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#rockbox log for 2008-07-01

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00:24:54tlhiv_laptopis there a way to backup the original firmware before installing rockbox?
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00:26:05advcomp2019tlhiv_laptop, what player are you talking about.. most of them you can redownload the firmware for
00:26:20tlhiv_laptopSandisk e250
00:26:23tlhiv_laptopSansa
00:26:56xxbatman94xxhey does anyone know if the current build for the ipod photo is still bugged
00:27:22advcomp2019do not worry.. you can redownload the firmware off of rockbox or many other site
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00:29:25tlhiv_laptopadvcomp2019: i know you probably don't have this specific model, but you would think that rockbox would be "better" than most default firmwares, esp. for the Sandisk Sansa e250?
00:30:26advcomp2019i have a sansa e280r and i like rockbox more then the OF
00:30:39MarcGuaytlhiv_laptop: It's harmless to try it. You might want to read this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox.
00:30:55tlhiv_laptopMarcGuay: thanks ... reading now
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00:31:15soapthere is no need to "back up" the original firmware, as it is not removed. tlhiv_laptop - Rockbox modifies the Sansa bootloader (the bit of code which launches the Sansa original firmware) so that Rockbox loads by default instead of the original firmware (OF). All you need to do is remove the Rockbox bootloader and your player will behave as it did when stock.
00:31:48tlhiv_laptopsoap: beautiful
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00:32:45MarcGuaytlhiv_laptop: It's also possible to dual boot so you can choose which one you want to use every time you turn it on.
00:32:53tlhiv_laptopi have never had an portable "mp3 player" and i'm a tech geek ... i just bought the e250 for my car, and i feel like i'm finally entering the 21st century
00:33:07tlhiv_laptopMarcGuay: cool
00:33:18soapjust to be sure, tlhiv_laptop... you do have the first generation e250?
00:33:19tlhiv_laptopdoesn't use GRUB does it ;)
00:33:21MarcGuaytlhiv_laptop: I finally dumped the backpack-full-of-CDs look last fall, myself.
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00:33:38tlhiv_laptopsoap: i haven't received it yet −−> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855125011
00:33:57advcomp2019tlhiv_laptop, it could be a v2
00:34:19tlhiv_laptopMarcGuay: well i just didn't listen to much but talk radio in the car ... but the kids are constantly bothering me about music in the car ;)
00:34:27soapWithout following that link, unless it is refurbished the odds are very strong it is NOT a V1 e200
00:34:37tlhiv_laptopso i rewired my car stereo to provide an aux. input and removed my tape
00:35:04tlhiv_laptopnot being a v1 means what, specifically?
00:35:05advcomp2019tlhiv_laptop, one thing that gives it away is "Supports microSD and microSDHC cards"
00:35:08tlhiv_laptopthat rockbox won't work?
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00:35:26MarcGuaytlhiv_laptop: Correct.
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00:35:37soaptlhiv_laptop, not being a version 1 (V1) means that it is completely different hardware than the original e200 and not hardware on which Rockbox currently runs.
00:35:40tlhiv_laptopyikes ... any plans for support?
00:35:43MarcGuaytlhiv_laptop: Have you ordered it already?
00:35:55tlhiv_laptopyes ... earlier today ... already shipped
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00:36:05tlhiv_laptopmight even be here as early as tomorrow but more likely in 2 days
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00:36:34MarcGuaytlhiv_laptop: There's a thread in the forums to discuss hacking it if you want to help out.
00:36:55*Nico_P has a preliminary fix for FS #8999
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00:38:24MarcGuaytlhiv_laptop: In case you have trouble finding it: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0.
00:38:44tlhiv_laptopi'll read through this thread now
00:39:46tlhiv_laptopi did read on the customer reviews at Newegg that several said they were using Rockbox
00:40:21krazykittlhiv_laptop, yes, but it's a silent upgrade; ordering new may still give you a v2
00:40:49tlhiv_laptopit's probably "surely" instead of "may" ;)
00:41:28advcomp2019most new ones are v2 unless they have some hidden somewhere
00:41:56tlhiv_laptopsince it will be exclusively for the car, i really need an interface that can be navigated easily while driving
00:42:01tlhiv_laptopOF or rockbox
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00:43:55conleyI have a gigabeatS and I'm installing rockbox. I just used the sendfirm utility and it sort of worked but I got several errors like: usb_clear_halt() on INTERRUPT endpoint: Protocol error
00:44:26conleyalso, the gigabeat says: "firmware update or restoration required. Please wait."
00:44:44conleyCan anyone help? Should I really wait? Nothing is happening.
00:45:20Nico_Pconley: the errors at the end of the sendfirm process are normal
00:45:42conleythanks, are you familiar with the message on the gigabeat?
00:45:44Nico_Pthey appear because the device restarts abruptly
00:45:53conleyand are you familiar with the S
00:46:03Nico_Pis there a triangle with an error code in it?
00:46:08conleyyes, 3
00:46:09Nico_Pi.e. a number
00:46:30Nico_PIIRC that means you need to connect the gigabeat and use sendfirm again
00:47:04conleyok, it's been connected the whole time...should I unconnect and reconnect, and try again?
00:47:12conleyor just leave it like it is and try again?
00:47:32Nico_Pdisconnect it, then reconnect it and send the firmware again
00:47:36Nico_Pit should restart and boot
00:47:41conleyok, should I turn it off or anything?
00:47:47Nico_Pno need
00:47:53Nico_Pit would just go back to that screen
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00:49:04tlhiv_laptopkrazykit: how will i know when i receive it whether it's v1 or v2?
00:49:07conleyI can't seem to get it to go off that screen
00:49:13conleyit won't turn off or anything
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00:49:21krazykittlhiv_laptop, you'll turn it on and check the firmware version
00:49:28tlhiv_laptop;)
00:49:55soapIf it is a V1 I'll eat krazykit's hat.
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00:50:10Nico_Pconley: even with sendfirm?
00:50:37Nico_Pthen try rebooting
00:50:38conleyyea, I ran the command again, it says there's no device to connect to...
00:50:53tlhiv_laptopwell it'll be a couple of days, but we'll see
00:50:57Nico_Pconley: that's because you need to disconnect and reconnect
00:51:00tlhiv_laptopeither way, for $33, i can't complain
00:51:05conleyNico_P: I did
00:51:11Nico_Pah, then maybe try rebooting
00:51:19conleyrebooting what?
00:51:22conleythe gigabeat?
00:51:24Nico_Pthe S
00:51:25Nico_Pyes
00:51:26conleyit won't turn off
00:51:32Nico_Puse the battery switch
00:51:39conleyk
00:51:49conley(forgot about that...I don't use this thing)
00:52:06conley(I've been hanging out on #gigabeat for a year and a half waiting to use rockbox on it)
00:52:11Nico_Pyou'll need it if you start messing with rockbox on the S, it's still an early port ;)
00:52:13MU{lappy}you can't really turn OF "off"
00:52:30MU{lappy}except via the battery switch
00:52:40MU{lappy}also, it needs to boot OF to charge
00:53:22conleyI rebooted, it went to the same error screen, I connected and sendfirm is telling me there are no devices
00:53:41MU{lappy}iirc error #3 is the reformat one?
00:53:48conleyah, although the error code is 2 now
00:53:51MU{lappy}i believe it goes through several steps
00:53:56Nico_Pconley: you need to wait for a bit
00:54:05Nico_Pwait until it tells you to connect it
00:54:09conleyok
00:54:09MU{lappy}yeah, it won't work w/ sendfirm until it *tells* you to connect it and update firmware
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00:54:43MU{lappy}and in my experience, after a reformat it will also not boot rockbox w/ the bootloader "file not found" error until it's been synced w/ WMP :/
00:54:45conleyit gave me error code 2 "Update or restore ...using PC..."
00:54:52conleyshould I do it now?
00:54:59conleyah, ok I should
00:55:06MU{lappy}conley: if it's telling you to, yeah, that's when.
00:55:24conleyaha, it's working.....or was....now there's nothing
00:55:32MU{lappy}"nothing"?
00:55:38conleyblack screen
00:55:44conleylike it's turned off or something
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00:55:56conleythere was small white text saying something on black
00:55:58MU{lappy}lol, vi humor ;)
00:56:08conleyin my joy, I didn't see what it said
00:56:17MU{lappy}oh, oh, is it still plugged in?
00:56:20conleyclicked the power butten again
00:56:24conleyyea, it is
00:56:25MU{lappy}i think that may not be an error at all
00:56:26conleycan it not be?
00:56:36conleyshould I unplug it?
00:56:48conleythe white text said "bootloader usb mode"
00:56:48MU{lappy}push anything, d-pad should work, and see if you see anything on the screen then
00:57:02conleyyea, I do
00:57:03Nico_Pis the hols switch on?
00:57:04MU{lappy}yeah, it'll sleep the display after a bit in bootloader usb mode
00:57:09conleyit just says bootloader usb mode
00:57:19Nico_Pis usb still connected?
00:57:21conleyyes
00:57:24MU{lappy}conley: yeah, it'll try to boot rockbox if you unplug it ;D
00:57:25conleydisconnect?
00:57:26Nico_Pthen that's why
00:57:46Nico_Pdisconnect it qnd it should attempt to boot
00:57:58conleyblah, error #3 again
00:58:02Nico_P:/
00:58:18*Nico_P has to reset his internet connection, back in a sec
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00:58:54MU{lappy}that's... odd. almost like something messed up the drive contents after the first restore finished :/
00:59:07MU{lappy}ok, i need to be family dude now. later.
00:59:18conleywhen I disconnected, it said "file not found"
00:59:22conleybye
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01:01:14conleyerror #1 now....have I hit them all yet?
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01:38:35MarcGuaykugel: Are you involved with the BMP-resize patch?
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01:47:51MU{lappy}conley: no, you're missing #5, which afaict is HDD failure, or failure to communicate w/ the HDD
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01:49:02MU{lappy}"file not found" means either that rockbox is not installed (ie only installed bootloader) or that for some reason rb bootloader can't read the .rockbox dir. it might do to run a filesystem check while in USB bootloader mode, but my file not found errors only ever seemed to clear by syncing via WMP.
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01:52:02kugelMarcGuay: Yea, a bit
01:52:44kugelMarcGuay: Why are you asking?
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03:16:38assumedalivehi everyone, this is just a niggling issue i've had_forever_ with rockbox on 5.5g ipods - sometimes, about every 1/3 of the time, it won't turn on by pressing the menu button. occasionally it flashes a battery icon extremely briefly. it always turns on properly after holding down menu/select to reset it
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03:17:28assumedaliveive had this issue for over a year, when i asked about it originally there wasn't a fix
03:17:35assumedalivei just wanted to know if that had changed
03:17:49assumedalive(yes i am using the latest version)
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03:25:04JdGordonMarcGuay: hey, you round?
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03:27:37JdGordonMarcGuay: so i dont forget later.... can you not link to that "ready to commit blaa" thread please? the syntax in the first post is wrong.. please link to the wiki instead
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04:12:12xxbatman94xxhey does anyone kno if the current build is still buggy? for the ipod photo
04:12:21xxbatman94xxerm bugged
04:13:33JdGordonnothing ha been commited towards fixing it yet....
04:13:44xxbatman94xxokay thxs
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06:03:26DangalarioHi Is there any unsupported rockbox for v2?
06:03:31Dangalariosansa
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06:18:23advcomp2019Dangalario, you need to read the forums for info on the sansa v2
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06:23:48fox_im looking for a status on the current build of the Gigabeat S port. All the information i'm finding seems to be at least a year old
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06:43:23MarcGuaykugel: It's something I'd like to see in SVN and was just wondering what's holding it back from inclusion.
06:43:32MarcGuayJdGordon: No problem.
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07:46:17houbysofthi. Hey could someone please help me? I want to convert videos for playing them on my iPod nano, so I created a shell script that uses ffmpeg. It worked fine on windows, but now I'm in ubuntu, and if I launch it it tells me "Unknown codec : libmp3lame". I tried also the mp3 codec, didn't work. How do I install that codec? thnx
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07:56:16J-23houbysoft: hmm.
07:56:26J-23have you installed lame?
07:56:53houbysoftsudo apt-get install lame?
07:57:18houbysoftnow installing
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07:59:54houbysofthm.. still says unknown codec :(
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08:00:31houbysoftJ-23 : still says unknown codec
08:01:42J-23try mp3
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08:04:42houbysoftJ-23 : says unsupported codec for output stream
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08:05:25J-23;/
08:05:43J-23so you need to wait for somebody who better knows ffmpeg
08:07:28J-23or to ask at #ffmpeg
08:08:29houbysoftok
08:08:33houbysoftthnx anyways
08:13:12GodEateror better still, ask in #ubuntu
08:14:31houbysoftok
08:14:40houbysoftnoone answers at ffmpeg :D
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08:56:34JdGordonanyone know who our ac3 "maintaner" is?
08:57:15BagderrLear
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08:57:32BagderrI think
08:58:05JdGordonthere are 2 (i thought more) ac3 bugs in the tracker which would be nice to have fixed or closed before a release...
08:58:19JdGordonor at least looked at
08:59:21LloreanGo ahead and put "Due in 3.0" on them.
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09:00:00LloreanFor now that can be a way to nominate them for special interest at least, and then we can decide on priorities for everything anyone things should be due in it.
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09:00:48JdGordonwell.. they arent showstopper...
09:02:30LloreanYeah, but "Due in 3.0" should be everything we want to see fixed in 3.0
09:02:34Llorean"Critical" can be showstoppers
09:02:46LloreanAnd the other priorities can just be sorted out later.
09:03:15LloreanThe plus side of that is that everything marked as "Due in 3.0" will help make it easier to create a KNOWN_ISSUES list
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09:06:21markunLlorean: can you create the new forum section for feature requests/discussions?
09:07:45LloreanAre we using a forum section?
09:08:46JdGordonwe should...
09:08:48markunor add it to "Rockbox Development"?
09:09:03markunwell, I don't know
09:09:22JdGordonyeah, bung it above "getting started"
09:09:46JdGordonthe forum, not the installation section
09:10:22LloreanI was gonna put it before WPS/Customization
09:10:25LloreanAs "Feature Ideas"
09:10:35LloreanIf something's actually being _developed_ it should go on the patch tracker and be discussed there
09:10:56markunalso sounds good
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09:11:14LloreanAnd "Feature Ideas" rather than "Feature Requests" helps keep it clear it's just talk, and not to expect anything of it.
09:11:37JdGordonisnt that section more for support?
09:11:42JdGordonfor sure
09:12:21JdGordonwith a nice sticky saying "developrs arnt nessacarily watching this section... if you see something you like the fastest way to get it done is do it yourself"
09:12:55LloreanDone
09:13:00JdGordonI like it next to new ports because both are more for possible development, not for actual development
09:13:18LloreanNew Ports should have actual development discussion though
09:13:24Llorean"Feature Ideas" should be a "just talk" forum.
09:13:36LloreanMuch less "serious" in my mind, since 95% of it will probably be ignored by nearly everyone.
09:14:06LloreanThere's going to be a _lot_ of "Genesis emulator" "Toaster Emulator" etc.
09:14:15JdGordonI guess it will be the same as new ports where once something starts working on the port it does turn into a real dev thread
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09:14:27LloreanIt shouldn't ever turn into a dev thread
09:14:31LloreanOnce work starts, they can post a patch.
09:14:43LloreanAnd development discussion should take place on the tracker for the patch.
09:15:00JdGordonno... once there is a patch that is almost commitable it shuold be posted... not before
09:15:23JdGordondepending on the activity, it might help to add a sticky for common requests there also
09:15:23LloreanI dunno about that.
09:15:51LloreanI mean, there's some plugins that have a lot of work left to be done (the infoNES port for example) but still should be up there in case someone else can work on it.
09:16:08LloreanIt defeats the purpose of having a patch tracker if we ask people not to post to it until after the patch is "finished" or "nearly finished"
09:17:02JdGordonwell... it would be nicer if the tracker was really only used for people to put patches that are ready to commit... we would have less to look through then
09:17:25Bagderrwe could use some of the options to better signal "done" to us
09:17:28JdGordononce its on the tracker it would get more attention from us
09:17:29BagderrI mean some of the fields
09:17:31LloreanYeah
09:17:35LloreanA "done" signal would be great
09:17:54LloreanYou can mark a task as X% complete can't you?
09:17:55JdGordonLlorean: by "done" i mean, it works and is ready for review...
09:17:59LloreanJdGordon: Exactly
09:18:30LloreanPatches can be posted in any state, and somehow we let the author flag a patch he feels is "committable" so that someone who just wants to review nearly done ones can find them better.
09:18:31JdGordonso prelim testing would stay with interested users in the forum thread
09:18:49LloreanThat's useless.
09:19:00LloreanIf you suggest that, it's just going to split things more.
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09:19:34*GodEater doesn't really understand alex's issues with the command line version of rbutil
09:19:43GodEatersurely if he doesn't like it, he doesn't have to use it ?
09:19:44LloreanThe patch tracker has a lot of organizational options a forum doesn't
09:19:54GodEaterand what on EARTH does he mean by "braile input" ?!
09:19:58LloreanGodEater: Well, it's going to get more usability focus than the GUI version.
09:20:05LloreanBut I suspect that he hasn't tried it.
09:20:15LloreanAnd I have no idea about the braille input talk.
09:20:26pixelmaLlorean: welcome back. Have you seen this thread http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17458.0 ?
09:20:29GodEaterI've never heard of braille input
09:20:45Lloreanpixelma: Yes.
09:20:51LloreanHaven't been able to test mine further.
09:21:06pixelmaI see
09:21:17markunGodEater: which thread?
09:21:26JdGordonLlorean: hmm, I guess your right.. its just there are 313 open patches atm, probably 75% are abandoned.. if they were all in the forum we wouldnt have to care about them
09:21:45Lloreanpixelma: Once I've slept finally, I'd like to see if maybe I can track down a revision.
09:22:12LloreanJdGordon: Yeah, but we don't have to care about them there either, if we have a "It's nearly done" flag.
09:22:22GodEatermarkun: it's on the mailing list
09:22:28Dangalariowhat would the benefits be with rockbox on sansa v2? better emulation for gameboy?
09:22:36GodEaterthe dev one I would imagine since I don't subscribe to the user one
09:22:37pixelmaLlorean: I can definitely understand that
09:22:46BagderrDangalario: a much better player
09:22:50LloreanDangalario: I don't understand the question. The benefits would be the usual "you get the features of Rockbxo"
09:23:14Dangalarioyea but i mean functionality-wize
09:23:24Lloreanpixelma: I don't know if it's good or bad that someone else has the problem. It's good, my player isn't broken. It's bad, we have another obscure bug.
09:23:27BagderrDangalario: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox
09:23:33JdGordonLlorean: seems I cant edit your post.. can you add "also bare in mind we have a NODO list which you should check before possibly wasting time on a patch which we guarenteee will not be commited"
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09:24:07Dangalarioi had rockbox on a v1 sansa 260 but it was stolen , gameboy emulation was choppy
09:24:07LloreanJdGordon: Okay
09:24:07pixelmaLlorean: yeah, unfortunately. And the Nanos again...
09:24:15Lloreanpixelma: Maybe even the same issue manifesting differently
09:24:29B4gderDangalario: what's your point? that gameboy emulation is all you miss on the v2?
09:24:44JdGordonB4gder: and doom...
09:24:52pixelmaDangalario: is the question rather which of the 2 version have better hardware?
09:24:56Dangalariojust wondered if v2 hardweare is fast enough to speed up that
09:25:03B4gderthe v2 is faster
09:25:24B4gderso it should play gameboy and doom better
09:25:30B4gdernow we just need the port to happen
09:25:32Dangalariosweet :D
09:25:33LloreanJdGordon: Updated
09:26:06JdGordonmuch better than what I suggested :)
09:26:45Dangalariobut the sansa v2 firmware looks exactly like the v1 mayhaps its a port of sansa v1 cause its notably faster
09:26:46JdGordonAPE tags in mp3 files should go on the NODO list yeah?
09:27:10B4gderDangalario: well, we don't really care about the OF
09:29:27LloreanJdGordon: Probably
09:29:28markunDangalario: the software might look the same, but the hardware is different
09:29:59markunDangalario: here's some discussion about it http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0
09:30:06Dangalariothanx
09:30:08B4gderpretty much like Rockbox actually
09:30:15B4gderlooks similar on most hw
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09:30:56Dangalariooh
09:31:30hasmindIs there any chance that I could remodel the look of the rockbox.org webpage?
09:31:40hasmindit looks like it was designed in the 90s
09:31:55Dangalarioolympus mrobe has no colours right?
09:32:00B4gderhasmind: feel free to suggest new designs, yes
09:32:26hasmindcould I make a prototype and send it in?
09:32:30GodEaterhasmind: There's a thread in the forums somewhere where some new designs were submitted already - perhaps you should take a look at it
09:32:35B4gderhasmind: sure
09:32:47hasmindok, I'll check it out
09:33:12B4gderyes, there are probably a few hints in there already that are useful to read up on first
09:33:57GodEaterhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12607.0 <−− thread in question
09:37:39*Llorean did not realize 8977 was fixed
09:38:00B4gdernico_p is scary :-)
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09:38:24LloreanThose were our two critical release blockers (assuming some "related" bugs are really related)
09:38:27JdGordonyep
09:38:45pixelmaDangalario: there are two M:Robes Rockbox has a port for (in different states though). The M:robe100 is quite usable already and even has a manual, this one has a monochrome, red on black display. And then there is a started port to the M:Robe500 which is not that far, this one has a colour touch screen
09:38:47JdGordonnow all we need is the RSB and a RM
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09:39:14JdGordonpixelma: well.. the only thing missing from hthe mr500 is audio :p
09:40:39pixelmano biggie then ;)
09:40:40LloreanJdGordon: well we have a schedule for the RSB
09:40:46B4gderhaving audio in a music player is soooooo 90s anyway
09:40:49LloreanAnd maybe we can squeeze in a tracker cleanup week soon.
09:41:42markunwill the documentation cleanup week be a different one?
09:41:57B4gderI think we should do them separately
09:42:08B4gderfor better focus
09:42:36JdGordonare the same people going to do both?
09:42:55B4gderhopefully a lot of us will join both efforts, yes
09:42:59LloreanIt's more a "we ask everyone to do both, and hope there's some overlap"
09:45:05JdGordon4 weeks untill a RSB, 2 after that to cleanups? late august release before summer ends?
09:45:15*petur discovers his last video made it into http://www.dailymotion.com/group/RockboxDevcon2008
09:46:59pixelmabtw. what about the Ipod Color issue - just leave them out of the release in case the bug hasn't been fixed yet?
09:47:09B4gderwe can do the cleanups before the RSB
09:47:28Lloreanpixelma: Well, there's a hackish way we can fix it, if I understand correctly
09:47:33LloreanNot a "proper" fix, but an "it works" fix.
09:47:49hasmindIf I wanted to get to know the rockbox firmware, where would I start?
09:48:16pixelmaLlorean: I'm not sure whether it'll break on some other type of LCDs (with certain OF versions) etc.
09:48:23B4gderI think I'll need to make some sort of official document about the RSB idea and concept...
09:48:27JdGordonhasmind: offering it a beer usually works
09:48:28Lloreanpixelma: We talked some in the corner at DevCon and seem to agree that for the release, we can branch and pave over some of the bugs with non-ideal fixes (that don't come back into the main version) if absolutely necessary.
09:48:39LloreanBut of course it does need tested.
09:48:50Lloreanhasmind: Programming or Use?
09:48:52hasmindJdGordon: It said it only likes margaritas
09:48:58hasmindProgramming
09:49:33Lloreanhasmind: A good place to start is just toying with plugin creation, since you're working in a more limited context.
09:49:54hasmindI screwed around with chopper a few ages ago..
09:50:06hasmindand had it compiled virtually
09:50:33hasmind(or compiled to run on the pc, as a virtual ipod...whatever)
09:54:03PaulJamconecerning the g4 color LCD issue, wouldn't it be good to just commit the fix and watch out for complaints of users with a different LCD type instead of waiting a long time until someone with the other LCD type tests the patch?
09:54:22LloreanPaulJam: The fix is the wrong one, technically speaking, if I understand correctly
09:55:12PaulJamhmm, is it? *goes to read the task again*
09:57:15B4gderok I made an intial RSB page at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxSteeringBoard
09:57:49LloreanPaulJam: I may be wrong, I'm just relaying here.
09:57:56pixelmaPaulJam: I think the one forum thread has more information about it than the task
09:57:58*preglow is reminded about the need to nominate
09:58:28LloreanPaulJam: I personally don't know what's wrong with the patch (if anything)
09:59:22JdGordonB4gder: one thing that hasnt been mentioned at all (i think) is what to do if someone on the board needs to "retire" for whatever reason...
09:59:32B4gderah right
09:59:47B4gderLlorean and I talked about that a bit too
09:59:54preglowrunner ups should be invited in?
09:59:55pixelmaLlorean: if I understand correctly the fix should be in the lcd init and not in which endianness Rockbox uses for RGB
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10:00:05B4gderyes, runner ups will then be invited as replacements
10:00:12preglowsounds reasonable
10:01:15Lloreanpixelma: The patch says it initializes the LCD to the right endianness.
10:03:53pixelmabut it only changes defines a different "pixelformat" in the firmware/export/config file and tools/configure
10:03:59LloreanAaah
10:04:03pixelmas/changes//
10:04:15LloreanYeah that's not exactly initializing the LCD to a different mode.
10:04:17JdGordonB4gder: sorry, but payback for the typo jokes... "who get to join" ? :)
10:05:37JdGordonand last thing before I go for dinner... the rsb scope should be written down somewhere...
10:06:03JdGordonor maybe the purpose is good enough
10:06:40pixelmaLlorean, PaulJam: this is the post has some important info (me thinks) http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17158.msg127519#msg127519 . I think the patch only does the "first thing to test"
10:07:20*pixelma shouldn't start sentences in one way and then think about another
10:09:19LloreanYeah, so it'll just swap which ones aren't working.
10:10:05pixelmathe next post of linuxstb below is quite interesting too
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10:17:21PaulJamHmm, honestly i'm not really sure i understand the whole issue anyway. if i understand it correctly the original problem were because the original issue was, that one user experienced LCD issues because he used an old apple firmware, but then the blind added code from ipl broke it for everyone using a later apple firmware. so wouldn't the correct fix be to revert the ipl changes and instead do the lcd nitialisation the same way the later apple firmw
10:17:21PaulJamares did (and until this is figured out tell people to update the OF if they experience problems).
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10:18:36pixelmamaybe yes and this is how I understand it too
10:19:28pixelmatelling people to update the OF before they can use Rockbox isn't I nice thing though
10:20:22pixelmas/I/a
10:20:56JdGordonshouldnt we be initialising the LCD the way we expect it?
10:21:31JdGordonregardless of OF or lcd type?
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10:24:05pixelmaseems that something still relies on the OF there and "someone" needs to find the init sequence and implement it for Rockbox
10:24:35*B4gder looks around for someone
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10:32:14preglowanyone familiar with how to make wlan behave? :/
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10:36:07JdGordonhmm... rereading that post... I'm agreeing with whoever said revert the change... if someone really wants to use OF 1.0 isnt it initiing it correctly for its use?
10:38:33Zagorhas anyone gotten blank pages in wiki today?
10:38:54*JdGordon has
10:39:06*JdGordon double checks
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10:39:35JdGordonyep, the "tasks I watch" saved search gives me a blank page
10:39:52pixelmain the wiki?
10:40:00JdGordonmisread
10:40:09JdGordonfor some reason I read tracker
10:40:39JdGordonZagor: there is still a link to the reqeusst on the tracker quick links? Is that going to disappear also?
10:40:58Zagorah, yes
10:41:33wpyhshould we have a WebsiteIssues and TrackerIssues page in the wiki, to track these issues?
10:42:06wpyhJdGordon: for me, it gives me the tasks I watch
10:42:13Zagordone
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10:42:37wpyhZagor: are you the website/tracker admin
10:42:43*wpyh missed a ?
10:42:44Zagorwpyh: there is a flyspray bug about flyspray
10:42:47Zagoryes
10:42:58wpyhhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/ gives me a blank page
10:42:59JdGordonwpyh: can you paste the link? I think i remember accidently deleting it and remaking it manually which might be why its broken
10:43:13wpyhwhich bug number is it?
10:43:22wpyhJdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?do=index&only_watched=1&string=&type[]=&sev[]=&due[]=&dev=&cat[]=&status[]=open&order=&sort=&percent[]=&opened=&search_in_comments=&search_for_all=&reported[]=&only_primary=
10:43:30Zagorwpyh: 7194
10:44:26wpyhthanks, I'll watch the task :)
10:50:59JdGordondoes anyone have a .cue that definatly works?
10:52:11scorche|shZagor: in cgi:irc, i only see "webguest??" being generated for the nick
10:53:33Zagorscorche|sh: as opposed to?
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10:54:56peturthere used to be a two digit number there
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10:56:09scorche|shZagor: it was a randomly generated two-digit number
10:56:14Zagorbut those ?? get replaced with a number when you connect, don't they?
10:56:26*petur tries
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10:56:43webguest71indeed
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10:57:39peturI thought the name was fully generated before joining, but I can see this way is safer
10:57:48scorche|shpetur: same
10:58:03ZagorI think it has been like this for quite some time, actually :-)
10:58:29peturActually I think not, but the discussion is pointless, it works ;)
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11:24:33JdGordonNico_P: do you see anything fishy about this cuesheet which would cause problems? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9083?getfile=16893
11:24:56JdGordonoh, ignore that... youve commented on the task already
11:25:35Nico_Pto me it seems like the reporter misuderstands how it works
11:25:50Nico_Pbut *I* might be the one misunderstanding
11:26:01JdGordonlooks like I also misunderstood how to use it
11:32:39pixelmaI believe there is a section about it in the manual...
11:45:30preglowwhy, oh why doesn't technology cooperate with me?
11:45:51*preglow considers gardening as a new hobby
11:46:07peturor brewing beer?
11:46:13preglowalready doing that :)
11:46:18peturoh
11:46:38*petur waits for the invitation to go tasting
11:47:03preglowi've got approximately one bottle left of my last brew, and i've already more or less given that away
11:47:13preglowbut you can be sure i'll bring some along if we ever meet :)
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11:51:06*ze casually wonders what % of free software users/devs also homebrew and if its higher than other groups :p
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12:01:31assumedalivehi everyone, this is just a niggling issue i've had_forever_ with rockbox on 5.5g ipods - sometimes, about every 1/3 of the time, it won't turn on by pressing the menu button. occasionally it flashes a battery icon extremely briefly. it always turns on properly after holding down menu/select to reset it. ive had this issue for over a year, when i asked about it originally there wasn't a fix, i just wanted to know if that had
12:02:13preglowif i didn't use screen, i'd be running naked around on the grass outside, screaming something about cabling
12:02:20Nico_Ppreglow: I don't know whether insane is a symptom, but some claim to have headaches and skinburns from wlan
12:03:09preglowNico_P: so perhaps i've gone insane from the radiation and am in fact sabotaging my own wlan without remembering it? :P
12:03:23PaulJamassumedalive: your messacge got cut after "to know if that ha"
12:03:33zepreglow: i bought a router specifically to use as a WDS client to get rid of a cable run
12:03:41zepreglow: after a couple weeks, i ended up plugging the cable into it :p
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12:04:06zebeen that way ever since :/
12:04:35assumedalivePaulJam: thanks, ill try again :-)
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12:05:09assumedalivethis is just a niggling issue i've had_forever_ with rockbox on 5.5g ipods - sometimes, about every 1/3 of the time, it won't turn on by pressing the menu button. occasionally it flashes a battery icon extremely briefly. it always turns on properly after holding down menu/select to reset it.
12:05:12assumedalive ive had this issue for over a year, when i asked about it originally there wasn't a fix, i just wanted to know if that had changed (yes i am using the latest version)
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12:05:59Nico_PPaulJam: just saw your bugreport (FS #9137)... sounds like the resurrection of an old bug. I'll try to repro
12:06:58pixelmaassumedalive: I believe that's a bug in the Apple firmware so nothing Rockbox can do something about that hits more often with Rockbox since it will switch off the Ipod completely in contrast to the Apple firmware which just "sleeps" it. There are a few discussions about it in the forums
12:07:41PaulJamisn't that an issue with the apple bootloader and rockbox can't really do anything about that? (or am i mixing up something there?)
12:08:06PaulJamoops, i actually wanted to hit backspace.
12:08:16assumedalivepixelma: aah ok...
12:08:36assumedalivepixelma: i dont suppose apple have bothered releasing a newer, fixed version have they?
12:08:48pixelmaPaulJam: at least now we are two who believe it :)
12:09:23pixelmaassumedalive: don't think so, but have no idea (don't even have an Ipod...)
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12:11:33JdGordonon that topic... anyone else think we should think about sleeping instead of shutting down? those that dont want the battery hit can do a proper shutdown
12:17:14Nico_PJdGordon: I think amiconn has plans about that
12:17:34Nico_PI remember him saying it requires quite some work
12:17:38assumedaliveI would have imagined that if a sleep mode was that easy it would already be implemented?
12:18:07assumedalivei remember watching a presentation on suspend and hibernation in the linux kernel and it looked horrific
12:18:10pixelmaat least the 1st and 2nd gen Ipods need the suspend mode as they can't be switched off completely
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12:51:34JdGordonjhMikeS: hey, any chance you could have a look at fixing 7402?
12:53:59jhMikeSI don't know. I could look at 7402 first. :)
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12:56:17jhMikeSThe abort bug should have been fixed after the PCM rework. This task seems to now be another matter altogether where the audio codec driver just need to be properly reworked.
12:56:28_vertic23hey you... I (still) got a problem with my cowon iAudio X5V - it doesnot recharge any anymore - only over USB :/ I read it could be that the battery is "damaged" or in some undefined state - but it's strange that it works over USB - and the battery lasts imho even longer than before
12:57:02jhMikeSJdGordon: The H10 already got fixed in that regard since I have one and could check it.
12:57:30_vertic23have you any experience with that? all posts in the forum say that my battery is damaged... I don't think so
12:57:37JdGordonoh, so it might be closable?
12:57:44JdGordonor does each target need seperate fixing?
12:58:14jhMikeSJdGordon: For the remaining issue: HINT - the audio driver simply shuts all the power down on the chip when closing recording
12:58:35JdGordone200 works fine
12:58:43jhMikeSdifferent codec
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12:59:33markun_vertic23: doesn't sound like a broken battery to me either then
12:59:43jhMikeSThe problem is in the wolfson-with-ADC drivers except wm8731
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13:01:36jhMikeSafaict any task relating to aborts after recording should be closed and the remaing issue opened separately
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13:02:58LTouristhi there :)
13:03:17markunhi LTourist
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13:04:29markunLTourist: we were able to change the firmware and flash it, but so far my test code didn't work (should flash the backlight and make piezo clicks)
13:04:51LTouristhi markun
13:05:08markundid you take a look at the code?
13:05:19LTouristwell, that's a such a good news :)
13:05:33LTouristI'm looking at it right now... :)
13:05:49markun"test code didn't work"
13:06:07markun so could have been better news
13:06:25LTouristyeah that for sure
13:06:51markundo you have the M6SL or SP?
13:07:19LTouristI had a m6sp, before a stupid guy steel it.
13:07:51LTouristI search for a sp on internet, but I can't find a brand new one for sell
13:08:18LTouristso I bought a sl, which I hope should arrive in the next week
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13:09:13LTouristI've tried to make the ui sim this morning, but a mysterious reason, it wan't compile anymore since yersterday...
13:09:33markunI don't think it compiles right now
13:09:46markunI can try to fix it when I get back home
13:10:11markunyou can try to compile the bootloader, which now just gives a small test program
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13:10:59LTouristok
13:11:04markunit isn't accepted by the meizu as a valid firmware file though, but you can included it in the official firmware
13:11:38markunLTourist: which OS are you using?
13:12:19LTouristright now, I'm on ubuntu 7.10, should become 8.07 in few days, when I'm get the courage for clicking on "update" ^^
13:12:37markunyou can use the 'dd' tool to merge the firmwares then
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13:14:03LTouristwell, I haven't a meizu for now, so that's not a big deal at the moment
13:14:11markuntrue :)
13:14:29LTouristis there is any information about this tool in the wiki?
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13:15:31LTouristactually, I can't compile any sim anymore
13:15:35markunLTourist: no, 'dd' is a normal unix tool
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13:17:43LTouristwell, I have a dd tool installed, wich seems to be a file manipulating tool
13:18:27preglowjhMikeS: oy, didn't you write most of the pp sd card driver?
13:19:07jhMikeSpreglow: dan_a, toni1 mostly. I just perfected the card switching and did some asm
13:19:14pixelmanow, if there was a way to trigger a new build round for the manuals... I'm just curious whether really all build now, I tested a lot but am not sure if I overlooked something
13:20:28preglowjhMikeS: right, then
13:21:28pixelmabarrywardell too? (maybe only the HC support though, but I am not sure at all)
13:21:38preglowtoo bad none of them are around much, but i don't think it's a bug that matters anyway
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13:23:14preglowthe SET_BUS_WIDTH commands isn
13:23:28preglowthe SET_BUS_WIDTH commands isn't meant to take rca, but sd-pp does so anyway
13:23:31LTouristmarkun : which OS do you have ?
13:23:37preglowbut they're probably handled as don't care bits anyway
13:24:26markunLTourist: FreeBSD
13:24:29preglowdon't have a target where i can test the change anyway, so i won't change
13:24:39LTouristmarkun : I think I have some problems with my packets, as I can't compile anymore whereas I was able to do it 2 days ago...
13:25:53jhMikeSpreglow: it should probably have a go-over by anyone that knows the card stuff. perhaps a clue to the write bug will pop up.
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13:26:42preglowjhMikeS: write bug?
13:27:10jhMikeSpreglow: when transferring to the device in MSC mode, it can corrupt the card
13:27:24jhMikeS...or the onboard flash
13:28:04preglowouch
13:28:19preglowwell, i'm starting to get into sd card stuff, but not exactly an expert yet
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13:30:35jhMikeSFS #8663
13:33:45preglowtiming related, hmm
13:33:48preglowweird
13:34:17preglowthat looks more pp related than anything else
13:34:22preglowi doubt knowledge on sd will matter much
13:34:39preglowi'd just dissasemble retailos and see what they do for a start
13:36:02LTouristmarkun : where comes infos about PDAT, PCON, etc ?
13:36:23LTouristcome, come from ??? ^^
13:38:55preglowBagder: i love that "X-fromdanielhimself" mail header element :P
13:39:13markunLTourist: did you see my PM?
13:39:41LTouristI didn't, I go check it right now :)
13:40:05markunLTourist: in IRC..
13:40:28LTouristah ^^ I didn't, I come ^^
13:41:02jhMikeSpreglow: well, they use DMA but the experimental DMA driver still has the issue as recently as I checked
13:41:55B4gderpreglow: ;-)
13:42:57B4gderhelps me block spam that get to me with my address in From: ...
13:44:37markunB4gder: nice idea
13:45:38J-23Is it possible to track comments for patches/bugs at RB Tracker via RSS or Atom?
13:46:38J-23I want to track versions of some patches
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13:55:39pixelmathere is a RSS feed of the tracker though I don't know how it works and if you can configure it. But you could also watch the task and get notified per email whenever something changes
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14:22:25kugelgevaerts_: rockbox1d seems bugged
14:23:23kugelI have 34k points at the beginning, and the blocks give different points than in the game on tetris1d.org
14:23:40dionoeathat sounds like a release critical bug :)
14:23:57kugelalso, there doesn't seem to be a button with which i can drop the blocks faster
14:25:11kugeldionoea: honestly, i wonder why it was even committed. I knew the devs should fear plugin commits less, but rockblox1d is very near to useless imo
14:25:40dionoea;)
14:25:59dionoeayou still managed to find bugs in it
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14:27:16kugeldionoea: videolan dev? you are one of the guys who make vlc for us?
14:27:30dionoeayup
14:27:44kugelgreat
14:28:05kugeland vlc is a great software, but don't let us got more off-topic
14:28:13dionoeahehe. thanks
14:30:29fdinelhmm, is there a wiki admin here?
14:30:40fdinelseems like directed graph plugin doesn't work anymore
14:32:01pixelmafdinel: maybe you could put this on the WikiIssues page?
14:32:21*kugel needs a video to see if the libmpeg2 cvs sync was worth it
14:32:21fdinelok thanks didn't there was a page for that
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14:32:55BigBambikugel: As it adds nothing to the core, what is the problem with it?
14:33:50kugelBigBambi: Nothing, I just see no sense in that plugin
14:34:05BigBambiSure, but that is no reason not to commit it
14:34:14BigBambiOthers like it
14:34:41fdinelpixelma: well I can't edit the issues page neither, that's the url I'm redirected to: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/oops/Main/WikiIssues?template=oopsleaseconflict;def=lease_old;param1=Main.MaurusCuelenaere;param2=10%20minutes%2021%20seconds;param3=;param4=edit
14:34:46fdinel:D
14:35:03BigBambirobotfindskitten is the epitomy of pointlessness in my opinion, but I'm not going to argue against it
14:35:58kugelBigBambi: Well, rfk features at least some funny and semi-funny jokes :)
14:36:03*dionoea never understood the concept of robotfindskitten
14:36:08pixelmafdinel: I believe that's another issue that pops up when another user is editing the page (if I draw the right conclusions from what I read here)
14:36:20BigBambikugel: Not for me - and that is the point
14:36:41fdinelok fine I'll wait a bit and retry, thanks again
14:36:50pixelmathere was an update of the used twiki version during the weekend end there seems to be a lot to sort out still
14:37:06kugelBigBambi: I'm not arguing against the commit of rockblox1d either, i just expressed my opinion
14:37:09pixelma*and too
14:37:28Zagorfdinel: oopsleasconflict now fixed (although it's currently a bit ugly)
14:39:42fdinel:D
14:39:47fdinelthanks Zagor, it works now
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14:58:59BigBambikugel: sorry, it read (to me) like you thought it shouldn't have been :)
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15:13:04Nico_Phas mcuelenaere dropped the zvm port for now?
15:14:01LambdaCalculus37Nico_P: Dunno. I haven't heard much of what's going on with that, and I don't know if he did anything on it during DevCon.
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15:15:38kugelLambdaCalculus37: I think he did. He had it with him and I think he played around with it
15:18:08Nico_Pit displays the menus but doesn't play music, right?
15:18:33LambdaCalculus37Right.
15:19:04LambdaCalculus37And the install method is very brutal at this point, since you have to remove the drive and format it.
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15:20:52kugelJdGordon, JdGordon|phone: I have prepared a sync'd v3 of the patch
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15:43:57gevaerts_kugel: did you read the manual for rockblox1d ?
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15:46:17kugelgevaerts_: yea
15:46:35kugelgevaerts_: but pressing select makes hardly a difference
15:47:30*gevaerts_ is happy. Someone read the bit of manual he wrote/stole :)
15:48:03gevaerts_kugel: which player ? Maybe I made a mistake when documenting the buttons
15:48:30kugelgevaerts_: e200
15:49:16kugelgevaerts_: I played tetris1d on the webpage, and there it was noticeably faster than without pressing the button to move the brick faster
15:54:45kugellinuxstb_: Can you check if checkwps is still working? I get many errors
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15:57:27kugelbut many errors more
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16:03:12mcuelenaereNico_P: I sort of stopped working on the ZVM port by lack of interest
16:03:37mcuelenaerebut now that I've discovered a part of the Zen File System is documented, I might do a bit this summer
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16:03:57Nico_Pmcuelenaere: you're so close!
16:03:59rasherWho's the twiki admin again?
16:04:23mcuelenaereNico_P: yes, but I really hate RE and there's a lot to do with this port
16:04:36mcuelenaereespecially for the PIC cpu which controls the keys
16:04:48mcuelenaerefor now, it seems those values changes almost randomly
16:05:36mcuelenaere+ I broke my power connector and need to find a way how to solder it back on
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16:05:52Nico_Pmcuelenaere: PIC as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIC_microcontroller ?
16:06:10mcuelenaereyep, it's a PIC18xx
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16:07:18mcuelenaerehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreativeZVMPort#How_internals_are_connected -> see PIC
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16:11:07rasherZagor, Bagder: Why is my majorchanges script getting a 403 on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges?raw=on ? Are you doing some sort of user-agent sniffing/banning?
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16:11:29Nico_Prasher: could it be related to the new TWiki version?
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16:13:31rasherProbably
16:13:55pixelmaviewing the raw looks different than before - the content is in some sort of codebox at a set height which you have to scroll
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16:20:18rasherThat's not an issue (yet) - right now my server's not even allowed to download the page
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16:28:02JdGordondoes anyone care about debug builds being broken? (FS #6069)
16:29:21tmcarr?
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16:32:45JdGordonamiconn: the MIN()/MAX() stuff? yeah.. probably.. I just wanted to get a working fix in though
16:32:53JdGordonit should be cleaned up
16:33:38JdGordonhas anyone got a gigabeat F ?
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16:38:18pengoi have a feature request.. there should be a demo app that just displays the Rockbox logo and keeps the backlight on ... to make product photography easier
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16:38:42JdGordonthere is
16:38:56pengoJdGordon: it moves the logo around tho
16:39:11pengounless i missed it
16:39:13rasherYou could use the credits plugin
16:39:37rasherAlthough I don't remember if that skips to the credits automatically
16:40:15JdGordonlogo.rock can be made to stop the logo moving
16:40:25rasherOh, that it can!
16:40:28rasherI should know.
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16:40:32*JdGordon didnt know that untill now
16:40:45rasherBut it's not full-width, I'll give you that
16:41:08rasherWould it not be reasonable if the credits screen waited for input before jumping to credits anyway?
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16:55:32amiconnJdGordon: The part before the || can go away. The MIN()/MAX() part always becomes true before that.
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17:05:35PaulJamNico_P: just read that you weren't able to reproduce FS #9137. with what audio format did you try?
17:06:31Nico_PPaulJam: it was MP3
17:08:51PaulJamok, i'm currently trying with mp3 (but it takes ages)
17:09:31Nico_Pdo you consistently get it with FLAC?
17:11:16MarcGuaypixelma: If you're around I wouldn't mind a quick lesson on svn keywords so you don't have to clean up my mistakes again...
17:12:17PaulJamturns out i get it with mp3 too (the track just skipped 40 sec too early). i used flac because there i have more songs with the needed filesizes.
17:13:04Nico_PI wonder if this could be H300 specific
17:13:59PaulJamNico_P: i can reproduce it maybe 80% of the time. btw, did you try on tarrget or uisim?
17:14:18Nico_PPaulJam: on target, iPod 5.5G
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17:24:11PaulJamNico_P: how big were the files you used for reproduction?
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17:25:27Nico_PPaulJam: I used one that was 65 MB (my buffer is 61 MB)
17:32:15PaulJamhmm. i have no idea what you could have done differently :(
17:33:13Nico_Pmaybe I haven't followed the recipe closely enough... I'll try again
17:33:27Nico_PPaulJam: what happens when you do it in the sim?
17:34:14pixelmaMarcGuay: am around now, though I'm not the most knowledgable person about it either but I can try
17:36:00PaulJamthe sim behaves pretty much like the target, either it skips or it gives noise. (i mainly used the uisim)
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17:41:24Nico_PBagder: isn't it possible to use the rockbox svn over HTTP?
17:41:43dionoeanot that I know.
17:41:48GodEaterNico_P: yes it is
17:41:54dionoeaah sorry :)
17:42:06Nico_PGodEater: really? I just tried and couldn't
17:42:08GodEaterit greatly depends on if you're behind a proxy or not
17:42:12Nico_Pcrap
17:42:23Nico_Pgit passed through
17:42:24GodEaterand whether or not the proxy supports a bunch of weird HTTP methods
17:42:46GodEaterif you're NOT behind a proxy, it's pretty straightforward I think, but the svn server needs to allow the HTTP requests
17:43:16Nico_P"Server sent unexpected return value (405 Method Not Allowed) in response to PROPFIND request for '/rockbox/trunk'"
17:43:36GodEateryeah, that'll be an issue
17:43:45GodEaterPROPFIND is one of those weird HTTP methods that's required
17:45:02GodEaterNico_P: I looked at this ages ago before I ever got my SSH tunnel working
17:45:16GodEaterbut the proxy here doesn't even understand PROPFIND, much less pass it through
17:45:16Nico_Pdamn damn damn
17:45:33GodEaterNico_P: I feel your pain :(
17:45:48*GodEater has been reduced to using the tarball for keeping up to date
17:45:57GodEaterand of course there's no way to commit back
17:46:29Nico_PI managed to get git to clone my repo at repo.or.cz (it took a while at 15 KB/s, but worked)
17:46:32LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Not even at home?
17:46:47GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: of course at home - but I spend very little time there compared to work
17:46:55GodEaterfor instance, I have a hot dinner date tonight ;)
17:46:57Nico_Pbut I have no means of keeping that repo up to date now
17:46:58GodEaterso I won't be there
17:47:18GodEaterNico_P: well you could give someone else push rights to it
17:47:27*Nico_P has no more internet access at home :(
17:47:29GodEaterand then they could set up a cron to keep it up to date
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17:47:46Nico_PGodEater: maybe I'll need to do that, yes
17:47:48GodEateror someone could get that proper git mirror of our svn tree going ;)
17:47:56Nico_Pbut I think I'll try the tunnel trick
17:48:06GodEaterit's pretty simple once you get it going
17:48:08Nico_Pthere was talk about that at devcon
17:48:11GodEaterI have a pretty comprehensive guide
17:48:12GodEater:)
17:48:30Nico_PI think Bagder plans on doing it
17:48:48GodEaterit just means someone writing the svn post commit hook really doesn't it ?
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17:49:05Nico_Pyeah, I think that's it
17:50:03GodEaterNico_P: godeater.cream.org/vpn.html">http://godeater.cream.org/vpn.html
17:51:04Nico_PGodEater: that will come in handy, thanks
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17:51:49GodEaterNico_P: it's a great solution, it's just a shame that I can't use it anymore because the security people here are so good at their jobs they monitor bloody everything =/
17:52:09*Nico_P hopes the admins here won't be too strict
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17:52:33GodEaterwell before they act strict, they have to notice what you're doing ;)
17:53:18pixelmaJdGordon: still around? I guess a should just flyspray it though...
17:53:58Nico_PGodEater: most frustrating is that I have a PC at home (Paris) that could act as a server, but I have no means of contacting it
17:54:29GodEaterNico_P: well like I say, I have most of this set up at home
17:54:39GodEaterI just need to twiddle with it to get you working from there
17:54:51GodEateron that note, I need to get going. Never does to keep a lady waiting....
17:54:55GodEaterlater all!
17:54:55Nico_PGodEater: I'd be very thankful :)
17:55:00Nico_Plater :)
17:55:11LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Bye!
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18:16:03Lloreanpixelma: Okay, Nano's fairly charged, built Rockbox locally, used a different cable, still ATA errors, so I'm now going to see if I can track it down.
18:18:16wpyhLlorean: I have a Nano. Which bug was it? (I faintly recall something about ATA -11 errors)
18:18:30Lloreanwpyh: Current builds give ATA -11 error on some Nanos.
18:18:43wpyhwhen did it start?
18:18:51LloreanThat's what I'm trying to determine
18:19:01wpyhah
18:19:10wpyhI'm using r17705M, no errors
18:19:31LloreanUntil we know if yours has that error with a current build, that information isn't useful
18:19:34soap"some Nanos."
18:19:48*wpyh thought there is only one hardware for nanos
18:20:07Lloreanwpyh: Doesn't always mean every single Nano works the same, unfortunately
18:20:15pixelmaLlorean: do you remember which build there was on before?
18:20:24Lloreanpixelma: no idea
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18:20:30Llorean19750 fails, 19500 passes though
18:20:45Lloreaner 17750
18:20:48Llorean17500
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18:21:34pixelmaI believe it was some 17200-ish... ok, then this information isn't helpful ;)
18:22:09LloreanI'll just binchop until I hit a number.
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18:27:38bluebrotherhmm. How can I distinguish the various m200 versions? Did I miss something at the m200 wiki page?
18:28:03Lloreanbluebrother: OF version, I think.
18:28:04LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: The only way is internally, really.
18:28:32LambdaCalculus37Llorean: The OF version is not entirely accurate in the m200's case.
18:28:34bluebrotherOF version is 2.2.3E. So I guess that's a v1?
18:28:45LambdaCalculus37Yes, that's a TCC-based.
18:28:51LambdaCalculus37So you're in luck.
18:29:13LambdaCalculus37Mine was 2.2.5A, but the mainboard was a "revision 1".
18:29:26bluebrotherseems I need a rather small screwdriver to open that thing up. Need to check if I have something around here ...
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18:32:17*Llorean bets it's 17721
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18:33:16wpyhmy nano works even with the latest build
18:33:54bluebrotherLambdaCalculus37: anything I should look for before cracking it open?
18:34:22Lloreanpixelma: It's 17721, confirmed.
18:34:31MarcGuayhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureRequests could use some updating if anyone's got the time.
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18:39:17pixelmaLlorean: interesting
18:41:03wpyhthat's the pcf init
18:41:11LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: A guitar pick or something to seperate the upper and lower halves, that's about it.
18:41:50wpyhLlorean: could you please revert the change and try the new inits one by one, see which one caused the ata error?
18:42:30*wpyh wonders if it's IOREGC
18:42:42LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: The hardware revision should be somewhere on the board, towards where the buttons are.
18:42:57*wpyh realizes that IOREGC is the only one that really changed :p
18:43:04bluebrotherok. Still struggling to get this thing open
18:43:25LambdaCalculus37You should also see a small daughterboard with the NAND on it. Can you also see if there's a second chip on said board when you open it?
18:46:28bluebrotherok, some more excessive use of force helped. I can see the daugtherboard.
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18:46:56bluebrotherRevision 2.0 (SLC)
18:47:47LambdaCalculus37Looks like you have one that accesses the NAND directly.
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18:48:09LambdaCalculus37There's a Revision 3 that uses Tri-Flash, according to shotofadds.
18:48:33LambdaCalculus37But right now, scorche has my m240, which is going to go to shotofadds, and in return, I get his m230.
18:48:50bluebrotherok. Now for disconnecting the Nand. It that secured in any way?
18:49:36wanzeany idea where I might get iPod 5G themes?
18:49:43LambdaCalculus37No, not really. Just pry it up, but *gently*! It's very easy to snap some of the plastic off of the connector.
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18:50:04LambdaCalculus37http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g
18:50:15bluebrotherthat's what I'm afraid of −− and it's connected rather firmly
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18:50:55bluebrotherwanze: http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/index.php?res=320x240x16
18:51:05LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: If you break the plastic off the connector, it's not going to ruin the connector, but it will make it a little easier for it to come off.
18:51:13wanzethanks both
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18:51:38wanzeLambdaCalculus37, why are there themes on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g when it at http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 says that they've been removed?
18:52:11LambdaCalculus37Copyright.
18:52:25wanze
18:52:28wanzeCopyright?
18:52:56wanzeoh, it isn't the same site
18:53:50PaulJam_quote from that page: "iPod 5G themes, temporarily removed due to bandwidth restrictions"
18:55:23bluebrotherhmm. Seems after removing the NAND it won't come up anymore.
18:55:24wanzeYes, "copyright" doesn't seem like the answer
18:56:07bluebrothershouldn't it go to pre-boot mode?
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18:56:35LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: Right now, that's about the only way we know how to enter USB boot mode.
18:56:52soapyou're talking about two separate issues. There are differences between the themes hosted at the two sites due to copyright concerns, there is also the secondary issue of rockbox-themes bandwidth consumption necessitating the mirroring of the 5th gen iPod themes.
18:56:57LambdaCalculus37Compile an m200 bootloader, and you can upload it with tcctool.
18:57:34bluebrothertcctool doesn't recognize the player. Do I need to do something special? I just reconnected USB and battery.
18:58:38LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: You don't need the battery.
18:59:00LambdaCalculus37If you connect it to USB, it may appear that nothing is happening, but that's USB boot mode.
18:59:18bluebrotherok. Shouldn't I see a new device with lsusb?
18:59:46LambdaCalculus37Yes. Do you see one?
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19:00:08bluebrotherno
19:00:33LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: What distro are you using? Just curious.
19:00:40bluebrotherFedora 8.
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19:00:47pixelmaLlorean: could that be a hint where the differences in "problematic" or at least potentionally problematic Nanos and perfectly working ones lie?
19:01:07Lloreanpixelma: Mine wasn't problematic previously.
19:01:17LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: What does dmesg say?
19:01:20LloreanIt may be a hint, but I don't know what it means yet. :)
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19:02:35bluebrothernothing. Last entry was me replugging the mouse :(
19:02:54*pixelma steals an "ion" from her last sentence
19:02:55LambdaCalculus37Okay, remove the m200 from USB.
19:03:28*LambdaCalculus37 hopes his little trick works...
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19:04:37LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: Get the command for tcctool ready... "tcctool -d c100 <filename.bin>", but don't hit enter just yet. Connect the m200 again, count to five, then hit enter.
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19:05:36bluebrotherdoesn't work
19:05:41LambdaCalculus37Damn. :(
19:05:41StroggI'm following along with the dev docs on the site and trying to build gcc, but it's dieing with an error.. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong here?
19:05:46Stroggmake[1]: *** No rule to make target `../include/ansidecl.h', needed by `regex.o'. Stop.
19:06:21BigBambiStrogg: using rockboxdev.sh ?
19:06:22Stroggthe file is in the gcc/include dir.. it's just that the path it thinks it's at is wrong. but I'm not sure where I'm supposed to fix it.. the makefile for gcc is rather ugly
19:06:43StroggBigBambi: hrmm no.. I was following along with http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
19:07:00BigBambiI'd just use the nice script that builds all the cross compilers for you along with required patches
19:07:25LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: That's really strange that Fedora's not seeing the m200 in USB boot mode. :/
19:07:38BigBambiStrogg: tools/rockboxdev.sh
19:07:38StroggBigBambi: hrmm ok.. I'll give that a shot
19:07:42BigBambiIt is a damn site easier
19:07:53BigBambi*sight
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19:11:10bluebrotherLambdaCalculus37: you think it's related to the distro? Would really surprise me
19:11:54LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: If it is, all I can say on that is "Dayum!"
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19:12:11LambdaCalculus37I'm running Kubuntu here, and tcctool works for me.
19:12:33bluebrotherstrange. I could try using a live CD or so later. Or maybe even on windows.
19:13:07LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: Okay. Let me know how it goes.
19:14:00Strogghrmm I grabbed the rockbox source from the repo and looking at the rockboxdev script.. is builddir one of the vars I need to define? it's not listed at the top and the script is trying to use it before it's defined anywhere else.
19:14:24StroggI'm guessing I have ot add a builddir="/home/jean/rockbox/build" at the top?
19:14:30BigBambiStrogg: No
19:14:47BigBambiStrogg: You don't need to change the script at all, unless you want to change where it puts things
19:15:00BigBambiIn which so, you'll need to find where it defines them
19:15:14BigBambiYou don't add anything, but if you so wish, you can change it
19:16:03StroggOk.. but when I run it, it says "Build dir: (edit script to change dir)"
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19:16:29BigBambiI've never actually looked i n it, I just ran it and it did it's thing
19:16:38BigBambiAre you running it as root (required)
19:17:54Strogghrmm not running as root.. I was going to install it into my home directory
19:18:16*Strogg tries that
19:19:03BigBambiwell, as I said I've never looked in it, and I'm sure you could change destinations to build where you want. I just ran it as root and it just worked (TM) :)
19:19:18Stroggoh well.. I'll run it and just see if it works. hehe
19:20:03n1sStrogg: did you edit the script?
19:20:21Stroggn1s: yeah, and I set the 3 vars at the top
19:20:40Stroggdlwhere, prefix, and .... hrmm err.. wait a sec.
19:20:50n1sbecause from the message you got it seems the builddir var is empty (or just a space)
19:20:51Stroggdlwhere, prefix and dlwhere?
19:21:03*Strogg checks if that's his copy or the svn copy
19:21:10n1sthe second dlwhere should be a builddir
19:21:13Stroggyeah
19:21:45StroggF.. how the hell did I do that.
19:21:54Stroggok.. sorry. that was really lame. hehe
19:22:26StroggI suspect I cut and pasted a line and forgot to change the var.. lame..
19:22:50BigBambihehe :)
19:23:16StroggOk.. there we go.. script is running
19:23:23Stroggman.. all this for a go file reader.. hehe
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20:01:41LloreanBagder: What do we want to do about 3.0? I think a good plan might be to let the steering board vote finish first. During that time do at least a tracker cleanup week. The freeze can be sometime in August unless new blockers show up, and documentation cleanup can come concurrently (or even after we have a 3.0 binary if necessary).
20:02:00LloreanMainly I'd just like to see a 3.0 get out the door before it gets bogged down again by something.
20:02:23pixelmalike the new Nano bug o.O
20:02:50Lloreanpixelma: The new nano-bug is easy to fix, just revert the PCF change. It's another non-ideal fix, but it'll wrok.
20:02:51Lloreanwork
20:02:53*pixelma hopes for a quick fix though
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20:05:06BagderLlorean: I think that sounds like a fine 3.0-plan
20:06:30wanzeHow do I leave the Text editor on my iPod 5g?
20:07:29Lloreanwanze: I don't know, but it ought to be in the manual
20:08:36wanzefound it, thanks ):
20:08:37wanze:)
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20:10:14shotofaddssome nice deals here for anyone in the UK/Europe looking to buy a Cowon D2... http://svp.co.uk/searchresults.php?sSrch=cowon%20d2
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20:12:17bluebrotherLambdaCalculus37: just tried on windows and F9live −− no usb device detected :(
20:12:31bluebrotherthere is a small battery on the PCB, do you think I should try removing that?
20:12:43LambdaCalculus37No, it shouldn't affect anything.
20:12:51LambdaCalculus37Try a Debian-based distro.
20:13:38*bluebrother wonders why a debian-based distro should be better and goes searching for a knoppix cd
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20:14:27SETH_HIKARUhi whats the off topic rockbox irc channel please
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20:14:34LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: I think we should talk to linuxstb about why tcctool is crapping out on other distros, if that is indeed the case.
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20:14:55SETH_HIKARUstay on topic
20:15:19scorchethat is ontopic
20:15:26SETH_HIKARUdidnt sound like it
20:15:33scorcheyes, it did
20:15:34SETH_HIKARUwhere do we use tcctool in rockbox
20:15:36bluebrotherthe interesting thing is that my box even doesn't see a new usb device. At least that should happen, shouldn't it?
20:15:41LambdaCalculus37SETH_HIKARU: You either shut up and behave, or your ass is out of the channel.
20:15:55BagderSETH_HIKARU: we use tcctool to play with telechips devices
20:16:19LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: Yeah; a new device should be seen,
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20:16:32SETH_HIKARUand may i ask what telechip devices are or is that off topic and i should just go look it up on wikipedia or google
20:16:33*bluebrother remembers his ignore list :)
20:16:46scorcheSETH_HIKARU: the latter
20:16:50SETH_HIKARUok
20:16:50BagderSETH_HIKARU: telechips is a korean chip maker
20:16:57bluebrotherwas some guy bitching at me? Haven't noticed anything ;-)
20:17:05SETH_HIKARUno
20:17:20SETH_HIKARUbut someone was bithcing at me
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20:17:44scorcheSETH_HIKARU: hush about it...you are already on your last warning
20:18:06BuschelLlorean: just read about reverting the pcf-patch to get rid of the nano ATA-error...
20:18:23BuschelLlorean: are you talking of r17721?
20:19:28LloreanBuschel: I sent you an email about it.
20:19:34midgeyBagder: thanks for the genlang tip
20:19:37amiconnLlorean: Which PCF change are you talking about?
20:19:40LloreanSome iPod Nanos get ATA -11 errors from revision 17721, 17720 works fine
20:19:46Lloreanamiconn: revision 17721
20:19:47bluebrotherSETH_HIKARU: that's definitely not true (I can read logs ;-)
20:19:51Zagorrasher: yes, the new twiki rejects connections from a list of useragents, including ""
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20:20:21Bagderit seems a bit strict
20:20:29rasherZagor: I'd be sending PHP/5.something I believe. Apparently that's blocked as well.
20:20:37rasherNow I'm sending "Firefox", which works.
20:20:57BuschelLlorean: no email... could you track it down to an explicit register?
20:21:20amiconnZagor: Fyi, we now swapped 2 of the ceiling tiles for 2 from one of our storage rooms. Tomorrow I'll see what I can do about the remaining light brown speckles
20:21:20*Buschel wanted to say he didn't receive any mail yet
20:21:22LloreanBuschel: I used your email from the patch tracker.
20:21:28LloreanWhich may be a fake, I dunno
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20:22:15Zagorrasher: afaik you sent nothing. in fact I looked at those reject messages and wonder who that was :-) neither curl nor wget is rejected, it's mostly to stop stuff like LinkWalker etc from "caching" pages in wiki (and thus triggering edits and whatnot)
20:22:30n1samiconn: soda explosion or something interesting? ;)
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20:22:31bertrikI have no experience with ipods, but looking at the patch it seems only PCF5060X-IOREGC is affected
20:22:41DieselHopperAnyone here that can help me please?
20:22:59wanzeAsk a question
20:23:00bluebrotheronly if you dare to ask a question ;-)
20:23:02BuschelLlorean: the email is correct
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20:23:14DieselHopperI'm getting the Can't load rockbox.ipod: error
20:23:18rasherZagor: Weird, I simply use php's file_get_contents() - maybe it's my host's patched PHP that acts weird. Anyway, mystery solved and fixed.
20:23:26DieselHopperAll the suggested methods aren't doing a thing
20:23:43Buschelbetrik: IOREGC was changed for ipod video, but not for nano. 3.0V is nano's default
20:24:02Zagoramiconn: ah, good idea with the swap.
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20:24:17DieselHopperAny ideas?
20:25:28BagderDieselHopper: yes, you didn't extract the zip properly
20:25:42*amiconn thought gcc does analyze expressions for potential simplification
20:26:00bertrikBuschel, oh, and an #if was changed so nano uses the same PCF settings as video
20:26:20BuschelLlorean/betrik: the only change for nano should be D1REGC1 (which was tested as used for codec). maybe D1REGC influences some other stuff?
20:26:21amiconnLooks like it wasn't clever enough to find that simplification I committed
20:26:33DieselHopperWell here's what I did, I loaded the .rockbox file onto my iPod perfectly. Everything was working fine, and then I wanted a theme so I delete my old .rockbox file and replaced it with the theme .rockbox file and then I loaded the bootloader and installed it and now it gives me the error.
20:26:40bluebrotherDieselHopper: I really don't understand what you mean by "all suggested methods".
20:26:46BagderDieselHopper: .rockbox is not a file
20:26:54bluebrothererrr ... you did *what*?
20:27:00LloreanBuschel: I'm just about to build one with that register reverted
20:27:10*bluebrother strongly suggests using Rockbox Utility
20:27:13BuschelLlorean: perfect
20:27:26DieselHopperRockbox Utility?
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20:27:34bluebrotherDieselHopper: well, you deleted your Rockbox build. Therefore it won't work.
20:27:46bluebrotheryeah, that's even linked from the build download page.
20:27:52DieselHopperWell my computer says that there is no iPod connected, nor does iTunes.
20:28:11DieselHoppernor does bootloader
20:28:29bluebrotherthe bootloader does not connect to the internet, a download page or Itunes.
20:28:40LloreanBuschel: I should use 0xef as per the comment, or 0xf5 as per the old value?
20:28:40DieselHopperI know this
20:28:47bluebrothergo into emergency disc mode and reinstall a Rockbox build. The FAQ tells you how to do this
20:29:00DieselHopperpage link?
20:29:30BuschelLlorean: 0xf5 was set in svn before this change
20:29:52LloreanThe comment says 0xef is the OF value though.
20:29:58LloreanBut I'll use f5 then
20:30:02PaulJamBuschel: i was wondering, did you see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14524.msg128220#msg128220 ? the user seems to get an error on boot with a CF card since one of your other power saving commits.
20:30:03bluebrotherIpodFAQ
20:30:26DieselHopperIs this on a website?>
20:30:32DieselHopper*->
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20:30:47bertrikBuschel, r17721 definitely changes more than just D1REGC1 for the nano
20:30:51bluebrotheryou know about the Rockbox website? *The* site with loads of information about Rockbox?
20:31:04DieselHopperYeah am I clicking on Manual?
20:31:16BuschelLlorean: and of course i've overseen another thing -> D3REGC1 (tested as LCD power supply) -> next candidate. was switched from 0xf5 (3.0V) to 0xf1 (2.6V)
20:31:16bluebrotherDownloads, Installer, Forums, they even have Documentation and a Manual!
20:31:29pixelmaBuschel: just saying "tested" on one or two Nanos isn't always enough. There seem to be tiny differences between hardware
20:31:36bluebrotherit even is really easy to find: just type www.rockbox.org in your browser and enjoy!
20:31:37DieselHopperWell let me know if you see a page called IpodFAQ, cause I sure don't. :P
20:31:49Buschelbetrik: the changes regarding CPU voltage are not relevant as the second voltage is not used
20:32:00bluebrotherthat page is in the wiki, and it's name is IpodFAQ. But it's also linked from the manual IIRC
20:32:12Buschelpixelma: yes, seems so :/
20:32:14DieselHopperAlright, thank you.
20:32:56bluebrotheranyway, you can simply follow the "Documentation index" from the left side navigation. If you scroll down a bit on that page you'll even get presented ... *drumrolls*
20:32:57LloreanBuschel: Testing that one now
20:33:10bluebrothera *whole* section with "FAQs" heading!
20:33:12LloreanBuschel: D1REGC1 didn't work.
20:33:34DieselHopperPhew, finally.
20:33:36bluebrotherisn't that impressive? Amazing? Astonishing?
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20:33:48*bluebrother should turn of his sarcastic mode
20:33:49DieselHopperOr even...Annoying?
20:33:50BuschelLlorean: ok
20:34:04LloreanBuschel: D3REGC1 it is.
20:34:24BuschelLlorean: good :)
20:34:36bluebrotherNo! It's ... *great*!
20:34:46Buschel\o/
20:34:46LloreanBuschel: Is it safe to just test every value between f1 and f5 to see if we can still keep it a little lower, or does it need set increments?
20:35:19bluebrotherwell, *please* educate yourself at least a bit before asking basic questions. It's kinda boring to indicate stuff that's not even hidden in any way and _really_ easy to find
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20:35:43bluebrotherthese are real people in this channel and they have a RL too. Besides some stuff to work on for Rockbox of course ...
20:36:20Buschelhmm, i would prefer to #ifdef this section and use the default for now. the setting for the video didn't show any problems since the power change for the 5G
20:36:45LloreanBuschel: Okay. I'm happy with any fix, really. :)
20:36:47DieselHopperSorry I figured there was a reason for an IRC, and that people would like to be of a service to others, as apposed to continuesly writing sarcastic statements....buuuut I guess I was wrong.
20:37:04BuschelLlorean: like -> nano = 0xf5, video = 0xf1
20:37:45bluebrotherpeople do help others, but we also expect at least some basic work done by you. We're not around for spoon-feeding others.
20:37:56LloreanBuschel: Makes sense to me.
20:38:02bluebrotherand if it's really that hard to find the FAQ ... (well, it's called FAQ for a reason!)
20:38:06Buscheli'll submit it tomorrow morning (if noone wants to fix it now)
20:38:21DieselHopperAhh I see, I guess you are right, almost linking me to a page was so much effort. : P
20:38:30*Buschel has no svn access now
20:38:46BigBambiDieselHopper: You have no idea how annoying it is to do for many people each day because they can't be bothered to search
20:38:56LloreanBuschel: I'd rather let you do it, just to be safe.
20:39:24BuschelLlorean: ok
20:39:40DieselHopperI just didn't know where a FAQ page was, I didn't know if he meant the Manual or if it was in Forums, or the Wiki. That's all I wanted to know, it's really not that much trouble since he's so willing to spend time writing about why he shouldn't have to.
20:39:40BuschelLlorean: btw, is there any FS-entry about this bug?
20:39:51LloreanBuschel: Hadn't entered one yet, since I was going to just contact you directly
20:40:05LloreanPixelma found it on my Nano at devcon, and only one or two people have reported it in the forums so far.
20:40:15BigBambiDieselHopper: So that hopefully next time you will look first I imagine
20:40:15*bluebrother shakes head
20:40:47bluebrotherspending like 5 minutes first checking for a FAQ would be nice IMO. You managed to find the irc link, so a FAQ shouldn't be harder to find ...
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20:40:56LloreanBuschel: For the CPU boosting on UI thing, we've got over a month to test it even if we're just going to use it temporarily for 3.0
20:41:05bluebrotherBagder: can we get a "FAQ" link in the left-side menu?
20:41:15DieselHopperWell there is a link saying "IRC" unlike the FAQ
20:41:37bluebrotherthere is a link saying "manual" and one saying "docs index". Is is _that_ hard?
20:41:55BuschelLlorean: if anyone could test it would be fine. question is: do we want to implement it for all targets or just for the 5G?
20:42:10LloreanBuschel: I think the 5G is the only place where the LCD is particularly laggy.
20:42:23DieselHopperWell I wasn't looking for 'manual' or 'index'.
20:42:28LloreanI'd be happy with it just in the list context, but I suspect that most plugins where boosting would alter performance are always boosted anyway, except maybe jewels.
20:42:29BuschelLlorean: the interesting thing is that we can lower the normal clock with this patch to have better runtime for some codecs :)
20:42:58BuschelLlorean: but that's another thing...
20:43:06LloreanBuschel: Might want to leave that out of 3.0, unless we can do some real testing on WPS performance (many scrolling lines + peakmeters)
20:43:56BuschelLlorean: of course, nothing for 3.0 −− there should be no experiments done in 3.0
20:44:13LloreanWell, "boost on UI use" might be considered an "experiment"
20:44:25LloreanBut the worst that's likely to come from it is slightly reduced battery life for people who spend a lot of time scrolling.
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20:44:35Zagorbluebrother: adding the faq
20:44:56bluebrotherZagor: thanks :)
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20:46:19BuschelLlorean: at least i must say that i don't want to miss the gui boost anymore on my 5G −− but i can build for my own ;-)
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20:46:49LloreanBuschel: Well, I think for 3.0 we should try to make sure the UI doesn't feel laggy, even if it isn't used in the main SVN builds.
20:46:56SETH_HIKARUis rasher here
20:47:41LambdaCalculus37SETH_HIKARU: This is the last time you'll ever be told. Stop while you're ahead. You're just trolling, and pissing a lot of people off.
20:48:14SETH_HIKARUwhy would i get banned from the off topic channel for talking off topic
20:48:22LloreanBuschel: It's *probably* possible to optimize the UI itself to the point where boosting isn't needed, but if boosting works too well there won't be much encouragement to do so. Meanwhile, for the 3.0 release, we shouldn't let things like that stand in the way of a "working" solution so long as it doesn't have harmful side effects.
20:48:37LloreanSETH_HIKARU: You were banned for intentionally pestering users.
20:50:04bluebrotherLlorean: btw, you're aware of that nice "no sansa found" bug in rbutil I fixed the other day (after devcon)?
20:50:11BuschelLlorean: has there been a timeline defined for creating the branch?
20:50:25Lloreanbluebrother: All I know is that you mentioned it happens
20:50:36LloreanBuschel: Well, the goal right now is to enter freeze sometime in August.
20:50:40bluebrotherif users run into that issue simply restart rbutil and don't use autodetection. I hope we get 1.0.6 out this weekend
20:51:12bertrikAre we going to make a branch or just freeze features and continue on after the release?
20:51:16LloreanBuschel: There's no outstanding show stopper bugs. We'll branch when we enter the freeze, patch up everything we can, and create a known issues file. Freeze is only two weeks, and we release at the end of it, no matter what.
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20:51:26Lloreanbertrik: Branch, so that we can use unclean fixes that don't belong in "real" SVN
20:51:46bluebrothermainly ipodpatcher just locked all drives during autodetection except the one he recognized. All following attempts to access the disc (like sansapatcher scanning) failed. Pretty nasty.
20:51:50LloreanBut no development should go on in the main branch during that period, hopefully
20:52:16Lloreanbluebrother: Okay, thanks for the tip. I'll pass that on if they run into it.
20:52:18bluebrotherI'm rather sure that is also the issue of that guy in the forums who had issues but managed to get the bootloader installed using sansapatcher
20:52:43bluebrotheryep, just wanted you to be informed until we release ;-)
20:52:45BuschelLlorean: hmm, can't we just branch off with a certain revision of the trunk and go on with development in the trunk?
20:52:58LloreanBuschel: That's kinda what we will do.
20:53:22LloreanBuschel: But ideally developers should be concentrating on bugfixes during the freeze period. Some will be suitable for the branch and the trunk, but some may only be suitable for the branch.
20:53:32LloreanBut we don't want devs working on new features during that period.
20:54:01Buschelunderstood, so no technical but a focus issue
20:54:11LloreanExactly
20:54:33LloreanRight now we're in the middle of selecting the Rockbox Steering Board
20:54:34bluebrothermerging usually isn't fun so we should try to avoid it
20:54:46Lloreanbluebrother: There will be no merging back from the 3.0 branch.
20:54:48Buschelwill there be some integration from release to trunk or do devs need to submit to both branches then? e.g. when fixing top-issues
20:54:59LloreanBuschel: Need to submit to both, I think.
20:55:30Buschelbluebrother: you were faster :)
20:56:27LloreanI dunno, there may be a way to keep the two partially in sync?
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20:57:06bluebrotherforce devs to immediately merge their changes back to the other branch?
20:57:15LloreanBut anyway, we need to pick the steering board, then assign a release coordinator, and do a tracker cleanup week before then nayway
20:57:37*bluebrother agrees
20:57:50Lloreanbluebrother: If they're suitable for both branches, they should be in both. The idea with the 3.0 branch is that some changes (for example the UI boosting) may "work" but not be the most elegant solution to the problem, so they go in the 3.0 build for users, but don't get into the main trunk yet.
20:59:08LloreanI'd also like to squeeze in the documentation cleanup period
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20:59:18LloreanBut that can actually be *after* we have a release binary, if there's not a good time for it along the way
20:59:27Llorean"Here's 3.0, updated manuals to come soon"
20:59:28rasherLlorean: and translation-touch-up!
20:59:33Lloreanrasher: That too!
20:59:43bluebrotheryeah, we should try to have the documentation as complete as possible.
20:59:53LloreanAbsolutely
20:59:57bluebrothermaybe add a short docs-and-translation freeze?
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21:00:12bluebrotherlike strings freeze so translators can work
21:00:15rasherDoesn't really have to be a separate freeze
21:00:23rasherIt's not like strings and ui is likely to change anyway
21:00:24J-23How should I configure Jabber notifications from Rockbox tracker?
21:00:29LloreanOn the plus side, it *looks* like the showstopper bugs for 3.0 are already cleared up. So if all else fails, we can probably branch from today's SVN revision if things get worse again.
21:00:31J-23(what's notification JID?)
21:00:33bluebrotherJ-23: those don't work.
21:00:43bluebrotherand JID is Jabber ID
21:01:40J-23yes, I know it, I meaned "what's notification ID" - what JID should I add to my roster
21:02:30bluebrotherwell, as Jabber notification hasn't been set up (AFAIK) there's no much point in that.
21:02:43J-23ok, thanks.
21:02:43atrusi assume it'll just send you a message, without needing to be on your roster. (which probabbly won't work with google talk...)
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21:04:58n1sOne small "problem" with freezing in august is that it is around that time that the gsoc is supposed to end and we could face the pains of merging any successful projects, but I guess they could go on trunk after the branch...
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21:07:09Lloreann1s: I don't suspect it'll be too big a deal, hopefully
21:08:24J-23Does watching task include notifications about comments for task?
21:08:29LloreanYes
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21:21:49BuschelLlorean: you're still here in 1 1/2 hours? my PC is clean building sim and target now −− maybe you could check the patch before i submit it then?
21:21:57*Buschel couldn't wait until tomorrow
21:22:45*Buschel also needs to adapt his WPS'es to the new progressbar syntax
21:23:07LloreanBuschel: I'll be around for a while yet, I think
21:23:25Buschelok, I'll give you a trigger
21:25:34LloreanSure thing
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21:36:18soaphow desired is an index for the manual?
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21:37:14Lloreansoap: How much more could an index add on top of the ToC?
21:37:17bluebrothersoap: I think it's a "nice to have"
21:37:27LloreanI'd be for it if it was useful.
21:37:42soapLlorean, at the least it is a ToC in alphabetical order.
21:37:58bluebrotherLlorean: well, I usually like documentation having an index to quickly find the sections related to some topic.
21:38:18LloreanIf we could add a significant amount more terms (or alternative terms) to it, it'd be nice
21:38:30LloreanThings people might look for because they don't know the right terms yet.
21:38:30bluebrothersoap: I even tried around with an index like a year+ or so ago.
21:38:35soapI assume there is no easy way to build an index outside of "brute force" / manually?
21:39:04soapLlorean, are search terms on the forums stored anywhere?
21:39:09bluebrotherthere is a really easy way: just add \index{blah} along the text itself (not 100% sure if that was the macro)
21:39:27Lloreansoap: I don't think so, but I don't know for certain.
21:39:37bluebrotherthen you just need to run makeidx and latex again. I think the makefile already can handle this.
21:39:48soapit would be very interesting and perhaps enlightening to see what search terms are used on the forums.
21:39:55soap(cynic adds "if any")
21:39:57bluebrotheror at least, I think I had it handle it previously, so it shouldn't be hard to add
21:40:26Lloreansoap: I'm sure it'd actually be really useful for building such an index
21:40:54soapthat's where I was going with the query.
21:41:18bluebrotherwe already have 13 references to the index in the manual sources ;-)
21:42:00bluebrothersoap: I'd really like someone working on it ;-)
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21:43:15soapvery willing to do this, bluebrother, but I have a ton of questions, can we discuss this tomorrow? I'll be home ~23:30 CET, don't know how late of hours you keep...
21:43:36Lloreansoap: I don't see any options relating to logging searches. :(
21:44:42amiconnLlorean: The server log should have them (if the search uses http GET, that is)
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21:45:35Lloreanamiconn: We can pester scorche about it then
21:47:41bluebrothersoap: sorry, missed your last hilight due to stupid network ... I'm usually around between 20 - 24 local time (currently CEST)
21:48:18soapok, well then maybe tonight, but likely tomorrow I'll try to catch you to discuss questions.
21:48:31soapI need to finish some stuff still here.
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22:18:10saratogaLlorean: I'd like to see gui boosting as a feature on all PP targets so that we can lower the core clock more
22:18:47saratogafrom my point of view its less about scrolling performance (or whatever) and more about the possibility of greater power savings
22:19:14saratogaand also giving people more incentive to optmize codecs
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22:19:46bertriki noticed there's already some kind of "button boost"
22:19:56bertrikis that related to gui boost too?
22:20:08Lloreansaratoga: My concern is WPS updates. Peakmeters need to stay smooth, and line scrolling needs to stay smooth, and alternating sublines should work skill for image animation. As long as that happens at 24mhz, I wouldn't mind.
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22:20:27Llorean*still
22:22:13LloreanIf the UI list is sluggish at 30, I'm kinda worried that the WPS won't be good at 24, but I don't have a 5G to know.
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22:22:38r4v5So I'm trying to test the USB stack with my sansa e280. It insta-panics when I plug it in, after displaying a torn white-on-blue distorted version of the 'usb connected' picture.
22:23:11Lloreanr4v5: You are aware that the USB stack can significantly corrupt the Sansa?
22:23:20r4v5i am aware, yes.
22:23:52r4v5But my understanding is that you can still recover in manfuacturer mode, yes?
22:23:55bertrikr4v5, you need to #define some symbols first (in the Makefile IIRC)
22:24:01LloreanAs in, not just resulting in corruption of the files being copied. You shouldn't be using it unless you're working on it, so when you get errors like that you should be investigating them and fixing them.
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22:26:22bertrikr4v5, in build/Makefiles you need to add -DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB to the line that says export EXTRA_DEFINES=
22:27:04saratogaLlorean: buschel put WPS updates at a couple MHz on (I believe) the G5, so smooth updating should certainly be possible in the long term, though at present I have no unit to test it on (the sansa is always fast for me)
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22:28:08r4v5bertrik: I could have sworn I did that... oops, time to rebuild.
22:28:12Lloreansaratoga: Yeah. Well, I'm only concerned about the 3.0 release at the moment, and I think this is something that can be worked out after it.
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22:28:18bluebrotherr4v5: another option is to add two lines to firmware/export/config-e200.h ...
22:28:31BuschelLlorean: can you test this one? -> http://pastebin.com/mbb34757
22:29:16saratogaLlorean: yeah I agree that 3.0 should come first
22:29:22BigBambir4v5, bertrik : You also need -DUSE_HIGH_SPEED if you want USB2
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22:29:34bertrikr4v5, I think the sources are not automatically rebuilt when the Makefile is modified
22:29:38BigBambi*if you want high speed
22:29:45Lloreansaratoga: For 3.0, I think UI boosting is an option, but lowering the unboosted should wait
22:29:55BigBambir4v5: see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb
22:29:59LloreanBuschel: Sure
22:30:19saratogaI like the GUI boosting idea for 3.0
22:31:39Lloreansaratoga: It still needs testing, and picking a good "when do I unboost?" time, and such
22:31:45LloreanDon't want it too slow or too fast.
22:31:54LloreanBut we've got time for that, for certain
22:32:05LloreanI'd also like to see Sansa charging.
22:32:15*Llorean doesn't think we should release for any targets that won't charge in Rockbox
22:32:55LloreanBuschel: My Nano boots fine with that build
22:33:14BuschelLlorean: ok, then i'll submit in a few minutes
22:33:38saratogathe Sansa charging thing is difficult since we don't really know if it matters that the charger sometimes doesn't cut off when its supposed to
22:33:57saratogain theory it doesn't matter since it should "charge" at zero current anyway, but who knows if it really does that
22:34:40Lloreansaratoga: Well, if we can't get it tested and worked out by then, maybe disable the option to charge-only so that Rockbox *always* reboots into the OF on Sansa
22:34:54LloreanI just don't want people being stuck with it seeming like it should be charging, but nothing happening.
22:35:14saratogai suppose i could make some measurements and see what the charger is actually doing, but a better solution might be to just have a failsafe that kills the charger after 3 hours no matter what so that you can't over charge the battery
22:35:23LloreanI consider that a "silent failure" which is bad for a behaviour that seems reasonable to expect for users.
22:35:32saratogai'm more concerned about blowing up a battery
22:35:50saratogai hear lipoly batteries catch fire quite easily
22:35:50Lloreansaratoga: Is there any way to query the charger, and kill it if it is in an unknown or inappropriate state?
22:36:32saratogathe charger can read the battery voltage I think (ask Bertrik he knows the details), but its really a matter of knowing how much current the battery is taking while you charge
22:36:39bertrikLlorean, there are bits to detect end-of-charge (does not always seem to get set at end of charge) and for over-temperature
22:37:02saratogabertrik: can we read the charge current?
22:37:14Lloreanbertrik: How do we know it doesn't get set at the end of charge, then?
22:37:16bertrikSomeone made some current measurements during charge, I really need to look closer at them
22:37:25LloreanI mean, if it's not set, what other clue do we have that tells us it didn't get set at the right time/
22:37:53bertrikLlorean, because it seemingly never stops charging while the voltage keeps floating at the termination voltage
22:38:11LloreanCan we just query the voltage every 15 minutes then, and terminate it ourselves?
22:38:16LloreanOr every X time.
22:38:20bertriksaratoga, no, we cannot measure the current AFAIK
22:38:39LloreanLike, if the voltage is above X value for X queries, kill it.
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22:39:19saratogait would make sense that theres no resistor in series, it'd waste power and be difficult to calibrate
22:40:04saratogaLlorean: I would assume rockbox could fork a thread that does that, but i don't know much about how that sort of tihng works
22:40:04bertrikLlorean, I don't know if that's a good way of shutting down
22:40:21saratogai'd be happy with a fixed time out for the charger
22:40:25bertrikMaybe I just need to experiment a bit more
22:40:30saratogatheres really no reason to charge for more then 3 or 4 hours anyway
22:40:54Lloreansaratoga: But if a battery is only down 10% and someone gets the "it doesn't cut off" problem, 3 or 4 hours can be a long time
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22:41:08bertriksaratoga, yeah most charging algorithms say that the charger should also have a time limit
22:41:35saratogaLlorean: as the battery charges the impedance rises, so the current delivered drops anyway
22:41:42LloreanInstead of a fixed time, can we approximate a reasonable maximum based on percentage?
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22:42:19saratogain theory it'd deliver no current at all if the battery is already charged, but in practice it'll still give it some, which is why we should guard against the possibility of someone leaving it charging for a month with the charger trickling a couple mA continuously
22:42:31LloreanAaaah
22:42:41saratogai don't think theres any risk here, mostly just that you'd slowly degrade the battery
22:42:47LloreanWell, as long as the people more knowledgeable than me say "this solution ought to be good enough" :)
22:43:03saratogawell to be fair i read a couple papers on lipoly charging, but i'm not really an expert
22:43:13LloreanStill, much more knowledge than I have.
22:43:33LloreanBut we can debate what to do as we get closer to the freeze, if the status of the patch hasn't changed much.
22:43:42saratogashould probably measure (or find if someone else did this) what the long term current trends to
22:44:19saratogamight actually be worth intentionally overcharging my battery just to see how much current it will really trickle with
22:44:34Lloreansaratoga: They sell replacements anyway, right?
22:44:40saratogayes they're dirt cheap
22:44:56bertrikOther more minor leftover problems:
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22:45:27LloreanKnow the tracker number for Sansa charging, by chance?
22:45:27bertrik1) Using the RTCSUPP voltage now to monitor charging voltage as the official BVDD channels seems to give garbage (too high) voltage
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22:46:32LloreanThanks
22:46:33bertrik2) the state machine is very simple now, otherwise it easily gets confused by transient values in the charger status registers
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22:46:55*Llorean adds "Due in 3.0"
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22:47:57saratogabertrik: confused how? like it needs some debouncing?
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22:49:24bertrikthe temperature-high bit gets set during plugin, making charging stop immediately IIRC
22:50:32r4v5when it stops charging does it then run off of usb power or start draining the battery again?
22:51:02preglowLlorean: has there been any discussions on what targets to release 3.0 for?
22:51:15bertrikr4v5, I think it keeps running from the USB and does not drain the battery
22:51:24Lloreanpreglow: The ideal is "everything supported, unless specific ones have target-specific showstoppers"
22:51:30preglowhrm
22:51:36LloreanPersonally, I'm against any that have charging issues.
22:51:46preglowi think i'd still be a bit bothered with shipping anything that needs usb hacks
22:51:52preglowand i agree on the charging
22:51:56LloreaniPod Disk Mode isn't bad, I think
22:51:59LloreanI'm not sure about the H10s.
22:52:08saratogathe sansa disk mode isn't a big deal actually
22:52:13preglowwell, we don't do ipod charging yet, do we?
22:52:18saratogawhile i'd like to see USB support, it works well enough that I don't really care
22:52:22preglowthat is, properly
22:52:22bertrikI think the current workaround with the bootloader booting into OF when USB is connected is quite acceptable
22:52:25Lloreanpreglow: I'm pretty sure we do charge on iPod now.
22:52:48preglowLlorean: properly, full-on fast charging?
22:52:55LloreanAnd actually, I've used the USB stack some with my nano without any problems. And it works great on my Gigabeast, though that's not PP.
22:53:19Lloreanpreglow: Well, it requests full current from the PC. I haven't timed it to see how long it takes though, so I don't know if it's a sansa-like situation where there's something else throttling it.
22:53:33preglowhmm, ok
22:53:46preglowwell, that makes ipod release sound better for me, then
22:53:49pixelmawell... booting into OF is another problem as it doesn't always work reliably from a running Rockbox. I don't think that was addressed...
22:53:51LloreanBut that'll be one thing to check on.
22:53:59Lloreanpixelma: Yeah, we need to get back to solid rebooting
22:54:13LloreanAnd if possible figure out a way to keep it from reporting missing drivers.
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22:54:31LloreanAgain though, if "charging while using Rockbox" doesn't work, I think an option is to just disable that and always reboot to disk mode.
22:54:32preglowi wonder if the bug with the hold switch sometimes messing up other buttons is there on ipods
22:54:37preglowhaven't used my nano in a good while
22:54:46Lloreanpreglow: Haven't seen any recent reports of it, at least.
22:55:14LloreanAnother option with 3.0 is to designate two categories of targets.
22:55:21Llorean"Release" and "Beta" taregets
22:55:22Lloreantargets
22:55:30LloreanBeta ones being those that work, but not as well as the full release ones.
22:55:35LloreanThat'd be most of our portalplayer pals.
22:56:23preglowhm
22:56:39preglowwell, i guess that's a decent enough idea
22:56:44pixelmaI've recently seen "scrollwheel doesn't work right after switching hold off" myself on amiconn's Mini
22:57:14saratogawhats holding up USB anyway?
22:57:21saratogajust the hub issue or is it worse then that?
22:57:29Lloreansaratoga: Just the hub issue for everything but the Sansa
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22:57:51LloreanThe Sansa has some sort of problem with the SD driver, iirc, that can result in more serious problems.
22:58:32preglowpixelma: yeah, i'm quite sure there are still wheel/button driver problems
22:59:23pixelmaLlorean, saratoga: "more serious problems" = file system corruption, I believe
22:59:28preglowaye
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23:00:09preglowsome weird-ass shit, that, i wonde rat which level it corrupts things
23:00:30preglowhmm, right, timing, pretty much has to be the controller doing something to the command/data stream
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23:01:57saratogaregarding the SD issue, it looks like its nearly fixed: FS #8663
23:02:08preglowsaratoga: yeah, but doesn't that bring up another problem?
23:02:13saratogaat least people in that thread are reporting that they can no longer get corrupted files
23:02:47saratogapreglow: not that I know of, but I haven't tried using a microsd card
23:03:15*Llorean adds another task to the due in 3.0 list.
23:03:27LloreanI'd recommend any time there's a patch or bug of interest, add "due in 3.0"
23:04:12saratogasomeone with more free time then me write a disk driver test plugin
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23:10:17Seraphilis there any work on tv-out via dock on any ipod-ports?
23:10:21Seraphilat all?
23:10:53Bagderno
23:11:27Bagderso you won't step on any toes when you start on it!
23:11:39Seraphilhehe
23:11:50Seraphila bit lacking in c++/assembly programming though
23:12:10LloreanSeraphil: Well, with nobody working on it, you've got time to learn. :)
23:12:17Seraphil:)
23:14:42shotofaddsHi guys. I've been trying to figure out why playback doesn't actually start on the D2 until the audio buffer is full. It seems that when pcmbuf_play_start() is called pcmbuf_unplayed_bytes is 0, therefore failing the 'if' condition that kicks off playback. Any ideas why this might be?
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23:16:08Horschtwarmth even
23:16:15Lloreanpreglow: Willing to help out with rbutil builds? If I recall they were short of people who could compile the mac version.
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23:16:39preglowLlorean: sure
23:17:16preglowLlorean: i'm pretty new to it still, though, but if someone can provide instructions on what to do i'm good to go
23:17:24LloreanI don't know how myself, honestly. :)
23:17:39BagderI think jd has provided a login to domonoky for that now
23:17:44LloreanI just know that they want to get a 1.0.6 release out, and the latest mac binary is still 1.0.4 because we had nobody to build 1.0.5
23:17:49LloreanAah, that's graet.
23:17:51Lloreangreat too
23:17:54Bagderthere is a 1.0.5 there now
23:18:02*Buschel finished changing his WPS'es to viewports and new progressbar
23:18:07Buschelquite a lot of work
23:18:40Buschelgood night!
23:18:41*ZincAlloy agrees
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23:19:23bertrikLlorean, I think I'll create a wiki about sansa charging with as much as possible of the information collected so far from the tracker and forums, ok?
23:19:36Lloreanbertrik: Can't hurt.
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23:25:38bluebrotherpreglow: building rbutil is fairly easy −− check RockboxUtilityDevelopment. You might also want to have a look at the osx_deploy script in the rbutilqt folder
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23:25:53bluebrotherwell, it's fairly easy as far as I know ;-)
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23:31:04r4v5what did saratoga mean by 'disk driver test'?
23:31:19*shotofadds gives up on pcmbuf.c and has a nice cup of tea instead. I'll throw my question out to the dev ml later and hope someone bites :)
23:31:35Lloreanr4v5: To help determine if bugs like the one on the Sansa are still present after attempts to fix them.
23:31:52Lloreanshotofadds: ML is a good idea for difficult questions, more people will see it.
23:34:27preglowshotofadds: still no bloody luck on seeing sd card data :/
23:37:47r4v5Llorean: yeah, but what would it do?
23:38:14pixelmaLlorean: now that your Nano is up to date and working, maybe you could check FS #8970 again? Judging from the sim which showed symptoms before, it is really fixed but I'd like confirmation from someone testing on target before closing
23:39:09pixelmaor close it yourself
23:39:30Lloreanr4v5: Not sure.
23:40:31Lloreanpixelma: I should just enter quickscreen from WPS and see if it shows WPS elements?
23:40:33r4v5i thought the corruption only happened when usb was transferred; otherwise, it wouldn't be too hard to just automate copying a file from msd to internal flash and back until it corrupts, would it?
23:41:02Lloreanr4v5: One theory is that writes happen relatively rarely in general use, so it's just significantly less likely
23:41:10preglowhrmr
23:41:18preglowanyone else tried running rockboxdev.sh on os x?
23:41:29r4v5Oh, so the bug might not be USB but simply exposed because nothing else writes enough data to trip it.
23:41:36Lloreanr4v5: Exactly
23:41:38pixelmaLlorean: it froze the Nano when the lines had to scroll (German settings had a long name, maybe you could also use a very big font to try)
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23:42:17rasherpreglow: I
23:42:24rasherpreglow: I'm pretty sure it worked at some point
23:42:44preglowsure didn't here
23:42:52preglownot one of the cross compilers got a full tool set
23:43:02pixelmahmm... wasn't there something in the bug tracker?
23:43:14Lloreanpixelma: Lines are scrolling fine, in german, in WPS quickscreen
23:43:27pixelmanice, thanks
23:43:29preglowm68k didn't even get a blood bin/ dir
23:44:58gevaertsshotofadds: maybe you already know this, but on 8GB D2s (or at least on mine), the NAND access is still problematic. I have to retry at least ten times to get a working boot, and it only sees about half of my audio files
23:45:55preglowyeah, mine is problematic too
23:46:01pixelmapreglow: somehow related to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9006 ? Though I have no idea...
23:46:06r4v5psh, you don't need bin/, it's purely vestigial.
23:46:52preglowpixelma: nah, that is a rockbox build, i can't even get gcc to build
23:46:58preglowpixelma: still bad, of course
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23:47:41Bagderpreglow: I'm quite sure others have ran it fine on macos
23:48:35rasherFS #6340 and FS #6499 fixed OS X related issues.
23:49:51PaulJampixelma: i just looked at the german translation and saw VOICE_QUICKSCREEN uses the english term. was that intended?
23:50:05gevaertsThe manual for the Archos Recorder says about wavplay 'This plugin is for demo purposes only. It is planned to have Wavplay as part of the normal playback engine in Rockbox version 3.1.'. Shouldn't that be 'in a later release' ?
23:50:42snagamy Sansa e280 just went into panic mode while playing a game. does anyone know how to get it out? Using Rockbox, not sure what version.
23:50:47preglowBagder: i'll see if i can dig up specifics on what went wrong
23:51:00gevaertssnaga: hold the power key for at least 20..30 seconds
23:51:09snagaok
23:51:25pixelmaPaulJam: more or less yes. I didn't find a proper expression for it and thought it would still be nicer than trying too hard to find a word that is not understood in the end. If you have a better suggestion...
23:51:43Lloreangevaerts: Well, at the time it was on the list of planned features for 3.1. That might do with reconsidering now, though.
23:52:08snagagevaerts: thanks, that worked. didn't think it needed to be that long...
23:52:37gevaertsLlorean: exactly. Especially since the revised policy of releasing what's there and not what we would like to be there
23:53:08Lloreangevaerts: Well, we can leave it as "it is planned"
23:53:17gevaertsLlorean: OK. I'll fix it
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23:53:25LloreanFixing it is good too.
23:53:26LloreanEither way
23:55:18LloreanOn a note related to upcoming cleanups, do we want to start more aggressively closing old feature requests, and only keep ones that we'd have "sponsored" under the new system?
23:55:30Bagderyes
23:56:22PaulJampixelma: not really. maybe "Schnelleinstellungen"? sounds silly somehow, but i'm not sure how german voice synthesis would handle the english "Quickscreen".
23:56:30gevaertsHow do we do that ? The problem I see is that "we" don't sponsor, individual devs do, and they will disagree on what should stay
23:57:01Lloreangevaerts: Easy, we close them all
23:57:12Bagdergevaerts: if we'd close one too many, we can always re-open or re-enter if a dev shows up and sponsors it
23:57:14LloreanThen anyone interested in looking for one can go through the closed ones and reopen any. :-P
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23:57:28gevaertsThat's true.
23:57:38*gevaerts withdraws his objections
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