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#rockbox log for 2008-06-29

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00:03:07krazykitterrence1019, so add them to the relevant wiki page, if they are not there already
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00:05:35terrence1019ok
00:05:41terrence1019i am in the process of adding them
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00:07:00*Nico_P is trying to commit
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00:07:32xqtftqxGrrr can somebody help me out with a patch?
00:08:01xqtftqxits the new dict patch some svn changes made it not able to compile
00:08:16xqtftqxIm looking for the problem but cant find it
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00:09:41xqtftqxoh wait, this is multifont
00:09:55xqtftqxsettings.c:802: error: too few arguments to function ‘font_load’ settings.c:805: error: too few arguments to function ‘font_reset’
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00:14:22bertrikxqtftqx, I'll have a look
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00:17:10bertrikxqtftqx, I don't have enough information to look into that bug, apparently the 'multifont' patch added some arguments to the font_load and font_reset methods, but I don't know what argument exactly
00:17:24bertriks/bug/problem/
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00:19:45 Quit terrence1019 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
00:21:57bertrikit seems on the lines you mentioned, you need to add an argument FONT_UI
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00:27:13MU{lappy}so, it looks like the PRNG used in rockbox is mersenne twister... it also looks like there's a SIMD-based improved version that's faster, even on CPUs w/o actual SIMD instructions, using SWAR. any thought about using SFMT instead of MT?
00:27:51stripwax_is PRNG really used in performance-critical code?
00:27:54stripwax_(in rockbox)
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00:29:02MU{lappy}it is if i ever get to porting sbagen. also, SFMT apparently has better properties w/ regard to randomness
00:29:06xqtftqxbertrik: what do you mean, yeah it adds a argument to the font_load to tell it to load the diffrent font
00:29:13MU{lappy}"SFMT is roughly twice faster than the original Mersenne Twister, and has a better equidistibution property, as well as a quicker recovery from zero-excess initial state."
00:29:25xqtftqxOh, he left
00:31:24MU{lappy}anyway, white-noise and pink-noise generation eats a lot of random numbers - one per sample for white, about two per sample for pink
00:32:25stripwax_MU{lappy} - you can probably still use a very simple rng for generating coloured noise, and there are simpler ones than mersenne for that
00:34:03MU{lappy}maybe i should compare code size for the two versions. if it doesn't bloat code much, or need more state, i don't see any reason not to replace MT w/ SFMT?
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00:37:46stripwax_not sure, rockbox records the random seed for shuffle so replacing the rng means you recover a different sequence. probably not such a big deal
00:37:57*Nico_P goes to bed without having managed to commit
00:38:04Nico_PI'll try again tomorrow
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00:38:25MU{lappy}records the seed? what, so you can get the same shuffle again?
00:38:55ZagorMU{lappy}: yes
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00:40:02mcuelenaereterrence1019: (for the logs, if you would ever read them) about those links you gave me, they are already in the wiki
00:41:18xqtftqxHuh, theres a euroconverter plugin?
00:41:58stripwax_xqtftqx - is that a statement or a question? :)
00:42:19xqtftqxquestion sorta, i see it here, does it rs?un on any target
00:42:27xqtftqxdoes it run on any targets?*
00:42:45amiconnIt runs on the Player (only)
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00:43:19xqtftqx"The Player"? Sorry, but which DAPs does it come with?
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00:43:31Lloreanxqtftqx: "The Player" is a specific DAP
00:43:36LloreanThe Archos Jukebox Player.
00:43:37bluebrotherThe player is an archos target
00:43:53xqtftqxOh, why only the "Player"
00:44:17bluebrother'cause archos named it that way?
00:44:19scorche|sh...because it is called the Archos Player?
00:44:23amiconnIt's written in a somewhat charcell specific way
00:44:32B4gderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ProjectGlossary#Player
00:44:42amiconnIt's also there to make up for the lack of many other plugins on it
00:44:43*pixelma wonders why there's a need for an euroconverter still anyways
00:45:03scorche|sheh?
00:45:21xqtftqxChould i add it to run on other daps?
00:45:23amiconnIt became pretty pointless anyway over time. The euro has been around for > 7 years now (iirc)
00:46:16amiconnSorry, > 6 years
00:46:18bertriksince 1 jan 2002
00:46:51xqtftqxBut chould i tell it to build with the gigabeat?
00:46:58xqtftqxand whould it work]
00:47:36bluebrotherthe maths would work :)
00:47:39Lloreanxqtftqx: Try it?
00:48:02xqtftqxIm trying now
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00:48:44xqtftqxIll probly change the currency to dollars though
00:48:45stripwax_It sounds fairly pointless, and could just be removed from all DAPs, rather than adding to all builds.
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00:49:09xqtftqxWhould be nice if it was Dollars rather then euros
00:49:18stripwax_Given that exchange rates change all the time, it's just as easy to use the calculator plugin, no?
00:49:46pixelmaxqtftqx: but the dollar has an ever changing exchange rate...
00:50:15gevaertsIs that a problem ? A random generator should be able to handle that
00:50:29*stripwax_ splutters
00:50:33stripwax_:)
00:50:40xqtftqxpixelma: Sorry, confused for a second
00:51:12xqtftqxWow, im looking now and a whole lot of patchs have been added
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00:51:43xqtftqxWait, why isnt there a bmp viewer?
00:51:53xqtftqxIt chould be done as simple as 12 minutes
00:52:08pixelmathen do it
00:52:09*gevaerts invites xqtftqx to spend 12 minutes on it
00:52:21*B4gder starts the timer
00:52:24xqtftqxAs soon as im done with this build
00:52:33pixelmalame excuses
00:52:34*B4gder adds 4 minutes to the timer
00:53:16stripwax_you can load bmp into rockpaint, or backdrop
00:53:30xqtftqxExactly the code is all there
00:53:32*dionoea was about to mention rockpaint too
00:53:49stripwax_Um, I meant, it can already do it.. why would you need another viewer?
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00:54:06gevaertsAnd actually there is a bmp viewer. It even does slideshows. All you need to do is name them cover.bmp
00:54:10Lloreanstripwax_: To be fair, it'd be nice to have the slideshow function BMP, but that just means jpegviewer needs to be imageviewer
00:54:13dionoeaThe only thing rockpaint can't do is scale images
00:54:15Lloreangevaerts: Quite true
00:54:34dionoeaAnd yeah, missing slide show stuff
00:54:36stripwax_Llorean - mm, but now there's a photo gallery patch..
00:54:37xqtftqxYeah, that chould be where part of the bmp resize app comes in
00:54:42pixelmait only works for greyscale + colour targets
00:55:19pixelmaa bmp viewer could be able to work on monochrome displays too with the help of the greylib
00:55:39pixelmabut that might take a little longer than 12 minutes...
00:55:49*stripwax_ smiles
00:55:52B4gderwant me to add another 4? ;-)
00:56:04*dionoea thought that rockpaint only worked on colour displays, not greyscale ones
00:56:15xqtftqxI was saying a normal viewer with resize nor grayscale support
00:57:03PaulJamLlorean: it is good that you asked me for any remaining major bugs, i just rememebered that i had a freeze issue that i wanted to try to reproduce in the official build.
00:57:06pixelmadionoea: yes, but album art works on greyscale too though it just uses the 4 grey
00:57:08pixelmas
00:57:14Genre9mp3B4gder: it's all a matter of minutes... how many will eventualy be needed for 3.0? :P
00:57:27xqtftqx:)
00:57:42B4gdermore than 4?
00:57:45B4gderdarn
00:57:54xqtftqxlets say 400
00:58:05xqtftqxlets say 4000*
00:59:25LloreanPaulJam: Let me know if you manage to, and I'll add it to one of the lists (doesn't sound critical if we don't have others screaming about it too, but we'll see and there are plenty of other lists of bugs after the criticals are done)
00:59:57xqtftqxfor a bmp viewer you chould take out the zoom,and slideshow and add it to rockpaint with the painting
01:00
01:00:17xqtftqxtake the zoom and slideshow from jpeg*
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01:00:37Lloreanxqtftqx: Actually you can't take the zoom from jpeg. But feel free to post a patch.
01:00:59xqtftqxOk, ill work on it a little later
01:01:27PaulJamLlorean: it seems to be reproduceable, but it requires some switching between db and filebrowser which you usually don't do so often.
01:01:47 Quit stripwax_ ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org")
01:01:57PaulJami'll just open a task and let others decide about the severity.
01:02:01LloreanPaulJam: So probably on the list of "it'd be really nice to see this gone" (in my mind every freeze is major, but if it's not likely to interfere with several users, not dead critical)
01:02:06LloreanYeah, open a task. :)
01:02:33xqtftqxWhats the test_codec plugin
01:02:54B4gderwhat do you think it is?
01:03:29Genre9mp3What is going to happen with "GPLv2 only" code in Rockbox? Will get rewritten? If that's the case, is that intended to happen before 3.0?
01:03:29B4gderI think the name is quite revealing
01:03:45B4gderGenre9mp3: yes, and hopefully
01:03:50LloreanGenre9mp3: Yes it will be rewritten. No it's not a blocker for 3.0, though it'd be nice.
01:04:03LloreanOr, what he said
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01:05:40*bluebrother suggests not counting the needed manpower until 3.0 in minutes
01:07:47B4gderwe use the regular rockbox currency instead
01:07:50B4gderbeer!
01:08:56Domonokyso how much beer is needed till 3.0 :-)
01:09:29scorche|shthat depends on who is drinking it ;)
01:09:32Llorean"All of it"
01:10:26bluebrotherDomonoky: do you know the upper limit for the drive number on w32?
01:10:33bluebrother26?
01:11:28Genre9mp3Do we have a new codename for 3.0 or is it still "Mayday"?
01:11:41LloreanWe haven't yet decided.
01:12:12LloreanThough it's not particularly appropriate here.
01:12:39Genre9mp3Llorean: indeed... 3.0 was originally planned for 1st of May 2006, right?
01:13:09Domonokybluebrother: correct
01:13:19LloreanGenre9mp3: Something like that
01:13:33B4gderthat means we won't make it to the 26 months delayed anniversary
01:13:56LloreanOnce we can do a feature freeze, we can look for a holiday-based codename
01:14:18LloreanMaybe whoever comes up with the best codename gets automatic immunity from being stuck as Release Coordinator
01:14:37B4gdernow we're talking
01:15:04gevaertsSo who decides what the best codename is ?
01:15:16LloreanPublic vote.
01:15:33Genre9mp3gevaerts: RSB?
01:15:40*pixelma thoght the steering board...
01:15:49pixelma*thought too
01:15:53LloreanNo, they might be potential RCs.
01:16:01*Llorean doesn't think the jobs are mutually exclusive. :-P
01:16:46scorche|sh"Puce Wombat"!
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01:17:31gevaerts"Brick Building"
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01:22:34LinusNcodename "Bag'o'Shit"
01:22:46pixelmayes!
01:23:28LinusNit conveys a certain degree of confidence in the product
01:23:30bluebrother\o/
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01:24:21*gevaerts tries to attach a file on the wiki but fails
01:24:42bluebrotherLinusN: what product?
01:24:52LinusN:-)
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01:25:26LinusNwhat confidence? :-)
01:26:41bertrik"Just another brick in the wall"
01:26:46PaulJamWhat's wrong with the old codename?
01:26:52bertrik"Rock boxem forever"
01:27:08gevaertswhat confidence indeed ?
01:27:22Lloreanbertrik: So, we're expecting a release in in 2015 then.
01:27:28bluebrother"The never done release"
01:27:29ZincAlloy"chinese democracy"
01:27:49bluebrother"faster! bigger! better!"
01:27:59bertrikLlorean, it will be out *next year*, promise!
01:28:03gevaertsbigger ?
01:28:17bluebrotherLinusN: or ... "all your bricks do belong to us" ;-)
01:28:24Genre9mp3and "uncut" I suppose? :P
01:28:39Llorean"It plays music."
01:28:42ZincAlloy"berlin brickwall"
01:28:43Genre9mp3"Brick 'em all"
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01:29:13B4gder"100% fat-free"
01:29:30ZincAlloy"with real cheese"
01:29:47LinusN"ohne alles"
01:29:48*gevaerts accuses B4gder of lying
01:29:50Domonoky"rocks for sure" :-)
01:29:59gevaertsIt does have fat
01:30:01LinusNbricks for sure
01:31:30B4gder"VAT-free" then? ;-)
01:31:47gevaertsAre you sure about that ?
01:32:04B4gderat this hour I'm not sure about anything...
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01:33:11ZincAlloy"delayed delivery"
01:35:34bluebrotherB4gder: "meat only" ;-)
01:35:56bluebrotherLinusN: wenn dann aber "Döner mit alles" :)
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01:37:51 Quit ender` (" The difference between something that can go wrong and something that can't go wrong is that, when the thing that can't go")
01:38:14bluebrotherbut most likely only a few of our users will understand that
01:38:32LinusNthere is a small risk, yes
01:38:53gevaerts"the larch"
01:39:15pixelmathat's a bit like the "famous" swedish kebab song...
01:39:18*bluebrother can now resolve UNC disc paths to a drive letter
01:40:19pixelmabut also not all users can understand that
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01:44:41*gevaerts found a way to crash his s30
01:45:41*bluebrother curses stupid vm making problems with usb connections
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01:46:02bluebrother... and now it even checks the filesystem on my Ipod :o
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01:49:03peturhttp://www.dailymotion.com/peturbox/video/x5y6vq_towerofrockbox_tech
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01:53:26Genre9mp3so in the video we can see how Rockbox devs treat daps as if they were bricks... nice!
01:53:52gevaertsWhy wouldn't we ? Users seem to consider them all as bricks
01:54:25LloreanGenre9mp3: We've bricked more players than our users have, then.
01:54:42Genre9mp3haha
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01:55:30pixelmabut not as many as users believe...
01:55:59gevaertsToday's total was only 59
01:56:13Genre9mp3"only"?
01:56:57gevaertsCount them yourself :)
01:57:36Genre9mp3gevaerts: very hard task!
01:58:16gevaertsGenre9mp3: this is the lot : gevaerts.be/main.php?g2_itemId=51610">http://fotos.gevaerts.be/main.php?g2_itemId=51610
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02:00:43bluebrothersomeone needs to put a statistic up separating by model ;-)
02:01:12PaulJamwhat was the player at the top of the tower?
02:01:30*gevaerts doesn't tell :)
02:02:53gevaertsActually that one is a port in progress
02:02:59pixelmamaybe you can find something in the wiki... ;)
02:03:08Genre9mp3T60?
02:03:17LinusNnoone finds anything in the wiki
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02:03:37pixelmawhat's a wiki anyway?
02:04:03bluebrotherthat's the think Zagor is doing funny changes to this day
02:04:35Genre9mp3eer.. T10 I meant
02:04:42pixelmanope
02:07:15PaulJamah, found it.
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02:13:50gevaertsSo which is it ? ;)
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02:47:50xxbatman94xxaww lambdas not on
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02:56:45Belphemon\\hey
02:57:04Belphemon\\Im consedering purchasing an archos 605 wifi
02:57:17Belphemon\\and I want to know if rockbox is compatible
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02:57:56advcomp2019Belphemon\\, you can read the home page and see if it is
02:58:08Belphemon\\It is not ;_;
02:58:34advcomp2019unless you are going to make
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03:31:16jr50I have a question about the WPS on my themes
03:31:52jr50No matter which theme I download, I cant get the WPS to work on any of them
03:33:10MU{lappy}there was a change in wps recently related to progress bar display, no?
03:33:56jr50well i when i play music all i See is the menu backdrop
03:34:26MU{lappy}http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html <- scroll down to r17759
03:35:01MU{lappy}... also would it be possible to do id=revnum for the <tr>s? ;)
03:35:13jr50i dont understand
03:36:35jr50so is there anyway to fix this
03:36:46MU{lappy}i am saying that WPS changed recently, and it will break old WPS files. there is a script linked in the revision notes for converting old WPS files.
03:38:12jr50how do you use the script
03:39:12jr50??
03:39:45MU{lappy}looks like r17763 changed something, too
03:40:28MU{lappy}and you run the script with perl
03:40:38jr50perl ?
03:41:54MU{lappy}this is getting into off-topic territory, really. perl is a scripting language, use google to find out how to get a copy for whatever OS you're using. or convert the WPS by hand in a text editor.
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03:44:17MU{lappy}maybe should've just said "ask the author of the WPS to update it"
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03:51:47MU{lappy}ok, i see that some of playlist.c relies on being able to produce the "same" shuffled list again by using a saved seed... so, yeah, changing the PRNG might make such cases load "wrong". i'll look at just using something simple/fast for PRNG inside pink noise gen
03:58:25MU{lappy}i see a few different places that use various combinations of tick or time to seed the PRNG... would it maybe be a good idea to implement one auto_srand(), or perhaps to have srand generate a seed when a certain magic value is passed, 0 for example?
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04:01:13JdGordonwhy?
04:03:37MU{lappy}to replace multiple differing chunks of code w/ calls to one function?
04:04:58MU{lappy}if you grep the source tree, there are ~40-50 calls to srand, most of which have their own code to produce a seed
04:07:31MU{lappy}a lot use current_tick, some try to generate it from current time
04:08:27MU{lappy}fireworks appears to re-seed w/ current_tick * i for each explosion it sets off
04:09:37MU{lappy}erm, for each point in the explosion, actually, looking more closely
04:12:43JdGordonok, so whats the real problem? everything doing it its own may makes it more random
04:15:46MU{lappy}i don't think it seriously effects performance or function, but it's code duplication, and i just don't see a reason not to have exactly one formula that's implemented in one place and called as needed.
04:16:27MU{lappy}they're all using some sort of unpredictable variable based on the passage of time, so having multiple implementations doesn't actually do anything to improve randomness.
04:18:10MU{lappy}i'm not looking to step on anybody's toes, it's just something where i think a small improvement could easily be made, that i happened to stumble across.
04:21:52JdGordonI dont think its really worth the effort
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04:32:44MU{lappy}i was kind of suggesting i could provide the effort, since it's not a very difficult task.
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04:35:59MU{lappy}more of a would-anybody-consider-applying-it than a would-somebody-else-write-it question
04:37:35JdGordonwell... the other thing is we try to have POSIX like functinos where posible.. and I guess srand/rand fit into that also..
04:39:43MU{lappy}and maintaining a familiar interface sounds like a good enough reason to me, then, i won't bother.
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04:41:57MU{lappy}the only other thing about the RNG i might think about improving is offering an alternate seed function w/ larger seed sizes. that would mainly benefit shuffling, since it doesn't take a very long list of items to have more than 2**32 possible orderings, and therefore orderings that can never happen because of seed size
04:42:15MU{lappy}but *that* is a much tougher job, because you'd need a good source for large seeds, then.
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05:00:01shadoxxI think I got a crap Sansa. :-\
05:01:25JdGordonv2?
05:01:51shadoxxNo. It just doesn't want me to copy files to the recovery partition
05:02:04shadoxxi put it into recovery mode, go to copy the .mi4 file, and it locks up
05:04:32shadoxxthat's on my windows box though. I just put it on my laptop, and it seems to be doing fine
05:04:37shadoxxkey word seems
05:07:33shadoxxnope
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05:07:40shadoxxI'm pretty sure it's a brick now. Crap
05:08:35advcomp2019shadoxx, are you sure.. what is doing right now
05:08:58shadoxxWell, the nav button lights are blue, and the screen is blank
05:09:06shadoxxand it's not registering as any kind of device
05:09:37shadoxx]wait no
05:09:38advcomp2019that is manufacturing mode.. you will need to use the e200tool
05:10:00shadoxxi just got it to go to recovery mode again
05:10:59shadoxxnow it keeps saying LUN0 locked, LUN0 unlocked
05:11:11shadoxxafter i put the firmware.mi4 file on the recovery partition
05:12:09advcomp2019you have a e200 or c200?
05:12:25shadoxxc250
05:12:30shadoxxso c200
05:13:49advcomp2019o ok.. that should work.. i am not sure what is going on myself then
05:14:16shadoxxmeh
05:14:41shadoxxnow it's doing that thing again, where there's just a black display, with the nav lights lit up
05:20:54shadoxxok, firmware.mi4 is still there
05:20:59shadoxxon the recovery partition
05:21:09shadoxxhow do i get the sansa to update itself using that firmware image?
05:21:16krazykitunplug it
05:22:08shadoxxlol let me put the battery back in
05:22:52shadoxxThen, is there any kind of indication that's it's updating?
05:23:27advcomp2019the screen might say updating
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05:25:36shadoxxMeh. Still nothing. It just keeps locking up. :-\
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05:26:07shadoxxWhat does e200tool do?
05:27:09krazykitit allows you to manipulate your e/c200 in manufacturer mode; you'd use it to load the bootloader so you can get into recovery mode
05:27:37shadoxxAny possible way the locking up could be a bad flash?
05:27:55shadoxxIt's a refurb off of Woot
05:28:34krazykitcould be. if you want to be thorough, reload the bootloader (put the bootloader file in the recovery mode partition), let it update, put it back into recovery mode and put in the firmware.mi4
05:28:49shadoxxbootloader is the .bin file right?
05:30:02krazykitnot as far as i know
05:30:05JdGordonno
05:30:13krazykithttp://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/c200/pribootLoader.rom
05:30:17shadoxxyeah, the .rom file
05:31:45shadoxxhah, yes! looks like it had a bad bootloader on it
05:34:03shadoxxStill randomly locking up though
05:34:19shadoxxAnd there's no option for MSC mode
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05:35:46shadoxxI think the internal flash might be bad
05:35:51shadoxxAs in, the chip itself.
05:36:01shadoxxThere's no reason it should be doing this.
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05:42:23krazykitshadoxx, that's certainly a possibility.
05:42:35shadoxxI've done everything right twice over
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05:46:03shadoxxAnyone happen to know what LUN0 locked/unlocked means?
05:46:13krazykitit means nothing at all
05:46:19shadoxxk
05:47:17shadoxxi think i just got a crappy refurb
05:47:52advcomp2019depends tho
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05:58:42shadoxxI'm just gonna contact the RMA department at Woot!
05:58:50shadoxxThanks all your help guys. :D
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07:01:44JUSTWJXOh,dear God,the people in Meizu official BBS are all dying for the great RockBox Firmware~~:)
07:02:19Belphemon\\xD
07:03:25wpyh:D
07:03:46*wpyh doesn't believe in god or sky
07:03:51*wpyh believes in GodEater
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07:06:04JUSTWJXyour RB team may do not see the passion of us~
07:06:28JUSTWJXany topic of RB will be very very hot in the official BBS
07:06:49JUSTWJX:-D
07:08:59JUSTWJXanyhow it's the best way to let Chinese users know the RB~
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07:11:57wpyhyeah, we hope M6 gets supported soon :)
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07:13:38JUSTWJX:'(
07:15:35Belphemon\\I just got back from a scout camp
07:15:45Belphemon\\and some kid had Rockbox installed on his iPod
07:16:01Belphemon\\He was playing counter strike ... and pokemon gold?
07:16:06Belphemon\\I came brix
07:16:08Belphemon\\and googled
07:16:57JUSTWJXso intersting
07:17:14shadoxxWait, counter strike on iPod?
07:17:26JUSTWJXso crazy
07:20:25JUSTWJXhttp://www.meizu.com/bbs/query.asp?stype=2&pSearch=&nSearch=&boardid=57&SearchDate=&keyword=rockbox&s=&isWeb=1&stable=Dv_bbs3&action=&page=1
07:20:26JUSTWJXlook up the serch result about RB in the Meizu official BBS,although it is in Chinese,you still can learn the popularity of RB......
07:20:29*wpyh thinks he mistook it for DOOM
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07:20:32enterusernamehi
07:20:41enterusernamedoes USB storage work with Sansa e280 yet?
07:21:57JUSTWJX;-)
07:22:00JUSTWJXthe webmaster maybe are not in this room~
07:22:25Belphemon\\No
07:22:27Belphemon\\it wasnt doom
07:22:57advcomp2019enterusername, not yet as far as i know
07:23:40enterusernameeven in CVS?
07:23:56enterusernameI saw some posts about storage and how its somewhat working in the "ports" tree
07:24:53enterusernamewell last time i looked they were somewhat working so im guessing its at the same state :)
07:25:08advcomp2019yea but i will get you a link
07:27:21unpaidbilldoes rockbox have any app for it that will keep a golf score?
07:27:25unpaidbillbecause that would be rockin
07:27:48advcomp2019enterusername, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb
07:29:00enterusernamethanx advcomp2019
07:29:04enterusernamelove the link
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07:41:55*JUSTWJX :'( M6
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07:46:12LloreanJdGordon: I'm not really sure what statements on bookmarks you really disagreed with? We all agreed that how they work right now kinda sucks, but we only really got to "the most important thing, really, is making them work everywhere, anything else would be bonus"
07:46:45LloreanJdGordon: As for show stoppers for a release, as long as all the screens are usable normally, I'm pretty sure viewports isn't considered one.
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07:50:17JdGordonLlorean: well... i was listening at like 2am so i might have remembered it wrong :p I thought I remembered everyone wanting to replace the bookamrk with a m3u?
07:50:27LloreanNo
07:50:34LloreanThat was one of the proposed ideas.
07:51:05LloreanBut not a final decision or anything. Just a "bookmarks could contain a playlist so that you always have a list of the files to resume"
07:51:13JdGordonah ok then
07:51:58LloreanThe main consensus was "it needs to work better, and not be different, as users shouldn't have to care if it's a static or dynamic playlist, or if they've inserted songs from another folder, or if they used database for some/all"
07:52:14LloreanI imagine any halfway decent patch that does that will get looked at pretty quickly
07:52:47JdGordonanyone there interested in figuring out how to make the DB position be saveable?
07:53:00LloreanDidn't get brought up
07:56:36JdGordonLlorean: also, I was surprised by the menu reordering answer... I thought you wanted to sort that out (at least get a workable solution) during the con?
07:59:40LloreanI do want to sort it out. Badly
07:59:47LloreanBut I also realize that there's too much on the table, and not enough time.
07:59:54LloreanAnd you can argue about it _forever_
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08:00:22Belphemon\\urrg
08:00:24LloreanA much, much better solution is just to say "If you want it reorganized, come up with a patch so people can actually try it, then try to sell the patch"
08:00:30Belphemon\\I have a sword hatred against apple
08:00:48LloreanBelphemon\\: And that really is off-topic in here. We're not concerned about the OF except when it directly relates to getting Rockbox working.
08:01:31Belphemon\\but Now I wana get an ipod
08:01:33Belphemon\\uh
08:01:35Belphemon\\Okay....
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10:54:57PaulJamLlorean: i was just wondering, what is your opinion about FS #8748 concerning 3.0? i could imagine that this could happen during regular use when someone just forgets to disable partymode (but in the other hand i haven't seen any reports from others about this problem).
10:56:28LloreanPaulJam: Well, the one comment can't reproduce it, but there's probably a decent chance it's actually related to the other playlist weirdness.
10:56:56LloreanOh, misread the comment
10:57:03LloreanBut still, let's see if the other playlist fix fixes it
10:57:05*JdGordon reckons the end of the playlist should disable party mode so that doesnt happen
10:57:06pixelmayay... I "like" the stats plugin change, especially considering that I just updated the documentation last week to say "/me "likes" the stats plugin commit... especially since the addition of "Press Button X to abort counting and exit the plugin. Press any key to quit after counting has finished."... :\
10:57:33pixelmaoops
10:57:35LloreanJdGordon: Party mode could be non-persistent across boots, so people never forget it's on.
10:57:46pixelmasorry for that "sentence"
10:57:55PaulJamJdGordon: actually i didn't let the playlist finish, but shut the device down.
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10:58:34JdGordonwell... if there is music being resumed then its OK if its persisted.. but if your going to start up in the menus/browser it shouldnt be
10:58:42JdGordonbut thats not very consistant
10:58:52*pixelma goes for another cup of coffee
10:59:15JdGordonPaulJam: seen the patch for the sleep timer and usb power bug?
10:59:19LloreanJdGordon: Arguably, a party-mode player should reject being shut down.
10:59:42JdGordontrue
10:59:46PaulJamJdGordon: yes, but i haven't tried it yet.
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11:00:45PaulJamLlorean: but then you'd still have the low batt shutdown
11:00:51JdGordonanyway, that sounds like a bug in the playlist generation code
11:01:16LloreanPaulJam: Yes, but if you can't shut down in party mode, then having party mode not persist across boots makes perfect sense, since it should never be on at boot. ;)
11:01:26LloreanDoesn't mean, though, that current behaviour isn't indicative of a bug. It certainly is.
11:01:36LloreanI just kinda suspect it's in the same family as the current playlist weirdness bug.
11:01:59bluebrotherZagor: the blue bar at the top of the wiki pages is really nice. But the links in it are kinda hard readable due to the blue on blue thingy ... is that intended?
11:02:33Zagorno I'm intending to make them white like in the left menu
11:02:57ZagorI'm not the best with css though. feel free to help.
11:03:38*bluebrother goes taking a look while MinGW creates a break ...
11:04:24Zagor:)
11:04:26PaulJamWell, i don't usually use partymode, so i don't know what the desired behaviour across boots would be. (i actually used it only once to prevent a friend from changing the song and he tried to be smart by restarting the player and selecting another song :) )
11:04:53pixelmaJdGordon: mind updating the stats.tex for the manual then? ;)
11:05:12gevaertspartymode is defined as 'never stop playing, whatever happens'. That somehow implies ignoring shutdown requests
11:05:17LloreanPaulJam: Yeah, "What should party mode do" can be discussed some other time, maybe once we have some people who use it to comment. :)
11:05:44JdGordonpixelma: I can tihnk of one or two other things I'd rather be doing :p
11:05:58JdGordonalso, I cant build the manual here, and dont know latex...
11:06:40Zagoras the author of party mode, I can say I didn't intend for it to be persistent across boots. I thought that would risk causing a lot of grief.
11:07:56pixelmayou would only need to rephrase 1 (or 2 sentences) no latex involved there, setting up the build environment to be able to build manuals is not hard, especially under linux
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11:09:06t0mashi guys :)
11:09:29JdGordonpixelma: stats.tex line 13.... s/any key/it again
11:10:30pixelmahehe that could work...
11:11:05pixelmaJdGordon: want to commit it yourself?
11:11:37JdGordonnot really... that will make you expect me to fix the manual more often :p
11:11:42JdGordonbut yeah... commiting
11:18:08JdGordonwell this is odd.... my e200 just crashed in the OF disconnecting from usb!
11:18:37pixelmathanks
11:19:01gevaertsYou mean the OF has bugs? How awful!
11:19:15JdGordon:)
11:19:31*JdGordon sets a 5 min sleep timer and runs off for a while
11:21:34PaulJambtw, is the non existent USB in rockbox for PP targets a 3.0 issue?
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11:24:46bertrikIMHO, it is not a major issue, because booting the OF for USB and charging is a very useable work-around. Especially with the provisions in the bootloader to automatically boot OF on power up from USB and the clearing of the database refresh bit.
11:25:17bertrik(was talking about sansa c200/e200)
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11:31:56LloreanPaulJam: No.
11:32:08LloreanPaulJam: We've defined blockers as "things that prevent normal use"
11:32:19LloreanWe'd LIKE USB, but it won't prevent a release
11:32:44PaulJamok
11:34:10LloreanThe goal is to see that any really major bugs are fixed, then spend a period concentrating on as much bug fixes with the other stuff as possible, then if there are features / plugins / codecs that don't work "well enough" we remove them entirely for the release version.
11:34:22LloreanA release doesn't need every "testing" feature, just the ones that work above a certain level of reliability
11:36:46peturgroup picture(s) online!
11:38:12gevaertsAlso goup pictures apparently
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11:42:02amiconnbertrik: Imo we should also add usb detection to the ipod bootloaders then
11:42:31Lloreanamiconn: I think we should.
11:43:05LloreanI'd like all bootloaders (when practical )to either have bootloader USB or, when USB isn't available to boot some form of disk mode instead of Rockbox.
11:43:54amiconnSame for the 1st 4th gen ipod bootloaders (including minis) and firewire
11:43:59amiconn1st..4th
11:44:17LloreanYes, substitute "USB" with "appropriate means of connection with the host"
11:44:37PaulJamJdGordon: (when you are back) the patch for sleep timer while USB charging seems to work here with my H300.
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11:44:48JdGordonPaulJam: :) just commited it
11:44:53JdGordontested on my e200 and worked fine
11:45:36amiconnLlorean: There'll be a bit of inconsistency once we add bootloader usb for PP - handle usb in the bootloader, but boot to OF for firewire
11:45:49amiconn(unless we learn how to do firewire ourselves as well)
11:46:19JdGordonis it possible to get the bootloaders to pass their version to the main binary?
11:46:25Lloreanamiconn: Not ideal, but at least it'll be consistent in terms of "if you have a cable plugged in, you don't go into Rockbox itself"
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11:46:43bertrikamiconn, I have no idea how the bootloader currently works for ipods, but I really like the way it works now for the sansas
11:47:29amiconnIt boots to rockbox by default, and it detects 2 different buttons for booting either into OF or ipodlinux
11:47:48amiconnNo USB or firewire detection yet
11:47:58JdGordonDomonoky: you wanted someone with an OSX box to build rbutil?
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11:48:34amiconnSo without rockbox usb it's rather annoying to boot an ipod by plugging usb/fw: Rockbox bootloader boots rockbox, rockbox detects usb/fw, and reboots into diskmode
11:48:42DomonokyJdGordon: yes, rbutil for OSX is one version behind.. but mak
11:49:04Domonokymake sure to build a staticbuild...
11:49:14JdGordonDomonoky: do you want access to my osx box so you can build it whenever its needed?
11:51:10DomonokyJdGordon: sounds good.. :-)
11:51:59B4gderdevcon talk in 9 minutes, 12:00 CEST!
11:52:22JdGordonexpect lots of funny typos again :)
11:53:07bluebrotherthere is a patch in the tracker around that implements usb bootloader for ipods
11:53:49JdGordonDomonoky: pm me a user/pass combo
11:54:01JdGordonwhich you can of course change once you login...
11:54:33*bluebrother is annoyed by rbutil's sansapatcher not detecting the sansa :(
11:55:18Lloreanbluebrother: When did that start?
11:55:43bluebrotherno idea ... I guess my recent changes to sansapatchers are to blame
11:56:36LloreanAh
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11:59:11Genre9mp3we'll also have sound at 12:00 CEST?
11:59:23bluebrotherLlorean: interestingly it works fine with ipodpatcher.
11:59:34LloreanWeird
11:59:44bluebrotherI assume it's kinda related to this "windows needs this buffer to be aligned" comment in the sources
11:59:55LloreanAh
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12:00:59Genre9mp3yay! Sound!
12:01:11LloreanYes. Incoming serious business. :-P
12:01:58B4gdermeeting time
12:02:05B4gderrecording enabled
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12:05:00markunGenre9mp3: is the audio loud enough?
12:05:41Genre9mp3markun: loud and clear! :)
12:07:50markungood :)
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12:09:17Genre9mp3markun: there's a 3-4s lag... I saw you typing "good" some secs later on ustream :)
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12:14:28*Genre9mp3 likes the "screw the users" idea! :)
12:15:56Llorean:-P
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12:22:07funmanhello
12:22:22Genre9mp3hi
12:23:17JdGordonwe do need _somewhere_ that users can request stuff....
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12:24:02peturJdGordon: a new subforum...
12:24:08pixelmaLlorean: maybe login as "DevCon" so someone could ping you?
12:24:16LloreanThey can just ping me-me.
12:24:18pixelmaor us
12:24:21LloreanIndeed
12:24:24peturme me me
12:24:27LloreanHahaha
12:24:55*pixelma can't see a me-me around
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12:25:40scorche|shhrm...rockboxdev.sh seems to be not working properly...or i did something wrong...
12:26:18JdGordondid you fix your PATH? :D
12:26:30*scorche|sh slaps JdGordon
12:27:02scorche|shno binaries are placed into /usr/local/*-elf/bin
12:27:05funmanI own that kind of device: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CobyInfo and I'm trying to get the firmware from it
12:27:11*petur accepts money from JdGordon to slap scorche|sh
12:27:27funmanI can put it in recovery mode, but I end up with an empty hard disk
12:27:27*scorche|sh ponders throwing his bottle at petur
12:27:40peturha! it's only plastic
12:27:44JdGordon:)
12:27:55JdGordonscrap the manual!
12:27:55funmanthere is some tools available in the wild, but of course they are all for windows, without the source
12:27:57*scorche|sh hides
12:27:58*petur got a glass bottle
12:28:07*funman thinks he'll come back later .. :)
12:29:51Genre9mp3users response to developers' RTFM...: UTFM! ;)
12:30:22gevaertsdevelopers' response to that : please submit patches :)
12:30:33funman;)
12:30:37*bluebrother slaps JdGordon with a set of manuals
12:30:40JdGordonthe wiki or manual shold be autogenerated from the other... its too much effort to keep them both updated
12:30:56gevaertsWhat's in the manual doesn't need to be on the wiki
12:30:59JdGordonor the wiki's scope should stay with development stuff
12:31:53funmandid the firmware loaders have been written from dumping USB traffic between the device and the genuine firmware loader from the constructor ?
12:32:14funmanI mean rbutil/*patcher/
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12:33:05bertrikfunman, depends on the specific player, a lot of them are just standard USB mass storage
12:33:12Domonokyfunman: no, they patch the original firmware which is on the drive (in a extra partition), so no need to sniff USB traffic...
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12:33:30Tyrohello
12:33:39funmanthey all seem to rely on the fact that the firmware is readable/writable from a standard disk partition on a mass storage device
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12:34:37gevaertsThat is currently true, yes. I don't think it's a fundamental issue though
12:34:42Domonokyfunman: it depends on the device... most have the firmware on the drive... but newer (upcomming) targets are different :-)
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12:35:34funmangevaerts: since my device has no partition, I'm a bit out of ideas :)
12:36:02funmanI found that a lot of people already studied it however, but most of the interesting ressources are in chinese or polish
12:36:16funmanso I have to use google translate, but it doesn't speak slang :)
12:36:29bertrikfunman, I have some experience with reverse engineering proprietary USB protocols, so maybe I can help
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12:36:57funmanbertrik: unfortunately I have no windows to run the original programs
12:37:39funmanso unless you own this one: http://www.ecvv.com/offerdetail/I1082499.html that'd be very hard
12:37:48bertrikin that case it gets very hard for me to help you
12:38:37B4gderfunman: normally we "attack" the upgrade procedure and figure it out from there
12:38:37PaulJamfunman: maybe you could ask wpyh if he can help you translate the chinese resources.
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12:39:19funmanB4gder: "attack" in which way ?
12:39:33B4gdertrace it, analyze it
12:39:39B4gderreverse engineering
12:39:47funmanright
12:39:48bertrikdoes the manufacturer offer a firmware upgrade online?
12:40:34JdGordonLlorean: cant we just stick the remote keymaps as an appendix?
12:40:38funmanI found a user describing the update http://randomcontent.hopto.org/mp3player/loadingfw.html#1 with links to the software and firmware
12:40:59LloreanJdGordon: That's actually what I'm going to suggest as soon as they let me speak. :-P
12:41:00funmanI found a firmware on the manufacturer site but it's 404 now
12:41:02Genre9mp3Llorean: What about "unofficial" remotes that actually work with Rockbox? (eg. h300 lcd remote on h100) should that be documented as well?
12:41:14funmanand I threw the cd coming with the device o:
12:41:17bertrikfunman, ah interesting, can you add those links to the wiki?
12:41:53Tyrohey, could someone do me a real favour? i patched the software but when i wanna compile it doesnt work.. can someone compile my patched rockbox for ´me plz?
12:42:22scorche|shTyro: define "doesnt work"
12:42:32LloreanGenre9mp3: Eh, dunno.
12:42:34funmanbertrik: on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CobyInfo ? I'm not sure what "CobyInfo" means
12:42:46funmanor maybe I should create a page with the name of the CPU
12:42:47JdGordonLlorean: hang on... whats the big deal about just putting an extra table next to the current one's? it will only affect a few of the manuals anyway
12:43:00LinusNi agree
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12:45:02Tyrowhen ill enter make i get the following message: make[1]: arm-elf-ggc: command not found
12:45:20stripwaxggc? does it say "gcc" ?
12:45:21DomonokyTyro: you dont have the right compilers in your path...
12:45:21scorche|shTyro: you need to add it to your path as the script told you when it ended..
12:46:27Tyrookay..
12:46:59Tyromy english is not so well.. :o) i dont realy understand..
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12:47:14Tyrowhere i can get the "right" compiler?
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12:47:23scorche|sh"path" is a technical term and shouldnt really be translated
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12:47:48scorche|shwell, how did you try installing?...are you on linux? etc?
12:47:51Tyroof course i understand path..
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12:47:53Dav1zzlehelllloooo :)
12:47:55bertrikfunman, yeah maybe we need a page with a better name and something with the main controller type in it looks better than CobyInfo. I'm not completely familiar with the current wiki naming policies though, so you'll have to ask someone else.
12:47:58DomonokyTyro: did you run rockboxdev.sh to get the right crosscompilers ? (if not take a look at the wiki,)
12:48:28funmanI'll go for AliCorp5661
12:48:48funmanthat's the usb id
12:48:52Tyrono i dont..
12:49:27funmanhum I have trouble registering
12:49:36funmanI'm brought on the empty "http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/oops/Main/WebHome?template=oopsattention;def=registration_mail_failed;param1=rafael.carre%26%2364%3bgmail.com;param2=No mail handler available"
12:49:53*scorche|sh pings Zagor
12:50:40gevaertsfunman: That will get fixed (hopefully soon), but the one who does those things is busy discussing remotes right now
12:50:44Zagoryeah, we're closed :)
12:50:57funmanok ..
12:51:05*funman puts $10 in gevaerts's pocket
12:51:05Zagorno, just kidding. it's a bug
12:51:06funmanand now ?
12:51:24scorche|shfunman: sorry...we are having our annual Rockbox developers conference....we are int he middle of discussions at the moment
12:51:25Zagorwe have a meeting at the moment, i'll look into it soon
12:51:36funmanah ok, then good meeting
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12:51:54funmanI'll keep these links handy
12:52:06funmanI'll try run the manufacturer software from reactos
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12:59:17Genre9mp3Llorean: could you please later ask what developers think about updating the database via rbutil?
12:59:42scorche|shGenre9mp3: it is something that is thought that would be good
12:59:56scorche|shwell, run that sentence through a grammar filter...
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13:00:06LloreanGenre9mp3: LinusN and I already agreed on that.
13:00:13scorche|shit just requires someone to implement it
13:00:14Genre9mp3ok, thanks
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13:04:11*gevaerts remembers that he has to show Domonoky and bluebrother how rbutil behaves with ion2
13:04:47PaulJami think it would require someone to keep updating id when something in the database cahnges, there were already tools to update the DB on the PC side, but they became incompatible and forgotten.
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13:05:35PaulJam*would _also_ require
13:06:29DomonokyPaulJam: there is the beginning of a db update tool which uses rockbox db code... so this should always be uptodate :-)
13:06:52bluebrotherGenre9mp3: please do
13:07:02bluebrothersorry, was meant for gevaerts
13:07:32oboDomonoky: it has some nice errors when doing a "make database" under /tools :)
13:08:33LloreanPaulJam: Yes, as Domonoky, we should be including the core Rockbox database generation, rather than using a script.
13:09:16Domonokyobo: yes i said "beginning" :-)
13:09:24bertrikSorry, but what problem is solved by generating the database on the PC side?
13:09:30obospeed
13:10:07Genre9mp3bertrik: speed and automation (not have to do it manualy later on target)
13:10:20obomaybe it could also alert the user if it comes across corrupt/unreadable tags?
13:11:51JdGordonit dropped me so you may have mentioned this.... moving the current install means you lose the userdata...
13:11:52bertrikI don't think it's that slow on my DAP and it is done automatically, but maybe it slow is on other players.
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13:12:36Genre9mp3bertrik: depends also on how many files you have
13:12:38Tyrodamn i dont get it..
13:13:55bertrikGenre9mp3, ok I have a flash target with just 4GB
13:14:41bertrikBut maybe we should just try to make it faster on target rather than completely changing the way it is generated
13:15:14Genre9mp3bertrik: well you could still update the dB on target
13:15:16JdGordonLlorean: mention nico's WPS line height patch....
13:15:53pixelmadidn't it have a problem with scrolling lines?
13:16:02JdGordondont remember
13:16:08LloreanYeah
13:16:11LloreanIt turned out to be _really_ glitchy
13:16:17JdGordonoh, ok
13:16:25pixelmasearch for it in the tracker?
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13:18:33obohmm, /tools/checkwps is broken too
13:18:59Tyroso, i dont know what i do wrong.. can someone compile my patched version for me?
13:19:17scorche|shTyro: did you add the folders to your path?
13:20:08Tyroyeah, ill try to..
13:20:18B4gderfs#4733 is the multi font
13:21:06Tyrobut nothing works and ill go crazy in a minute Oo
13:21:46scorche|sh...did you try it?
13:21:46oboB4gder: would it be possible (or desired?) to add the various tools (maybe as one "target") to the build page, so their breakage is noticed?
13:22:26Genre9mp3Llorean: is there going to be talk about bootloaders later on?
13:22:44B4gderobo: yeah, I've thought about that as well
13:23:10B4gderwe can get it done by cleaning them before rebuilds
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13:24:07PaulJamGenre9mp3: i think there was some talk about that in yesterdays conference, not sure what the outcome was, though.
13:25:02B4gderwhat's there to talk about them?
13:25:13TyroAn alternative way is to temporarily tell the compiler to accept commands from your build directory (where you wish to build rockbox). This can be done by typing the following into cygwin, after navigating to your build directory export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH
13:25:22B4gderthose are more action-points rather that discussions
13:25:26Tyroi try this because it sounds easier for me..
13:25:36Tyrobut still nothing goes on..
13:25:48Genre9mp3B4gder: I was actually wondering about h300 bootloader as showstopper to 3.0
13:26:02B4gderI don't think we consider it that
13:26:55LloreanIt's not.
13:27:02LloreanWe have _one_ registered showstopper right now.
13:27:09PaulJamon the roadmap fo 3.0 in the tracker the bootloader issues are still listed.
13:27:09LloreanThe rest of them are just "really like to have"s
13:28:29*Genre9mp3 suggests lock petur, LinusN and some h300s in a seperate room after the meeting! ;)
13:28:44LinusNi'm working on it
13:28:51JdGordonLlorean: that setting should get into the quickscreen then...
13:28:53LinusNfor hours and hours
13:28:54*PaulJam agrees with Genre9mp3
13:29:15scorche|shwell, petur's H300 needs to get back to a working state, so... ;)
13:30:01JdGordonleve REP for after 3.0...
13:30:06JdGordonleave*
13:30:15B4gderit's not a show-stopper anyway
13:30:46*petur sends all tapers users to JdGordon
13:31:06*scorche|sh hands JdGordon some bear mace
13:31:11JdGordon:)
13:31:30*pixelma reminds JdGordon about reworking the recording screen anyways...
13:31:56JdGordonpixelma: I havnt forgotten...
13:32:07JdGordonits such a mess there atm, its difficult...
13:32:09LloreanJdGordon: These aren't "3.0 topics" just "Future topics"
13:32:31LloreanAny other topics you guys think is important we should discuss?
13:32:36JdGordonna
13:32:49Genre9mp3Rockbox logo! :P
13:32:54*Genre9mp3 hides
13:32:58JdGordonwel... maybe seeing if bootloaders can pass its version to the main binary?
13:33:08*Genre9mp3 of course is kidding
13:33:10JdGordonbut that probably doesnt need a big discussion.. just someone to do it
13:33:13*gevaerts tattoos the logo on Genre9mp3's forehead
13:33:13*scorche|sh kicks Genre9mp3 on the shin
13:33:24JdGordonmalloc!
13:33:35LinusN /kickban JdGordon
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13:33:43JdGordon:)
13:33:45LloreanGenre9mp3: We had a vote, old logo stays.
13:33:56Genre9mp3Llorean: Yay!
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13:34:23JdGordonwe sort of have malloc.... nico sneaked it in
13:34:40Lloreanbuffer alloc?
13:34:43JdGordonyeah
13:35:05JdGordonthe malloced blob moves around so its dangerous...
13:35:17LloreanIt's safe enough for some uses.
13:35:35LinusNwe can add malloc(), but not free()
13:35:51gevaertsOr we can add free, but not malloc()
13:36:47PaulJambtw. LinusN, petur: if there are any non-risk-of-bricking things i could do to help with testing H300 bootloader issues, feel free to ping me. My h300 has problems with the svn bootloader too.
13:37:26JdGordonwps for the fm screen...
13:37:31peturPaulJam: is your h300 modified in any way?
13:39:13Tyroso, i realy dont get it.. so i ask once again.. somebody here who would compile for me?
13:39:41PaulJampetur: yes, replaced the HD with a MK4007GAL. (and replaced the battery and the UDA1380TT, but that is probably not of importance)
13:40:54peturPaulJam: LinusN has some interesting theory about only modified h300 having problems with the svn bootloader... but no explanation
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13:46:19Nico_P40 commits! wow you guys are on fire! :)
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13:47:20JdGordonNico_P: do you think 8206 might be related to that other near playlist end bug?
13:47:58Nico_PJdGordon: no, that's another issue
13:51:30LearBtw, anyone else seen problems with dircache enabled on a Sansa e200? Seems like since I upgraded to an 8 GB SDHC (from a 2 GB SD), enabling dircache causes data aborts when playing certain tracks...
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13:59:21*JdGordon stops watching so he doesnt go over his download allowance :(
13:59:30Llorean:(
13:59:38LloreanWell there will be a recording after, as last time
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14:02:02LloreanNico_P: Any ideas for how to set up an official, automated git mirror of SVN?
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14:02:52Nico_PLlorean: it shouldn't be too hard... the master server could run a script regularly or on each commit to sync the git repo with the svn repo, and push the new commit(s)
14:03:05LloreanNico_P: Good to hear, we're in favour of setting such a thing up.
14:03:15Nico_Pit could become more complicated if we want to allow pushing to the git repo to commit
14:03:37Nico_Pbut that wouldn't be a very good idea IMHO... either we switch or we don't
14:03:48Genre9mp3What would be the benfits of such a move?
14:03:49Nico_P(about the second thing I described)
14:04:13Tyropleaaase!
14:04:13LloreanNico_P: Right now, commits go out to git, but don't come back from it seems to be preferred
14:04:21Nico_PI agree
14:04:26Tyroi wanna listen to music in the week
14:04:36Nico_PATM, all I do to sync my repo is "git svn rebase; git push main"
14:04:41scorche|shyou cant do that with the official version?
14:04:53scorche|shand you never reported with how your path adding went
14:04:57LloreanNico_P: So, pretty trivial.
14:05:09pixelmaTyro: you were the one with a "problematic" Ipod Photo/Color/4th gen?
14:05:23Tyroyes..
14:05:30Genre9mp3no.. still sound!
14:06:07Genre9mp3there is still sound... but I won't tell you that! :P
14:06:20Genre9mp3ok... now sound is gone :(
14:07:34Nico_PLlorean: exactly. once it's setup it's easy to maintain
14:07:36Tyroand i found a patch, patch the source but i cant compile.. ill working all the night long but it doesnt work..
14:07:44Nico_PI've described the setup in the git wiki page
14:08:43LloreanNico_P: Good to hear. :)
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14:11:21B4gderhttp://www.ustream.tv/recorded/521865
14:11:32B4gdertoday's session, 2h 2mins
14:11:53PaulJamTyro: you could alternatively temporary use an older daily build from before the issue started, or try the build that is attached to the tracker task (9122).
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14:12:32Nico_Pdecon guys: which targets are you indending to include in the release?
14:12:40Nico_Ps/decon/devcon
14:13:05B4gderbasically all that we "support" today I'd say
14:13:25LloreanProbably so, yes.
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14:13:34Nico_Pgood :)
14:13:38LloreanI don't see any target-specific blockers among them, except maybe the 1G/2G
14:13:46LloreanSince having players you can't turn off might confuse users.
14:13:58Nico_Pdid you discuss the GUI slowness on the 5.5G (and prob. others)?
14:14:17Nico_Pi.e. committing a GUI boost patch before release
14:14:24LloreanIt wasn't even brought up when we were trying to bring up blockers.
14:14:51LloreanWe really only focused on "what HAS to be fixed" leaving "what should be fixed" to be things that individuals care about focusing on.
14:14:56Nico_PI'm not sure it's really a blocker
14:15:01LloreanI don't think it is.
14:15:01Nico_Pyeah
14:15:14LloreanThat being said, it's probably not a bad fix
14:15:38LloreanIt's not idea (in that it'd be better to see if we can solve it with optimization) but it works, and it works _now_
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14:16:39bertrikNico_P: I hoped your fix for FS #9110 would also fix the boost problem on last track in FS #8964, but unfortunately it doesn't
14:17:07Nico_Pdifferent issue, unfortunately :(
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14:44:05JdGordonLlorean: anything interesting get discussed after I left?
14:44:49*petur is now saving the processed wav to disk, then will convert to mp3 and upload
14:47:21LloreanJdGordon: Plenty of things, I'm not exactly sure where we were when you left.
14:47:41LloreanMostly though, we just came up with a lot of policy agreements ("we'd like to see X happen about Y issue")
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14:51:31LloreanJdGordon: Download the recorded video then, and you can see what you missed.
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14:55:39*Genre9mp3 notices that there's no "requests" link anymore in the front page.... so I guess we are completely drop this?
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15:01:08Genre9mp3damn! I didn't manage to request a <insert game console here> emulator! :/
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15:02:30gevaertsAre there any regular ipod video users around ?
15:02:43fyrestormim here
15:03:20*obo raises his hand
15:03:23soapme
15:03:29fyrestormthats 3
15:03:44gevaertsCould you test the latest build (r17876, once it's available. It's still building), and see if the UI is more responsive ?
15:03:55fyrestormwill do
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15:05:17fyrestormbtw, do the two of you experience a freeze if you plug the ipod in while its off?
15:05:29fyrestormi thought this was fixed a while back
15:05:47bertrikI like those kinds of patches best: code gets smaller, simpler and performs better :)
15:06:09fyrestormok, build is up
15:06:15fyrestorminstalling now
15:07:41fyrestormim confirming
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15:08:18fyrestormits still kinda slow when scrolling while playing though
15:08:32gevaertsBut in general it's better ?
15:08:40fyrestormseems like it
15:09:21fyrestormonce i have a song loaded though, its a bit laggy
15:09:26fyrestormeven when paused
15:09:52fyrestormwell actually, not so much right now.
15:10:42fyrestormi havent updated my build in quite a while
15:10:50fyrestormits been a few weeks
15:11:30B4gderhttp://www.rockbox.org/devcon2008/meeting2.mp3
15:11:37fyrestormthe freezing bug is still there though :/
15:12:25amiconnThat's something else
15:12:29fyrestormyeah
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15:13:13amiconnWhat I did was speeding up the code that is responsible for drawing all the text, so UI should be more responsive than before especially when scrolling throuh lists with long file names
15:13:21fyrestormi just saw the svn :)
15:13:51fyrestormit was noticably faster without a song loaded up
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15:21:07Nico_Pamiconn: nice :) I'll try it
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15:24:23bertrikI don't notice any ill effect from it on my sansa
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15:46:37wpyhfunman: I can help translate some resources
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15:51:55wild_oscargood afternoon!
15:52:31wild_oscarI have never tried rockbox, but am curious to know what's the probability of it working on an ipod which seems to be faulty
15:52:40BigBambiwild_oscar: faulty how?
15:53:08wild_oscarie, I was looking at ebay's auctions and saw a lot of faulty ipods there. most of them say they "display an unhappy face logo at boot"
15:53:24BigBambiit is really impossible to say without knowing what the problem is
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15:54:25wild_oscaron an ebay auction all the info I'll get is, of course, that it's not working and displays an unhappy face
15:54:39BigBambiWell, it is then impossible to say
15:55:06soapThe odds of Rockbox working on a faulty iPod are no greater than the odds of Apple's firmware working on a faulty iPod.
15:55:07wild_oscarBigBambi: does rockbox have a record of working on otherwise useless ipods?
15:55:12wild_oscaroh
15:55:26BigBambiwild_oscar: If it is a hardware problem, it won't be any difference
15:55:28wild_oscarthat was basically my question
15:55:36PaulJami think you can generally say, that when you can't make the apple firmware run, it's extremely unlikely that you'll be able to mae rockbox run
15:55:43BigBambiIf it isn't a hardware problem, then you should be able to get either to run
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15:56:11wild_oscarso if it's useless to the point of a person to sell it on ebay for 1 pound, it's probably really useles..
15:56:22soapAnd considering the number of guides out there - the odds of simple Apple firmware corruption being the cause of the unhappy face should be considered quite slim.
15:56:48wild_oscaryeah
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15:58:37wild_oscarwell, thanks for the info
15:58:46wild_oscarI should probably stay away from these ipods :)
15:59:56JdGordonpixelma: safe to close 8318?
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16:12:41amiconnbertrik: Targets using the same CPU family shouldn't behave different. Of course I tested this before commit on coldfire (H300), PP502x (H10) and gigabeat F
16:14:03JdGordondevcon ppl: can someone with a nano test out 8970 and fix the problem? supposedly the nano will crash entering the quickscreen if the lang is german?
16:14:11bertrikok, I was just confirming that for sansa e200
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16:16:44amiconnI have to brush it up a bit before committing it
16:19:22JdGordonNico_P: any siggestions on 8952? or just close it and say "add spaces for the play status"?
16:19:36Nico_Pamiconn: r17876 is a very nice improvement :)
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16:20:16JdGordonhmm... even adding one space is enough, so I guess || makes the code thing there is nothing to display... which probably makes sense
16:20:51Nico_Pyeah, one space should be enough
16:21:34Nico_Pmaybe post a comment saying that and close if the reporter responds saying it's working
16:22:39JdGordoni checked and it does work
16:22:43JdGordonclosed as wont fix...
16:30:14JdGordonanyone have an opiion on 8814 - restarting playback splash (en/disabling crossfade) doesnt clear itself which makes the player look like its frozen up... I want to remove the splash instead of trying to fix it....
16:33:56BigBambigevaerts: Incidently, I booted the ATMT using the Logik Dax firmware and it runs perfectly. They are completely identical
16:34:04LloreanJdGordon: If you don't have the splash, people will say "Why'd my playback skip when I enabled it?"
16:34:50bertrikargh, I remember looking into FS #8814 but can't remember the outcome nor did I add a comment
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16:34:56JdGordonthey arnt that silly are they?
16:35:01BigBambigevaerts: The only unfortunate thing is it now won't boot from NAND, only USB - note this isn't a result of the Dax firmware, it is the result of me arsing up the soldering.
16:35:05pixelmaJdGordon: guess amiconn is the best to decide about this one...
16:35:27gevaertsBigBambi: I should try soldering too. Unfortunately I'm no good at it
16:35:31JdGordonpixelma: mind trying to persuade him to have a looky? :)
16:35:54pixelmaalready gave him the link ;)
16:36:46JdGordonLlorean: or, if it has to stay... can it be moved to the actual setting and changed to "playback needs to be restarted" so the menu will redraw it (might need a HZ/2 pause though to make it readable)?
16:37:30*JdGordon is trying to get the tracker down to 100 non manual/rbutil bugs
16:38:24LloreanJdGordon: As long as the user knows playback will restart, I don't care where it is.
16:38:28LloreanI just don't want them thinking it's a bug. :)
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16:39:53amiconnJdGordon: I closed 8318 now
16:40:19bluebrotheras rbutil only has 4 open tasks ...
16:40:20JdGordon:)
16:40:49JdGordonbluebrother: I've got that as a saved search... I dont know how many they add
16:41:00LloreanJdGordon: Good job closing. Once they stick someone with the RC job, less work for them. :)
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17:29:32pixelmaJdGordon: I can confirm http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8970 in a Nano (did work correctly on the Mini and small H10 but freezes on Nano) but freezes on a Nano. The option names are so long that they would have to scroll but don't
17:30:05JdGordonarg.. any suggestions?
17:30:18JdGordonthey should be able to scroll though...?
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17:33:14pixelmapetur said yesterday that there are some spots in the viewports code where the lcd height is assumed from the lcd width, maybe it's the problem there because the nano screen has the same width as the e200? Just a guess though
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18:01:13kugelJdGordon: I can't really tell you why the patch is not working for you
18:01:28kugelHave you actually tried it on a target now?
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19:44:08*Nico_P thinks he might have a fix for FS #8977
19:45:31*soap wonders if the RSB will be as easy to bribe/corrupt as the IOC.
19:46:59Nico_Phttp://pastebin.ca/1058301
19:47:32Nico_Pany testers?
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19:54:58MarcGuayNico_P: I'll give it a shot...
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19:55:05Nico_Pthanks :)
19:55:17Nico_PMarcGuay: have you tried my earlier fix btw?
19:55:34MarcGuayNico_P: Nope. I never experienced these problems in the first place... :)
19:55:44MarcGuayNico_P: FS#?
19:55:47Nico_Pright :)
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19:55:57Nico_PFS #9110
19:57:00*PaulJam listened to Dream Theaters "A Change Of Seasons" album today without having the player hang at the last track :)
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19:59:11MarcGuaySo the situation is no-auto-change-dir, no repeat... Does it need to be a long playlist?
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20:02:50Nico_PMarcGuay: for which bug? reproducing FS #8977 doesn't have much requirements
20:03:00Nico_PPaulJam: cool :)
20:03:15MarcGuayNico_P: Was looking at the second, hang-at-end-o'-playlist, one..
20:03:35MarcGuayAlmost done building with your patch...
20:03:46Nico_Poh, then yes you need to disable repeat and auto dir change
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20:11:57MarcGuayPaulJam, Nico_P: For 9110 does the entire playlist have to be run through or can the last track be skipped to?
20:12:03MarcGuay(to test it)
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20:14:38fmlNico_P: hello. I could not reproduce the buf FS #9110 with r17876. Just wanted to let you know.
20:14:40PaulJamMarcGuay: i'm not sure. i didn't do any skipping (which also made the reproduction very time consuming until the quicker way with only 3 tracks was found)
20:15:49fmlMarcGuay: btw: now that the study mode is documented in the manual, wouldn't it also be good to make it available in the WPS? There is a patch in the tracker, I don't remember the number though.
20:15:51MarcGuayNico_P: Trying to reproduce 8977 with your patch and can't.
20:16:27MarcGuayfml: I suppose so. Seen the request/patch myself as well...
20:16:50MarcGuayNico_P: But I can't say I understand the recipe very well... Using FLAC, trying to bug it out..
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20:19:56MarcGuayNico_P: Just had it break on me by skipping backwards several tracks quickly.
20:20:11Nico_P:/
20:20:22MarcGuayNico_P: Interface is working but playback can't be restarted.
20:20:45Nico_PMarcGuay: to answer your earlier question, 9110 doesn't require the whole playlist to be run through
20:21:06Nico_PI only used 3 tracks to reproduce
20:21:26MarcGuayNico_P: And then jump to the last track and play it all the way through?
20:22:01MarcGuayNico_P: I hate to say it but it's very easy to break playback by just skipping a few tracks quickly...
20:22:03Nico_Pnot even that. I fast forward to a point just before rebuffering occurs
20:22:13MarcGuaySansa e200 if that makes a difference to you...
20:22:19Nico_PI'll try
20:22:44MarcGuayNico_P: Playback can be revived if you Stop and the Resume.
20:22:47Nico_Pdo you think my latest patch makes it easier to break playback with quick skipping?
20:23:25MarcGuayNico_P: I'll revert and check..
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20:25:39J-23Hi!
20:25:50MarcGuayNico_P: Yes, I can't get the same freeze to happen with 17881.
20:26:45MarcGuayNico_P: But I can reproduce 8977... :) Shitty.
20:26:55J-23I applied http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4760 patch, but compiling returned http://pastebin.com/dd77f571
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20:28:38MarcGuaypixelma: If you've got a minute, do you mind reviewing http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17880? I still don't trust myself...
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20:30:09MarcGuaypixelma: Crap, just realized that the 1/2/3G ipods will have the "In the unlikely event of a software failure, a hardware power off can be performed by holding down" sentence with nothing after it..
20:31:01bertrikJ-23: if you really need it, I could have a go at fixing that patch back up
20:31:41pixelmaMarcGuay: sorry, not at home yet just a short pause. Wanted to copy some stuff off of the laptop and thought I might as well join as I have some spare minutes until I leave for the train I wanted to catch (about 30 minutes)
20:32:13J-23bertrik: no, I can wait for new version of this patch.
20:32:17MarcGuaypixelma: Okay. I found my own bug! Thanks anyway.
20:32:30MarcGuaySometimes it helps just to hear yourself ask. :)
20:32:42pixelmatrue :)
20:33:15MarcGuayNico_P: Can't reproduce 9110 with 17881 + e200.
20:34:40Nico_PMarcGuay: the key is to have the last track not fully buffered
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20:35:21Nico_PI used 3 tracks, with the first two amounting to ~25 MB and the last one being ~12 MB
20:35:57Nico_Pwhen the rebuffering occurs in the middle of the last track, playback stalls
20:36:09PaulJamNico_P: isn't it expected that he _can't_ reproduce it with 17881?
20:36:33Nico_Phmm yes indeed. :p
20:36:49Nico_PI thought my commit was r17885
20:37:01*Nico_P had a couple martinis
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20:37:26MarcGuayHa. I should specify that it's a good thing!
20:37:48Nico_Pthen I'm pleases :)
20:37:51Nico_Ppleased
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20:39:51MarcGuayNico_P: Either put down the martini or the keyboard. I think they're having compatibility issues. :)
20:40:06MarcGuayThis martini does not work with Nico_P v1.1
20:40:12Nico_Phehe :)
20:40:18Nico_PI'm going for the Ballmer peak
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20:41:19MarcGuayNico_P: I'm going to go outside and play, it's a lovely day here. If you want me to test a patch I'll search the logs later on this evening. Ciao.
20:41:36Nico_Pciao ;)
20:46:15Reemohey guys, first i wanted to thank you for rockbox. Great fw, makes the X5 much faster. My question is related to the themes: Why do some of them look just crap on the X5, even if screenshot looks great? (e.g. HipodDark)? Are they broken?
20:47:43Nico_PReemo: theme compatibility was borken recently, so that may be the cause
20:47:49Nico_Pthemes need to be updated
20:48:10Reemo:) i already thought so, okay
20:53:01ReemoAh btw, isnt it possible (and probably better) to just toogle the icon of settings which are boolean rather than showing a Yes/No Window?
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20:57:27webguest39how do i get my songs added from itunes to show up?
20:58:06PaulJamuse the Database. The manual will give you more info.
20:58:09pixelmatry reading the manual, especially the database section might be of interest to you ;)
20:58:35advcomp2019and make sure they do not have DRM too
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20:59:37webguest39DRm?
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21:00:31Reemohmm guys, another thing. Just patched the RTC Patch for the X5 into source of... yesterday. How safe is it to load this onto the X5?
21:00:36J-23Digital R{estrictions,ights} Management?
21:00:51PaulJamDigital Rights Management. Apple calls it FairPlay afaik. but that's offtopic here.
21:01:36PaulJamReemo: FS# ?
21:02:19webguest39so protcted AAC files are a no go?
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21:04:33PaulJamReemo: if i understand correctly the bootloader on x5 isn't aware of rtc alarm. so it might not work. but i wouldn't expect it do do any harm.
21:05:23Reemohmpf
21:06:21PaulJammaybe i'm wrong the last comment reads as if it wouldn't work, but earlier comments suggest that it actually works.
21:06:43amiconnMarcGuay: Regarding hardware poweroff and ipods - you can't force a hardware poweroff on ipods, just a hardware reset
21:07:14amiconnThat works for all ipods, but the button combo is different on 1st..3rd gen from the later ones
21:07:45amiconnOn 1st..3rd Gen it's Menu + Play, on the later ones it's Menu + Select
21:07:59PaulJamReemo: the best way to find out is probably to just try it.
21:08:54Reemojust did
21:10:44lolmausHey amiconn, are you going to further solve the ripple/blank screen issue on M3? I still can't use RockBox. Should i forget about it?
21:13:14bertrikJ-23: I think I solved the conflicts, but as far as I can tell the rockcalendar plugin does not get compiled for sansa e200 (which I personally have and can test on)
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21:15:29EvilnickAnyone know if it's possible to fix the beaSt's partition information from within Windows?
21:15:52Evilnicki.e. Step 2 of the installation instructions
21:16:04_23__hi all
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21:22:59_23__Hi all
21:24:38J-23bertrik: can I test it on my Sansa c240?
21:24:48_23__ I have seen a week ago and told me that rockbox for meizu m6 will be ready today
21:25:21PaulJam_23__: who told you that?
21:26:13_23__not remember
21:27:59PaulJam_23__: could it be that someone told you that there will be some m6 hacking during devcon and you have misunderstood it?
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21:28:35_23__maybe
21:28:55_23__i bad in english
21:29:09GuybrushI am having difficulty playing MIDI files on my rockbox'ed sansa e260
21:29:12_23__becuse i am from Russia
21:29:22Guybrushit says I need instruments?
21:29:31_23__http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9125 - what is it ?
21:30:00J-23unflashable Rockbox port for Meizu M6
21:30:22J-23it can't be uploaded to player, but it's only beginning of port.
21:30:45_23__what he does
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21:30:47_23__?
21:31:27J-23now probably nothing :D
21:31:39krazykitGuybrush, i thought rbutil had an option to install the voices
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21:32:06bertrikJ-23: I don't think it will build for c240 either, because the patch checks for specific screen widths and 132 is not one of them
21:32:52J-23:/
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21:35:14PaulJam_Guybrush, krazykit: the midi plugin needs a patchset to be installed. see here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMidiPlay (this is also mentioned in the manual)
21:37:32Guybrushthank ya pauljam
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21:43:47J-23What's to do with Calendar to make it working on C200 Sansas?
21:44:52bertrikI don't know, I didn't write it.
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21:46:17bertrikthe rockcalendar code is full of #ifdefs that depend the exact lcd width
21:46:41J-23hmm, I know it and I think bitmaps need to be resized.
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21:51:08J-23good night!
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21:56:38ReemoHmm
21:56:49Reemois there any way i can help to make the themes re usable?
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22:01:30PaulJam_Reemo: if they are published under a license that allows you to modify them then you can fix the WPS (and updoad the fixed version again). the WPS syntax is described here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS
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22:02:01Reemookay, and is there a changelog describing what exactly is broken?
22:02:39PaulJam_http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17759
22:02:52PaulJam_and http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17763
22:11:31ReemoAehm, a question regarding theme iCatcher: Whats this 2 | 3 on top?
22:17:24ReemoaHhH shuffle :D
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22:39:13preglowdid you plow through more issues in the meetings than are jotted down in the wiki?
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22:39:50Bagdera little more, yes
22:40:04BagderI think we'll try to get a page done with conclusions and things
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22:40:37preglowexcellent
22:40:50preglowi'm really looking forward to seeing how the steering boards idea turns out
22:41:02Bagderyeps
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22:41:30bertrikhow does disk spinup and spindown work? I see only a few places where ata_spin is called. What happens if a plugin accesses a file when the disk is spun down?
22:42:03*Bagder heads to bed now after a rather intense weekend
22:43:18amiconnbertrik: You don't need to deal with it normally. ata_spin() is only called if you want the disk to keep spinning if it already is
22:43:29amiconn(it just resets the spindown timer)
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22:44:27bertrikok
22:44:31*preglow sits down and strokes his sd card again
22:44:45lolmausHey amiconn, are you going to further solve the ripple/blank screen issue on M3? I still can't use RockBox. Should i forget about it?
22:44:58bertrikdeja vu
22:45:01amiconnSo far I thought it was solved?
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22:46:21lolmausamiconn, i tried it after you fixed something but it was still the same. I catch ripple and blank screen :( And up/down buttons are still reverse in menus
22:46:49amiconnThe buttons are mapped the way they should be in rockbox
22:48:26amiconnHonestly I have no idea why it doesn't work for you, or rather, how much slower it might need to be to fix it (and what part of the transfer needs to be slower)
22:48:45lolmausI could test it for you
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22:49:58lolmaus"the way they should be in rockbox" −− it's always better when the way is for user's convenience, not programmer's concept
22:50:15amiconnIt is for user's convenience...
22:52:07amiconnVol+ goes up, Vol- goes down. And due to the position the rocker switch is located at it feels quite natural to have it that way. It's almost like spinning a scroll wheel
22:53:27lolmausAny horisontal jog dial on any device has left for up and right for down :)
22:53:40lolmausWell okay, i'll stick to original firmware then
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22:55:41pixelmawell user's convenience is a question for some more people, not just one or two. You can't do it right for everyone...
22:57:36pixelmasomehow the English doesn't sound right but I hope it
22:57:38amiconnThat does make sense if it's at the top left, or on the bottom right. It doesn't make sense if it's at the top right or the bottom left
22:57:40pixelma's understood
22:58:44amiconnThe iaudio OF has it that way even though that rocker is at the bottom left, and I was very confused when I tried it for the first time
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23:07:31preglowanyone here knowledgeable with the portalplayer sd driver?
23:09:53EvilnickAny Gigabeast experts around?
23:12:42Nico_PEvilnick: I wouldn't say I'm an expert, but I could be of help :)
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23:12:56EvilnickI'm trying to use the recovery (patched GB V) from the wiki
23:14:07EvilnickAnd when I have the beast plugged into both AC power and the PC, the recovery program does it's thing,then shows a red X over the PC connection and the bottom right corner says "not connected"
23:14:31EvilnickIt appears to be connected initially, but when it tried to write to the disk, then that
23:14:42ReemoHmm
23:14:47Evilnick's when the problem occurs (apols for errant enter key)
23:14:47Reemowhere's iAmp.rpws gone?
23:15:20Nico_PEvilnick: sorry, I don't know much about the patched V updater
23:15:40Nico_Pthe only time I tried to use it, I couldn't get it to work either
23:16:01EvilnickDarn! I'm convinced that it's to do with the HDD, I'm trying to upgrade to the Samsung 120GB-er
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23:16:11EvilnickIs there another way of doing this?
23:17:14Nico_Punder windows it's not really easy
23:17:24Nico_Plinux is better for that
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23:17:48EvilnickI could always venture into linux
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23:23:26BigBambiEvilnick: I don't know from Windows, but I upgraded my beast to a 120 GB disk from linux using sendfirm and nk.bin, and it worked perfectly
23:24:02pixelmaReemo: what revision exactly are you running and which target?
23:24:22Reemoaehm... daily from yesterday, target is iAudio X5
23:24:59pixelmaeh? I thought iAmp only had a rwps version for the iriver remotes
23:25:52ReemoThemes like HiPod etc seem to rely on iAmp.rwps...
23:28:00pixelmaHiPod theme? Is that an H100 one?
23:28:12Reemorockbox-themes list them on X5 as a Port...
23:28:44EvilnickBigBambi: Thanks. I might have to give that a whirl soon
23:29:10BigBambiEvilnick: The windows install at the moment is just, urgh :)
23:29:46PaulJam_Reemo: the author propably just copied the .cfg from the iriver version. it should be save to just ignore that.
23:29:52EvilnickBigBambi: Yep. But now I need to burn an ISO and install linux for the pleasure of this!
23:29:59ReemoI work out my own theme now
23:30:03Reemowithout dependencies, CCC...
23:31:38EvilnickBigBambi: Does the sendfirm program work when the gigabeat is saying "1.Connect the PMC to a PC"? Or do I need to have the OF running properly?
23:31:50*Evilnick crosses fingers
23:32:15BigBambiEvilnick: Yes, it'll work fine in recovery mode
23:32:29EvilnickCool - back when I'm in linux then
23:32:35EvilnickThanks for the help
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23:33:23pixelmajust checked, there is no irver version of the theme (but the author still might copied some other theme with an rwps). And I also checked that there is no iAmp version for the Iaudio remote in SVN
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23:35:30PaulJam_pixelma: iAmp.160x128x1.wps isn't that the h100 resolution?
23:36:34pixelmaI meant that there is no HiPod theme for the H100 (which I thought could be because the X5 screen is also 160x128 as the H100, just colour)
23:37:46PaulJam_ah, yes. it's probably too late for me to think correctly.
23:39:12pixelmawell, I wasn't very clear - lack of sleep here too
23:40:39*Nico_P 's fix for FS #8977 has horrible side effects
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23:48:26ReemoIs there any plan of integrating JPEG on core level so you can use embed Art etc.?
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23:50:24Nico_PReemo: only vague plans... noone seems to intend doing it for now
23:50:32Reemois there a reason?
23:50:47ReemoI mean, Rockbox has the potential of being a real alternative firmware even for unknown users
23:50:48Nico_Pnot enough motivation from devs?
23:50:58Reemounkown => unskilled
23:51:06Reemo:)
23:51:14Nico_Pfeatures require developer time and motivation
23:51:26Nico_PJPEG AA is not something many devs use
23:51:41ReemoAA?
23:51:49Nico_Palbum art
23:52:08Reemoah
23:52:49Nico_Palso I think the current focus is rather on bugfixing
23:54:09ReemoI'd love to participate
23:54:27Nico_Pyou're welcome to :)
23:54:46ReemoI got basic skills in C, lets see
23:54:57ReemoUsability is a great topic ;)
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