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#rockbox log for 2008-07-21

00:00:17amiconnAnd the only difference is again database.ignore
00:00:52linuxstbbluebrother: That sounds fair enough to me. The advantage would be that the install chapter would then be more or less identical for all targets...
00:01:40amiconnrasher: Hmm, and it didn't clean up the 'codepages' output in the build dir
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00:02:32rasherAh right, forgot about that.
00:03:39bluebrotherand I'd really like to see all those outdated tutorials based on the patchers getting broken. Maybe move the patchers out of the bootloader/ folder on the webserver?
00:04:10pixelmabefore the manual installation gets just moved it needs to be reviewed for general information that you should know while attempting an automatic install. IMO there is some.
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00:04:41bluebrothertrue.
00:04:46pixelmaI mean the chapters of course
00:05:16bluebrotheroptimally those information would be present in rbutil, but this will take some time ...
00:05:29linuxstbbluebrother: I partly agree, but for example ipodpatcher is used by IPL, so that would also break (probably correct) IPL install instructions.
00:06:55bluebrotheris IPLs website up again anyway?
00:07:53bluebrotherwell, another (but IMO more annoying) way would be to redirect download attempts to a website pointing out rbutil and the differences, and only if you click a button you get to download the file
00:08:40bluebrotherof course we could simply move the files so IPL has a chance to update their links, and redirect the old links to some explanation html page
00:09:07amiconnrasher: I see that you replaced the 'touch' that added database.ignore by an open(). Maybe you need to close() it explicitly before zipping?
00:09:18amiconnCould be tha the file is locked while it's open
00:09:51*amiconn should just try that
00:09:53rasheramiconn: Nope - the default mode is to open with mode 'r', which doesn't create the file if it doesn't exist
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00:10:05amiconnah
00:10:24rasherNew (final?) patch submitted
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00:13:46amiconn"cannot remove directory for .rockbox: Directory not empty at /home/Jens/rockbox/tools/buildzip.pl line 464"
00:14:07amiconnThis is because of the still opened file
00:14:17amiconnClosing it fixes the problem
00:14:33rasherAh, that was a silly mistake.
00:15:52amiconnThe created .zip now matches svn
00:16:19rasherBeautiful.
00:16:36rasherNow it's just a matter of whether or not I dare commit it.
00:16:52rasher(with a close(IGNORE) added, of course)
00:17:00*amiconn would appreciate it
00:18:03linuxstbbluebrother: No, IPL's website isn't back yet, but I believe it's being worked on (i.e. not abandoned)
00:19:07*amiconn wonders whether the >/dev/null in the if($verbose) print .... is on purpose
00:20:09amiconnUmm, of course it is...
00:20:49*rasher made the same mistake
00:21:41rasherCommitted.
00:22:18Nico_Prasher: you make it use perl functions instead of system ones for file operations?
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00:22:59Nico_Phmm I should've read the FS task summary before asking
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00:23:25rasherI should have linked the task in my commit message, of course.
00:23:46rasherBut yes, that's exactly what I do
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00:24:04Nico_Pnice
00:24:55Nico_Pis the sim's "make install" still "make zip + unzip"?
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00:25:50rasherI think the cygwin-using people owe me a beer now
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00:26:14rasherNico_P: Yeah, I think so. It seems a bit silly
00:26:21Nico_Pindeed
00:26:43amiconnrasher: Would it perhaps pay off to add a glob_move() as well? (for the .cp files)
00:27:36rasheramiconn: I doubt it matters much, speed-wise. But it'd probably look nicer
00:27:58Nico_Prasher: there's the overhead of compression
00:30:15rasherNico_P: not in what amiconn is talking about. But yes, separating the zipping part would be a welcome change I guess
00:30:25Nico_Pah, sorry
00:30:29amiconnAlso, is there a difference in using system() vs. using backticks for calling programs, performance wise?
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00:31:06rasheramiconn: I think they're the same. I just changed to system() because it's more obvious than backticks imho
00:31:30amiconnI'm asking because the ziptool call uses system, and convbdf uses backticks
00:32:13rasherI'd be surprised if there was any difference.
00:34:44amiconnAlso, there is still a 'find' call which checks for any codecs present
00:34:54amiconn(line 287ff)
00:35:58rasherYeah. Didn't quite fit in with the other find calls I changed, and it's only a single command, so it shouldn't be a big slowdown
00:36:13*amiconn thinks it's strange to first create the destination dir, then copy (maybe zero) files, and then check whethere there are files in the diestination dir
00:36:35rasherActually, just running rmdir regardless should work (and ignore any errors)
00:36:51amiconnImho it would make sense to check the source first, and only create the destination dir if there is something to copy
00:37:14amiconnI know that this was there before your commit...
00:38:16rasherI think it makes more sense to not do any checking, and just attempt to remove the dir (which will fail if it's not empty)
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00:44:53rasherThere's no real reason to do the check
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00:55:19amiconnrasher: Btw, convbdf can batch-convert input files matching a pattern, but then it outputs to the current directory
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00:56:10rasherThat sounds promising
00:56:31amiconnSo if the perl script could temporarily change to $ROOT/fonts/ , it would be possible to replace lines 210..228 with a single call
00:57:19amiconnIt's just $ROOT/tools/convbdf -f -\"$ROOT/fonts/*.bdf\" >/dev/null 2>&1
00:58:05amiconnThis would speed up 'make fullzip'
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01:00:15amiconnErr, of course it'd need to change into .rockbox/fonts/ temporarily
01:01:17rasherYeah, and add a few ../ to the path
01:01:21rasherTrying it out
01:06:33amiconnHmm, $ROOT isn't absolute...
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01:08:29rasherActually it is, it seems. It's defined a few times
01:08:55rasherOr else Perl applies some sort of magic
01:11:17rasheramiconn: Got it working now. Let's see. I'll just commit it this time
01:12:08rasher(Famous last words)
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01:15:18amiconnThe if ($verbose) got lost again...
01:15:43amiconnBut it shaves another 20s from 'make fullzip'
01:19:16rasherJust a tiny difference on native Linux. Less than a second for me.
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01:39:53amiconnrasher: Umm, there is a bug now: The .rock files in the .zip no longer have the x bit set, meaning that sims can no longer execute plugins...
01:41:53rasherOh dear
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01:49:09rasheramiconn: should codecs be executable as well?
01:50:01amiconnYEs
01:50:30amiconnI'm not sure whether this is true for linux, but windows wants its shared objects (aka dlls) being executable
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01:52:12*amiconn wonders why copy() doesn't keep permissions
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01:52:54rasherYou're creating a new file. There's no reason why it should inherit permissions. Especially if you didn't own the original
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01:54:15rasheramiconn: should be fixed now
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02:01:27amiconnrasher: Thanks, it works now
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02:23:50Dhraakellianwhat's the best way to uninstall manually installed themes?
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03:01:26soapdelete the folder
03:02:48Dhraakelliandelete everything bearing the themes name in .rockbox/themes, .rockbox/wps and .rockbox/backdrops?
03:02:55*Dhraakellian adds an apostrophe
03:05:02soapaye, folders and files.
03:07:00DhraakellianI'm just glad Plain Text was easy to fix
03:07:36Dhraakelliansimple, not very flashy, but informative and easy to read
03:09:16Dhraakelliannow I just need to figure out how to get moodbars rendered as 176- (or would it be 174-)pixel-wide images so I can use them as per-track album art right above the progress bar
03:10:10soapis this going to be a bastardization of album art? (I say that in only the kindest way)
03:10:28soapOr do you have some other method for per-track conditionals?
03:10:38Dhraakellianhmm
03:11:09DhraakellianI thought it already worked if there was a bmp with a name based on the current track's info
03:11:14DhraakellianI might be mistaken though
03:11:41soapCurrent track's name, album name, or such.
03:12:13soaphttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt#Picture_Format
03:12:53Dhraakellian./ filename .bmp - same filename as currently playing music file
03:13:05Dhraakellianthat'd be what I was remembering, I think
03:13:06soapthere is no reason you couldn't create a "moodbar" image for specific albums / tracks, make it 176 pixels wide and 10 pixels high (for example) and use that.
03:13:16Dhraakellianhmm
03:13:33Dhraakellianor 1 pixel high and stack it?
03:13:53soapIIUC only one image can be called in this manner.
03:13:57Dhraakellianokay
03:14:35soapas there is no provision to call the last song's "album art" or the next song's "album art" :()
03:15:11Dhraakellianwell, given that the progressbar itself is only about four pixels high, including the border, I don't think I'd want the moodbar to be too tall
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03:16:10DhraakellianI think the main problem would be getting the .mood files rendered as 176x4 bitmaps
03:17:33Dhraakellianhmm... easiest way would probably be to yank the code from amarok and then see how to save a qpixmap as a .bmp
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03:20:16soapif you script that all up I am sure others would be interested in such a theme.
03:22:51Dhraakellianyarr
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04:09:02ThomasG33KSo anyone up to a challenge?
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04:13:35ThomasG33KI have a 1st gen nano, using a mac. iPodpatcher does not detect my device even after I have it in FAT32 format
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04:16:58webguest24ThomasG33K: please double check if it is really a 1st gen: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 . Have you tried RbUtil?
04:17:38ThomasG33Kyes, I am sure. Rbutil says it cant access the ipod
04:18:03ThomasG33KI did it manual but ipodpatcher cant find it either. Its mounted and all and formatted fat32
04:18:16webguest24do you run RbUtil or ipodpatcher with administrative rights?
04:19:21ThomasG33KI have admin privs yes
04:19:32ThomasG33KI didnt use sudo with catcher tho
04:20:58webguest24does the apple os on your ipod run fine?
04:22:14ThomasG33Kyes
04:22:42ThomasG33Kfyi I used manual way of formatting the ipod to fat32 on a mac
04:23:16webguest24then i'm out of ideas, sorry.
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04:26:07ThomasG33Kthx for trying anyways :(
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04:28:22flybackany further status on the sansa m200 v1 port
04:28:36flybackI just bought my dad a new m250 to replace his m230 I broke the lcd on
04:28:45flybackso a rockbox port on this thing would let me work around the dead lcd
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04:30:29webguest24have you checked the thread in the new ports section of the forums?
04:32:01flybackyes
04:32:13flybackbut sometimes live gets updated a bit faster than forum :P
04:32:24flybacklooks like they need to write a nand driver next
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04:51:15LloreanThomasG33K_away: You should try it with sudo.
04:51:51jrincon87hey, I just installed Rockbox on an Ipod mini but after that, I don't have access to it. I mean I can't even see my ipod mounted as a hard disk
04:52:04Lloreanflyback: Please don't just show up to ask for status reports. People will update the thread when there's something to update, but if everyone interested in a port came in for status reports it'd get really noisy in here.
04:52:13jrincon87I don't have access from my computer
04:52:21flybackthat's fine
04:52:23Lloreanjrincon87: Have you tried manually rebooting into disk mode?
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04:52:42jrincon87how do I do that?
04:53:54LloreanWell, actually, first try this.
04:53:58LloreanTurn off your iPod
04:54:00LloreanTurn the hold switch on.
04:54:10LloreanWhile the switch is on, plug in USB and wait for it to boot up and see if it connects.
04:54:35jrincon87ok, hold on
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04:56:57jrincon87Llorean: I've done that but I doesn't happen anything...
04:57:22LloreanWhat do you mean?
04:57:29LloreanSurely it at least starts to boot?
04:57:36jrincon87I installed Rockbox from a machine with Windows and Windows didn't mounted it after that... now I'm trying to do that in Ubuntu
04:57:42jrincon87yes, it boots
04:57:50LloreanAnd you left the hold switch on?
04:57:54jrincon87now I'm seeing the apple logo
04:57:55jrincon87yes
04:58:05LloreanAfter you see the apple logo, it should boot into the apple software.
04:58:13jrincon87it doesn't
04:58:20LloreanThen you didn't install properly.
04:58:28LloreanWas the Apple software working immediately before you ran ipodpatcher?
04:58:40jrincon87yes
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04:59:17LloreanBut you can no longer dual boot?
04:59:30LloreanIt just stays on the Apple logo?
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05:00:19jrincon87yes... you mean dual boot between Rockbox and Apple?
05:00:33Lloreanyes
05:00:57jrincon87with the instructions I followed when I installed Rockbox, I wasn't able to dual boot
05:01:08jrincon87it just boots onto the Rockbox software
05:01:39LloreanWhat instructions did you follow?
05:03:34jrincon87I downloaded Rockbox for mi ipod mini 2G from the rockbox webpage, moved the folder called .rockbox into the main directory of the ipod, downloaded and ran ipodpatcher.exe with the option to install, and that's it
05:04:18LloreanDid you use the ipodpatcher from download.rockbox.org?
05:04:23LloreanAnd why didn't you use the RButil method?
05:04:24jrincon87yes
05:05:38LloreanWhat version numbers does your ipodpatcher report? It should tell you when you run it "version X with version Y bootloaders"
05:06:18jrincon87I don't know... when I was deciding to install Rockbox I read a Blog and he has the instructions after giving a good experience with it, so I followed his instructions
05:06:41jrincon87hm, hold on
05:07:35LloreanWe really recommend you follow our install instructions. Ipodpatcher is an outdated tool, and while it *should* work I'm not wholly certain it's the most up to date.
05:07:59jrincon87I used the last version for Windows...
05:08:16Llorean"Outdated" means "It hasn't been updated in a while"...
05:08:38LloreanIt should still work to dual boot.
05:08:55LloreanBut that's a "should" and not a "will certainly"
05:09:36LloreanDisk mode can be reached by holding Menu+Select to reboot, and as soon as the screen is blank, holding Select+Play
05:10:13jrincon87sure... what do you think I should do? is there a way to reinstall it, to format the ipod, or should I throw it to the trash?
05:10:20jrincon87ok, I'm gonna try that now
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05:11:46jrincon87weeeee!!!!!! the last thing worked!
05:11:50jrincon87I has access now
05:11:54jrincon87I have*
05:12:29jrincon87now, what do you think I should do to get it to work properly when connected
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05:14:03lymecaAnyone know where I can get an MBR image to dd onto my 4th gen 30GB ipod?
05:14:57Lloreanjrincon87: Well Rockbox doesn't have its own USB mode. It's supposed to automatically reboot into this disk mode, but that behaviour's a little buggy right now. You'll basically either just have to put up with manually doing it, or get dual boot working so that you can plug in a USB cable while it's shut off with hold on to easily get into USB.
05:15:22LloreanPlease, do not pester me with PMs. If I don't respond to you in-channel it's because I'm busy, and a PM is not going to make me less busy.
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05:15:35jrincon87ok, sorry
05:15:58jrincon87I'm gonna do some research to get the dual boot working
05:16:01jrincon87thanks for everything
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06:01:26ryranhey everyone. just updated my svn trunk and compiled fine but now when I try to make zip (or gzip/bzip2/7zip) I get a an error (command not found OR rockbox.tar: Cannot stat: No such file or directory). saw rasher made a bunch of changes to buildzip and I could maybe figure this out, but I was hoping to get a quick fix from someone more guru-esque than I. any takers?
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06:16:39ryranfigured it out pretty quick by the way. perhaps obvious, but for the record: unrelated to rasher's changes. my bad for setting up build env on a new server and assuming zip / 7zip etc should've been there.
06:17:06LloreanThat happens a lot.
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11:02:07ddaltonwe still all against talking plugins?
11:04:05ddaltonhello?
11:04:05linuxstbI've never heard anyone say they're against talking plugins. We have a Google Summer of Code project to make them happen.
11:05:09ddaltonlinuxstb: thought the voice files were an issue, to large for those archoes, which BTW, I think we should drop, but thats just my opinion. doesn't rbspeexenc help that anyway?
11:05:31ddaltonI have plugins talking here...
11:05:46ddaltonbut, only a few, because haven't hacked much code until lately
11:06:01linuxstbPeople were probably against your method of implementing them - I'm guessing you've added plugin voice strings to the core voice file?
11:08:00ddaltonlinuxstb: I didn't ipliment it, I don't have those skills :-), but yeah. it just adds prto type functions in plugin.h and plugin.c for the talk stuff, and uses english.lang. I guess the second voice file could be added, that patdch isn't a waste, but I wouldn't think it would be to big for most targets?
11:08:12ddaltonlinuxstb: can you see?
11:08:25linuxstbYes
11:08:42Llorean"Not too big" doesn't mean it isn't wasteful if it can be done another way better.
11:09:08ddaltonlinuxstb: would by any chance you be able to test a patch for me? the coding isn't great, indenting is wrong and some other messing crap, but could you make sure it speaks the right time in the stopwatch to what is the screen?
11:09:28ddaltonI'm blind, so can't tell if the voice speaks what is on the screen, and I don't trust my own code :-)
11:09:53ddaltonLlorean: whats our current limit?
11:10:45*ddalton voice file is 643 K with 3 or 4 extra strings...
11:10:51Lloreanddalton: It's not an issue of "limits"
11:10:59LloreanIt's an issue of "it should be as small as possible"
11:11:19LloreanIf we can swap it out for plugin voices, we should, rather than saying "sure, we can waste a few bytes here or there"
11:11:32ddaltonerm, well, i believe we can go past 3 mb on most targets, plenty of room I believe, we could just impliment this method, and when someone gets around to fixing the voice file how you devs want, you could change it.
11:11:55amiconnddalton: We can doesn't mean we should. And there are targets where we can't
11:12:08amiconnThere is no sane reason to waste memory when we don't have to
11:12:16Lloreanddalton: Why is there such a hurry to do it the wrong way? All that means is *more* work for whoever tries to fix it later.
11:12:28LloreanSince they have to clean up and remove the old code too.
11:12:42LloreanWhy not just do it right the first time if you're going to put time into it?
11:13:12ddaltonLlorean: Basically, because I don't have the skills
11:13:35ddaltonas I said, this same code will still be usedd, just extra code will be added most likely
11:13:37amiconnThat's not a valid reason
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11:14:12ddaltonwhat, i don't have the skills? well, if someone would help, sure i would do it, but I dunno....
11:14:29ddaltonif I upload the first part of this patch, will it be worth it, or should I just wait?
11:14:47linuxstbddalton: I've already said - someone (midgey) is working on this at the moment, as part of the Google summer of code.
11:15:01amiconnThere is a gsoc prject dealing with this
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11:15:32ddaltonlinuxstb: can I see progress somewhere? and, ill upload my current version if you like,
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11:15:45linuxstbddalton: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9067
11:15:52ddaltonhey, can anyone who can see test a patch for me when i get back from eating in about 10 mins
11:16:11*ddalton looks
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11:25:03ddaltonok back, let me check it out
11:25:23pixelmaddalton: "nice" that someone who doesn't have an Archos says "we should drop them" (and giving no reason). Also speex doesn't help them because they can only play mp3 (and wav) which means the voice file needs to stay mp3 data...
11:26:42pixelmaI still like using the Ondio even though I have two software codec targets now
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11:31:19ddaltonok
11:31:23ddaltonso,
11:32:09ddaltonFS #9067 re this talk plugin stuff, is it using a new voice file or something? how does it work? I don't understand his code much.
11:32:41ddaltonpixelma: can you see? if so, do you have time to test a patch?
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11:34:12ddaltonhello? am I here?
11:36:27Nico_Pddalton: yes you are
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11:43:52ddaltoncan anyone here test a talking patch and just make sure it reads the info on the screen in stopwatch plugin?
11:47:39superjfksdjfa
11:47:42super: |
11:48:03superwierd that i cant change nick just because im muted on one channel
11:49:28Lloreansuper: This channel is for Rockbox discussion. Please try to keep to questions or development.
11:49:53superyes
11:49:55supersorry
11:49:56super: 9
11:50:14superany new luck on the 2g arm crypt?
11:51:44LloreanI have no idea what you're talking about, but all new port work should be tracked in the appropriate wiki pages and forum threads.
11:52:20markunsuper: I don't think anyone (at least from rockbox) is working on it
11:53:25markunsuper: better contact these guys: http://home.gna.org/linux4nano/
11:57:19ddaltondon't worry, it works, fine.
11:57:46*ddalton crosses his finger seconds will work when an hour ticks over, then he has a talking stop watch
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12:19:40ddaltonworks!!!
12:32:28*pondlife finds it slightly amusing that the http://home.gna.org/linux4nano/ guys intend to "synthesize" information... I guess I could help them with that ;)
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13:28:28alphasynapticso does anyone have any suggestions for getting a Heretic wad working either in the rockdoom plugin or in iDoom. I just cant seem to figure it out.
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13:30:36alphasynapticanyone had any luck getting a Heretic wad working in either iPodLinux or rockbox? anyone at all?
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13:31:03Nico_Palphasynaptic: I'm not sure that many people have tried
13:31:11alphasynaptico :-(
13:31:25alphasynaptici liked heretic much better than doom back in the day
13:31:38Nico_Pdoom isn't exactly the primary focus in development
13:31:46alphasynaptici'd imagine
13:32:52alphasynaptici had just read that people had gotten Heretic working but I can't seem to and was wondering if anyone who had was on :-)
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13:37:09osmodiarHey, I'm trying to use the Rockbox Utility, but I have no idea what a TTS engine is and I can't do anything until I specify one, can anyone help?
13:39:22alphasynapticwhen are you getting that error?
13:41:13osmodiarIt's the only thing in the configuration that isn't set correctly and every time I click ok on the configuration window it tells me something is wrong and reopens the window
13:42:31alphasynapticconfiguration window? all you have to do to install rockbox is extract the .rockbox folder into your mp3 player's root
13:42:46alphasynapticthere shouldn't be a config window
13:42:55alphasynapticand an installer is a waste of time
13:43:04alphasynaptictakes 10 seconds to install manually
13:43:15osmodiarI'll try that, then
13:44:28alphasynapticoh im sorry
13:44:36alphasynapticyou have to use the bootloader too
13:44:43alphasynapticill fetch a link h/o
13:45:02osmodiarThat's the part I didn't particularly want to do, heh
13:45:40alphasynapticdont worry it leaves appleos intact
13:45:48alphasynapticor whichever os for whichever mp3 player
13:45:54alphasynapticand you can always restore
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13:46:10alphasynapticby forcing disk mode and doing a restore in itunes
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13:46:40osmodiarYeah, I don't much care for restoring (I bought the ipod to install rockbox on it to try it out)
13:46:42amiconnalphasynaptic: " all you have to do to install rockbox is extract the .rockbox folder into your mp3 player's root" <== Not true, unless you happen to have one of the supported (old) archos devices
13:46:59amiconnAll others need an extra step when doing the first-time installation
13:48:01alphasynaptici already corrected muself
13:48:06*alphasynaptic rolls eyes.
13:48:23alphasynaptic*myself
13:49:17alphasynaptichttp://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/win32/ipodpatcher.exe if you are under win32
13:49:43Nico_Palphasynaptic: using the manual install is no longer the recommended way
13:49:59alphasynapticorly?
13:50:04alphasynaptici found it easy as hell
13:50:43Nico_Pwell rbutil is even easier... and osmodiar's question isn't even related to installing rockbox
13:50:46osmodiarThis isn't good... Booted into disk mode and it wants me to format :|
13:50:50alphasynapticand found multiple people saying the installer method is glitchy
13:51:06Nico_Phave you tried it?
13:51:27alphasynapticno but manual install took 10 seconds for me flat no hitches
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13:53:28Nico_PI'm not saying the manual install is hard, just that we recommend rbutil now, because it's more user-friendly
13:53:49Nico_Pif you know of glitches, you're welcome to report them ;)
13:53:53alphasynaptici guess
13:54:17alphasynaptic@osmodiar check the manual for your model
13:54:27osmodiarNico_P: ok, trying rbutil, but it complains that I've not configured it when I have
13:54:27alphasynapticfor the two methods of installation
13:55:02Nico_Palphasynaptic: have you tried the device autodetection?
13:55:10Nico_Perr that was for osmodiar, sorry
13:55:15alphasynapticheh
13:55:21alphasynapticwas about to say
13:55:36osmodiarthat all went through well, detected it
13:58:55Nico_Posmodiar: and you can't install?
13:58:55osmodiarnope
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13:59:08osmodiarnevermind, I fixed it, it seems
13:59:38osmodiar"No Ipods found"
13:59:40Nico_Pstill, it's weird. I'll try to mention it to the guys that work on rbutil
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14:01:15PaulJamosmodiar: which ipod do you have?
14:02:18osmodiar5th gen 30gb
14:03:31PaulJamdo you run RbUtility as administrator?
14:03:47osmodiarjust as the usual user
14:04:04osmodiarbut I think I've broken the Ipod anyway now...
14:04:32PaulJamfor the bootloader installation it need administrative rights, not sure if this is also true for the device detection.
14:04:52PaulJama working apple firmware is also neccessary
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14:05:52osmodiarinstalling itunes to restore the ipod to how it was
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14:07:24alphasynapticwhy'd the ipod linux page get suspended?
14:07:51PaulJamask in #ipodlinux
14:08:36alphasynaptico my bad
14:08:40alphasynaptichave both channels open
14:08:43alphasynapticheh
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14:13:19osmodiaripod restored, now if only I could get rockbox working, heh
14:17:16osmodiarok, tried rbutil again and it magically started to work
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14:18:45Nico_PBagder: here§
14:18:51osmodiaris it right that there are no themes to install via rbutil? I think I heard something about themes needed to be changed?
14:19:09Nico_Posmodiar: yeah they're out of date ATM
14:19:45kugelSlasheri: ping
14:20:18Nico_PBagder: I've just noticed that there are some svn repos I can check out from work using an http:// URL, but rockbox's fails
14:21:03kugelJdGordon: hey. Are you still interested in the pf updates (sorry for the inactivity, I was in spain the past 2 weeks)
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14:21:45kugelIt'd be nice of everyone who could test http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8335
14:23:20alphasynapticoh i fixed one of the old themes to work with the new viewer system. is there a way to submit the fixed .wps file?
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14:24:14kugelalphasynaptic: In the wps gallery for your player
14:24:30alphasynapticalright
14:24:50kugelalphasynaptic: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery
14:25:11LloreanMake sure the license allows redistribution
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14:25:48alphasynapticgood point
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14:28:16alphasynapticyeah i guess i can just have to credit him for the work. i only edited like 10 bytes of text lmao
14:28:55alphasynapticim kinda surprised more themes havent been fixed? when did they all get broken? fairly recently?
14:31:09LloreanIt's not an issue of credit.
14:31:21LloreanTechnically if they haven't released their theme under a suitable license, you can't make any changes to it.
14:31:32LloreanWhich is unfortunate, but the proper solution is to get them to license it properly.
14:31:53alphasynapticits CC3
14:31:58alphasynapticso it is an issue of credit
14:32:06kugelalphasynaptic: basically all themes got broken by a single commit some weeks ago. And since rockbox-themes.org is closed for submussion, updates themes can not reach the user as easily as before
14:32:10alphasynaptici have to attribute to work to the origincal author
14:32:21alphasynapticdamn typos
14:32:29alphasynaptic*original *the
14:32:51alphasynapticah
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14:50:25alphasynapticwell i can't get uploader at the cleansoap mirror to take my package
14:50:36alphasynapticanyone interested in the fixed Bloodstained theme?
14:51:10DerPapstput it on the wiki? (dunno if that's wanted though :-P)
14:51:24pondlifealphasynaptic: Which device?
14:51:34DerPapstipod video i guess
14:51:36alphasynaptic5th gen vid
14:51:42DerPapstah :D
14:52:22pondlifealphasynaptic: Pop it on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g ?
14:54:04alphasynapticchecking that out
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15:03:16alphasynapticmade an account already
15:03:22alphasynaptictried editing the wiki page
15:03:26alphasynapticnada
15:04:18alphasynapticbtw i'll fix a few themes to work with the new Rockbox for anyone who can help me get Heretic working on my iPod
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15:17:18sacaraschmmm, installed rockbox, worked well for a bit, now my ipod won't turn on
15:17:36alphasynapticu try a soft reset?
15:17:38linuxstbHold MENU+SELECT together for a few seconds (maybe up to 20-30)
15:17:49alphasynapticexactly
15:18:04sacarascthat got it, thanks
15:18:46sacarascby the way, this is osmodiar on a different computer (but still as clueless)
15:20:20LambdaCalculus37alphasynaptic: By the way, no internet slang on this channel, and no text-speak.
15:20:32alphasynapticoh my bad
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15:26:23sacarascNico_P, alphasynaptic, linuxstb, and anyone I forgot, thanks for helping me today :)
15:26:33sacarascand sorry for the smilie
15:27:02GodEater_smilies are allowed
15:27:15GodEater_just silly "text speak" abbreviations are what we object to
15:27:37alphasynapticbut do da street talk be acceptable yo?
15:27:44alphasynaptichad to sorry
15:27:50LambdaCalculus37Yes, so no "y0 g1mm3 d4 r0mZ" crap here. ;)
15:28:23alphasynapticroms for me?
15:28:54alphasynapticanyone looking for roms in an irc channel needs to learn to use google
15:30:17LambdaCalculus37Actually, anyone looking for ROMs shouldn't come here asking us.
15:30:46alphasynaptici know. as i pointed out google will be happy to point you in the right direction.
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15:31:47alphasynapticroms are not illegal if it is no longer viable to buy a console or the media. they are also legal if you own the actual media
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15:39:12GodEater_"roms are not illegal if it is no longer viable to buy a console or the media." <−− this is not true at all
15:39:25GodEater_they are only legal if you own the originals
15:39:32LambdaCalculus37Exactly.
15:39:43LambdaCalculus37You are allowed to make a backup of media that you own.
15:40:07PaulJamnot in every country
15:40:18LambdaCalculus37I own physical copies of each Game Boy game I have dumped to my DAPs.
15:40:30LambdaCalculus37I made the dumps myself.
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16:01:33JdGordonpetur: hey, wassup?
16:02:19peturwas going to ask if you already had an FS task for the recscreen, but went ahead and created 9208
16:02:27peturfor my work in progress...
16:02:38JdGordoni didnt, and cool
16:02:58peturit is quite functional but the code is still a bit of a mess
16:03:15peturand some features like trigger need testing
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16:03:55JdGordonI dont use the rec screen but ill have a look at the patch when I get a chance (unless it oes in before hand)
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16:05:49peturmight have an updated patch in a few hours ;)
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16:09:45alpha367fixing themes for people if anyone wants me to one for me
16:09:50alpha367*do one
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16:11:18sacaraschow does one add all the music on an ipod to the current playlist and then shuffle play it?
16:11:52GodEatersacarasc: have you read the friendly manual ?
16:12:09sacarasci'm reading it, but i get distracte oooh shiny
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16:14:35sacarascthe Database menu seems to be different than what is described in the manual
16:16:35LambdaCalculus37How so?
16:16:47LambdaCalculus37If there are errors in the manual, they'll be taken care of.
16:18:09sacarascwhen I go to the Database menu, I get things like "Album" "Artist", but in the manual http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-480004.2.3 it's totally different (or I'm looking in the wrong place, which is probably the case)
16:19:27alpha367album and artist are what it shows for me
16:19:44PaulJamthis is the actual database. the database menu which is described in the manual can be found in the settings (or in the context menu of the database entry of the main menu)
16:19:45LambdaCalculus37You're looking in the wrong place. What you're reading is the database context menu.
16:20:02sacarascah, thanks
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16:28:45PaulJambtw. the h300 online manual seems to have a wrong screenshot. the vkeyboard screenschot in chapter 4.1.3 has a 320x240 resolution.
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16:34:01PaulJamthe image in the sources (/manual/rockbox_interface/images/ss-virtual-keyboard-220x176x16.png) is also too big.
16:34:29GodEaterwhich is probably why the resolution is wrong in the manual
16:34:58PaulJamwell, it could have been a cache issue or something like that
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16:36:08GodEaternot for building the manual I don't think
16:36:16GodEaterthere is no cache issue when checking out over svn
16:36:36PaulJami mean on my side (browser cache)
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16:40:26alphasynapticfixing themes for anyone who wants it done send me a private message with the name of the theme
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18:12:01Casainhohello Rockbox people :-)
18:12:18CasainhoI would like to know if USB stack is working, and in what models?
18:13:57domonokyusb stack works, but still has some problems, so its not enabled by default..
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18:14:40Casainhousb_serial.c −− whats the purpose? what would this code do?
18:14:56domonokyi dont know on which targets it works, at least ipods, sansa perhaps gigabeat s ?
18:14:56CasainhoRS232 over USB?
18:15:05domonokyyes, serial over USB.
18:15:40Casainhoand "usb_storage.c", mass storage device?
18:16:13domonokyyes, i think thats the code for the ums (universal mass storage) mode
18:16:43linuxstbCasainho: Not all devices need a software USB stack though - many have a hardware USB<->ATA bridge chip, which Rockbox supports.
18:17:24DerPapstdomonoky: the usb stack works pretty good on the beast.
18:17:26Casainhonice :-) −− but I would like to know if that USB stack code needs drivers... let's say I would like if It works on a specific MCU...
18:17:48DerPapstdomonoky: and it's enabled there by default too :)
18:17:55CasainhoDerPapst: where is the drivers for USB to beast?
18:17:56linuxstbYes, the USB stack is specific to one particular USB chip (the iMX31, but the same USB is used in the PortalPlayer PP502x chips)
18:18:02domonokyCasainho: sure it needs a driver for the specific usb chip in the player..
18:18:36Casainhodomonoky: where can I find that driver on source code? - I am looking but I can't find...
18:18:44DerPapstCasainho: it's more or less the same for iPods and the supported sansas
18:19:35linuxstbCasainho: firmware/target/arm/usb-drv-arc.c
18:20:12Casainhookok - thanks - I will look at it, I am curious since last time I didn't seen USB stack :-)
18:20:34bertrikCan all HD based player still spin up the disk (to save some data) when rockbox shuts down due to low voltage?
18:22:21kugelbertrik: I can't compile a sim when I apply the simplify battery bench patch
18:22:59bertrikkugel: I think the problem is ata_disk_is_active, right?
18:23:10domonokybertrik: i think there could be situations, where it cant spinup the disk before shutdown (very low battery) ..
18:23:39kugelbertrik: No, "unregistred_ata_idle_func" isn't declared (IIRC)
18:23:49bertrikdomonoky, but isn't the playlist control list also saved on shutdown?
18:24:24kugelbertrik: there's a #define of this function for the sim, but it doesn't work somehow
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18:24:39bertrikhmm, make gzip stopped working for me on ubuntu 8.04
18:24:54domonokybertrik: yes, but it doesnt really hurt if it cant save it..
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18:27:00bertrikdomonoky, I'm working on a simplified battery bench and someone suggested to have a special case in case battery < 10% but I don't like special cases like that and rather rely on choosing the shutdown voltage such that it is still possible to save the bench data if the battery gets low
18:27:41bertrikI don't like to add a lot of special cases, the old battery bench was a spiderweb of special cases and exceptions and I'd like to make a clean break with that
18:28:21bertrikkugel, I'll update the patch to make it work in a sim build
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18:30:41Nico_PBagder: (for the logs) when trying to checkout rockbox's svn through HTTP, I get "svn: Server sent unexpected return value (405 Method Not Allowed) in response to PROPFIND request for '/rockbox/trunk' "
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18:30:53domonokythe problem with the shutdown voltage is that it is not exact, it depends on the battery, the age of the battery and on the current power consumtion.. and if you set the shutdown threshold too high, you loose too much runtime.
18:31:02kugelbertrik: thanks
18:31:04Nico_PI have managed to checkout some other svn repos that way
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18:59:57amiconnbertrik: Seems like rasher's builzip.pl speed improvements broke 'make gzip' and 'make bzip2'
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19:00:16amiconn'make 7zip' (and of course 'make zip' and 'make fullzip') work
19:00:39rasherOh dear. Didn't consider those.
19:00:43bertrikamiconn, ok, I'll use those in the meantime
19:00:51*amiconn should switch to 'make 7zip'
19:00:57rasherI'll have a look later tonight
19:01:16amiconnSaves quite a lot on archive size, and I do use (gui) 7zip for unzipping anyway
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19:01:49amiconnrasher: Hint: Both calls work *somewhat*
19:01:50rasherDitching (pk)zip would make utf8 language-names possible
19:02:02rasheramiconn: I assume it's a matter of removing -r?
19:02:32amiconnThey do create a rockbox.tar.gz resp. rockbox.tar.bz2, which however contain the rockbox binary *only*
19:02:38rasherEh, there's no -r.. erm.
19:02:39*bertrik suddenly spot a file called '-r'
19:02:41amiconnThere is also a file named '-r'
19:02:46amiconn..created
19:03:01rasherOh right, there is. I don't think that's even needed for zip or 7zip
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19:06:39bertrikamiconn, wow, my .zip is 2.0 MB, the .7z is 1.3 MB, saves quite a lot indeed (but takes a little longer)
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20:28:36kugelbertrik: How's ata_disk_is_active supposed to be replaced? Let's say I have a plugin which uses this?
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20:29:55bertrikkugel, a plugin registers a callback to be notified when the disk is spinning but idle instead of polling for it
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20:34:39kugelbertrik: You patch doesn't fix the battery bench problems on e200, does it (maybe as a side-effect)?
20:35:08bertrikkugel, what problems?
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20:35:22kugelbertrik: The problems reported in the related tast
20:35:24kugeltask*
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20:36:23kugelbertrik: Well, it didn't even start measuring when I tried it yesterday
20:36:32bertrikI tested it with a c200 and e200 and it worked fine for me
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20:37:14kugelbertrik: Ok, cool
20:37:23bertrikI'll try the very latest version on my e200 again
20:37:51kugelbertrik: Will do. The comment of pixelma in the related task describes the problem
20:38:51kugelbertrik: I didn't try a full bench with your patch yet. The problem is with the svn version
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22:23:35fmlNico_P: ping
22:23:49Nico_Pfml: pong
22:24:26Nico_Pfml: last time I looked at your patch I was pondering whether it was a good idea or not ;)
22:24:54fmlNico_P: I'm re-reading the code in wps_parser.c and have a question. Is the failure code 'PARSE_FAIL_COND_INVALID_PARAM' thought only for conditionals? Or does 'cond' mean 'failure condition'?
22:25:13Nico_Pit means conditional
22:25:58fmlNico_P: but it was used (at least once) not in conditional. And I used it all the way to signal an invalid parameter value.
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22:26:20Nico_Phmm that's not what it was meant for, but I guess it was extended
22:27:39fmlNico_P: and I've gone further that way (in the patch) :-) I used it instead of WPS_ERROR (why wasn't it included in the enum?)
22:29:29Nico_Pyou mean WPS_ERROR_INVALID_PARAM?
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22:30:46fmlNico_P: yes
22:31:31Nico_Pwell, currently wps_parse and the special parse functions don't return the same thing
22:31:50Nico_Pthat's why I'm still not convinced your patch is the way to go
22:32:36fmlNico_P: I unified that (I hope)
22:37:34fmlNico_P: btw when I implemented the other patch I was pleasantly surprised by how smart the conditional handling is! I.e. how it works depending on the numeric value returned.
22:39:17Nico_Phehe, thanks :)
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22:40:43fmlNico_P: the comment for 'evaluate_conditional' (in gwps-common.c) isn't quite correct
22:41:32Nico_Pbecause it returns a bool and not an int?
22:42:17fmlIIUC the func sets the value pointed to by the param to what is described in the comment. But it returns a bool.
22:44:16Nico_Pyes, it was changed in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/gui/gwps-common.c?view=diff&r1=15656&r2=15657 ... I forgot to update the comment
22:44:41Nico_Pthe param can still be considered a return value though :p
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22:48:16Nico_Pfml: by "the other patch", did you mean wps_parser2.patch or another one?
22:48:59fmlNico_P: no, I mean the patch for the skip length, don't remember the FS number
22:49:18Nico_Pah, to add a WPS tag?
22:50:12fmlyes. That also corrects reading at 0x0 and evaluates tags as 0-based (as it should be), not 1-based
22:51:38Nico_PFS #8965, right?
22:52:22Nico_Pintval is 1-based on purpose
22:53:19Nico_PI can't exactly remember a compelling reason for that, but I remember it was a conscious decision
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22:54:28fmlNico_P: the numeric value is still 1-based. But the string produced was also 1-based whie it should be 0-based (according to e.g. CustomWPS)
22:54:36Nico_Pah, right
22:54:54Nico_Pclearly I didn't look at the patch long enough :)
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23:01:14fmlNico_P: I can't see a reason to have it 1-based. But if it's the convention now it's also OK.
23:02:35Nico_Pit's more adapted to how the conds are done in the token array... 0 is for other cases
23:05:14fmlNico_P: the main thing is that we have a 'specification' and all tags stick to it.
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23:09:42webguest24Is anyone here I need some support =3
23:09:55webguest24Is anyone here I need some support =3
23:10:11linuxstbJust ask...
23:10:28webguest24The ipod patcher thing while installing Rockbox is stuck at the second step
23:10:35webguest24Is it supposed to take like 10 minutes because that's how long it's been stuck there
23:10:37webguest24x_x
23:10:50webguest24It says moving images to create new room for firmware
23:10:55webguest24And it's been there for quite a while
23:11:03webguest24I'm trying to install Rockbox on my 80GB iPod
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23:13:35*bluebrother wonders why there is still so much people using ipodpatcher instead of rbutil :/
23:13:54*linuxstb tries not to be offended ;)
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23:17:56*petur wonders how to accept rec trigger settings in the sim
23:19:03*petur finds nr 5
23:23:57*petur thinks the rec trigger gui code is awfull and tries to understand what it wants to do
23:28:32fmlpetur: it wants to be simplified I guess
23:29:00peturit needs a rtewrite for my viewport changes anyway
23:29:07petur*rewrite
23:30:01peturtrying to figure out what trig_width[] is for
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23:33:40peturthat code could have used some comment :/
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23:37:52fmlpetur: just looked at the code briefly. Not the easiest code to understand!
23:38:15peturthat UGLY! comment above it is mine iirc ;)
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23:39:26fmlHe-he. Triple yield!
23:39:29*petur builds an svn version to test on target
23:41:17peturremind me to kick LinusN when he's around, that bootloader I have now hangs at usb connect :/
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23:43:54*kugel could hopefully optimize custom list vp patch a bit
23:44:31Nico_PBagder: here?
23:44:51*bluebrother likes the new look of his wiki page :)
23:45:01BagderNico_P: yes
23:45:16Nico_PBagder: seen my messages from earlier about svn over HTTP?
23:45:25Bagderno...
23:46:26Nico_Pwhen trying to checkout rockbox's svn through HTTP, I get "svn: Server sent unexpected return value (405 Method Not Allowed) in response to PROPFIND request for '/rockbox/trunk' "
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23:46:51Nico_PI have managed to checkout some other svn repos with HTTP, so it's not (only) work's proxy
23:47:19amiconnDoes SVN hook into apache, or does it have it sown http server?
23:47:24BagderI don't think we have the necessary setup done for svn over http
23:47:35Bagderamiconn: it's a module for apache
23:47:36amiconns/it sown/its own/
23:47:43Nico_Pamiconn: it can hook into apache, but there's svnserve as an alternative
23:48:01Bagdersvnserve is for the svn:// protocol
23:48:19Nico_Pcan the apache module do the svn:// protocol too?
23:48:31Bagderno I don't think so
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23:48:42Bagderbut both can run fine together
23:48:49Nico_PBagder: so we're using svnserve only?
23:48:53Bagderyes
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23:49:35Nico_Poh, that would explain it then :) I was mistaken by the alleged availability of http://svn.rockbox.org (on the wiki IIRC)
23:49:54bluebrotherwhat's the reason for svn over http?
23:49:57Bagderright, but that only has the viewvc for browsing atm
23:50:06Bagderbluebrother: proxy support basically
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23:50:20DerPapstBagder: could you please commit http://pastebin.ca/1078843? It contains changes to the irc reader to get rid of some bugs and issues.
23:50:56Nico_PBagder: yeah, and UsingSVN doesn't mention http://... I don't know where I got this idea
23:51:14Nico_Pwould adding http access be a possibility though?
23:51:21Bagderit would indeed
23:51:45BagderDerPapst: I prefer to leave those things to zagor
23:52:27DerPapstBagder: mkay. thanks anyway.
23:52:43DerPapstdo you know when he's around again?
23:52:54Bagdernope
23:53:10DerPapstk..
23:53:17peturholidays in Sweden?
23:53:18Nico_PBagder: it would be great, I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one to be thankful :)
23:54:03Bagderpetur: yes, all three of us Swedes are on holiday atm
23:54:20peturI figured...
23:54:36BagderNico_P: yes, I have it planned but during my vacations I've been held back to only do my "essentials" so I haven't gotten to the http for svn part yet
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