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#rockbox log for 2008-06-27

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00:05:09xxbatman94xxhello peeps
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00:11:19xxbatman94xxhey i got the new ipod 4g lcd patch were should i put it on my ipod?
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00:14:34PaulJamyou don't put the patch on your ipod, you apply it to the sourcecode and compile the sourcecode.
00:15:05xxbatman94xxyea i just realized that :P how exactly am i supposed to do that? o.O
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00:16:13ZincAlloycheck this out: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
00:16:24xxbatman94xxThanks :D
00:16:47ZincAlloythe "getting started & compiling" forum will be helpful as well
00:17:35xxbatman94xxokay gotta go to band practice thanks again
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00:17:55PaulJambtw, in the forum thread someone has provided a precompiled build with the patch from fs#9122. see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17158.45
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01:00:31pixelmaJdGordon|zzz: the boxes.176x132x16.wps (Nano) contains cabbiev2 code. Just noticed while compiling a bunch of simulators
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01:02:11pixelmaI wonder why it was changed anyways
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01:04:46webguest82hello
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01:05:00webguest82can anyone tell me who is actively working on the USB support in sansa players?
01:07:03advcomp2019webguest82, why? is there anything you need?
01:07:43webguest82i want to help develop the USB support...I think currently it only detects USB
01:07:45webguest82doesnt do anything
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01:08:00webguest82is there someone working on implementing this... or is it not very important?
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01:08:30advcomp2019the person that is working on it is sleeping but there is only a few bugs the last i knew
01:09:26webguest82you mean there is read/write support implemented?
01:10:16advcomp2019no but you need to enable it tho by building your own build.. hold on there is a wiki about this
01:11:53advcomp2019here is a the wiki page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb
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01:13:54webguest82ok thanks
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02:11:37xqtftqxGuys isnt pacbox a mame emulator?
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02:13:38xqtftqxnvm i found the wiki
02:15:15xqtftqxCan rockbox read assembly?
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02:46:23MarcGuayI guess the topic can be changed.
02:46:52MarcGuayDo the manuals get built at a specific time every day, and if so, when?
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03:27:24MU{lappy}"read assembly"?
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03:40:40hurricanegeek921MY IPOD BROKE FROM THIS DAMNTHING
03:41:09hurricanegeek921I tried it not to long ago. 30 min ago
03:41:30scorche|shno it didnt
03:42:15scorche|shcan you describe what is happening?
03:42:28hurricanegeek921not really
03:43:06saratoga_then no one can help you
03:43:34hurricanegeek921But I fixed it
03:43:40scorche|sh...
03:43:41hurricanegeek921thank u directons!
03:43:49hurricanegeek921G2G! I like u guys. peaceout
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03:44:06saratoga_we need a support channel
03:44:58MarcGuayx2
03:46:19scorche|shwell, we are going to talk about it :)
03:46:41scorche|shalthough i do know there are people both for and against
03:48:16MU{lappy}does "developers talk here, users talk here, users needing help talk here" work for *any* project?
03:48:27MarcGuayscorche: I wonder if it'll cause a lot of people to just ignore it.
03:48:41MU{lappy}mplayer and mythtv certainly get their share of user questions on the dev-only mail lists
03:49:04scorche|shMarcGuay: i knwo a few who would skip the support/general channel and join only the dev channel if this were to go through
03:49:13scorche|shbut i am interested to see how the talks come out
03:49:29scorche|shi tried for this...a year or so ago?
03:49:36scorche|shmaybe less
03:50:06MarcGuayIt seems that here the anger inspires people to help, and get rid of people and their problems, faster.
03:50:16MarcGuayHard to say.
03:52:08MarcGuayI think the strong argument is that it's a waste of time, energy, and space to have logs of support questions.
03:52:38saratoga_i just want support unlogged
03:53:01saratoga_and anyway, developers don't contribute a huge amount of support anyway, there seems to be a second group which does only a little development but a lot of support
03:53:59saratoga_so i don't see it as a huge hindrance that support isn't logged
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03:54:11saratoga_someone will just post it to the dev channel if its important anyway
03:54:47scorche|shwell, part of it is that some people think that one more channel is a hassle and the "support channel" would be a nice easy one to drop
03:55:07scorche|shthe issue is that it can have a separation and developers may not be aware of some issues as much as they would
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03:56:13SynthrebeHow do i find out when sansa e series of players are V1 or V2 when buying?
03:56:39Synthrebecause i definately don't wanna get V2 , its incompatible with everything.
03:56:47saratoga_check the firmware version
03:57:04saratoga_i don't see how having more then one channel is a hassle
03:57:10saratoga_if you don't like it, just don't read it problem solved
03:57:41Synthrebei mean when its for sale on the net
03:57:47saratoga_and anyway, given that rockbox-community has people in it, theres obviously plenty who don't mind
03:57:48Synthrebeon sites etc
03:57:51saratoga_you can't
03:58:23Synthrebeyea but rockbox aint gonna be made anytime in near future for that sansa
03:58:34MU{lappy}if it's not new, you could ask the seller
03:58:52Synthrebeokay what versions are v1?
03:59:42MarcGuaySynthrebe: They start with v1.
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04:00:16MarcGuaysaratoga_: This is good fodder for your position.
04:00:52Synthrebeso i take it , i have to buy second hand
04:01:04MarcGuaySynthrebe: If you want to be sure.
04:01:08saratoga_yes I'm getting tired of reading through 10 pages of formatting ipods to find 2 lines about someone asking about something I actually work on
04:01:52Synthrebeyeah rather that then wait 5 years for v2 version to emerge :)
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04:02:30saratoga_not to mention that guy who came in, asked about the wma codec for use on some embedded system, and missed my reply under a birrage of CF replacement crap that was interesting to exactly 1 person
04:02:39saratoga_never saw him again
04:03:04Synthrebeyou know about sansalinux?
04:03:16saratoga_sure but this isn't the place to talk about it
04:03:20Synthrebeseems to be ran under a hacked rockbox bootloader
04:03:30Synthrebeahh #sansalinux?
04:03:51scorche|shSynthrebe: this is #rockbox...for talking about (surprisingly): rockbox
04:03:56*wpyh thinks CF replacement is not crap
04:04:18Synthrebeso why did sandisk make this update to sansa players?
04:04:30Synthrebei mean plenty got their players for rockbox
04:04:49phixxorhey this isn't exactly rockbox related, but I'd like to get a digital audio player similar to the iriver h100 series that might be supported by rockbox in the future
04:04:57phixxorthe h100s are just too hard to come by
04:05:53phixxormost important part is all the inputs and outputs for recording and connecting to different sound systems
04:06:11saratoga_if that means digital in, I don't think any such player exists
04:06:34saratoga_sandisk probably released the V2 because the CPUs in the V1 were apparently discontinued
04:06:48phixxorwell digital in wouldn't be too useful
04:06:52phixxorbut digital out is
04:07:09phixxorand mic inputs would be great for speech recording
04:07:09saratoga_i don't think theres any upcoming players with that
04:07:18phixxor:(
04:07:21MarcGuayphixxor: I see them on eBay all the time.
04:07:29phixxorthere's one on ebay today
04:07:31phixxorbut just one
04:07:46phixxorand it's gone up $40 in the 2 hours I checked
04:07:57Synthrebesansa view seems cool
04:08:07phixxorheh why would anyone discontinue such a good product
04:08:09Synthrebebut also v2 i presume
04:08:16phixxorI'll check them out
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04:08:27MU{lappy}you could try to add USB audio support to one of the players w/ USB OTG hardware :/
04:08:38phixxorhow does usb audio work?
04:08:52phixxor(if there's a guide I'll read it to save you some trouble)
04:09:11saratoga_i guess you send PCM over the USB interface
04:09:29phixxorthat actually sounds really good
04:09:39phixxorand I could use any rockbox compatible player
04:09:42MU{lappy}i mean, some newer hardware has support for acting as a USB host. you could plug a USB soundcard into one of those, if you teach rockbox to talk to a USB soundcard first.
04:09:45MU{lappy}not *any*.
04:10:59MarcGuayphixxor: Do you live in the US?
04:11:03phixxoryea
04:11:20MarcGuayphixxor: http://cgi.ebay.com/IRIVER-H120-20GB-MP3-JUKEBOX_W0QQitemZ320267770436QQihZ011QQcategoryZ114622QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
04:12:13MU{lappy}i don't think rockbox has the ability to do *anything* w/ usb host hardware right now, correct?
04:12:13phixxorthanks :)
04:12:42phixxorhmm
04:13:01phixxorso I wouldn't be able to plug the usb cord into something, press play, and expect to hear music?
04:13:08saratoga_not without writing a driver
04:13:22Synthrebehmm if someone ports v2 how would it bring back usb file transfer and detection possibilities?
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04:13:41MU{lappy}i was saying it's a *possibility* with some hardware, but only after somebody writes the code
04:13:53phixxorhmm
04:14:15saratoga_and pretty much that would mean a gigabeat S right now, since its the only device with which we have any real software USB support
04:14:25saratoga_or at least stable support
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04:14:31Synthrebemaybe use old driver if some hardware is the same?
04:14:50saratoga_well the problem with that is that we've never written a driver, so we have no old ones
04:15:09Synthrebesansa's own then?
04:15:25saratoga_wait what are you asking?
04:15:43Synthrebesay u take usb driver from v1 for sansa firmware
04:15:45Synthrebeput in v2
04:15:56Synthrebefile transfer possibility
04:16:10saratoga_if they used the same hardware, and you wrote a V1 driver that worked, that could be an option
04:16:26Synthreberip the old one?
04:16:43saratoga_well, given that it doesn't work at the moment, thats probably not the best option
04:16:54phixxorhmm I've read that people are able to connect their ipods to some car stereo systems through usb −− is that theoretically possible with rockbox so I could use flacs?
04:17:01saratoga_though I guess whatever issue it has might be specific to the PP CPUs, and not AMS
04:17:20saratoga_i think all that does is mount the device as a UMS disk
04:17:31saratoga_so if your stereo plays flac, probably
04:17:39phixxorah
04:17:47phixxormost car stereos don't
04:18:00phixxorsigh this is why the aux out - aux in solution sounded the best to me
04:18:19saratoga_all rockbox targets can do AUX
04:18:23Synthrebeahh u guys tried already
04:18:31saratoga_though some only through the headphone jack on some
04:18:32phixxoryeah that's the good news
04:18:46phixxorbut not all daps have digital out
04:18:53phixxorand that's what I want to use if possible
04:18:54saratoga_AUX isn't digital, but yeah
04:18:56phixxoro
04:19:01phixxorgot them confused then
04:19:03phixxor:p
04:19:17saratoga_AUX is a headphone jack with a higher impedance
04:20:26phixxoris this digital? S/PDIF
04:21:04saratoga_yes
04:21:17phixxorso far the iriver is the only thing I have seen with those
04:21:24MU{lappy}does your car have S/PDIF?
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04:22:03phixxorI was going to replace the headunit or whatever it's called with one that does
04:22:08MU{lappy}phixxor: a lot of people listen to their DAP on headphones. you often get AUX, digital, etc, on a dock, special cable, or not at all.
04:22:21MU{lappy}you could get one that can play files from a USB MSC device.
04:22:35MU{lappy}that's getting even more offtopic though.
04:23:55phixxorso my choices at this point are get a car stereo syste that reads flacs from a USB MSC device or one that has S/PDIF
04:24:06phixxorand then get the appropriate dap
04:25:47*scorche|sh isnt sure this really qualifies as on-topic anymore
04:27:15*phixxor does not want to offend, drops it
04:27:54scorche|shwell, we do have an offtopic/social channel..
04:27:56MU{lappy}just take it to #rockbox-community?
04:28:20scorche|shsure, just make sure that if it becomes rockbox related again to bring it back =P
04:28:22phixxorsounds good, are you guys in there too?
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04:29:06MU{lappy}ok, time to look @ porting sbagen as a plugin :/
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04:42:29Capn_FishI had rockbox working fine on my iRiver h10 5GB, but messed it up and reformatted. After recovering the h10.mi4 file, I unzipped the rockbox archive to the device. It now says "no partition found. Insert USB cable and fix it"
04:42:35Capn_FishWhat did I do wrong?
04:42:57Capn_FishIt knows that the partition exists, else it couldn't boot from it, no?
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04:46:54Capn_FishAnybody?
04:48:37advcomp2019Capn_Fish, just hold on
04:48:46Capn_Fishkk
04:48:51Capn_FishThank you much
04:50:37advcomp2019since i do not have an h10, i do not know what is going on.. you might have to wait for someone else might know why tho
04:50:54Capn_FishOK.
04:51:07Capn_FishIt's not all that urgent. I don't use my player much
04:51:18Capn_FishI assume it will be fixed eventually?
04:51:50MU{lappy}somebody will probably eventually see your question who is able to help
04:52:10Capn_FishCool. I'll hang out here as long as I can, then
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05:54:59wpyhuh... I think I bricked my T60
05:55:01wpyh:p
05:56:46wpyhI patched the OF wrongly
05:58:28wpyhany ideas on how to activate the dfu mode?
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06:04:14MU{lappy}would any dev care to say whether a plugin or a codec would be more appropriate for sbagen? the files are essentially scripts for generating audio, they don't necessarily have a fixed runtime, and they may describe the audio to generate in terms of current wall-clock time rather than playback position. probably plugin?
06:20:26saratoga_i think codecs are supposed to have fixed runtime, so plugin would be my guess
06:20:46saratoga_theres really no way to figure out how long the script is without decoding it? seems like something that would go into a header
06:23:40MU{lappy}saratoga_: that's not the issue, the issue is that the script might not *have* an end-time.
06:23:43sarixeany progress on porting to ipod classic?
06:23:53MU{lappy}ie, it can be intended to run until you stop it.
06:24:18saratoga_the mod codec is like that too i think
06:24:25saratoga_i believe the decoder just ignores loops
06:24:41saratoga_sarixe: see the forums thread
06:24:50sarixelink?
06:24:50BHSPitLappyalso the vgm plugins
06:25:06MU{lappy}the other issue is that, as i said, it might be wall-time based, rather than playback-position based
06:25:08BHSPitLappysarixe, search? :/
06:25:17sarixeO.o alright...
06:25:23saratoga_i don't have the link memorized
06:25:25MU{lappy}ie, script might be "what to play at 1pm, what to play at 2pm(...)"
06:25:37saratoga_ah
06:25:39MU{lappy}so, plugin, then, eh?
06:25:42saratoga_yeah that sounds more like a plugin
06:26:59MU{lappy}there's also the issue that a script *can* specify a wav or vorbis file to mix in, and that sbagen uses those in ways other than play-straight-through
06:27:24saratoga_plugins can invoke codecs, the test_codec plugin does that
06:27:51saratoga_though i don't know how much of the playback engine they can actually touch
06:28:04MU{lappy}yeah, i think i might need to link tremor in for this
06:28:37MU{lappy}is slices and crossfades segments of the specified file at random to create something continuous - think background noise, basically.
06:29:16MU{lappy}like i said, i'd probably port w/o the mixfile feature to start w/ :/
06:29:44saratoga_as long as you only need to decode one file at a time, you can probably make do with codecs
06:31:27MU{lappy}i'll need to be able to get the decoded audio for an arbitrary segment of the file in a buffer, basically. i'll poke around the wiki, i guess, when i have time to start.
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06:35:16zecool... seen the name somewhere but apparently hadn't caught what it was
06:35:21zeerg woops
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08:23:40JUSTWJXHello everybody?
08:26:00markunhi JUSTWJX
08:26:27JUSTWJXalive~~
08:27:09JUSTWJXmarkun , your nickname looks so....
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08:28:42JUSTWJXare a Rockbox webmaster?
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08:29:23JUSTWJXZZzz...
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08:30:16advcomp2019JUSTWJX, you have a question?
08:31:18JUSTWJXer....
08:31:41JUSTWJXNot really a problem
08:32:12JUSTWJXMeizu M6....
08:32:41markunJUSTWJX: the plan is to do some work in the port this weekend
08:32:53markunhopefully we can report some progress
08:33:28JUSTWJXoh
08:33:48JUSTWJXReally? Great!!
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08:35:12JUSTWJXThe status of the progress has not updated for a long time~~
08:36:01JUSTWJXMaybe the M6 user is so poor~~
08:36:14markunWe were just all very busy with other things
08:36:38JUSTWJXI understand~~
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08:38:07std|denishello, guys
08:38:27JUSTWJXhey~
08:38:47std|denisi wonder if iRiver H1xx series support a separated audio output streams?
08:39:08std|denisfor headphones and line-out lines
08:39:40JUSTWJX......
08:39:55markunstd|denis: no, that's not possible.
08:40:05markun(because of the hardware)
08:40:07std|denisor they are just a two lines from the same output of the audio chip?
08:40:18markunexactly
08:40:34std|denisyeah, it's pity
08:40:38std|denismarkun: thanks
08:40:46markunno problem
08:42:20amiconnmarkun: You'll bring the Meizu?
08:42:47amiconnAh, the wiki page says so
08:42:49pixelmahe said he wanted to do some Meizu "hacking" ;)
08:42:59JUSTWJXjust some progress
08:43:09markunwell, only if gevaerts and Bagder will help
08:43:45markunwe have a USB dump of the DFU firmware upgrade to try and build a linux tool for example
08:45:08JUSTWJXThere is so many bugs in the official firmware~~
08:45:30markunwell, rockbox isn't free of bugs either, but at least here you can try to fix them.
08:45:46JUSTWJXyes
08:46:43JUSTWJXI am a Chinese ,if you need to translate ,just contact me
08:46:50markunok, great
08:46:54JUSTWJXjust want to do some for Rockbox
08:47:13JUSTWJXcyndi@foxmail.com
08:47:13markunWe have a chinese translation, but maybe it can be improved a bit
08:47:25markunnot a good idea to leave your email here..
08:47:38markunThe channel is logged so expect some spam
08:48:40JUSTWJXno problem~~
08:49:10JUSTWJXWe need spam,^_^
08:49:35Bagderis there any real point to bring the recv1, x5 or h140?
08:49:42markunI wrote you a message, you should see a 'tab' with my name in it
08:49:45markunBagder: the tower!
08:50:06Bagdertrue...
08:50:32markunbut we will have a nice tower anyway, so if it's too much..
08:50:48Bagderit just feels like targets I won't do anything with myself
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08:51:46markunthe same for my h120
08:52:19JUSTWJXfigting,figting~~
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08:55:53JUSTWJXHaven't gotten your mail
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08:56:41JUSTWJXThe Chinese Great FireWall Cutted it~~ @-@
08:56:59Guest80479what about this channel? im newbie
08:57:03Guest80479someone tell me
08:57:10JUSTWJXThe Chinese mainland e-mail service is so poor~
08:57:11Guest80479is for rockbox firmware?
08:57:43JUSTWJXMay be
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08:58:16Guest80479but rockbox consumes a lot of battery
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09:00:15JUSTWJXChange for a super larger battery~~
09:00:24JUSTWJX^_^
09:03:09MU{lappy}that was... strange.
09:06:44wpyhJUSTWJX: Are you located in China as well?
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09:12:45JUSTWJXcome again
09:12:53JUSTWJXwpyh,yes
09:13:10wpyhgreat
09:13:20wpyhI didn't know Rockbox is popular with Chinese users
09:13:31wpyhbtw this might be offtopic :P
09:13:39wpyhso let's go to #rockbox-community
09:13:44JUSTWJXSo popular in Meizu official BBS
09:14:07JUSTWJXwait
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09:14:33JUSTWJXsome popular words in EN
09:14:49JUSTWJXis so hard to understand for me
09:15:56wpyhuh... I mean, we should talk about this in #rockbox-community
09:16:08wpyhthat's another channel where we can talk about all off topic things
09:16:18wpyhon-topic things are not allowed there, of course
09:16:25JUSTWJXi see
09:16:27*wpyh hopes he is not confused
09:16:48GodEaterwpyh: you could explain in chinese if it would be easier - as long as you're quick ;)
09:17:03JUSTWJXdon't worry
09:17:18JUSTWJXmy English is great^_^mostly
09:17:33JUSTWJX#rockbox-community
09:17:35wpyhGodEater: good idea
09:17:42JUSTWJXwhere is the entry
09:17:43wpyh(maybe I'll just pm him)
09:18:03JUSTWJXneed to register
09:18:21wpyhJUSTWJX: I sent you a PM
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09:23:40xxbatman94xxhey guys i need some help compiling the patch for the ipod color
09:24:18xxbatman94xxim using cygwin
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09:25:52xxbatman94xxive been following the simple guide to compiling and where i compile the source codes its says these random errors
09:26:02xxbatman94xxhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
09:26:18xxbatman94xxHelp Please? :D
09:26:57markunxxbatman94xx: can you put these "random errors" in a patebin?
09:27:00markunpastebin
09:27:36xxbatman94xxsure thing
09:27:55*GodEater tries to imagine a compiler which produces "random" errors
09:28:22xxbatman94xxhehe i kno i got to be more descriptive
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09:33:58xxbatman94xxok heres a screen shot of when i create the makefile
09:34:00xxbatman94xxhttp://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/aoiss2121/blah.jpg
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09:36:04xxbatman94xxdang well
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09:36:27xxbatman94xxi ll put it in paste bin
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09:40:27xxbatman94xxhttp://mibbit.com/pb/rOGJtI
09:40:33xxbatman94xxphew that was alot to type
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09:40:49xxbatman94xxthis is when i was compiling the source code
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09:47:14xxbatman94xxsoo any suggestions?
09:47:41MU{lappy}that's not a compiler error, the compiler isn't on your path.
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09:48:47xxbatman94xxyea thats wat i was thinking :/
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09:49:18xxbatman94xxim gonna try installing one of the other compiliers
09:49:22xxbatman94xxthanks
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09:52:58wpyhsee you
09:53:03markunsee you there
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09:57:20fluxhmm.. I could've sworn I used to get 16M/s write speed when I initially begun copying stuff to my iHP-120, but now I'm getting only 1.5M/s - does anyone remember their experiences?
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13:10:04*shotofadds needs JdGordon or somebody to explain why a quickscreen action ACTION_QS_LEFT set to BUTTON_MIDLEFT causes the screen to exit with an 'OK' voice rather than changing the shuffle mode...
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13:12:52shotofaddsiirc there was also an attempt to introduce an 'up' action in the quickscreen. what happened to that?
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13:13:17shotofaddshaving just three directions on a large screen like the D2 looks odd, imho
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13:17:55GodEatershotofadds: I think I know the answer :)
13:17:58GodEaterif you're still here
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13:53:56shotofaddsGodEater: so what might the problem be?
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14:01:03GodEatershotofadds: the problem, at least one some targets, is that the quick menu does not currently work as originally intended
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14:01:42GodEaterthe idea was you hold down the key to bring it up, and then the direction for the option you want to choose
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14:02:17GodEaterbut currently the menu's display is toggled, rather than only displaying while you hold down the key to bring it up
14:02:25*GodEater wonders if this explanation makes any sense
14:02:52GodEaterso you need a key to dismiss it too, if you don't want to change any of the options after all
14:03:18GodEaterat least, that's what I recall as being the reason it works the way it does
14:04:15shotofaddswhat's currently happening is that I hold down a 'touchscreen button' (top right of the screen) to bring up the quickscreen. I can then press right or down to toggle those options, and the screen exits. But if I press left, it says "OK" instead of toggling Shuffle.
14:04:23shotofaddsI probably wasn't very clear originally...
14:05:24shotofaddsbtw. I think the 'toggled' display will have to stay on touchsreen targets... until we invent software multitouch :p
14:06:43GodEaterah, in that case yes, I misunderstood your issue
14:06:54GodEaterI've no idea why you should be seeing the behaviour
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14:08:01shotofaddsI thought it might be because MIDLEFT is used in the standard context, or something. but then wouldn't it voice "Cancelled" rather than "OK"?
14:08:14shotofadds..as MIDLEFT is used elsewhere for Cancel
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14:12:27shotofaddsI might commit these changes as-is for now, they're an improvement over not working at all :) eg. it's possible to actually get out of the pitchscreen now
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14:21:06kugelshotofadds: at least on an e200, left button is indeed cancel
14:21:22kugelshotofadds: but left in quickscreen works as inteneded (toggle shuffle)
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14:22:46kugelshotofadds: the quickscreen context in keymap-cowond2.c is empty, no wonder that it doesn't work :)
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14:23:47kugelpixelma: hey, cool, I'll probably show up today too. in this case, it's just nice to live in berlin :)
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14:26:27shotofaddskugel: yeah, I've seen other targets keymaps where the exact same thing I've done seems to work. I reckon it mide be a side-effect of the way touchscreen keymaps are set up. I'll hassle JdGordon about it next week...
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14:27:17kugelshotofadds: do that :) Are you on the devcon? I'd love to see rockbox on a d2
14:27:47kugelwell, you're not on the list, so i guess not
14:28:06shotofaddsI'm packing packing bags right now... but not for DevCon :/
14:28:27*shotofadds is glad to see he's keeping up his fine tradition of not being able to type for toffee
14:28:55kugelhehe
14:28:57pixelmathe keymap contexts are chained sometimes (didn't have a look at the D2 one) and if one action is not found in the first place it will check the next and so on, this could lead to conflicts sometimes
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14:29:05GodEatermaybe you should try coffee instead of toffee ?
14:29:18shotofaddskugel: Bagder, Llorean and gevaerts are apparently bringing d2s, so you might see one...
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14:30:05shotofaddsa word of advice: patience and persistence are the words of the day when trying to get the NAND driver to work :)
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14:30:49shotofaddspixelma: for touchscreen targets it's even worse, there are a whole extra set of contexts in keymap-touchpad.c ...
14:31:18kugelshotofadds: coool!
14:31:51shotofaddsGodEater: I'm going to try beer instead. Won't help my typing but at least I'll feel better about it :p
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14:32:19kugelshotofadds: there's also a quickscreen context. have you tried to edit this file?
14:32:56kugelI can imagine it's a it messy with 2 keymap files
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14:35:44GodEateryay :)
14:35:54GodEateramiconn: not that I can unban him in here
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15:34:41AcornAcorndoes anyone know how the battery and mains power work with the h3XX? does the mains not bypass the battery?
15:35:05Corsacnop, I dont think so
15:35:33AcornAcornwhy on earth would that be
15:35:34Corsacthe first battery I had died fastly, because I was using it on AC, plugged to the computer at all time, using it as an external drive
15:36:05Corsacand anyway, on much portable devices (including laptops), the battery plays a protector against power surge etc.
15:36:08AcornAcornso if the battery is dead you can't power it from mains?
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15:38:25Corsacif it's completely dead, I guess so
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15:40:24AcornAcornhmm, it powers on when i plug it into the mains now, but switches off instantly when i unplug it
15:40:56AcornAcorni wonder if there's some way of powering it an alternative way, say with external batteries
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15:46:57PaulJamAcornAcorn: why don't you just replace the battery?
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15:50:20AcornAcornthis is already my second replacement, and i haven't had it that long. Do you think that there's a chance that i need to "jump start" it or something? It was left unused for a while.
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16:06:54Zagorgreetings from berlin
16:07:02amiconnwelcome :)
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16:08:07amiconndefinitely.
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16:12:15MarcGuaypixelma: Any problems with the manuals?
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16:12:41Zagoramiconn: when do we get access to the office?
16:12:56MarcGuaypixelma: I had to do a weird line-break to keep the \fname from going outside the margins in the PDFs.
16:13:06amiconnWe're ready...
16:13:06pixelmaMarcGuay: do you mean me promised commit or something else?
16:13:58MarcGuaypixelma: I made a few changes yesterday and just wanted to make sure I didn't botch it.
16:14:26LinusNBagder lost the key to the padlock on his suitcase :-)
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16:14:49MarcGuayLinusN: Time for some seriously analog hacking.
16:15:14Nico_PLinusN: that makes you smile? :D
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16:15:23pixelmaMarcGuay: I put the long example line in the shortcuts chapter in an "example" just because the line was too long (same problem as it was in an \fname too)
16:15:27Zagor_shaky net
16:15:43*amiconn prefers combination locks for these purposes - no key to looe
16:15:52JUSTWJXMeiZu Users hands up~~~
16:16:06Zagor_amiconn: and if you forget the code, only 1000 combinations to try ;)
16:16:34amiconn4-digit locks (or higher) of course...
16:16:46LambdaCalculus37This is why I prefer using a simple-to-remember prime number for a combination... ;)
16:17:04Nico_Pwhy prime?
16:17:07JUSTWJXNo one......
16:17:11pixelmaMarcGuay: haven't noticed any problems but didn't look very closely yet. Been a bit busy
16:17:35LambdaCalculus37Nico_P: My nick has a prime in it. :)
16:17:38LambdaCalculus37But I digress...
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16:18:31MarcGuaypixelma: Should be fine, nothing fancy. I see the example in shortcuts, and also see that a few lines above it there's a \fname{} that runs outside the margins like mine was doing. :)
16:18:52pixelmastill?
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16:20:04LambdaCalculus37It's empty. ;)
16:20:40MarcGuaypixelma: "/MyMusic/collection/song.mp3". Not a big deal, just a few chars.
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16:27:01SiloSpenI've started on an attempt at looking into a rockbox port for the Sandisk Sansa Express. Is this the place to ask stupid questions once the manual stops making sense? :P
16:28:52pixelmaZagor: is this the suitcase with teh shirts?
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16:34:09SiloSpenI ask because the IRC guidelines state that "unsupported builds are off topic", does this include new ports?
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16:36:42krazykit`SiloSpen, new ports are on-topic
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16:40:08GodEateralthough if it's a new port, I'm intrigued to know where you found a manual at all, let alone one that didn't make sense ;)
16:40:33LambdaCalculus37He probably means the NewPorts wiki page.
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17:45:00Vilohi all
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17:45:44Vilowhat version of Sansa e280 is good??
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17:45:58LambdaCalculus37A v1 version?
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17:46:26Vilodon't know...
17:46:42Tuplanollaor do you mean the firmware version?
17:46:49Viloi can't tell, i'm buying in the internet...
17:46:55Viloyess
17:47:04LambdaCalculus37Any firmware starting with 01.XX.XX.
17:47:26Viloit's rettin on the box of the player?
17:47:48*LambdaCalculus37 looks up the word "rettin" in the dictionary
17:47:58*Tuplanolla thinks he means "written"
17:48:05LambdaCalculus37The box won't make any mention of it.
17:48:06Vilook...................
17:48:08PaulJamunfortunately the firmwareversion is the only relable way to tell if it is a v1 or v2
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17:48:40BigBambiVilo: You really can't tell without turning the player on
17:48:51Viloso i can know the version only after i buy the player??
17:49:03LambdaCalculus37Yes, so it's a big gamble.
17:49:05BigBambiBut if you are buying new the strong likelyhood is that it will be a v2 and not work with Rockbox
17:49:22LambdaCalculus37If you buy used, ask the seller to read the firmware version for you.
17:50:01Viloahhh ok...but if i buy it in 70$ it's no wothe it anyway?
17:50:16Vilobecause it's very chip for this play...
17:51:42Vilo?
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18:03:16Vilohi, so 70$ for Sansa e280 it a good price right? so if rockbox won't if to the version that i will buy, so it's still worth it ??
18:04:49Vilohello??
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18:06:58Tuplanollai bought mine for 113 euros
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18:09:05Viloso what do u think it's worth it ever rockbox won't work in it???
18:09:34Tuplanollai'd say it is.
18:09:45PaulJamthat is somethin you need to decide for yourself
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18:12:58Vilowell i don't know how the play is with the rockbox and without it....
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18:14:08PaulJami would think most people here use rockbox exclusively anc can't comment on the original firmware (which would be also offtopic here)
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18:15:02Vilooh no...offtopic...:{
18:15:41Viloi see the channel is packed with people talking...
18:16:58LambdaCalculus37Vilo: These channels are logged for the developers to go back through to find information they may need when they're working on something. Off-topic chatter gunks up the logs and makes it harder for them to find what it is they're looking for.
18:16:59PaulJamthis channel is logged and offtopic chat would make it harder to find relevant conversations. there is #rockbox-community for offtopic chat.
18:17:12LambdaCalculus37PaulJam: Too slow. ;)
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18:22:25B4gderhttp://www.ustream.tv/channel/rockbox-devcon-2008
18:22:50B4gdernow this is the most important stuff already accomplished!
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18:25:42B4gderoh well, that was fun for a minute, now it's mostly black
18:26:15LambdaCalculus37B4gder: Refreshing the page brings the stream back up.
18:26:33B4gderyes, Bjorn fixed the problem with the machine
18:27:06bertrikso, who is who on the webcam picture?
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18:27:40*LambdaCalculus37 can tell the only female in the picture (on the left) is pixelma, and that Llorean must be on the front right
18:27:48LloreanFrom left to right, Pixelma, Amiconn, and Me in the front
18:27:53*amiconn got his t-shirt upgrade
18:27:58LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Do I get a beer? :)
18:28:15LloreanAnd now the camera is flying
18:28:26LambdaCalculus37Who was that making it fly?
18:28:46LloreanIt was mounted on a chair, for a better view.
18:30:20*LambdaCalculus37 figures the two standing guys by amiconn are the brothers Stenberg
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18:33:19crzyboysterFor some reason, the album art isn't showing up on my WPS, even though it's there and the WPS even detects it! Here's my code > http://pastebin.com/m4380d78
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18:34:19PaulJamno %C tag?
18:34:21bertrikIIRC, there were some recent WPS changes that broke some older WPS's
18:35:22LambdaCalculus37bertrik: Yes, that was conditional viewports in r17759.
18:35:43PaulJamcrzyboyster: you need to put "%C" into the %?C conditional to actually show thw albumart.
18:35:45LambdaCalculus37The camera went out again.
18:37:14B4gderyeah, the broadcasting is shaky atm
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18:38:09crzyboysterPaulJam: Thanks once again!
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18:47:28ArathisDid something change with WPS the last weeks? My WPS (simplified 2d v2 @ wiki & rockbox-themes.org) stopped working although it worked fine before my update today. My prior rockbox Version was r17714-080611
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18:49:04pixelmaArathis: yes, check this commit out... http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17759 ;)
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18:49:17wpyhso quiet in here
18:49:36Zagorwe're all staring at the tv
18:49:55wpyhwatching the devcon?
18:49:55B4gderhttp://www.ustream.tv/channel/rockbox-devcon-2008
18:49:58Zagor(which shows people staring at the tv)
18:51:17wpyhwell, I can barely make out those... archos daps?
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18:51:53wpyhlet's digg it
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18:53:20Zagorthere's a bunch of models there. we'll make a proper pic later.
18:54:54wpyhB4gder: the resolution is too low...
18:56:09LloreanWe don't have to use the webcam for static pics.
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18:58:19wpyhLlorean: may I know why there is a ghost image of Rockbox at the top left corner?
18:58:49LloreanBecause there's a big Rockbox logo projected onto the wall
18:59:10wpyhah...
18:59:12wpyhI see
18:59:23wpyhnow that there's a person blocking the projector
18:59:35wpyhanyway is this live?
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18:59:52B4gderit is
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18:59:57Zagorthe projector is fed by a zx spectrum. (no kidding)
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19:00:00wpyhgreat :D
19:00:11*wpyh googles "zx spectrum"
19:00:27Zagoroh you youngsters! ;)
19:00:53*pixelma wonders whether wpyh will find obot zxbox too
19:01:01pixelma*about
19:01:18pixelmabad typing day
19:01:33wpyhI've heard about zxbox before but don't know what it is...
19:02:06SiloSpenzx spectrum, seriously?
19:02:25*Zagor moves the webcam. hang on
19:02:52*Arathis needs to look more into viewports again :3
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19:03:11*wpyh sees a zx spectrum right there
19:03:22LloreanGodEater: Visuals only, it seems
19:03:42GodEater_shame
19:03:51GodEater_my lipreading isn't very good ;)
19:05:01Zagortrains pass just outside the window every 5 minutes so it wouldn't be very interesting sound anyway
19:05:15Zagormostly Linus yelling "fan fan fan" :)
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19:06:39Topic"Devcon 2008 is on. Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/dce.html" by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor)
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19:13:39*LinusNF broke his H100 BDm target :-(
19:13:56wpyhwhat happened?
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19:14:06LinusNFthe display connector broke
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19:18:19PaulJamhah, i think i have found a reliable and quick reproduction recipe for the hanging at the end of playlist bug.
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19:22:48SiloSpenSo, I'm going down the "NewPort" list on the wiki and I'm unsure of where to go now (this is for the Sansa express). I'm looking at figuring out how to do a firmware upgrade, there appears to be 2 possible methods. I've tried decompiling a few of the exe's with "REC" and "Boomerang", but I'm not certain if these are the best applications to use. Does anyone have any advice about decompiling?
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19:24:20saratogado you mean dissassembling?
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19:25:02wpyhI think the tools he mentioned are for decompilation
19:25:07wpyhnot for disassembly
19:25:09B4gderthe express is a sigmatel thing
19:25:13SiloSpenI see, this could explain a lot
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19:25:51B4gderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaExpressInfo
19:26:15SiloSpenB4gder: I looked at the linux sigmatel information, it was interesting, but I wasn't sure where to go with it
19:26:37SiloSpenwpyh/saratoga: It seems I'm getting disassembly and decompilation confused
19:26:42B4gdersigmatel does heaps of different things
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19:27:32wpyhI think disassembly is converting machine code into assembly code, while decompilation is converting machine code into source code (C)
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19:28:36SiloSpenB4gder: http://linux.sigmatel.com/ site has quite a lot of stuff on there, would it be sensible to follow through the information on that site and come back when I can communicate with the chipset?
19:28:37PaulJam_bertrik: i posted it to FS #9110
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19:28:49kugelhellow from devconeuro :)
19:28:55SiloSpenwpyh: That makes sense, thank you.
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19:29:21wpyhkugel: hi
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19:35:10pixelmaPaulJam: so it looks like pondlife was right - the freeze has to do with rebuffering during the last track...
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19:37:31B4gderSiloSpen: that sigmatel has a "32 bit RISC core" so programming it is a bit... tricky
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19:37:36Topic"http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2008/ - Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/dce.html" by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor)
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19:37:50saratoga"32 bit RISC" usually means ARM right?
19:37:54B4gderno
19:38:02B4gderusually they spell out arm then
19:38:15B4gder32bit RISC usually means something more exotic
19:38:23B4gderbut who knows
19:38:39LambdaCalculus37satatoga: Got something that has a RISC instruction set?
19:38:47B4gderI guess checking out a firmware dump could at least identify it being arm or not
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19:39:14SiloSpenB4gder, are you "Badger" on the forums? I noticed you've been doing work on the other sansa players
19:39:27B4gderI am yes
19:39:31SiloSpenIt claims in the pdfs that the chipset is an ARM
19:39:32LloreanNo, you aren't
19:39:38B4gderor rather BaGDer
19:39:47*B4gder can't recognize himself
19:39:48LambdaCalculus37SiloSpen: Yes, get it right. ;)
19:39:53*B4gder watches the video
19:39:56SiloSpenHaha, I see :)_
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19:40:24B4gdernew people arrive!
19:40:32wpyhsay hi :)
19:40:41saratogaARM == Advanced RISC Machine, so its sometimes just called risc in marketing materials
19:41:19Zagornew people!
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19:43:21SiloSpenBleh, I'm so confused by all of this. On one hand it looks like sigmatel has the tools freely available, but apparently not?
19:43:24markunhey guys
19:44:19markunI'll leave for the office about now, should be there in (I hope) 20 minutes
19:44:38wpyhmarkun: we'll be seeing you on air then :)
19:44:39*LambdaCalculus37 waves to markun
19:45:26SiloSpenWhen the express is plugged in while holding down the -vol button, it shows up as "066f:3600 SigmaTel, Inc. " instead of the standard "Sansa" stuff. Does that imply some form of lower level access mode? Perhaps one which could be interfaced with through the Sigmatel drivers?
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19:45:39B4gdermarkun: elcome!
19:45:45*B4gder adds a w
19:45:53markun:)
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20:00:14leftrightwhilst you're there cold you fix golbal warming please
20:00:30B4gdersure, that's easy
20:00:48*LambdaCalculus37 writes a shell script to fix global warming
20:00:52leftrightsend it to Dev-null
20:01:09PaulJamfirst work on the bootloaders, that's more important ;)
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20:02:11BigBambiThe Global Warming bug looks like it made its way in when the industrial revolution was committed. Anyone fancy reverting it?
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20:03:10wpyhBigBambi: that would revert the whole industry
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20:05:23XavierGrw00t devcon started! :)
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20:07:16xxbatman94hey guys i need some help compiling
20:07:27wpyhjust say it :)
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20:08:10xxbatman94okay ive gotten all the way up to compiling and then after it compilied i was supposed to make it into a zip so i type make zip
20:08:44wpyhthen?
20:08:59xxbatman94and it says xargs: zip: No such file or directory
20:09:18LloreanThen you don't have zip installed.
20:09:19bertrikso you need to install zip
20:09:20wpyhum...
20:09:26wpyhyeah
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20:10:09xxbatman94umm okay hmm how am i supposed to install a zip
20:11:07LloreanNot "a zip", just the program "zip"
20:11:22LloreanDepends an awful lot on what version of linux you have.
20:11:22bluebrothera zip is an archive ... you can't install it
20:11:26xxbatman94oh my mistake
20:12:10bluebrothertry your packet manager
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20:14:11kugelxxbatman94: try 7-zip (package: p7zip), it can handle zip.
20:14:30kugelBut it's a bit weird that you cannot open zips out of the box
20:14:43wpyhkugel: he needs the zip command to be available
20:14:46bluebrotheron my system the package is called simply zip. 7z has a different usage (i.e. command line parameters)
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20:14:52wpyhhe won't get it with 7-zip imo
20:15:58BigBambikugel: It is for making zips
20:16:29bertrikxxbatman94: what OS do you use?
20:16:56xxbatman94im actually on windows
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20:18:05xxbatman94oh ok i tried "make zip build" (build being the folder im zipping) and i think its working
20:18:15BigBambiThen what are you compiling in?
20:18:42xxbatman94im using cygwin
20:18:59LloreanYou go into the build folder, and then just type "make zip" without the quotes.
20:19:05LloreanYou don't type anything after the word zip, normally
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20:19:18xxbatman94hmm lemme try
20:21:42bertrikin the cygwin setup tool, the zip package is simply called zip
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20:23:06xxbatman94o ok lemme try that heres what it said for make zip
20:23:07xxbatman94http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/aoiss2121/blah-1.jpg
20:23:30ender`you need to install info-zip
20:23:59xxbatman94ok how exactly am i supposed to do that :P
20:24:10saratogarun the cygwin installer, select the zip package
20:24:15ender`run the cygwin setup and tick it there
20:24:38*bertrik doesn't see an info-zip package in the cygwin installer
20:25:48ender`expand the Archive category and select the last option
20:26:36xxbatman94okay thanks
20:27:22ender`(actually, second to last)
20:27:49xxbatman94yup :P
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20:29:16LinusNyes, very popular
20:29:39xxbatman94WOOO
20:29:43xxbatman94that was awesome!
20:29:45LinusNit was a big hit back in the 15 minutes he spent composing it
20:30:05xxbatman94thanks guys yall never seem to not answer a question :D
20:30:12*LambdaCalculus37 went there, all right! :)
20:30:24LambdaCalculus37I had to be the one to send that SID file. :D
20:30:33wpyhwhat's vic20?
20:30:43xxbatman94hey how do you make a little comment on mibbit
20:30:47LambdaCalculus37wpyh: Other channel!
20:30:50xxbatman94like wat command is it?
20:30:52*BigBambi shakes his head in despair at wpyh
20:31:09*low_light prepares a commit
20:31:13wpyhoh...
20:31:14*LinusN suddenly feels old
20:31:57LinusNi fixed the display on the h100 and now the bdm doesn't work :-(
20:32:38leftrightits the bdm thats faulty for sure
20:34:04LinusNor maybe it's me? :-/
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20:34:26leftrightdo you guys have web cams setup in your rooms as well ? :->
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20:34:38LinusNi guess one has to be competent do do this kind of stuff - just my luck ;-)
20:34:57bertrik_did you connect the battery?
20:35:00LinusNleftright: you wish, naughty boy! :-)
20:35:13LinusNbertrik: haha, yes
20:42:32xxbatman94okay i got one last question - when i get the patch it just goes to a link and has a bunch of text should i copy that and save it as a .diff file?
20:42:42LambdaCalculus37Yes.
20:42:43bertrik_yes
20:42:58xxbatman94okay but for some reason its still a txt file
20:43:24bertrik_the file name doesn't really matter
20:43:25LloreanPatches are just text files, they describe the changes that need to be made to the source code
20:43:30low_lightwow, 5 min for cygwin svn commit to do it's job
20:43:40BigBambixxbatman94: because windows automatically names things and hides extensions from you
20:43:45LambdaCalculus37You can easily change the file extension to .diff.
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20:44:08BigBambixxbatman94: In folder options turn off hide extensions of known file types, then you can actually do what you want with your filenames
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20:53:02leftrightsooo when are you guys breaking out the scotch and BBQ
20:54:20LambdaCalculus37Scotch is off-topic here. ;)
20:54:26LambdaCalculus37Here, beer is on-topic. :P
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21:06:16low_lightlater all
21:06:20low_lighthave a good devcon
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21:16:19kugelWelcome :)
21:16:20markunfinally!
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21:18:24LambdaCalculus37Who's left?
21:18:36pixelmascorche
21:20:04pixelmaDerPapst also said he wanted to come but haven't heard anything yet
21:20:37Zagoryesss, finally no more "request reopen" in flyspray
21:20:40bertrikargh, internal server error on rockbox.org svn web view
21:20:53Zagorbertrik: oops, checking
21:21:03*LambdaCalculus37 wonders if there's going to be a "Rockbox Roll Call" for the webstream when all are present
21:22:27ZagorLambdaCalculus37: yeah that is the plan. a simple image.
21:24:45Zagorof course. python moved stuff around again. :-/
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21:43:37fmlPaulJam: nice findings re. FS #9110! Now we just have to catch Nico_P.
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21:47:03PaulJamfml: he is on the notification list, so i guess he'll see it.
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21:51:12fmlPaulJam: ok. And yes, I have repeat set to 'off' and the last two tracks in my album are quite long. By the way: what do you mean by 'track size'? Compressed size or decoded pcm data?
21:51:32PaulJamcompressed
21:51:37bertrikI also noticed a boost bug on the last track some time ago
21:54:04fmlAh, so uncompressed WAV is the best material to reproduce it? Is it still there if you fast fwd? I didn't do it since I wasn't sure if it would show up. And the 1.5 hours playback were in vane.
21:56:00PaulJamfml: i verified the reproduction recipe only with flac, but i guess wav should work too. i didn't fast forward.
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22:36:39DerPapstlife sucks :'(
22:36:51*DerPapst is ill...
22:39:19markunDerPapst: what kind of illness? (and shall we continue in #rockbox-community?)
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22:41:49pixelmasorry to hear that
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22:44:01B4gderno cheating!
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22:47:13bluebrotherdo we have Ipod 5.5G 30GB and 60/80GB around?
22:47:51LinusNsomeone stole mine :-)
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22:48:31gevaertsI thought it was lying on a beach in the Caribbean
22:49:26LinusNwell, according to the box, it was previously owned by jack sparrow
22:49:38DerPapstheh
22:52:19bluebrotherdang. And I'm interested in the Gestalt value of those ...
22:52:56*DerPapst has one
22:53:08DerPapsttell me what to do and i get it for you
22:53:33DerPapst80GB 5.5G
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22:54:40bluebrotherDerPapst: check the file /iPod_Control/Device/SysInfo
22:54:53bluebrotherI'm looking for the value of boardHwSwInterfaceRev
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22:55:21DerPapst5[.5]G iPods don't have this file anymore with firmware 1.2 or greater
22:55:26bluebrotheraccording to IPL there are two values but they don't differentiate between 30G and 60/80G. So this might be a way to distinguish those two
22:55:51DerPapstany other way to get these values?
22:55:54bluebrotherurgh. IPL wiki lists values for those ...
22:56:10DerPapsthmm...
22:56:16*DerPapst makes sure.
22:56:20bluebrothernone that I know of −− you might want to check IPL's Generations page
22:57:11DerPapstSysinfo is empty.
22:57:59DerPapstSysInfoExtended is not though.. lets have a look. it's an xml file
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23:06:19bluebrotherDerPapst: can you post that file somewhere (given it's not empty)?
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23:07:50DerPapstsure.. wait a sec...
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23:11:55DerPapstbluebrother: http://pastebin.com/m6b458f94
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23:20:00bluebrotherDerPapst: thanks :)
23:20:48*petur added more pics...
23:22:40bluebrotherok, there _is_ a "RAM" key we could use.
23:23:56*bluebrother wonders if that file is present on 30GB models too
23:25:11amiconnI think we can just probe the ram size, that part isn't difficult
23:25:30*DerPapst spots a 5G
23:25:38bluebrotherunifying those two builds would be a good thing(tm)
23:25:58LloreanWouldn't that still require relocatable plugins?
23:25:58B4gderwoo 24 viewers now
23:26:00amiconnThe problem is rearranging the rockbox memory layout so that it can accomodate different RAM sizes without changing codec/plugin ram addresses
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23:26:13B4gderLlorean: no, just rearranging them in memory
23:26:19LloreanAh, before the buffer, after everything else?
23:26:37B4gderright, somewhere within the first 32MB ram at least
23:26:49DerPapstthe structure was discussed devcon2007euro...
23:26:53B4gderyeps
23:26:55LloreanWell, we probably don't want to split the playback buffer, right?
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23:27:09B4gderno, they should probably be put first in memory
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23:28:27DerPapstsounds gone?
23:28:30amiconnYes, right after the vectors (and a jump to the real start
23:28:31amiconn)
23:28:42amiconnDerPapst: Yeps, on purpose
23:28:52DerPapstbummer :(
23:29:02LloreanThere wasn't supposed to be any in the first place.
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23:39:30Domonokybluebrother: want to take a look at my detect patch for rbutil ? (http://pastebin.com/d6c0f4fc9) i worked on it on train to DevCon :-)
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23:39:56LambdaCalculus37Domonoky: Nice way to pass the time. ;)
23:45:38markungevaerts: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9125
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