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#rockbox log for 2008-07-12

00:00:14lee321987There are comments about your commit on FS #8663?
00:00:32mcuelenaerestill hacky: http://pastebin.com/d6c5120de
00:00:35mcuelenaereand still the same prob
00:00:50gevaertsYes. I'm not sure what they mean yet though
00:01:11*gevaerts means that he understands the comments, just not the implications
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00:01:12*amiconn hates those dozens of pastebin snippets
00:01:23mcuelenaerewhat's a better way to post code then?
00:05:48lee321987<gevaerts> Thanks man. Have a good one.
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00:06:49amiconnNot sure. Those snippets always show a part which is just too small to follow the code flow. And when there are more than just 2..3 of them open, you quickly lose track of which part shows what, which part is the most recent one etc
00:07:19mcuelenaereshall I make a diff then? (that is >500kb big though)
00:07:38mcuelenaerebtw I managed to get break the show_logo() again :(
00:07:49mcuelenaeres/to get break/to break/
00:09:40mcuelenaere.. and "make veryclean" fixed it again :)
00:11:18mcuelenaerecould it be the MIPS memset implementation that isn't good? (I just copied from the Linux source code) or does memset16 differ greatly from memset?
00:11:56amiconnmemset16 is fundamentally different
00:12:05amiconnYou can't replace it with memset at all
00:12:15mcuelenaereah then that'll be the cause I suppose :)
00:12:29amiconnmemset16 sets a repeated 16 bit value, while memset sets a repeated 8 bit value
00:13:05mcuelenaereso something like this? void* memset16 (void *str, unsigned short c, size_t len)
00:13:17amiconnSo you can replace memset with memset16 (and a little math), but not vice versa (except for special values)
00:13:36mcuelenaereand is the len transfer unit a short or a char?
00:13:52amiconnmcuelenaere: Why not just use the supplied C implementation as a start?
00:13:59mcuelenaereis there one? I guess I missed it
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00:14:28amiconnfirmware/common; the same place where all the other mem* friends are...
00:14:49mcuelenaereyes now I see ...
00:14:55mcuelenaereif I only looked there earlier..
00:15:02amiconnSee why small snippets are bad?
00:15:30mcuelenaere:) next time I'll provide the full-blown rockbox/ tree ;)
00:15:31gevaertsmcuelenaere: make sure you remember where borrowed code comes from. The GPL2+ policy may make a linux memset undesirable
00:15:51mcuelenaeregevaerts: yes ok I know that, but that code is just for testing
00:16:03Nico_Pany wps wizards here? PaulJam?
00:16:04mcuelenaereI thought every target/ needed an ASM mem* implementation...
00:16:09amiconnPatches are an option...
00:16:27PaulJamNico_P: ?
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00:16:44Nico_PPaulJam: do you know what happens when there are too many viewports?
00:16:51Nico_P(in a WPS)
00:16:51amiconnNot at all. You can always start with pure C versions. Optimisation can always happen after making things work
00:17:22PaulJamNico_P: no, my wps only uses 12
00:17:26mcuelenaerehmm I'm still getting errors, but it's getting better :)
00:17:33mcuelenaerefor now I'll use all the C implementations for mem*
00:18:11amiconnmcuelenaere: Various mem* and str* functions are kept as C versions on various archs. Either because they're rarely used, so size is more important than performance, or because the performance gains would be minimal
00:18:45Nico_Phmm, I might have to make a test wps :(
00:18:47amiconnMake sure you 'make clean' if you switch between asm and C, or the libraries may fool you
00:19:38amiconnOf course you could also just delete the appropriate .o and .a files instead of rebuilding everything
00:19:42PaulJamNico_P: you could use the wps code from here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16679.0 (and remove all the image displaying stuff)
00:20:03mcuelenaereI did a "make veryclean" and this comes up: http://uploadimage.org/images/lu9lhj0e5alkg9jkbz1c.jpg
00:20:07mcuelenaere(diff is following)
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00:20:08PaulJamor just decrease the allowed number
00:20:11Nico_Pyeah I was looking at that topic. apparently too many viewports also cause bad behaviour
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00:20:37Nico_Phaha, I hadn't even thought of decreasing the limit! I'm obviously to tired to be coding anyway
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00:21:42mcuelenaeremcuelenaere/VX747.diff">http://users.telenet.be/mcuelenaere/VX747.diff
00:22:14amiconnmcuelenaere: Btw, if this onda pic is displayed correctly in the sim, you can easily provide a .bmp version
00:22:44mcuelenaereI guess I can exclude it now, it isn't really necessary anymore
00:26:05mcuelenaerehmm lcd_putsxy(0, 0, "TEEEESTTT"); gives a rather weird output: http://uploadimage.org/images/p7ka065t70mjqayhfu.jpg
00:26:35pixelmadomonoky: was your fixed MacOS RBtil uploaded to the download server yet? I'm asking because there is a question in the forums...
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00:27:12domonokyit should be now online as rbutilqt-v1.0.6b.dmg
00:27:33bluebrotherpixelma: might not be distributed to the mirrors yet
00:27:54pixelmaok
00:28:18*pixelma wonders what a RBtil is though... ;\
00:28:38bluebrotherRockbox till ... (whatever) ;-)
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00:34:37jpt9hey.
00:34:40jpt9very funny...
00:34:49jpt9which person here wrote Rockblox-1D? :-)
00:35:37mcuelenaereI think that was DerPapst
00:35:40jpt9ah.
00:35:44jpt9Is there any way to win?
00:35:49jpt9or lose, rather?
00:36:14mcuelenaereI guess not, haven't played it on target yet though (only on a site)
00:36:21jpt9Ah.
00:36:23mcuelenaerebut I'm not sure if all this is on-topic..
00:36:25jpt9Rockbox is awesome.
00:36:27jpt9it is.
00:36:30jpt9It's part of Rockbox.
00:37:01jpt9As far as I know, the game only exists on Rockbox...
00:37:15scorcheit exists other places
00:37:46jpt9oh.
00:37:57*amiconn wonders what kind of mips weirdness this might be
00:38:28jpt9also, anyone know how fast the processor on the e250 is?
00:38:29amiconnThe drawing code is all C, so I don't understand why text output would create this weird pattern
00:38:29SoapTetris 1D was the winner of the IpodLinux contest
00:38:48amiconnThe line spacing is 16 pixels if iI counted correctly
00:39:12jpt9I'm guessing ~96.1MHz, as that frequency always has a signal on the radio (it's entirely quiet, and occasionally makes a bit of noise when the backlight turns off).
00:39:27PaulJamthey were allowed to call it "Tetris" ?
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00:39:37mcuelenaereit might not be a mips weirdness, more an ingenic one
00:40:22mcuelenaereoh yes about the text pattern, the framebuffer wasn't cleared fully; but if I do so it yields the same except it only affects the lower +- 16pixels
00:40:30amiconnYeah, but then the onda pic does work...
00:40:37mcuelenaere+ the rockbox one!
00:40:43SoapPaulJam, I didn't mean to imply that they called it that. I do not remember what the name of their version was.
00:40:56PaulJamah ok
00:41:33scorchejpt9: it runs at multiple speeds...these can be seen in the debug menu
00:43:05mcuelenaereanyway I'm heading off to bed; I'm becoming a bit tired
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00:50:21jpt9also, is there any way to zoom the simulator to more than 2x? I'd love to play brickmania fullscreen.
00:50:26jpt9It's a quite nice game.
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01:03:47PaulJami think you can use something like −−zoom 4
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03:02:30bighornramHi I just brought home a spankin new ipod classic and I now have a newfound hate for apples. this is a classic, can i put rockbox on it?
03:02:41Soapnope
03:02:53bighornrambest buy gets it back :(
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03:03:30Soapthere is not a player currently on the market which has a fully-functional Rockbox port. :(
03:04:06Soap(though the iPod Classic is probably low on the likelyhood scale of possible targets)
03:04:43bighornramthey are gonna get it back. they can keep it. POS
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03:16:48*faileas would think if he absolutely wanted rockbox on it he'd do his homework first >_>
03:17:30XMXHi, can anyone help me with a small issue?
03:17:57scorchethat depends if you tell us the issue or not
03:18:09timonatorif you define "a small issue" as "an issue that anyone can help you with", then yes
03:18:33XMXWell, when I build the source(Rockbox: iPod Video), I get this error: make[1]: *** [/cygdrive/c/XMX[Podcast]/build/librockbox.a] Error 1
03:19:22scorchethere arent enough relevant bits there...please pastebin the whole log
03:19:24timonatorthat's not an error, it's a message that an error had happened
03:19:30XMXok
03:19:44scorchealso, is this supposed to be a clean checkout, or do you have patches?
03:20:06XMXEntire build log: http://pastebin.com/m601d5f23
03:20:16XMXClean checkout
03:20:23XMXNo patches/add-ons added.
03:21:40timonatorwoah, that's not much output it put out there :/
03:21:56XMXI know =/
03:22:03XMXWhich is why I can't figure out what's wrong.
03:22:42XMXWell, a got a different error before I recieved this one(After trying to re-compile),. should I post that one too?
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03:23:07timonatoryeah, if you "make clean", it will rebuild all the previous stuff, too, if that helps at all
03:23:36XMXhttp://pastebin.com/m7e7e6533
03:23:43XMXThat was the first error I recieved.
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03:24:51LloreanXMX: What *exactly* did you type when you ran configure?
03:25:03LloreanLike, to actually run it. Not what choices you made.
03:25:16XMXI typed what was in the tut
03:25:17XMXwhich was
03:25:21XMX32 ram
03:25:23XMXNormal build
03:25:27XMX22 - iPod Video
03:25:29LloreanNOT what choices you made.
03:25:39LloreanAnd what tutorial?
03:26:22XMXSimpleGuideToCompilling.
03:26:28XMXusing CYGWIN
03:26:39LloreanSo what, _exactly_ did you type to call configure?
03:26:59XMX../tools/configure
03:27:21LloreanSo your source code is all in /cygdrive/c/XMX[Podcast] and not in its own folder?
03:27:29XMXI followed this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
03:27:33XMXyeah.
03:27:42XMXDoes it have to be in rockbox named folder?
03:27:44LloreanSo there's a /cygdrive/c/XMX[Podcast]/tools folder?
03:27:50XMXyes
03:28:07LloreanDid you check out the source with SVN or download the tarball?
03:28:11XMXThe config was successful, just when I type "make" to compile, I get those errors.
03:28:19XMXI downloaded the latest build, from the site.
03:28:30LloreanPlease, try using SVN.
03:28:32XMXhttp://build.rockbox.org/
03:28:38XMXOk.
03:28:56XMXand the SVN is located....?
03:29:01XMXlocated where*
03:29:18scorcheXMX: that should be in that wiki page you linked earlier
03:29:26XMXkk
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03:32:16XMXOk, SVN updating, guess I just wait until it finished =]
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04:36:27DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:36:27DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:36:27***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
04:36:27***Cleanup
04:36:27***Cleanup
04:36:27***No seen item changed, no save performed.
04:36:27***Exit
04:40:09***Started Dancer V4.16
04:40:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:40:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:40:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:40:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:40:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:40:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:40:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:40:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:40:09***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
04:40:09***Cleanup
04:40:09***Cleanup
04:40:09***No seen item changed, no save performed.
04:40:09***Exit
04:43:51***Started Dancer V4.16
04:43:51DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:43:51DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:43:51DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:43:51DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:43:51DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:43:51DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:43:51DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:43:51DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:43:51***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
04:43:51***Cleanup
04:43:51***Cleanup
04:43:51***No seen item changed, no save performed.
04:43:51***Exit
04:47:33***Started Dancer V4.16
04:47:33DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:47:33DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:47:33DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:47:33DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:47:33DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:47:33DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:47:33DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:47:33DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:47:33***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
04:47:33***Cleanup
04:47:33***Cleanup
04:47:33***No seen item changed, no save performed.
04:47:33***Exit
04:51:15***Started Dancer V4.16
04:51:15DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:51:15DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:51:15DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:51:15DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:51:15DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:51:15DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:51:15DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:51:15DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:51:15***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
04:51:15***Cleanup
04:51:15***Cleanup
04:51:15***No seen item changed, no save performed.
04:51:15***Exit
04:54:57***Started Dancer V4.16
04:54:57DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:54:57DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:54:57DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:54:57DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:54:57DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:54:57DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:54:57DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:54:57DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:54:57***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
04:54:57***Cleanup
04:54:57***Cleanup
04:54:57***No seen item changed, no save performed.
04:54:57***Exit
04:58:39***Started Dancer V4.16
04:58:39DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:58:39DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:58:39DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:58:39DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:58:39DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:58:39DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:58:39DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:58:39DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
04:58:39***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
04:58:39***Cleanup
04:58:39***Cleanup
04:58:39***No seen item changed, no save performed.
04:58:39***Exit
05:00
05:02:21***Started Dancer V4.16
05:02:21DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:02:21DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:02:21DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:02:21DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:02:21DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:02:21DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:02:21DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:02:21DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:02:21***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
05:02:21***Cleanup
05:02:21***Cleanup
05:02:21***No seen item changed, no save performed.
05:02:21***Exit
05:06:03***Started Dancer V4.16
05:06:03DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:06:03DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:06:03DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:06:03DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:06:03DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:06:03DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:06:03DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:06:03DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:06:03***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
05:06:03***Cleanup
05:06:03***Cleanup
05:06:03***No seen item changed, no save performed.
05:06:03***Exit
05:09:45***Started Dancer V4.16
05:09:45DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:09:45DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:09:45DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:09:45DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:09:45DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:09:45DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:09:45DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:09:45DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:09:45***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
05:09:45***Cleanup
05:09:45***Cleanup
05:09:45***No seen item changed, no save performed.
05:09:45***Exit
05:13:27***Started Dancer V4.16
05:13:27DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:13:27DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:13:27DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:13:27DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:13:27DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:13:27DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:13:27DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:13:27DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:13:27***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
05:13:27***Cleanup
05:13:27***Cleanup
05:13:27***No seen item changed, no save performed.
05:13:27***Exit
05:17:09***Started Dancer V4.16
05:17:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:17:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:17:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:17:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:17:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:17:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:17:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:17:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:17:09***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
05:17:09***Cleanup
05:17:09***Cleanup
05:17:09***No seen item changed, no save performed.
05:17:09***Exit
05:20:54***Started Dancer V4.16
05:20:54DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:20:54DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:20:54DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:20:54DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:20:54DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:20:54DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:20:54DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:20:54DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:20:54***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
05:20:54***Cleanup
05:20:54***Cleanup
05:20:54***No seen item changed, no save performed.
05:20:54***Exit
05:24:39***Started Dancer V4.16
05:24:39DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:24:39DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:24:39DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:24:39DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:24:39DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:24:39DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:24:39DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:24:39DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:24:39***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
05:24:39***Cleanup
05:24:39***Cleanup
05:24:39***No seen item changed, no save performed.
05:24:39***Exit
05:28:24***Started Dancer V4.16
05:28:24DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:28:24DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:28:24DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:28:24DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:28:24DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:28:24DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:28:24DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:28:24DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:28:24***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
05:28:24***Cleanup
05:28:24***Cleanup
05:28:24***No seen item changed, no save performed.
05:28:24***Exit
05:32:09***Started Dancer V4.16
05:32:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:32:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:32:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:32:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:32:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:32:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:32:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:32:09DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:32:09***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
05:32:09***Cleanup
05:32:09***Cleanup
05:32:09***No seen item changed, no save performed.
05:32:09***Exit
05:35:55***Started Dancer V4.16
05:35:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:35:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:35:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:35:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:35:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:35:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:35:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:35:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:35:55***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
05:35:55***Cleanup
05:35:55***Cleanup
05:35:55***No seen item changed, no save performed.
05:35:55***Exit
05:39:40***Started Dancer V4.16
05:39:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:39:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:39:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:39:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:39:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:39:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:39:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:39:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:39:40***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
05:39:40***Cleanup
05:39:40***Cleanup
05:39:40***No seen item changed, no save performed.
05:39:40***Exit
05:43:25***Started Dancer V4.16
05:43:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:43:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:43:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:43:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:43:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:43:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:43:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:43:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:43:25***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
05:43:25***Cleanup
05:43:25***Cleanup
05:43:25***No seen item changed, no save performed.
05:43:25***Exit
05:47:10***Started Dancer V4.16
05:47:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:47:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:47:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:47:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:47:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:47:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:47:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:47:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:47:10***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
05:47:10***Cleanup
05:47:10***Cleanup
05:47:10***No seen item changed, no save performed.
05:47:10***Exit
05:50:55***Started Dancer V4.16
05:50:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:50:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:50:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:50:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:50:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:50:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:50:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:50:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:50:55***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
05:50:55***Cleanup
05:50:55***Cleanup
05:50:55***No seen item changed, no save performed.
05:50:55***Exit
05:54:40***Started Dancer V4.16
05:54:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:54:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:54:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:54:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:54:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:54:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:54:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:54:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:54:40***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
05:54:40***Cleanup
05:54:40***Cleanup
05:54:40***No seen item changed, no save performed.
05:54:40***Exit
05:58:25***Started Dancer V4.16
05:58:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:58:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:58:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:58:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:58:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:58:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:58:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:58:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
05:58:25***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
05:58:25***Cleanup
05:58:25***Cleanup
05:58:25***No seen item changed, no save performed.
05:58:25***Exit
06:00
06:02:10***Started Dancer V4.16
06:02:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:02:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:02:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:02:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:02:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:02:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:02:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:02:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:02:10***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
06:02:10***Cleanup
06:02:10***Cleanup
06:02:10***No seen item changed, no save performed.
06:02:10***Exit
06:05:55***Started Dancer V4.16
06:05:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:05:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:05:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:05:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:05:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:05:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:05:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:05:55DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:05:55***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
06:05:55***Cleanup
06:05:55***Cleanup
06:05:55***No seen item changed, no save performed.
06:05:55***Exit
06:09:40***Started Dancer V4.16
06:09:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:09:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:09:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:09:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:09:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:09:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:09:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:09:40DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:09:40***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
06:09:40***Cleanup
06:09:40***Cleanup
06:09:40***No seen item changed, no save performed.
06:09:40***Exit
06:13:25***Started Dancer V4.16
06:13:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:13:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:13:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:13:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:13:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:13:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:13:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:13:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:13:25***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
06:13:25***Cleanup
06:13:25***Cleanup
06:13:25***No seen item changed, no save performed.
06:13:25***Exit
06:17:10***Started Dancer V4.16
06:17:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:17:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:17:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:17:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:17:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:17:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:17:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:17:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:17:10***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
06:17:10***Cleanup
06:17:10***Cleanup
06:17:10***No seen item changed, no save performed.
06:17:10***Exit
06:20:56***Started Dancer V4.16
06:20:56DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:20:56DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:20:56DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:20:56DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:20:56DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:20:56DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:20:56DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:20:56DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:20:56***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
06:20:56***Cleanup
06:20:56***Cleanup
06:20:56***No seen item changed, no save performed.
06:20:56***Exit
06:24:41***Started Dancer V4.16
06:24:41DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:24:41DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:24:41DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:24:41DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:24:41DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:24:41DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:24:41DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:24:41DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:24:41***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
06:24:41***Cleanup
06:24:41***Cleanup
06:24:41***No seen item changed, no save performed.
06:24:41***Exit
06:28:23***Started Dancer V4.16
06:28:23DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:28:23DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:28:23DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:28:23DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:28:23DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:28:23DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:28:23DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:28:23DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:28:23***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
06:28:23***Cleanup
06:28:23***Cleanup
06:28:23***No seen item changed, no save performed.
06:28:23***Exit
06:32:11***Started Dancer V4.16
06:32:11DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:32:11DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:32:11DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:32:11DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:32:11DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:32:11DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:32:11DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:32:11DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:32:11***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
06:32:11***Cleanup
06:32:11***Cleanup
06:32:11***No seen item changed, no save performed.
06:32:11***Exit
06:35:58***Started Dancer V4.16
06:35:58DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:35:58DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:35:58DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:35:58DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:35:58DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:35:58DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:35:58DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:35:58DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:35:58***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
06:35:58***Cleanup
06:35:58***Cleanup
06:35:58***No seen item changed, no save performed.
06:35:58***Exit
06:39:45***Started Dancer V4.16
06:39:45DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:39:45DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:39:45DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:39:45DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:39:45DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:39:45DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:39:45DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:39:45DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:39:45***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
06:39:45***Cleanup
06:39:45***Cleanup
06:39:45***No seen item changed, no save performed.
06:39:45***Exit
06:43:32***Started Dancer V4.16
06:43:32DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:43:32DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:43:32DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:43:32DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:43:32DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:43:32DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:43:32DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:43:32DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:43:32***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
06:43:32***Cleanup
06:43:32***Cleanup
06:43:32***No seen item changed, no save performed.
06:43:32***Exit
06:47:25***Started Dancer V4.16
06:47:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:47:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:47:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:47:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:47:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:47:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:47:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:47:25DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:47:25***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
06:47:25***Cleanup
06:47:25***Cleanup
06:47:25***No seen item changed, no save performed.
06:47:25***Exit
06:51:10***Started Dancer V4.16
06:51:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:51:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:51:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:51:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:51:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:51:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:51:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:51:10DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:51:10***Unable to connect to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 (tried 8 times)
06:51:10***Cleanup
06:51:10***Cleanup
06:51:10***No seen item changed, no save performed.
06:51:10***Exit
06:54:54***Started Dancer V4.16
06:54:54DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:54:54DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:54:54DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:54:54DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
06:54:54DEBUGgethostbyname(2) failed for irc.freenode.net (Connection timed out) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 99)
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11:00:22preglowhas anyone said they'd deal with the study mode fix, or will i have to do it before i go mad? ;)
11:04:45LloreanNobody's volunteered
11:05:00LloreanBut at least there's a consensus on what it should be.
11:06:42preglowyes, which turned out to be what i initially proposed?
11:07:05LloreanI don't remember what you initially proposed, but I guess so?
11:07:34preglowmaking it a "skip mode" setting, where you either set it to "skip song", or one time interval from a given list
11:07:41LloreanA "Skip Mode" setting, with a list of parameters like "Next Track, 30s, 1m, 2m, 3m, 4m, 5m, 10m, 15m"
11:07:47LloreanYeah
11:07:50preglowthat'd be that, yes :)
11:08:23preglowwell, if my rockbox time doesn't vanish today as well, i'll see how hard it looks
11:08:33*pixelma thought it was "Skip Length" but doesn't know how important that is
11:08:47preglowskip length sounds better
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11:10:09LloreanSkip Length does sound better.
11:10:29LloreanThe important thing is "a single setting with an actually descriptive name"
11:10:33preglowyep
11:10:34preglowindeed
11:10:41preglowthe current one is a joke
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11:10:51preglowstudy mode is both non-descriptive and hard to translate
11:11:21LloreanIt's only meaningful to people who've used the setting in iRiver OFs, pretty non-ideal
11:11:21preglowand "study increment" i don't even know what to make of :)
11:11:28LloreanYeah, that one's ridiculous.
11:11:39preglowwhich is an os translated by koreans :P
11:13:55pixelmapreglow: I translated "study increment" to something like "time span" in German for now (since it is inside the "Study Mode" menu)
11:14:26pixelmabut I hope it'll go soon :)
11:17:47preglowi don't intend to translate it, heh
11:18:52pixelmayeah right... and I don't know how to translate "Skip Length" yet...
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11:28:49preglowi'll think of something
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12:01:55mcuelenaerelinuxstb: around?
12:02:19linuxstbmcuelenaere: Yes
12:02:35mcuelenaerelinuxstb: do you still have those files you've downloaded from ftp.ingenic.cn?
12:03:46linuxstbYes, but I haven't looked at them at all.
12:04:23mcuelenaerecould you upload 3sw/01linux/00toolchain/mipseltools-gcc412-lnx26.tar.gz somewhere for me?
12:04:32linuxstbSure.
12:04:53mcuelenaerethanks
12:05:13mcuelenaereand perhaps also jz-gcc412-glib236-src.tar.gz (looks interesting)
12:05:43mcuelenaerethose are about 200MB in total, is that a problem?
12:18:13*amiconn wonders why mcuelenaere needs a linux toolschain
12:18:21amiconn*toolchain even
12:18:44mcuelenaereI'm trying to find out whether there's a difference between the standard mipsel and the one ingenic provides
12:19:08mcuelenaereand linuxstb downloaded the whole ftp.ingenic.cn tree (which is a very, very slow server)
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12:23:41linuxstbmcuelenaere: The first file is uploading now, I'll let you know when it's done. webspace shouldn't be a problem.
12:23:49mcuelenaereok thanks
12:23:55linuxstbETA about 7 minutes...
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12:53:11linuxstbmcuelenaere: The first file is at linuxstb.cream.org/mips/mipseltools-gcc412-lnx26.tar.gz">http://linuxstb.cream.org/mips/mipseltools-gcc412-lnx26.tar.gz - the second file is uploading now (ETA about 25 minutes - same directory)
12:53:40mcuelenaerewow, nice uplink :)
12:53:59linuxstbIt's averaging about 90KB/s
12:54:22mcuelenaereI meant the linuxstb.cream.org site, I've downloaded the file at 2MB/s
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12:57:11linuxstbNice ;)
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13:25:22preglowcould we please include mandatory whitespace after if/while/for/etc in the coding style guidelines? :>
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13:26:48bertrik_If there would be a vote about that, I'd vote yes :)
13:27:01*petur likes it without :p
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13:32:54preglowthat makes them look like functions
13:32:54preglowheh
13:33:13*amiconn prefers those constructs with whitespace (as they aren't functions), but a missing whitespace there is less annoying than ugly brace placement
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13:33:57*preglow likes his braces on the same line
13:34:11preglowbut i don't care strongly about that
13:34:18*petur likes braces on the next line
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13:34:27preglowbut it's really all quite ok
13:34:30preglowas long as it's consistent
13:34:34preglowand most rockbox source fviles are not
13:34:35peturtrue
13:34:37*amiconn likes braces *always* on their own line, except for array initializers
13:34:40preglowi try to be consistent, but most people seem to not care
13:34:59peturI follow the style that is present within the file
13:35:11preglowyep, and that is good
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13:36:18preglowwill we release incomplete translations, btw?
13:36:58moosbetter than nothing, no?
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13:37:24*moos have to finish the french one
13:37:37fmlThere are more places in wps_parser that would silently ignore a part of the WPS if it doesn't fit (e.g. too many sublines; too many lines; too many strings). I hope Nico_P will look at it. I think we should introduce a special failure code for such situations.
13:37:59Nico_Pfml: I've done just that
13:38:20Nico_Pbut I haven't finished testing yet and I was too tired for that yesterday evening
13:38:58fmlNico_P: he-he. I wanted to this but then thought that check_wps should also be adjusted and I don't know it well so I stopped.
13:45:16preglowi'll probably deprecate a couple of strings soon too
13:46:00moospreglow: geting rid of this annoying "study mode" ?
13:46:04preglowyes
13:46:11mooswee :)
13:46:12preglowbah, the study increment is also waaaay to long a list
13:46:35preglowshould i put this "skip length" directly in the playback menu?
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13:47:04moosthat seems sensible
13:47:40kushal_12_27_200I report that the 1.0.6b rbutil is working on my Intel based macbook with 10.4.11 on it. Thanks
13:51:14kushal_12_27_200Hello, I have a Sansa c250. Do I need to change any settings on the player before doing an automated install of rockbox? My sansa firmware is 1.0.0.6 and although I have had a failed install in the past, with the help go gevaerts and others, I believe I have a clean slate again.
13:53:31moosswitch USB option to MSC to install rockbox, that is
13:53:35bertrik_Firmware version 1.0.0.6 is fine to install rockbox. You need to change USB mode to MSC, then rbutil should be able to install rockbox.
13:54:04kushal_12_27_200thansk
13:54:05pixelma1.00.0.6 or 1.01.06?
13:54:06kushal_12_27_200thanks
13:54:13bertrik_I've had some problems with the original firmware if there's a SDHC card in the micro SD slot, so remove that when doing anything in the original firmware.
13:54:18pixelmaeh, one dot too many
13:54:54kushal_12_27_200ok let me unmount it and check the firmware version. I don't have any sd cards though
13:55:03kushal_12_27_200i mean microsd
13:55:38kushal_12_27_2001.00.06P is my firmware
13:55:54kushal_12_27_200and it does not say v2 in the back
13:56:05moosgo ahead and install :)
13:57:25kushal_12_27_200working ...
13:58:03kushal_12_27_200does rbutil log its progress?
13:58:09bertrik_yes
13:58:39kushal_12_27_200i am upto fonts now
13:59:41kushal_12_27_200I think it is complete now
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14:00:06kushal_12_27_200Can I just unmount my sansa now?
14:01:12kushal_12_27_200unmounted
14:01:19bertrik_yes, after that power it down and up again, it should boot into rockbox
14:01:24kushal_12_27_200thanks
14:02:06kushal_12_27_200it seems the battery is charging. can I leave it connected for a few minutes?
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14:02:36bertrik_sure
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14:07:16kushal_12_27_200it says firmware not found. thankfully, the other boot option (left arrow + power on) is working
14:07:25kushal_12_27_200I guess I will have to reinstall it?
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14:10:04bertrik_That is unexpected unfortunately, can you check with the original firmware if there is a .rockbox directory on the player?
14:10:46kushal_12_27_200I don't see it. is it a hidden folder?
14:11:22bertrik_if you are working with linux, then yes it is hidden
14:12:05kushal_12_27_200I am on mac os x 10.4.11 Intel macbook. my firmware http://pastebin.com/m4da1fb52
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14:13:34kushal_12_27_200can't load rockbox.mi4 file not found
14:14:12bertrik_is there a rockbox.mi4 file in the .rockbox directory?
14:14:18domonokykushal_12_27_200: could you check if this file is there ?
14:14:57kushal_12_27_200I cannot even see the folder .rockbox in my computer. I did the complete install from the quick start.
14:15:53domonokyhint: .rockbox is hidden also on mac..
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14:16:32kushal_12_27_200ok launching terminal
14:17:14kushal_12_27_200how do I see hidden folders then?
14:18:27domonoky"ls -a" shoudl work..
14:19:47bertrik_... but the current working directory would have to be the root of the c240 file system
14:20:25linuxstbkushal_12_27_200: http://www.macworld.com/article/51830/2006/07/showallfinder.html
14:20:29kushal_12_27_200how do I go there from home?
14:22:21kushal_12_27_200thanks linuxstb
14:22:48bertrik_you have to "cd" to it, but I don't know under what path a c2xx is mounted with mac os
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14:23:01kushal_12_27_200i am relaunching finder
14:23:34kushal_12_27_200ok I can confirm that .rockbox does not exist in the root
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14:24:39bertrik_that could mean that there's a bug in rbutil
14:25:26bertrik_if you just want rockbox to work right now, you can also simply unzip the latest build into the root of the c250 file system
14:25:43kushal_12_27_200ok
14:26:09mooshttp://build.rockbox.org/
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14:27:44kushal_12_27_200hold on, it seems to be my fault. let me try again
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14:32:56kushal_12_27_200so do just drag and drop it to root?
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14:34:14bertrik_no, unzip it, such that in the end the c250 contains a directory .rockbox with the contents of the zip file
14:34:51kushal_12_27_200I meant do I put the directory .rockbox in the root of the sansa?
14:35:04kushal_12_27_200ok thanks
14:36:15bertrik_the .rockbox directory on the sansa should contain a rockbox.mi4 file (and lots of other files in too), don't just copy the zip file over to the sansa.
14:36:30kushal_12_27_200thanks bertrik, it seems to be working now
14:36:41kushal_12_27_200wow
14:37:09moosWelcome in the rockbox's world then ;)
14:37:41kushal_12_27_200can I add my music as before by drag and drop?
14:37:45bertrik_BTW, did you have radio in the original sansa firmware? if not, you may have it now in rockbox
14:38:36kushal_12_27_200i did have fm before. but the file browser is awesome
14:38:47bertrik_kushal_12_27_200: yes, you can copy it anywhere you like
14:39:18bertrik_Make sure to also check the manual to find out about all possibilities of rockbox
14:39:18kushal_12_27_200thanks
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14:39:38mcuelenaerelinuxstb: how's that jz-gcc412-glib236-src.tar.gz upload going?
14:39:58domonokykushal_12_27_200: so was it your fault, or rbutils fault ?
14:40:09linuxstbmcuelenaere: It's done.
14:40:52kushal_12_27_200I was thinking if Rockbox went back to autodetect mode but it hadn't. I am afraid there might still be a few bugs in rbutils
14:41:02mcuelenaerelinuxstb: linuxstb.cream.org/mips/jz-gcc412-glib236-src.tar.gz">http://linuxstb.cream.org/mips/jz-gcc412-glib236-src.tar.gz ?
14:41:46domonokykushal_12_27_200: sure, there are still bugs in rbutil, but if we dont know them, we cant fix them..
14:41:51linuxstbmcuelenaere: Almost - it's jz-gcc4-glib236-src.tar.gz
14:42:48kushal_12_27_200how can I help, domonoky?
14:43:05mcuelenaerelinuxstb: what's the date of the file? it seems Ingenic updated their FTP :)
14:43:42linuxstbmcuelenaere: "2008-01-10 06:32"
14:43:43domonokykushal_12_27_200: if you find bugs in rbutil, please put them into the tracker. :-)
14:44:25mcuelenaerelinuxstb: newest version is 23/06/2008 3:19 but never mind, this one will satisfy
14:44:42bertrik_As far as I understood, rbutil was able to patch the bootloader, but somehow did not extract files into the .rockbox directory on the player
14:45:11kushal_12_27_200Let me see if I can install themes using the rbutils
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14:48:13kushal_12_27_200so now that I have .rockbox and rockbox installed, I should be able to use rbutils to add additional stuff or to update rockbox using rbutils? is that the current understanding, bertrik_?
14:49:22bertrik_kushal_12_27_200: I don't know, can't draw that conclusion yet. Just try it and see if it works.
14:50:00kushal_12_27_200I added themes using rbutils. lets see what happens
14:51:05*kushal_12_27_200 is adding some music to test rockbox
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14:57:22kushal_12_27_200does the zip file come with cabbiev2 theme?
14:57:33bertrik_yes
14:58:40moos...since this is the default theme
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15:00:17kushal_12_27_200so I guess I could not add themes using rbutils
15:00:48domonokykushal_12_27_200: can you make sure the mountpoint in rbutil is set correctly ?
15:01:47kushal_12_27_200well, there are two mount points. I will post the screen shot in imageshack
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15:06:43kushal_12_27_200how do I make usre the mountpoint in rbutil is set correctly?
15:07:11domonokycheck in the filesystem which one is the right directory..
15:07:37domonokyso use finder or the console to naviage there, and check which one is the real device :-)
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15:10:42kushal_12_27_200info tells me both the options were incorrect
15:10:48kushal_12_27_200it is actually
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15:11:36kushal_12_27_200[oblique]volumes [oblique]sansa c250 2
15:12:24domonokyso give rbutil the right mountpoint and it should work..
15:12:24bertrik_which one has the .rockbox directory?
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15:12:57kushal_12_27_200the other two seem to be leftovers from previous failed install attempts
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15:13:21kushal_12_27_200ok, this time autodetect detected it as c200.
15:14:09kushal_12_27_200voice is not included by default in the zip file, right?
15:14:27domonokyif there are leftover .rockbox dirs in the wrong directory, the mountpoint detection can fail and give you the wrong mountpoint..
15:14:34bertrikkushal_12_27_200: I'm not 100% sure but I think those other two are not leftovers. The "sansa c250" is probably the entire disk and "sansa c250 1" and "sansa c250 2" are partitions on that disk
15:14:47domonokykushal_12_27_200: no voice is a extra download, but rbutil can do this for you :-)
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15:15:09kushal_12_27_200you mean the 20 MB space?
15:18:04bertrikAh disregard what I said, I'm not so sure about it.
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15:18:39kushal_12_27_200OK lets try it one more time
15:21:01kushal_12_27_200ok, I have voice menu in rockbox now
15:23:40kushal_12_27_200so it seems that rbutils was able to install voice on the sansa
15:25:43kushal_12_27_200can rockbox play audio from mp4 files? is it even possible to do that?
15:28:58stripwaxyou could strip the audio out using a (non-rockbox) tool and play the audio file
15:29:06stripwaxnot sure if there's a way to do it "in rockbox" though
15:31:01kushal_12_27_200well, I saw the demos (under plugin) and it looks really cool
15:31:36kushal_12_27_200how large a textfile can I view in sansa c250?
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15:39:06kushal_12_27_200thanks everyone
15:40:39preglowkushal_12_27_200: a very large one indeed, afaik
15:40:47preglowi don't think you need to worry about it
15:40:59kushal_12_27_200great
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17:32:00nixternalif I were to go to the store right now and purchase one of the Sansa eXXX or cXXX players, it would more than likely be a v2 right?
17:34:26PaulJamyes, its likely that you get a v2, but if you buy it in a store you could ask the seller to open the package and look up the firmwareversion on the device.
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17:37:02nixternalmy old iPod mini crapped out and I need a new Rockboxable MP3 player I can go get today :)
17:37:10nixternalit is hard living w/o my rb
17:38:44PaulJamwhat's wrong with the mini?
17:38:50nixternalit died
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17:48:37dataangelIs there any particular reason compiling the simulator compiles out mp3 support, or does the simulator just not support it yet?
17:50:42PaulJammp3 should work fine in the sim. how are you compiling?
17:52:30dataangelPaulJam: sorry, I meant mp3 playback from plugins specifically. It's surrounded by #ifndef SIMULATOR
17:52:50dataangelline 504 in plugin.h
17:53:57dataangeloddly pcm playback is not guarded the same way
17:54:11PaulJamno idea
17:55:48dataangelalso both mp3 and pcm have callbacks for "getting more"... any idea what those are for? Will it not playback the whole file if I give it all at once?
17:57:13stripwaxdataangel - maybe that's a hangover from HWCODEC days?
17:57:25stripwaxI mean, pre-SWCODEC days, obviously
17:58:08stripwaxDoes it break if you just take out the #ifndef?
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18:08:29linuxstbnixternal: If it's a disk problem in your mini, you could try replacing it with a CF card - lots of people have done that successfully...
18:10:49dataangelstripwax: I'll give it a try...
18:12:29linuxstbdataangel: I would imagine the mp3_ functions only work on "hwcodec" devices - i.e. ones with a hardware MP3 decoder chip (the old Archos devices). In general, you can't playback mp3 in a plugin on the modern (swcodec) devices.
18:12:52linuxstbBut looking at the code, those functions seem to be used for voice on swcodec...
18:13:01linuxstb(which is now Speex on swcodec)
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18:15:56dataangelSo should I use plain old wavs for my sound effects instead?
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18:17:25linuxstbdataangel: Yes. Or more accurately, arrays of PCM data.
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18:18:43dataangelright
18:18:52dataangelbut wavs if I convert into a C array are just that right?
18:19:00dataangelthere's no diff btwn wav and pcm?
18:19:22stripwaxwav has headers. pcm is the raw audio
18:19:24linuxstbWAV is a container format, so even if it contains PCM, it will have extra header information (and maybe footer)
18:19:33dataangelah
18:19:47stripwaxdoesn't Metronome have mp3 audio in a static array?
18:20:00linuxstbYes, plus PCM data...
18:20:03stripwaxah
18:20:07linuxstbmp3 for hwcodec, and pcm for swcodec
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18:24:53dataangelis there an easy way on linux to strip the header and such?
18:24:59dataangelso I have just raw PCM to feed into xxd?
18:24:59linuxstb"sox"
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18:31:24linuxstbdataangel: See metronome.h - you'll want to convert it to an array of "shorts" anyway, so you may end up needing to write your own little utility to do it.
18:31:40linuxstb(taking account of the endianness of the data in the WAV file)
18:31:54dataangelwavs don't have a standard endianness? @_@
18:32:37linuxstbYes, I'm just reminding you to pay attention to it ;)
18:33:11dataangelwhy an array of shorts specifically instead of a char array?
18:34:33linuxstbSo the array will work on both little and big endian Rockbox devices (ARM-based devices are little-endian, Coldfire is big-endian)
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18:36:32dataangelI thought just explicitly using unsigned char took care of that?
18:37:02dataangelwhy would a 2-byte type not have an endian problem as opposed to the 1-byte type? (Err... guessing that shorts are 2-bytes on ARM...) I'm not up on my bit twiddling
18:37:27linuxstbRockbox expects PCM data in "host-endian" format. If you use a char array, then you're picking one endian format, so are wrong on half the targets.
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18:42:19dataangelwhy does using shorts prevent you from being locked into one endianness? sorry if this is obvious :P
18:42:49linuxstbBecause gcc will organise the data differently when compiling for big and little endian targets.
18:43:18dataangelIs that a gcc specific detail or some part of C?
18:43:45linuxstbThat's the definition of endianness... i.e. how multi-byte values are stored in RAM
18:44:18dataangelI thought endianness was per _bit_
18:44:36dataangelif it's per byte why couldn't you just index the array backwardss?
18:45:00dataangelyou can tell how often I do low level stuff ;p
18:45:51linuxstbMaybe an example will help... The short array {0x1234, 0x5678} will be stored as {0x12, 0x34, 0x56, 0x78} on a big-endian machine, and as {0x34, 0x12, 0x78, 0x56} on a little-endian machine.
18:47:45dataangelweird, I was always taught it was by bit
18:51:15dataangelso within each 2 byte chunk the order is reversed. I still don't see how using shorts instead of chars helps anything though
18:51:57linuxstbIf you were to use an array of chars, which order would you use? 0x12, 0x34 or 0x34, 0x12 for each 16-bit value?
18:52:42linuxstbBTW, I think we're straying off-topic for this channel, feel free to continue in #rockbox-community...
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18:56:58kurzhaarrockerHi. I have a bunch of mp3 files that have wrong sampling rate bits in the frame headers. Does anybody know a tool that can fix that? It should walk throug all frame headers and change only the sampling rate (from 24 kHz to 48 kHz)
18:57:29domonokymcuelenaere: try just "qmake && make" in the rbutilqt folder
18:58:39mcuelenaeredomonoky: ok seems to work
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19:19:04preglowany strong feelings on what time intervals to use for the "skip length" setting?
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19:27:52preglowand should we use the word "song" or "track" when describing what we skip?
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19:36:11linuxstb"track" (IMO)
19:36:29*stripwax seconds
19:36:39linuxstbI've no opinion on the time intervals, but Llorean's list from earlier seemed sensible
19:37:17*preglow looks for it
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19:38:15linuxstbMaybe something shorter than 30s though - e.g. maybe add 5s and 15s
19:38:47*shotofadds got a FAT16 partition to mount on his M200
19:38:53linuxstb<Llorean> A "Skip Mode" setting, with a list of parameters like "Next Track, 30s, 1m, 2m, 3m, 4m, 5m, 10m, 15m"
19:38:59linuxstb(to save people searching...)
19:39:03shotofadds..it doesn't find any files though :(
19:39:22linuxstbshotofadds: You've got a tcc77x NAND driver?
19:39:27preglowseveral units in one settings will be... fun...
19:39:40linuxstbAdd 1h, 2h for good measure ;)
19:39:59shotofaddslinuxstb: it would appear so... I only changed the #defines at the top, so I think we can share code here :-)
19:40:45shotofaddsUnfortunately debugging why it doesn't find any files is not going to be much fun on a screen this size :/
19:41:11linuxstbI'm guessing gevaerts hasn't done any work on USB ?
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19:41:25shotofaddsnot that I know of
19:42:21preglowi knew this setting would be more bother than it's worth, can i just remove it? :)
19:43:07linuxstbI wouldn't object ;)
19:43:14linuxstbWho added it in the first place?
19:43:43preglowstephane doyon
19:44:40preglowseems weird to have a setting that disables your ability to skip tracks
19:45:19shotofaddslinuxstb: do you think I should move the 78x driver up to target/arm/ata-nand-telechips.c and put specifics in ata-target.h? (or would preglow like to finish his restructuring stuff first?)
19:45:39linuxstbI quite like the idea of being able to quickly seek by a configurable number of seconds though. But yes, I wouldn't want to lose the "skip track" ability at the same time...
19:46:02preglowshotofadds: nevermind my stuff, it's just debug for now anyway
19:47:07preglowshotofadds: are the two nand interfaces similar?
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19:47:42shotofaddspreglow: I didn't change any code (only a few #defines) in order to make it mount, so I guess so...
19:47:54linuxstbshotofadds: That sounds sensible to me. What specifics are there? Could they be in tcc7xxx.h ?
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19:48:40shotofaddslinuxstb: it's mainly CPU regs, but a few GPIOs and the like as well
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20:02:41preglowbloody settings macros
20:04:04tonyspeaksHello. I just wondered if there was any pending work on the VB script for making sound files for voices. I see it says the vb script is out of date. I tried to look around other parts of the site to see if thhere were other scripts for automated creation of voice file ffiles but couldn't find any.
20:05:36domonokytonyspeaks: there are 3 ways to make a voice file: with the buildsystem, with rbutil, or voicebox+ (dont know much about the last one)
20:05:37linuxstbWhat about rbutil?
20:08:10tonyspeaksoh. oki doki. I must not have looked very well. I'm severely visually impaired and only able to get what my screen reader tells me, so sometimes I may miss things on a page. Is that in the extras, or some other place?
20:08:50tonyspeaksthe voice box script allows us to make .talk clips for files, but I don't think it lets us build new voiices for the menu systems etc.
20:09:13preglowthat's right
20:09:33preglowbut rbutil makes ordinary voice files these days, doesn't it?
20:09:45domonokyrbutil and the build system can do this, but rbutil is still not very blind friendly.. (but you could help out :-) )
20:10:38preglowdomonoky: why isn't it friendly? a qt problem, still?
20:11:58domonokyit should be better now with the new Qt version, but it probably still has some problems.
20:12:57domonokyunfortuntly its difficult for us to test it. And we very few good feedbacks of blind people.. (we need to know exactly what doesnt work, to improve it)..
20:13:10domonoky+get
20:14:53*domonoky had the silly idea of bypassing all screenreader problems, by letting rbutil speak itself :-)
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20:15:35tonyspeaksmy wife is sighted, so she can help me with it if I need it. I'm so sorry for this next question, but can you tell me where I can find that utility. It would really help me save some time if you could tell me and I just got rock boxx a couple of days.
20:16:11domonokytonyspeaks: you can find it here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility
20:16:35preglowdomonoky: well, a special mode that does speak might be nice... but it's also nice to allow visually impaired people to use the tools theyre comfortable with
20:17:22tonyspeaksthank you so very much. And this will work with the current English lang file?
20:17:32domonokytonyspeaks: it would be really nice, if you could try how good it works with a screenreader, and report all problems with exact description (maybe with sighted help) to us, or into our bug tracker
20:17:54domonokytonyspeaks: it can even generate voicefiles for different languages..
20:18:04tonyspeaksI'll do my bes to do that. I understand the need for that kind of info.
20:18:27shotofaddsAnyone object if I rename firmware/target/arm/ata-target.h to ata-pp-target.h, since that's what it is?
20:18:54preglowshotofadds: none i can think of
20:19:25tonyspeakswow thhat's good news. I had to try to make my own voice because the kate one from the voice wiki doesn't work right with the Sansa E250, and I don't understand teh festival one very well.
20:19:34*shotofadds was wondering why his target-specific ata-target.h wasn't being found.. think I'l rename mine ata-nand-target.h, too.
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20:21:19tonyspeaksPreglow, you typed: "well, a special mode that does speak might be nice... but it's also nice to allow visually impaired people to use the tools theyre comfortable with"
20:21:26tonyspeaksthat's very very well said.
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20:21:53tonyspeaksstill, even a special speaking mode would be very nice.
20:23:08bluebrotherIMO we should first find a way to make it nicer with screenreaders. And push the CLI version :)
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20:25:12domonokybluebrother: how reliable is mountpoint resolving with ipodpatcher on windows ? (because the fallback for the mountpoint in windows doesnt work, mountpoint always gets overwritten.. )
20:25:46bluebrotherwell, the unc -> driveletter resolving should be 100% reliably
20:26:12tonyspeaksthe best way to make any application nicer with screen readers, assuming a Windows environment, is to use standard MS controls and use MSAA and following programming conventions about keyboard awareness and properly naming the controls so the prompts are spoken by the screen reaader properly.
20:26:32preglowthat's the problem, we use a cross platform toolkit
20:26:41preglowso we can support other platforms than windows easily
20:26:53tonyspeaksIs it written in Java?
20:26:59domonokyno Qt is C++
20:26:59bluebrothertonyspeaks: "standard MS controls" is out of question. We use a cross platform toolkit but that uses MS controls. And MSAA.
20:28:03tonyspeaksah, well then it may work I'll have to try it and see. Another way is to use the speech api from ms, but I suppose that wouldn't work cross platform either.
20:28:24bluebrotherthink is that Qt has some bugs regarding voice (for example, until Qt 4.4 there was a known issue with tab bars)
20:28:38domonokytonyspeaks: we know that it workes to some degree, but could have problems somewhere..
20:29:20tonyspeaksoh ok. Well, I'll be glad to help out with that if I find any major problems with the speech. Thank you very much for the info and url.
20:29:25bluebrotherfor example, I have almost no idea how you'd expect it to work. Even with voice the workflow is different.
20:31:18preglowbluebrother: problem with qt these days is that it does some very fancy trickery internally, the controls don't really map to standard windows controls any longer
20:31:43preglowand i doubt accessability is one of their main focus areas
20:31:50bluebrotherthey don't? I thought they switched to that at some point to allow uxtheme.dll stuff working
20:31:52preglowthough they are aware of it
20:32:05bluebrother(and it in fact works fine for me, even with a hacked uxtheme.dll)
20:32:13tonyspeakseven if they don't do that, as long as the controls are their own windows, the JAWS scrreen reader can be scripted to work better with it if the elements like control ID are unique.
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20:32:57domonokythere are also way to tweak how rbutil interacts with the Accessibility API, we just need to know where to tweak :-)
20:33:14preglowbluebrother: i think they have moved away from native windows (which all controls are when coding winapi), for example, to prevent flickering when redrawing
20:34:02bluebrotherpreglow: interesting. Haven't heard of that ... but how do they do the theme stuff now?
20:34:55preglowbluebrother: they use the native apis to _draw_ the controls, but they might not use the native stuff for anything else
20:35:11bluebrotherah. hmm.
20:35:55preglowbluebrother: but i'm no qt expert, don't take all this for facts. i just use it myself :)
20:36:20bluebrotherI use it myself too. But not too much on windows ;-)
20:36:35preglowjust recently started using it on windows myself
20:36:58tonyspeaksI'm glad it's not written in Java. That languuage is notorious for not playing nice with screen readers, and there isn't much that can be done about it when it comes to tweaking the screen readers.
20:37:18bluebrothertonyspeaks: most people in here don't like java ... ;-)
20:37:40tonyspeaksIt's not the fault of Java itself either. They have the accessibility bridge, bt the companies that make the screen readers haven't done much to proplery interact with it.
20:37:50tonyspeaksoh well. I digress.
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20:43:11tonyspeaksThank you all for your help and info. I hope I can return the kindness some time.
20:43:17tonyspeakstake care
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20:57:23Lloreanlinuxstb: I think for 5s and 15s intervals, normal seek is probably good enough.
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21:00:31StroggI installed rockbox from svn about a week ago and now when I unplug my ipod from my computer, it boots into the default itunes firmware. If I hold menu+select and force a reboot, then it boots up into rockbox like normal. Any idea why it's going into itunes after leaving the computer?
21:00:41Stroggmy old install didn't seem to do this
21:00:54Stroggs/I installed/I updated/
21:01:04linuxstbDo you have the hold switch on when you unplug?
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21:01:28Strogglinuxstb: I do, actually
21:01:50linuxstbThat's how you tell Rockbox you want to start the original firmware.
21:01:54Stroggis that a hardware alias for "boot into clean firmware" ?
21:02:05StroggOh.. well damn. Can I disable that?
21:02:27linuxstbNot without modifying the source code and building your own version of the Rockbox bootloader.
21:03:06Strogghrmmm ok. I'll file that away mentally for later on when I have time. I've got the source already, so I suppose I could.. just in the middle of a project right now. :)
21:03:11Strogglinuxstb: Thanks for the info
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21:07:28fmlNico_P (for the logs): nice commit! One remark: shouldn't 'wps_data->num_viewports >= WPS_MAX_VIEWPORTS' in parse_viewport also return LIMITS_EXCEDED?
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21:11:50fmlA question to all Linux users (this is indirectly related to rockbox): what editor do you use for editing C files? Preferrably not vi or emacs since I can't learn the shortcuts. I recently changed from windows to linux and can't find an editor as good as textpad. I tend to use textpad (under wine).
21:12:10shadoxxfml: lol, you don't want to open up that can of worms
21:12:14shadoxxbut i use nano
21:12:41shadoxxnano is the closest thing to notepad i've come across so far
21:13:06linuxstbThat's a selling point?
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21:13:39linuxstbfml: But discussion of text editors is a #rockbox-community topic...
21:13:56fmlshadoxx: this would rather make me turn away from nano! :-)
21:14:14fmllinuxstb: Ok, I'll switch over there
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21:16:31saratogai use textpad on Windows with a terminal session +samba to my linux machine
21:16:59*shotofadds is using Textpad via Samba right now
21:17:46merbananlinuxstb: can I ask you a dvda question ?
21:17:59saratogai never realized how fast low bitrate WMA was
21:18:26saratogai figured it was slower due to all the random codec features that get turn on, but evidently not, since I'm getting ~12MHz for 20kbps
21:18:40saratogathats comparable to FLAC
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21:31:51preglowsaratoga: how's it sound at that rate?
21:34:50saratogapreglow: suprisingly ok
21:34:59LloreanHow fast is speex these days?
21:35:19saratogai'd never confuse it with the original, but its not distorted enough to find it really distracting
21:37:56saratogapreglow: i'm trying to figure out how to set the debug menus to only update once per second
21:38:04saratogabut its not obvious to me what controls the update rate
21:39:03saratogahmm I take back the good numbers for WMA at 20kbps, looks like it was a problem with test_codec
21:39:20saratogai suppose i shouldn't just copy it into the official build when I've compiled it with a different one
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21:55:59preglowLlorean: pretty fast
21:56:19preglowLlorean: i can give you some numbers if you've got a specific platform in mind
21:56:27saratogaPP?
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22:04:35preglowLlorean: any reason you ask?
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22:19:38Lloreanpreglow: I was just curious which codecs are essentially boostless at bitrates suitable for audiobooks.
22:20:06LloreanNothing major.
22:21:02preglowshould be boostless
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22:21:24LloreanCool
22:21:26preglowi'm still not finished optimizing speex, but it's more than suable now
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22:22:10LloreanWell, 95% of my listening is done on my Gigabeat anyway. But I was planning on re-fixing my c200 and using it for audiobooks.
22:26:00preglowbeh, can't do builds now, thanks to broken tree
22:28:23*preglow hates wading around in menu code
22:29:20*preglow proceeds to wonder what to do about the multiple units in one setting
22:29:46LloreanStart at "1 minute" and skip multiple units.
22:29:55LloreanIt is *coarse* seeking, finer seeking can use the normal seek anyway. :-P
22:30:31preglowsounds like music to my ears
22:31:16preglowthe following list of skip times sounds good to me: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 10, 15
22:31:17preglowok?
22:31:26LloreanYeah
22:31:31preglowgoodness
22:32:10LloreanI mean, I imagine most files people are likely to jump around are <2 hours. Then again, I don't know the normal usage case.
22:33:16preglowme neither, so let's just go with this and see if people whine
22:33:40preglowi don't really see the point with this setting at all anyway, i just can't bear watching it in its current form
22:34:31LloreanIf I had an audio textbook or something, I could see being able to skip 5 minute increments being preferable to using the normal seek.
22:34:42preglowhmm, yeah
22:34:52preglowbut not if it meant switching of regular track skipping
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22:35:08preglowthat's the part that doesn't sit well with me, really
22:35:31preglowplease disregard typos, the lag is so bad here i can't be bothered to proofread :P
22:35:38LloreanHeh
22:35:48LloreanWell, people will use it, or won't. But at least it's less stupid now.
22:35:54preglowyep
22:36:57preglowbluebrother: does rbutil support os x talk apis?
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22:37:38bertrikCan't we make something like track skipping with prev/next in play mode and time skipping with prev/next in pause mode?
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22:38:55preglowbertrik: i don't think that's very logical behaviour by default
22:39:30preglowand if i have to tweak a setting to enable it, we might as well just stick with this
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22:40:10bertrikI often wonder about this study mode, nobody really likes as far as I know, yet it was added somehow and we're still messing with it
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22:41:03preglowbertrik: well, people seemed to be for it in the tracker task
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22:41:49preglowif people keep their silence, i think it's ok to add something after it's been refined enough
22:44:15bluebrotherpreglow: only as much as Qt supports the accessibility engine of OS X. According to the docs this is supported.
22:44:38preglowbluebrother: i was thinking more of speech apis for generating voice files
22:45:02preglowbluebrother: i don't even know if you can use the speech engine that way, though
22:45:10bluebrotherah. No, it only supports SAPI through that vbs script
22:45:29preglowbluebrother: do you use any platform specific stuff in rbutil at all?
22:45:49bluebrotheryes. For voices its the vbs script
22:46:12preglowomkeys
22:46:19preglowthe leopard voice really is quite decent
22:47:18bluebrotherbut as nobody is really working on the osx version that gets treated almost like being linux.
22:47:43bluebrotherfor some platform specific things (like mountpoint resolving) I used BSD docs
22:48:27preglowwell
22:48:33preglowi should try it out and see if there's something i can do
22:48:53bluebrotherwould be great.
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23:04:05domonokyrbutil can use flite and espeak on any platform, but it uses them as external executables.
23:05:09preglowhmm
23:05:40domonokyif someone know how i could interface with the mac voice api, i will try to implement it.. :-)
23:05:47*preglow tries "say I am not mute" and gets the expected result
23:06:03preglowso worst case we could just use "say" on mac
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23:08:00preglowwould be a quick enough hack to add, i suppose
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23:10:16domonokyyes, should be easy... just add two lines of code in tts.cpp, the name and description for the gui, and a template to call it :-)
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23:15:12preglowdomonoky: there's a decent api for it as well
23:15:31domonokydo have a link ?
23:16:28preglowhttp://developer.apple.com/documentation/Carbon/Reference/Speech_Synthesis_Manager/Reference/reference.html
23:16:40preglowhaven't yet discovered if it's c or objc, heh
23:16:50preglowlooks like there are two apis, one objc
23:17:53preglowusing the objc api would probably require us to use the apple objective c 2.0 gcc
23:18:10preglowbut i really have no idea about objc stuff
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23:19:04domonokyusing objc doesnt sound nice, we could use a small apple script like we do on windows with sapi and vbs :-)
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23:19:41preglowif we put all the objc stuff in a file by itself with small c based entry points, i think it can be hidden away nicely
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23:21:34preglowi should just add "say" support for now. i supports dumping its output to aiff, and the user can change the voice to use either in sysprefs or specify it in an input box
23:22:01preglowwould probably also mean adding aiff support somewhere else too...
23:22:48domonokythen our encoders needs to understand aiff, mostly rbspeexenc..
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23:23:25preglowwhich i coded, incidentally...
23:24:03preglowoh well, i'm the one wanting mac support :)
23:24:16domonoky:-)
23:25:14*domonoky thinks about multithreaded encoding for rbutil, is rbspeexenc reentrant safe ? :-)
23:25:54preglowhahah
23:25:57preglowanything else would surprise
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23:27:14preglowhmm
23:27:26preglowisn't the rbspeexenc code integrated into rbutil now, though?
23:27:38domonokyyes, it is..
23:28:01preglowit might not be reentrant, then
23:28:03preglowlet me check it out
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23:29:21preglownah, i didn't change the encoder to allocate a static state, so it should work
23:29:37domonoky:-)
23:29:56preglowdecoder surely isn't reentrant, though
23:30:16domonokyi only need the encoder :-)
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23:56:37preglowthis menu/settings macro stuff thoroughly confuses me

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