioned you'd read it was impossible.
02:26:50LloreanAs it stands, though, it'd be nice to find out where this came from so some clarification can be made
02:27:07allelewell not impossible, but I heard no division function was built into rockbox
02:27:49alleleI mean direct like the calculator just uses /=, in the calculator it uses a recursive call that uses modulus, don't remember it exactly though
02:28:01LloreanWell, that is kinda a division function. And it's built into Rockbox.
02:28:12LloreanOr at least, into a rockbox application.
02:29:20LloreanYou have to remember, these are computers. Somewhere beneath it all, everything is reduced to 1s and 0s and tricks are done to them.
02:29:30LloreanThis is just a case of some of the tricks being more visible than usual.
02:29:58LloreanAre you sure you have no idea where you read that there wasn't one?
02:30:19alleleI think I heard it on this channel
02:30:42alleleits not like I passed the information on
02:31:11LloreanI never suggested you had.
02:31:20LloreanI was asking about who *did* though, so I could maybe fix that.
02:32:10allelenot sure who I heard this from, I could have just misinterpreted what they said as well
02:32:21allelebut I'm afraid I have to go
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03:56:19saratogathe c divison operator works fine in rockbox, its just slow
03:57:05saratogamost if not all of the codecs use it actually, just very sparingly for performance reasons
03:58:03Lloreansaratoga: I was about 80% sure it worked and was just slow, but didn't want to say that without verifying.
03:58:28saratogai think you actually have to have it since its built into c
04:00:11LloreanI kinda expected so, but I'm just not that confident.
04:02:09Shaidis it faster to multiply by a fraction?
04:03:40LloreanShaid: It would be silly if it were.
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04:03:48LloreanI assume it's floating point operations that are slow, in general.
04:04:06ShaidI've heard of stranger things, Llorean.
04:04:31LloreanShaid: But as he said, we use them in codecs, which are pretty highly optimized already
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04:11:24saratogafractions imply floating point numbers, which rockbox can't do in hardware, so they'll always be slower then integer multiplies (which can be done in hardware)
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04:30:36BHSPitLappysaratoga, fractions imply rationals
04:33:17saratogafloats are rationals :)
04:33:29saratogathough i guess you're right you could use fixed types too if you're clever
04:34:25BHSPitLappyback in CS2 we had to write a rational class and some basic accessors/mutators for it
04:34:39BHSPitLappyGCD, rational addition/subtraction/mult./div.
04:34:53BHSPitLappy(for Java, anyway)
04:35:28BHSPitLappyanyway, rationals imply fixed types
04:35:32BHSPitLappyirrationals imply floats
04:36:55JdGordonfloats are irrationals... you cant exaclty express 1/3 in a float
04:39:29wpyhJdGordon: this is off topic, but your statement "floats are irrationals... you cant exaclty express 1/3 in a float" doesn't make sense
04:40:02JdGordonyes it does...
04:40:19JdGordonwell.. it does to me anyway :p
04:40:46JdGordonif floats were rationals then you could express 1/3 exactly...
04:40:57*JdGordon hopes he isnt getting this whole thing backwards
04:41:58LloreanFloats are basically irrational because you're dependent on binary math
04:42:06LloreanBut we like to pretend like they're always rational most of the time.
04:42:40saratogafloats aren't irrational since you can express all of them as fractions
04:42:55saratogahowever, they do not span the entire set of rationals, so there are rationals which are not floats
04:43:42LloreanI suppose that's true since floats always represent a finite number of digits.
04:43:44*wpyh refers to and thinks saratoga has the best explanation
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04:44:18saratogaafterall, the internal floating point representation is [int]*2^n where n is a signed integer
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05:12:20saratogawow a "register at my site and download some random installer" post
05:12:30saratogathat certainly takes nerves
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05:52:56Lloreansaratoga: that forum site is a source of pretty horrible users, if past experience is anything to judge on.
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07:58:01PaulJamDoes anyone else find it weird that now when you have "fade on stop/pause" enabled and stop playback from the WPS, that the pause icon is shown during the fade out?
08:00:04LloreanWell there's not exactly a "fadeout" icon, and people wanted visual feedback that fading had started. I don't know if that's why it does it (I don't remember an explicit change to this end) but it does kill that bird.
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08:21:34wpyhPaulJam & Llorean: when did the behaviour change? I noticed that on my iPod, the pause icon is only displayed when playback has completely paused. It would be nice to have another (possibly animated) icon to show that the song is fading out.
08:22:13LloreanAs I said, I don't remember it being changed, and wasn't aware it had.
08:22:22PaulJamwpyh: r17723
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08:23:43LloreanProbably the best solution would be a blinking pause or stop icon (depending on which status we're fading to) but at least there's now visual feedback the button press was registered.
08:24:04wpyhthanks, my build is still r17705, which is the old behaviour
08:24:30wpyhLlorean: I don't object to that either. But both the old and current behaviours are not so good IMO
08:24:41LloreanThis one's much better than the old.
08:24:48wpyhsince you're the dev here, I think we should follow your design ideas then ;)
08:24:55LloreanBut if you submit a patch improving it further, I'm sure it'd get looked at.
08:25:00wpyhwell I think the current behaviour is better than the old
08:25:39wpyhand frankly I think your solution (of blinking the icon) is easier to implement than mine (another animated icon)
08:25:52wpyhthanks, and this one goes straight to my TODO list
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08:31:27JdGordonPaulJam: that was the requested behaviour... I changed that last week
08:31:37PaulJamblinking could be hard to implement without damaging some existing WPS (for example iCatcher).
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08:32:24LloreanPaulJam: Damaging?
08:32:25PaulJamJdGordon: i was just surprised to see the pause icon when stopping playback. i would have expected to see the stop graphic.
08:33:29JdGordonah, well... close enough for now I think
08:33:40*JdGordon does not like how fading is implemented
08:33:45LloreanJdGordon: Until someone submits a patch, right? :)
08:33:54PaulJamLlorean: the iCatcher WPS for example has no "blank" graphic for the space where the playback status icons are. the backdrop has a pink area at that position if i see it correctly.
08:33:55JdGordonsomething like that
08:34:09LloreanPaulJam: Ah, that can be fixed though.
08:34:18JdGordonfading should be done in the DSP, and handled by playback, not the wos
08:34:36LloreanPaulJam: You could even add one more graphic into the conditional, a "clear" one that it alternates for the blink effect. I think that'd be almost essential for it to work well anyway
08:34:52LinusNJdGordon: it's done like that for historical reasons
08:35:07LinusNback in the archos days
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08:35:30LinusNit's a kludge at best
08:36:01wpyhyes, I think we can use a clear or transparent icon to simulate the blinking
08:36:33PaulJamLlorean: if you add another state to the %mp tag then i would prefer to add a "fading" state, so WPS designer can decide for themselves if they want blinking (via alternating sublines) or a static image.
08:36:35LloreanTransparent is bad. I meant "clear" as in, "that space, cleared"
08:37:27wpyhLlorean: what's the difference? I don't quite get you
08:37:33LloreanPaulJam: Then you'd need at least two more. "Fading to pause" and "Fading to stop", plus alternating sublines don't work within the conditional. You'd technically have a line alternating between two play icons constantly, just so you can alternate for the blink once you're fading.
08:38:01Lloreanwpyh: To clear a space you can also draw the background color over it, or any other "blank" image (in case the background has some sort of placeholder in that area)
08:38:20Lloreanwpyh: The cited problem WAS a backdrop that shouldn't be seen in that area, so you need something to be seen instead of the backdrop
08:38:26JdGordonhas anyone tried putting %Vd in a alternating subline?
08:38:31JdGordonin a conditional
08:38:46wpyhLlorean: oh... ok, I get it now.
08:39:02wpyhWe can use a "hollow" play and pause icons then
08:39:31wpyhfor fade-out, we blink by alternating the "full" and "hollow" play icons
08:39:42wpyhfor fade-in, we blink by alternating the "full" and "hollow" pause icons
08:39:44wpyhhow about that?
08:39:48Lloreanwpyh: They're wps bitmaps. The author can pick...
08:39:54PaulJamLlorean: would it be a problem to have the subline most of the time alternating with the same content? my WPS already does that for the charging animation and i haven't seen any issues.
08:40:09LloreanPaulJam: The more work being done by the WPS, the worse battery life gets.
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08:40:26LloreanAs it is there's already a significant battery life difference on some players between being in the WPS and being in the menu
08:40:58JdGordonthere is?
08:41:19PaulJamJdGordon: i use "%t4%Vda;%?bs<%t4%Vdb|%t0>" in my WPS and it works fine (if that's what you menat).
08:41:46JdGordonPaulJam: ah, yeah, maybe :)
08:42:05wpyhwhich means we just have to provide the mechanism
08:42:21*amiconn didn't see significant differences in battery life caused by the wps, with one notable exception
08:42:41Lloreanamiconn: iirc, buschel did the test?
08:42:53LloreanSo it was on a 5G probably.
08:43:03amiconnIf the wps has peakmeters *and* codec+dsp are almost maxed out, battery life decreases because buffering time increases a lot
08:43:24amiconnHad that on my 2nd Gen with ogg and the old, slow lcd driver
08:45:07amiconnThat, and the fact that the CF mod substantially increases runtime is what makes me think that our disk access is a significant (if not the major) reason of our battery runtime being less than that in the OF on PP502x
08:45:37wpyhamiconn: someone has to work on the DMA hardware for that
08:45:39amiconnPP502x can do ata dma according to the product brief. We need to find out how...
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08:48:12wpyhyeah, that's what we need to do
08:48:23wpyhprobably some hardware expert among us :)
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08:56:00PaulJamLlorean: i don't know how this works internally in the WPS code, but maybe the WPS designers could avoid the alternating-between-identical-content problem by using %t0 in the second subline where appropriate.
08:58:04LloreanI'd be awful surprised if %t within a conditional could change the timing of a line.
08:58:24PaulJamLlorean: it can
08:58:48LloreanSeems odd to me.
08:59:14LloreanStill, seems a bit of an inelegant solution. Lots of WPS code duplication.
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09:19:28markunB4gder: thanks
09:19:44markundifferent colours again?
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09:22:39wpyhBuschel: looping a 7 minute file (320kbps mp3) in the OF of my 80GB iPod Video gets 22 hours of runtime
09:22:52wpyhBuschel: I'll test with other bitrates and see how it correlates
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09:31:24JdGordonamiconn: is 8705 still a problem?
09:37:50JdGordonPaulJam: is 8729 still a problem? just tried your attached zip and config in the h300 sim and seems fine
09:38:12PaulJamJdGordon: i'll check
09:39:35JdGordonarg... pictureflow seems to be fubar :(
09:40:15PaulJamJdGordon: seems to be fixed.
09:41:47PaulJamJdGordon: i was wrong, the problen is still reproducible here (forgot to enable paginated scrolling)
09:43:29JdGordonarg, nuts
09:43:35*JdGordon double checks paginated was enabled
09:45:07JdGordonPaulJam: have you got the folder title enabled?
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09:45:18JdGordon... not that that should change anything...
09:45:50JdGordonanyone else think it would be good to give bascule commit access? he seems to like editing the manual...
09:45:51PaulJamno, the best way to reproduce would be to load the default settings and load the cfg in the folder
09:46:45JdGordonAH! ok, its font dependant
09:46:53LloreanJdGordon: I'm for it.
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09:49:01LloreanI think he believed you.
09:50:30*pixelma wonders whether this was the same person scared away on Saturday...
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10:15:06JdGordonwho knows the pictureflow code?
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10:16:22B4gderJdGordon: nico_p I think did poke on it
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10:31:39JdGordonhow the heck do you get a sorted track listing from tagcache?
10:36:24wpyhabout the file cache
10:36:59wpyhIf I create a playlist with one song and set Repeat to One, then RB will reread the disk every second time
10:37:44wpyhso, at first playback it will read the disk, then for the second playback it won't, then just before the third loop it will reread the disk, for the fourth loop it won't, for the fifth it will, and so on
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11:05:06JdGordonwpyh: depends on the size of the file... it will be buffered as many times as it fits in the buffer
11:14:40SlasheriJdGordon: you can't get it sorted if you apply any filters or clauses (you have to manually sort it then)
11:15:42JdGordonok, so I'm trying to fix pictureflow so the tracklist is in the correct order.... how do i get a track number from the search entry?
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11:16:37JdGordon is the relevant bit
11:18:41SlasheriJdGordon: you can use tagcache_retrieve() for that
11:20:03Slasherior just a moment..
11:20:23Slasherisorry, tagcache_get_numeric
11:21:40Slasherijust give a valid tcs struct of the current search to it and tag_tracknumber as the second parameter
11:21:58JdGordonok, need to add it to the plugin api :(
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11:24:08JdGordonSlasheri: ah, great, thanks
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11:49:45Corsachi there
11:50:48GodEaterCorsac: hi
11:53:17CorsacI have a question about rockbox
11:53:31CorsacI have a (now quite old) rockbox install on my iriver h320
11:53:37Corsacwhich is out of power, kind of
11:53:49CorsacI don't have my AC here, but I do have my usb cable
11:54:10Corsacso I plugged it, it boots, says "battery low", then goes to "Bootloader USB mode"
11:54:26CorsacI wanted to know if there's a way to boot "normal" rockbox
11:54:34Corsacso I can make sure it charges through the usb port
11:54:54GodEaterI'm not quite sure what you're asking
11:55:05GodEaterthe bootloader USB mode allows access to the same file system that "Normal" rockbox does
11:55:53Corsacit appears correctly detected in my linux box
11:56:06GodEaterah sorry, I misread "charges" for "changes"
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11:56:19Corsacbut I would like to boot rockbox so I can access the files, play them, set options etc.
11:56:23GodEaterLinusN would know best if charging through USB works with the USB bootloader mode
11:56:35Corsaccurrently I have the "Bootloader USB mode" printed on the screen
11:56:38Corsacand can't do anything
11:56:55GodEaterwill it boot up enough to go into Rockbox without the USB cable plugged in at first ?
11:57:15Corsacno, it doesn't have any power left, it seems
11:57:34GodEaterthen I think you're out of luck probably
11:57:41GodEatersounds like you need to buy a new battery
11:58:52Corsacwhy so?
11:59:00Corsacmy battery is ok
11:59:13Corsacjust I dont *currently* have any power left, and I don't have my AC cable
11:59:34Corsacso I want to charge it through usb port
12:00:06GodEaterah ok
12:00:09LinusNCorsac: do you have USB charging enabled in the OF?
12:00:37LinusNif so, you can hold REC to boot into the OF, and let it charge
12:00:47unpaidbillrockbox rocks me
12:01:22CorsacOF = OpenFirwmare? :)
12:01:39CorsacI guess the charging is enabled
12:01:45Corsacbecause now it boots without the USB cable
12:01:56Corsac(it says it doesn't have power left, but at least it boots)
12:02:40CorsacI'll let in in bootloader usb mode for a while
12:03:23GodEaterOF = Original Firmware
12:04:02Corsacok thanks
12:04:24Corsacurf, I'm stuck in a loop OF/rockbox ¬¬
12:04:47Corsaca non-charging one :/
12:05:37LinusNcongratulations :-)
12:05:57Corsacthanks /o\
12:06:29LinusNbetter leave it then
12:06:54Corsacwhen I plug it, RB starts, says battery low, then shutdowns
12:07:46Corsac(same goes for OF :) )
12:07:51GodEaterI think by "leave it" LinusN means, stop trying to turn it on, and wait till you can charge it via AC, or you risk deep discharging the battery
12:07:55LinusNtouch luck
12:08:17CorsacGodEater: yep, I understood
12:08:21Corsacno music for today
12:08:32LinusNthat is a major flaw in the bootloader
12:09:11LinusNi'm hoping to be able to do some bootloader work at devcon
12:09:28LinusNwith my shiny new TBLCF BDM interface
12:09:41Corsacit'd be nice if the device could charge without any firmware running ;p
12:10:06LinusNlike the h100 could, those were the days...
12:10:31CorsacI still love my h300
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13:53:52livingdaylightof the players that take rockbox which is the best? i'm looking at an iRiver h10 for example
13:55:03livingdaylightbasically i gotz to have flac so either i buy a Cowan machine, which are very expensive, but apparently the only ones that play flac out of the box, or i get a rockbox compatible machine...
13:55:28B4gderwe only care for rockbox here
13:55:44B4gderand rockbox plays flac fine
13:55:54livingdaylightalso What determines the sound quality is it the make of the machine or rockbox firmware on it that determines sound quality? the former i presume
13:56:06B4gderthe hw
13:56:07pixelmalivingdaylight: depends on your preferences, have you seen the BuyersGuide page in the wiki?
13:56:15livingdaylightpixelma: no
13:56:34livingdaylightB4gder: hw?
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13:58:15livingdaylightso, that brings me back to the first question... Which is the best hardware for rockbox... i'd rather get an iRiver than iPod unless the quality of the latter is superior
13:58:39livingdaylightCowan machines are known for their quality of sound but they are expensive machines
13:58:54B4gderwhat's the best editor? best food? best OS? best music?
13:59:05B4gderbest is highly subjective
13:59:29B4gderimo, sound quality differs very little between modern players
13:59:45B4gderbut then I have tin ears
14:00:40livingdaylightyes, taste is subjective but there are also benchmarks for quality standardization
14:00:58B4gderand they show that sound quality differs very little
14:00:59livingdaylightthere is a clear difference between a 1star and a 5 star hotel
14:01:12livingdaylightB4gder: right, well, that's good news then
14:01:37livingdaylightthats all i'm asking, coz i didn't know that there is no longer much if any difference as you say between players
14:01:37B4gderbut "best player" is a quite a lot more than just sound quality to most people
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14:03:06livingdaylightB4gder: other determining factors in an overall best player would include control pads etc?
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14:03:23B4gderthat would depend entirely on you of course
14:03:54B4gderbut people would probably say controls, storage method, size, weight, how sturdy it is bla bla bla
14:03:59livingdaylightalthough general consensus does seem to be that Cowan do that not as well as iPod for example who seem to do it best. I just don't like Apple as a rule
14:04:42pixelmacolour screen, radio, recording capabilities...
14:04:43B4gderhence the BuyersGuide wiki page...
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14:05:30ThibGI have a Cowon player. It's a bit expensive, but it's nice. The original firmware works fine, and rockbox now plays sound on it \o/
14:05:31livingdaylightyes, looking at it :)
14:05:51B4gderThibG: cowon D2 that is
14:05:55ThibGyeah :)
14:05:58B4gderthe X5 is cowon too
14:06:00livingdaylightThibG: expensive, yes, that's what i find
14:06:39livingdaylightbut i've read a lot of complaints of the Cowan machines not being so good on the control side
14:06:41B4gderand the other iaudio devices
14:07:03ThibGon the control side, the original firmware is very good
14:07:03livingdaylightin London you can hardly find a Cowon machine anymore...
14:07:16livingdaylightapparently they had a lot of problems with them
14:07:45pixelmathe h10 iriver is not much different from the Ipods (it has the same CPU but then most of the h10 models have a radio etc.). The H100s and H300s are quite different
14:08:25pixelmasame or similar
14:09:03Corsach300 rocks <3
14:09:08Corsacwell, when it as battery
14:10:25ThibGWell, now, I see all the things the original firmware don't have: gapless playback, fade-in/fade-out, replaygain...
14:12:00pixelmalivingdaylight: if you want them for playing flac, maybe storage of the stock device is an interesting factor, mods are possible though within limits
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14:13:32livingdaylightpixelma: indeed. flac take up so much more space so storage is a definite factor. I'm looking at an iriver h10 20gb player
14:14:10ThibGthat's the bad point of the D2... storage...
14:14:25B4gdernot if you get a 16GB SD
14:14:32livingdaylighton eBay; just coz i know iRiver's had a good reputation as an mp3 player... i don't know any of the others
14:14:33B4gderthen it'll go beyond the 20gb h10
14:14:41pixelmaThibG: why? Got some cards...
14:14:55livingdaylightbut what does a Cowon d2 cost?
14:15:06ThibGpixelma, B4gder, true, but I haven't :P
14:15:33ThibGabout 250€ when I bought it
14:15:37livingdaylightand what can one pick an iRiver h10 up for these days?
14:16:22B4gderD2 boasts 50 hours run-time, the h10 has perhaps 15
14:16:31B4gderthe D2 is available new, the H10 is not
14:16:36B4gderthe H10 will be MUCH cheaper
14:16:52livingdaylightif money wasn't an issue :D
14:17:06GodEaterthe H10 is probably the player I'd recommend in last place for using with Rockbox mind you =/
14:17:18GodEaterI don't know if others feel the same
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14:17:27livingdaylightGodEater k, that's what i came here to find out
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14:18:14*GodEater thinks the Gigabeat F is probably the highest on his "recommended" list, providing having a radio isn't a must have
14:18:21livingdaylightGodEater why do you feel that to be so?
14:19:01livingdaylightdon't care for radio. or avi just play flac and record would be nice
14:19:04GodEaterH10 runs the same CPU as the ipod, which means no documentation for it, so all the work done on it has been reverse engineering and educated guesses
14:19:40GodEaterI've never actually used one, but I hear they can be a bit tricksy at times
14:19:51GodEaterwhile the Gigabeat F uses a publically documented CPU
14:20:05GodEaterwhich is much much faster than the iPods
14:20:09*livingdaylight has never heard of Gigabeat F
14:20:15GodEatermade by Toshiba
14:20:15*livingdaylight googles
14:20:27GodEateryou'll need to get one from ebay, or a refurb place
14:21:00GodEaterbut until the Gigabeat S came along (still not a mature port, so not recommending it), it was my favourite player of the 5 that I own.
14:22:04pixelmathe F can't record though (or only with a dock and not with Rockbox), right?
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14:22:20GodEaterah yes, also a good point
14:22:29GodEaterrecording is something I never even think about :)
14:23:28pixelmajust mentioned it because livingdaylight said "recording would be nice"
14:23:58livingdaylightGigabyte F Pros — Large hard drive, colour screen   Cons — Sound is very quiet even with decent headphones
14:24:38pixelmabut I still recommend ;)
14:24:58GodEaterI think that con is a complete lie
14:25:05GodEaterI find the Gigabeat more than loud enough
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14:35:26livingdaylightwhere does the iAudio7 come into it?
14:35:39GodEaterthere's no working port for the iAudio 7 yet
14:36:00GodEaterand I think the developer who started it has gone AWOL
14:36:39markunmy Gigabeat F is also very loud
14:37:37GodEaterI don't think I've ever had to come close to max volume on it - it would hurt doesn't have a Gigabyte F
14:39:39MTeelivingdaylight : Giga'beat'
14:40:10livingdaylightooops <gulp>
14:40:50livingdaylightoh, well, Gigabeat neither only skins
14:40:50GodEaterwhere in the UK are you livingdaylight?
14:40:56markunlivingdaylight: maybe this one
14:41:13GodEaterlivingdaylight: there's going to be a small informal Rockbox gathering next Friday in London
14:41:23GodEateryou could come along and have a look at a few players
14:41:34livingdaylightthat might be nice
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14:41:49GodEater4/07 - "The Captain Kidd" in Wapping High Street.
14:41:56livingdaylightpost code?
14:41:56GodEaterI've no idea what time we're getting there yet
14:42:07GodEaterE1W something something something ;)
14:42:17GodEaterit's not far from Tower Bridge
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14:42:43GodEaterE1W 2NE apparently
14:43:27GodEaterI expect we'll be there before then
14:43:41*GodEater is planning on going pretty much straight from work, which will mean about 6:30
14:43:42livingdaylight7ish then?
14:44:12*GodEater is hoping for good weather to take advantage of the beer garden on the river
14:44:25GodEateroh, and bring your own headphones :)
14:44:38GodEaterand enough money to buy all the devs a beer :)
14:44:58*GodEater will have his "will code for beer" sign ready
14:45:25livingdaylightmarkun: thx, i didn't search worldwide
14:46:01GodEaterI bought mine from
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14:46:17GodEaterwas one of the cheapest DAPs I've ever bought, and I've been so pleased with it
14:46:30markunfrom the manual: "The default directory structure that is assumed by some parts of Rockbox (album art searching, WPS missing-tag fallback) is: /ArtistName/AlbumName/*.ext"
14:46:35markunis that really true?
14:46:37GodEatereven including the shipping fee and VAT from Seattle in the US
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14:46:59GodEatermarkun: I don't think so - I wonder where that came from
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14:47:38livingdaylightwow, iAudio7 is smaller than an american express card
14:48:21GodEaterrecent then
14:49:42GodEaterI think Marc hasn't perhaps understood the description on the AlbumArt wiki page
14:50:21GodEaterI've no idea where he's got that WPS thing from though
14:52:56GodEaterI think that's the same seller I got my F40 from :)
14:53:44PaulJamthe cabbiev2 WPS uses the twp parent directories if no tags for artist or album are available. i think that is meant.
14:54:16PaulJam(at least the 220x176 version)
14:54:27GodEaterso that's WPS specific then
14:54:33GodEaterrather than a rule of thumb for the whole of Rockbox
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14:55:34PaulJami think it is a common practice for wps designers to fall back to the dirnames if tags are missing.
14:55:53GodEaterbut you cannot say it's a *rockbox* feature
14:56:06GodEaterthere's nothing that enforces that behaviour on WPS designers
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14:56:46Meis there any way to run rockbox on nano 3rd gen?
14:58:32*GodEater wonders if we should get logbot to automatically reply to questions about latter generation ipods and or the Zune
14:59:01LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Sounds like a good idea.
14:59:27Mehmm maybe its possible to make a ipod game which enables similar funtionality in newer models?
15:00:47GodEatermaybe it is, but so far, no-one has tried
15:01:11LambdaCalculus37If you want to run Rockbox, you're best off buying a compatible model; here's a guide:
15:01:45funmanwhat's the nickname of Michael Giacomelli ?
15:02:11funmanhe didn't put his nick in his source... what a strange guy ...
15:02:48GodEaternot all of us do...
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15:32:21kugelJdGordon: hey, I saw you made a pf commit :) Can you then look into as well?
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15:36:23JdGordonkugel: I dont really see the point of making it configurable
15:37:01kugelJdGordon: the patch does some more, but also explained why I made it configurable
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15:37:49JdGordonah, didnt see the other imrpovements
15:38:10kugel"For people knowing there albums very well hide is the best option. For all others "show at the top" is the best option (imo), since it it doesn't destroy the beautiful reflections of the cover with overlapping album titles."
15:40:10JdGordonwouldnt it make more sense then to just leave it on the top?
15:42:37kugelI think the setting doesn't hurt. And I think hiding the album name is a very valuable option (I mainly use this)
15:43:00JdGordonbugger it... ok, resync it ill commit it
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15:43:07gevaertsAll settings hurt ;)
15:44:09kugelJdGordon: Thanks, I'll do it today or tomorrow. I'm yet waiting for my linux notebook the arrive
15:44:22JdGordongevaerts: not so much in plugins
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15:44:37*JdGordon might not be so happy to commit it tomorow :D
15:45:10kugelok then, let me boot into linux
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15:48:24*gevaerts never uses pictureflow, so he doesn't know how important this setting is. Therefore he shuts up ;)
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15:49:17JdGordonkugel: wanna do 8963 while your syncing it?
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15:50:23kugelJdGordon: Well, I'd surely like to, but I'm not too into tagcache search stuff
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15:51:11JdGordonSlasheri: still round?
15:51:50g-roum... I saw someone recommend the cowon d2 player in the irc history, but can find it neither in the buyers guide, nor the daily built manuals. Does it work ok? Will it be supported at some point?
15:52:09JdGordonits close....
15:52:16JdGordonsound is working which is always a good sign
15:52:27LambdaCalculus37But it's still missing a lot of needed features.
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15:56:05g-rothanks JdGordon, LambdaCalculus37. Judging from experience with other players, what's your guess how long it will take until the player is supported? I'm thinking about buying a new mp3 player, and I'd like one that supports rockbox. (and all the players on the BuyersGuide page are out of production)
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15:56:31krazykitg-ro, it's impossible to say; ports are all different.
15:56:50JdGordonI wouldnt want to guess....
15:56:55LambdaCalculus37You can certainly go ahead and get a D2 if you wish; no one will stop you. :)
15:57:07LambdaCalculus37Besides, you can help us test if you do.
15:57:16LambdaCalculus37We appreciate all feedback.
15:58:06VanCleefhi, I just installed rockbox on my iPod Photo for the first time
15:58:18VanCleefbut all the colors on the player are messed up
15:58:29LambdaCalculus37VanCleef: What SVN revision?
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16:00:01LambdaCalculus37Can you do me a quick favor, and go to System > Debug > View HW Info? Read for me what your HW revision is, and your LCD type.
16:00:43VanCleefHW rev: 0x00060004
16:00:48VanCleefand LCD type: 0
16:01:47LambdaCalculus37VanCleef: I'm working on a small fix for the color corruption on the iPod photos. It should be up on Flyspray (our bug/patch tracker) soon.
16:02:03LambdaCalculus37You also have the same HW rev and LCD type as mine.
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16:02:18LambdaCalculus37So the fixes I have done should work for you, as well.
16:02:37VanCleefok, thanks a lot!
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16:03:06LambdaCalculus37VanCleef: Do pop in once in a while, or read the IRC logs.
16:03:14LambdaCalculus37That way, you'll know when the patch has been posted.
16:04:00LambdaCalculus37I have to fix one more problem before it's ready; the Mpegplayer output is still corrupted, and I'm looking for the values for that to fix them.
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16:11:42kugelJdGordon: your centered track list messes my "move tracklist downwards" up a bit ;)
16:14:23itchegI know threre are more important things going on now but what's the chance of getting a simple patch 8428 commited?
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16:14:43kugelJdGordon: I've noticed a bug
16:14:56JdGordoncourse you have :/
16:15:06kugelJdGordon: The tracklist misses 1 track (and is empty if there's only 1 track in that album)
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16:17:15kugelJdGordon: I can fix it
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16:19:31saratogathe ffmpeg people seem to be making progress on wma pro
16:19:42saratogamaybe we'll get something worth porting to rockbox
16:20:35LambdaCalculus37saratoga: Cool. :)
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16:21:23saratogai'm dying to see how it works
16:21:41markunwma pro is supposed to have a really good quality/bitrate
16:21:58funmanis wma pro what's in HDDVD ?
16:22:18LambdaCalculus37funman: Read what it is here:
16:22:22saratogaHDDVD uses AAC and some other mpeg formats
16:22:42funmanhey saratoga
16:23:04funman'w' 'm' 'a' 'p' aaah :p
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16:24:08funmansaratoga: you told me yesterday you didn't even test your decoder with wmav1 samples, but I see some code present
16:24:28saratogafunman: theres some code for it left over from ffmpeg
16:24:33saratogai ported it but never tested it
16:24:49saratogai don't think wmav1 was ever released into the wild, so there shouldn't be any files for it outside of the ones ffmpeg can create
16:25:05saratoga(which may or may not actually be wmav1 compliant anyway)
16:25:35saratogathe two formats are only trivially different in how they store the bitstream, so i wouldn't be surprised if they work anyway
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16:27:53funmanthe ones ffmpeg creates don't
16:28:13funmanI think I'll remove the leftover code and send you a patch
16:28:23funmanso the next person looking into it will not wonder the same thing
16:28:26saratogai don't see much sense in removing it
16:28:32funmanunless you want to test it one of these days
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16:28:51saratogabetter to just leave it in case you eventually need WMAv1 for whatever reason
16:29:03saratogashould be trivial to fix if ever needed
16:29:31funmanif you can point me to some directions I could have a look - I know jack about decoding
16:30:10saratogathe fp version of the decoder does it find, so I probably just broke something when converting to fixed point
16:30:12funmanexcept what I learned by using this codec into VLC the last week
16:30:39funmanI looked at libavcodec side by side with rockbox
16:30:47saratogaanyway I'd suggest changing as little as possible in the codec, since it will make it harder to merge in improvements later
16:31:50funmandid you consider including your code into ffmpeg upstreame ?
16:32:02saratogayes I put some effort into merging it already
16:32:20saratogabut its difficult to make a dual fixed and fp codec that isn't completely incomprehensible
16:32:57saratogai really like the current ffmpeg wma decoder, its the only readable codec i've ever seen
16:33:35funmanthere's no author in the header
16:33:43saratogawhich header?
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16:34:12saratogayou'll have to dig through the ffmpeg SVN logs to figure that out
16:34:28funmansays fabrice bellard
16:34:41funmanand other people
16:34:54saratogatheres been a lot of people who worked on that codec over the years
16:35:07saratogaits put together piece by piece by reverse engineering the ms binaries
16:35:28saratogaand even now theres still 1 WMA codec feature that doesn't quite work right, though no one ever noticed it
16:36:28funmanI tried putting back the call to pow(), supposing the table was wrong, but had the same effect
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16:36:47funmanI'm testing on intel now, since my ARM devices comes with audio not working ^^
16:38:04saratogathis is for the WMA v1 file?
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16:38:25funman"this" ?
16:38:35saratogathe thing you're looking at pow() for
16:38:45saratogaalso, i would just test on Intel, theres nothing ARM specific about the codec aside from the assembly, and the c versions are equivilent
16:39:14saratogaif i had to guess randomly, I'd say its the renormalization thats only done to wmav1 files after requantization in decode_block
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16:39:28saratogaright before streo coding and imdct
16:40:03funmanonly to wmav2 you mean ?
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16:40:24saratogaits only done to wmav1 files
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16:44:12kugelJdGordon: You said you centered the track list, But "titletxt_y = ((LCD_HEIGHT - albumtxt_h - 10) - (track_count * albumtxt_h))/2;" isn't really centered
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16:52:00funmansaratoga: well I got something..
16:54:47kugelJdGordon: Done,
16:56:47funman- fixed32 tmp = fixsqrt32(itofix32(n4));
16:56:47funman+ fixed32 tmp = fixtoi32(fixsqrt32(itofix32(n4)));
16:57:01funmanI get something that "sounds like" music
16:57:24JdGordonkugel: good, done, your in credits yeah?
16:57:47kugelJdGordon: Sure :P
16:58:34JdGordonthe default is to show the album at the bottom still?
16:59:30kugelZzzZ, firefox still makes comments upon refreshing a tracker page :(
17:00:25kugelJdGordon: feel free to change the default
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17:01:31JdGordonsomething no worky anymore.... its not reading any bitmaps
17:02:12kugelJdGordon: Try deleting the pictureflow folder
17:02:46kugelJdGordon: it's possibly that pf doesn't accept existing bitmap chache due some changes
17:02:57JdGordondone that already... twice
17:03:07JdGordonread_bmp_fd: Bitmap too wide (62465 pixels, max is 220)
17:03:24kugelIt works on my sansa
17:03:42JdGordonthen no albums found...
17:04:22kugelSim is also fine
17:04:49JdGordonim testing in h300 sim
17:05:16JdGordonanyway, 1am here....
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17:06:38saratogafunman: good eye!
17:06:51funmanI just do random changes
17:06:55saratogacalling a fixed precision sqrt on an int is likely to fail
17:06:55funmanI never used fixed point
17:07:36saratogahowever, since n4 is a power of 2, theres a better way to compute the sqrt
17:07:46funmanfixed32 -> do I assume the first 16 bits are the integer part and the other 16 are the decimal part ?
17:07:47saratogai'll commit a proper fix to rockbox, then you can dump the patch if you want it
17:08:25funmanI'm using printf("%d") but that's obviously incorrect ;)
17:09:14saratogatheres a fixtofp function or similar in the zip I sent you the other day
17:09:23saratogacheck in the fixed.c file
17:09:42saratogait gives you the float
17:09:53ygolohcysp рок поле сбоя
17:10:04saratogathat way you can compare to the float version if needed, though hopefully you won't have to do that
17:10:16LambdaCalculus37ygolohcysp: English only, please.
17:10:30saratogahmm actually you're right about the sqrt thing, theres no shorter way to do that
17:10:36saratogai'll commit as is
17:10:58saratogafunman: whats your name?
17:11:13funmanI can't type it properly on this US keyboard
17:11:20funman/whois funman
17:11:27ygolohcysppuis-je parler français?
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17:12:23kugelJdGordon|zzz: well, it even works on my h300 sim
17:13:07fluxhello. I finally received my replacement hd for iriver-hp120, but I'm unable to find hints on what to do after installation: should there be a partition, should it be fat32 or fat16?
17:13:42markunygolohcysp: no, not even french. What's the problem?
17:13:49fluxlambdacalculus37, one partition or no partitions?
17:13:55LambdaCalculus37One partition.
17:13:58fluxthank you
17:14:25saratoga /whois funman
17:14:36saratogais that not an irc command
17:14:45funmanyou have put an extra space in front of it
17:14:47gevaertssaratoga: it gives back a name
17:15:00funmanI'm Rafaël Carré
17:15:09funman(yes, I could use copy and paste....)
17:15:46saratogaok i'm going to commit that as is since i don't have a v1 file to test with
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17:16:35funmanffmpeg -i source -acodec wmav1 test.wva :)
17:16:52saratogahmm svn doesn't like the characters in your name so you're getting anglosized i guess
17:17:05funmanthat's no big deal
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17:18:12fluxaah, finally, my rockbox came back to me. and an updated version, too..
17:18:50funmanint tmp = ... even
17:19:01itchegsaratoga can I convice you to commit a small patch
17:19:13itchegpatch 8428
17:19:14kugelJdGordon|zzz: Good that you didn't that you didn't commit yet, the covers have been a bit too small on a h300
17:20:37saratogaitcheg: i've never used that plugin and I don't have an ipod
17:20:41saratogawhat exactly is that doing?
17:21:55ygolohcyspje ne parle pas Anglais. Mon rocher case n'est pas correctement de travail. pas de jouer des chansons, et aucun écran.
17:22:21funmanI'm french and I can tell you this is coming directly from Google translator :D
17:22:22advcomp2019ygolohcysp, english please
17:22:31funman"rocher case" =
17:22:37funman"rocher case" = "rock box"
17:22:52LambdaCalculus37saratoga: FS #8428 is apparently an improvement for scroll wheel control in the Sudoku plugin.
17:23:25saratogawell yeah i got that, but thats all its doing? seems like something that could have gone in a long time ago
17:24:09LambdaCalculus37All it does is change the select button on iPods to change the scroll direction.
17:25:04ygolohcyspI doont parle pas 'English'
17:25:35markunygolohcysp: well, then most of us can't help you
17:25:47kugelsaratoga, LambdaCalculus37: sounds valuable for e200 to
17:27:35LambdaCalculus37kugel: Want to modify the patch a little bit to work on the e200, then?
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17:28:14ygolohcyspvous êtes tous des gens laids qui pue et s'asseoir à leur ordinateur toute la journée à ne rien faire grossir les crapauds!
17:28:49markunygolohcysp: oui
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17:29:38kugelLambdaCalculus37: well, the scroll wheel does nothing on a e200 in sokoban
17:29:57LambdaCalculus37kugel: I don't have an e200, so I don't know.
17:30:17saratogalinuxstb: ping
17:30:34kugelBut I think it sounds intresting for e.g. rockboxfindskitten (there you move up/down with the wheel and left/right with the left/right keys
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17:32:57ygolohcyspJe quitte ce dieu abandonné site et obtenir une miche de pain français. ou comme je l'appelle, du pain ordinaire.
17:33:05markunMarcGuay: are you sure that some rockbox parts expect music in a artist/album/track structure?
17:33:25itchegsaratoga currently the only way to get to a cell is to scroll through line by line, this patch allows you to change the direction of the scrolling
17:33:41MarcGuaymarkun: That was one of Eddy's notes, I figured he'd done his research. Bad assumption?
17:33:54itchegI tested it and it works perfectly
17:34:07MarcGuaypixelma: Are you going through bascule's patch(es)? :)
17:34:42itchegI was just looking at the patches posted there are plenty of good patches that seem to be ignored... or I guess there isn't enough interest in them
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17:39:03pixelmaMarcGuay: haven't started yet but wanted today in the evening
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17:42:10MarcGuaymarkun: Hmm, perhaps you're right. When a tag is missing and nothing is given as a backup, it doesn't display anything. Maybe he means the included themes?
17:43:14markunI don't know, but I was just a bit surprised by your commit
17:44:07MarcGuaymarkun: I'll double check with bascule and if he can't explain it I'll take it out.
17:45:03markunmaybe it just needs some rephrasing
17:45:10webBot001does anyone speak greek?
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17:55:27kugelMarcGuay: Congratulations on your commit rights! :) You're still lacking a developer cloak though
17:56:23MarcGuaykugel: Thanks... and if I knew what a cloak was I would comment? I'm losing some serious nerd points, I know..
17:57:20peturMarcGuay: it hides your ip address (see /whois MarcGuay)
17:58:04kugelMarcGuay: When someone is /whois'ing you, it shows "MarcGuay <> “MarcGuay”"
17:58:31kugelit should be rather like " MarcGuay <n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/MarcGuay> “MarcGuay”"
17:59:12LambdaCalculus37My /whois doesn't even reveal my proper info. :/
17:59:14MarcGuayNot too concerned about that.
17:59:33kugelMarcGuay: It's very helpful to identify developers imo
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18:39:51CyberdyskinesiaI'm on vacations now, and I would like to help the Cowon D2 port
18:41:47markunCyberdyskinesia: good place to start:
18:42:01Cyberdyskinesiais there some cookie task you could assign me to ?
18:43:00CyberdyskinesiaI'd be interested for example to make the UI more touchpad compliant
18:43:17LambdaCalculus37Work on what you wish.
18:43:24LambdaCalculus37That's how we do things here.
18:43:51LambdaCalculus37You can also read and see what needs to be done.
18:44:02CyberdyskinesiaLambdaCalculus37: okay, but is there already someone working on such thing ?
18:44:35LambdaCalculus37No one is assigned to anything here.
18:44:43LambdaCalculus37We work on what we want to.
18:45:02LambdaCalculus37If you feel that the UI could use some improvements, then by all means, pitch your ideas in.
18:46:09MTeewhat if two persons were working on the same port ?
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18:47:58LambdaCalculus37MTee: Then they talk to each other and figure out who's going to do what.
18:49:02PaulJamphenobitch: no.
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18:54:37Cyberdyskinesiaanother question: I don't have any knowledge in electronics, so I'm not sure if I can help on low-level stuff
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18:55:26Cyberdyskinesiabut is a high level required to do what shotofadds does for instance ?
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19:00:32ZincAlloyhi everybody. I made an improved version of the cabbiev2 wps file. anybody willing to commit it?
19:01:17LambdaCalculus37ZincAlloy: Hey there!
19:01:27LambdaCalculus37What changes did you make?
19:02:05ZincAlloyjust some slight improvements of the h300/ipod color version. text alignments and stuff
19:02:45ZincAlloyeverything's exactly where it's supposed to be now.
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19:05:09ZincAlloyI could also include the new plug icon...
19:06:05ZincAlloyor should we update all targets at once?
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19:07:35LambdaCalculus37ZincAlloy: I think the last time an update to the default theme was done, it was in chunks, rather than all at once.
19:07:40LambdaCalculus37But then again, I could be mistaken. :)
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19:10:33ZincAlloymaybe we should do the wps files one by one and the icons all at once, so they all look the same apart from alignment, which is individual anyway
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19:13:22pixelmaZincAlloy: posted it once (but maybe got lost in different info) - I'd still like to see some remote hold indication
19:14:47ZincAlloyyes.. I forgot about that one... we need two more icons, right? one for remote hold and one for remote + player hold
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19:17:24pixelmawell yes, if you don't want a complete seperate icon for remote hold that is. But I think a combined one would be best too, even had a quick try on an idea I had for it. I need to dig up the file...
19:18:47ZincAlloyI'm for a single icon. making space for an additional icon would be too much of an effort
19:21:11pixelmaI could post the bitmap to the forum thread for discussion once I found it (and am done with some other work here)
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19:24:21Cyberdyskinesiahey I'd like to know: should I consider learning some theorical bits in electronics during summertime ?
19:24:37scorche|shwhy not?
19:24:45scorche|shi dont see what this has to do with rockbox though
19:25:07Cyberdyskinesiaalright :d
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19:26:03Cyberdyskinesiabut what shall I know for example to contribute to the NAND driver ?
19:27:11CyberdyskinesiaI don't understand anything when trying to read some specifications pdf
19:27:20SETH_HIKARUhow do i compile rockbox in VMware
19:27:28SETH_HIKARUis there a link to a page
19:28:03SETH_HIKARUin VMware
19:28:10SETH_HIKARUits also on that page
19:28:29BigBambiOnce you are in VMWare do it as anywhere else
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19:30:30Cyberdyskinesia(I meant datasheets)
19:33:04CyberdyskinesiaI2S, GPIO, ... I'm not too familiar with those things
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19:46:04wpyhok, so I've got a T60 and I looked at the firmware briefly
19:46:30wpyhthe firmware format is _very_ similar to the Meizu firmware
19:46:46wpyhof course, we need to decrypt the firmware using irde first
19:47:04LambdaCalculus37wpyh: Great! :)
19:47:07wpyhthere is a 512 byte header, and then the firmware, and then the resource section
19:47:19LambdaCalculus37wpyh: You know what time it is, right?
19:47:35wpyhLambdaCalculus37: huh?
19:47:52LambdaCalculus37It's time for a new wiki page! :)
19:47:56wpyhbut I don't know how to get the start of the resource section
19:48:04wpyhLambdaCalculus37: oh! :P
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19:48:25wpyhgood idea
19:48:46LambdaCalculus37Call the page "IriverT60Port"... should make it easy for all of us to find.
19:49:14wpyhOK ;)
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19:51:32Strife89Is it at all possible for me to use .XM (sound module) files?
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19:54:43LambdaCalculus37Strife89: I thought FS #8806 played .XM files, but alas, it doesn't. :(
19:55:23Strife89Darn. Do you happen to know of any tools that can convert them to proper .MOD files?
19:55:52LambdaCalculus37Nope. Did you ask the Great Deity of All Knowing, Google?
19:56:01Strife89I did.
19:56:27Strife89But, the two results that appeared worthy produced garbage.
19:57:20LambdaCalculus37Don't know what to tell you, then.
19:58:10LambdaCalculus37My only other idea would be to run them through an app that can dump the sound to WAV files, which you can then transcode to something Rockbox can play.
19:58:21LambdaCalculus37But that's a tale for another channel.
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19:58:57Strife89Yeah, I saw a few of those, but I specifally want .MODs which are generally made to loop.
20:07:10fluxreminds me, can rockbox play sid-files these days? random pages on the web say "yes"?
20:07:59Strife89I wouldn't know. :(
20:08:17Strife89I take it FS #8806 has yet to be comitted?
20:09:00LambdaCalculus37IMHO, FS #8806 should be rewritten as codecs, instead of a viewer plugin.
20:09:02fluxhm, I don't know, but would mikmod support sid?
20:09:22LambdaCalculus37flux: Rockbox already plays SID files.
20:09:41LambdaCalculus37Read this page:
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20:09:46fluxlambdacalculus37, great, so my leeching of HVSC won't be wasted :)
20:10:07fluxobviously took the wrong approach of googling the terms instead of searching the list of supported codecs..
20:10:21Strife89Lamba: Agreed.
20:12:27LambdaCalculus37There's also FS #7331, which adds GBS (Game Boy Sound) playback.
20:12:43LambdaCalculus37But that patch is way too slow on anything but the Gigabeat F/X and S.
20:13:01fluxhm, .xm and .it-support would agreably be nice, although I understand mikmod isn't the best player around
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20:22:24xqtftqxGuys, a whole bunch of the patchs are broken now
20:22:31xqtftqxbecause of the recent svn changes
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20:23:33BigBambixqtftqx: Then fix them, or wait for the authors to do so
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20:23:45xqtftqxi cant tell the problem
20:23:53xqtftqxits in one of the settings file
20:23:53BigBambixqtftqx: It is not 'our' responsibility to sync random patches
20:24:04BigBambixqtftqx: It is a patch, it is not in Rockbox
20:24:06xqtftqxi know i just dont get it
20:24:12BigBambiget what?
20:24:41Armand`q: why would I be getting double entries for the tracks in a particular album in the database, even though there is only one copy of the tracks?
20:24:56BigBambiArmand`: Could there be a copy in e.g. a recycle bin?
20:25:13BigBambiArmand`: Add both to a playlist then view the playlist to see if they are really piinting at the same file
20:25:13Armand`like a .trash, somewhere?
20:25:25BigBambiArmand`: It is a posibility
20:25:37Armand`will check
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20:27:21Armand`aside from that, any tips on making the interface smoother? I've noticed lag and stuttering in the play/pause button and playback with larger files
20:28:18BigBambion what DAP?
20:28:37Armand`iPod 5th gen, 80GiB
20:28:53xqtftqxIve noticed that also
20:28:55*BigBambi could have guessed that
20:29:10BigBambiNot so fast processor, seems to have a troublesome disk,...
20:29:12Armand`it seems to be associated with disk accesses
20:29:29BigBambiArmand`: Any DSP you have on will make it worse
20:30:04Armand`afaik, I don't have any dsp, processing, eq, etc. that's not defaults
20:30:27MichaelHahnJdGordon: if you read the log: when using y or z for the conditional viewports it doesnt work. sim errors out :-) w and x work. also maybe you should mention in the wiki that you can also use conditional viewports with alternating sublines (alternating viewports).
20:30:34BigBambiArmand`: OK, it just looks like you are suffering from the fairly infamous ipod 80 GB issue
20:30:48BigBambiArmand`: well know
20:30:59BigBambiand mysterious
20:31:05Armand`yay :(
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20:31:43PaulJamMichaelHahn: i could imagine that is because the maximum nimber of viewports is 24 (and x is the 24th leter)
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20:33:12Armand`BigBambi: i think got the double thing, though; there was another copy in a .trash. thanks on that one.
20:33:16Armand`*double entry
20:33:16MichaelHahnpauljam: no. i used a,b for other purposes and y,z for aa. the rest was unused. changing y,z to w,x worked directly. so it can not be the number of viewports.
20:33:32BigBambiArmand`: cool - it is often that, but not always - the database isn't perfect :)
20:33:49BigBambiMichaelHahn: Yes it can
20:33:57BigBambiIf there are only 24, that stops with x
20:34:16BigBambiIf you try to use a letter after that (y or z), you are trying to access a viewport that doesn't exist
20:34:34Armand`is there a limit on the number of entries in a playlist?
20:34:38BigBambiIt is 24 = a to x, not 24 at random
20:34:43BigBambiArmand`: yes and no :)
20:34:55MichaelHahnbut the number of viewports has nothing to do with the number of "viewport sets" for the conditional viewports. also the wiki explicitly states that a-z can be used as viewport-set identifier
20:34:58BigBambiArmand`: No, if you set the max items in playlist setting high enough :)
20:35:16Armand`where's the setting?
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20:35:21livingdaylightanyone own a Meizu M6?
20:35:25BigBambiArmand`: In the manual...
20:35:26livingdaylightlooks pretty neat
20:36:01BigBambiMichaelHahn: Ah, well I could be mistaken then - I was going on what PaulJam said. Best wait for someone that knows the code (JdGordon for instance)
20:36:02PaulJamMichaelHahn: ok, i see the same isuue in the sim. the strange thing is that the error is shown for the line after the %Vl line.
20:37:37MichaelHahnBigBambi + PaulJam : yes. thats why i posted it in the log in the hope jdg looks through it :-) if not i propably open a bug report during the next day. i guess nobody encountered it because you rarely use so many viewport-sets *g*
20:38:05BigBambiMichaelHahn: A good plan :)
20:38:19MichaelHahnnice thing though that the conditional viewports also work in an alternating line, so you can show one viewport set for 10 seconds and another one for 5, for example :-)
20:38:43*gevaerts runs away screaming
20:39:18PaulJamMichaelHahn: i could imagine that it would be enought to mention in the wiki that you can use the letters from a to x (since you still have enough letter to use all 24 VPs as conditional VPs)
20:39:36PaulJamnot sure if i would call it a bug.
20:39:56wpyhyay! my first wiki page −−>
20:40:10BigBambiIt does sound to me like the 'bug' is in the wiki saying a - z is available
20:40:11*wpyh wonders why some people runs away screaming quite often
20:40:23gevaertswpyh: to keep fit of course
20:40:25MichaelHahnbut as i know jdg he looks through the chatlog anyways *g* btw: did someone check the wps gallery? some really ugly custom-build wps is having HUGE screenshots in there :-)
20:40:30BigBambiwpyh: To be subtle
20:40:51LambdaCalculus37wpyh: Very nice work! Congrats on your first new wiki page!
20:41:09*MichaelHahn recommends buying wiifit to gevaerts−−-
20:41:09*wpyh doesn't think that's too subtle... :p
20:41:21wpyhLambdaCalculus37: thanks :)
20:41:28*wpyh needs some sleep now
20:41:47Strife89About the metronome plugin...... This is a shot in the dark (please don't kill me), but would it be a problem to just map "Start/Stop" to the down button on all targets?
20:42:33bluebrotherStrife89: wouldn't make sense f.e. on the h100.
20:42:51Strife89May I ask why?
20:43:25pixelmaStrife89: as I said in the forums - it's not that simple
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20:44:20Strife89Alright. I mean, I believe you (you guys have done better than I probably ever will).
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20:45:08Strife89It's just that I'm curious about what makes this situation so difficult (i.e., different from other plugins)
20:50:25pixelmathe metronome plugin uses the so-called "pluginlib actions" system and not simple button definitions or at least definitions on its own which means there are connections to - other plugins and other players. You have to make sure to not break other things, you could use exceptions in the plugin itself for certain players but if one has to start with that why not remove this system?
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20:51:21pixelmaor to the least - pull it out of plugins with known problems. Metronome is broken on other players too, for example
20:52:01pixelmamore precise: I mean the controls
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20:52:41bluebrotherbesides, using the "down" action on the h100 is kinda annoying for this −− there is a stop button, and pressing down on an ipod f.e. is much "easier"
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20:53:01bluebrother(the ipod has the click wheel while the h100 has a joystick so useage is quite different)
20:53:51PaulJamwell, discussion about the pluginlib action is on the devcon europe agenda, so maybe this problem is gone next week.
20:54:25pixelmayep, I hope so and that's why I put it there
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20:55:43Strife89Good to hear - er, read. :)
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22:19:21SETH_HIKARUcan anyone see this
22:19:42SETH_HIKARUnot sure if im connected
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22:20:50scorche|shSETH_HIKARU: next time just look at the irc l.....ugh
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22:24:51Darrellcan anyone tell me, i know its the wrong place, but what happened to the ipodlinux site
22:25:24BagderDarrell: #ipodlinux is the channel
22:25:26scorche|shif you know it is the wrong place, then why ask?
22:26:03Darrellbecause its active here and im sure at least 1 person knows
22:26:37scorche|shand that is justification to ignore the rules we have for this channel?
22:26:41bluebrotherthere are people in #ipodlinux too ...
22:26:52bluebrotherbtw, they even have a note in their channel topic
22:27:13Darrellim banned on the IPL irc ok?
22:27:47saratogaand you're trying to get banned here to?
22:27:51gevaertsDid you ask about rockbox there ?
22:27:51Darrelljust copy and paste the note then
22:27:51Bagderok, but that still is off-topic here
22:28:11Darrellcan you just be helpful for one second
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22:28:14*bluebrother wonders what one needs to do to get banned on #ipl
22:28:23domonokybluebrother: i am thinking about moving all our detect functions in rbutil into one Class/Namespace. So you can do something like: Detect::mountpoint() or Detect::installedTarget() or Detect::device(). What do you think ?
22:28:24scorche|shthey are much more forgiving than they are..
22:28:34scorche|sherrrr...turn one of those into a "we"
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22:29:37bluebrotherdomonoky: sounds good. I also thought about moving all utils.cpp stuff into one class
22:30:45Darrellis anyone going to help
22:31:02bluebrotherbut I kinda want to concentrate on the bootloader class for now ;-)
22:31:05scorche|shDarrell: are you going to follow the rules of this channel?
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22:31:32*bluebrother points to the channel topic telling where OF stuff goes
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22:32:24Bagderipl is more or less dead anyway, so's version should be enough ;-)
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22:46:01youtux_hi, anyone in?
22:46:10Bagderyes plenty
22:47:09youtux_i just want to ask: the development for ipod 6g is stopped?
22:47:16BigBambiIt never really started
22:47:20bluebrotherstopped? There hasn't been any
22:47:39youtux_will it start in future?
22:47:51BigBambiIf an interested owner works on it
22:48:04bluebrotherPorts are not planned. They are done by interested people
22:48:19BigBambiBut don't hold your breath - it has encrypted firmware and undocumented hardware
22:48:33youtux_if i can , i would like to help, i have an ipod 6g
22:48:54BigBambiAre you any good at breaking ancryption?
22:49:50youtux_actually i don't know how to do some hacks on it
22:50:08youtux_like change firmware
22:50:19BigBambiThere is a huge amount more to it than that
22:50:48BigBambiAnd to be brutally honest, I doubt there is anything you can do without a seriously large amount of studying
22:53:51Bagderand then in the end, studying won't be enough
22:54:13Bagdersince brute-forcing or physical analysis problem is required
22:55:09youtux_i can't understand one thing: on the older generation of ipod the installer write raw data on the disk, am i right?
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22:56:31youtux_but it only write on the partition where ipod OS read the files, am i right?
22:56:47youtux_sorry for my english :)
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22:59:26Bagderwell, not only there
22:59:39Bagderthe bootloader would go there I think
23:00:14youtux_when i connect my ipod, i can see on dmesg it is discovered like a pen drive
23:00:29Bagderwhat do you mean?
23:00:31youtux_so i can't understand where can the program write
23:00:44youtux_i mean, where the installer write the firmware?
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23:01:02Bagderwe have no installer for the 6g
23:01:05Bagderso it writes nowhere
23:01:18youtux_yes, i'm talkning about the 5g installer
23:01:34Bagderthat doesn't work on the 6g
23:02:25youtux_ok, so i didn't understand anything :)
23:03:04Bagderyou're asking about an install procedure on different ipods and comparing with the 6g and you can't do that
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23:03:32youtux_ok, thanks
23:03:50Bagdermost players rockbox runs on have their own install procedure and making that work is part of the port to a new model
23:05:04youtux_but the 6g is completely different
23:05:31Bagderthus it would require a new install method
23:06:47BigBambiand a completely new thing to install with that new install method
23:07:41youtux_no one knows how itunes upgrade the firmware on ipod?
23:07:58youtux_i mean, how it can write the firmware into the ipod
23:08:28Bagdermost players rockbox runs on have their own install procedure and making that work is part of the port to a new model
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23:09:11Bagderso you in the 6g porting team need to figure that out
23:09:47youtux_ok, thanks for the explainations
23:09:58PaulJamyoutux_: you might want to read this forum topic: (not sure if it contains any useful information)
23:10:44Buschel_Llorean: from lcdframerate wiki you cann furthermore see that a 5G needs about 0.8MHz per fps. WPS is drawn @5 fps, which needs about 4MHz, which consumes ~1,3mA. this current is similar to what you may calculate from the runtime difference and battery capacity −− for a WPS without peakmeters
23:12:11amiconnThe wps doesn't redra the complete lcd content every time
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23:14:04Buschel_amiconn: sure about this? when i took a look at the source it called lcd_update() 5x per second. which does full transfer of the rectangle
23:14:20amiconnSince when does it do that?
23:14:43Buschel_i don't know... that's what saw when i played around with it some months ago
23:14:55Buschel_let me check
23:15:08amiconnHmm.... maybe I confused something, and it updates only part of the framebuffer, but transfers everything
23:16:02OzaruHi all. I've installed the current build on a 1G iPod nano using rbutilqt: no errors. But when I try to reboot into RB it gives an ATA -11 error, goes to the debug screen, then lapses into Panic ATA: -11. Reboot into the original firmware and everything works fine. The battery is new and fully charged. Any ideas what might be wrong or where I should look for more troubleshooting hints?
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23:16:56Buschel_amiconn: sounds reasonable. but the fps-measurement shows the performance of the transfer, right?
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23:18:38Strife89Well, unfortunately, I fear I have messed up my uncle's Sansa (details in a sec).
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23:19:18Strife89Thus far I have downgraded his OF from 1.01.07P to 1.00.01 sucessfully.
23:19:23youtux_PaulJam: thanks for the link
23:19:33Strife89I followed the instructions in the Wiki TO THE LETTER.
23:20:05scorche|shin the wiki?...we recommend using the manual
23:20:28Strife89On my uncle's PC, as a limited user (Windoze XP), I then attempted to install Rockbox itself with Rockbox Utility.
23:20:41Strife89Of course it failed; I was not an Admin.
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23:20:44Buschel_amiconn: it's hard to search for code in svn via browser :/ but afaic gwps->display->update() calls lcd_update() 5x per second in gui_wps_refresh() in apps/gui/gwps-common.c
23:21:03pixelmascorche|sh: as far as I know downgrading the c200 OF to 1.01.00 is not explained in the manual - and you need it if you want to have a MSC mode setting
23:21:18Buschel_amiconn: even if nothing changes (not even the progress bar)
23:21:39Strife89So I simply transferred my uncle's music to AUDIO and copied /.rockbox to its proper place, and decided to deal with Sansa Patcher on my own PC
23:21:55rocketteemHell, quick question. I just got rockbox on my Sansa E2600, but am having issues figuring out how to access viewer applications. For example, how do I load a ROM for the Rockboy. Only menu selections I have: FIles, Database, Resume Playback, Settings, Recordings, RADIO, Playlists, Plugins,System
23:22:20scorche|shpixelma: oh...i thought he was referring to the install instructions
23:22:21PaulJamStrife89: please post the link to the instructions you followed. so people can undestand better what you did.
23:22:23BigBambirocketteem: Browse to the ROM in the filebrowser and 'play' it as you would music
23:22:26Strife89Now, however, my uncle's Sansa is stuck on an empty progress bar on "Refresh Database". I cannot connect it to USB.
23:22:34Strife89Paul: Okay, hang on
23:22:39pixelmarocketteem: what does the start of the viewers section in the manual say...
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23:23:58Strife89My mistake, I downgraded to version 1.01.00 (NOT 1.00.01)
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23:24:10rocketteemOk, thank you very much. Have a good day
23:24:10LloreanBuschel: Thanks.
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23:24:58Strife89I followed the instructions here ( to the LETTER.
23:24:58SETH_HIKARUwhy would you downgrade the only reasons i can think of is if you have problems or your hacking something
23:25:14BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: so you can get UMS mode and therefore install Rockbox
23:25:17Strife89I downgraded because there was no MSC mode.
23:25:32BuschelLlorean: you're welcome :-)
23:25:32SETH_HIKARUok what is that
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23:25:38LloreanStrife89: Including with the extra UMS key combination?
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23:25:44scorche|shSETH_HIKARU: please do some research...wikipedia is nice
23:25:58zeSETH_HIKARU: universal mass storage/mass storage compliant
23:26:01SETH_HIKARUso is lif
23:26:03LloreanStrife89: Turn on the C200. Once in the original firmware, turn on the hold switch. Then hold the "Left" button, and while holding it down, plug in a USB cable.
23:26:14BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: Are you going to cause trouble?
23:26:14bluebrotherMSC is the same as UMS
23:26:26bluebrotherand btw, I'd still appreciate a less intrusive nick
23:26:35Strife89Oh, so I hold down LEFT AFTER I turn the thing on?
23:26:41bluebrotheri.e. stop SCREAMING
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23:26:42BigBambibluebrother: you aren't going to get through...
23:26:46SETH_HIKARUok what is with this intrusive nick thing
23:26:54Strife89That wasn't clear in the Wiki....
23:26:56bluebrotheryour nick is SCREAMING
23:26:59SETH_HIKARUthats universal
23:27:04 Nick BigBambi is now known as BIGBAMBI (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi)
23:27:09BIGBAMBIthis is annoying :)
23:27:13SETH_HIKARUya i dont care
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23:27:21LloreanSETH_HIKARU: In text-only chat, all-caps is considered a shout or scream, and it is considered polite to use normal capitalization.
23:27:24Strife89Very annoying. :)
23:27:40zei think using whatever you like for your nick is fine as long as he's not typing everything all caps
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23:27:44LloreanSETH_HIKARU: And honestly, if you don't care about being polite in here, it's very likely everyone in here will decide they don't care about answering your questions. Or letting you stay.
23:27:46zebut maybe thats just me
23:27:48SETH_HIKARUhere let me provide you 70 links to all my other profiles which are all the same
23:27:59bluebrotherno, thanks.
23:28:06SETH_HIKARUnow quit bothering me about it
23:28:10BigBambiLlorean: I have already decided that - he has been nothing but rude from the start
23:28:16LloreanStrife89: That should work on most, if not all, versions of the C200 that don't have an MSC mode option.
23:28:28*BigBambi doesn't appreciate being told "screw you" when trying to help
23:28:39Strife89But I hold left AFTER turning the thing on?
23:28:40bluebrotherSETH_HIKARU: it's not you deciding how the rules in this channel are or how people consider you SCREAMING around
23:29:00LloreanStrife89: Yes.
23:29:10LloreanStrife89: Turn thing on. Wait for boot. Turn hold on. Hold left while inserting USB.
23:29:42LloreanSETH_HIKARU: Honestly, I've heard a few complaints about you acting up in this channel by this point. I haven't been around to see them myself, but they're from people I trust.
23:29:45Strife89Ah. The wiki makes it sound like I should engage hold and hold [left] BEFORE powering on.
23:29:49LloreanSETH_HIKARU: So I'm going to tell you now: Be civil in this channel.
23:30:00LloreanStrife89: Feel free to update it to be more clear, then. :)
23:30:21Strife89I suppose I will (just give me an hour). :)
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23:31:31 Quit Armand` ("The length of the pole is proportional to one's distaste for the subject in question.")
23:32:34potvsktlwould anyone be interested in pointing me in the direction of getting rockbox onto a gigabeat s from windows? im having a difficult time with the instructions in wiki
23:32:46BigBambipotvsktl: It is a bit of a nightmare
23:33:04potvsktlseems that way
23:33:17Lloreanpotvsktl: Rockbox on the S is still a development version. If you aren't planning on working on it, there's not much sense installing it yet.
23:33:39potvsktli was under the impression it was close to complete?
23:33:42BigBambipotvsktl: You have to do large amounts of mucking about with installing and removing drivers and other stuff
23:34:05potvsktlah i see, the directions make it seem fairly straightforward (in their vagueness)
23:34:13BigBambiIt is from linux
23:34:55potvsktlalright sounds like ill wait for more progress then
23:35:07SETH_HIKARUcd C:/Rockbox/rockbox/apps/plugins/doom/i_video.c
23:35:14SETH_HIKARUwhoops sorry
23:35:19SETH_HIKARUwrong text box
23:35:30BigBambiIt is probably easier - horrible windows isnatll is one blocker, as are things like to charging support etc.
23:35:32 Quit Strife89 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)")
23:35:33SETH_HIKARUthat would be funny if i actually did something
23:35:45markunwell, you can't CD to a file anyway
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23:35:51SETH_HIKARUi know
23:35:52scorche|shSETH_HIKARU: last warning...stay on topic
23:36:18Lloreanpotvsktl: It'll be listed in the supported targets when it's ready enough for users.
23:36:31SETH_HIKARUok but i was engrossed in the keyboard so thats why that happened
23:36:44potvsktlgreat, thanks
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23:37:02scorche|shSETH_HIKARU: i dont care...if you accidently did something, fine...dont spend more lines talking about how funny it was though
23:37:40SETH_HIKARUoh ya i was wondering about that alpine cd player emulator for the archos how come it only works on there
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23:38:54markunSETH_HIKARU: do you have a link?
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23:40:33SETH_HIKARUits the first plugin
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23:41:47bluebrotherwell, you need a pin for interfacing. The player needs to have a unused one ...
23:41:58SETH_HIKARUand the ipod doesnt
23:42:06markunand it needs to be bidirectional
23:42:20SETH_HIKARUand the ipod video doesnt have one does it
23:43:10SETH_HIKARUyes, no?
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23:45:10markunI thought the video out signal was connected to the headphone socket
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23:46:39Strife89Well, I just registered myself in the Wiki (as MichaelCarr), so.... May I have write permission?
23:47:36markunStrife89: one moment
23:47:53*preglow wonders about the d2 iram issue
23:48:43markunStrife89: done
23:48:50Strife89Alright, thanks. :)
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23:49:38*SETH_HIKARU slaps SETH_HIKARU around a bit with a large trout
23:50:06*bluebrother sighs
23:50:40SETH_HIKARUhow did u do that bluebrother
23:50:57SETH_HIKARUactually nevermind id rather stay on topic
23:51:25SETH_HIKARUwhen you use VMware to compile what os do you use
23:51:53SETH_HIKARUor do you just use pure bash as your os
23:52:10Bagderbash is a shell, not an OS
23:52:58SETH_HIKARUoh so what do you use then
23:53:03bluebrotherand there it goes ... one more entry on my ignore list.
23:53:14SETH_HIKARUyou do that
23:53:14BagderI use bash or tcsh on Linux
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23:53:31SETH_HIKARUdo u ever get any problems compiling
23:53:45Bagderyes, but then I fix my mistakes and rebuild ;-)
23:53:48LloreanSETH_HIKARU: The channel guidelines also make it clear to use real words, nothing like "u"
23:54:03SETH_HIKARUsorry i meant okay
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23:55:12SETH_HIKARUso Bagder: Do you use VMware then Linux on top of that?
23:55:24markunSETH_HIKARU: you can use the vmware image here:
23:55:40BagderI use plain Linux with no VM at all
23:56:10markunSETH_HIKARU: vmware only makes sense if you run windows (or another non unix-like OS)
23:56:58SETH_HIKARUthank youuuuuuuu
23:58:01shotofaddspreglow: yeah, the performance was so suspiciously bad I tried a few tests - couldn't believe the difference after I disabled IRAM. Until we /really/ need performance I think we should ignore IRAM entirely for the time being.
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