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#rockbox log for 2008-06-26

00:00:25LuckyCharmsumm are the nano themes stil updated?
00:00:44LuckyCharmsif they are i'll probably just wait then ;)
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00:02:29krazykitLuckyCharms, that's up to the theme authors or people who are willing to fix them and upload them
00:04:06shotofaddsJdGordon: there's also flickering immediately before progressing to the next track in a playlist, and immediately after skipping tracks
00:04:29shotofaddsby flickering, I mean the progress bar is not actually drawn (and battery icons etc are missing) for a fraction of a second
00:06:04LuckyCharmswhat would i use for |x|y| in the pb tag?
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00:11:04PaulJamshotofadds: that is because the default WPS (cabbie) propably has overlapping viewports. i see that on H300 too.
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00:11:45shotofaddsPaulJam: sounds more likely to be since the conditional viewports change, then. it certainly didn't happen a few days ago...
00:13:32LuckyCharmscan't i just use the version beforet the themes broke?
00:16:29PaulJamshotofadds: well, the cabbie WPSs were changed to use conditional viewports instead of margins shortly after that commit.
00:17:31shotofaddsok. I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere so thought I'd mention it... I have more broken things than that to worry about right now though ;)
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00:18:42PaulJami don't think it was mentioned before :P
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01:02:55chill_hello
01:03:02chill_i have a question
01:03:26krazykitwell, if you want help, you should just ask (like the guidelines in the topic say)
01:03:41chill_if i buy a compatible ipod and install rockbox in it, will i be able to sync it with amarok? playlists, play count and ratings?
01:06:47LloreanThat's actually a question for Amarok
01:07:01LloreanRockbox has its own database format, used on multiple players, and it'd be up to them to read our ratings and play counts from it or not.
01:07:14LloreanMy guess, though, is "no"
01:07:29gevaertsPlaylists should work I think
01:07:43LloreanPlaylists on the other hand are just a common format, m3u, so they're probably okay.
01:07:55chill_mm
01:08:12chill_ok, then, what media player is able to read this database? or has plugins for it, do you know any?
01:08:18chill_in linux by the way
01:09:10LloreanProbably not any.
01:09:18LloreanAt least, I've never heard of one.
01:09:50chill_aww thats sad, i thought open source projects could work together easier, well never mind
01:10:13Lloreanchill_: Nobody's stopping them.
01:10:17chill_and, whats the mp3 player that support rockbox with larget capacity? i read that ipod classics are a no no.
01:10:27LloreanIt's mostly because the people who are interested in such a feature (like you) don't go out and actually do it.
01:11:04Lloreanchill_: Be careful. The mp3 player with the largest capacity that Rockbox runs on literally is an MP3 player, it plays no other formats (except WAV)
01:11:41LloreanNot counting that, though, the largest capacity natively is the 80gb iPod Video, while various players have been upgraded to 120 using third party HDs and sometimes internal adapters.
01:12:11chill_i could hack an ipod video for larger capacity, thanks
01:12:31chill_and i don't code im a graphic designer i help with my current skills the open source community
01:12:37LloreanThe iPod Video is frankly not exactly the best player out there, by a long shot.
01:12:37chill_thank you for your answers
01:12:55chill_i don't care the interface will change to rockbox anyway, and all i want is large capacity
01:13:54gevaertsIt's not just a question of interface. There are better players for rockbox
01:14:04Lloreanchill_: The hardware itself is sub-par
01:14:13LloreanRockbox can't remove the limits of a slow CPU, for example.
01:14:26chill_if you know any i can hack for at least 100gbs of mobile audio playing, tell me
01:14:37chill_please :)
01:15:06gevaertsDo you just want playing, or do you also need recording and radio ?
01:15:15LloreanPretty much any of the 1.8" players can have a 120GB disk installed into them, though it's easier if you use one of the ZIF ones so you don't need an adapter.
01:15:15chill_playing only
01:15:51chill_oh, thanks ill beging comparing prices then =)
01:15:56LloreanI think there's even a wiki page on disk upgrades
01:16:00gevaertsIn that case I'd say a Toshiba Gigabeat F40 or F60
01:16:16LloreanI'd go with the F40 if you're already planning on pulling the drive, save $10-$20 or so
01:16:32chill_oh excellent advice
01:16:43Shaiddoes the F40 have a smaller backplate?
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01:16:52LloreanShaid: No, it's still dual platter.
01:16:57gevaertsDon't get an F10 or F20, as they have single-platter disks and are thinner
01:17:08chill_my only concern is the large music database, the ipod wheel is pretty fast and pretty good to manage large collections, does the gigabeat match up?
01:17:33pixelmanot all players with 1,8" HD can be upgraded to such a big drive (easily) only ones that already use dual platter drives
01:17:40Lloreanchill_: You can probably manage large lists faster with buttons and a properly chosen set of scroll acceleration values.
01:17:57chill_oh nice to know, rockbox will let me choose the speed?
01:18:02LloreanYes.
01:18:29chill_you got to love the customizabilty of open source software
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01:19:42chill_we'll i guess once im rich ill hire devs to code plugins for rhythmbox and amarok :P
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01:21:16chill_mm im learning python would that be enough for the job?
01:21:24Lloreanchill_: you could always simply post feature requests to them, if it hasn't been requested yet
01:21:33LloreanThey may not even be aware that there's a need for such a thing, yet.
01:21:39chill_oh
01:21:52chill_i will
01:22:04LloreanDoesn't guarantee anything, but there might be an interest there
01:22:21chill_yeah i understand how it works
01:22:24LloreanA single database format to add support for, and it'll allow them to support an ever-expanding list of players.
01:22:37chill_i've campaigned for features in the past =P
01:23:22chill_i'll tell the banshee guys, it seems they have payed developers
01:23:44gevaertsTell all of them
01:24:05chill_well, the biggest ones are rythmbox, amarok, banshee, and xmpc (or something like that)
01:24:41chill_ok im off now
01:24:44chill_thank you guys
01:24:53chill_oh i forgot
01:25:08chill_can i use skins to customize rockbox? i love to skin my apps i dont mind learning
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01:25:26LloreanYes.
01:25:41chill_cool
01:25:49chill_see you later
01:25:49chill_bye
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01:27:38HAMANhey all
01:28:02HAMANi just put Rockbox on my sansa e260\
01:28:10HAMANand it seems to be workin all ok
01:28:14HAMANcept for 1 thing
01:28:32ZincAlloylet me guess: the themes don't work?
01:28:45HAMANit seems that any .WPS files arnt workin. it wont show anything cept the stock wps
01:29:01MarcGuayTwo points to ZincAlloy.
01:29:16HAMANthemes seem ok, i can change them
01:29:20MarcGuayZincAlloy: Your prize to getting to explain it to him. :)
01:29:26HAMANlike the main menu and backrounds change ok
01:29:33LloreanHAMAN: The WPS code changed recently. Tell the people who wrote the themes they need updated.
01:29:40HAMANheh, did i do sumthin wrong? :)
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01:30:08MarcGuayHAMAN: No it's just a recent change that's causing a lot of confusion. You're one among many.
01:30:12ZincAlloynot at all. most wps files are just outdated since monday...
01:30:15HAMANok welp, i didnt just use any old themes, i used the ones that are listed in the rock utility for installing
01:30:32HAMANok i see
01:30:39HAMANso,,, :) how do i fix this
01:30:44LloreanHAMAN: Doesn't matter where they came from, the authors need to update them.
01:31:10MarcGuayHAMAN: You could learn the WPS syntax and fix them yourself or ask the authors to update them.
01:31:28MarcGuayHAMAN: Or use another theme... or make your own...
01:31:32HAMANok
01:31:50ZincAlloyhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS official wps syntax explained here
01:32:11HAMANif this just happened on monday, couldnt i got back to an older build? or i can edit the .wps file to be correct
01:32:38gevaertsYou could, yes
01:32:47ZincAlloywhat's broken on most WPSs are the progress bar and scrolling margins parts
01:32:49MarcGuayHAMAN: Going backwards leaves you out of step with any future improvements.
01:33:09ZincAlloyand out of support :)
01:33:13HAMANok, so the way to go is just update the wps code to be current
01:33:25HAMANall i need is at that link?
01:33:50ZincAlloythat link and some fiddling around with the wps file
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01:34:48HAMANok, and lastly, was like all of the synthax codes changed? or just a few commands?
01:35:02pixelmaMarcGuay: had a look at bascule's patches and added some small changes here and there. Think I'm going to commit some more tomorrow (errr today) in the morning - half past 1 in the night here. It took a bit longer to find out what was already committed and what not but ok
01:35:12advcomp2019i had to fix my favorite theme for rockbox myself
01:35:47MarcGuayHAMAN: Focus on %m, %P and %pb.
01:36:04ZincAlloyhaman: you will need to delete the %P tag in most cases and update the %pb tag to the current syntax
01:36:21HAMANok, cool, thanx alot for yer help guys!
01:36:33MarcGuaypixelma: I noticed, and thanks for fixing my mistakes. :) Sorry if it got confusing, I started at the bottom of the .zip file which couldn't have helped much.
01:36:40HAMANdo these changes only effect the wps, or other parts of the theme as well?
01:37:58MarcGuaypixelma: I'm working on fixing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7677 now... (adding the random folder advance feature).
01:37:59pixelmaMarcGuay: you're welcome. And it's a great chance to pick up some motivation to do more myself again... :)
01:38:17ZincAlloyscrolling margins (%m) don't work anymore, either. you will need to put content with margins into a viewport. while you're at it you'd better put all icons and graphics inside viewports, too
01:38:41ZincAlloyhaman: they only affect the wps
01:38:45pixelmaMarcGuay: nice
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01:43:27pixelmaif you look hard enough (maybe not even necessary), you can find quite a few undocumented features and/or outdated information
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01:45:52MarcGuaypixelma: I was hoping the tracker had most of them... I wonder how long I can keep this up without becoming totally demotivated...
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01:47:07pixelmaI'm not sure there's a lot of those in the tracker
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02:00:05MarcGuaypixelma: Is there a standard way to describe a plugin menu?
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02:02:44pixelmaMarcGuay: I also only used other tex files as model.
02:03:08MarcGuaypixelma: Okay. Doom will do... :)
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02:25:27MarcGuayCan anyone think of a nice way to bring setting Auto-Change Directory to Random and the Random_Folder_Advance_Config closer together in the interface? Could the plugin be triggered when you select it as an option? Have the list auto-generate?
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02:26:25JdGordonno, maybe, maybe
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02:29:09MarcGuayJdGordon: :) That's about as far as I got myself...
02:29:30JdGordon:)
02:29:46MarcGuayJdGordon: I'm trying to document it and can see why you didn't.
02:29:51vulgarpowerdoes anyone know when 5g ipod dock connector audio out will be worked on? looking to use an itrip (dock) and can't do the hardwire.
02:30:16JdGordonMarcGuay: I didnt because I'm a lazy bugger and never document anything outside the code :D
02:30:22scorche|shJdGordon: could you please edit MajorChanges to indicate your recent "big" commits?
02:30:33MarcGuayvulgarpower: Pantera rules, and if you keep an eye on the tracker tasks that's probably about as good as it gets.
02:30:44JdGordonscorche|sh: ah yeah.. forgot about that
02:30:51scorche|sh...we noticed
02:31:18JdGordonwell it is a wiki....
02:31:51scorche|shand you still should edit it after such a commit... =P
02:31:55*MarcGuay holds back his snarky comments.
02:32:06vulgarpowermarc: yeah that's kind of what i was afraid of...
02:32:23vulgarpowerdidn't see anything in the feature request tho... did i miss it?
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02:35:45MarcGuayvulgarpower: All is see is FS #8624.
02:36:59vulgarpowermarc: thanks!
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02:38:26MarcGuayJdGordon: I noticed a small bug in random_folder_advance while I was poking it. Want to know now or should I task it?
02:39:03*MarcGuay realized that "poke" has another meaning in Britain. Yikes.
02:39:32*scorche|sh pokes MarcGuay
02:39:47scorche|sheverything has another meaning in the UK
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02:45:35JdGordonMarcGuay: task it... i might not have time today to fix it
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03:06:17wastreler, hi just got a sansa e260. the current build page says "broken?"
03:06:35wastrelshall i see if it is in fact broken? or play it safe and go with an older build?
03:08:27MarcGuaywastrel: Hold on...
03:11:06MarcGuaywastrel: It's odd, not showing up in the build table. Using the daily build should be good, and more reliable.
03:11:18MarcGuaywastrel: For now that is. Usually the current build is fine.
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03:13:53wastrelok thanks
03:15:28HAMAN1 thing i was hoping for with rockbox vs stock was a way to make volume louder. but i dont see any way to do this? is it possible? (sansa e260)
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03:17:14krazykitHAMAN, just scroll the wheel and make it louder... if you can't go any higher, it's because the device simply doesn't support it
03:17:57wastrelbetter earphones may help i bought some in-ear ones that improve it
03:18:09HAMANok, so all the way up is all the way up ":)
03:18:21krazykitobviously, yes ;)
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03:29:27MarcGuaygrr. If I want to have a path (./rockbox/whatever) in the manual, how do I escape it so it compiles?
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03:35:37wastrelrockbox running on the e260 <3
03:35:50wastrelnow i need to install a nice theme. and figure out how to convert video
03:38:33wastrel(suggestions re either are welcome)
03:40:35krazykitwastrel, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer - read that for video information
03:41:11wastrelkrazykit: yeah i read that. i tried a bunch of things and didn't get a successful conversion yet.
03:41:22wastreli have to pick one and learn how to use it i think.
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03:52:53crzyboysterCan someone take a quick look at my WPS and tell me what's wrong with it? (I'm trying to fix up my WPS') > http://pastebin.ca/1056140
03:53:56crzyboysterBy the way, the WPS parser isn't breaking it, but parts of it aren't showing up properly. Any idea why because I can't figure out this new code... not to mention I'm a bit rusty with viewports...
03:55:16MarcGuaycrzyboyster: What parts are causing trouble?
03:56:01crzyboysterSome features (hold icon, etc.) aren't showing up... hold on, let me get a screenshot of the theme
03:57:08crzyboysterhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsIpodNano?rev=2;filename=corners_wpsaa.png is the screenshot
03:58:04crzyboysterAnd another question: Do we have viewports in the main menu now?
03:58:48MarcGuayTry putting the last 6 lines after the variable declarations so that they're in the main viewport. It's possible that since they're at the end they're getting lumped into the last viewport.
03:59:54MarcGuayAnd for your question, I don't think so.
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04:03:29MarcGuayOMG this is driving me nuts. If anyone knows how I can put "/.rockbox/folder_advance_list.txt" literally into the manual, please contact me. The underscores are not being treated with any love at all. Arrrrrr!
04:04:33krazykitMarcGuay, don't you just escape them out with \
04:05:03MarcGuaykrazykit: If it's that easy call me a fool... Will try...
04:05:44MarcGuaykrazykit: No dice.
04:06:00krazykitgoogle is a liar then :(
04:06:30MarcGuaykrazykit: Is that a LaTeX rule?
04:06:47krazykitseems so
04:07:35MarcGuaykrazykit: Seems happy with it when it's inside a \fname{}. Thanks krazykit.
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04:40:19JdGordonMarcGuay: just for future reference (re... "try putting the last 6 lines after the variable declarations..."), lines are always put in the viewport after they are defined, so yes, they are being put in that last one...
04:41:41MarcGuayJdGordon: Figured. Nice. I think I found one of the bugs in RFA myself. A classic no-braces mistake for the case mistake.
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04:46:41crzyboysterHow would I go about making a WPS change the background if a song has album art or not?
04:47:18crzyboysterAn example would probably be enough, but I can't seem to find any...
04:48:00JdGordonI highly doubt you can do that
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04:48:26crzyboysterReally?
04:48:30JdGordonreally
04:48:36MarcGuaycrzyboyster: Could be difficult with the image limits... ?%C<%C|%Vda> where viewport 'a' has a huge image in the background.
04:49:01MarcGuaycrzyboyster: You won't have much space left for anything else with two full screen images, though.
04:49:04JdGordonMarcGuay: I was thinking that, but then i dont think the text drawing will work with that
04:49:30JdGordonand yeah, iirc the image buffer is big enough 2 exaclty 2 full screen images
04:49:32MarcGuayJdGordon: You know better than I. Works logically, though.
04:49:33crzyboysterI have heard of that (concept) before and thought it would be possible ?
04:49:48crzyboysterOh, well
04:50:04MarcGuayJdGordon: I checked the code once and it's 2.25 or 2.5 or something. I added it to the CustomWPS wiki.
04:50:43MarcGuayAny idea why the e200 build is broken? Seems to crack at pacbox.
04:51:51crzyboysterHold on, maybe y'all misunderstood me. Basically, I want the frame on this WPS gone when there is no album art available > http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsIpodNano?rev=2;filename=corners_wps.png
04:53:04MarcGuaycrzyboyster: In that case you could say IF there's album art, display this box image as well as the album cover.
04:53:22crzyboysterAnd how would I go about doing that?
04:53:40crzyboysterWPS examples?
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04:55:05crzyboysterAnd what exactly is "study mode"?
04:55:29MarcGuay?%C<%Vda|Vdb> where viewport 'a' has a box image displayed as well as the album art. And another viewport, also defined as 'a', has the album info. Whereas viewport 'b' is just the album info centered.
04:58:07MarcGuaycrzyboyster: Study Mode = http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6188
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04:59:21crzyboysterThanks, MarcGuay.
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06:33:24wastrelwhy is the MUSIC folder hidden in the file view?
06:34:54Shaidby default the sansa hides that folder.
06:37:37wastreli see. i didn't have this proplem on my e250r presumably because of the patch
06:42:04wastrelok thanks. mv MUSIC MUSIC-
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06:44:09ShaidI called mine _MUSIC_
06:44:24Shaidso it was always at the top of the file index. And that enter after music was unintentional.
06:46:59wastreli'm mostly in PODCASTS and VIDEO, don't actually have much music.
06:47:04wastrelot, sorry.
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07:00:34MarcGuayJdGordon: Mrsh. That missing braces thing I mentionned earlier was a mirage, and therefore so is the "bug fix" in my last commit. The real bugs are in the tracker.
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07:19:49HAMANhey all, just figured out how to get the wps files updated to work with new synthax.. its not very hard at all. and now i've found myself not just fixing them, but toally customizing them to my likes
07:20:25HAMANbut i wonder , is it possible to display in a wps a scope or spec analizer?
07:20:43HAMANlike winamp shows on main screen
07:29:58LloreanNo.
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07:40:50alackiereally quick question: my understanding is that my 4th gen iPod and Rockbox won't work/will only partially work with most dock/remotes, right? Is there a fix for this?
07:41:30scorchealackie: no...Rockbox doesnt currently support the apple accessory protocol
07:41:54alackieOkay, then I can stop trying. Thanks for the help!
07:42:07*amiconn wonders about MarcGuay's change in that plugin
07:42:13scorchestop trying to do what?
07:42:17amiconnThe braces are completely unnecessary
07:42:46alackiestop trying to find a way to get my remote to work.
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08:34:13HAMANis there a graphical view someware of what all the available fonts look like?
08:36:07Corsachmhm and how exactly are themes organized? I have found a nice theme for general interface, nice icons, but I'd like to find a nice theme for the “playing” window
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08:36:43Corsacbut I don't really understand how everything goes when one apply themes (because sometime not everything is changed, so I guess not all themes define all interface parts)
08:36:50HAMANthe playing window is setup via the WPS file
08:37:15HAMANthey in WPS dir
08:37:40Corsacyeah but not all wps define everything, right?
08:37:43JdGordonamiconn: yeah, ignore it... he's obviously not up to scratch with C just yet....
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08:39:32HAMANwell, the wps only defines everything in the playing screen, not anything else
08:39:40Corsachmhmh
08:40:15Corsacso background, fonts, icons, “selection bar”, are selected from where?
08:40:55JdGordonthey are all setup in the .cfg file which really is the "theme" file
08:41:04JdGordonthe .wps is set in the .cfg also...
08:42:16Corsacyeah but when I select a WPS file I downloaded from rockbox website, it sets the background, the fonts etc. too
08:42:34Corsacwhich I guess is ok
08:43:02Corsacnow I just need to find a good looking “playing window” theme, then chose myself background, fontds, icons etc.
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08:45:40HAMANdid anyone know where i could see what all the fonts look like? so i know what each setting does? i'm tryin to make my own wps. but dont know what fonts will look like, to many to try all 1 by 1
08:46:18PaulJamCorsac: in the "theme Settings" menu you have "browse themes" which selects whole thames (so background, font, etc) but you also habe "browser .wps files" which selects only the while playing screen.
08:46:35Corsacok
08:46:38Corsacthanks
08:46:47Corsacand what are rwps files?
08:46:59Corsac(and would your recommend a wps for iriver h320?)
08:47:01PaulJamWPS for the remote
08:47:25Corsacok
08:47:46CorsacI use pure rockbox builds so I'm not sure I can use those wps which requires patches and special features
08:48:05PaulJamCorsac: the PJ_Ice_A theme of course ;) http://www.misticriver.net/forums/589666-post254.html
08:50:48PaulJamCorsac: in the WPSGallery in the wiki the themes by JohannesVoggenthaler should be updated to work with the current build too.
08:51:09Corsachmhm, I currently use DGT Deep
08:51:20Corsacbut it doesn't look at all like the screenshot
08:51:35Corsac(I just recently upgraded my rockbox install so maybe it's related)
08:51:51PaulJamthere was a major change in the WPS syntax that broke most of the WPS on monday.
08:51:57Corsacarf
08:51:59Corsacso that's why
08:52:10Corsacand I guess themes aren't yet updated
08:52:24Corsacis this something I can change easily by hand?
08:53:55PaulJamsee the CustomWPS wiki page. you probably need to fis the %pb tags, remove %P, and if the WPS contains %m| tags you need to ise viewports instead.
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08:59:40Corsachmhm is there a “migration” help page?
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09:00:06Corsacbecause on CustomWPS I don't really know what to do
09:00:14Corsac(and I is it up to date?)
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09:03:44Corsachttp://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17763 I guess?
09:04:49Corsachttp://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17759 too
09:04:52PaulJamyes, that and r17759
09:06:17CorsacI tried the perl script
09:06:20Corsacwill check
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09:10:06Corsachmhm, doesn't seem to be enough :/
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09:18:05PaulJamCorsac: i just looked at the wps and something is very strange there. i would be surprised if this wps would have worked with an older build. try replacing the %pb line with "%pb|pb.bmp|0|153|220|3|" and remove the line starting with %P
09:19:01CorsacPaulJam: I'm living for work, but I'll do that, thanks
09:19:07CorsacI'll keep you informed
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09:19:49JD24Hello all!
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09:22:30JD24I'm currently working on the serial communication between a sansa c200 and the sansa base station. can someone tell me where to get the AS3514 datasheet?
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09:31:41LinusNJD24: the AS3514 is an audio codec
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09:34:21funmanhi
09:34:50JD24Well i know but it handles the volume control which is supported by the remote control of the base station
09:35:23LinusNJD24: the audio drivers in rockbox should already be able to control the volume
09:35:59LinusNi guess you need to find out how the serial communication is done
09:36:22JD24i already was able to sniff the communication :-)
09:36:25LinusNis it a plain TTL RS232 link?
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09:36:29JD24no is not
09:36:33JD24it's I2C
09:36:50JD24thats the reasion i like to have the AS3514 datasheet
09:37:00JD24since it supports I2C
09:37:22JD24maybe i can interpret my sniffing logs
09:37:37LinusNuse a multimeter to find out where the i2c lines go
09:37:52JD24i was a pain in the butt to find that out since i'm not an electronic engineer nor have a sope
09:38:03JD24i now the pin outs
09:38:09JD24mean i know the pin outs
09:38:38LinusNit is not likely to be connected directly to the AS3514, since you can control the playback as well
09:39:26JD24does rockbox have drivers for I2C ?
09:39:42LinusNJD24: not for I2C slave
09:40:13JD24so it can only used as master?
09:40:48LinusNso far all the players we have encountered have only used I2C to control peripheral slaves
09:41:13JD24that's exactly how the OF communicates with the remote control
09:41:14LinusNso we have no knowledge about how to use the portalplayer I2C as a slave
09:41:33JD24there is no need for it to act as a I2c slave
09:41:54LinusNaha, so the remote is polled by the player?
09:42:00JD24no
09:42:08JD24there is a IRQ input pin on the sansa
09:42:36LinusNand then the firmware reads the remote via I2C?
09:43:03JD24yes
09:43:08LinusNah, that's good
09:43:24LinusNthen you have no use at all for the as3514 sheets
09:43:52LinusN"all" you have to do is to find out which i2c controller to use
09:44:21LinusNand decipher the protocol
09:44:44LinusNshouldn't be that hard
09:44:57LinusNgood work so far, btw
09:44:58JD24not directly for the remote control thing but i like to learn about configuring audio input via i2c
09:45:04JD24the datasheet would be handy for that
09:45:16JD24thanks
09:45:18LinusNbut we already do that
09:45:30LinusNotherwise we would have no sound on the c200
09:45:45JD24but not via remote control
09:45:53JD24bass/trebble ...
09:45:59LinusNah, you mean enabling the line out in the dock connector
09:46:12JD24something like that
09:46:22LinusNis there no sound at all?
09:46:23pixelmais this docking station usable with the e200 and c200?
09:46:37advcomp2019LinusN, JD24 has the Sansa made dock that has a remote
09:46:47JD24i only can confirm that with sansa fuze and sansa c200
09:47:36JD24i'll put my findings on the wiki
09:47:44advcomp2019i remember the thread from anythingbutipod that he is trying to figure this stuff out too
09:48:13JD24yes that's alse me in the abi forums (JD24)
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09:48:49JD24btw the sansa dock also use an audio amplifier chip controlled via I2C
09:49:35LinusNJD24: but is it an as3514?
09:50:56JD24no maxim
09:50:58advcomp2019here are the scans of the dock: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=256725&postcount=93
09:51:10JD24thanks, already have that
09:51:30LinusNdo we have the as3514 datasheets btw?
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09:52:12pixelmaumm...
09:53:54JD24someone has
09:54:00JD24?
09:54:40pixelmaLinusN: well, AMS...
09:55:01LinusN:-)
09:55:18LinusNlemme check here...
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09:56:45scorcheevan123423414334: you are there
09:56:51advcomp2019evan123423414334, yes?
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10:22:57JD24anything yet?
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10:41:21Corsacmpf, fat fs on iriver doesn't want files with "?" in the name :(
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10:42:17dionoeaCorsac: that's one of the forbidden characters in FAT
10:42:28dionoea(along with * " : | < and >)
10:42:42dionoeaor s/FAT/Windows/
10:43:51Corsacyeah
10:44:01Corsactoo bad
10:44:08Corsacthat's the only device I really use vfat on
10:44:25Corsacbut I don't think it support ext, does it?
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11:06:50markunmy gigabeat just gave me a big red "NO SYSTEM ON HDD" error. I turned it on again and it works fine.
11:08:14gevaertsBad connection, or dying hard disk ?
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11:10:47TokiHi all. Have anyone experienced a total hang-on on X5 at the end of .ape files playback?
11:14:37gevaertsAt the end of any .ape file, or at the end of the playlist ?
11:14:50pixelmaoccasional freezes during the last tracks of a playlist have been reported (with mp3s too), there's a tracker entry for it and I've experienced it too a few times (on c200 and M5)
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11:38:21Tokiat the end of any .ape file (sorry for late response)
11:39:09Tokithe screen turns black, and only long press of the "off" button brings it back to life
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11:39:44Tokiplayer freezes at approx. 5% from the end of the song
11:39:45gevaertsSoif you play an album with more than one .ape file, it will stop at the end of the first one ? Then that's a different bug.
11:39:56gevaertsWhich revision are you using ?
11:40:00Tokiyes
11:40:18TokiI used some older version (like 3 month old) and just tried today's build
11:40:23Tokiofficial one
11:42:18Tokiperhaps the player tries to read the next file in playlist and gives up... I'll try with 1 file in a dir
11:42:42gevaertsDo other codecs work, like mp3 ?
11:42:58Tokimp3 and flac works fine (no glich)
11:45:43gevaertsI can't find any bug report describing anything like that. Could you file one ?
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11:56:02TokiIf I play a single file (I mean there are no other .ape or any other files in a dir) the player does not hang, but it produced a dreadful "white noise" which almost destroyed my ears :(
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12:08:00GodEaterhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17365.msg128392#msg128392 <−− An idea I just had, discuss
12:09:18CFPHey everybody
12:09:28CFPI just created a wiki account
12:09:46CFPas suggested on http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17390.0
12:10:11CFPIs it possible to get edit privileges ?
12:10:30GodEaterCFP: what's your WikiName ?
12:10:50CFPClementPitClaudel
12:11:17GodEaterDone
12:11:25CFPGreat, thanks
12:11:29GodEaterno problem
12:12:15TokiCan someone help me with logging in on tracker? I get blank page after enterin log and pass...
12:12:49GodEaterZagor is "Mr. Tracker" and he doesn't appear to be around currently
12:13:25CFPI was wondering
12:13:29Tokiok...
12:13:44CFPIs there a special procedure with plugins
12:13:55CFPAppart from submitting them in the tracker
12:14:06CFPto have them tested or so ?
12:14:17GodEaternope
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12:14:34GodEaterhaving them in the tracker usually is enough to ensure they get some level of testing
12:15:05GodEateryou can advertise the tracker entry in the forums though if you want more testing done.
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12:17:10LloreanGodEater: I intend to bring up RButil at devcon for discussing its intent, which I think that feeds into
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12:17:37GodEaterI think that's quite a neat feature we could offer in the future
12:17:44GodEaterif we can get it to work reliably
12:17:53CFPCause my new text editor seems to just get people bored
12:18:05GodEaterit needs thinking about of course though, as we'd need some way to get those scripts into the release that RBUtil is trying to install
12:18:05CFPanyway
12:18:07LloreanAt the very least we could have it flag broken WPSes and maybe give appropriate clues
12:18:09GodEaterbut I'm sure we could come up with something
12:18:20GodEateryeah, that's a good start
12:18:30LloreanSince we're working on that feature for the theme site anyway.
12:18:55*GodEater *really* hopes someone is at least going to record audio at the DevCon for other people to listen in to
12:19:05CFPLlorean : I quite like the idea of a script to fix broken WPSs tags
12:19:11markunCFP: is it a text file editor or text input?
12:19:22scorcheGodEater: of the talks?
12:19:42GodEaterscorche: of everthing ideally, but yes, definitely the Rockbox related talks
12:19:45LloreanCFP: It'd be hard to universally fix them, since you'd then have to keep around a revision history of all changed tags.
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12:20:10GodEaterLlorean: not necessarily I think
12:20:19pixelmahaha, found a manual section that only contains a . very helpful
12:20:20LloreanGodEater: We'll have dozens of MP3 players with recording capabilities there. We just need to remember to run a few on.
12:20:24GodEateralthough in some cases I can imagine it wouldn't be possible to script an automatic fix
12:20:32scorcheGodEater: well, we could probably do some sort of voip, and i believe petur is bringing a bit of his taping rig, so...
12:20:54GodEaterbut we either need developers to do these scripts themselves, or persuade some of our WPS authors to get some perl-fu
12:21:05GodEaterscorche: podcasts of the event would be awesome
12:21:18CFPmarkun: both
12:21:25peturyes, I'm bringing mics and mic amp...
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12:21:31LloreanGodEater: In the current case, the script would have to be exactly specific to this case. If the tags change again, the script would have to be able to change old ones to the middle version, then middle versions to the newest version, without interpreting the newest version as an old version, and so forth.
12:21:45CFPmarkun: the text editor is here to demonstrate the new input method
12:21:49GodEaterLlorean: not so entirely
12:22:18GodEaterwe could allow the upgrades to a given version require stacking previous releases which included the script to fix whatever broke in them
12:22:22GodEaterif you see what I mean ?
12:22:33GodEaterit might mean we need some more complex archiving of builds though =/
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12:22:47GodEaterit needs thought
12:22:49CFPMaybe wps files could be tagged with a rockbox version
12:22:50LloreanYeah, but that's the thing. If we have a new revision of %pb, old scripts will think it's just as broken as the older tags, since they'd both fail the check.
12:23:07CFPso that we know which tags are to be updated
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12:23:18GodEaterCFP: that's not a bad idea either
12:23:36LloreanI think the best bet is to check if it's valid, if not, tell the author "It needs fixing, but (if applicable) a new version is available at the themes site, do you wish to download?"
12:23:40GodEaterLlorean: that would mean you'd just have to apply the releases in the right oder though ?
12:23:51GodEaters/oder/order
12:23:53LloreanGodEater: That's my point though. Let's call this "progress bar v2"
12:24:00pixelmaI'm always hesitating to trust such scripts
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12:24:16LloreanWhen PB v3 rolls around, if you have some v1 WPSes still around, the v2 script will identify both v1 and v3 ones as "broken" since they don't match the v2 format.
12:24:19GodEaterpixelma: we'd of course make it an optional step ;)
12:24:37LloreanSo the v3 script will have to recognize v1 and v2, and upgrade either, for it to be safe.
12:24:38GodEaterLlorean: that could be taken care of with CFP's idea for version stamping the WPS's though
12:24:56GodEateryou wouldn't apply the v1 script to a v2 wps
12:25:16GodEateror whatever
12:25:25CFPI think that last time WPS was updated by the script can give version info
12:25:49CFPI mean, we'd have a first script to update all current WPSs
12:25:54GodEaterthis is of course moot if the WPS changes are so sweeping it's not possible to write a nice script to fix them
12:25:59LloreanIt seems an overly complicated solution.
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12:26:25GodEaterLlorean: it might be hell to implement yes, but I think a lot of users would thank us
12:26:40GodEaterI've not really thought about all the details in any case
12:26:40CFPand then, each time an update is necessary, version n to version n+1 would be applied
12:27:02GodEaterand the WPS is just one example - the example in the post for a hypothetical rename of database.<thingy> files is another use case
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12:27:34LloreanGodEater: Agreed, a "check for old files, and rename, or remove no longer necessary ones" would be nice.
12:27:48GodEaterI think we had a similar case when we categorised the plugins
12:27:53LloreanYup
12:27:55GodEaterand when flashlight got renamed
12:28:19GodEaterso even leaving the WPS suggestion out
12:28:27GodEaterI think we have a valid feature request there for RBUtil
12:28:43CFPAlthough no solution was found for flashlight, right ?
12:28:44GodEaterit might be enough to make me actually use it for doing my own upgrades ;)
12:29:05GodEaterCFP, it was the same solution as for the categorised plugins - delete the old stuff manually
12:29:16GodEaterwhich is less than ideal
12:29:29CFPAnd I guess it was the same when we moved to bitmapstrips
12:30:30*GodEater wonders what bluebrother / domonoky will think when they hear all the work we've volunteered for them :)
12:31:22LloreanLast time I issued a feature request for RButil, it was implemented rather shortly thereafter. This has trained me to expect that every time I open my big mouth.
12:31:29GodEatera tricky decision will be, do we implement these "scripts" as something that RBUtil can execute itself, or do we want to rely on some external engine (e.g. python or perl) to do it ?
12:31:37pixelmameh. Can someone think of a reason why a sentence regarding where to get fonts is below a "Getting Extras" headline in the manual, followed by another section about fonts "Loading Fonts"? I'm a bit undecided what to do with it, thinking of teh Player manual
12:32:34pixelma"Getting Extras" just describes where to get the fonts package
12:32:49*GodEater curses his lack of svn access at work these days
12:32:58PaulJamGodeater: so when the renaming of for example the database.(un)ignore files would be committed, wouldn't almost all users still have a version of RBUtil installed that isn't aware of this change? or has it some kind of auto-update/update-notification feature?
12:32:59GodEateror he'd look at how complex it would be to implement this in some fashion himself
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12:33:26GodEaterPaulJam: clearly it would require a new version of RBUtil too, as there's no such feature for auto-update yet
12:33:38oboQT4 has a scripting language/engine...
12:34:05GodEaterobo, cool - how comprehensive is it ?
12:34:17obono idea, I just know it exists
12:36:42CFPI get a strange warning using 'make zip' : 'Warning: DWIDTH spec > max FONTBOUNDINGBOX'
12:38:47oboGodEater: looks like it can run any function you care to write in normal QT4 C++ (http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qtscript.html)
12:40:13markunCFP: oops, that's probably one of my commits from yesterday
12:40:30CFPok
12:41:01markunArabic glyphs in helvR12 by MTee
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12:50:09CFPHow do you insert a line feed in a twiki page table ?
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13:40:16LTouristhi there
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13:41:18GodEaterLTourist: hi
13:42:00LTouristhi GodEater :)
13:42:55LTouristmarkun are you here ?
13:46:45markunLTourist: yes
13:46:51LTourist:)
13:47:10LTouristhave you seen my PM on meizume ?
13:47:20markunno, I'll check it
13:47:43LTourist^^
13:48:26LTouristyou don't need to go there, I can repeat right now what I wrote in the PM you know ! :)
13:48:28markunwow, 3 unread messages
13:49:38markunLTourist: I did (and reverted) an accidental commit :)
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13:49:55markunotherwise there is no code yet in svn
13:50:24markunI thought it would be a bit premature if we didn't have any testcode running on the meizu
13:50:26LTouristno but if the target tree, configure etc is already here, why didn't you leave it
13:50:43markunbut it probably would help other people working on it
13:50:55LTouristwell, i think so
13:51:27LTouristdid you made so more test since last time ? (I think it was with the flashing screen)
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13:51:36markunSome rockbox devs will meet this weekend in Berlin. After that we can hopefully commit something
13:51:48LTourist:D
13:52:02markunno, I didn't have much time for the port
13:52:28LTouristSomebody stollen my m6sp, so I will buy another m6, but I don't know yet if i'll buy a sp or a sl
13:52:37LTouristok
13:53:07markunThe supplier here only had SL models left
13:53:46LTouristif you search right, you could still find some sp models, but that's hard!!!
13:54:58LTouristBy the way, I was thinking of taking 2 meizu : one for a continuous use, and another (cheapper i can find) to do some test and rockbox dev
13:55:11LTouristdo you think that's usefull ?
13:57:14markunmaybe if you can find a Meizu M3
13:57:24markunor an older TP or something?
13:57:59LTouristthe m3 is at the same price and have same hardware, no?
13:58:16LTouristfind a tp could be interessant has he didn't have the same screen
13:58:19markunI don't know about the price, but the hardware is very similar
13:58:47markunwell, even withing the SP and SL models there seem to be various screens
13:59:14LTouristyeah, they didn't have the same screen size
13:59:29markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeizuM6Port#Hardware
13:59:30LTouristsp is 2"4 and sl is 2"41
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14:00:31LTouristand I read several time than sl screen is better. We need to know if they use the same controller or not...
14:00:52LTouristyou write s6D0123/139 LCD-Driver
14:01:28LTouristis that supposed to mean that sp use the 129 one and sl use 139 ?
14:03:35markunno, I just wasn't sure which of the 2 it is
14:03:41LTouristok
14:04:07markunbut if you look in meizume you can find a lot of LCD drivers inits identified by kgb2008
14:04:35LTouristyeah I saw that he did a great work
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14:08:47LTouristI'm now at the stade where I configure my environnement ^^
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14:09:43LTouristbut vim is making trouble under cygwin, I'll certainly reboot under linux if I can't use vim as usual...
14:10:04markundeveloping in linux works better anyway I think
14:10:24markunif you don't want to reboot you could also use vmware
14:10:28LTouristI think so ^^
14:11:13LTouristerf, that's mean I need to reinstall all the stuf under a virtual machine... Stuff that I already installed for real under ubuntu ^^
14:12:27markunor use this image: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform
14:13:50LTouristI try this image few month ago, and I can't managed to get it work
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14:17:51LTouristjust a question : do you think m6 sp/tp build will be different as they use different hardware from the screen
14:18:31LTouristsame thing for sl as it use different hardware and hasn't the same button layout
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14:27:43wpyhhi
14:28:06wpyhmarkun: do you understand the code used to run arbitrary binaries, for the iriver t10?
14:28:33wpyhsince the iriver T series and the Meizu players are using samsung chips, we can probably use that
14:28:52wpyhso, no need to reflash the firmware everytime we want to test something
14:29:10wpyhunfortunately, I don't understand that code, and where to insert/patch it
14:29:26wpyh(it should replace a function called when decoding wma files)
14:31:27markunI didn't look at it in detail
14:31:44LTouristwpyh : where I can find this code ? I'm pretty sure I can't understand it, but I'm interessed in looking in :)
14:33:09wpyhhere: http://iriver-t10.sourceforge.net/
14:33:47wpyhmarkun: well, the instructions there are pretty clear −− the problem is: the OF that the author uses is not available
14:34:00wpyhso I can't figure out the hack
14:34:06LTouristthanks
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14:35:29markunwpyh: here you can find iriver firmwares if you are looking for it: http://nyaochi.sakura.ne.jp/iriverupdate/
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14:37:26wpyhmarkun: yes, that page is referenced in the sf.net site
14:37:48wpyhbut the exact firmware version that the author uses is no longer available (he used 1.73, the current version is 1.77)
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14:40:23LambdaCalculus37Morning, everyone! Someone want to have a peek at FS #9122?
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14:42:19wpyhanyone wants to have a peek at FS #9112? ;)
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14:42:47ArwulfGood morning...
14:43:04LambdaCalculus37wpyh: I'll take a peek, I guess. ;)
14:43:22Arwulfjust saying hello, as suggested by the wiki registration page
14:43:26gevaertswpyh: actually, I disagree with rasher's comment :)
14:43:41markunArwulf: you want write access?
14:43:49pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: I'm not sure (that's why I haven't commented on it) but wouldn't it break other displays? Thinking of type 0 ones with the older firmware
14:44:07Arwulfyes please. I fixed a theme to work with the current build and I would like to upload it.
14:44:16markunWhat's your wiki name?
14:44:22ArwulfWolfAlcourt
14:44:50LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I made mention of that on the Flyspray post.
14:45:10LambdaCalculus37I just want to see if people can help test the patch.
14:45:22markunArwulf: done
14:45:47Arwulfmarkun: many thanks
14:45:48markunalthough the wiki account doesn't seem to exist
14:45:58wpyh:)
14:46:12wpyhgevaerts: uh?
14:46:13Arwulfmarkun: my bad, I havent activated it yet...
14:46:25markunwell, when you do you will have write access :)
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14:46:34Arwulfthanks!
14:46:44gevaertswpyh: if there is a compiler in my PATH, that's because I want it to be there...
14:47:04*wpyh is confused
14:47:10*wpyh thinks both sides have good arguments
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14:48:26wpyhsadly components in PATH doesn't have an age
14:48:46wpyhi.e. whether they are there because of a "PATH=... make" or because it's system wide
14:49:32wpyhbut if you really want to use a specific compiler, you can always edit ~/.config/rockbox.org/RockboxCompilerPrefix :)
14:49:43gevaertsYes, but that's global again
14:49:46wpyhtherefore prepending the path is a better idea than appending it
14:50:05wpyhgevaerts: that's not global −− that's local to your account, and to the specific make/configure invocation
14:50:32gevaertswpyh: it's just as global as all my other environment settings
14:50:58*gevaerts thinks that prepending a PATH should only be done if that is the _only_ way to make something work
14:51:16kugelJdGordon: ping
14:51:41wpyhyes, it's at the same level as the other preference settings, but the difference is: it's only picked up when we compile rockbox, since other projects won't read ~/.config/rockbox.org/RockboxCompilerPath
14:51:56wpyhWell, I do feel that prepending the PATH is a brute-force fix
14:51:59JdGordonkugel: bleh
14:52:12kugelJdGordon: does the patch still not work for you?
14:52:20wpyhwell, send your comments in ;)
14:52:35JdGordonhavnt tested yet.. been busy
14:52:51wpyhI think prepending is better than appending, but I'm mostly impartial on this issue
14:53:07JdGordonkugel: I did have some questions about it though.... why should the bmp always be only as big as half the screen height? imo thats wrong
14:53:36kugelJdGordon: "always" means when resizing is enabled in the options
14:53:56JdGordonim tlaking about the max sixe defines at the top
14:54:05kugeldisabling resiting results in unaltered cover arts
14:54:18kugelresizing*
14:54:37kugelJdGordon: What size are you thinking of?
14:55:29kugelIn the previous patch I had another size (for each 100px height 50px cover height, e.g. 100 for e200)
14:55:29JdGordonwell... with the old patch, if the screen was larger than 100x100 it would use 100x100.... with your change, a screen of greater than 100x100 will use 50x50...(ish)
14:55:45JdGordonwhats the tracker number?
14:55:52kugel?
14:56:21kugelstill 8335
14:56:30gevaertswpyh: since your patch actually doesn't create this RockboxCompilerPrefix file, I won't complain either way. Nothing will change for me anyway
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14:57:22JdGordonkugel: im talking about the PREFERRED_IMG_HEIGHT define
14:57:24wpyhgevaerts: great :) at least no veto from the devs yet (although no one seems to like it very much...)
14:57:32kugelJdGordon: I know
14:57:50*GodEater doesn't want anything fiddling with his PATH
14:58:11*LambdaCalculus37 doesn't want to, either
14:58:17*gevaerts is proud of his PATH
14:58:33kugelJdGordon: i think, now as smooth scaling is in svn, we can use more flexible art sizes for picture flow to use the screen better
14:58:42GodEater /me is a follower of the light PATH
14:58:49JdGordonwell... i dont really mind lcd_height/2 but it should be always minimum of 50x50 (if the screen is beig enough)... also its possible than height/2 is bigger than width which will cause problems
14:59:06*wpyh hopes that doesn't mean a veto
14:59:29wpyhguys, gevaerts pointed out that the patch doesn't create the ~/.config/rockbox.org/RockboxCompilerPrefix file ;)
14:59:37kugelJdGordon: height/2 bigger than width? I highly doubt that'll happen
14:59:38JdGordonveto? we arnt a democracy that has such a thing....
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15:00:09wpyhJdGordon: I thought a veto is only available in a semi-democratic societies?
15:00:26*wpyh remembers reading the thread about deciding on the name "Rockbox" :)
15:00:29JdGordonwell... yes.. but we arnt that also :p
15:00:34kugelthat'd mean a producer chooses to use a aspect ratio of >=2:1 for the screen. Very unlikely
15:00:40JdGordonthats why we have so many open patches/requests still
15:00:47gevaertswpyh: actually, could you make the contents of RockboxCompilerPrefix something like 'prefix=/whatever', so that it could contain other settings as well ? If you do this, better do it in a future-proof way
15:01:01GodEaterRockbox is now, always has been, and always will be - a dictatorship
15:01:19JdGordonGodEater: with 84 dictators?
15:01:24GodEateryes :)
15:01:28gevaertsThe only problem is that nobody knows who the dictator is :)
15:02:00wpyhgevaerts: sure...
15:02:38wpyhGodEater: I can see that :p
15:02:40kugelJdGordon: I don't understand this: 50x50 (if the screen is beig enough). What would you prefer now? I mean, a screen with less than 100px height should use 50x50 but only if the screen is big enough??
15:03:31wpyhgevaerts: I'll need to think about it
15:03:38JdGordonkugel: a screen thats 75x75 should use 50x50... a screen that 120x120 should use 100x100... not 60x60...
15:04:14kugelJdGordon: and a screen with 128x96 (we have such one afaik)?
15:04:33JdGordon75x75?
15:04:41wpyhkugel: if we get RB on the T60, then we will get a 128x64 screen :p
15:04:41kugelbut I see, you basically want to fill the screen even more with the art
15:05:14kugelthe problem I see is though, that the covers at the side possibly aren't viewable then
15:05:34JdGordonah yes.. forgot about them...
15:05:37JdGordonI'd be inclined to actually leave it as it is
15:05:56kugelJdGordon: well I didn't :p
15:06:15JdGordonwell thats a shame :p
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15:07:08d34df00dWould you characterize the state of Creative ZV:M port as usable for everyday use?
15:07:19LambdaCalculus37Nope.
15:07:33kugelJdGordon: I just choosed /2 now, because we don't really need to use "round"(e.g. multiples of 25) sizes with smooth scaling
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15:07:39LambdaCalculus37There's no sound output, and installation requires you to rip open your ZVM.
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15:08:09d34df00dLambdaCalculus37: hm, that's not "usable" I think.
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15:08:28d34df00dAnd which player with big hard drive (>= 60 GB) would you recommend except for iPod?
15:08:42LambdaCalculus37With a less violent method of installation? :)
15:08:57d34df00dI've seen the page on rockbox.org, but devices recommended there aren't available.
15:09:00d34df00dLambdaCalculus37: yep :)
15:09:06LambdaCalculus37A Gigabeat F.
15:09:21LambdaCalculus37You can easily put a larger hard drive into one.
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15:09:58d34df00dLambdaCalculus37: seems like it's not available at all in a country where I live.
15:11:31d34df00dAnd rockbox doesn't work on ipod classic, right?
15:11:32LambdaCalculus37You can also try for an iriver H100 or H300 series.
15:11:36LambdaCalculus37No.
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15:13:31d34df00dAll players available here are either small 4-8GB flash stuff or huge multimedia centers :(
15:14:37LambdaCalculus37eBay!
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15:16:06d34df00dLambdaCalculus37: eh, it would take too long.
15:16:16d34df00dMaybe I should just replace the HDD in my almost dead iPod...
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15:20:59wpyhd34df00d: which ipod do you own?
15:21:15d34df00dwpyh: 80GB 5.5.
15:22:31wpyhgreat
15:22:49wpyhyou can use a cf card to substitute the hdd, as I did with mine
15:23:09wpyhthe problem with me is that I now have a useless hdd lying around
15:23:21d34df00dwpyh: it would work without any additional magic?
15:23:34wpyhyes
15:23:46wpyhthe only problem is that you need to look for a compatible cf card
15:24:13d34df00dwpyh: how would I now if a given card is compatible?
15:24:28wpyhhere: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CFModGuide
15:24:33d34df00dwpyh: and why you replaced the HDD?
15:24:49wpyhlook at the Compatibility Chart and Incompatibility Chart
15:25:00wpyhI replaced the hdd because I didn't like a moving part :p
15:25:14d34df00dwpyh: and where are you located?
15:25:21d34df00dIf you're near me, I'd buy it :)
15:25:29wpyhd34df00d: well, I'm in China...
15:25:44d34df00dwpyh: quite far... I'm in Russia.
15:26:07d34df00d32 GB isn't enough for all my music collection, I'd like to keep it all there.
15:26:10wpyhnot so near :p
15:26:32wpyh32GB _isn't_ enough?
15:26:46*wpyh is using a 8 GB cf card right now
15:27:06d34df00dwpyh: yes, it isn't. I've got 45 GB of almost continiously growing collection :)
15:27:14wpyhwow :p
15:27:43d34df00dwpyh: my friends think it's quite small collection. Some of them have got about 500 GB :)
15:27:45GodEater32GB isn't enough for mine either
15:27:52pixelmathat number doesn't mean much, it also depends on file type and bitrates...
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15:27:57GodEaterLOTS of people have huge music collections
15:28:02*wpyh thinks pixelma has a point
15:28:10GodEaterand if you prefer flac (or some other lossless format) you need oodles of space
15:28:12d34df00dAbout 6000 tracks, almost all are mp3/256, some are flac.
15:28:25d34df00dI consider converting flac to ogg/256.
15:28:29wpyh6000 tracks −− now that's a lot :p
15:28:47markund34df00d, wpyh: maybe something for #rockbox-community?
15:28:57wpyhmarkun: yeah...
15:29:03d34df00dmarkun: you mean, it's offtopic?
15:29:06wpyhlet's move to #rockbox-community ;)
15:29:07*GodEater has 5969 tracks currently
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15:30:17d34df00dRockbox's HDD is 50, 40 or 44 pin?
15:30:58wpyhd34df00d: it depends on the device
15:31:27d34df00dDamn.
15:31:34d34df00ds/Rockbox/iPod 80GB/
15:31:52wpyhoh
15:31:54LambdaCalculus37iPod videos uses ZIF.
15:31:56wpyhit's a ZIF
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15:32:27d34df00dwpyh: LambdaCalculus37: thanks.
15:35:31d34df00dTranscend TS32GCF133 would do for the iPod 5.5G? I don't see it in either chart.
15:35:43d34df00dBut similar card for 8 GB doesn't work... Hm...
15:36:39wpyhyeah, the transcend card doesn't work
15:36:42wpyhtry an apacer instead
15:36:52wpyhit's only a little bit more expensive than the transcend
15:37:12*d34df00d checks if it's available..
15:39:14d34df00dIt isn't but my friend has got a dead ipod 5.5g 80 gb with hdd in perfect shape.
15:39:29d34df00dThat's inexpressible :)
15:39:51wpyhhow do you know it's dead?
15:40:44d34df00dI've just talked with him (friend, not ipod).
15:41:13d34df00dThe board is somehow corrupted, and hdd is checked and error-free.
15:41:22merbzttalking to the ipod would have been so much cooler
15:42:41wpyhum...
15:42:46wpyhcorrupted?
15:42:51*wpyh has an idea ;)
15:43:09wpyhd34df00d: install RB on it and convince him that only RB can work on it! ;)
15:43:30d34df00dwpyh: yes, some stuff with circuitry. I don't know details is I have little knowledge in this area :)
15:43:41d34df00dwpyh: it doesn't even boot in disk mode :)
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15:45:43wpyhhow did it get broken?
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15:47:42d34df00dwpyh: don't know...
15:47:58d34df00dI'd ask on this week as we meet and reinstall the HDD to my ipod.
15:47:58wpyhwell :p
15:49:15*kugel wonders why MarcGuay reverted this "pointless change"
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20:38:47Synthrebehello
20:38:51Synthrebei have a question
20:39:08Synthrebei got my sansa e280 today
20:39:23Synthrebewhere is usb msc setting? cant reach it in settings
20:39:47bluebrotheris your sansa a v1? And if yes, what version is the firmware?
20:40:10Synthrebesansa v3.01.11e
20:40:10gevaertsAnd if unsure, what version is the firmware?
20:40:18LambdaCalculus37That's a v2. Rockbox will not run on it.
20:40:21bluebrotherthere was at least one (the latest? Not sure) that doesn't have the MSC setting anymore. In that case you'd need to downgrade the firmware
20:40:24Synthrebedamn
20:40:33bluebrother... and LambdaCalculus37 beat me with the v2 ;-)
20:40:38LambdaCalculus37;)
20:40:41Synthrebeis downgrading possible?
20:40:45LambdaCalculus37Nope.
20:41:15bluebrotherthe v2 is completely different hardware.
20:41:17Synthrebedamn i thought rocbox worked on all kinds of e sansa
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20:41:33bluebrotherno. The frontpage clearly states "not v2 models"
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20:41:41Synthrebeoh
20:41:56LambdaCalculus37And we have no idea when a version for the v2 hardware will be released.
20:42:05LambdaCalculus37Right now, no one is really working on it.
20:42:12Synthrebemeaning never
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20:42:34LambdaCalculus37No, meaning "just not right now, until someone steps up and starts doing the work".
20:42:35bluebrotherwell, some investigation has been made. Check the New Ports forums.
20:42:48Synthrebewell this trash sansa is gonna get it then.
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20:42:58iambeni heard Synthrebe has one, maybe he can work on it
20:42:58*Synthrebe gets a hammer
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20:43:54bluebrotherhmm, bootloader uninstallation hangs when there are insufficient permissions −− at least on linux for e200
20:44:29LambdaCalculus37Synthrebe: You know, iamben has a point.
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20:45:04iambeni wish i could but im stuck with this old v1 e280
20:45:22Synthrebethere are 2 e280?
20:45:43iambeni think mine is about a year old
20:46:05Synthrebe8 gb?
20:46:30iambenyes
20:46:39Synthrebe8gb here too
20:46:42Synthrebeno fm
20:47:09Synthrebei need to downgrade sansa firmware since nothing works
20:47:10gevaertsv1 and v2 have the same basic characteristics, but they use different chips to achieve those
20:47:15Synthrebeit wont even show up on pc
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20:48:15Synthrebewell im this close to trashing this player with a hammer
20:49:57scorche|shSynthrebe: dont do that...
20:50:23Synthrebewhy? nothing works plug in to USB nothing shows up in my computer
20:50:43scorche|shbecause a developer might want it?
20:50:44Synthrebethats prolly why rockbox can't be installed
20:50:57bluebrotheryou can always donate the player to someone interested in working on the port ...
20:50:58LambdaCalculus37No, that's not the reason.
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20:51:36Synthrebeehmm borrow it out till ports done?
20:51:44Synthrebesince im short of cash
20:52:01Synthrebesome idiots stole my old rockboxed e260 (i still suffer)
20:52:02bluebrother"since ports done" could be a long time.
20:54:20kugelyay, site's back again!
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20:56:57Synthrebeyea but if a dev would like to borrow it till a beta's out im all for it
20:57:54LambdaCalculus37Beta? We do betas? I thought we just did daily and SVN builds. ;)
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21:01:20Synthrebeok then a build then
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21:03:41Synthrebehmm how lovely , i just got myself a wortless device
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21:04:57Synthrebewhat happends if i try to downgrade btw?
21:05:03LambdaCalculus37Nothing will happen.
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21:05:16scorche|shSynthrebe: the issue is the hardware...not necessarily the firmware
21:05:46scorche|shSynthrebe: the v2 versions have a different range of version numbers, so that is how we tell
21:06:12Synthrebethey exchanged some chips?
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21:07:31scorche|shit is a good deal more than that, but sure
21:08:11Synthrebei got a feeling rockbox consumed less battery power too
21:09:54Synthrebei'll see maybe i can turn it in as defective
21:10:36Synthrebesince it never shows up
21:12:06bluebrotherwell, if it's MTP you need WMP10 or something like that speaking MTP
21:13:00SynthrebeMedia Transfer Protocol sucks
21:13:40*LambdaCalculus37 directs Synthrebe to #rockbox-moan-and-groan
21:13:47crzyboysterAnyone know why this WPS is breaking? > http://pastebin.ca/1056617
21:14:19LambdaCalculus37crzyboyster: You saw that conditional viewports were committed on Monday, correct?
21:14:28Synthrebethats it im sending it back to store and get money back
21:14:44crzyboysterYes
21:15:01Synthrebeif that wont work im gonna practice my hammer over it
21:15:14LambdaCalculus37There's some info here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17348.0
21:16:06LambdaCalculus37Synthrebe: Stop talking about violence against DAPs. If your Sansa is not working for you, then you should ask somewhere else for assistance, like the Anythingbutipod forums.
21:17:02crzyboysterIf there are too many images in a theme buffer, will the theme break completely?
21:17:09SynthrebeI will , thx for info guys im outta here
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21:17:48LambdaCalculus37crzyboyster: To be honest, JdGordon is really the man to talk to.
21:17:54PaulJamcrzyboyster: the "%m|16|" from line 48 has to go
21:18:07LambdaCalculus37PaulJam: Ahh, thanks for covering! ;)
21:19:10crzyboysterThanks, guys!
21:22:24crzyboysterWhat exactly was that "%m|16|" ? Was that some old code?
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21:23:37PaulJama 16 pixel margin, but the same can now be archieved with viewports.
21:24:06crzyboysterCool
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21:26:52crzyboysterAnd will the multifont patch be committed anytime soon?
21:28:12amiconnDo I just need to run rockboxdev.sh in order to get the full set of crosscompilers built?
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21:30:37LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Yep. Just ask it to build all of them.
21:31:48phixxorhey I'm about to buy an mp3 player to use rockbox on −− I'm just wondering if you have any recommendations concerning audio quality, space, or available codecs for any models
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21:32:20phixxorlike which mp3 players have the best line out sound quality and can play flac
21:32:28phixxorwith decent amount of storage space
21:32:33domonokyphixxor: take a look at : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=BuyersGuide
21:32:39phixxorthanks :)
21:34:06PaulJamfor line out quality the h100 would probably win, beacuse it has a S/PDIF line out.
21:35:14phixxorthanks :)
21:35:26phixxorhopefully this will be how I listen to music in the car
21:35:35phixxorplug it into the car stereo somehow
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21:52:59phixxorhmm h100s don't seem to be readily available
21:53:02phixxorat least not on amazon
21:54:00PaulJamnone of the targets rockbox runs on are in production. try ebay.
21:54:21phixxorthanks
21:55:03gevaertsAlso don't search for h100, that's the generic name for the series. Try h120, h140, ihp120 or ihp140
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21:59:08phixxorI guess the easiest thing would be if I had bought one when they were available
21:59:36goffajust curious.. how long have these keymaps been available?
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21:59:39goffahttp://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17771
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22:05:54BigBambipixelma: speaking of keymaps, I still think you should commit your c200 changes :)
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22:06:39LloreanMaybe we should discuss keymap policy/theory at DevCon
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22:08:09pixelmaBigBambi: thanks for your opinion, I'll keep that in mind
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22:08:30Lloreanpixelma: Just for the record, I haven't tried your patch, but read the description and it makes sense.
22:08:58BigBambiThe c200 keymap as it is confused the hell out of me when I first tried to use it
22:09:06BigBambiThe patch makes it *much* better
22:09:53siloGood evening, I'd like to request write permission to the Wiki and I believe this is the place to request it :)
22:10:02BigBambisilo: What is your wiki name?
22:10:08pixelmaI'm still not satisfied with the virtual keyboard and the recording screen keymap updates might have a problem in case there will be a "normal" menu one day
22:10:09siloSiloSpen
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22:11:18Lloreanpixelma: The recording screen needs a pretty big rework in general, though, I think. It and the FM screen don't work like the rest of Rockbox in my opinion. Most of the trends for controls last even in plugins more or less, but often not in those.
22:11:22BigBambisilo: Out of interest, what are you looking to modify?
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22:12:19SiloSpenBigBambi: I'd like to investigate the possibility of a rockbox port to the Sandisk Sansa Express. The info page doesn't contain the PCB images located in the ABI forums and so I'd like to start there
22:12:26BigBambiSiloSpen: cool
22:13:00BigBambiSiloSpen: OK, done - promise not to spam!
22:13:03SiloSpenMy gut instinct tells me it's probably not going to come to fruition, but it's worth a try :)
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22:13:18SiloSpenThanks a lot BigBambi. And I promise!
22:13:26BigBambiCool, have fun :)
22:14:00LloreanHave we identified the Express' chipset yet?
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22:14:43SiloSpenSTMP3600 is the chipset, I believe
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22:15:01SiloSpenUnless I'm getting confused between my chips
22:15:08*Zagor ponders if he'll be able to give away his TraxAudio mStation this year. Any takers? :)
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22:16:06*Bagder watches silence ;-)
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22:16:26*BigBambi doesn't even know what that is :)
22:16:33pixelmawas that the car radio?
22:16:51Zagoryeah. also known as SSI Neo-35: http://www.ssiamerica.com/products/neo35/
22:17:20Zagorruns "openneo", which is an old rockbox fork
22:17:49Zagor(can run, I haven't actually installed it)
22:19:17ZagorI bought the thing years ago to make proper rockbox run on it, but in the end I couldn't be bothered...
22:19:44amiconnMight be quite difficult, actually
22:19:53amiconnThe thing only has 256KB RAM iirc
22:20:40Bagderright, but with a spinning hard disk :-)
22:20:42Zagoryep, but it also never spins down so it only needs a very small buffer.
22:20:57amiconnI'm more concerned about rockbox itself
22:20:58goffaack.. phone...
22:21:15amiconnIt probably needs cutting quite some stuff
22:21:33Zagoramiconn: well this was a long time ago
22:21:37goffawas going to ask if i needed fs8396
22:21:43amiconnWhat features does it have? Just playback? And what kind of display?
22:21:56goffasince long/short right was already there
22:22:07goffaor am i missing something
22:22:21Zagoramiconn: playback only, charcell display
22:22:37amiconnHmm, so it should be similar to the Player
22:23:10Zagoryes, it's pretty much identical. the biggest difference is the ram and the 4-line display
22:23:13amiconnMAS3507 + DAC3550?
22:23:16Zagoryup
22:23:19goffai love that patch.. would love to see it in the main tree
22:23:39Zagor...and different buttons of course
22:23:43amiconnMaking voice work might be somewhat challenging
22:23:52goffatotally solves the "handing the player to an idiot" problem :)
22:23:55amiconnMaybe loading clips individually
22:24:11LTouristmarkun, if you still here, i'll appreciate if you can send me what you've already did on the simulator and target tree for example, even if it's wrong... It's just to see and to make the environnement more familiar ;)
22:24:52HAMANhey guys, sorry for askin this here, off topic, but anyone know how i can get data (music) off of a vista hd thats pluged into an xp sys. ? i tried lookin all over, not finding anything
22:25:18*amiconn wonders how they're doing 2 minutes anti-shock with just 256KB ram
22:25:25amiconnThat can't be right...
22:25:34LloreanHAMAN: Do not ask off-topic questions in here.
22:25:52phixxoralright, I'm kind of confused −− what is the difference between a regular headphone jack and the outputs the iriver h100 series provides
22:26:15Zagoramiconn: where does it say that?
22:26:18Lloreanphixxor: In terms of physical shape, signal, or what?
22:26:24amiconnhttp://www.ssiamerica.com/products/neo35/specification.shtml
22:26:30phixxorshape and quality
22:26:34phixxorand what you can use it with
22:26:35bluebrotherphixxor: speaking about line out or phone out?
22:26:45phixxorline out I think
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22:26:49gevaertsphixxor: the h100 has a regular headphone jack, regular line in and line out (same jack as the headphone), and optical digital line in and out
22:26:51phixxorI don't know anything about phone out
22:26:56HAMANbah
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22:27:30Zagoramiconn: that page also says "Built-in 1MB Buffer"
22:27:32phixxorso if I had a device with a digital optical line in, I could use the h100
22:27:39amiconnBuilding all crosscompilers on the VM took 50 minutes...
22:27:41phixxorotherwise it would be useless to me
22:27:47phixxor?
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22:28:13Lloreanphixxor: It has a standard headphone jack
22:28:20phixxorright
22:28:26Zagoranyway, I guess it stays in the trash bin :)
22:28:50LloreanIt also has a port that is the same shape as a standard headphone jack, but is designed to be fed into a line in, expecting different resistance. This jack also doubles as an optical jack for if you have something with an optical input.
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22:29:07phixxorah, thanks! that makes sense
22:29:33phixxordo you know offhand the types of devices with optical input?
22:29:41LloreanThere are loads.
22:30:07bluebrotherand the headphone out has a special extension to plug the remote. But you can still plug in a standard 3.5mm jack
22:30:08phixxorcomputers, car stereos, what :)
22:30:08LloreanIt's a common output/input in home theatre gear.
22:30:14phixxorah
22:30:30LloreanAs well, many modern computer sound cards have some form of digital audio jack. If not optical usually a small converter will work.
22:31:17Lloreanthe advantage of it is that the signal is digital, so you're not degrading sound quality over that part of the signal path, and can have a higher quality DAC do the conversion to analog at the other end.
22:31:34phixxoryeah :)
22:31:42phixxorif I'm going to be using flacs with this
22:31:58phixxorI don't want to use an analog connection if I can avoid it
22:32:23phixxorthe only problem is the only thing that seems to have this is the h100
22:32:35phixxorand there aren't many left :P
22:32:42phixxor(with rockbox)
22:33:21amiconnHmm, rockboxdev.sh doesn't clean up after building :/
22:33:30LloreanYes, unfortunately most MP3 players are portable, and designed to interact with portable hardware. They expect you to buy a set-top box or similar for that sort of thing
22:33:30goffalol.. i just sold mine 2 months ago for $100
22:33:40Bagderamiconn: no, that's on purpose
22:33:41goffawas to a friend though...
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22:33:46amiconnwhy?
22:33:50Bagderfor debugging, or additional stuff or whatever
22:34:02phixxoryea
22:34:02goffah140 that is
22:34:11amiconnImho it'd make sense to clean up if everything went ok
22:34:14phixxorwish I had cool firends
22:34:17phixxorlol
22:34:17Bagderbut I guess we know it works by now ;-)
22:34:35Bagderphixxor: hey, we all do. That's why we hang out here ;-P
22:34:44phixxorlol
22:35:22phixxorso if I could get an h100 and a digital line in car stereo, I could have digital audio in my car
22:35:25phixxorthat would be good
22:36:08gevaertsThat would basically be the best you can get, yes
22:36:43LloreanFLAC digitally into a digital line in on the player should be bit identical, in theory, to having the original CD in the player.
22:36:56LloreanOf course, the H120 can carry a lot more CDs than the average car stereo, at least
22:37:04goffapossibly better if you get native 24/96 flacs
22:37:22goffawhich are rare, but some exist
22:37:22phixxorhow are those different from normal flacs
22:37:30Lloreangoffa: Uhm, I said "original CD".... native 24/96 flacs didn't come from an original Cd.
22:37:56SiloSpenEvidently I have a lot of stuff to read, however the new port page worries me a little. Tracing with multimeters and hardware emulators? Is that necessary on such a small device?
22:38:04Lloreanphixxor: He just means if you have FLACs of a higher quality audio source than standard CD audio.
22:38:07goffayeah.. i know they didn't.. but you can have "better than cd"
22:38:26gevaertsSiloSpen: that depends. If you're lucky it isn't needed
22:38:38LloreanSiloSpen: Why would the size of the device matter as to whether the information needs to be known?
22:38:41goffawell.. assuming you can find any.. i think flac.sourceforge.net used to have some links
22:38:41phixxorthat would be cool though
22:39:02SiloSpenWell, lets hope I'm lucky :)
22:39:33bluebrotherBagder: maybe make rockboxdev.sh accept a "clean up" switch?
22:39:55Bagderyeah, or possibly even a question
22:40:15goffaof course.. doubt you could hear the difference in a car
22:40:18phixxorI was thinking about looking for a car stereo that reads dvds and flacs
22:40:21SiloSpenLlorean: As a novice to the game, this may be entirely incorrect. However, it seems to me that the smaller the device is, the more integrated into a single chip the electronics are. If that's true then the less worrying about connections needs to be done
22:40:25phixxorbut if it exists it's rare
22:40:43phixxordap would be easier than disks anyway
22:41:13goffaphixxor: 2 players are listed here: http://flac.sourceforge.net/links.html for car stereo that is
22:41:26goffanice to see they gave a mention to rockbox on daps too
22:41:28phixxoryeah looked at that, one's russian and the other is discontinued :)
22:42:00goffayeah.. aux in is much easier to come by
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22:42:06goffathats the route i went
22:43:29LloreanSiloSpen: There's some logic to that, but unless it eliminates hardware external to the SoC entirely, other issues than the size of the player will determine whether tracing is needed.
22:44:01goffafunny flac is what turned me to rockbox.. now i don't use flac on the dap
22:44:28goffawell.. flac and musepack
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22:45:06SiloSpenThat makes sense, Llorean. Thanks for the explanation :)
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22:45:33LloreanSiloSpen: Still, as gevaerts said you can get lucky and not need any.
22:45:58SiloSpenWell, I'll find out tomorrow when I get started on this thing. Thanks again to everyone for being so helpful.
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22:48:20markunLTourist: can it wait till after the weekend?
22:48:37markunI need to get my tree in sync but I'm busy packing for the trip tomorrow
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22:50:09LTouristyeah, sure, no problem ^^
22:50:16LTouristI'm just curious
22:50:48LTouristby the way, I just remember something... The m6 use a 90 flipped screen
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22:51:32crzyboysterI'm trying to make my WPS work like cabbiev2 with viewports. Basically, I want the text to be centered when there is no album art and when there is, it should be right aligned. Here's my code > http://pastebin.ca/1056687
22:51:50LTouristI don't know If you know what I mean : that's why you need to rotate video when transfering to the m6. I hope this would not be a major problem when the driver will be coded
22:52:27BagderLTourist: you mean the OF shows it rotated or that the screen is actually physically rotated?
22:53:20LTouristI don't really know...
22:54:12BagderLTourist: as long as we figure out how to program the lcd controller, the rotation doesn't really matter but is just for us to decide on
22:55:11LTouristcan you explain "just for us to decide on" ? Sometimes, I have some lacks in my english comprehension (and expression too ^^ )
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22:55:43markunLTourist: we will use the display as 320x240, even if it's 240x320
22:56:31crzyboysterIt shows fine when there is album art, but when there is no album art available, all of the viewport conditional text doesn't appear. Any idea why?
22:56:46markunLTourist: the Gigabeat has a 240x320 screen for example, but we display videos rotated. Works fine.
22:57:43LTouristmarkun : ok ok ^^ Thanks for these precisions :)
22:57:49PaulJamcrzyboyster: a "%" is missing in line 27.
22:58:20markungevaerts: I packed my Autobahn CD of course :) Which ones are you brining?
22:58:29markunoops, wrong channel
22:59:06crzyboysterYou're a genius, PaulJam!
22:59:08LTouristI would really help rockbox making the m6 port or other stuff, but I'm affraid that I don't have the required skills to do this...
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23:13:34markunLTourist: there are always things to do lateron
23:13:34pareidoliaHi all
23:13:38markunhi pareidolia
23:13:52pareidoliaAnyone here using Rockbox on a 3rd gen iPod ?
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23:16:31LTouristmarkun : but I think that could be interessting to code some drivers or stuff like that, even more when I would make embedded developpement my work...
23:17:41markunbtw, someone sent me a driver for the touchpad
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23:18:22LTouristthat a great news!!! the tp/sp one or the sl? (qt411 or qt1106)
23:18:37markunlet me check :)
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23:19:32markunvery simple driver, used for linux I think. but saves us some work.
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23:19:57LTouristok, when you'll send me all the stuff, don't forget to include this too, I'll try to read and understand most of code I can. It would be great if I could at least understand how the whole thing works :)
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23:21:11LTouristI'm looking at the gigabeat lcd driver at the moment : that's not so hard to understand, but I can't figure how can it be possible to code this from the datasheet ^^
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23:28:12BagderGodEater: you still here?
23:29:13*Bagder will get back tomorrow instead
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23:31:37pixelmanice typing while crawling ;)
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23:32:41BdN3504hey guys i have a question concerning wps
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23:35:08BdN3504i want to use the conditional albumart command as follows:
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