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#rockbox log for 2008-06-28

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00:06:39DerPapstbluebrother: btw i guess that all 5[.5]Gs with firmware version 1.2 and larger have this file. and those that don't have this file should be 5Gs since 5.5G started with 1.2.
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00:08:29bluebrotherhmm. Sounds like a good point.
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00:56:06B4gdermaybe that countdown link in the topic could be removed now...
00:56:56Mode"#rockbox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
00:57:00scorche|sh;)
00:57:05B4gderhaha
00:57:17scorche|shi didnt hear you laugh!
00:57:18Topic"http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2008/ - Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community" by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
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01:15:45Nico_Phi devcon people!
01:16:37scorche|shthere are 4 of us hiding behind the camera too! =)
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01:17:23Nico_Pis there some sort of who's who?
01:18:17LloreanI'm that one.
01:19:17*Nico_P thinks gevaerts could probably create a successful programming language
01:19:35*Domonoky is one of those hiding from the cam :-)
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01:25:53Zagor*finally* svn browser works again. if you see a python developer around. SHOOT HIM!
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01:28:56MarcGuayIf anyone's looking for annoying syntactical arguments to discuss: Choosing a universal spelling of Ipod/iPod/iriver/Iriver and naming of the Quick Menu/Quick Screen.
01:33:29bluebrotherZagor: what have they done this time?
01:33:43*bluebrother has a bad experience trying to upgrade a local trac installation on w32 today
01:33:53Zagorbluebrother: added code in /var/lib
01:34:33bluebrotherurgh
01:39:11BigBambiMarcGuay: I thought the Ipod/Iriver capitalisation style was already decided on?
01:40:34MarcGuayBigBambi: I think I missed that one. It personally drives me nuts to the point where I don't think I can type it in the manual.
01:41:02BigBambiI was sure that it is on a manual wiki page somewhere to use Iriver/Ipod etc.
01:41:13MarcGuayI'm not terribly interested in talking about it, though, if that's the decision I'll try to abide.
01:41:29BigBambii.e. we use proper English and ignore silly manufacturer capitalisation
01:42:00MarcGuayCapitalism isn't part of proper English?
01:42:01LinusNyeah, proper english words, like "ipod" and "iriver" :-P
01:42:24BigBambiI didn't have any input to this, I'm just reporting what I remember
01:42:26MarcGuayIt looks weird to me every time I see it, tis all.
01:42:27LinusNand "color sound" :-)
01:42:33BigBambiLinusN: colour :)
01:42:46LinusN:-P
01:43:03MarcGuayLinusN: The brand name ViewSonic has always made me laugh.
01:43:06LinusNtell that to cowon
01:43:17LinusN:-)
01:43:19MarcGuayLSD not included.
01:43:27MarcGuay"I can feeeel the colours!"
01:45:11BigBambiMarcGuay: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LatexGuidelines#Names
01:46:13*MarcGuay fights the urge to argue and thanks BigBambi for the info.
01:46:49BigBambiPersonally, I couldn't care less either way
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01:52:44bluebrother"'lil Monsta" is also ... funny.
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01:56:25bluebrotherI just downloaded some voices for windows (Sam, Mary etc.) and got a bunch of .msm files.
01:56:31bluebrotherwhere do I need to put them?
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02:10:45XavierGrah! goodnight guys
02:11:00XavierGrfirst day just ended it seems :(
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03:22:33enix`does anyone know about the difference between the sansa v2 and v1?
03:23:13advcomp2019different hardware
03:23:42enix`is the v2 the rhapsody compatable model?
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03:25:05krazykitno
03:25:19advcomp2019there is e200 and e200r that work.. the e200r is the rhapsody model
03:25:45enix`mkay, so are there any outwards differences between v2 and v1?
03:25:57MarcGuayenix`: Sadly, no.
03:26:12enix`sucks XD
03:26:43MarcGuayIs there even such a thing as a e200R v2?
03:26:50enix`wonder if there would be any chance of rockbox being ported to the v2 model
03:27:00MarcGuayenix`: Follow the thread in the forums.
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03:27:09enix`got a link handy?
03:27:33advcomp2019MarcGuay, not sure right now
03:27:44MarcGuayenix`: Nope.
03:28:10enix`:S
03:28:12enix`k :p
03:28:13MarcGuayadvcomp2019: Are they still selling/manufacturing a Rhapsody model?
03:28:17advcomp2019enix`, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0
03:28:27enix`thanks ^_^
03:29:03advcomp2019MarcGuay, nope because the way it sounds the v2's has rhapsody built in
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04:03:03crzyboysterI was just reading this ( http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevConEuro2008#Agenda ) and found out that they will be considering to get rid of DOOM and rockboy! I am totally against that!
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04:26:35MarcGuaycrzyboyster: I think it was discussed already today and they've agreed to that proposal. Ask scorche about it.
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05:01:19MarcGuayIs there any reason the A button is used to clear settings on the Gigabeat instead of the Hold switch?
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05:05:01MarcGuayI'm also confused but the lack of this feature on some iPods (the nano, for instance). The manual says to have the hold switch activated, but that caused disk mode to boot, and it isn't if'ed in the code...
05:07:24MarcGuayWouldn't it make more sense to have the hold switches defined the same way as buttons and simply create a RESET_SETTINGS variable? Or is it too early in the boot for such things?
05:09:55MarcGuayAnybody around with a Gigabeat F?
05:10:32krazykityes
05:11:07MarcGuaykrazykit: What happens if you flip the hold switch after turning it on?
05:11:31MarcGuaykrazykit: Can you think of a reason it doesn't reset the settings like other targets?
05:12:20krazykitnothing happens, and i can't think of a reason
05:12:39MarcGuaykrazykit: Thanks... It's impossible on the nano.
05:12:54MarcGuay* Correcting myself from earlier: It doesn't boot into disk mode, it boots into the OF.
05:13:24krazykitand by "nothing happens" i mean it just boots into rockbox like normal
05:15:58MarcGuayFound the reason: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6876.
05:18:24krazykitso can you not distinguish between the two hold switches?
05:18:52MarcGuaykrazykit: Either that or it was a lazy fix. I'm going to look into it.
05:19:58MarcGuaySorry, wait, I misunderstood. What do you mean?
05:20:14MarcGuayBeer + Anything = What?
05:22:46MarcGuaykrazykit: There's a note in the GB button-target saying that "We cannot tell if the hold is asserted on the remote."
05:24:15krazykitah, that's a shame
05:24:18MarcGuaySo the problem is that the ipods have neither a record button or a usable hold switch for this function.
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05:45:13MarcGuayIt appears to be impossible to reset settings on targets: that don't have a record button || !gigabeat || !ipod4g || !h10. Which I guess leaves the other ipods, mrobe100, archos player...
05:45:21MarcGuayBut is the problem in the manual or in the code?
05:46:11MarcGuay* reset setting _on boot_, that is
05:47:22*MarcGuay noticed that the manual/platform/ipodnano.tex has IPOD_4G_PAD defined....
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06:03:42*MarcGuay see that it's the same in the export/config.h files and becomes even more confused.
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06:05:23MarcGuayI guess they're all essentially the same...
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06:13:14MarcGuayOkay, wow, figured it out. If you wait until the backlight comes on and _then_ flip the hold switch, the settings are reset. It's rather tricky though, given that it does something completely different if done a second earlier.
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06:44:29voltagexhelp! ATA Error 32
06:44:44voltagexhdd spins up, battery should be fine, hdd connection is fine
06:46:02voltagex...and now it works again
06:49:07voltagexwhat on earth?
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07:12:43SilverDawnHey all, I was wondering since theres no rockbox for the ipod nano video if there was any software you could use to sync it that isnt as big of a pig as itunes..
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08:33:32Jackal47anyone know what to do when the ipodpatcher for bootloader can't find your ipod?
08:34:06Jackal47i connected it but it says no ipods found
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08:35:14advcomp2019what ipod?
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08:35:31Jackal475th gen 80 gb
08:35:44advcomp2019are you sure?
08:35:44andy3gii need sum help
08:35:54Jackal47yea
08:36:21advcomp2019Jackal47, are you sure it is not a 6th gen
08:36:28advcomp2019andy3gi, ask
08:36:35andy3giI have installed alot of themes on my ipod video but i can nevr get the WPS to work
08:36:53andy3gii just get the backdrop
08:37:18advcomp2019some of the themes might be broken
08:37:40Jackal47wait nvm i think your right. it is 6th
08:38:15andy3giis thee any working themes you would recommend me to try out
08:38:22andy3gifor 5g ipod
08:38:45advcomp2019andy3gi, i do not have an ipod so i do not know what ones work or not
08:38:56andy3githanks
08:39:45Jackal47is there any firmware for 6th gen?
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08:40:51advcomp2019Jackal47, nope because it is new hardware and encrypted firmware(from what i read)
08:41:42Jackal47ok tyvm for the help
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10:20:58jimmioHello all, I'm having an issue with RockBox installed on my iPod Video (5th gen, 30 Gig)... I connect it to my PC, it shows a USB connector icon on the iPod then restarts into disk mode. Disk mode disconnects after a little and I can't get my important files off my iPod
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10:22:51jimmionevermind that... I just connected it while it was off and got the Apple firmware loaded somehow...
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10:34:34LloreanGood morning from DevConEuro2008
10:34:54JdGordonmorning
10:35:08JdGordonwere you guys waiting for markun for breaky?
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10:35:20LloreanI don't know.
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10:35:54JdGordonok... anyway.... sometime during the day can you guys have a chat about a proper response to my email on the commy ml?
10:36:10*JdGordon hops saratoga watches that list also
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10:39:54*LinusN is hungry
10:40:35jimmiocan anyone tell me a possible reason I get an error everytime I go to transfer a file from my iPod?
10:42:24*gevaerts gets out his crystal ball to find out what error this could possibly be
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10:44:33jimmioI forget, let me do it again
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10:45:14jimmioshouldn't RockBox be handling the file transfer?
10:45:33JdGordonno...
10:45:38jimmioeverytime I connect it it attempts to install RockBox Music Player drivers...
10:45:45jimmiothen fails as the device restarts
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10:47:12jimmio"Cannot copy My Music: The parameter is incorrect.
10:48:11jimmiomaybe the harddrive is failing? If so, would debug mode say?
10:50:44jimmioI tried running a setup program from the iPod... I get this error: Only part of a ReadProcessMemory or WriteProcessMemory request was completed.
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10:54:30rockboxloverhello all
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10:59:17jimmioanyone have a clue why I can no longer get anything off my iPod now that I installed RockBox?
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11:03:37leftrightJdGordon: morning, according to Llorean I have hardware issues with my H140's joystick, I dont think so. Would it be possible to compile a build for with a greater delay in the left to root joystick action, please
11:03:54leftrighthttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9123 has more info regarding this issue
11:04:19JdGordonprobably... but im not sure what youd need to change to do it
11:05:24leftrightheck I would be happy if you disabled it for me, as I dont use that feature and somehow I have a really annoying habit of landing up in root when I browse my music
11:06:26JdGordonits easy to disable
11:06:42leftrightthat appeals to me
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11:08:54JdGordoncomment out any line that has ACTION_TREE_ROOT_INIT in apps/keymaps/keymap-h1x0_h3x0.c
11:09:42leftrightthank you for the info,
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11:14:13LinusNleftright: come to devcon and i'll fix it for you :-)
11:14:34leftrighthe, I'm very tempted LInus, morning
11:14:45leftright*Linus
11:16:02leftrightit must be the way I gently left or right click the joystick which activates the root command
11:16:16jimmioanyone have a clue?... I had iPod linux on it a while ago... completely reformatted, many times in fact.... and once I installed RockBox I can't get my files off it... anyone have any clue as to what I can do?... Other than reformat...
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11:17:46advcomp2019gevaerts, hows that usb on the PP players issue that i remembered going
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11:21:00jimmioseems the problem was solved by restarting my PC.... which makes no sense to me... but...
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11:21:12gevaertsadvcomp2019: I've been doing some experiments yesterday, but there's not much progress yet
11:21:38jimmiomore than 50% through a 3 gig file, so I guess it works now... thanks to anyone who was going to help =P
11:21:52B4gderhttp://pastebin.com/m19bbe555
11:22:30advcomp2019gevaerts, shoot.. i hope you figure it out
11:22:57jimmionevermind *sigh*... still doing it... anyone have any ideas?
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11:24:31stripwaxjimmio - sorry, I didn't understand the question. You want to copy files *off* your dap, by formatting it?
11:25:25stripwaxare you running the Original Firmware when you connect your ipod to your PC, or are you running Rockbox when it's connected via USB?
11:25:37stripwaxIf the latter, try rebooting into the apple firmware and see if that works for you
11:26:00stripwaxe.g. Disk Mode
11:26:05scorche|shin other words, try using the original firmware rather than apple's disk mode
11:26:44jimmioneither work...
11:27:14jimmiofirmware diskmode doesn't work... RockBox diskmode fails.... Apple diskmode fails
11:27:18scorche|shthen it is either something wrong with your computer, the cable, or your ipod...however none of those are rockbox
11:27:36scorche|shjimmio: it isnt Rockbox diskmode...it is Apple's diskmode...no Rockbox code is running at that point
11:27:55jimmioI am using a 3rd party USB cable, so that *could* be the issue
11:28:07jimmiobut it was working fine before I installed RockBox to it...
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11:28:31scorche|shthat is likely a coincidence...as i said, no Rockbox code is running at that point
11:29:56jimmiohmmm
11:31:12jimmioexplorer window showing files on drive frozen...
11:31:24jimmiothen errored again with "The parameter is incorrect"
11:32:51scorche|shjimmio: maybe you gould try a general ipod help sort of channel/forum?
11:33:13jimmiocable is bad... I just wiggled it a bit and it opened a thing asking what to do with the files on the drive...
11:33:20gevaertsgevaerts.be/main.php?g2_itemId=51588">http://fotos.gevaerts.be/main.php?g2_itemId=51588 :)
11:33:31jimmioso... back to radioshack I guess.... Thanks everyone
11:34:07advcomp2019nice, gevaerts
11:34:31*B4gder coughs only a bit
11:34:46gevaertsActually markun's work
11:35:14advcomp2019o ok then pass it to markun then
11:35:19*B4gder suggests we schedule a talk session starting 12:00 CEST
11:35:25B4gderthat's in 25 mins
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11:35:41LloreanI agree
11:36:08scorche|shworks for me
11:36:09LloreanB4gder: Do any of these issues have priority, or should we just work that out at the beginning of the talking?
11:36:12B4gderhere's my rearranged list => http://pastebin.com/m19bbe555
11:36:25B4gderI think we take that when we start
11:36:51B4gderthe order in my file isn't in any particular prio
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11:37:56scorche|shhave we given a copy to amiconn to use the copy machine a bit for all of us yet?
11:40:08peturvideo of devcon will find a spot at http://www.dailymotion.com/group/RockboxDevcon2008 (one is underway...)
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11:42:49jimmiocyclic redundancy check is newest error...
11:42:58*wpyh just saw the Meizu M6 photo...
11:43:02jimmiotrying a format..., losing files, not caring
11:43:33markunwpyh: it's just the "Loading....." string which I edited in the firmware to make sure there is no checksum in there
11:43:50MU{lappy}jimmio: something corrupted, probably? CRCs are generally used to verify that data has not been corrupted/altered
11:44:25jimmioformatting drive like I said =P I'll report what I get when it's done
11:44:27wpyhmarkun: knew that ;)
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11:44:46wpyhI think most samsung firmware have no checksum
11:44:55wpyhfor example, the iriver t-series also don't have checksum
11:45:07PaulJam_just to throw in my (uninmprotant) opinion about removing DOOM and rockboy: i'm against removing them.
11:45:27B4gderme too
11:45:55markunwpyh: you didn't find a way to access the DFU mode in the irivers, did you?
11:46:11wpyhmarkun: no, I didn't :(
11:46:23jimmioI missed DOOM on my iPod? wow... I'm against removal of it too! Once I can get my iPod itself working that is =P
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11:48:49jimmioIt's formatting fine so far.... so I guess the file was corrupt?
11:51:19peturmore devcon pics online....
11:53:53*wpyh goes to dinner
11:55:05PaulJambtw, thanks for the illustration of the crossfade options in the manual (i never really understood the exact meaning of the delay settings).
11:56:11pixelmathank bascule :)
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12:01:52*petur has some problems getting the movie to show up in the correct group, for now, here's the url of the (short) movie... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5xwqm_devcon-movie-1_tech
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12:09:19scorche|shmeeting time..you can tune into the video stream to hear
12:11:27*petur is recording with proper equipment for future reference....
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12:34:27LloreanHi, this is Llorean. If/when you have a comment for us DevConners in general, highlight this nick and I'll try to pass it on
12:34:29LloreanOops
12:34:31LloreanWrong window
12:34:39DevCon2008Hi, this is Llorean. If/when you have a comment for us DevConners in general, highlight this nick and I'll try to pass it on
12:34:40JdGordonLlorean: no, we should be in here...
12:34:41scorche|shwell...or me ;)
12:34:50scorche|shoh..meh
12:34:51*JdGordon shushes..
12:36:45JdGordonDevCon2008: metronome is the only plugin which PLA really breaks isnt it?
12:36:52DevCon2008While we're here, anyone think of any *MAJOR* bugs they think should get in the way of a release? Things that prevent regular use of the player.
12:37:09LloreanJdGordon: It has caused problems with overlapping keys in other ones.
12:37:10JdGordononly wierd playback/list bugs
12:37:15DevCon2008That's on the list.
12:39:01JdGordonNO FREEZE!
12:39:10JdGordonbranch and freze on th ebrnahc
12:39:13JdGordonbranch
12:39:40JdGordonits not that bad...
12:39:54peturnice typo ;)
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12:40:08BigBambiJdGordon: It is all relative - for you, not too bad :P
12:40:20JdGordonmeh
12:41:24*JdGordon is off
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12:42:33BigBambiyes
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13:02:03BigBambiAll commiters at least
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13:20:58BigBambiFor me, once I know which button is which, I would like the functions on that button to be consistent
13:27:54B4gderamen
13:29:32DevCon2008And that's why all the keymap changes I made have been made. :)
13:29:42DevCon2008Er, Llorean made perhaps. :-P
13:29:49BigBambiDevCon2008: Yeah, I posted the patch for the gigabeat change :)
13:29:57scorche|shdont you have both clients open?
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13:36:07BigBambiOR from the filebrowser if you add files to it
13:36:13BigBambiBookmarks that is
13:36:28LloreanYes
13:44:20kugelinteresting topic now
13:44:38BigBambigpl version :)
13:44:44BigBambiOr am I lagging again :)
13:44:52kugelprobably
13:45:00BigBambi[/joke]
13:45:10kugeloh
13:45:21BigBambiGPL version discussion was about an hour ago
13:45:26bluebrothergpl has been discussed quite a while ago ...
13:45:40kugeland what came out?
13:45:59scorche|shwait for the podcast or pay closer attention ;)
13:46:27kugelwell, I was "breakfasting" an hour ago
13:46:34bluebrotherwe're podcasting? Uuuh, should watch my words closely ;-)
13:46:44scorche|shwell, look at petur
13:46:49BigBambibluebrother: I'm sure there can be some judicious editing :)
13:47:09petureh?
13:47:19bluebrotherremove all but the Rockbox jingle at the beginning?
13:47:34BigBambipetur: You are recording, and I assume the implication was to produce an editied podcast
13:47:38Nico_Pdo you guys have sound on the live feed?
13:47:42BigBambiNico_P: yes
13:47:42B4gderyes
13:47:45peturah right
13:47:54B4gderwe even save the stream...
13:47:59B4gderI hope
13:48:03BigBambi:)
13:48:07scorche|shNico_P: where were you when we were discussing playback? ;)
13:48:10Nico_Pah, reloading the page helped
13:48:22BigBambiNico_P: You were assigned some jobs :)
13:48:25Nico_Pscorche|sh: sleeping, probably :)
13:48:32*scorche|sh tsks
13:49:02*Nico_P hopes he will be able to do the jobs
13:49:22Nico_Pwas a relase/freeze date discussed?
13:49:52scorche|shit was
13:50:07scorche|shmainly that it will be decided when you fix the playback bugs ;)
13:50:22Nico_Poh... no pressure then :p
13:50:27scorche|shnope...none at all
13:51:05B4gderbut we're waiting...
13:51:15B4gder:-]
13:51:42scorche|shthat emoticon actually represents you quite well...
13:52:43Nico_Punfortunately RL is quite busy currently... I'm doing an internship with no access to external SVN. The evenings I don't have much coding time because my gf lives with me (plus, the internet link is crappy)
13:53:36Nico_PI'm moving soon, so hopefully the internet will get better, and my gf won't be living with me for all the "holiday" (she leaves on july 12th)
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14:00:05kugel"what about pluginlib action?" "we should commit more plugins" :)
14:00:18scorche|shno...that isnt pluginlib
14:00:24scorche|sh*action
14:04:46B4gderhttp://www.ustream.tv/recorded/519641
14:04:57B4gderalmost two hours of recording
14:05:08B4gderexperience it all again!
14:05:11*BigBambi just went away - are you stopping for a break?
14:05:15B4gderyes
14:05:21BigBambiany time set?
14:05:35BigBambifor restarting that is
14:05:54B4gdernot yet, there's no real hurry
14:05:55kugelB4gder: What time is the gpl discussion at?
14:06:06scorche|shkugel: search...
14:06:11BigBambiB4gder: sure, I only ask as I'd like to be around but not sit here waiting :)
14:06:12B4gderuh perhaps 1h in or so
14:06:13scorche|shjust skip a bit
14:06:23B4gderthe 3.0 discussion took 55mins
14:06:27B4gderroughly
14:07:08kugeluh
14:10:12ZagorLinusN: http://bjorn.haxx.se/fixed.ttf
14:17:17B4gderBigBambi: we'll record that session too
14:17:40LloreanBigBambi: The next session probably won't be quite as interesting.
14:18:43LloreanBigBambi: If we stick to the list, it's this page, from "ONLINE" onward http://pastebin.com/m19bbe555
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14:22:32B4gderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/06/28/rockbox-devcon-discussion-recorded/
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14:28:33bluebrotherZagor: td>h1 { border-bottom:1px solid black; }
14:28:44bluebrotherput it directly in the css file and it works for me
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14:30:33syn4psei am trying to implement a patch that makes a call to lcd_setmargins(). This function seems to be deprecated. Is there an equivalent?
14:30:47DevCon2008Use viewports.
14:30:53LloreanAugh
14:30:55LloreanUse viewports.
14:30:59*Llorean glares at the other window
14:30:59syn4psegotcha
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14:31:05syn4psethat bad, eh?
14:31:08LloreanIt's not needed for the time being.
14:31:15syn4pseok
14:31:50LloreanMargins are deprecated, though. Viewports handle things more widely
14:32:46*LinusN wishes the iriver engineers had used their brains when designing the h300
14:32:58Zagorbluebrother: but td>h1 will apply to all h1. all h1 are within a td
14:33:09B4gderLinusN: using brain is sooo 1990s
14:33:12Zagorcan I use twikitable>h1 ?
14:34:02bluebrothertry td.twikitable>h1
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14:34:44bluebrothergrrr. My local test looks differently between firefox and konqueror :(
14:35:00Zagorperhaps that's why my opera doesn't display iy
14:35:35Zagorno, it doesn't show in firefox either
14:36:48bluebrotherwould be much easier if those elements had a class or name :(
14:37:29Zagorindeed
14:38:04ZagorI'll be upgrading twiki "soon". perhaps the new version is more flexible in this regard.
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14:41:23bluebrotherjust had it hacked in and I like it much better with lines ...
14:42:56bluebrotherat least the removed top line makes it nicer.
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14:54:36Zagorbluebrother: so how did you do that works?
14:55:38Zagorline on all h1?
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14:56:46bluebrotherZagor: td h1{ border-bottom: 1px solid black; }
14:57:02bluebrotherthat will make all h1 elements inside of a td having the line
14:57:41bluebrotherstill trying if it's possible to use a named element on that cascading ... so far no luck
14:58:47Zagoryeah I need it more specific than that
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15:00:10bluebrotherhmm. Couldn't you simply add the additional CSS only if the page is generated by twiki?
15:00:33bluebrotheri.e. add another <style> in the template? Or doesn't that work with the template?
15:02:50Zagoryeah that's an option. but I would prefer to keep all styles in one file. can we perhaps use a div or span around the table/cell?
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15:06:25mcuelenaereCould someone help me finding this bug in http://pastebin.com/d1beb8dd5 ? It is supposed to be hidden in merge_hxf() and for some reason it doesn't do what the code says it should do (adding the readed binary after the fileheader; line 176)
15:08:12bluebrotherI don't think you're allowed to put a div around <td> elements (i.e. between <tr> and <td>)
15:08:28ZagorI can do it around the entire table
15:09:25bluebrotherhmm. Not sure if that will work. The table already is named
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15:09:54Lloreanmcuelenaere: What does it do instead?
15:10:34mcuelenaereLlorean: it corrupts the file
15:10:39mcuelenaerebut I think I found some bug at least
15:10:43mcuelenaereI forgot some fseek()'s
15:13:17Lloreanpreglow: Present, by chance?
15:13:56B4gderhttp://www.rockbox.org/devcon2008/meeting1.mp3
15:14:03B4gder146MB recording by Petur
15:15:54Zagorbluebrother: well I can name a div, the table or the td. surely one of those has to work?
15:15:56*petur excuses for the fact that the first part is actually using internal mic and has bad quality
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15:16:40roolkuB4gder: are you going to add the links to the video and audio recordings to the index http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2008/ ?
15:17:08Zagorroolku: I'm doing it now
15:17:19B4gderI'm delegating ;-)
15:17:28roolku:)
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15:21:52bluebrotherB4gder: what latex distribution is installed on the server? TeXlive?
15:22:53B4gderyes
15:25:37MarcGuayAny thoughts on the fact that the ipods use the hold switch for both dual-boot and reset-settings? The timing is terribly close.
15:26:09scorche|shit is really simple to just say "flip hold on *immediately* after hitting the button to turn it on
15:26:36*bluebrother would like hold to prevent entering usb mode
15:26:37MarcGuayscorche: and to reset settings?
15:27:10scorche|shwhat would you suggest instead?
15:27:47LloreanIsn't the problem in terms of what we can detect?
15:28:02scorche|shyes...i am not sure what else we can do
15:28:04*gevaerts thinks that bluebrother should just commit :)
15:28:08LloreanLike, if you were holding a button when leaving the bootloader, it wouldn't detect it, but it would detect hold?
15:28:15MarcGuayscorche: Another button, if it's possible. I've seen notes about the Menu key being used previously... And also, as Llorean stated, early detection issues...
15:28:17LloreanMeanwhile, Hold is definitely the easiest option for OF booting?
15:28:48scorche|shwell, the issue with the button is that you need to hold your finger quite still...it can be hard for some to trigger it
15:28:50PaulJam_Llorean: the resetting happens after the bootloader, so it should be possible to detect all buttons.
15:28:55Lloreanbluebrother: I personally think the hold switch should only, ever, affect what button presses do. I'm kinda dubious even on the issue of backlight being controlled by it.
15:29:26LloreanPaulJam_: You missed what I said. It's not whether they can be detected in the bootloader, but whether they can be detected if you start holding them during the bootloader, and continue doing so after you leave it.
15:29:35LloreanBut i'm not sure if i'm right about that
15:29:51PaulJam_Llorean: ah ok, sorry.
15:29:58LloreanI just seem to remember there being some exceedingly practical reason why Hold was the only option for clearing that could be reasonably used
15:31:22bluebrotherusers shouldn't boot the OF anyway ;-)
15:31:30MarcGuaySome targets don't even have a clear-settings-on-boot option, correct? (Archos player?)
15:31:47LloreanWell, the hold-switch method is only on the iPod I think.
15:32:01LloreanOther ones, clear is held by a more basic "press this button while booting" method
15:32:08MarcGuayLlorean: And the H10, me thinks. Others use the REC button if they have one.
15:32:13bluebrotherbut now, as we have settings-in-a-file for quite some while now that functionality could also get removed, couldn't it?
15:32:23LloreanPossibly
15:32:25bluebrotheryou should always be able to connect to a PC and delete that file
15:32:25*MarcGuay spent way too much time looking at main.c last night.
15:32:34LloreanUnless a setting is preventing booting due to some bug
15:32:43bluebrotherdrawback is that you can't do this in all occations. Like when travelling
15:32:45LloreanOr for example, trying to resume something not there and causing a crash
15:32:53MarcGuaybluebrother: If you're on the move it's handy to have the capability on-target.
15:32:58LloreanNow...
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15:33:07LloreanBootloader USB mode would help this, since it'd always be available
15:33:14LloreanAlso, if you made the settings clear in the BOOTLOADER rather than the build...
15:33:25LloreanSince it's in a file now, the bootloader can just remove config.cfg
15:33:35LloreanPossibly a settings clear on boot should also remove fixed.cfg
15:34:24bluebrotherI had bootloader usb mode on my mini for quite a while now. Unfortunately I accidentally overwrote that bootloader yesterday
15:34:48LloreanBut bootloader USB mode is needed if the settings clear is removed from the build, for "worst case" situations.
15:34:52LloreanOR settings clear in the bootloader
15:34:55LloreanOr very possibly, both. :)
15:36:10*bluebrother wonders if dimming the sansas scroll ring would be possible
15:36:39PaulJam_wouldn't this contradict the philisophy of letting the bootloader only do what is absolutely neccessary?
15:36:41pixelmabluebrother: I believe there was a patch in the tracker for it that uses PWM
15:36:43LloreanIt's been done in a patch, bluebrother, I think
15:37:04bluebrothernice. Should search for that
15:37:14bluebrotherPaulJam_: I think so.
15:37:17LloreanPaulJam_: You need a clear definition of "necessary" though
15:37:20scorche|shPaulJam_: yes...that is what i was bringing up
15:37:59scorche|shi dont think the bootloader should really be doing things besides what is necessary to boot on load (hence the name)
15:38:09scorche|sherrr...load on boot
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15:43:37Tyrohello
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15:44:26Tyrocan somebody help me with rockbox for the ipod photo plz?
15:44:43avisi was wondering if anyone could tell me how long a hard drive in a ipod 4th gen 20gb might last ?
15:44:57MarcGuayTyro: Explain what you've done so far, where you're stuck, etc.
15:45:25MarcGuayavis: It depends on usage. If you drop it, it might not last 10 seconds.
15:45:58avisMarcGuay, are they all like that ? are hard drive mp3 players really delicate ?
15:46:34advcomp2019avis, there is even flash based ones
15:46:36MarcGuayavis: They're all basically the same. And because they have moving parts (unlike flash), they can be pretty fragile, yes.
15:46:51Bgeravis : it also depends on whether the disk is spinning reading etc in the moment the unit faces the ground ...
15:46:55avisthank you
15:46:57avisok
15:47:44Bgermine has survived 2 drops on the pavement (from a belt height)
15:47:52aviswhat mp3 player would you guys recommend ? i had gotten a gigabeat a long time ago, i sold it though because i did not like the controls on it. other than gigabeat, whats a good one?
15:48:44advcomp2019avis, depends on what you need
15:48:46PaulJam_avis: you should look at the BuyersGuide wikipage.
15:48:54avisok
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15:51:25xqtftqxGuys, Ive Edited the Gigabeat S firmware upgrader and changed it to mostly english
15:51:34xqtftqxif anybodys intrested i can give you the li k
15:51:41xqtftqxlink*
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15:54:48xqtftqxI have to go, if anybody wants the link, http://sites.google.com/site/xqtftqxssite/projects
15:55:32MarcGuayThe Boxes theme is broken on the Nano.
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15:56:06Tyroso okay, i have installed rockbox on my ipod photo... it runs but ther a lot of color mistakes.. somebody an idea to fix it?
15:56:40MarcGuayTyro: It's a known bug that's being worked on.
15:56:51xqtftqxTheres a build that fixes i think
15:57:02BigBambisort
15:57:05BigBambiof
15:57:21Tyroi have saw an youtube video where it runs perfect
15:57:32BigBambiTyro: there are different hardware revisions
15:57:37stripwaxTyro - I thought that the patch has already been committed?
15:57:45BigBambistripwax: nope
15:57:55stripwaxoh..
15:58:12BigBambiTyro: The problm is fixing it properly - the issue is known, and how to fix it, but no-one has done it
15:58:17Tyrowhere i can get this patch?
15:58:28Tyrookay..
15:58:30Tyro:o(
15:58:48BigBambiTyro: either from flyspray (patches link on the left of www.rockbox.org), or look for the forum threD
15:58:52BigBambi*thread
15:59:12BigBambistripwax: amiconn commited some ipl code blind, but it wasn't the answer
15:59:41xqtftqxhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7135.0
15:59:53xqtftqxWhat version of apple firmware are you using?
15:59:55BigBambistripwax: IIUC, there is an endianess switch that the init code needs to be corrected for, which means dissasembling a certain OF firmware version to find it
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16:01:06BigBambistripwax: It was discussed briefly in the devcon meting today :)
16:01:25Nico_Pwhich FS bug report corresponds to "playlist skipping songs"? is it FS #8977?
16:01:34xqtftqxoh, that was today?
16:02:05BigBambixqtftqx: yesterday till tomorrow
16:02:10stripwaxxqtftqx - that's an ancient forum thread, so only about one-third of the story :)
16:02:27xqtftqxOh Cool
16:02:40xqtftqxAny Big Plans, BigBambi?
16:03:08BigBambixqtftqx: Not off the top of my head, but the recording is available and I'm sure someone will write a little summary
16:03:28xqtftqxOh, wheres the recording?
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16:04:11BigBambixqtftqx: The link is in the logs somewhere I think
16:04:25BigBambiah, and bagder's blog
16:04:27xqtftqxK thanks
16:04:31BigBambidaniel.haxx.se/blog
16:04:39xqtftqxThanks
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16:06:26xqtftqxBigBambi: Did you see the link i did above? The Moded Gigabeat Updater
16:06:42BigBambiyes, but I'm not about to download and run a random .exe
16:07:01xqtftqxYeah I know, i was afraid of that
16:07:04BigBambibesides which, it isn't much use on linux
16:07:39xqtftqxYeah, but it was edited because everybody is saying theres no "easy" install on windows
16:08:08xqtftqxCool, The Rockbox Dev Is Live?
16:08:11JdGordonLlorean: has anyone done a highlights summary from the discussion yet? or wait for that later?
16:08:17xqtftqxYou can watch it live
16:08:41Nico_PJdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2008/ has a short summary
16:09:33BigBambiNico_P: very short indeed
16:10:00BigBambixqtftqx: yes, and recorded too
16:10:04MarcGuayDiscussion time is here: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/519641.
16:10:06JdGordon(re menus) "Basically these are never-ending issues that we delegate to the RSB." <- thats a cop out answer....
16:10:20xqtftqx"Plugins lingering in the tracker"
16:10:24xqtftqxI like that one :)
16:10:38*JdGordon also
16:10:46JdGordonbut im too lazy to make sure they are commitable
16:10:58xqtftqx:p
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16:13:11xqtftqxXqtftqx thinks this is gonna be a good summer for rockbox
16:14:02MarcGuayJdGordon: Looks like the Boxes theme is broken on the nano... Possibly condition viewports/%m related?
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16:16:02JdGordonMarcGuay: yes, pixelma mentioned it and was nice enough to ignore my request to tracker it so I owuldnt forget... ill look at it tomorw (if i remember)
16:16:34avisanyone use rockbox on a ipod videos ? controls ok on that unit ?
16:16:58BigBambiavis: I think so yes, but it is of course personal preference
16:17:12avisthank you.
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16:18:45MarcGuayLlorean, scorche: I build a version for the Nano which checked for the menu button instead of the hold switch and it didn't work... But what I did find (and verified with a clean build) is that holding the Menu button from the off position will boot the OF.
16:18:50MarcGuay*built
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16:23:38MarcGuaySeems as though the ipod bootloader checks for the Menu key as well as the Hold switch...
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16:43:02LloreanMarcGuay: Yes.
16:43:07LloreanThe Menu key was the old way
16:43:13LloreanHold was added, rather than replacing the old way.
16:43:25LloreanHold was added because Menu worked, but was unreliable for all users.
16:43:33MarcGuayLlorean: So it's at least possible to check the menu button... Ah...
16:44:10LloreanYou can check any button in the bootloader
16:44:27LloreanThe problem, iiuc, is that if you're holding it down already in the bootloader, when the main firmware boots it won't get detected.
16:44:37LloreanSo to use something other than hold would require someone press it *after* the bootloader is left.
16:44:43LloreanFor iPod at least
16:44:47LloreanIt's not true everywhere, iiuc.
16:45:02B4gder30 viewers
16:45:08B4gderof nothing!
16:45:19*JdGordon wonders how the heck he broke the peakmeters
16:45:35BgerDevConf people: regarding pluginlib actions: what about 6 keys (i mean, what's happening with the 'quit' ?)
16:46:10*petur wonders that too while looking at the code
16:46:22JdGordonpetur: your sure its 17763?
16:46:28petur101%
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16:47:09LloreanBger: Harder to standardize. Every player, being a music player, needs basic navigation and selection. There's no guarantee, though, that every player will have a single key suitable for "quit" in the same way (for some it may require toggling the hold switch, for example)
16:47:32LloreanBesides, they're all going to need *some* customization anyway
16:47:59BgerLlorean, yeah, that's true, but it would be good to have a 'standard' key or combo for exiting from every plugin...
16:48:16LloreanYeah, agreed on that
16:48:18MarcGuayLlorean: I build with SETTINGS_RESET on the play button and can't get it to be recognized. Looks like this is the only way.
16:48:36LloreanBger: There's no reason we can't encourage people to use it though
16:48:40LloreanA standard key, that is
16:48:45MarcGuayI'm just going to document the timing.
16:48:47Bgeryep :)
16:48:55LloreanMarcGuay: There's probably a VERY small time period to press it. :)
16:48:55pixelmaJdGordon: I didn't put it in the tracker because I thought of fixing it myself - it just looks like you pasted the complete cabbiev2 code into boxes (for the nano)
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16:49:09JdGordonacidental save-as...
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16:49:34pixelmaah, so do you want to fix it?
16:50:04JdGordonnot tonight...
16:50:11pixelmaok
16:51:56JdGordonhaha... who said "yeah but thats just bugs"... re PLA?
16:52:01Nico_Pto DevConners:what do you guys think of possibly creating code docs with doxygen? I think it hasn't been brought up in a long time and IMHO it could be pretty useful
16:52:25JdGordontoo much effort to get it useable was the usual answer isnt it?
16:52:43LloreanNico_P: Yeah, the usual answer is "great idea, but the hard part is getting all caught up" I think
16:53:01B4gderand I've not yet seen a good doxygen code and docs site
16:53:13B4gderit one of those good in principle, never in practise
16:53:15PaulJambtw, why does only the cabbiev2 theme reset the filetype colours? all the other themes don't contain that line.
16:53:20Nico_PI once started converting many comments to doxygen... wasn't too much effort
16:53:44LloreanPaulJam: They all predated colours and haven't been updated, I guess.
16:53:45LearIn case a developer finds the time to write function docs, it'd be nice to use common way though.
16:53:49bluebrotherNico_P: just start it by doing your commits consistently ;-)
16:54:02Nico_Pit could be done gradually and there are already quite a few commented funcs
16:54:15bluebrothermaybe others will follow that. I tried to use doxygen comments in rbutil sometimes too
16:54:19B4gderWell, using the doxygen format could of course not hurt much
16:54:31bluebrotherunfortunately I wasn't consequent enough
16:55:05Nico_Pknowing you guys don't mind, I'll probably start converting code I know then
16:55:56Nico_Plately (at work) I've been using doxygen quite a lot and it's pretty nice for easy code navigation
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16:57:42Nico_Pone more question for devconners: which FS bug report corresponds to "playlist skipping songs"? is it FS #8977?
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16:58:13Nico_Palso using the "due in version" attribute on FS could be a good idea
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16:58:39MarcGuayCould it be said that "To reset the settings on the iPod, turn the whole switch on immediately after the backlight comes on."?
16:58:43LloreanNico_P: If we have a release manager, they can use the "Due in version"
16:58:47MarcGuayOr is that only true for the nano?
16:59:07LloreanNico_P: I don't know if there's a tracker entry for it. I think I *might* have posted one, but Flyspray's a bit flaky right now
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16:59:19Nico_PLlorean: I've allowed myself to set FS #9110 as due in 3.0
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16:59:32Nico_PI wanted to do the same for "playlist skipping songs"
16:59:45Nico_Pand also read about details
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17:01:47LloreanNico_P: Did you listen to the devcon chat, by chance?
17:01:55Nico_Pno
17:02:22LloreanThe playlist skipping songs and the playlist freezing at the end are the two big showstoppers that _must_ be fixed.
17:02:38LloreanThey are at the very top end of the high-priority list
17:02:39Nico_PI agree
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17:02:49LloreanIt's in the chat.
17:02:51Llorean:)
17:03:46MarcGuaypixelma: Care to help with a rephrasing of "You can also reset all settings to their default values by turning off the \dap, and turning it back on with the \ButtonHold\ button on.} for the ipods?
17:04:39LloreanFor the iPods "To reset your iPod's settings, power on the player with the hold switch enabled, or if impossible, enable the hold switch immediately after power on." ?
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17:06:21pixelmaMarcGuay: I would if I could (but don't even know the timing and as a non-native speaker...)
17:06:24MarcGuayLlorean: In the case of the nano that will just boot the OF.
17:06:37LloreanNico_P: I've marked 9110 Critical and due in 3.0
17:06:45LloreanMarcGuay: Oh, right.
17:06:47LloreanClearing settings.
17:06:54LloreanSorry, "after the backlight turns on, enable the hold switch"
17:07:04MarcGuayLlorean: Is that true for all ipods?
17:07:10LloreanI *think* it is.
17:07:22LloreanThe backlight comes on once the Rockbox bootloader has been entered, I believe.
17:07:26amiconnNot for the 1st/2nd Gen
17:07:36Llorean=/
17:07:42MarcGuayRight, just ones with the 4G_PAD.
17:07:57LloreanSo, fix the older ones to behave the same way. :-P
17:07:58amiconnThere the bootloader doesn't enable the backlight, 'cause that would cause backlight inversion, and the apple loader doesn't enable it either
17:08:06MarcGuayThere appears to be no reset-settings for the earlier ipods.
17:09:06*JdGordon listening to the recording.... imo the theme site should definatly be lauched before or with the release... not after
17:09:24B4gder"should" being the operative word...
17:09:26LloreanJdGordon: We all think it *should* be
17:09:33LloreanWe just don't think it should stop the release if it gets delayed further
17:09:54pixelmaMarcGuay: there's also the 3rd gen Ipod itself...
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17:10:17MarcGuaypixelma: Which doesn't seem to have a settings-reset-on-boot option either.
17:10:34pixelmaah, ok. haven't checked
17:11:02MarcGuayOnly targets with record buttons, the gigabeat, the h10, and the ipods have it.
17:11:10MarcGuay*ipod 4g+
17:12:20LloreanThat's not many, really
17:12:57MarcGuayLlorean: True. Just saying it for the record.
17:13:12amiconn6 in total
17:13:32MarcGuaySo would it be safe to say for the 4G_PAD targets "flick hold after the backlight comes on?"...
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17:17:22LloreanMarcGuay: Do you have an iPod?
17:17:29MarcGuayLlorean: Just the nano.
17:17:42LloreanAh
17:17:46Llorean's all I have too.
17:18:22MarcGuayCare to borrow a few and test or would it be easier to use vaguer wording?
17:18:34MarcGuay"If the OF boots you've done it too soon"
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17:18:52gevaertsIs there a reason for CATEGORIES to not be sorted ?
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17:20:22B4gdernot that I know
17:22:06LloreanMarcGuay: Works on the 5G as well
17:22:36LloreanAnd on the Mini
17:22:36MarcGuayLlorean: The backlight-on timing? Think it's good enough to add. \
17:22:40MarcGuayLlorean: Nice.
17:22:45LloreanThanks to amiconn for testing that one
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17:37:19fmlbluebrother: here?
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17:37:24J-23Hi!
17:37:37J-23Can somebody help me with repairing Sansa C240? (priv please)
17:38:53scorche|shJ-23: why not in the main channel here?
17:39:37gevaertsAnd what's wrong with it ?
17:39:49fmlbluebrother: could you please show the dap model in the progress dialog in the RBUtil so that the user knows what's being installed? I know it's displayed in the main window but it would also be good to see it in the 'Installing' window.
17:40:04LloreanWhy?
17:40:19LloreanWith current versions of RButil, it's much harder to accidentally install the wrong model anyway
17:40:27gevaertsAnother way to find out this info is to look at the DAP
17:40:29LloreanCurrent being "those in SVN"
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17:41:33Domonokyrbutil now warns if you install a build for a other player, than you already have installed.. :-)
17:41:59fmlLlorean: I use the version available on the wiki and have several times ried to install a wrong version since I have two players.
17:42:15Lloreanfml: As I said, the in-SVN version is MUCH improved in this area
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17:42:26LloreanIt will check what model player is attached, and ask for a confirmation if you're trying to install the wrong version
17:43:04fmlLlorean: why isn't it on the wiki then?
17:43:33Lloreanfml: Because we don't immediately release a new version every time a non-critical change goes in.
17:44:33fmlLlorean: it could be as with the 'current build' −− not a release but just the last version built
17:44:48LloreanNot a good idea
17:44:56LloreanYou want the available version of the installer to actually _work_
17:45:22LloreanThere are many, many people overseeing the builds who can make emergency fixes
17:45:27LloreanRelatively few people look at the installer code
17:46:02Domonokyand its difficult to automatically generate the rbutil builds (we need linux, win and mac) ..
17:46:23LloreanMaybe we should try to schedule releases though.
17:46:39LloreanEven when there's no major changes, as long as there's updates post new binaries every two months or something?
17:46:42bertrikoh, rockblox1d was committed
17:46:59*bertrik wonders if it should be under demos rather than games :P
17:47:06*Llorean thinks it should
17:47:14PaulJamhmm, wy does the rockblox1d score not start at 0 ?
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17:48:03LloreanWhat's it start at?
17:48:14fmlBut the version available is quite old. Could you put a 'good enogh' version in?
17:48:25bertrik341260
17:48:27PaulJam341260 for me
17:48:29Domonokyrbutils Mac version is on version behind.. we need people which can build rbutil correctly for our tragets (static builds)..
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17:50:17LloreanPaulJam: I'd say that's definitely a bug then. :)
17:50:49PaulJam"unsigned long int score = 34126;" i guess that is where it comes from.
17:50:59B4gderhaha
17:51:01fmlPaulJam: ...unless you're given credits for FS #9110! :-)
17:51:20J-23scorche|sh: is hardware support on this channel too?
17:51:46LloreanJ-23: Depends on whether it's rockbox related. But if it's not, then you can go to the -community channely
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17:52:19J-23My question is hardware-related only.
17:54:15LloreanSo, in -community
17:54:24J-23ok.
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17:56:02MarcGuayCan I get a roll-call of players that have hardware shutdowns? The manual currently only mentions the Archoses, and I know the e200 has long-power... Any others?
17:56:32krazykityou can flip the battery switch on gigabeats
17:57:12LloreanMarcGuay: iPods have hardware reset, which is similar
17:58:04gevaertsThe D2 also seems to shut down if you hold power long enough
17:58:21pixelmathe Iaudios too, at least M5 and X5 (long hold of "Power" too) and it's not only the e200, the c200 has the same too
17:58:27gevaertsAnd the gigabeats have externally accessible battery switches
17:58:38pixelmaabout the M3, we should ask amiconn
17:59:27bertrikI think all players with an AS3514 can do the long-power shutdown, so all players with PP5024 and also the sansa c200 which has a separate AS3514 chip
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18:14:15AubriOk...I've got a question and it's not listed in the FAQ that I saw but I'm not sure if you all can help me...But I'll explain and see. Somehow my iPOD has gotten stuck in another language...Is there an easy way to get it back to being in English...Not sure if this is an Apple issue or a rockbox issue so I figured I'd ask here first.
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18:15:00MarcGuayAubri: It depends which firmware is in not-English.
18:15:05Ph0ny^FYI: RockBox breath life into one of my old Ipods :)
18:15:21Ph0ny^RockBox do ROCK!
18:15:31AubriHow do I tell which firmware isn't in English?
18:15:46MarcGuayAubri: Is it in the Apple firmware or in Rockbox?
18:15:51AubriPart of the menu items and whatnot are showing up as English. Part are showing up as another language.
18:16:07AubriRockbox at the moment.
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18:16:34MarcGuayErr. Find the "Language" entry in the settings and change it to English.
18:16:51MarcGuayAubri: You could also reset the settings, which default to English.
18:16:52PaulJamAubri: the easiest way would be to reset the settings, alternatively you could remove the language line from .rockbox/config.cfg
18:17:16AubriProblem is that I can't get to the general settings to get to the language entry...I can get to settings..But when I try to get to general nothing happens.
18:17:46bertrikRockbox has a 'reset settings' key for many players that you can hold at startup to reset settings. There's probably also one for the ipods
18:17:57MarcGuayIs the Gigabeat battery switch documented anywhere in the manual code or do I need to refer to it literally?
18:18:26AubriHow do you reset the settings?
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18:18:46bertrikI don't know how for ipods, but it's probably in the manual
18:18:46MarcGuayAubri: Turn the player off. Turn it back on, and immediately when the backlight activates, flip the hold switch on.
18:18:52LloreanMarcGuay: You need to toggle it for the bootloader install to complete on the F
18:18:53AubriWell this is an iPOD video 30GB...
18:18:55MarcGuaybetrik: :) I just added it.
18:18:57LloreanBut I'm not sure how it's described.
18:19:14MarcGuayLlorean: Thanks, will check.
18:19:20gevaertsMarcGuay: This is a real pure hardware switch without any software interaction, so I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't have any definition yet
18:20:03MarcGuayIt's referred to literally, no macro. Thanks guys.
18:20:21AubriThank you. Hold on. I'll do that.
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18:22:50AubriThank you MarkGuay. It worked.
18:23:11AubriAnd your help was much appreciated.
18:23:16MarcGuayamiconn: Is there a hardware poweroff on the M3?
18:23:20MarcGuayAubri: No problem.
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18:27:49*MarcGuay realizes that the M3 doesn't have a manual anyway...
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18:28:34pixelmatrue that...
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18:32:14preglowLlorean: kind of
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18:33:39peturJdGordon: peakmeters fixed
18:33:48Lloreanpreglow: If i could remember what I wanted to ask you, it'd be great. =/
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18:35:07preglowLlorean: :)
18:35:35Lloreanpreglow: Something came up here at devcon and it reminded me of something I wanted to ask you, but I really have no clue, at all, of what it was. =/
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18:37:57preglowLlorean: oh well, i'll be around for the rest of they day anyway, fi you do remember
18:39:15preglowanyone know how to erase characters in irssi under mac os x? :>
18:39:38pixelmais this an irssi report channel? ;)
18:39:59preglowproblem is i don't know how to switch channels either :P
18:40:06pixelmaehh... support too
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18:46:28*PaulJam wonders what an "ppm and rppm viewer" is.
18:47:13LloreanPaulJam: http://netpbm.sourceforge.net/doc/ppm.html perhaps? What is this in reference to?
18:47:21bertrikppm is portable pixmap IIRC, but no idea about rppm
18:47:30B4gderLlorean: to the plugin just committed I would think
18:47:32pixelmasomeone needs to write the documentation....
18:49:00B4gderpixelma: I'm sure his next commit will bring that :-)
18:49:15MarcGuaypixelma: Arg. How can I get a simple space to follow the button-press in this line? \opt{SANSA_E200_PAD,SANSA_C200_PAD,IAUDIO_X5_PAD,IAUDIO_M5_PAD}{\ButtonPower}% until the \dap{} shuts off.%
18:49:51MarcGuaypixelma: It ends up reading "down Poweruntil the player"
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18:50:28pixelmayou would need to remove the % (or put the space right before it)
18:50:55pixelma% marks the beginning of a comment
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18:52:06pixelmathe problem is though that if you have more than one \opt line you sometimes get an additional space for each additional \opt line
18:53:00pixelmaso the % workaround helps avoiding those
18:56:35*gevaerts will try to get DerPapst to write the documentation, but if not he'll do it himself
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18:57:27amiconnMarcGuay: has no hardware poweroff. It needs a paperclip like the coldfire irivers
18:57:37amiconnAdd 'M3' where appropriate
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19:18:34B4gder24 different supported targets are present here
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19:22:17shadoxxAnyone have a link to the Sansa unbrick utility?
19:22:34shadoxxseems as though woot! has shipped me a bricked mp3 player
19:22:47LloreanBricked in what way?
19:23:19B4gderand what sansa?
19:23:22shadoxxFirst of all, it doesn't have a way to switch it to mass storage mode in the menu. Which is odd in itself.
19:23:26shadoxxSansa e250
19:23:27bluebrotherunbrick utility?
19:23:35LloreanIf you're in the OF it's definitely not bricked...
19:23:51bluebrotherthen your firmware is too new.
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19:23:57*Zagor witnesses the complete inflation of the meaning of "bricked"
19:24:13bluebrothermaybe we should create some bricks at devcon :)
19:24:15shadoxxWell, whenever I connect it to my pc, it works for a little bit, then freezes
19:24:38shadoxxSo maybe not 'bricked' in the way that it doesn't load at all. But something is corrupted somewhere
19:24:55Lloreanshadoxx: Then copy over a new firmware file in recovery mode
19:25:14shadoxxkk. how do i get into recovery mode with the sansa?
19:25:41bertrikwhat kind of sansa is it, a v1, v2, rhapsody, what firmware version?
19:25:49shadoxxumm
19:25:53shadoxxlemme check.
19:26:22shadoxx01.01.05P
19:26:33shadoxxApparently the region for it is Asian. O_o
19:27:44shadoxxoh
19:27:49shadoxxFound out how to get it into recovery mode.
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19:29:52bertrikI'm running the latest 01.02.24E version of the OF (which is the latest OF version AFAIK) and it could be rockboxed without any problem through the rbutilqt program
19:30:33Lloreanbertrik: Manual entry of MSC mode?
19:31:34bertrikLlorean: yes, it allowed me to change USB mode to MSC (it's MTP by default)
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19:32:18shadoxxAnd it seems as though trying to put mine into recovery mode just makes it freeze. :|
19:33:13bertrikalthough I did only update the .mi4 file, not the .rom
19:33:18Lloreanbertrik: Some firmware revisions don't have an option. At least, for the c200.
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19:43:13shadoxxOk, have it in recovery mode now. Seems as thought it's decided to co-operate
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19:48:00Tyrohello
19:48:51Tyroi try to build in the patch FS #9122 in rockbox for ipod photo..
19:49:32Tyrohow does it work? i cant find firmware/export/config-ipodcolor.h
19:49:43Tyrosorry iam such a newbie..
19:50:19scorche|shTyro: see the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page
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19:51:36bertrikshadoxx: I vaguely remember something bad about 1.03.xx firmwares for sansa e200, better stick to a 1.02.xx firmware
19:51:54shadoxxI can't seem to find a link to any firmwares. ._.
19:52:07shadoxxbesides 1.00.12
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19:56:06bertrikshadoxx: maybe you should get other people's opinion first before upgrading, I quite sure (but not 100%) that you can upgrade from 1.01.xx to 1.02.xx. Also I'm not completely sure if it works with just a .mi4 update or if you also need to update the .rom file
19:56:49shadoxxi'm just extracting the whole .7z file into the 16MB-Recovery
19:57:03shadoxxwell, here goes nothing
19:57:06bertrikNO, STOP
19:57:16shadoxx?
19:57:22shadoxxstopped
19:57:42shadoxx.mi4 and .rom are two different update files?
19:57:57bertrikmake sure you've read and understand the stuff under "A word of caution WARNING" on the SansaE200Unbrick page
19:58:27shadoxxlink?
19:58:34bertrikhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick
19:58:57bertrikI assumed you've already read it because you know how to enter recovery mode
19:59:57shadoxxshould I delete the VERSION.TXT?
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20:00:04shadoxxit was in the 16MB part
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20:00:32saratogaanyone mind if I close this? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17428.msg128586;topicseen#msg128586
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20:01:51shadoxxhmmm, so. copied over the .mi4 file to the recovery partition, and nothing happened
20:02:03bertrikshadoxx: just copy the .mi4 file, don't put on any other files
20:02:10shadoxxI did
20:02:20shadoxxunplugged the player, after safely removing
20:02:24shadoxxturned it on
20:02:26shadoxxnothing
20:02:51*B4gder is going for a highscore in the category "most files changed in a single commit"
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20:03:26bertrikshadoxx: nothing? just stays black?
20:03:39shadoxxno, it boots to the firmware i already had on it
20:03:40shadoxx:-\
20:04:59bertrikok, if that didn't work, I'm out of ideas
20:05:19shadoxxwell wtf lulz
20:05:36shadoxxhow do i tell if i have a rhapsody one
20:05:52B4gder1324 files to be modified
20:05:55shadoxxwait no, ti says on it c250.
20:05:57shadoxxoh shit
20:06:08shadoxxyou're kidding me right
20:06:12bertrikargh
20:06:30shadoxxdammit woot!
20:06:42scorche|shshadoxx: really...stop using such language
20:07:01shadoxxgah
20:07:28shadoxxI'm just going to do this when I get home tonight. Seems as though the wrong model was listed on Woot! when they sold it to me. I just saw where it was marked on the player.
20:07:42shadoxxIs the c200 series compatible with rockbox?
20:08:13scorche|shthe v1s are
20:08:13gevaertsThe v1, yes
20:08:19bertriksome c200s are, some others are not because they use different hardware
20:08:37shadoxxah. ok. And what region is America? A?
20:09:25scorche|shshadoxx: your device is fine for rockbox use as has been said...
20:09:26shadoxxanyway. bbl. teh workz0r
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20:09:48scorche|shwhen you do come back, please try to use real words...
20:09:51scorche|shbah
20:10:03B4gdergoing going...
20:10:09scorche|shgone?
20:10:19B4gder1324 files
20:10:35B4gdermodified in one commit
20:10:39bertrikwhat did you change, svn props, whitespace?
20:10:44pixelmanice number
20:10:50B4gdercomments in the source code header
20:11:13PaulJampetur: now that you seem to be familiar with the peakmeter code in the rec screen you might want to look at FS #9128 :)
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20:11:52B4gderthey now explicitly say we are v2 or later
20:12:04*bluebrother just wanted to guess "license"
20:12:05peturPaulJam: actually, I'm dealing with the can of worms I opened while looking at that bug
20:12:21bluebrotherbtw, have we fixed a time for going through the second page yet?
20:13:03Lloreanbluebrother: Not yet.
20:13:43bluebrothermaybe we should before we got too much beer? ;-)
20:14:19bluebrotherB4gder: is the number the reason the svn list on the frontpage is stuck?
20:15:41B4gdernah, it's there
20:16:04B4gderbut it appears as several commits for some lame reason
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20:17:09bluebrothernumber overflow?
20:17:48*B4gder points to a little brother somewhere in this room
20:17:55pregloware those trappist beers i see there? :>
20:17:57bluebrotherhmm, something in your calculation is wrong. several commits appear as "and 1294 more files"
20:18:10peturchimay red/blue/white
20:18:23preglowall of them excellent
20:18:26B4gderbluebrother: yes, it should cut after 30 and show the first 30
20:18:46gevaertspreglow: actually not. The bottles are empty
20:19:15pixelmayeah, petur brought last year's
20:19:15B4gderand now it works again
20:19:28preglowgevaerts: sounds like quite a production flaw :>
20:19:35peturnot really, almost ;)
20:19:54gevaertspreglow: actually, empty bottles are interesting as well. You can stack them
20:20:46bluebrotheror try to sell them on ebay ;-)
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20:24:17*gevaerts is impressed by amiconn's hub
20:24:54bertrikhow so?
20:26:03gevaertsIt triggers a nice hight number of usb resets
20:26:22saratogahave you gotten anywhere recently with the hub reset issue?
20:26:48saratogabertrik: any thoughts about when the Sansa battery charging stuff could be committed?
20:27:08Lloreansaratoga: We're using the OF values, right?
20:27:21saratogayes
20:27:29saratogaat least we have them, so they could be easily used
20:27:36saratogai don't recall if the most recent patch uses them or not
20:27:38bertriksaratoga: Sorry, I haven't looked at that in a while. The problem is that in some weird cases, the charger won't indicate that charging is done.
20:28:00saratogai thought it stopped charging on its own?
20:29:38bertrikI'm not completely sure yet that it actually does. The datasheet says to stop charging by manually setting a bit once the charger indicates it's ready.
20:30:03saratogaso it probably keeps trickle charging forever once the battery is full
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20:31:35bertriksaratoga: yes, that's what I think it does
20:32:03saratogabertrik: is it likely that the OF is able to work around this?
20:32:12saratogaor do you think they just trickle charge forever sometimes
20:32:33bertrikI don't know
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20:41:29bluebrotherwho's familiar with sansapatcher?
20:41:48B4gderI linuxstb I think
20:41:55*B4gder removes an I
20:42:46LloreanHe would be the absolute most familiar, yes.
20:43:40bluebrotherI'm wondering if I can use the hasoldbootloader variable in struct sansa to detect an already installed bootloader
20:43:51pixelmamaybe barrywardell too? Though he didn't show up for a long while...
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20:44:13bluebrotherwould be interested in a way to figure if a bootloader is already installed for Ipods
20:46:13B4gderbluebrother: for a sansa I think you can use that
20:46:36B4gderbluebrother: it will only fail for those who installed rockbox in the beginning of the port's life
20:49:14bluebrotherI just tried and it always tells me I don't have an old bootloader :/
20:49:33B4gder:-(
20:49:41*preglow does the 3.0 dance
20:49:50B4gdernow that's a fine dance!
20:49:54*Llorean joins in.
20:50:17preglowa fine decision too
20:50:33*gevaerts thinks that we need codenames for releases
20:50:38LloreanWe had codenames
20:50:45preglowdidnt we have some? :>
20:50:50preglowyeah
20:51:04LloreanFireworks and something else
20:51:31preglowDoesntwork
20:51:34PaulJamMayday
20:52:20LloreanRight, there we go
20:52:25LloreanSo, we need a new 3.0 codename
20:52:55LloreanSince the release date is going to be more flexible this time, and Fireworks won't make the same sense
20:53:00B4gder"wine 1.0 took longer" !
20:53:06B4gder:-)
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20:53:19tyroso..
20:53:45Lloreantyro: I don't understand the question. Please elaborate.
20:53:59tyroi try :)
20:54:15*B4gder offers an answer: tried the manual?
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20:55:49*bluebrother joins gevaerts with the codenames
20:58:03preglowB4gder: decided how we will deal with manuals around release time, btw?
20:58:47bluebrotherwe need some warm bodies to take care of that ..
20:59:04LloreanWe either get them finished, or we say "there is no official manual for this release" and copy sections of them as "install guides" for the release targets, in my opinion.
20:59:11bluebrotherbtw, shouldn't we think about discussing the second page in the not-so-far future?
20:59:23bluebrotherwe can still release the manuals later
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21:00:10B4gdernobody reads them anyway :-P
21:00:12Lloreanbluebrother: Agreed, on both counts
21:00:16SilveryHello everyone, Since rockbox doesnt work on the ipod nano video's i was wondering if theres any utility to sync them that isnt as big of a pig
21:00:44LloreanThat doesn't belong here.
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21:00:57scorche|shSilvery: welcome to #rockbox...wherewe talk about (surprisingly) rockbox-related topics only
21:00:59xqtftqxWhy do we need new manuals?
21:00:59Silveryi donno where else to ask
21:01:00B4gderand it does work on ipod nanos 1st gen
21:01:00bluebrothernano video? Nano or video?
21:01:18scorche|shSilvery: that isnt out problem, really...
21:01:21scorche|shour
21:01:23SilveryThe nano 3rd gen or w/e ... the nano video...
21:01:33Lloreanxqtftqx: We don't. We need the current manuals to be "done"
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21:01:48SilveryWell i wouldnt be asking if rockbox worked on it ;)
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21:02:04LloreanSilvery: Not knowing where to ask doesn't mean ask in a place it's definitely off-topic, though. Please, this room is for Rockbox support and development, and our topic tells where to ask things that aren't one of those two
21:02:22xqtftqxLlorean: Whats not done with them?
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21:03:11Lloreanxqtftqx: It's missing a few features still, it's incomplete for some players, it's missing some plugins. It's very draft still
21:03:18LloreanIt's good, but there's still plenty of polish to apply
21:03:30saratogashoot Vorbis is still faster then WMA even with my improvements
21:03:31xqtftqxMost of the content chould be taken from the wiki
21:04:31Lloreanxqtftqx: Wiki content usually is not particularly well written, and no, a lot of things aren't covered in the wiki, or at least in an appropriate way for use in the manual
21:04:48LloreanOne way or another it depends on a real human being to create material usable by non-technical users.
21:05:06bluebrotherif you could "just copy from the wiki" we'd have done this already like 2 years ago or so
21:05:09*bluebrother shakes head
21:05:23xqtftqxI chould work on some manuals
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21:05:39Lloreanxqtftqx: We accept patches to the manual on the tracker, just like everything else. :)
21:05:54xqtftqxOk...
21:06:09xqtftqxWhats Needed?
21:06:23LloreanI don't think there's a set list.
21:06:26bluebrotherbut be aware that the manual is written in LaTeX. Nothing unbearable, but it isn't as easy to start with as word
21:06:33LloreanPeople working on the manual need to find things that aren't yet documented.
21:06:44LloreanThere *might* be a wiki page, for it, says scorche
21:06:45bluebrotherthere's the ManualTodo wiki page, but AFAIK that is quite outdated.
21:07:36bluebrotheralso, some internal stuff could get cleaned up. I'm thinking of breaking horizontal mode vs. protected spaces.
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21:12:10Zagornew twiki version. hold the bug reports a bit...
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21:12:51bluebrotherZagor: cool. Does it behave nicer wrt. the element naming?
21:13:01saratogadoes the M3 only have 96KB of IRAM?
21:13:08saratogai thought it was a 128K target?
21:13:17*bluebrother goes checking page source
21:14:47amiconnsaratoga: M3 is MCF5249 lile the irivers. M5/X5 are MCF5250
21:15:42Zagorbluebrother: source is pretty much identical, I'm afraid
21:16:25bluebrothertoo bad. Those css changes would've been greeeat :'-(
21:16:31saratogaah just assumed that they were like the X5s
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21:17:24bluebrotherZagor: is there any new restriction? w3c validator gets a 403 when trying to check a wiki page
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21:18:37LloreanPaulJam: Is that post recent peakmeter change then?
21:18:57Zagorbluebrother: yeah it has lots of useragent blocking in the apache config file. I'll clean some out later, but I'll try to fix the obvious breakages first.
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21:20:11PaulJamLlorean: i think it is there since it was possible to put a peakmeter into a viewport, but i mut admit that i was too lazy to report it when i saw it first.
21:20:40LloreanHave you tested it against the very latest builds?
21:21:53bluebrotherZagor: ok, cheers
21:22:09PaulJamLlorean: i posted the rev number.
21:22:26*petur will have a look at that peakmeter issue later
21:22:28LloreanOh, somehow read straight over that
21:23:32LloreanAlright, so right after the change, okay
21:24:20PaulJampetur: i don't think there are many other people that use a WPS with peakmeters in a separate viewport, so that issue is probably wery low priority.
21:26:02LloreanIt's certainly not a release blocker. :-P
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21:26:47CoreyI'm having trouble attaching files to the wiki can anyone help?
21:27:08LloreanWhat trouble are you having?
21:27:26B4gderCorey: hold on, there's wiki upgrading in progress
21:27:48Coreyokay so just try again a little later?
21:28:00B4gderyes, please just wait a while
21:28:24CoreyGreat, thank you! And Thank you for the awesome software!
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21:37:03B4gderwe need 5 more commits!
21:37:11B4gderto have the entire build table have commits from today
21:37:22xqtftqx5 more commits of what? Patchs?
21:37:26scorche|shthere has beena lot of commitsthis devcon...
21:37:27xqtftqxPatches*
21:38:12xqtftqxBut commits of what
21:38:28PaulJamxqtftqx: code?
21:38:36B4gderrubbish!
21:38:42xqtftqxWhy do we need 5 more?
21:38:46B4gderto have the entire build table have commits from today
21:38:55xqtftqxCommit some patches
21:39:37xqtftqxhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9085?histring=Stopwatch
21:39:40xqtftqxMaybe that one?
21:39:58xqtftqxWorks On All the targets i have
21:40:06Lloreanthat's a bad one.
21:40:12LloreanIt's completely the wrong solution.
21:40:22xqtftqxOk...
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21:40:33xqtftqxMultiFont? or AlbumArt Resize?
21:40:36LloreanYou can access playback controls from within a plugin.
21:40:53bluebrotherwe should have a commit statistics with graphical representations of commits / day ;-)
21:40:53LloreanLast i heard MultiFont still hadn't cleared its blocking issues.
21:41:07xqtftqxBlocking Issues?
21:41:24LloreanUse of the glyphcache I believe
21:41:43bluebrotheris multifont done right anyway? (haven't looked at it at all)
21:42:03xqtftqxIt works, i dont know whats "not" done]
21:43:29LloreanUnfortunately, mixing and matching "works, but not necessarily done right" often results in a lot more work later on
21:43:51xqtftqxOk...
21:45:17xqtftqxIs album art resize done right?
21:46:10LloreanMost patches that aren't included aren't for a reason.
21:46:25xqtftqxWell whats the reason on the art resize?
21:47:04LloreanIf I knew, I would've just said.
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21:51:06LloreanPersonally, I would call study mode "Coarse Seeking". It doesn't tell the user that it's going to disable track skips, though.
21:51:34Lloreanpixelma: Ping, with a suggestion. Easier to write here than shout across the room noise.
21:51:52pixelmawill keep that in mind :)
21:52:17bluebrotherI somewhat liked the initial "tracklock" (as you can't skip anymore ...)
21:53:01LloreanBut it doesn't disable track changes when you reach the end, does it?
21:53:17LloreanIt just disables manual skips unless you jump until you reach the end?
21:53:24pixelmajust remove it entirely... ;)
21:53:25bluebrotheryeps
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21:54:01LloreanWe need the steering board!
21:54:25xqtftqxWhat exactly is the steering board?
21:54:27pixelmaagreed
21:54:46bluebrotherwe have agreed on that earlier today, haven't we? ;-)
21:55:22bertrikbluebrother: what do I need to help with rbutil translation?
21:55:22Lloreanxqtftqx: If people argue about a feature, the steering board can step in and make a final decision.
21:55:54xqtftqxOh, so like a jury?
21:56:02bertrikI do already have the dev packages set up to build rbutilqt
21:56:07bluebrotherbertrik: well, the most convenient way (for you) would most likely be to install Qt and use linguist.
21:56:26Lloreanxqtftqx: Eh, close enough.
21:56:32bluebrotherthere's a short introduction in the RockboxUtilityDevelopment wiki page
21:56:47xqtftqxLol, ok
21:57:29bluebrotheryou mostly need to adjust rbutilqt.pro, call lupdate on the project file and then edit the *.ts file using linguist
21:57:53bluebrotherYou could of course use any editor as it's xml
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22:19:30terrence1019greetings fellow Rockboxers
22:21:48terrence1019:)
22:22:33krazykithello
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22:23:29terrence1019just want to say keep up the good
22:26:31terrence1019i think a OndaVX747 port would be cool
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22:27:06PaulJamwell, then start one :)
22:27:07bertrikvolunteers for a new port are always welcome :)
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22:27:30B4gderthat scared him away pretty quick!
22:28:14bertrikoh, we weren't that offensive, were we?
22:28:36B4gderhey, I noticed two smileys on two lines, that can make anyone run away!
22:29:02LloreanIt takes every ounce of willpower I have not to throw my computer out the window and run from the room screaming.
22:32:48LloreanIsn't the Gigabeast clocked slower than the Gigabeat F right now?
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22:36:03Nico_Pyeah, I think it is
22:36:08LloreanInteresting
22:36:09terrence:)
22:36:15LloreanIt's getting 2-3 fps more than my F on the same video
22:36:27Nico_Pbetter ARM core :)
22:36:29LloreanYeah
22:36:35terrencewhat
22:36:46LloreanI'm aware. :) Just mean to say it'll be interesting to see what it can do when it's running at full speed.
22:37:43terrencethe onda port would be an refreshing entry for the Rockbox
22:37:54Lloreanterrence: You already said you thought it would be cool.
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22:38:14Nico_PLlorean: indeed. the hw graphics acceleration could be fun too
22:38:37LloreanNico_P: My understanding is that it should reduce the load of h.264 by some 20-30%?
22:39:22terrencemuch praise to mcuelenaere for initial work
22:39:24Nico_Pno idea... I haven't looked at the spec sheets in a while
22:39:54LloreanI'm only really interested in other formats if we can actually get 640x480 output though.
22:40:10LloreanAt 320x180 I can get quite small files that still look excellent with MPEG-2 anyway
22:40:22terrenceLlorean: sorry, there's lag time in my replies
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22:43:52mcuelenaereterrence: why don't you help out? there's still a need for developers (especially for this target)
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22:49:16terrence1019mcuelenaere: i am already in the process of buying one to fiddle with
22:51:08terrence1019mcuelenaere: the onda are quite reasonably priced
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22:53:39terrence1019mcuelenaere: i could afford to screw with it lol
22:54:20terrence1019i am experiencing lag times in my responses...... any reason why?
22:54:26B4gdertime to tower!
22:55:02Lloreanterrence1019: CGI:IRC sucks
22:55:04LloreanTry mibbit.
22:57:01mcuelenaereterrence1019: that's exactly the reason why I bought it (+ there's really a lot of GPL'ed source code)
22:57:22terrence1019Llorean: thanks alot
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22:59:32Domonok1rockbox tower building started :-)
22:59:50Nico_PLlorean: I think I know why FS #9110 happens
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23:00:22bertrik\o/
23:01:25LloreanNico_P: So, how long 'til you have a patch?
23:01:42Nico_PLlorean: not long before a patch, but it will need testing
23:02:19LloreanAt least it's pretty reliably reproduced, right?
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23:03:07Nico_Pyeah I found the last proposed method to be rather reliable (3 tracks with the total being just a bit too big)
23:03:15Nico_Ps/last/latest
23:04:01LloreanIt'll be good to see that fixed. :)
23:04:05Nico_Pthe patch is a one-liner and it appears to fix the problem
23:04:08Lloreaneven if I never experience it myself
23:04:33Nico_PI think the problem goes a while back. it only appears in rather special cases
23:05:36Nico_Pit might have started in r16868
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23:06:32Nico_Pdamnit I can't even contact a pastebin site :(
23:06:56LloreanNico_P: That version number sounds familiar
23:07:11Nico_Poh?
23:07:28LloreanYeah.
23:07:53LloreanProbably just one of the revisions we were suspecting of some other bug.
23:07:54PaulJamNico_P: good news :)
23:08:11LloreanIncredible news
23:08:16Nico_PPaulJam: the change is pretty trivial... want to test?
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23:09:00PaulJami guess i could do a quick test
23:09:19Nico_Pplayback.c:1414, change it to "if (filling == STATE_FULL || filling == STATE_FINISHED) {"
23:09:32Nico_Pinstead of "if (filling == STATE_FULL) {"
23:09:33PaulJamok
23:09:59PaulJamjust need to wait for svn up to finish
23:10:12Nico_PI need to check for side effects though
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23:11:34PaulJambtw, that line is 1416 for me.
23:12:08mib_4y44u8xemcuelenaere: so what needs to be done at this point?
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23:12:41Nico_Phmm it might not be the best fix
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23:14:47Zagorthat's a big tower
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23:15:41LloreanNico_P: Side effects?
23:16:23Nico_PLlorean: yes, useless buffer fills when reaching the end of the last track in the playlist
23:16:35Nico_Palthough it's not really a big problem
23:16:48LloreanIt's a less significant side effect than freezes
23:16:51Nico_Pindeed
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23:17:22terrence1019cool
23:17:58LloreanNico_P: So about all would be a very small battery life decrease?
23:18:29Nico_PLlorean: maybe not even that. nothing much happens I think
23:18:44Nico_Pbut I might find something a bit more efficient
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23:19:17LloreanNico_P: So, we're down to one entry in the "major" column I think.
23:19:34Nico_Pnot the easiest one unfortunately :(
23:19:57LloreanYes. :(
23:20:35LloreanSo you have 30 minutes instead of 5 this time.
23:20:37Llorean:-P
23:20:54Nico_Phow generous of you! :D
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23:21:03LloreanHehehe. So 9110 can be closed as fixed?
23:21:33Nico_Pnot just yet, I want to test a bit more
23:21:36LloreanOkay
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23:21:48markunhi MTee!
23:21:57Nico_Palso I'd rather wait for confirmation from others
23:22:10MTeeHello markun !
23:22:40LloreanPaulJam: While you're here: You find a lot of bugs, can you think of any others that seriously interfere with normal use? Or, have I already asked you this and my lack of food is interfering with my ability to remember?
23:26:13PaulJamLlorean: i can't say for sure, i occassionally experience playback weirdensses, but i use a modified build, and most times this are issues that happen wery rarely and where i have no idea how to reproduce, so i can't check if this are issues with the official buld too.
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23:27:20LloreanPaulJam: I think if they're rare enough that nobody else is reporting them either, they're probably rare enough not to block a release.
23:27:41oofusHi all. I'm having a minor display issue with latest builds for iAudio X5L. On the What's playing screen the line that shows the time gone, time remaining and track # of # is being drawn above the track progress bar thus obscuring part of the cover art and next track info. Do I need to delete/rebuild something due to recent changes or is this simply a bug ?
23:28:10LloreanBut no one person can keep track of all, so I'm probably going to forget who I've asked and repeat the question a few more times over the next week
23:28:16oofusThe theme is cabbieV2
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23:30:31PaulJamNico_P: the fix seems to work here. i can do some more intensive testing if i notice any side effets tomorrow.
23:31:39PaulJamif there is anything else, i'll read the logs.
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23:32:22Lloreanoofus: Try loading a current build of Rockbox and resetting settings
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23:34:16*petur is uploading tower (and other) pics
23:34:46B4gderhttp://picasaweb.google.com/peturbox/RockboxDevcon2008/photo#5217048903275345378
23:34:56B4gderthat's a... massive picture
23:35:05scorche|sh\o/
23:35:29fmlNico_P: hello. Can you describe why the bug was happening? And how you think you've fixed it.
23:35:35oofusLlorean: Thanks. I have v.latest already. Reseting has made no difference.
23:36:02Lloreanoofus: Please, tell me your revision number. And use whole words where possible, for our non-native speakers.
23:36:44Nico_Pfml: hi. what happened was that in certain cases you could get to filling == STATE_FINISHED but with some data missing
23:36:52fmlTo the wiki masters: wouldn't it be sensible to assign a category (say, 'WPS Gallery') to all WPS pages?
23:37:00mcuelenaerearrg, bertrik spotted a dt-mistake made by me!
23:37:03terrence1019the Onda is an ideal player for Rockbox
23:37:16Nico_Pthe buffering_low_buffer_callback would therefor never free space up
23:37:28Lloreanfml: We're going to be removing the WPS pages as soon as possible to replace them with something better
23:37:31mcuelenaereterrence1019: this is like the third time you said that
23:37:47terrence1019i missed count
23:37:50oofusLlorean: ok. r17859-080628
23:37:57terrence1019CGI:IRC sucks
23:37:58Lloreanterrence1019: Seriously, if you're not working on it then you really shouldn't be saying anything.
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23:38:23Lloreanoofus: Okay, just making sure. Some people end up meaning the daily with latest, or so forth
23:38:36oofusLlorean: ok, no problem
23:38:51xxbatman94xxis lambda on?
23:38:56Lloreanoofus: Have you changed the peakmeter status?
23:39:05xxbatman94xxnope
23:39:08Lloreanxxbatman94xx: You can very easily see he's not in the list of people in teh room...
23:39:15ZincAlloyIs it a known bug that fast forwarding is not working immediatly after playback of a new song starts? nothing happens.. and when you release the button the song starts from 0.00 again
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23:39:28oofusLlorean: as far as I remember I haven't touched it.
23:39:31LloreanZincAlloy: I don't believe there's a tracker entry for it.
23:39:40Lloreanoofus: Well, I guess you did reset your settings.
23:39:50Lloreanoofus: File a bug report, I suppose. And a screen dump if you can
23:40:10oofusLlorean: ok, will do.
23:40:25oofusLlorean: can I take screen dumps with Rockbox then ?
23:40:39LloreanYes. Gotta go for food though. It's documented somewhere
23:40:49oofusLlorean: great, thanks
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23:41:18Nico_PLlorean: I think I have the correct fix ready now
23:41:30fmlfml: isn't that a sign of a non clean state machine? I'd rather repair the machine than insert some ad-hoc corrections.
23:41:30ZincAlloyoofus: go to system, debug, screendump
23:41:41Nico_Pthe low buffer callback still gets called but now it won't do anything useless anymore
23:41:54Nico_Pfml: exactly. I added a new state
23:42:21ZincAlloyoofus: a dump will be made every time you insert a usb cable
23:42:45fmlLlorean: what is this 'something better'? Just some hazy thoughts or something real?
23:42:46oofusZincAlloy: thanks very much, just trying it
23:43:28fmlNico_P: aha! I don' know exactly how it works but that was just a general thought (which seems to be correct ;-)
23:44:51*Nico_P can't reach a pastebin :/
23:45:19oofusZincAlloy: worked perfectly :)
23:46:20fmlNico_P: try another pastebin (there are many)
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23:52:55terrence1019mcuelenaere: u've found any datasheets on the Onda
23:53:11xqtftqxHa! Somebody commited the stopwatch patch! :p
23:53:47xqtftqxRobert, Did, You guys said it was done improberly.
23:54:44terrence1019i've found some datasheets
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