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#rockbox log for 2008-07-20

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00:03:17saratogabluebrother: the makefile works, but changing the ASF parser to work with and without rockbox will require more preprocessor work then I'm up to today
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00:04:41bluebrotherwell, nice to hear that at least the Makefile issue works now. Good luck for the rest ;-)
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00:05:35bluebrotherhmm, looks like the rbspeex makefile could be modified to work without sed. Would make things easier for rbutil on w32.
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01:13:00Strife89I'm back to work on the WPS port. I ran the simulator from the terminal and tried to load the WPS. I got this error:
01:13:00Strife89Failed parsing on line 42 : Invalid parameter list for token 2: "No token"
01:13:00Strife89Here is line 42 of the WPS:
01:13:00DBUGEnqueued KICK Strife89
01:13:00Strife89%s%al%pp. %?it<%it|%fn> - %?ia<%ia|%?d2<%d2|(Artist Unknown)>> - %?id<%id|%?d1<%d1|(Album Unknown)>>
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01:33:22strife89Please, can anyone lend a hand?
01:35:17PaulJami don't see anything obviously wrong. could you pastebin the whole WPS?
01:36:48strife89Yeah, hang on. It's not mine; I'm porting it.
01:37:13PaulJamthe line works fine in the H300 uisom, so the error seems to be elsewhere
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01:37:36strife89Did you read the error the terminal gave me, though?
01:38:49strife89Here's the address to the theme. Pastebin coming in a moment.
01:38:50PaulJami don't know what the errors mean. usually the line number is sufficient to find the error
01:38:54strife89http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano#AAPodSVN
01:39:57strife89It says "Line 42: Invalid Parameter". I'd say this means that something specified goes beyond the allowed range (of the screen, perhaps).
01:40:11Nico_Pstrife89: try adding −−deugwps to the command line and look at the last tokens
01:41:27PaulJam−−debugwps
01:42:40strife89Wow, um......
01:43:35strife89Do you mind if I pastebin the output?
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01:44:03Nico_Pstrife89: you could also try to figure it out, it's really not hard
01:44:33Nico_Plook towrads the end. there should be the tokens of line 42 there
01:45:24Strife81http://pastebin.com/m374d64bf
01:45:55strife89Seriously, I'm trying.
01:46:17strife89I've tried for 4 hours already.......
01:47:22PaulJami would say the viewport is outside the screen area
01:48:01Strife81>.<
01:48:29Nico_Pwhat, that's all? what's on the first 41 lines ?
01:48:46strife89Mostly image refs.
01:49:16Nico_Pok
01:49:18strife89I already said that the theme isn't mine; it's here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano#AAPodSVN
01:50:01strife89I've changed it some already if you think that would help (but line 42, I haven't)
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01:50:35PaulJamdoes your editor show line numbers or did you count yourself?
01:51:08strife89Myself. I'm using gedit. :(
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01:51:51PaulJamthen count again, i have the impression that the viewport definition is on line 42
01:52:14Nico_Pwould make more sense
01:52:35Strife81Now I REALLY feel stupid.
01:52:51Strife81Here's 42: %V|19|117|153|14|1|31659C|000000|
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01:53:03blaydeso i have a weird problem - my sansa e280 is stuck in karoke mode
01:53:19PaulJamthe viewport is definitely broken if i interpret the output correctly, the screen is only 80 high, but the VP starts at y=117
01:53:33strife89Yep.
01:53:49strife89The theme was made for the iPod Nano.
01:54:05strife89The target is the Sansa c200.
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01:55:21strife89bensawesome: karaoke mode?
01:55:25bertrikblayde, I don't actually know what karaoke mode is, but you can reset settings on the sansa by holding rec during startup
01:55:47bertrikblayde, any idea what caused the problem?
01:56:13strife89Score one for the guy with no sleep. >_< Sorry, ben.
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01:58:41blaydei was listening to it like normal and it got quiet all of a sudden and then the volume was kind of pulsating and then it was stuck in karaoke mode - all i can hear is the music, no voice
01:59:32bertrikpush the headphone connector in a bit further perhaps ... :P
01:59:54blaydei did a settings reset in the settings menu and just updated the rockbox stuff - i'm seeing if that fixed it right now
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02:00:06blaydeya it did - but that was weird
02:00:18ddaltoni'm voicing the stopwatch, just about done, but what is laptop timer? do you set it and it goes off at a certain time or something?
02:00:35ddaltonlap timer
02:00:37ddaltonsorry
02:02:13blaydei think something in the rockbox firmware got messed up? the settings reset didn't change anything (to do with the channel config) but updating it worked
02:03:00Strife81Another dead end.
02:03:12PaulJamblayde: could it be a hardware issue? i think when the ground of the headphones gets disconnected you get a similar effect.
02:04:13blaydeanyways, thanks for your help - rockbox literally rocks!
02:04:18bertrikblayde, weird, no idea right now
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02:05:57Strife81Guess I'm gonna give it up for now.
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03:27:46soapHas the idea been discussed of "forcing" all wiki members (at least all new) to leave a working email address or at mention their forum username so that odd changes can be discussed?
03:29:44linuxstbsoap: I think wiki admins can see email addresses
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03:30:47soaphmm
03:31:07linuxstbIs there a change in particular you think is odd?
03:32:53soapI was perusing the WPS galleries the other night and wanted to talk to some of the theme authors directly about some thoughts I had.
03:33:21x0pherHello, I am a little confused regarding wording on the guidelines, is a "new port" considered off topic as it is not an officially supported target. If so I think my introduction an question may possibly be immature at the moment.
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03:34:05soapnew port development discussion is never off-topic.
03:35:00linuxstbx0pher: What guidelines say you can't discuss new ports?
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03:36:13x0pherNumber 2. "Keep discussion Rockbox-related. Unsupported builds are classified as off-topic as well. If you wish to have off-topic chat, please go to #rockbox-community. "
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03:36:53linuxstb"Unsupported builds" refers to modified versions of Rockbox, not new ports.
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03:37:50soap"Unsupported Builds" is a phrase specifically referring to shared user-modified builds, which have their own section in the forum. I can see how the wording could be confusing, but that bullet point is more of a reiteration that only stock-rockbox is going to get support help.
03:40:43x0pherThank you for the clarification. I am playing with the Gigabeat S port. I wanted to make some themes for it. I signed up for the wiki just before joining here. I completed a theme on the S eariler. I'd like to permission to write to the wiki and upload it but there currently is not a WPS gallery for the Gigabeat S. Should I wait, I am not sure what how to upload it and apologize if I am unfamiliar with the method
03:45:23soapWPS galleries are organized by screen resolution. Am I correct that the Gigabeat F and X series have the same resolution as the S?
03:45:46x0pheryes
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03:46:18soapThen the WPS gallery needs updated to say F/X/S or such.
03:46:29soap(as opposed to creating a new gallery)
03:46:33x0phermakes sense
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03:49:15linuxstbx0pher: Are you ChristopherEllithorp ?
03:49:25x0pherI had started looking at themes and pulling some down from there, I found a bit of them did not load properly on the S without modification to the .wps file mostly appeared related to the progress bar....that is me, yes
03:50:35linuxstbx0pher: OK, you should now have write permissions in the wiki. Just add your themes to the Gigabeat F/X page for now - it will be renamed in due course.
03:51:05linuxstbThat problem doesn't sound specific to the S - the progress bar syntax was changed recently, so many themes are now broken
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03:54:20x0pherThank you very much. I hope to have a handful more created soon. I wondered about that, so many had followed the format preloading the pb graphic with the reference also later in the wps. I have fixed a few that I liked for personal use. I have to grab the menu screen and I will upload. Currently running the battery plugin.
03:54:58linuxstbx0pher: Thank you - we need users like yourself to maintain the themes,
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03:56:14wpyhabout the button mapping for plugins
03:56:44wpyhthere was some kind of discussion on the devcon
03:56:45CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
03:56:45*linuxstb wonders when "index" changed to "docs index" in the menu, and points Llorean to it (to change the forums html)
03:56:46x0pherI became curious after you mentioned the formatting changing slightly. Should I upload the ones that I have updated if the license allows?
03:56:54wpyhhas anyone implemented anything yet?
03:57:24linuxstbx0pher: Yes, please do.
03:59:42x0pherI will gather the lot beyond what I have. Is there any one else working on this?
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04:00:55linuxstbI don't know, but I expect there are others like yourself - updating themes they use themselves.
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04:36:42kushal_12_27_200hello, I am not sure if this is directly relevant here but I am wondering how I can play amr audio files in my rockbox in sansa c250
04:40:11midgeykushal_12_27_200: seems relevant enough
04:40:23midgeyamr files don't play in rockbox, we don't have a codec for them
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04:40:35kushal_12_27_200thanks
04:41:47midgeyI think ffmpeg has support for amr. Someone (you? ;) would have to port it over.
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05:59:46soapwill you please stop that, windows[] aka Bensawesome.
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06:20:23Lloreanlinuxstb: I can't access rockbox.org right now, due to some weirdness that's been plaguing me for a day or so with my ISP.
06:20:42LloreanIs the string simply "docs index" no caps or anything?
06:23:50Lloreanlinuxstb: Changed it to that, if it's wrong let me know tomorrow and I'll re-fix things.
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06:39:01midgeyLlorean: looks like it matches fine
06:40:18soapAm I the only one who is seeing the forum time as offset from local?
06:40:37soapI don't recall it being wrong before, but perhaps I've been blind all these months.
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06:45:10midgeyit's on central time for me (i'm eastern time)
06:45:57mrzaiusi'm looking to replace my creative zen micro photo w/something that supports rockbox
06:46:02mrzaiusmaybe
06:46:08soapditto. I don't recall it being the hour off as recently as earlier this week. Infact I would bet money it wasn't.
06:46:46mrzaiusi've read about how the ipod strips audiobooks from its shuffled content
06:47:08mrzaiusbut only if transcoded to an a4b file
06:47:10midgeysoap: well, i just modified my "look and layout preferences" and hit auto-detect. It gave me an offset of 1 and now my time is right,
06:47:31mrzaiuswhat's the rockbox approach to the problem?
06:47:49soaphuh, I hit auto-detect and it gave me an offset of 0.
06:47:50mrzaiuscan you exclude by id3 genre tags?
06:48:07mrzaiusor exclude a specific folder?
06:48:24soapI do believe you can exclude a folder from the database.
06:49:16midgeyyou can ignore a folder by creating a file called database.ignore in that folder
06:49:18mrzaiusdoes that prevent you from playing the track altogether, or just keep it out of shuffle playlists?
06:49:37soapmrzaius, depends on how you build your shuffled playlist.
06:50:03soapRockbox is not primarily a database-based player.
06:50:09midgeythe folder simply isn't indexed in the database, if you go to the folder in file view you can access all it's files
06:50:32soapIt /has/ a database feature, but Rockbox is a file-based player at its heart.
06:50:36maraz_grr.
06:51:20mrzaiushow are the bookmarks stored? would doing iiyt
06:51:42mrzaiusit this way prevent bookmark usage on these files?
06:54:43mrzaiusare the bookmarks part of the db, or static files?
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07:24:04blaydeso ya - you remember how my sansa was 'stuck' in karaoke mode and i had to update the firmware?
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10:16:24Earwormhey folks, is there any other program aside logscobbler in order to send my last.fm logs?
10:17:46bertrikqtscrobbler
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10:18:46Earwormthis is compatible with rockbox logs right?
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10:19:39bertrikyes
10:20:33Earwormoh wow, and they just released a new version! alright, I'll email them to see if they can make it portable, that would be awesome if possible
10:23:06Earwormoh wait, it is portable! AWESOME!
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10:28:49Earwormbertrik: have you ever got a "Error parsing file" message?
10:29:04EarwormI am trying to open the scrobbler file that's what I get
10:30:54bertrikEarworm, no I've never gotten that, but I also don't use it very often. Do you see any corruption in the file if you look at it in a file editor?
10:31:10Earwormthe log file?
10:31:34bertrikyes, the main scrobbler log file
10:31:56bertrik.scrobbler.log
10:33:17EarwormI don't see anything unusual
10:35:41Earwormdang, I got no luck with these things...
10:36:00Earwormoh well I'll try with a fresh log file, maybe it gets corrupted or something
10:36:09Earwormthat doesn't make sense though
10:37:51Earwormbertrik: maybe I missed something, where I am supposed to put the exe file of the program?
10:39:22bertrikEarworm, on your windows or Linux machine, definitely not on your audio player :)
10:39:31Earwormwindows
10:39:36Earwormwell I tried from my desktop
10:39:56Earwormactually
10:40:01Earwormapparently I haven't
10:40:02Earwormhold on
10:41:22Earwormoh here we go! I was trying to start it directly from the drive. maybe that should be my suggestion heh?
10:43:05Earworm:)
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11:43:13bluebrothersomeone with mac around? I've made some changes to the speex Makefile and want to know if this universal lib / binary stuff still works
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11:53:04bluebrotherhmm, my logic is still broken :/
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12:05:04bluebrotherhow can I add a variable value to a makefile prerequisite? I.e. I want to add a value before the rule matches, but only if the rule matches
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12:46:54peturJdGordon: there's still work on it. I'm now changing the peakmeter to handle different heights per screen, and then I still have to do the button handling. But the adapting to bigger fonts looks nice
12:47:31JdGordongreat
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12:59:59fermcganyone who actually developed a codec to exchange some info?
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13:02:28linuxstbfermcg: What's your question? Are you trying to port a codec to Rockbox?
13:03:03fermcglinuxstb: kind of... I'm thinking about turning something that generates audio based on a text file into a codec (sbagen)
13:04:11GodEaterfermcg: we have someone else doing that too currently
13:04:15fermcglinuxstb: maybe it's better to make it just an application. I'd like to talk to people involved in rockbox to discuss which option is better. I have a sansa
13:04:49fermcgGodEater: oh yeah? where can I dind't find it... just found out sbagen works in sansalinux
13:05:22GodEaterfermcg: I don't think he's posted any information anywhere yet
13:05:23linuxstbYes, I would say a plugin seems to be more suited for that than a codec. Unless you want to add sbagen files to playlists, and mix with other filetypes...
13:05:51linuxstbGodEater: Do you know if the other implementation is a plugin or codec?
13:05:52GodEaterMU{lappy} is the guy who's interested in it, he seems away currently though
13:06:00GodEaterplugin I believe
13:06:25fermcgGodEater: hmmm I'll try to reach him to see if he needs help
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13:07:48GodEaterfermcg: I think he'd welcome that :D
13:08:33fermcgGodEater: just pm'd him... I never coded for rockbox, but there's always a first time anyways :)
13:08:43linuxstbfermcg: Do you know how well it works in sansalinux?
13:09:26linuxstbfermcg: Also, looking at the source to sbagen, I see it includes libmad and libvorbis - do you know what they are used for?
13:09:38fermcglinuxstb: No, I just found about sansalinux today. I didn't even install it on my Sansa... Sansalinux doesn't have recording yet so I thought it's a bad tradeoff
13:10:42*linuxstb notices that sbagen is licensed under "GPL v2 only"...
13:11:53fermcglinuxstb: It can mix the binaural beats with a background ogg file - that's probably the reason for the libs
13:13:48fermcglinuxstb: what's rockbox license ?
13:14:35linuxstb"GPL v2 or later"
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13:15:05fermcghmm ok...
13:15:27fermcgdoes this matter if this is an application?
13:15:36linuxstbYes
13:15:38fermcgmaybe it just can't be packaged with rockbox
13:17:01linuxstbAny version of Rockbox that includes sbagen would need to be "GPL v2 only". We don't want to do that with the official distribution.
13:17:45fermcgI'll send an email to sba's head... maybe he doesn't have a strong reason to stick to GPL v2 only
13:20:08linuxstbLet's hope so.
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13:25:57domonokywould it be possible to ship plugins with a different licences in a extra package ? (ie. rockbox.zip + pluginsGPLv2Only.zip ) then rockbox itself could stay GPLv2 or Later, i think...
13:25:57linuxstbfermcg: Do you know anything about fixed-point arithmetic? It looks like sbagen is using floating-point, which will be very slow on our target devices (no hardware FPU)
13:27:21Lloreandomonoky: Actually, I can't see why it wouldn't be. Since Rockbox is GPLv2 or later, you can compile GPLv2 code against it and you just end up with a GPLv2 Rockbox binary
13:27:25fermcglinuxstb: I used FP many years ago (about 10 years I guess) when there were no videocards to make games lol
13:27:51LloreanSo you (in my opinion) should be able to separately distribute GPLv2, GPLv3, and GPLv2 or Later plugins, I would think
13:28:12LloreanSimilar to how ffmpeg can be compiled under different licenses depending on which features you enable.
13:28:15fermcglinuxstb: I mean... when you did direct access to VGA (I'm drifting)
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13:28:25domonokyjup, and rbutil could install all those differen zips automatically.. :-)
13:29:00linuxstbI would prefer to just include sbagen in official builds, and then if we ever wanted to go to v3, then remove it. I don't think one plugin is worth the complication.
13:29:19Lloreanlinuxstb: Well, there's the espeak plugin that is probably worth including too...
13:29:21linuxstbfermcg: OK. That's the reason I was curious to know how fast it ran on sansalinux.
13:30:15fermcgI sent the guy an email... let's see what's the reason to stick to v2 only
13:31:19Lloreanlinuxstb: While I'm not sure it needs immediate decision, it does seem like we should figure out if this is really an option, or just bad assumptions on domonoky and my parts, since it might be useful in the future too.
13:31:26fermcgas far as I know audio processing, I would tell fixed points should be enough
13:31:51LloreanIt seems to me configure could prompt for the version of GPL and compile plugins based on which you pick.
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13:34:54domonokyor simply put the gplv2only und gplv3 plugins in extra zips, with a different licence file :-)
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13:35:41LloreanWell the GPL is an issue of distribution.
13:35:59LloreanWe should be able to separate source files in any combination of licenses, since the they aren't linked until you compile
13:36:05LloreanAnd users can compile in any combination they like
13:36:13LloreanIt's just the binary distribution we have to worry about, afaik.
13:37:11fermcglinuxstb: there's something worse than FP to worry about... it uses pthreads... I think rockbox doesn't want pthreads right?
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13:38:39linuxstbNo, but I would expect that to be relatively easy to remove. Rockbox has its own threading implementation, if the plugin really needs threads.
13:40:00fermcgit uses threads to mix the noises as I can see...
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13:45:19fmlHello. Could anybody with FS admn pesmissions please change the title of FS #8965 to 'WPS tag for displaying the skip length'?
13:45:32JdGordonim coming in late to the convo, but didnt we just decide to go gpl v2 or later? isnt this a bad time to introduce some v2 only code? whos to say more doesnt get added on the wrong assumption that we can just remove the v2 only code later (which may be very difficult)
13:46:49JdGordonfml: dont
13:46:52JdGordondone*
13:46:57linuxstbWhy would removing a plugin be very difficult? I'm not saying I'm in favour of doing that, just that it will be relatively harmless.
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13:47:53JdGordonwell now its a plugin, but it might be something in the core next time
13:48:05fmlJdGordon: thanks! Did you want to say 'don't ask'? (Freud effect :-)))
13:48:21linuxstbJdGordon: If it's core code, we wouldn't do it...
13:48:26*domonoky thinks we should try to find a way to have a mix of gplv2 gplv2orLater and gplv3 plugins
13:48:39JdGordonfml: hehe maybe.. dunno how done became dont but oh well :p
13:49:03JdGordonlinuxstb: we is 80+ commiters... you dont think its possible one of us does it?
13:49:21LloreanJdGordon: We've decided the license is GPLv2 or Later
13:49:32LloreanAdding plugins won't change the Rockbox license, whereas adding core code will.
13:49:50LloreanAt worst, a plugin can just affect the license of a single binary distribution of Rockbox.
13:50:20JdGordonright
13:50:39LloreanSo as long as there's a set policy on the issue _before_ it's done, there's no risk.
13:50:52JdGordonanyway... cant the plugin/codec api be dual licensed to get aroud the issue?
13:52:05JdGordonLlorean: and later if we deicde to go v3... what happens if the plugin is forgotten about?
13:52:23LloreanJdGordon: "Forgotten" how?
13:52:28LloreanThe license will still be around
13:52:39LloreanWe just when GPLv2 or Later and we're handling tracking down code that's v2 explicit well enough
13:52:41Llorean*went
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13:53:44JdGordonyeah, but now we can assume that all the current code is v2+ which means we dont need to do any extra checking to go v3
13:54:12LloreanAnd if we restrict it to plugins with explicit license, it takes a quick check to verify we're ready for v3
13:54:32LloreanYou could even just keep a list of plugin names and their licenses in the source if it's that big a concern.
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14:01:27*linuxstb hopes the sbagen doesn't object to v2 or later, so we don't have to worry about this
14:01:55LloreanIt would make things easier. :)
14:02:48fermcgI hope so... anyways it's just another plugin everybody can live without :)
14:03:02fermcgI'll let you know if the guy answers. I have to leave now
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14:03:08fermcgthanks for everything
14:03:30domonokylinuxstb: we the same problem, the other way round with the espeak plugin...
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14:05:37*petur tried sbagen recently and wouldn't mind if it didn't make it into rockbox
14:07:14linuxstbdomonoky: That's harder though - IIUC, we would ideally want to integrate espeak into the core, rather than just use it as a plugin.
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14:26:03Nico_Pah, I got it to work by piping the output to aplay :)
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14:44:25linuxstbdomonoky: Any news from your SoC student? Is his SVN problem resolved?
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14:46:40domonokyi think we have a solution for the svn problem, but the student wasnt able to work last week because of some "personal problems", which he told me yesterday.. *grr* :-/
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14:53:34peturstudents should really understand GSoC is just like any other job. You can't just take a break because you need it
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15:01:07BigBambi_*students* :)
15:10:37*petur lives near the university so he knows how to hate students ;)
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15:11:49peturnot all of them, just the noisy ones ;)
15:13:37bertrikfunny how a battery_bench file contains instructions not to open any plugins while it is running, yet it requires a plugin in the first place to open the file and view it
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15:14:41Lloreanbertrik: You can't run two plugins at once, though, and opening the file partway through would pretty much defeat the purpose of a bench anyway since you're triggering backlight and extra disk spinup and so on
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15:15:33JdGordonits an artificial bench anyway
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15:18:49stripwaxbertrik - should say not to open any *other* plugins while it is running
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15:20:07bertrikyeah, It's like printing a warning on a roll of photo film to not expose it to light
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15:20:56stripwax?
15:21:29stripwaxI think the instructions are pretty clear. you should run the bench until the device powers off.
15:24:34bertrikThe funny thing is that you can only read the instructions afterwards
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15:33:24peturJdGordon: users.telenet.be/petur/recscreen.png
15:33:54JdGordonnice work :)
15:34:06JdGordondo the bars really need to be that big? :D
15:34:21peturthey are the same height as the font
15:34:31JdGordonI see... but...
15:34:40peturand big bars is the most wanted feature ;)
15:34:47peturI agree they look ugly
15:35:31peturmaybe some outlining would make them look better
15:35:36peturand some color
15:36:12amiconnugly...
15:36:12LloreanSkinning the peakmeter in the WPS would be nice anyway, then you could just re-use the skin
15:36:37peturamiconn?
15:37:01stripwaxbertrik - are the instructions also in the wiki?
15:37:05amiconnI mean the huge peakmeters
15:37:12BigBambi_useful though
15:37:15amiconnAnd what happened to the sliders?
15:37:29petursliders?
15:38:09amiconnHmm, somehow I remembered a really old recscreen layout
15:38:18peturthought so ;)
15:38:19pixelmado you have to enter the "gain l+r" menu etc.?
15:38:26pixelmasettings
15:38:40peturno, it› just a list, it works as before
15:38:58pixelmaand what's with the value?
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15:39:03peturjust no fancy way of combining L+R
15:39:16peturthe value isn't there yet, still working on it
15:39:22pixelmaah, ok
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15:42:42pixelmawasn't there before IIRC
15:45:44BigBambi_In peturs picture?
15:46:02BigBambi_I thought that was the iriver remote
15:46:12peturthe screendup is of the h300 sim
15:46:15pixelmano, on my target with a current build. Does peturs picture show an Ondio recording screen?
15:46:16petur+m
15:46:26bertrikstripwax, yes there are instructions on the PluginBatteryBenchmark wiki page
15:46:46BigBambi_pixelma: No, I was confused as to what you were talking about :)
15:47:20pixelmaabout the Ondio recording screen... ;)
15:47:58*petur surprises himself and walks away to drink some coffee
15:48:00BigBambi_Yes, but I thought it was still in relation to petur's picture, which confused me
15:48:21BigBambi_but no longer! :)
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16:16:30stripwaxAny core devs have an opinion on profile build fixes in my patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9170 ? In particular, how to determine which flavour of objdump (arm-elf-objdump, .. etc) to execute from the perl script?
16:17:32*Llorean can't access the tracker today.
16:17:37LloreanAny reason why you couldn't just ask?
16:18:11stripwaxAsk progammatically?
16:18:25LloreanAsk the user.
16:18:44stripwaxIt's an arg on the command line, so I sort-of am asking the user
16:19:07stripwaxIf it's possible to figure out programmatically, it would be better!
16:19:38LloreanAh, I thought you were asking "how to determine programmatically"
16:20:04stripwaxI am. If it's not possible, I won't make any changes to the patch
16:20:20linuxstbstripwax: Why does "INDEX_MASK" conflict? IIUC, they are both local #defines in .c files (sudoku.c and profile.c), so shouldn't conflict
16:21:05stripwaxHm, possibly it used to be in profile.h and I hadn't updated the patch
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16:28:14bluebrotherdomonoky: I'm trying to create a way of building the universal binary in a single run for rbspeex. Is that important for the enc / decoders as well?
16:28:24stripwaxLooks like it builds fine without it these days, so that generator.c diff can come right out
16:28:28bluebrotheror can I still build those without the arch argument?
16:29:25domonokywe dont need universal enc/decoders, but it wouldnt hurt...
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16:30:11bluebrotherwell, it looks like creating them would make it a bit more tricky, so I guess I'll leave that out for now.
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16:30:45bluebrotherand now as there some guys active: how can I set a variable in the prerequisite of a target? I remember it's possible ...
16:31:22linuxstbbluebrother: What do you mean? Can you give an example?
16:32:30bluebrotherI want to have ARCH set to a specific value before the prerequisite is run.
16:32:44bluebrotheri.e. somehting like "mytarget: ARCH=ppc"
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16:34:16linuxstbSo instead of specifying the rule to compile mytarget, make would use the default rule, but with ARCH set to ppc?
16:35:18bluebrotherno, the rule should come too. I.e. "mytarget: libmylib.a", but when building that lib it should have set ARCH (and to be able creating an additional rule for ARCH=i386)
16:38:15linuxstbI assume you want a version of libmylib.a with ARCH=ppc as well?
16:39:18bluebrotheryes.
16:39:34*bluebrother searches for a pastebin with Makefile highlighting
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16:40:20linuxstbThen I can't see how that is possible - you can't have two different files with the same name...
16:40:33linuxstbI would just have libmylib-i386.a and libmylib-ppc.a
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16:41:54bluebrotherlinuxstb: well, the rule that triggers is libmylib-$(ARCH).a
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16:44:19bluebrotherso I want to have ARCH set before.
16:44:42linuxstbThen set it... I'm not understanding the issue. Can you paste the Makefile somewhere?
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16:46:26bluebrothersure ... just hoped to find a pastebin that supporte makefile hilighting. http://www.pastebin.ca/1077553
16:47:04bluebrotherthe problematic target is librbspeex-universal. It should trigger $(OUT)/librbspeex.a twice
16:51:43domonokybluebrother, you also have to build all the .o files for both architectures ..
16:52:38bluebrotherdomonoky: well, if ARCH is set correctly this is done ...
16:53:26bluebrotherand I can "make ARCH=ppc librbspeex.a" −− the arch specific objects are in a subfolder, so this should work fine.
16:53:33*linuxstb has to leave for a while...
16:53:38domonokyah, i see its in the CFlags.. :-)
16:53:54bluebrotherbut that's the problem with the ARCH variable: I need to set the variable and then call the output target.
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17:01:09domonokyi dont think this possible, make would have to reevaluate all uses of ARCH when you change it while running. but i am no Makefile expert...
17:02:52linuxstbI can't see how it's possible either... I think you may need to call the Makefile multiple times, with different variables set (or create another Makefile, for just building the lib, and call that twice from the main Makefile)
17:03:18linuxstbOr maybe it's possible if you expand the rules manually...
17:04:48bluebrotherhttp://www.pastebin.ca/1077563
17:05:17bluebrotherseems to work at least somewhat. But I'd prefer to not call make from internally :(
17:06:07bluebrotherdomonoky: can you check if that works correctly on os x?
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17:10:43domonokyseems to work..
17:11:29bluebrothershould I commit it?
17:12:30bluebrotherI'm not 100% satisfied with that but at least it's somewhat nicer
17:12:34domonokyif it also works for normal builds and other platforms, why not...
17:12:56domonokydont forget to also update the rbutilqt.pro file .. :-)
17:13:23bluebrotherwell, I tried building the non-universal lib and it seems to work fine −− at least on linux.
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17:15:22domonokywhy do the encoder and decoder targets also use the ARCH and OUT vars ?
17:17:08bluebrotherare the objects identical for those? There are still different architectures.
17:17:20*bluebrother is not familiar with this arch stuff on mac
17:18:09bluebrotherplus, the OUT is used by the compiler call. Making it different for that object would introduce another special case
17:20:10domonokyi see, OUT is needed, but ARCH is never used in those two targets...
17:20:28domonokyie ARCH is always empty
17:21:58bluebrotherhmm, true. But does building a universal binary work this way at all? I.e. if the librbspeex.a is a lipo'ed ar, will that work?
17:23:23domonokyif we want universal encoders and decoders, we need a universal .a file (ie what lipo produces) and the compile those two binarys with !both! arch specified in the same call
17:24:02domonokyor the otherway is, to again build two binarys and lipo it again :-)
17:24:50domonokythe normal way to produce universal binarys is to call gcc with two -arch commands...
17:24:54bluebrotherboth archs specified means adding -arch twice?
17:24:59domonokyjup
17:25:22domonokylike gcc ... -arch ppc -arch i386 ...
17:25:38bluebrotherhmm. Well, I think I'm going to leave it as it's now −− if we want universal binaries for the *coders we can add this later :)
17:26:04domonokywe do it like this for rbutil, but we have to work around ar in the rbspeex lib :-)
17:26:10*bluebrother wonders what lipo stands for
17:26:51bluebrotherI guess that workaround is now in the rbspeex Makefile ;-)
17:27:10domonokyjup
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17:50:45NiclasMHi, I've developed a theme for the iPod Video, so I'd like to have write access to the Wiki. User name NiclasMattsson.
17:52:58domonokyNiclasM: done, promise not to spam !!
17:53:05domonoky:-)
17:53:16NiclasMI promise. :) Thanks!
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18:04:23peturbah, the lis code isn't really suited for dynamic lists :/
18:05:28peturs/lis/list
18:08:51linuxstbpetur: I thought there was a mode where you use callback functions to populate the list widget?
18:09:38peturthere is, and I'm just finding my way around some of its limitations...
18:10:15peturI'll be inventive with the assignment of values to enums :)
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18:22:13bluebrotherdomonoky: btw, have you noticed "Rockbox Center" (rockboxcenter.berlios.de)?
18:22:53domonokyno, lets see..
18:25:34peturwow
18:26:06*bluebrother looks at petur
18:26:29peturtypical opensource behaviour.... let's do some parallel development and waste resources
18:26:36domonoky:-)
18:26:59bluebrotherI'm wondering how long it will take until that project vanishes −− it seems only one guy is working on it.
18:27:16bluebrotherplus, they face quite a lot of problems we already solved ;-)
18:27:22peturTop contributors: Paul Louden 17 points
18:27:31bluebrother(the thread on rockbox-lounge.com (german) is also kinda interesting about that)
18:27:55LloreanI posted a question to their "questions" page.
18:28:00bluebrotherpetur: yep, was surprised about that too. Then I found his post "Why not contribute directly?" ;-)
18:28:08peturhehe
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18:29:20bluebrotherI find it also interesting that they talk about PyGTK in the german forum thread for a GUI, and the project page says Qt4 :o
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18:38:57andashhi! i installed rockbox yesterday on my ipod video 30 gb and it works fine, except themes i install dont render properly, the theme background image will load but thats about it. the layout is always the same; song title, time remaining etc is all squashed at the top of the screen. is this a known bug?
18:39:35LloreanIt's a known issue, but not a bug. The theme file you're using is outdated and needs to be fixed.
18:39:53PaulJamread also this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0
18:39:54andashoh, i see!
18:40:00stripwaxandash - you just need to install themes that have been designed to work with the latest rockbox versions
18:40:24stripwaxunfortunately theme authors often don't update their themes to comply
18:40:58andashyeah but i've downloaded several that says something like "works with any of the latest daiy builds" but i guess thats outdated then...
18:41:32PaulJammaybe "someone" should makr all the broken themes as broken in the wiki, so there is less confusion.
18:41:42PaulJam*mark
18:42:48andashhow high is the probability that any of the listed themes actually work? haha
18:43:05*bluebrother notices another "easy rockbox install guide" not directing to rbutil −− we should start hiding the patchers ...
18:43:24bluebrotherto force those tutorials to break and authors finally update :/
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18:46:33PaulJamandash: from where did you download the themes?
18:47:14PaulJamnevermind
18:47:19andashPaulJam: i went to the official rockbox site first, but it redirects to another site due to bandwidth issues. one second
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18:47:52andashhttp://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/index.php?res=320x240x16
18:48:05andashright..
18:48:38andashis it a lot of work to redesign a theme?
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18:49:01PaulJamuse the Wpsgallery in the wiki instead. most of the themes on rockbox-themes are broken and can't be updated at the moment
18:49:10unstablethe proprietary ipod software started some how, when I unplugged the ipod from my computer
18:49:16unstablewhat is the shutdown button for the proprietary ipod?
18:49:24unstableno matter what I push or hold, I can't get it to shutdown
18:49:30unstablehold is not on
18:49:31Lloreanandash: rockbox-themes.org isn't the official Rockbox site...
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18:50:00Lloreanunstable: The original software doesn't really shut down. You'll need to use Menu+Select
18:50:02stripwaxunstable - hold down Play to 'turn off', hold down select + Menu to 'reboot'. Probably you had the HOLD switch on when you unplugged it
18:50:14andashLlorean: oh, ok..
18:50:17stripwax(HOLD switch on means 'boot into Apple software')
18:50:23unstableThanks Llorean, that did it. rockbox is back
18:50:32unstablestripwax: yea, I did
18:50:37unstableI understand what I did wront
18:50:39unstablewrong*
18:50:46unstablethanks everyone, I appreciate the help. have a good day
18:50:55andashLlorean: it's so similar to the official site i got confused haha.
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18:52:46andashunder Broken Themes on the wiki "1.Check rockbox-themes.org for an updated version" great :P
18:53:33Lloreanandash: Unfortunately it's a wiki. People add stuff like that. =/
18:54:55PaulJamRbUtil also takes the themes from that site, so the thought isn't too odd.
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18:55:58domonokyjup, we are still awaiting the official replacement site for rockbox-themes... *linuxstb ? :-) *
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19:05:25bluebrotherwe *really* should get an official theme site online, even if it's only read only.
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19:46:04kugelJdGordon: hey. Are you still interested in the pf updates (sorry for the inactivity, I was in spain the past 2 weeks)
19:48:33kugelSlasheri: ping
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20:09:28bluebrothergrrr. Watching a rockbox install tutorial, and while the video clearly shows there already are links to rockbox utility in the manual this guy uses ... the manual install. hmpf.
20:09:55bluebrothermanual installation instructions should really move to the appendix along a big warning to not use them unless you know what you're doing.
20:14:03peturbah... using enums really isn't a useable way to create dynamic lists :/
20:14:51peturis there a way to enumerate the enum value?
20:16:03bluebrotheryou can assign values to enums ... is that what you mean?
20:16:28peturthat I did, but the list code still returns 0, 1, 2, ....
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20:21:02peturhmmm of course... because the list code doesn know of the enums, it just knows of the item count
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20:23:20n1sany c200 users know if the radio is working well in rockbox, I seem to remember it had some issues.
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20:31:34bertrikn1s, works fine for me, but I've only had my c200 for just over a week
20:32:00n1sbertrik: thanks :)
20:32:24pixelmait's just that it sometimes disappears completely for me every now and then
20:32:35bertrikthere was a patch recently by someone who had experimented a bit with the frequency measurement timing
20:32:54pixelma(from the menu and then the debug info says that it wouldn't detect the hardware
20:32:56pixelma)
20:33:14n1spixelma: hmm, are there c200's without radio?
20:33:41pixelmaunfortunately it's unpredictable when that'll happen let alone reproducible
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20:34:12bertrikn1s, mine came with an OF without radio support but it did have a radio chip
20:34:47pixelman1s: some are sold "without radio" but so far it seems that all of those have it just disabled in software
20:35:34n1smaybe it's something we can hardcode then to work around the issue until a proper fix is found (or a candidate for a release hack)
20:36:43pixelmathe weird thing is that usually a simple reboot "fixes" it but I also had case where only using the radio in the OF helped
20:37:21pixelmagot to go now though, back later
20:37:49n1spixelma: to me it sounds like the communication between the cpu and tuner gets screwed up (like a timing issue) but my experience with that kind of lowlevel stuff is very limited...
20:37:52*amiconn is annoyed by the strange combos in the H10 vkeyboard
20:38:08amiconnIf those weren't present, I could reassign some things to make them more logical
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20:38:37pixelman1s: yeah, timing issues seem likely
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20:40:24bertrikI looked at the lv24020 radio code recently. It is based on a fairly detailed application note and looked very sensible to me.
20:41:08n1sbertrik maybe something in i2c then? or just flawed hardware :/
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20:42:47bertrikn1s, the protocol to talk to the tuner is 3-wire but not i2c
20:42:58n1sah
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20:49:40*n1s reads the manual
20:51:08n1smeh, the link to 64 bit linux sansapatcher in the manaul is broken
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21:00:59peturmake install?
21:01:32domonokykugel: can other apps play sound ? (the sim segfaults if it can not access the soudcard) :-)
21:02:00kugeldomonoky: totem does
21:03:05kugelrhythmbox also plays music
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21:44:02bluebrotherpetur: for some reason I'm always surprised why the selector is a gradient but the peak meter bars aren't.
21:44:25peturthe peakmeters are a simple rect...
21:44:51peturOnce the screen works I'll look into fancy peakmeters ;)
21:45:10peturthat is - if real life keeps being so kind to me as it is now :)
21:45:33*scorche hands petur a pacifier and a TV
21:45:44petur?
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22:04:34MTeeHello people, I want to try adding support for a new codec, say .rm , but I have no experience with writing en-/decoders, coudl anyone tell me where to start ?
22:07:52bluebrotherI _think_ there is a wiki page describing some basics.
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22:08:53MTeebluebrother : Do you mean this one http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToWriteCodecs ?
22:09:47*petur is getting pretty close to a working recording screen :)
22:10:07bluebrotherMTee: yep.
22:10:19bluebrother(didn't remember the page name ;-)
22:10:32MTee:)
22:11:35MTeebut for someone who's a beginner as I'm in codecs, this wouldn't be of real benefit, at least for now
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22:12:37MTeeI have looked around a lot for some good resources but couldn't find any
22:14:35bluebrotherwell, I have no knowledge about codecs too ;-)
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22:16:18MTeehmm, ok, btw is there a bmp viewer plugin ?
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22:18:18bluebrotherno −− I think there is a patch in the tracker.
22:18:53solexxHi, I am planning to replace my Iriver H120's hdd with a CF card
22:19:35solexxDo i still need a patched version of ata.c? The patch from the wiki doesn't apply anymore and it looks like CF support may already me in trunk
22:20:35*petur starts building for his h300
22:24:19peturreal life interrupts now, but I expect to have a patch up tomorrow - works on target but with some minot cosmetic issues :)
22:24:27petur*minor
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22:25:54linuxstbMTee: Are you serious about wanting to write an rm codec?
22:27:08bertrikDisabling the display and putting the LCD in standby when the backlight is off turns out to save about 4.5% on c200
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22:27:31MTeelinuxstb: yep, but afaik I'll have to learn a lot of stuff, and I'm willing to dedicate time for that all through august. Is this enough time?
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22:29:56saratogareal audio is cook or something else?
22:30:01linuxstbMTee: It doesn't matter if you finish or not - you can just share whatever you've done when you run out of time, and hopefully someone else will continue - any contribution to Rockbox (even incomplete) is welcome. Do you have much C programming experience?
22:30:44MTeelinuxstb : I have good C programming experience yes.
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22:31:45linuxstbMTee: Then a month sounds a feasible amount of time.
22:32:38MTeegreat ! where could I start then ?
22:32:46linuxstbDo you know ffmpeg?
22:32:58MTeeyes
22:33:04linuxstbThat's where you start...
22:33:39MTeereading the source you mean ?
22:33:43linuxstbI would start by creating a standalone C program to convert rm to WAV (I'm assuming you're talking about the Cook codec - the main RealAudio codec for low-bitrate files).
22:34:24linuxstbWhich means extracting only the Realaudio code from ffmpeg.
22:34:44MTeeI see
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22:34:50linuxstbOnce that's working, you'll need to change to codec to use fixed-point arithmetic instead of floating-point.
22:35:43linuxstbAlthough I think some work has already been done on that by the ffmpeg people, but I'm not sure if those changes have been published anywhere....
22:36:25linuxstbOnce that's done, I would then start to incorporate it into Rockbox...
22:36:30linuxstbAnd then you have a codec ;)
22:37:17MTee:)
22:38:31MTeewill start as soon as I can, and I know I would learn lots of nice stuff along the way. Thanks for your help
22:38:38linuxstbI'll be happy to help with this - I would like to see an realaudio codec in Rockbox. In fact, I've already done some work on writing a RealAudio parser which you may want to continue.
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22:42:20MTeewell, I think I'd better start with ffmpeg till I have a good base to build upon.
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22:42:57solexxForget my question about patching ata.c for CF card support. The wiki page CFModGuide mentions it's been in SVN since 2008-03-09.
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22:44:41n1ssolexx: you might need an unofficial bootloader though
22:44:48saratogagoogle says cook is an MDCT codec, so you can likely borrow bits and pieces from either WMA or Ogg
22:45:13saratogaparticularly WMA since its also an ffmpeg codec, and likely uses some of the functions cook does
22:45:35solexxn1s: according to the wiki I need V7-pre4 which I have already installed. Is this still true?
22:46:09MTeesaratoga : thanks
22:46:22n1ssolexx: the wiki has far better memory than me so i guess so :)
22:47:03n1ssolexx: as long as the hd still works you can just put it back in to change the bootloader later if it turns out it's needed
22:47:16solexxn1s: thanks for the warning anyway. I don't want to spend all the money for a CF card and then find out it doesn't work :-/
22:48:19solexxI consider buying one of these
22:48:20solexxhttp://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360069337124
22:49:28solexxCF-IDE adapters. It looks ok, only a little bit large. But since it's not larger than the current disk, it should fit.
22:49:32saratogaMTee: looking at ffmpeg, it is based on the same IMDCT as our WMA codec used until last week, so you will want to look at the SVN logs and grab fft.c and mdct.c
22:49:33n1ssolexx: that's wrong for a h120
22:49:46n1sthe h120 is not zif
22:49:50saratogaalso it appears to use the get_vlc functions as well, so you'll want the modified bitstream.c in the WMA codec
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22:50:37linuxstbsaratoga: How are things going with the SoC stuff?
22:50:47saratogalinuxstb: not too well
22:50:49solexxn1s: the page says it's compatible with Toshiba 1.8" hdds and a zif adapter may be used for hitachi drive connectors
22:50:58saratogai haven't been able to figure out my current issues with the cegcc
22:51:18solexxbut the pictures could be better
22:51:24saratogaand I didn't fill out the midterm survey in time, so I've had to send an email to leslie asking her to not drop me from the program
22:51:53linuxstb:(
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22:52:17amiconnsolexx: 1.8" HDDs exist with several different connectors (5 in total iirc). The manufacturer has nothing to do with this
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22:52:34n1ssolexx: toshiba makes drives with different connectors, the one in h120 is definitely not zif, see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement#Iriver
22:52:45solexxn1s: after reading the description twice, I guess you are right :-/
22:52:52amiconnIf you want to replace on (with another hdd or cf-ide adapter doesn't matter) you need to find out which connector type you need
22:53:12amiconnFor the 1.8" hdd rockbox targets the wiki has all the required information
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23:00:05linuxstbWhat's the status of the other three SoC projects? The ARM emulator project has been abandoned?
23:01:05Bagderthe translation/speach for plugins is on track (by midgey)
23:01:12Bagderand yes, the ARM emulator is failed
23:01:45linuxstbAnd the wps editor? domonoky said the student has been awol the last week...
23:04:42linuxstbBagder: BTW, I'm wanting to commit the (relatively little at the moment) code I've written for the rockbox themes site to SVN - any suggestions for where to commit it? I'm guessing it should be outside the normal Rockbox tree, at the same level as "www" ?
23:05:16Bagderyes I think so, possibly even like "themesite/trunk"
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23:07:10linuxstbHow would I do that? I'm not sure about creating new modules in svn (if they're called modules...)
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23:09:00solexxlinuxstb: just mkdir and svn add. SVN doesn't have modules.
23:09:41Dhraakellianwould it be possible to triple-boot between the OF, an old rockbox build, and a current rockbox build?
23:10:10*Dhraakellian .·°{ hmm... rename the .rockbox dir manually? }
23:10:27linuxstbSo I would simply do "mkdir themesite" followed by "svn add themesite", and then the same for a "trunk" subdir, and then carry on?
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23:12:23Bagderlinuxstb: well, "svn mkdir themesite/trunk −−parents" even ;-)
23:12:34soapDhraakellian, one of the Rockbox builds would have to be modified, as everything (by default) gets looked for in the ./.rockbox directory. So even if you modified the bootloader to look in two directories you would as well have to modify Rockbox itself to run out of a non-standard directory.
23:13:10rasheramiconn: Got time to test FS #8207 on cygwin?
23:13:15Dhraakelliansoap: or just manually rename the .rockbox directory every time I want to switch?
23:13:31soapor you could do that.
23:14:00Dhraakellian...or I could just break down and see about learning the needed stuff to fix the plaintext wps theme for newer builds
23:14:14Dhraakellian!;)
23:14:54linuxstbBagder: "svn mkdir svn://svn.rockbox.org/themesite/trunk −−parents" ?
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23:15:21Bagderyes I think so
23:15:43linuxstbHow about www-themes ?
23:15:52Bagderbetter, yes
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23:16:39Bagdersvn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/www-themes/trunk I think
23:16:51amiconnTheming the www? ;)
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23:17:01rasheramiconn: FS #8207 gives a 25% speedup of buildzip.pl on Linux (4 -> 3 secs), but should be way better on cygwin
23:17:07*Bensawsome is away: i doing stuff not on the comp XD
23:17:21linuxstbamiconn: ;) Any better ideas?
23:17:49*Bensawsome is back (gone 00:00:07)
23:20:21scorcheBensawsome: please disable such scripts in here
23:20:56bluebrotherjust call it "themes"?
23:21:25scorchei always thought that was a bit misleading...i would expect themes to be in a "themes" directory
23:21:46linuxstbBut then it sounds like it actually contains the themes...
23:21:51bluebrotheror www/themes?
23:22:15*linuxstb thinks this will be a long night... ;)
23:22:21solexxHey, it's SVN. You can change your mind about the directory name any time! :)
23:23:07bluebrothertrue, but doing the thing right in the first place is nicer ;-)
23:23:58linuxstbthemes-site ?
23:25:28rasherOr themes.rockbox.org
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23:25:29soapis redbreva going to grant use of the rockboxthemes domain or is this going to be themes.rockbox.org? Regardless, my point is why not name the directory the same as the domain name?
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23:25:57linuxstbsoap: AFAIK, we're going to use themes.rockbox.org
23:25:59scorcheit will be both..at least according to last plan
23:26:18scorcher-t.org was going to simply redirect to t.r.o
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23:28:11soapI just most concerned that with the demise (even through becoming simply a redirection page) of r-t.o Redbreva loses interest, lests the registration slip, and it gets picked up by a spammy squatter.
23:28:15linuxstbI thought of calling it themes.rockbox.org, but that seems a bit long for a directory name... But if others are happy?
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23:31:51*bluebrother wouldn't mind such a folder name
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23:32:33bluebrothersoap: well, would that really matter that much? The domain name never implied that it's an official site (while t.r.o does)
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23:33:13soapno, but I'd be willing to buy him out and donate the name just to keep it from going to the link-farmers.
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23:33:55amiconnrasher: Testing now (first some targets using svn to have a base)
23:34:33amiconnI'll compare the .zip files as well
23:35:10rasherDiffing them will yield different results (at the very least because of the different SVN revision)
23:35:37rasherAnd of course there might be other bugs.
23:35:56rasherI'm quite interested to see how much of a difference it makes.
23:36:00scorchesoap: that was already in the back of my mind, but it isnt that important
23:36:01amiconnOf course I'll compare a file list, not the actual .zip
23:36:32rasherYeah, that's what I've been doing (or rather, diff -r on the unzipped .rockbox dir)
23:36:49rasherI tested by doing "time make zip"
23:37:28*amiconn is doing the same
23:37:58bluebrotherwhat do you guys think about "hiding" ipodpatcher / sansapatcher binaries to some degree? There seem to be tons of unofficial "tutorials" around still using them, and I have the impression we could save people trouble if we make those tuts break
23:37:58rasherIf the savings aren't great, I'm not sure it's worth the hassle of shaking out any bugs.
23:38:03amiconnI picked 4 of my targets which are somewhat representative (H300, G1/G2, RecV1, and Player)
23:38:24bluebrotherso they need to get updated and hopefully will use rbutil instead as default.
23:38:27amiconnTimes ranging from 45 s (Player) to 109 s (H300) for svn
23:39:52rasheramiconn: Just for buildzip?
23:39:58amiconnyes
23:40:01rasherWow
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23:40:41rasherI must admit I've only been testing with a single target (h120 sim) so far. Wanted to hear how much gain there was on cygwin before I did any more.
23:40:56amiconnIt's a biiig gain :)
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23:41:33rasheramiconn: Does this mean it crashed instantly, or it works very well?
23:41:41amiconnG1/G2: 62s -> 19s, H300: 109s -> 27s, RecV1: 54s -> 13s, Player: 45s -> 8s
23:42:11amiconnSo roughly a 4x speedup, even more for the player
23:42:16rasherWell that's certainly worthwile
23:42:36amiconnAre these ?-xism messages intended?
23:42:45*bluebrother wonders whats the main difference
23:43:05amiconnbluebrother: Doing most things in perl instead of spawning loads of processes
23:43:09rasheramiconn: Nope, I forgot to remove a printf
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23:43:51bluebrotherah, nice
23:43:52amiconnrasher: There's also an "adding <rockbox_core_name> (deflated X%)"
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23:44:35rasheramiconn: Ah, a forgot to add a >/dev/null somewhere
23:44:41linuxstbBagder: Could you move this image to the http://www.rockbox.org/silk_icons/ directory? http://linuxstb.cream.org/themes/palette.png
23:44:41amiconnrasher: Does this also work for 'make fullzip'?
23:45:38rasheramiconn: Haven't even tried that. I think it ought to work, but you never know
23:46:10amiconnThe created .zip is missing .rockbox/database.ignore
23:46:17rasherWeird
23:47:07Bagderlinuxstb: done!
23:47:35linuxstbBagder: Thanks
23:47:36rasheramiconn: But that should be easily fixable of course. Is that all?
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23:48:37amiconnThat seems to be the only difference (checked just G1/G2 for now)
23:49:40*amiconn tries fullzips
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23:57:11amiconnG1/G2 fullzip: 119s -> 64s
23:57:59amiconnProbably not as much speedup as for the plain zip because it needs to run convbdf for every font
23:58:14amiconnStill quite a gain
23:58:20rasherAh yes. Not much to do about that
23:58:57n1sbluebrother: the 64 bit sansapatcher seems to have gone into hiding by itself ;) so the link in the manual is broken. Did we decide on if the manual install instructions will stay? also the 32 bit version worked fine for me on 64 bit.

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