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#rockbox log for 2008-07-10

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00:04:59stripwaxHow about "Build is not complete and may not work and/or may have missing standard features, are you sure you want to continue?"
00:05:07stripwax(for some values of 'complete' of course..)
00:05:17stripwaxoops, ^have^be
00:05:46gevaertsBasically, but I really want some details about what's actually missing in that message
00:07:02Lloreangevaerts: Maybe a link to a page unique for that build describing its missing "normal" features
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00:08:19gevaertsLlorean: for full details, sure. But if it's just "You need an SD card", or "You need to reboot to the OF for file transfer" I think the dialog is big enough. It's not as if these limitations change often anyway
00:08:57Lloreangevaerts: But on a full page we could then expand the consequences of that limitation, and what not to file bug reports about.
00:09:29LloreanMaybe "You need an SD card. [Why?]" with that being the link.
00:09:46gevaertsGood idea.
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00:12:22scorche|shrocky!
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00:22:32stripwaxsaratoga - hi! I put up the profiling patch
00:26:54shotofaddsHaving read the last half hour's log, I'm pretty much in agreement with those last comments. A Not-Quite-Supported section with suitable warnings (both on the website and rbUtil) sounds like a good point to aim for, if and when we ever reach that stage.
00:27:43shotofaddsLlorean: for clarification, I created that To Do list so that anyone coming along would know which areas to have a look at, not as any kind of ambitions of being a supported target...
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00:28:07shotofaddsthat intention hass already paid off tonight, with ThibG's lcd_blit_yuv() patch :-)
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00:43:06saratogastripwax: I'll try and take a look at some point in the next few days
00:43:15saratogain the mean time, i don't suppose you have profiled any codecs?
00:44:13stripwaxyeah, lame with a bit of additional instrumentation fiddling added to remove some of the inlined code and instrumented wrappers around the asm routines. but no surprises.
00:44:50stripwaxother than mad_bit_skip and mad_bit_read taking about 15% of the ticks, which seemed high
00:44:50saratogastripwax: can you pastebin it?
00:44:55stripwaxsure.. one sec
00:45:03stripwax^lame^libmad, whoops
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00:47:32MarcGuayThis might be old news but I just came across a plugin for IDA-Pro that tries to convert ASM to C: http://desquirr.sourceforge.net/desquirr/
00:48:15preglowpretty old
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00:48:18preglowdoes it still work?
00:49:54MarcGuayUsing it with 5.2 and it's producing code. I'm not competent enough to say whether it's working properly, though.
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01:02:00stripwaxsaratoga : http://pastebin.ca/1067317
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01:08:53stripwaxwithout tweaking the code to turn off inlining on some of those fns and adding c wrappers for the sam, you don't get any breakdown of the III_decode routine, just a single big entry called III_decode
01:08:57stripwax^sam^asm
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01:41:27Strife89I get this feeling that rockboxdev.sh is running 'round in circles. How long would one estimate the script needs before it has installed binutils and GCC? (~800 MHz processor).
01:42:39saratogaStrife89: on a machine that slow you're going to be waiting a very long time
01:42:53Strife89Go figure, huh?
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01:44:24scorche|shjust have patience
01:45:55Strife89I pretty much learned patience with Windows and my 10 and 8 year old computers. :)
01:46:13Strife89I was just nervous, that's all.
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01:48:23stripwaxwould it be quicker to install vmware/cygwin (delete as appropriate)?
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01:49:10scorche|shunless you are on dialup, probably (but then again, it sounds as if he is on linux)
01:51:27Strife89Might as well ask: How much disk space should I count on being used?
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02:13:03allelestupid question, but rockbox performs integer division when dividing integers, right?
02:13:47saratogaallele: it can
02:14:31alleledoes it do that by default when dividing integers?
02:15:12saratogaallele: yes
02:15:20saratogawell technically gcc does
02:15:51saratogasince it handles all the c language features
02:16:26alleleok, thanks
02:30:27stripwaxallele - some (most) devices that run rockbox don't have hardware float units so everything is integer when it comes down to it
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02:38:00alleledoes anyone know if the microsd cards on the sansa e200 stick out of the side when they are plugged into it?
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02:57:14zeallele: not saying they don't because i've no idea... however, imo it'd be horrible and braindead design if they couldn't get a *micro*sd to go all the way into something...
02:57:44zehell i think if you could manage to cut the slot for it, you could fit a microsd into a US penny
02:57:47ze:p
02:58:03zedefinately a nickel at least
02:58:46alleleyeah, that makes sense, thanks
02:59:38MarcGuayallele: You may want to search google images to be sure.
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03:04:51alleleI tried searching in the past, haven't seen images with the card sticking out, so chances are it won't, worst case I can live with the 8gigs onboard if I'm in a situation the card would break sticking out
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03:51:04guest67JdGordon: there?
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04:07:00JdGordonguest67: ?
04:08:09guest67JdGordon: please review the changes you did in r17872 again. To me they don't really make sense and i'm experiencing a problem since that revision: when no charger is connected to my H300 and the sleep timer reaches zero then the device doesn't shut down anymore, only music stops and the screen turns off. this behaviour should only happen when a charger is connected.
04:08:38guest67http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/powermgmt.c?r1=17871;r2=17872;pathrev=17872
04:09:58JdGordonhmm.. yep your right.. an extra ! got in there
04:11:27JdGordonguest67: can you compile your own builds?
04:12:29guest67could you also have a look at the #if line? it looks like normal variables are used in there. and there is no code between the #if and #endif.
04:12:38guest67yes i can compile
04:12:57JdGordonremove the ! from line 470 and let me know if that fixes it?
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04:17:43guest67ok. (btw, ignore what i wrote about the #if line)
04:20:07JdGordonI did :p
04:30:14allelehypothetical question, is it more efficient to multiply a number by -1 to negate it or to subtract it from zero?
04:30:52JdGordonblaa = -blaa;
04:31:40guest67JdGordon: shutdown when not charging works. ill test with normal- and USB charging next.
04:32:00JdGordon99% sure it should work fine
04:32:04JdGordonthanks for pointing out
04:33:14guest67now that i looked at the code with syntax highlighting (and thus understand it) i'm thinking that too.
04:33:32JdGordonthat was a bad copy/paste mistake
04:33:36JdGordonfixed now
04:33:52safetydanallele: let the compiler sort that out. Write what's clearest.
04:34:35alleleso prettymuch either are as efficient on my end?
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04:37:57d1sturbWhen using the convbdf to make a font, what size do I make it?
04:40:47guest67JdGordon: just to confirm, while charging everything works as expected too. thanks.
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04:41:30webguest25i need help with a sansa e270
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04:42:14webguest84can anyone help
04:42:30guest67you need to tell the problem first.
04:43:37webguest84ok, i attempted to load rockbox, it even said rockbox loaded on the sansa
04:43:52webguest84vanilla detected or something like that was also on there
04:44:04guest67what is "it"?
04:44:17webguest84then screen
04:44:20webguest84the*
04:44:20scorchei still dont see any problem
04:44:37webguest84well, now it only loads up the Sandisk start up screen
04:44:45webguest84and my computer won't recognize it
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04:45:26advcomp2019are you booting into the sansa firmware?
04:45:50webguest84like, by holding << ?
04:46:05advcomp2019yes
04:46:08webguest84i tried that, doesn't work
04:46:15webguest84neither does recovery mode
04:48:50webguest84my computer will recognize it in manufacture mode, but i can't look at it still, i believe it is finding it through libusb if that helps any
04:48:51safetydanallele: clear is more important than fast for 99% of code
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04:49:39allelewhat about the other 1%? :P
04:49:57LloreanYou write it in ASM
04:50:14webguest84?
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04:50:32allelealrighty clear it is :-D
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04:50:44webguest84any ideas
04:50:56Lloreanwebguest84: If you can boot it to the Sandisk logo, there's no reason Recovery mode shouldn't work. What happens when you try recovery mode?
04:51:06webguest84i'm just trying to get this thing back to factory settings
04:51:23webguest84when i try recovery mode, it goes to the sandisk logo, and freezes up
04:51:36webguest84wait no
04:52:25webguest84its says key locked, system shutdown and it turns off
04:52:32allelehehehe
04:52:37alleleremove hold buddy
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04:52:56Lloreanwebguest84: Then you aren't doing it exactly as per the instructions.
04:53:24webguest84nevermind, thats with hold on, with hold off it just freezes at sandisk
04:53:29Lloreanallele: Please don't give advice when you don't know the exact details.
04:53:37LloreanHold is supposed to be on.
04:54:01Lloreanwebguest84: Please, describe in your own words exactly what buttons you're pressing. You're not doing it right (hold IS supposed to be on) but I need to know how you describe what you're doing.
04:54:57advcomp2019webguest84, you forgot the button
04:55:11webguest84pressing and holding the bottom button, the one with the one long line and three shorter ones under it
04:55:21webguest84then plugging the usb to the pc
04:55:35JdGordonhold the rec button if you want recovery mode
04:55:53webguest84oh eff
04:56:09webguest84stupid sleeve my wife put on this thing hides that dang button
04:56:36webguest84haha thanks guys
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05:01:36webguest84GREAT SUCCESS!!!
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05:23:22JdGordonLlorean: any reason why the feature forum isnt sorted by most recent post?
05:23:55LloreanJdGordon: Glitchy defaults when I create new forums. Un momento
05:24:48JdGordon:)
05:25:19LloreanBoards get created with the default as "Sort by first post" while the overall forum default is set to "Sort by newest post"
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05:29:22JdGordonthats a bit odd
05:30:50donsdlWhen I plug my Sansa E2xx into USB the screen always said "connected". But the last two or three times it says "writing". Do I have a problem?
05:31:10JdGordonno
05:31:22JdGordonjust dont unplug it if it is says writing
05:33:17donsdlIt said "writing" when I plugged it in last night, and said "writing" this morning. I used it today and when I plugged it in this evening a couple of hours ago, it said "writing" and it still does.
05:34:44LloreanFrankly, the message "Writing" is something that occurs due to the communication between the original firmware and your PC's operating system.
05:34:55LloreanIt's not really something to do with Rockbox, or that Rockbox can do anything about
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05:35:31donsdlHmmm. The original firmware should not have changed though.
05:35:41JdGordondonsdl: just remember to eject it and your fine
05:36:50donsdlJdGordon: Ah, as in the "Safely Remove Hardware" in Windows? I always do that.
05:36:54Lloreandonsdl: The OF can be just as buggy as it likes, though.
05:37:14saratogai'd expect val = val*-1 and val = 0-val to both give the same assembly code since arm has an op for negation
05:37:37donsdlI've had the Sansa for about a year. I don't think it has done that in the past.
05:37:59saratogaif you're not actually writing what the sansa screen says is irrelevent
05:38:15donsdlBut I will not worry since it played fine today.
05:38:31saratogadon't know how coldfire handles those things
05:38:31donsdlThanks for the help, guys.
05:40:35Lloreansaratoga: I would assume if the compiler simplifies them both down to the appropriate op on ARM, it'll hopefully pick the most appropriate method on coldfire too
05:40:46d1sturbw00t. made my own theme, some fonts, and repaired the code in the wps's. :)
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09:04:02B4gderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/07/10/rockbox-on-the-onda-vx747/
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09:06:38LloreanFor US people, the Onda is pretty darn cheap at amazon right now, too
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09:12:22*amiconn is interested in that new architecture entering the rockbox world
09:12:34amiconnIf only that thing wouldn't use a touchscreen... :/
09:17:54JdGordonLlorean: how much?
09:18:42JdGordon$60 for 4gb aint bad
09:18:44LloreanJdGordon: Actually, I'm pretty sure it's not actually one.
09:19:05LloreanAt least, you get there when you search for it, but nothing on that page actually refers to it as such.
09:20:50JdGordon$90 on some random mp4global site
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09:27:03peturbah, yet another target without line-in :/
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09:27:36peturI wonder what's inside the iriver E100
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09:33:41B4gderit is a bit strange that we don't know that yet
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09:53:17B4gderyeah I did too
09:57:22adamgoldingrockbox boots but the OF will not, trying to boot the OF just hangs at the apple for awhile and then restarts (5.5G)
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10:00:15advcomp2019i do not know if enzo still has his iriver e100 but he might open his.. i will not guarantee he will open it
10:08:10markunI see an 8GB ondia VX757 for 80 euro, I wonder if it's powered by the same CPU.
10:09:24markun"Also the Onda vx747 and the vx757 all have this same chip AKA 'ChinaChip' as well. The Onda vx767 is the First PMP to use the JZ4740 chip."
10:09:43markunaccording to http://www.allpmp.net/archiver/tid-1242.html
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10:13:13pondlifeVoice clips seem to be getting cut off more than ever at the moment. Not just .talk clips, but menus too.
10:13:38pondlifeAny way we can play the rbspeex output on a PC to check if it's the clip generation or playback that's the problem?
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10:18:01Lloreanpondlife: Try voice with music playing.
10:18:07pondlifeGood idea
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10:18:12LloreanIf it's the old bug still around, you'll get the full clip when music is playing, but cut when music isn't.
10:18:46pondlifeYep, that's the one - only seems worse to me
10:18:52pondlifeProbably in my imagination though
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10:24:22timonatorhello folks
10:24:25gevaertspondlife: a few days before devcon amiconn noticed flacs getting cut off as well
10:24:47timonatori think i just bricked this ipod nano here, it won't boot up any more at all, what can i do to check its status and/or (hopefully) revive it?
10:24:56pondlifeSo maybe it's a general PCM flushing issue?
10:25:06pondlifeSeems ok on the sim, but not on H300
10:25:19gevaertstimonator: if it doesn nothing at all, the recommended way is to let it charge for a very lon time first (a full day)
10:25:46timonatorO_O
10:25:55timonatorbut its battery was _full_
10:26:22timonatorit said 8 and a half hours of battery life left
10:26:36GodEaternevertheless, this is the advice we give
10:26:49gevaertsYou can try the hard reset procedure first (can't remember the key combination off-hand though)
10:27:01GodEaterMenu+Select
10:27:05pondlifeToggle hold, then hold MENU+SELECT for ages
10:27:15timonatorwhat does hard reset do? is it just a "reboot" like thing?
10:27:18pondlifeYep
10:27:19GodEateryes
10:27:30timonatorok. toggle lock so it showd red, right?
10:27:36*pondlife will let GodEater advise further as he actually has an iPod...
10:27:38gevaertsNo, on and off again
10:27:55timonatorah, great
10:28:01timonatorit came back to life, thanks!
10:28:21GodEateronce again, another "bricked" ipod =/
10:28:30gevaertsOK, then it was probably stuck with backlight off
10:28:48timonatorwill it show absolutely nothing when the backlight is off?
10:28:51*pondlife would offer someone with a bricked iPod a couple of quid for it...
10:29:03GodEaterme too - shame there's pretty much no such thing
10:29:10timonatorhah, ok
10:29:15gevaertstimonator: try it. Wait until the backlight turns off, and try to read the screen
10:29:18pondlifeShh, stop telling them that, or I'll never get my bargain.
10:29:54gevaertspondlife: there was someone with a bricked ipod nano a few months ago. ATA transfers with one stuck bit
10:30:04pixelmagevaerts: the Nano's (and other colour Ipods') display is quite readable without backlight
10:30:10pondlifeWooh, sounds hardware-y
10:30:14GodEaterthat was cured with a "pull out the battery" and refit it
10:30:14gevaertsah, ok
10:30:25GodEateri.e. still not bricked
10:30:27timonatorgevaerts: when it does that i can easily read it
10:30:39timonatoror does the apple firmware (which is currently running) not turn it off?
10:30:48gevaertstimonator: ok, then I was wrong. No idea where it got stuck then
10:31:11*gevaerts doesn't have a nano
10:36:48*pondlife has a broken(?) Nano - need to work out how to open it to remove the battery
10:37:02pondlifeIt just whistles when I attempt to charge it, so not sounding good
10:37:14timonatorso, when i have the nano plugged in into my linux box it says "please don't disconnect", even if i unmount the device, is is still OK to remove the ipod once all stuff was written to its disk?
10:37:20pondlifeThe backlight comes on, but no other sign of life
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10:38:47GodEatertimonator: you need to "eject" it too
10:39:06GodEaterpondlife: ipod battery replacement kits usually come with a couple of tools for opening ipods
10:39:12GodEaterI have some lying around here for example
10:39:20GodEaterit's still a bloody fiddly job though
10:39:29pondlifeI don't think it'll be fixable, so don't plan to spend cash on it.
10:39:33timonatoroh, i'll try that, didn't think of it at all, haha
10:39:56GodEaterwell bring it alone to the next devconpub
10:39:59GodEaterand I'll bring the tools
10:40:01GodEaterand we can have a go
10:40:06pondlifeI suspect it's got a blown capacitor or something... the high-pitched whistle is very loud
10:40:10timonatorbring it alone, no cops
10:40:44pondlifeSounds like a good reason to organise another DevConPub though ;)
10:40:54GodEateris there ever a bad reason ? :)
10:41:00pondlifeOf course not
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10:46:37Nico_Pgevaerts: nice work on r17997 :)
10:47:13Nico_Pdo you think the hub issue is serious enough to block enabling the USB stack in 3.0?
10:48:38timonatoraaw crap. amarok thinks, that it has to turn audio files into mp3 format in order to play them on this ipod and it doesn't seem like i can talk it out of it :(
10:49:24peturdrag&drop never tries to do that ;)
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10:50:37timonatoryou mean just putting the stuff onto the filesystem?
10:50:54pondlifeThat's the normal way....
10:51:31timonatorso i drop it right into the filesystems root or into whatever folder i wish to have it in?
10:51:37pondlifeYes
10:51:58pondlifeBest if you can have a folder structure though
10:52:03timonatori wasn't aware the "database" rockbox uses was distinct from the database the ipod uses
10:52:08pondlifee.g. \artist\album
10:52:12pondlifeIt's totally different
10:52:14timonatoryes, that'd make sense
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10:52:46pondlifeIf you can do that, you can just browse files, and not use the database.
10:54:20timonatorgreat, amarok does that when i tell it, the ipod is just a "generic music player"
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11:02:57gevaertsNico_P: I don't know yet. I think we need an option to disable it at least
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11:04:56Nico_Pgevaerts: I think it would be good to include it and warn people that it has issues with hubs
11:05:11Nico_Pit does work most of the time
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11:08:58pondlifeGodEater: Bad news, I've managed to remove the backplate from my Nano, so no need for a DevConPub :/
11:09:12pondlifeNo sign of charring in there though
11:09:19*JdGordon slaps pondlife
11:09:25JdGordonyou dont need a reason to goto the pub!
11:09:42*pondlife is suitably corrected
11:09:55pondlifeI'd go now, but the boss might notice...
11:10:05JdGordontake him with you :p
11:11:32gevaertsNico_P: I'll try to work on making it an option tonight, and maybe a bit tomorrow.
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11:13:18pondlifegevaerts: Option for what? Use Rockbox or OF for USB? Or highspeed/fullspeed?
11:14:08gevaertspondlife: rockbox or OF
11:14:20pondlifeOK, thanks
11:14:29gevaertsNo sense in having too many options. If high speed doesn't work, use the OF
11:15:19Nico_Pis high speed as reliable as full speed on all targets?
11:15:37gevaertsIt should be
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11:45:19safetydanthis git + svn thing takes a while to get your head around
11:46:11MU{lappy}how so?
11:47:08safetydanwell not only are you learning to use a dvcs, but you're also trying to interact with the old vcs
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11:47:18safetydanthat, and git can be a little cryptic
11:51:11MU{lappy}agreed there, i was Doing It Wrong w/ git for managing custom kernel patchsets for ages :/
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13:32:56Strife89I know most of you are probably asleep, but, here
13:33:12Strife89*here's hoping you get this. :)
13:33:23gevaertsactually not. We're all at work :)
13:33:35Strife89Ah. :)
13:33:41B4gderat work, sleeping...
13:33:53mcuelenaereJdGordon, markun, amiconn and other jz4732 interested people: here's a link with players running the chipset (which the port is aimed at): http://mp4wiki.com/index.php?title=Category:JZ4732_Chipset_Players
13:34:09Strife89B4gder:You need it, huh? :)
13:34:51Strife89Anyway, I used the rockboxdev.sh script to install the necessary components for cross compiling for ARM targets.......
13:35:23Strife89And then I lost my network connection.
13:35:43B4gdermcuelenaere: I'm not sure you noticed, but I posted about your progress on my blog to get you some further attention
13:35:46Strife89No amount of reboots would restore it (Wi-Fi G)
13:36:47mcuelenaereB4gder: yes I read the logs, that's why I posted that link targeted at those people
13:36:55B4gderok
13:36:56mcuelenaerethanks for the post btw
13:38:52GodEaterStrife89: are you accusing rockboxdev.sh of deleting your wifi connection ?
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13:40:36Strife89No
13:41:17Strife89But I'm wondering if the script's operations may have changed something related to my network connections.
13:42:06Strife89I haven't reset the router yet. (I'll try it when my brother wakes up; my Linux bot is in our room.)
13:42:09B4gdernot likely, no
13:42:13Strife89*box
13:42:22B4gderit installs stuff in the prefix the script says
13:42:32B4gderwhich is /usr/local/[arch]-lef/ by default
13:42:37B4gderelf even
13:42:55B4gderpossibly it filled your disk or similar
13:43:12Strife89I've got 3.2 GB free at last count.
13:43:16GodEateror pushed you over the limit your ISP imposes on your downloads
13:43:42Strife89If that were the case, I couldn't be logged on IRC right now.
13:44:10GodEaterthe only thing rockboxdev.sh does is download files, and then extract them, and then compile their contents
13:44:12timonatori used rbutil to "Create Voice file", does it also install it on the player? when clicking "Install Voice file" it tries to download one from the website :/
13:44:19GodEaterit does not fiddle with your network settings at all
13:45:01Strife89The odd thing is that my computer showed that I had a network connection, but Firefox and Pidgin simply could not connect. I couldn't browse any shared folders on our local network, either.
13:45:42Strife89But the problem exposed itself during the installation, so I can't help but think that it's related. :(
13:46:35GodEaterso what network connection are you currently talking to us over then?
13:46:37B4gderStrife89: you can easily check out the script and see for yourself that the timing must've been a coincidence
13:46:38*GodEater is confused
13:47:01Strife89GodEater: We have three PCs in the house. ;)
13:47:18Strife89The one I'm on is physically connected to our router.
13:47:51Strife89B4gder: I rebooted the PC three times to no avail. :(
13:48:04GodEaterwhat has that to do with anything ?
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13:49:17Strife89If I reboot that many times and still can't get a connection.....
13:49:36GodEaterthen perhaps it's not your PC which is at fault ?
13:50:14Strife89I have no way of knowing if any other PC had a connection at the time.
13:50:39*GodEater wonders why so many people remain convinced that "rebooting is the answer"
13:50:39B4gderwhy would that matter?
13:50:55B4gderStrife89: it could just be the wifi of your router that died
13:51:23B4gderor your wifi card in your PC died
13:51:26Strife89Time to pull out my laptop, then.
13:51:49GodEaterin any case, it's not rockboxdev.sh's fault, and is thoroughly offtopic
13:52:03Strife89B4gder: The PC indicated that it was connected to the router.
13:52:12Strife89GodEater: Alright, I'll shut up.
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14:16:18timonatorwill rockbox find the music files (on my ipod nano) in /iPod_Control/Music/*/ ?
14:16:25timonatorit seems like it won't
14:17:15GodEateryes it will
14:17:33timonatorhmm. what do i have to do? neither update database nor initialize database cause any changes at all
14:17:42B4gderGodEater: I noticed the dav thing for git over http too, but I think it doesn't matter to people as long as they can use http:// to get stuff
14:17:45GodEateryou can either get it to "find" them by setting "View file types" to "All"
14:17:51timonatorah, i have to restart the pod. duh :X
14:18:03GodEateror you can simply intialise the database, and then let it find them on it's own
14:18:22GodEaterB4gder: I'd be keen to see that in action
14:18:37B4gderyes, I'll try to get some poking on that soonish
14:18:39GodEaterbeing able to push is still not as issue for me as a non-commiter still
14:18:45timonatoroh, it seems like it still has the old entries that i deleted?
14:18:49*timonator investigates
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14:19:23timonatoryes, there's entries in the DB that it can't play (as the files don't exist any more)
14:19:26timonatorwhat do i do about those?
14:19:31GodEatertimonator: might be an idea to run "disk_tidy" plugin too - it cleans out the contents of the windows recycle-bin which might have been left on your ipod
14:19:46GodEatertimonator: an in that case, update the database again
14:20:27timonator"cleaned up 0 items"
14:20:37timonator(set the files to clear to "all" before i started it)
14:21:15*GodEater as a died in the wool rockbox file browser user, has no more advice to offer, as he's never used the database ever.
14:21:28timonatorhmm
14:22:03*B4gder sits down to tell stories from the old days when there was no database...
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14:22:40advcomp2019timonator, what kind of files are you using
14:22:55timonatorogg and mp3
14:23:31*GodEater wonders what .ogg files are doing in the iPod_Control/Music folders in the first place
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14:23:46timonatori uploaded them with amarok
14:24:11*timonator starts from scratch
14:26:18Strife89In other news, I recently began to take advantage of the SPC "codec". :D
14:26:53mcuelenaeredoes anyone know what could trigger this behaviour? http://imagebin.ca/view/B85IfgW.html
14:26:59mcuelenaerethe code is here: http://pastebin.com/d607f165d
14:28:43Strife89Looks like an Atari gone bad. :(
14:28:45Strife89;)
14:30:05LambdaCalculus37Gah! My eyes are bleeding at that image!
14:30:12LambdaCalculus37mcuelenaere: What is that, anyway?
14:30:26mcuelenaereonda vx747: trying to figure out what's wrong with the lcd driver
14:31:27mcuelenaerethis one is perhaps more clear: http://imagebin.ca/view/osiMeS7Q.html
14:32:01B4gdermcuelenaere: so what have you attempted to put on the screen?
14:32:20mcuelenaereediting the framebuffer directly works, but doing it through lcd-16bit.c doesn't
14:32:30bertrikthe problem is the rectangular black area , right?
14:32:36mcuelenaereI've once got some text on it
14:32:39B4gderisn't that a sign of wrong RGB bits?
14:32:42mcuelenaereyes, indeed the rectangle isn't like a rectangle
14:32:51mcuelenaereI tried RGB565 and RGB565SWAPPE
14:32:55mcuelenaereSWAPPED*
14:33:13mcuelenaerethe latter comes closest to the intented behaviour
14:33:17B4gderI think you should start with filling parts of the framebuffer with known values
14:33:23B4gderto figure out exactly how the bits work
14:33:30mcuelenaerehmm k
14:33:51B4gderit could just as well be 555 or other variations as well
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14:35:10B4gderare you sure it is 16bit?
14:35:36B4gderas opposed to 24 or 32 I mean
14:36:06mcuelenaerehmm the lcd data bus is initialised as 16bit
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14:37:00mcuelenaereSLCD_CFG_DWIDTH_16 & SLCD_CFG_CWIDTH_16BIT are set
14:37:13B4gderthat sounds like 16bit then
14:37:13mcuelenaereI think datawidth = 16 & c?width = 16bit
14:38:10mcuelenaerebut the problem is, now that I've changed l.76 to lcd_framebuffer[i][j] = LCD_RGBPACK(0,255,0); it does nothing
14:38:32mcuelenaereso it seems to me there's still some underlying problem with the compiler or aligning or something like that
14:39:19B4gderignore the pack macro for a while and set fixed values like 0, 0xff00 and 0xffff etc
14:39:54mcuelenaereeven those do nothing
14:39:55B4gdersee if you can figure out the bits for red blue green like that
14:39:59B4gderoh
14:40:24mcuelenaerenow I'm trying to add an extra line so there's extra code, but I think gcc is optimising the other away
14:40:37mcuelenaereperhaps I should add some dummy data to the binary and see what that gives
14:41:02B4gderyou can always objdump the object file to see what gcc made of it
14:41:48mcuelenaereor use IDA on bootloader.elf
14:42:13B4gderyeah, that works too
14:43:08mcuelenaereah the device doesn't disconnect from USB so it doesn't reach l.67
14:43:17mcuelenaeremeaning the code is stopped somewhere
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14:44:44mcuelenaereI just can't see what's the difference of replacing LCD_RGBPACK(i,k,j) with 0 or 0xff or whatever
14:45:03mcuelenaereit requires less code, so perhaps that's a problem? aligning?
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14:46:35B4gderthe rgbpack converts to a fixed value as well so it shouldn't be any less code
14:47:09mcuelenaerenot if variables are used
14:47:18B4gdertrue
14:47:52B4gderbut still, I can't see why code size would matter there all of a sudden
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14:48:30mcuelenaereI don't know, it's just a guess; what else could be the cause?
14:48:46B4gderI don't know...
14:50:14mcuelenaereok, I got some values: when I do a LCD_RGBPACK(0,k,0) with k going from 0 to 0xFF it's first black and then goes to red
14:50:23mcuelenaerethis is rgbpack set with RGB565SWAPPED
14:51:30mcuelenaereLCD_RGBPACK(k,0,0) nor LCD_RGBPACK(0,0,k) works
14:52:14mcuelenaere..PACK(255,k,0): blue -> purple
14:53:59B4gderso the middle one is red then
14:54:07B4gderat least parts of it
14:54:24B4gderand the first is blue
14:56:04mcuelenaeredoes anything looks strange to this? http://pastebin.com/m2acdf92e
14:57:00B4gdernot that I can spot
14:57:22mcuelenaerehmm then I'm going to compare those with the uCosII source
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15:03:25B4gderhm, looking at the bootloader gcc options for my old mips project
15:03:36B4gderit used -G 0 for example
15:03:44mcuelenaereyes I tried that but doesn't work
15:03:48mcuelenaerewhat does that switch do btw?
15:03:57B4gderPut global and static items less than or equal to num bytes into the
15:03:57B4gder small data or bss section instead of the normal data or bss section.
15:03:57B4gder This allows the data to be accessed using a single instruction.
15:04:09B4gderI wonder if that is the sbss section
15:04:36mcuelenaerecould be
15:05:03mcuelenaereuCos also uses -msoft-float, but I suppose that doesn't really matter
15:05:16B4gdernah
15:05:23B4gderonly if you use floats
15:05:43mcuelenaereright
15:06:03amiconnmcuelenaere: What k value does the screenshot show?
15:06:59mcuelenaereeh the screenshot is the pastebin'ed code
15:07:08mcuelenaereso it's somewhere between 0 and 0xFFFF :)
15:07:19mcuelenaerecurrently I can't get it really stable
15:07:36mcuelenaereif I only had the LCD working on DevCon...
15:10:33mcuelenaerethis is weird
15:10:49k4ysure it's not 32-bit?
15:10:57mcuelenaereif I add REG8(USB_REG_POWER) &= ~USB_POWER_SOFTCONN; to the exception handler I can get a constant displayed on the screen
15:11:03mcuelenaereie LCD_RGBPACK(0,255,0) is red
15:11:16mcuelenaerek4y: you mean the lcd?
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15:11:33k4yyeah, i'm just looking at 0,k,0 changing it from black to red
15:11:39mcuelenaereok 0xFF is blue
15:12:06k4ythis is an iPod touch, right?
15:12:15B4gderk4y: nope
15:12:33k4yoh, i thought that's what the device in the image pastebin was
15:12:33B4gderk4y: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/07/10/rockbox-on-the-onda-vx747/
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15:12:46mcuelenaere0 -> black, 0xFF00 yellow
15:12:49k4yah
15:12:55B4gderoh yellow
15:13:03LambdaCalculus37k4y: Nice looking device, no? :)
15:13:08k4yLambdaCalculus37: yes, indeed
15:13:13mcuelenaereand 0xFF0000 black?
15:13:23mcuelenaereweird
15:13:34mcuelenaereah of course it is only a short :)
15:14:17mcuelenaere0x0FF0 -> green
15:14:27mcuelenaereany ideas on the color format?
15:14:31B4gderyes
15:14:46B4gderbut we need to test the borders
15:15:07mcuelenaerethe borders? you mean the upper and lower limit of a short?
15:15:07B4gderwhat color is 0x40 ?
15:15:33mcuelenaereblack?
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15:16:03*gevaerts would try individual single bits, possibly alternating with black (to get some contrast)
15:16:05B4gderor just dark green?
15:16:21Strife89Figured I'd let you guys know: You were right. I reset my router and my connection works fine.
15:16:33mcuelenaereah yes possibly, very dark indeed
15:16:33GodEaterto the surprise of no-one
15:16:56mcuelenaereyep it isn't black, as I can see the garble rectangle :)
15:17:00B4gdermcuelenaere: so it is RGB, with R being the top bits and B the lower ones
15:17:10B4gderand G in the middle
15:17:18mcuelenaereand is this format already in Rockbox?
15:17:26B4gderit's just not clear how the distribution is exactly
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15:18:01mcuelenaereother values I should test?
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15:18:32B4gderhm
15:18:40gevaertsmcuelenaere: I would try all individual powers of two
15:18:48mcuelenaerek
15:19:21B4gderyes, we need to figure out if they are 5 or 6 bits for each field
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15:20:20B4gderor rather, we assume it isn't 565 since then it would work with the plain common version
15:20:50B4gderof course depending on endian on everything...
15:21:02GodEaterit wouldn't be something peculiar like 484 ?
15:21:19*B4gder recalls trying to code big-endian cpu with little-endian graphics controller
15:22:41mcuelenaereso far: 2^1->dark blue 2^2->darker blue 2^3->even darker blue 2^4->lighter blue 2^5->blue? 2^6->darker blue 2^7->darker blue?
15:23:12mcuelenaereI'm going to skip some, as these all look like they're blue
15:23:20mcuelenaere2^10 is also blue (although lighter)
15:23:59mcuelenaere2^12 is rather bright blue
15:24:18gevaertsThere must be some non-blue somewhere...
15:24:41mcuelenaereall I get is blue
15:24:52mcuelenaere2^14 is darker, 2^16 is brighter .. blue?
15:24:59B4gderwell, 0ff0 was green
15:25:05gevaerts2^16 == 2^0
15:25:56*gevaerts slaps his forehead. Of course it isn't
15:26:15gevaerts2^16 should be 0 in a 16bit
15:26:42*JdGordon hasnt read the whole log.. but.... you dont need to send 2 16bit numbers do you? and youve only found the first one?
15:26:43mcuelenaerelcd_framebuffer[i][j] = (k/2 == 1 ? 2^16 : 2 ^ 0); gives me the same color
15:26:58mcuelenaerewow the battery is getting rather hot :)
15:27:15JdGordonyep.. i should have stayed silent
15:27:17B4gderyet blue is a cool color! ;-P
15:27:39mcuelenaere2^k just gives me dark blue -> light blue
15:27:47mcuelenaereow but after some while it changes to green
15:27:48GodEatermcuelenaere: do you have a working button driver ?
15:27:56B4gderhaha
15:28:03mcuelenaereI have some buttons identified, but never tried those on the device itself
15:28:07mcuelenaerethe detection I mean
15:28:11GodEatermcuelenaere: okay never mind then ;)
15:28:19mcuelenaerebut I guess I could try
15:28:55*GodEater was wondering if you could put the value you're writing to the lcd into a loop, and then hit a button to write the value out somewhere when it reaches a "non blue" colour ;)
15:29:26mcuelenaerehmm buttons don't seem to work at first glance
15:29:43GodEaterI guess we can shelve that plan for a bit then
15:30:31mcuelenaerebut they worked some time, it's just perhaps they need to be set as input or something like that
15:30:54mcuelenaerebut I'd rather have working LCD output first, then I can do nice printf()'s ;)
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15:31:43B4gdermcuelenaere: ok, how about ramping values from 0 to 0x3f and back again
15:31:52mcuelenaereok I'll try
15:32:25B4gderhopefully that is blue only
15:32:43mcuelenaereit does black->gradually blue->instant black again->gradually blue
15:32:58mcuelenaerefor(k=0;k<0x3F;k++)
15:33:05B4gderok, that makes sense
15:33:11B4gderchange 3f to 7f
15:33:12mcuelenaeredoes it? :p
15:33:24B4gderyes, it ramps up the blue to 3f
15:33:28B4gderand then starts over at 0
15:33:29mcuelenaereso 0->7F?
15:33:45B4gderyes,
15:34:41mcuelenaereblack-blue-black-blue-black-blue-black-blue
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15:35:23B4gderI don't get that
15:35:40mcuelenaereit does the same as 0x3F, only x2
15:36:09B4gderok
15:36:46B4gderwhat about (0 to 3f) << 6
15:36:49k4ymcuelenaere: is that just for a single component to the RGB() macro?
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15:37:24B4gderthat is, all values shifted so that the 6 lower bits aren't used
15:37:35mcuelenaerek4y: those values are not in a RGB() macro
15:37:55k4ymcuelenaere: okay
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15:38:11B4gderwell, we're basically trying to figure out how the RGB() macro should be constructed for this
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15:38:39mcuelenaereB4gder: blue :)
15:38:46mcuelenaereit's the same as the previous
15:38:54mcuelenaereah no srry, no it changes to green
15:38:54B4gderwow
15:39:05mcuelenaereafter a while it does light blue -> green
15:39:29mcuelenaereI can film the behaviour if you want to see it
15:39:34B4gderI'd thought 6 bits should be enough to get out of the blue ;-)
15:39:36mcuelenaereit ends in light blue
15:39:37*GodEater would be curious to see this
15:41:21B4gderI'm off for now
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15:41:27*amiconn expects just some unusual bit packing
15:43:17mcuelenaereGodEater: http://www.2shared.com/file/3573582/ca44ee38/Film_2.html
15:43:42mcuelenaereor http://www.mediafire.com/?myddjfi7swh
15:43:43*GodEater fully expects this to be blocked from work again
15:43:48mcuelenaere:)
15:43:56GodEateryep - both blocked :(
15:44:50mcuelenaeremcuelenaere/Film_2.wmv">http://users.telenet.be/mcuelenaere/Film_2.wmv
15:45:40k4ymcuelenaere: what does the code that produced that video look like?
15:46:05mcuelenaerehttp://pastebin.com/dbfd91e1
15:46:53mcuelenaerepay attention to the garbled rectangle and non-visible text ;)
15:48:01*GodEater sees greens a mauves in there too
15:48:10GodEaters/a/and
15:48:35k4yout of interest, is that spew above the rectangle caused by putsxy?
15:48:38mcuelenaerethe colors are a bit off though
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15:48:47mcuelenaerehmm I don't think so
15:48:50mcuelenaerelemme check
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15:49:26mcuelenaereah yes, a large bit of it is :)
15:49:48mcuelenaerenow there are just 3 lines off
15:51:06mcuelenaerelcd_fillrect(k+50, 0, 100, 240); is rather interesting: the rectangle moves, but gets smaller till the end of the screen
15:51:33k4ydoes it move in the correct direction?
15:51:59k4yor, the expected direction, rather
15:52:03mcuelenaereI suppose so, it moves towards the buttons
15:52:16mcuelenaerecurrently I don't really have an expected direction :)
15:52:27k4yi'm not sure where the buttons are :P
15:52:41mcuelenaerebut I think there's still some problems with the transfer of framebuffer->LCD RAM
15:53:00mcuelenaereperhaps the Rockbox native framebuffer needs to be converted to some other format the LCD supports
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15:54:15k4ywhat is LCD_WIDTH? 400?
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15:54:54mcuelenaerejep and LCD_HEIGHT = 240
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15:57:09k4ylcd_framebuffer is accessed as y,x?
15:57:22mcuelenaerejep, AFAICS that's the correct way?
15:57:33k4yi wouldn't know, i'm just asking
15:57:41mcuelenaereme neither
15:59:39advcomp2019i just updated the rockbox build and i am trying to fix the theme that i normally use and i am still getting issues getting it to work
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16:03:25advcomp2019here is the code of the theme i am having issues with: http://pastebin.com/m741afd71
16:05:13PaulJamcorrect the %pb tag
16:05:55mcuelenaerea short is 16bit right?
16:06:34k4ydepends on the platform, but generally yes
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16:07:57k4ymcuelenaere: if you constantly set the framebuffer to 0xc007 what colour do you get?
16:08:43mcuelenaeresome kind of red
16:08:52mcuelenaereit could be pure red
16:08:59*amiconn would probably test single bits first (full screen)
16:09:03advcomp2019PaulJam, what does it need to be because i tried different way and not luck.. unless i am not reading it right
16:09:41PaulJamadvcomp2019: see the CustomWPS wiki page.
16:10:08advcomp2019yea i am reading it.. so i need - in it?
16:10:59*mcuelenaere wonders why the OF only transports 320*240 shorts to the LCD when it's set its width clearly to 400..
16:12:49PaulJamadvcomp2019: either none or all 5 parameters must be present. you can use the "-" when the default value should be used for the parameter.
16:13:16k4yamiconn: he tried that earlier, i thought
16:14:48k4y(at least that's what i understood the whole 2^n story was about)
16:15:19mcuelenaereyes, I tried 2^n with n ranging from 0 to about 16
16:15:21mcuelenaereall blue
16:15:23amiconnNot according to the pasted code snippets. Btw, http://pastebin.com/dbfd91e1 cannot work as intended
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16:15:49amiconnIt would need k += (1<<6) to work properly
16:16:09mcuelenaereah yes you're right
16:16:38amiconnBut I'd do for (k=1; k < (1<<16); k <<= 1) for the full screen
16:16:43mcuelenaerebut first I need to figure out how to correctly transfer the framebuffer to the LCD
16:20:55k4ythe Sansa Fuze is PortalPlayer based, right?
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16:24:26advcomp2019PaulJam, thanks i am finally getting it then
16:24:36advcomp2019k4y, nope
16:25:56k4yoh, an evolution of PP then?
16:26:14k4yi'm just going by the information on the Sansa View page (i imagine the Fuze is probably fairly similar)
16:27:07advcomp2019the fuze is AMS like the clip, e200v2, and c200v2
16:27:39k4yexcuse my ignorance but what does "AMS" mean?
16:28:24advcomp2019here is a link: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html
16:29:04k4yoh the View and the Fuze aren't very similar at all then, whoops
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16:33:37k4yadvcomp2019: cool, thanks for the link
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18:24:10Buschelbetrik: (for the logs) I did the second becnh-run with your patch. the result is near to the expected result −− so, it seems like there are no additional spin-ups. but: to me it seems like some minuted are missing at the very end... normally my benchs do not end at 3-4% (or 3.5V).
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19:04:52domonokywould it be possible to offer svn acces via http or via another port ? my student can not use our svn because some ports are blocked we think...
19:07:05mcuelenaeredomonoky: there's git access, but I think you can't commit through that
19:08:01amiconnLambdaCalculus37: You have an ipod photo, correct?
19:08:19domonokyhm, but he would need commit access, when commit his wps editor... (after cleanup)
19:09:10markunI really would like to be able to commit to the git mirror
19:09:29markunbut it could lead to syncing problems maybe
19:09:35LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Yes.
19:09:54LambdaCalculus37IIRC it was purchased when it was still marketed as "iPod Photo".
19:09:55amiconnWhat's the apple model number? Is this printed somewhere on the back?
19:10:27LambdaCalculus37It's on the bottom, under the "Designed by..." line.
19:10:36LambdaCalculus37On mine, the model number is A1099.
19:10:41amiconnThing is, it might be possible to reliably distinguish a photo and a color by model number, or even by disk size
19:10:53amiconnhmm
19:11:10amiconnThe numbers I'm referring to are starting with 'M'
19:11:36amiconnBut my mini also has an 'A' number printed on the back ... so I wonder what those 'M' numbers are
19:12:33amiconnRegarding disk sizes, http://www.ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html says that the photo came as 30, 40 and 60GB, while the color came as 20 or 60GB
19:12:47LambdaCalculus37Hmmm... I've never seen an 'M' model before.
19:12:56amiconnSo if it's 30 or 40GB it must be a photo, and if it's a 20GB it must be a color. 60GB can be either
19:14:57LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Then mine is indeed an iPod color.
19:15:12amiconnoh?
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19:15:52LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Wait... scratch that...
19:18:05LambdaCalculus37This is really strange... I can't find this model number identified anywhere!
19:19:26amiconnCheck diag mode, DIAG VER?
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19:19:55amiconnMy mini G2 does have the number there (M9800)
19:20:05KeripoPlease excuse my intrusion, but is there anyone around with a Sansa with SansaLinux installed?
19:20:27LambdaCalculus37amiconn: MA079
19:20:41scorche|shKeripo: hit, and that isnt us..
19:20:45scorche|shs/hit/hi
19:21:08amiconnLambdaCalculus37: Hmm, so that's a color, and iirc the HW revision was 0x60004 ?
19:21:23domonokycan someone with a ppc mac please try this: jdgordon.info:8080/~domonoky/rbutilqt-fix.dmg">http://jdgordon.info:8080/~domonoky/rbutilqt-fix.dmg ?
19:22:09LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Yes, that's correct.
19:22:13amiconnBut still a type 0 lcd... that backs the theory that all ipod photos must be type 0
19:22:16LambdaCalculus37domonoky: Saving it now.
19:23:13LambdaCalculus37amiconn: I'm thinking that Apple may have initially built the 20GB models with type 0 LCDs, then started using type 1 later.
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19:27:05bluebrotherdomonoky: any news from your student? I managed to get the code compile on linux yesterday. It immediately crashes when trying to start it though ...
19:29:27domonokybluebrother: i just talked with him.. and told him to clean up the code, showed him the patches, etc :-)
19:29:53bluebrotherI've planned to post an updated patch to FS#
19:30:06domonokybut we have a little problem with commiting his code into our svn. He has problems accessing our svn, probably because of blocked ports...
19:30:13bluebrother... FS #9179 that makes it build on linux
19:30:29bluebrotherwell, then we should find out what exactly his problems with our svn is
19:30:47bluebrotheruntil he's fixing the code ;-)
19:31:31*gevaerts is a bit disappointed that this svn issue only crops up now
19:31:48bluebrotheralso, I'd like to have it somewhat restructured: move proxy/ to libcheckwps/ and gui/ to wpseditor/
19:32:10*bluebrother is disappointed there was no feedback earlier
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19:32:24domonokyyes, some renaming is also needed in his cleanup...
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19:32:37LambdaCalculus37domonoky: I'm going to try out rbutilqt in a little while. I'll let you know what happens.
19:32:54bluebrotherfor example, stuff like using correct captialization in includes is really important if code is supposed to be cross-platform.
19:33:03domonokyLambdaCalculus37: thanks.. :-)
19:33:24bluebrotherhow should students learn about it if nobody tells them? And how should one tell them if there is no feedback?
19:33:45bluebrotherand such thing is something students should definitely learn ... the earlier the better.
19:36:50domonokyi am trying. but it seems difficult. None of our Students made progress report, like we wanted :-/
19:37:12scorche|shwell, perhaps that is the issue here
19:37:24scorche|shwe need to stop wanting them to, and start requiring them to
19:40:08domonokywe have 4 days to either fail, or approve them for midterm evaluation.. :-)
19:41:54bluebrotherdomonoky: your student is working on mingw, right?
19:42:00bluebrotherscorche|sh: I definitely agree.
19:42:05domonokycorrect..
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19:44:31bluebrotherwe are in the position to require them doing it. It's like at work where my boss / the customer requires me to do things ... even if I don't like it
19:44:59*bluebrother goes preparing a patch to at least allow building on linux
19:45:31domonokybut i think we need a official requirement, like a statement on the gsoc wikipage.. with enough details what they should do.
19:46:30bluebrotherwell, we agreed they should report progress, so I don't think it's much of a difference requiring them to report here or on the ml.
19:46:39bluebrotherbut writing it down on the wiki page would be good.
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19:49:23scorche|shdomonoky: you are his mentor...is that not official enough?
19:50:06domonokyscorche no i think it needs to be written down somewhere..
19:51:10bluebrotherare there rules specific for that? I.e. by google? You have the power to pass or fail him ... ;-)
19:51:50bluebrotherdomonoky: please check FS #9179
19:51:55domonokysure, i could just fail him.. but thats not nice.. :-)
19:52:50bluebrothersure. But a mentor has this way to force the student showing up ;-)
19:54:18scorche|shdomonoky: i wouldnt recommend failing him yet, but it does not need to be written down anywhere....you are his mentor and are the absolute authority
19:55:57bluebrotherbesides, it's not asked much to make progress transparent. The student needs to report it anyway. We make the rules ;-)
19:56:14bluebrotherand our rules are rather nice to students imo, so it's not asking too much.
19:56:25scorche|shindeed...look at ffmpeg..
19:56:33pixelmaa student could also get better help or learn more if they talked about it
19:56:46bluebrotherisn't this way of communication something we *want* them to learn during SoC?
19:56:53scorche|shyes
19:57:04scorche|shit is all part of "the experience"
19:57:20bluebrotherso we should definitely enforce it. I just need to thing about those guy who wanted to do the TTS plugin last year
19:57:58bluebrotherhe showed up like once or twice. And failed. If he'd shown up regularly I think he had a much better chance of passing
19:58:17scorche|shwell, he simply had too much on his plate
19:58:34gevaertsI'd say write down some rules _now_, and be strict for the second half
19:58:42midgeyPersonally, I have no problems providing progress reports. I've been a bit quiet and I only send my interim work to Bagder and sdoyon. I post milestones to the tracker
19:59:14bluebrotherpossible. But IIRC that guy also had issues setting up the toolchain, and people in this channel are usually rather helpful ;-)
19:59:29domonokycould we please write down this rules, and enforce it to all Students.. :-) then i will try my part.
19:59:31scorche|shwell, we have already lost one student...it will look very good on us to lose another
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19:59:46bluebrotherscorche|sh: which one did we lose?
19:59:50gevaertsbluebrother: Indeed. And now we hear about this svn issue... Not good
19:59:55scorche|shs/will/wont
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20:00:00scorche|shbluebrother: arm emulator
20:00:13domonokythis svn issue isnt new... just nobody cared...
20:00:21scorche|shi didnt know
20:00:35*gevaerts doesn't remember hearing about this earlier
20:00:38bluebrotherdomonoky: put it the other way round: most people didn't know about it (including me)
20:01:02domonokybut i would like to solve the issue ? is it so hard o allow access to our svn via the http protokoll ?
20:01:17scorche|shwell, that is something to bug the swedes about
20:01:46bluebrotherI'm still wondering what the exact problem with your students access to it is exactly
20:01:50scorche|shsame
20:01:51domonokyor just allow also svn on another port.. should probably be sufficient..
20:02:05scorche|shdomonoky: what is his isp?...and are you sure it is a blocked port?
20:02:22pixelmahe could also have come here and asked about it himself :)
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20:02:39bluebrotherand he could have done that right at the start, not yet.
20:02:42domonokyi am not sure if its blocked ports.. his isp i dont know. some isp in Belarus (white russia)
20:02:43scorche|shif he wishes, i would be glad to allow him some space on my server where he can ssh in, do his work, commit, etc
20:03:25domonokyscorche: doing gui work via ssh isnt nice :-)
20:03:36scorche|shx-forwarding isnt hard
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20:04:04bluebrotherit can be a bit sluggish. But NX is really nice for such things
20:04:14gevaertsJust ssh access somewhere would also allow tunneling svn
20:04:14domonokyif all fails, i will play "proxy" for his patches..
20:04:19bluebrotherbesides, using svn via command line isn't hard.
20:04:31*scorche|sh deletes his similar comment to gevaerts's
20:04:48bluebrother... and something that would be good students know how to do
20:05:32pixelmait would at least be sufficient for the commit part, I use that sometimes too
20:05:51*bluebrother usually uses command line
20:07:51domonokybut if you are via shh on a remote box, you have to transfer your changes to this box first ?.. not really a nice way to work..
20:08:09scorche|shnot if you tunnel
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20:08:19domonokybut a tunnel to another box could work... :-)
20:08:23*pixelma too for commits but meant especially committing remotely from a box ssh'ed too
20:09:22*domonoky doesnt know much about tunneling .. is it easy to make such things work on windows ?
20:09:54scorche|shif you are on windows, doesnt tortisesvn allow such proxies?
20:10:04gevaertsdomonoky: yes. google for putty, and go right ahead
20:10:47*domonoky nows putty but only uses it for normal shh. lets check the settings :-)
20:11:21*bluebrother thinks learning some basic command line usage would be something we could expect students to do
20:12:02bluebrotherdomonoky: I tunneled jabber and imaps quite a while at uni. Plus cvs. Worked without any issues.
20:12:15bluebrother(on windows using putty that is ;-)
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20:14:49domonokyso i will recommend this to my student. should solve the svn problem. does someone volunteer for being the proxy (tunnel host) ? :-)
20:15:07Tuplanollais there an easy way of translating rockbox utility to finnish?
20:16:04domonokyTuplanolla: yes. take a look at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityDevelopment#How_to_Translate
20:16:36LambdaCalculus37domonoky: Good news... your new rbutilqt works on my PPC PowerBook! :)
20:16:43Tuplanollaah, had that page open earlier but didn't notice, thanks
20:20:19domonokyLambdaCalculus37: jeah, success ! so can someone move this: jdgordon.info:8080/~domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.0.6b.dmg">http://jdgordon.info:8080/~domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.0.6b.dmg to the download server ? Bagder ?
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23:19:45gevaertsHow acceptable is it to access settings from firmware/ ?
23:20:29bluebrotherI don't think so
23:22:08gevaertsSome people have suggested to make the rockbox usb stack user-optional (instead of compile-time). That means accessing settings...
23:23:56LloreanDoes it mean settings?
23:24:03LloreanEr, does it mean settings from firmware?
23:24:40gevaertsMaybe not, but I'm not sure how else it can be done
23:25:00LloreanWell, can we choose whether to charge or go into USB mode via setting without it coming from firmware?
23:25:52LloreanThough, I'm curious why it was suggested it should be runtime choosable?
23:27:20gevaertsBecause it works well for some people, and not for others.
23:27:44preglowaccessing settings from firmware is very no-noi
23:28:10preglowsettings hooks have to go from apps/ to firmware/
23:29:05preglowgevaerts: does it still fail completely for some people?
23:29:20gevaertspreglow: I think so, yes.
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23:30:21preglowannoying :/
23:30:24gevaertsAnyway not enabling it by default and not having it runtime selectable is a valid option
23:30:50bluebrotherI'm wondering in which cases the stack is failing
23:31:00bluebrotherit works absolutely fine on my mini.
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23:31:09preglowworks great on my nano too
23:31:13gevaertsMainly if you have hubs.
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23:32:51bluebrotherspeaking of hubs: what happened to the reset issues with amiconns hub? Did you figure it out?
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23:33:33gevaertsNo. That's basically the remaining issue
23:33:39bluebrotherah :)
23:33:54preglowand what an annoying one
23:34:08preglowgevaerts: have you done much reverse engineering on the original firmware?
23:34:12pixelmagevaerts: is the SD curroption problem no "solved" on the Sansas?
23:34:40pixelmaerr... corruption too
23:34:42gevaertspreglow: no. I'm slightly hindered there by having to learn assembler at the same time
23:34:55Lloreanpixelma: iiuc, there's a preventative measure in place now
23:35:05LloreanIt shouldn't happen, but the underlying problem isn't solved, it's just not triggered any more
23:35:07gevaertspixelma: (careful answer) It's not triggered anymore by the usb stack.
23:35:30pixelmahmm... maybe I should give it a try then too
23:35:54gevaertsSo using rockbox usb is just as safe as copying files within rockbox now
23:36:02pixelmado I remember that the c200s can be tricky to restore?
23:36:13LloreanMaybe we should just enable it in current builds after 3.0, to get some widespread testing and see how common the signal quality issue seems to affect people.
23:36:32preglowLlorean: sounds like a good idea
23:36:44LloreanSince 3.0 will be out, people with problems can be recommended back to it, and if there's a much larger than expected number, we can disable it again.
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23:37:18bluebrotherif there are no problems with data corruption I don't see a reason not to enable it.
23:38:36gevaertspixelma: depends. If you have a linux machine around somewhere it's not that hard. But I don't think the kind of corruption we were seeing are likely to cause "hard" problems
23:39:48gevaertspixelma: basically I think the OF usb mode works as long as the FAT bootsector is OK, and that isn't touched during normal operation. That means that any problem should be fixable with chkdsk, or at worst format.
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23:41:15pixelmaI usually don't but I guess there are ways. As long as I can get some advice here, I don't think that's a big problem even if a restore is necessary. It's not like I have important unique data on it :)
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23:42:12DJ_DeViLhi everyone
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23:42:33pixelmaLlorean: should I mark bugs reports I think are important as "due in 3.0" or "due in next release" now?
23:42:45DJ_DeViLcan you tell me hows going the ROCKBOX PROJECT for Samsung Yp-P2 JCB
23:42:56DJ_DeViLpLSSS?
23:43:27bluebrotherSSS?
23:43:33Lloreanpixelma: 3.0 for the moment, just because we've already been using it.
23:44:07DJ_DeViLwell do you have working rockbox for YP-p2
23:44:07bluebrotherDJ_DeViL: check the new ports forums. If there is no progress then there is no progess. AFAIK no one is working on it.
23:44:08DJ_DeViL?
23:44:20DJ_DeViL:(
23:44:21scorche|shDJ_DeViL: all working ports are listed on the front page
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23:44:40DJ_DeViLwhat a shame :(
23:44:48XMXHey guys.
23:44:56DJ_DeViLthanks anyway i really need FLAC on it
23:45:02scorche|shDJ_DeViL: you are more than welcome to work on it yourself
23:45:06mcuelenaereAFAIK all files in SVN are UTF-8, then shouldn't http://svn.rockbox.org/ serve it's content as UTF-8?
23:45:25XMXI have a question.
23:45:26Bagderit should indeed
23:45:29DJ_DeViLscorche|sh : im just web developer
23:45:30mcuelenaereI mean set the Content-encoding
23:45:36scorche|shDJ_DeViL: you can learn
23:45:41mcuelenaereas currently it isn't there
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23:45:59DJ_DeViLwouldnt it take at least year ?
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23:46:10scorche|shthat depends
23:46:16gevaertsLlorean: that's probably the most sensible plan
23:46:27XMXGuys, is there a tutorial on how to build the source code and install it to the iPod video?
23:46:38bluebrotherCOMMITTERS isn't utf-8 AFAICT
23:46:41BagderXMX: yes, see the wiki
23:46:43scorche|shXMX: see the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page
23:46:52XMXNice, thanks =]
23:47:06XMXThis project is by far the best open source project.
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23:47:47mcuelenaerebluebrother: I think it is, because when I view it in Firefox and set Encoding explicitly to UTF8 it is displayed right
23:48:00gevaertsIt isn't. At least not entirely
23:48:47mcuelenaeregevaerts: what part isn't?
23:49:16gevaertsmcuelenaere: it seems to be entirely latin1
23:49:26markunyes, here too
23:49:26bluebrotherfile tells me it's ISO-8859
23:49:48XMXI assume this project is based off of the Linux kernel, right?
23:49:52gevaertsXMX: no
23:49:52bluebrotherXMX: no
23:49:59XMXOh.
23:50:07XMXThat's a relief.
23:50:16XMXI hate the linux kernel.
23:50:18bluebrotherwhy that?
23:50:32bluebrotherwell, most devs use linux ... ;-)
23:50:36XMXIt confuses me.(Programming wise)
23:50:38mcuelenaereah sorry I'm viewing CREDITS
23:50:43XMXYeah, which is why I assumed this one was.
23:50:51XMXlol.
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23:51:05bluebrothereven if it was ... as long as you're not doing kernel stuff it won't matter
23:51:24*bluebrother should ROTFL around more to keep up with others
23:51:30XMXWell, I plan to work on it a bit, I started learning C a while back, and got a bit of it down.
23:51:39DJ_DeViLguys
23:51:44DJ_DeViLROCKBOX ROCX
23:51:50XMXYES! IT ROX
23:51:54stripwaxwell, at least it's on topic
23:51:59DJ_DeViLi hope i come out for YP-P2 soon :(
23:52:10DJ_DeViLnite
23:52:11bluebrotherDJ_DeViL: don't hold your breath ...
23:52:11XMXHopefully Zune will be supported soon :(
23:52:21bluebrothercheck zunelinux
23:52:28XMX?Where at?
23:52:30*gevaerts kicks bluebrother
23:52:33stripwaxgoogle
23:52:37bluebrotherat least if you want to have some fun :)
23:52:42XMXI googled it, and there were only rumors as to it being released soon.
23:52:53scorche|shheh...
23:53:00*scorche|sh wonders who starts these rumors
23:53:09XMXMe too.
23:53:16gevaertsThey got as far as that? I thought there were just rumors that they were going to get started soon
23:53:18XMXThere are so many rumors lol.
23:53:33XMXYeah, I read about a rumor with Rockbox and Zune.
23:53:36Bagderthey just couldn't decide on what distro, so it failed ;-)
23:53:40scorche|shwhere?
23:53:52*bluebrother just wanted to ask about that distro issue ;-)
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23:54:07scorche|shBagder: damn small linux...it is perfect for ARM!
23:54:08XMXbluebrother: I didn't mean putting linux on Zune, but open source software
23:54:23XMXscorchejsh: One sec, I'll get the link
23:54:32XMXopen source firmware*
23:54:44pixelmaweren't they also discovering "machine code"? ;)
23:54:47gevaertsXMX: first someone needs to work out how to run any non-official code on it
23:55:00XMXscorchelsh: http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/11/29/rockbox-for-zune-coming-soon/
23:55:06XMXThere is the rumor.
23:55:17bluebrotherXMX: well, if zunelinux had acutal code running porting rockbox would be much easier.
23:55:25scorche|shheh.. November 29th, 2006
23:55:28XMXyeah, I know. =/
23:55:37XMXIt will be done soon, I hope.
23:56:08scorche|shno one is currently working on it, so dont hold your breath
23:56:09*Bagder won't bet any money on it
23:56:26LloreanBagder: Is the "full inbox" removed from the mailing list finally?
23:56:27gevaertsUnfortunately "hope" is one of the many things that doesn't actually help a port
23:56:36XMXBleh, I kinda figured that, scorch|sh, else it would be posted somewhere on the site.
23:56:37*preglow wouldn't even bet a fistful of dirt on it
23:56:43BagderLlorean: not by me at least
23:56:51*scorche|sh introduces XMX to tab-complete
23:57:01XMXtab-complete?
23:57:07LloreanBagder: Usually I get bouncebacks by now. Maybe it's not full any more.
23:57:11bluebrotherscorche|sh: slow down ... ;-)
23:57:18bluebrother(with XMX)
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23:57:32XMXWhat is tab-complete, midn filling me in?
23:57:34*bluebrother wishes ipl.org would be up again so he didn't need to use archive.org
23:57:57scorche|shbluebrother: on which date is it proper to introduce him to tab-complete...the 3rd date?
23:58:06stripwaxha!
23:58:17bluebrotherheh.
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23:58:20bluebrotherXMX: http://www.google.de/search?q=tab+complete
23:58:27scorche|shbluebrother: use google cache...no more archine.org!
23:58:41scorche|sharchive.org either

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