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#rockbox log for 2008-07-22

00:00:09peturhmmm when I change all the SYSFONT_ lang strings to normal ones for the rec screen, should I depricate the SYSFONT ones and leave them in, adding the new ones?
00:00:31peturor just rename them everywhere
00:00:49amiconnI guess renaming would be ok here, as there are no non-sysfont alternatives
00:01:20peturbut I ĺl have to rename them in all lang files or genlang won't like it, right?
00:02:02amiconnYou don't have to, but it would be better
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00:02:27amiconnOtherwise all other languages would lose their translations for these strings, and fall back to english
00:02:45petur... wthat I thought... not good
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00:03:15amiconnOtoh this would signal those translators of non-latin languages that they should redo the thing properly
00:03:23*petur blames bad typing on the beer, even if it wasn't much and not very strong
00:04:01peturtrue
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00:25:29Casainhohello Rockbox people!!
00:25:50CasainhoI am looking for information about USB stack on wiki pages... can someone point me to there?
00:25:51DerPapsthello Casainho!!
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00:27:14linuxstbCasainho: The wiki has a search feature - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebSearch?search=usb&scope=topic
00:28:41Casainhooh, thanks, I did found the page I was looking with your help :-)
00:28:48Casainhohttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbSoftwareStack
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00:32:14Casainhobye bye :-)
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00:33:06*scorche|sh wonders if he read the notice at the top of that page
00:33:32*DerPapst makes a guess..
00:33:36DerPapstno. :-P
00:34:02DerPapstit less bold and read
00:34:51DerPapstmeh... i can't type n stuff
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00:42:07kugellinuxstb: Hey, I think I could optimize my custom list vp code, so that it only parses the config once, instead of 4 times at every redraw
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00:51:41linuxstbkugel: Then do it ;)
00:52:11kugellinuxstb: Already did, but I'm fighting new problem now
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00:56:54kugelsolved!
00:57:18DerPapstwheeee!
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00:59:17DerPapstmight all :-)
00:59:24DerPapst*night even :-P
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01:06:13kugellinuxstb: Is it ok to set a variable to true upon config/settings load in order to have the custom list vp reinitialized?
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01:07:13kugellinuxstb: if that's not ok, I think I need to go back to reparse at every list redraw :S
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01:08:34soapAm I correct in saying only the 1st and 2nd generation iPods lack a dock connector?
01:09:24linuxstbkugel: Don't just ask me... I would need to see the code, but it sounds reasonable enough to me.
01:10:19kugellinuxstb: I think I'll just put it this way on the tracker soon. People will hopefully comment on that
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01:11:53linuxstbsoap: That's what wikipedia says... Seems the earlier ipods just had a real firewire port.
01:14:01soapthank you. Embarrassed to admit I didn't even think of looking at wikipedia for such an obvious answer.
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05:46:16num1I was just looking through the code for the sansa e200 series, and I noticed rockbox acts like the PP5024 processor is a PP5020 processor. However the 5024 supports quite a few things that I know through experience rockbox supports, but the PP5020 doesn't. How can this be? (As example of something the PP5020 doesn't support is more than 256M of flash memory, where my Sansa e280 has 8G)
05:49:07num1is anyone here that worked on the e200 port?
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06:05:29saratoganum1: i saw your question in the logs
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06:06:01saratogawe don't actually assume the PP5024 is exactly the same as the PP5020, however they're similar enough that for most things the differences can be ignored
06:06:56saratogafor things like flash memory and hard disks, targets use their own drivers if needed
06:08:40num1thanks for the clarification
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06:26:06num1firmware/export/tuner.h:89 should say /* Sansa e200 or c200 Series */
06:28:04num1it's not really worth making a patch for
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07:23:59num1I'm trying to understand the build process of rockbox, how is the target initially passed to build? For example, the very first file imported by main.c is config.h, which imports other config files based on defines "#if defined(ARCHOS_PLAYER)
07:23:59num1#include "config-player.h"" but where is ARCHOS_PLAYER or any other variable defined?
07:25:00num1Sorry, I don't quite know the terminology for a variable defined for the pre-compiler
07:27:32safetydannum1: there's a config file generated by the configure tool
07:28:36MU{lappy}it seems to be in the generated makefile in my build directory
07:28:44num1safetydan: do you mean the makefile?
07:28:53MU{lappy}export TARGET=-DGIGABEAT_S
07:29:30num1yes but look at the targets
07:29:32num1build: tools langs
07:29:32num1$(SILENT)$(MAKE) -C $(FIRMDIR) OBJDIR=$(BUILDDIR)/firmware
07:29:32num1$(SILENT)$(MAKE) -C $(APPSDIR) OBJDIR=$(BUILDDIR)/apps
07:30:07kushal_12_27_200how do I know when a new version of rockbox is available for my sansa c250? If I want to update using rbutilqt, how can I do it?
07:30:21num1the only references to TARGET are in the fontzip, zip, fullzip, 7zip and tar targets
07:30:47num1kushal_12_27_200: rockbox doesn't really use versions
07:31:13num1kushal_12_27_200: there's a daily build at http://build.rockbox.org/
07:32:02kushal_12_27_200thanks.
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07:39:42num1I'm seriously confused about this makefile thing
07:40:07num1the makefile exports TARGET but where is it referenced?
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07:48:23safetydannum1: have you looked at the makefiles in firmware and apps?
07:49:09safetydanthose makefile lines you quoted are just the master makefile calling sub-makefiles
07:51:25num1this is going to sound retarded, but I don't see any makefiles in the firmware of apps directory
07:51:42num1nevermind, I found them
07:52:41num1okay, thanks, I was only looking at the build directory the whole time
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08:44:49linuxstbsoap: Awake?
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10:33:29ImaginalI am having a problem with unprotected m4a files refusing to play, and freezing the box from playing anything on a 4g ipod. Does anyone have any ideas?
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10:37:32BigBambiImaginal: What version of Rockbox?
10:38:15Imaginalyesterday's build?
10:38:29BigBambiThere are many builds per day
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10:38:59BigBambiYou can find out from info in the system menu (I think from memory)
10:39:14num1Imaginal: start rockbox, from the main menu choose system->version
10:39:29num1what's the number at the bottom of the screen?
10:39:29Imaginalr18085-080717
10:47:11Imaginalupdated to current build... r18113-080721
10:47:20num1does it work now?
10:47:31Imaginalable to replicate the problem.
10:48:00num1does the player play any other files without crashing?
10:48:54Imaginalafter a hard reset, it will play mp3, wma, and flac, but as soon as I try to play any m4a, the device requires a reset
10:49:19LloreanHow were the M4A created?
10:50:32Imaginalmy particular m4a says iTunes v6.0.2.23, QuickTime 7.0.4
10:51:09LloreanWhen you attempt to play it, what happens? Does it go to the playback screen, but stay at 0:00?
10:52:58Imaginalat the wps, the file name is displayed, but no tag information, question marks for bitrate and file type, 0:00/0:00 and will stay there with a play icon
10:53:07LloreanOkay
10:53:18LloreanI'm pretty sure this means the M4A isn't streamable
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10:53:31LloreanEither that, or it has tags that are interfering (sometimes large album art)
10:53:32num1can you open the file on your computer? Double check that the codec matches with mp4 wrapper
10:53:47brianqueefcookiehey can anyone here help me with a quickkk question plzzz
10:53:55num1brianqueefcookie: just ask
10:54:11LloreanFoobar2000 has a feature, "Optimize MP4 layout" that can fix it if it was the first problem I suggested.
10:54:18LloreanIf you're not able to use that, I'm not sure what other programs may do this
10:54:20Imaginalnum1: I can open the file, yes
10:54:34brianqueefcookieim new to this, but im tryin to get rockbox on my ipod....but when i downloaded and ran the bootloader thing..it says the ipod can not be found
10:54:47brianqueefcookiebut my ipod is connected to my comp
10:55:15advcomp2019brianqueefcookie, what ipod
10:55:35brianqueefcookie80g
10:56:17advcomp20195.5 gen or 6th gen?
10:56:20linuxstbbrianqueefcookie: Is it an "ipod Classic"
10:56:31brianqueefcookieyeah
10:56:48Imaginalnum1: mp4 wrapper? what is this?
10:56:53linuxstbbrianqueefcookie: Then see the front page of the Rockbox website - http://www.rockbox.org
10:58:45brianqueefcookieoh
10:58:47brianqueefcookiehaha
10:58:49brianqueefcookiei see it now
10:58:54brianqueefcookiethx
10:59:12ImaginalLlorean: I am using linux, and would rather stay away from foobar if I can
10:59:13num1Imaginal: well, I probably said that one wrong, but if you didn't understand me then it's probably not your problem. I once spent 2 months trying to figure out why my mp3s didn't play to find they were encoded as mp2s. I though you might have some unsupported format with an mp4 extension
10:59:31LloreanImaginal: You'll need to find your own tool then, if that's the problem.
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11:00:37num1Imaginal: you could use vlc to convert to mp3, I don't know if it fixes mp4s
11:00:56GodEaterthere's a tool under linux to optimise .m4as too
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11:01:59GodEatermp4creator will do it
11:02:45LloreanAlthough very long MP4s will also have this problem optimized or not.
11:02:50ImaginalGodEater: looking into it. I'll update after I know more
11:03:05ImaginalLlorean: They are typical song-length
11:03:32LloreanThen it's most likely a metada concern, I think
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11:07:09GodEaterImaginal: if you're on ubuntu or debian of some flavour, the package is called mpeg4ip-server
11:08:50ImaginalGodEater: I am, and the package is helping in the detective work :)
11:10:15GodEaterImaginal: I think it's something as simple as "mp4creator -optimize <your .m4a file>"
11:11:08ImaginalLooks right, there is artwork saved to them, so I'm wondering if that matters. Optimizing now
11:12:17GodEaterwell try the optimize first, if that doesn't help, then remove the artwork
11:13:33*amiconn hates codecs which crash on problematic files
11:13:50ImaginalGood news and bad news...
11:14:13Lloreanamiconn: It's the MP4 parser, not the codec itself (just to be precise), it encounters the same issues with ALAC.
11:14:35amiconnOk, but that wasn't really the point
11:14:41ImaginalOptimizing worked... but now I have to fix a bunch of m4a... :P
11:14:51amiconnRockbox shouldn't crash regardless what file you throw at it
11:14:57Lloreanamiconn: Agreed.
11:15:19GodEaterImaginal : for i in "*.m4a";do mp4creator -optimize "$i";done
11:15:25amiconnIt should refuse to play the file if it cannot be played properly
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11:16:08amiconnMaking some nasty noises would also be bearable, as long as stop and skip keep working
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11:16:31*amiconn remembers some funny noises from trying to play mp1 on the MAS
11:20:38ImaginalGodEater: I always have problems decipering these strings... error
11:21:16GodEater"error" on it's own isn't a lot of help...
11:22:05ImaginalGodEater: Sorry, that was stupid.MP4ERROR: MP4Open: failed: No such file or directory
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11:23:22GodEaterperhaps try this instead then
11:23:34GodEateryou're still using your ipod music directory structure under ipod_control I assume ?
11:24:09ImaginalGodEater: no
11:24:31GodEaterok - never mind that then, you have your ipod mounted on your PC ?
11:24:41Imaginalyes
11:24:47GodEater/media/<your ipod name> somewhere ?
11:24:56Imaginalyou bet
11:25:06GodEaterok so in a terminal, cd into that directory
11:25:30GodEaterand then run : find . -name "*.m4a" -exec mp4creator -optimize \{\} \;
11:28:05Imaginal: find . -name "*.m4a" -exec mp4creator -optimize \{\} \;
11:28:24GodEateryou didn't type the ":" too did you ?
11:28:36Imaginalno, i didn't, sorry
11:28:39Imaginalfind: missing argument to `-exec'
11:29:35BigBambiPerhaps this ought to go to -community? It seems to be getting more into shell stuff than strictly RB
11:29:50GodEaterthere's not much else RB going on
11:29:55ImaginalBigBambi: I'm sorry, you are correct
11:30:00GodEaterand it might help other people who bother to search the logs (hahahaha) in future
11:30:02BigBambiI'm thinking of those that read the logs
11:30:28GodEaterImaginal: you just copied and pasted my command into your terminal ?
11:30:36BigBambiTrouble is, those who need this probably won't read the logs, and those that don't but do read the logs will probably get irritated by it :)
11:30:43ImaginalGodEater: yes
11:30:50GodEatercurious, it works here
11:30:54GodEaterwhat shell are you using ?
11:31:01Imaginalbash
11:31:21GodEaterI'm baffled then
11:31:48GodEatercan you copy the entire text from your terminal window, and paste it into a pastebin.ca post please ?
11:34:18ImaginalNothing awesome... http://pastebin.ca/1079323
11:35:37GodEateryou cleared the terminal window first ?
11:35:42GodEaterthat's not terribly useful
11:35:53Imaginalthere are no windows
11:36:00Imaginalerr... errros
11:36:27GodEaterso where did the "missing argument to '-exec'" go then ?
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11:39:34ImaginalGot it, typo caused that. Now I enter the line, then nothing
11:40:09amiconnuit bbl
11:40:12GodEaterthat means it's working
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11:40:22GodEaterleave it alone
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11:40:58ImaginalI understand. Thank you for your patience.
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11:41:32GodEateryou'll get the prompt back when it's finished
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11:45:43ImaginalThings worked perfect, thanks again for the help!
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11:48:54ImaginalI also through -verbose into the string while it scans the rest of my drives. It spits out too much to be useful, but I like to see when something is working ^_^
11:49:11Imaginal*threw
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12:10:40soaplinuxstb, I am awake now
12:11:10linuxstbsoap: I noticed your "ipod accessories" build - are you sure it works on the 3G? I would have thought the serial driver was just for pp502x (i.e. 4th gen and later)
12:12:17soapI have no idea - no 3G to play with. I simply built for all with the Dock Connector. ;)
12:12:25linuxstbAlso, even though the 1st/2nd gen don't have a dock connector, they might have a serial port via the "remote control connector" which (on my ipod Color at least) is next to the headphone socket. But I don't know when that was introduced (I know it was removed with the Nano/Video).
12:16:33soapI can add those this evening.
12:26:21linuxstbsoap: Have you modified the patch at all?
12:26:57soapnot at all, why do you ask?
12:26:58linuxstbLooking at the latest version on flyspray, it only seems to be enabled for the Nano and Video.
12:27:12soapcrap - forgot about that.
12:27:13linuxstbAnd the code is only for pp502x ipods - so 4th gen and above.
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12:28:05soapforgot to enable the others, thanks. I should have done this when more awake. I had been meaning to do this, and instead of waiting until I had the time I rushed it out the door.
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12:29:02linuxstbIt also seems to have some target-specific code, so I would doubt it will work as-is on all ipods.
12:31:44linuxstbThe code only seems to have cases for the 4G greyscale, Nano and Video..
12:34:28soapI need to leave for work, modified the forum thread and website to address this as much as I can this morning. Will look into adding 4G color and Mini 2G as well this evening.
12:34:45soapThank you for pointing that out. Completely forgot about that aspect.
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13:51:11wpyhhi
13:51:32*wpyh notices that he always starts conversations with "hi"
13:52:29wpyhwhich one is the correct prefix for mips tools: mipsel-linux or mipsel-elf?
13:52:48wpyhtools/configure seems to prefer mipsel-linux and tools/rockboxdev.sh seems to prefer mipsel-elf
13:52:59wpyhwhich results in an error when trying to build the Onda target
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13:58:07*wpyh wonders whether everyone's busy at -community
13:59:01LloreanOr maybe, because the Onda is a very limited target worked on by very few, simply nobody knows.
13:59:08LloreanYou'd probably be best off asking in the thread for it in the forums.
13:59:17wpyhhm...
13:59:32wpyhI googled for it and it seems that the correct one is mipsel-elf
13:59:33linuxstbwpyh: I would look at "svn blame tools/configure" and see who added the line to use mipsel-linux, and ask them.
13:59:57wpyhLlorean: I'm a bit impatient so... :p but I'll try the forums next time
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14:00:11*wpyh will try svn blame as linuxstb says
14:00:47linuxstbwpyh: Also look at the commit message for the svn revision that added that line - that may explain why
14:00:50wpyhmcuelenaere
14:01:10Nico_Plinuxstb: there's an interesting (IMO) question in the forums about the theme site... are you planning on having download counters?
14:01:20linuxstbwpyh: Then you probably need to wait until he's around....
14:01:33wpyhlinuxstb: thanks
14:01:39wpyhwill a small patch be accepted?
14:01:47wpyhmipsel-linux- -> mipsel-elf-
14:01:57BigBambiIf it is correct, yes
14:01:58wpyhor maybe someone can just make that commit
14:02:10linuxstbNico_P: Hadn't really thought about it. But we should at least make sure that downloads are logged, even if we don't (at first) display the results
14:02:23wpyhBigBambi: OK, I'll try
14:02:46linuxstbwpyh: I don't think anyone would want to commit that without talking to mcuelenaere
14:02:55wpyhhmmm
14:03:03BigBambiThis was my point
14:03:08wpyhok then, I'll wait until he's around
14:03:11wpyhtwo weeks?
14:03:15BigBambihence "if it is correct" :)
14:03:53wpyhso "correct" == "mcuelenaere says it's correct"?
14:04:16BigBambiOr someone else who understands what is going on there
14:04:28BigBambiFor now, that is probably mcuelenaere
14:04:36wpyhok :)
14:04:37Nico_Plinuxstb: yeah, I think it would be nice to have some stats... the ability to sort themes by most downloaded would be nice
14:04:56Nico_Pmaybe even having ratings, but I might be getting a little carried away
14:05:10wpyhstats+ratings are commonly used on sites like kde-look
14:05:13wpyh(IIRC)
14:05:21wpyhI think it would be a good idea
14:05:51wpyhthe downside may be that new themes don't get looked at because most people download only the most-downloaded or highly-rated themes
14:06:47wpyhhm... lots of missing #define's when building the vx747 target −− I guess I'll just wait for mcuelenaere
14:07:17wpyhbtw, does anyone notice the change on IpodConversionToFAT32?
14:07:24Nico_Pa way to see new additions would be nice too... it's hard to see which themes are new when tere are already lots
14:07:47wpyhI made the mformat section "old, alternative" and suggested newfs_msdos as the correct way
14:08:10wpyhI've tested it on a friend's macbook, and both RB and the OF runs fine
14:08:43wpyhadditionally, I've captured the output of 'file' before and after the operation, and they display very similar structures indicating that they may be based on the same code
14:08:54wpyhshould I make it available?
14:09:14wpyhNico_P: yes, there should be a way to show newly added/updated themes
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14:22:54BigBambiwpyh: Try searching the logs - there was some discussion after your last changes resulting in what you see now IIRC
14:25:28Slasherikugel: hi
14:25:28wpyhBigBambi: are you referring to the wiki page IpodConversionToFAT32?
14:25:44BigBambiyes
14:26:19wpyhhm... I see myself as the person who made the last change
14:26:31wpyhI mean, at the bottom right corner of the page
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14:26:56BigBambiLook for who made the change between what you thought and what you see now
14:27:29*wpyh doesn't understand what BigBambi is saying
14:28:08BigBambiPerhaps I misunderstood what you said
14:28:25BigBambiI read your statement above as that you had made some changes that are no longer there
14:28:35wpyhah, no
14:28:46wpyhwhat I mean is that I made some changes to the page :)
14:28:51BigBambiah
14:29:07wpyhand since I didn't talk about it on IRC, I would like to announce the changes
14:29:34BigBambiI was confused with you saying "the changes" implying by someone else, and not "my changes"
14:30:18*wpyh needs to be more clear...
14:30:41BigBambiJust a minor misunderstanding :)
14:30:43wpyhBigBambi: thanks. sometimes I just assume things :p
14:30:45wpyhyeah
14:31:01wpyhanyway, please test newfs_msdos
14:31:24wpyhit's way more convenient than mformat, which requires one to modify a configuration file before it can format
14:32:15GodEaterthe only people that can test are OSX owners
14:32:23GodEaterwhich I think we've established in here, are few and far between
14:35:53wpyhyeah
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14:43:46kugelSlasheri: have you already taken a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7287?
14:44:38kugelSlasheri: support for sort tags. I already implemented tags, but not that the database shows the normal tags but sorts internally by the sort tags
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15:11:27kugelSlasheri: Thanks, I think the support of this tags would be great
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15:20:55JdGordonlinuxstb: hey, I know why there are no photos of the e100 internals... its not obvious how you open the thing without breaking it
15:22:02LambdaCalculus37JdGordon: The e100 is a SigmaTel-based player. And here I was thinking it was a Telechips-based DAP with an SD slot.
15:22:25JdGordonits a very nice player...
15:22:32JdGordon8gb, big screen, micro sd
15:23:18LambdaCalculus37JdGordon: Eh? Are we on the same wavelength here?
15:23:29JdGordoniriver e100
15:23:30peturLambdaCalculus37: where did you find that info?
15:23:51LambdaCalculus37JdGordon: Ohhh! I thought you meant the Sansa e100! :P
15:23:56JdGordon:)
15:24:05peturthe iriver e100 has line-in
15:25:54LambdaCalculus37petur: Sorry, I thought JdGordon meant this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Sandisk.jpg/800px-Sandisk.jpg
15:26:16peturhmmm
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15:26:46LifthangerHello,I guess this is asked a thousand times a day, but i couldn
15:26:50JdGordonLambdaCalculus37: yeah, I should have said iriver, but linuxstb (should) know what i was talking about.. unless i have the person or target wrong :p
15:27:13peturLambdaCalculus37: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iriver_E100
15:27:39LambdaCalculus37petur: Yes, I've seen the iriver E100 series already, although I don't really have plans on getting one.
15:28:37peturwith the h3x0/h1x0/x5 getting more and more difficult to get, we need a new recording-centric target (ie one that has line-in)
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15:28:54Strife89I'm looking for Marc Guay.
15:28:58LifthangerHello,I guess this is asked a thousand times a day, but i couldn't find an answer on the forums. Is it technically impossible to use rockbox on the newer ipods or is it just not implemented? thanks
15:29:12GodEaterLifthanger: not impossible, just very difficult
15:29:13JdGordonnothing is impossible
15:29:27GodEaterLifthanger: and no-one has done the enormous amount of work involved in making it happen
15:29:30Strife89lifthanger:the newest iPods have their firmware encrypted
15:29:42GodEaterStrife89: Marc doesn't often hang out here
15:29:43JdGordonpetur: do none of the "newer" targets have linein?
15:29:52peturnot that I know
15:30:02JdGordonGodEater: he does.. just your at opposite timezones
15:30:13peturmost have internal mic only or something that requires a doc
15:30:18LifthangerAh thanks, now I understand
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15:30:37GodEaterLifthanger: this explanation is given in much greater detail in the forum thread
15:31:34Strife89Oh, well.
15:31:59GodEaterJdGordon: really? I must have missed him in the logs...
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15:32:15Strife89What's his nick?
15:32:16JdGordonhe's usually on around lunch time here..
15:32:26JdGordonStrife89: MarcGuay :p
15:32:28GodEaterStrife89: what do you want him for anyway ?
15:32:45Strife89I ported PlainandSimple..... but with heavy changes.
15:33:10LambdaCalculus37Strife89: You could always PM him on the forums.
15:33:11Strife89I know it's under CC 3.0, but.....
15:33:13tonsOfSparkshello, everyone. I am trying to install rockbox in a sansa c240, but the bootloader refuses to install - the patcher says "failed to decrypt image". what do I do? if this helps, i have used the sansa update tool to update the firmware to 01.XX.07 before.
15:33:40Strife89You want the firmware LOWER than 01.xx.07.
15:34:04Strife89Like 01.xx.03 -ish.
15:34:17LambdaCalculus37tonsOfSparks: Here's where you can get a lower firmware version: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port#Sansapatcher_isn_t_finding_my_c2
15:36:45tonsOfSparksthanks, i'm trying that right now
15:42:53LambdaCalculus37Make sure to read the instructions *exactly*!
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15:51:33tonsOfSparksthanks, dudes! (and gals if there are any, which i doubt)
15:51:40tonsOfSparksi now have XXXX.00
15:51:49tonsOfSparkstrying to do auto rockbox install
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15:56:54tonsOfSparksok, it said th installatio successful
15:57:01tonsOfSparksunplugging
15:57:12LambdaCalculus37Both of the bootloader and a build?
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15:57:17tonsOfSparksyes
15:57:37tonsOfSparksand rockdoom - which i'm not sur if i'll be using, but whatever
15:57:47tonsOfSparksrebooting
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15:58:27LambdaCalculus37Rockdoom on a c240? Don't bother, to be honest. The LCD on the c200 isn't really the best for a high speed game like Doom.
15:58:29tonsOfSparksYESS! my SansaC240 is not a ROCKsansaBOX-C240
15:58:35tonsOfSparksthany you all
15:58:41tonsOfSparksthank you
15:58:44LambdaCalculus37It's not a Rockboxed c240? :P
15:58:55*LambdaCalculus37 points to tonOfSparks' little typo
15:59:01tonsOfSparksyou know what i mean, whatever is is
15:59:11tonsOfSparkslol
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16:00:08tonsOfSparksok, now how do i get it off MSC mode (under rockbox) so i can add mucic to it?
16:01:10BigBambiYou need to use the Sansa OF as MSC to add music for now
16:01:31BigBambiRockbox doesn't yet have USB for some players, including the c200
16:01:46LambdaCalculus37Here's how to get back into the Sansa OF: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansac200/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-290003.1.3
16:02:22tonsOfSparksPower+left, right? thats as far as i got in the manual. thanks
16:02:47tonsOfSparksyup, that works
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16:04:43LambdaCalculus37tonsOfSparks: Don't forget to check out more of the manual. It explains a lot of how to make the most of Rockbox.
16:05:53Strife89Er, how do I add images to the Wiki?
16:08:11tonsOfSparksyeah. i definately will.
16:08:31peturStrife89: as attachments?
16:08:54Strife89petur: Yes.
16:08:58tonsOfSparksok, my first problem. I was playing spacerocks and it says Prefetch abort at <hex value> what's that mean and what do i do about it?
16:09:16Strife89tonsOfSparks: it's a bug
16:09:25peturStrife89: my question was actually an answer ;)
16:09:44tonsOfSparksso how do I restart?
16:09:45LambdaCalculus37tonsOfSparks: How the Power/Menu button down for about 15-20 seconds to force the Sansa to shut off.
16:09:46Strife89petur: I'm not sure how to attach files
16:10:22LambdaCalculus37Then give it about a second or two before powering it back on again.
16:10:22tonsOfSparksgracias, sapasibo, and thatever else...
16:10:30tonsOfSparksk
16:10:45Strife89And ignore SpaceRocks until it's fixed. :p
16:10:52tonsOfSparksperfect!
16:10:56tonsOfSparksi love it!
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16:11:01peturStrife89: there's an Attach link at the bottom of each page
16:11:08tonsOfSparksnow i'm gonna go and read the manual.
16:11:16tonsOfSparksc yall and thnks again
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16:11:48Strife89petur: Ohhhhhhhh..... I was looking in the edit page.
16:12:20GodEaterStrife89: rather than litter that thread with more cruft, want to visit -community for an ex-falso lesson ?
16:12:32Strife89Sure.
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16:25:45linuxstbJdGordon|zzz: I think you're mistaking me for someone else - I know nothing about the iriver e100
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16:34:34tonsOfSparkshello again. i've read a lot of the manual but cant find the solution to this problem anywhere: when i try to build database, it gets stuck at 704. when i try to browse files, it shows all the stuff i get under windows under MSC mode. I switched mrom MSC to auto in the regular firmware, but it makes not difference. what do I do?
16:35:44Strife89Have you set the View Files setting to All?
16:36:19BigBambiHe is using the database
16:36:48Strife89Did you transfer your music while under MSC mode?
16:36:52BigBambitonsOfSparks: You do need it in MSC not auto in the OF. What type of files are you adding? Do you have any embedded album art?
16:37:09BigBambiStrife89: Yes, at first
16:37:36BigBambistrife89: His message says he can see what he added as MSC under files, but the database fails to build
16:37:56Strife89Time to get a cup of coffee.
16:38:29tonsOfSparksit's on teh default value. I'm assuming that's all. when i use the file browser i get the SYSTEM folder. whenever i plug into my computer i see my music folder, etc, but under rockbox i see SYSTEM folder and the Version.txt file
16:38:51BigBambiWhat is on the default value?
16:39:39tonsOfSparksoh ,yeah, sorry - the "view Files" setting is on the dafault value
16:39:51BigBambiYou just said you can see everything under file browser (in Rockbox). If you cannot, as Strife89 said, turn show files setting to all. The Sansa OF hides the music folder (annoyingly)
16:40:25BigBambiYou can either put your music in a different folder of your choosing, or you can set show all files to all
16:40:38BigBambiThis is a different issue to the database not finishing building though
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16:40:46Strife89Then, if your music shows up, try to play it from the File Browser.
16:40:58Strife89One step at a time. :)
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16:43:56tonsOfSparksok, i set it to view all files, and now i get ALL the folders, as normal, but when i enter my music folder i see none of the subfolders or files that are supposed to be there.
16:45:00tonsOfSparksi'll try deleting all my music and syncing again, i'll see if that helps
16:45:06BigBambiAnd you transfered this music in MSC mode?
16:45:28tonsOfSparksuh.. no that was the music I had on befire i installed rockbox.
16:45:33BigBambiI'd put it in a different folder to Music this time, it'll be a lot easier in the long run
16:45:53BigBambitonsOfSparks: As I said, you need to use MSC to transfer music that Rockbox will see
16:46:01BigBambiMTP changes names and stuff
16:47:01tonsOfSparksoh! will the sansa OS see the music i transfered in MSC? (just wondering)
16:47:10BigBambiyes
16:51:46Strife89tonsofSparks: I just uploaded a theme port to the WPS gallery if you want to try it later.
16:51:49Strife89http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsSansaC200#Plain_and_Simple
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16:56:16tonsOfSparksok, I'm assuming that I can't use RockBox to play DRM'd Spiralfrog downloads, am I right?
16:56:34LambdaCalculus37That's right.
16:56:37tonsOfSparkscan I play WMA's at all?
16:56:49LambdaCalculus37As long as they're not encumbered by DRM.
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16:57:01tonsOfSparksok, thanks
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17:23:36stonyhi guys
17:23:58stonycan i reconfigure rockbox the way to lock all the menus and only put a few settings available to use it as a audio guide ?
17:24:41LambdaCalculus37Yes you can, but that will require you to edit the source code and compile a new build.
17:26:25stonyhmm dirty hack, i see
17:26:51stonybut that would be ok
17:29:00stonyi'm missing the "license" point on the homepage
17:29:35LambdaCalculus37Rockbox is under GPLv2 or later.
17:30:37stonyhmm this virii thingie
17:32:07*rasher doesn't see why this would be a big issue if you're building an audio guide
17:32:48stonyrasher: i hate the point that i have to release the code i've written for some company back under the gpl, and make it public
17:33:30stonybut i don't want to start a licensing-(meta)-discussion here - i'm sorry for that
17:34:33rasherstony: No, it's fine. We do it once in a while. You don't have to release the code to the world. Just to people you're distributing binaries to. And that's the price for using "our" code as a base.
17:36:33stonyrasher: as far as i understand the gpl i have to distribute the changed code to everony who wants it, binary or not, or at least i have to make an offer for at least 3 years to "spread the code"
17:37:01stonyso as far as i understand it, i have to give to code ALWAYS away
17:37:16stonyi think the *BSD-"do with it what you want"-style is the better one
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17:38:11rasherstony: I'm pretty sure that's a misunderstanding, you only have to distribute source to people who you've distributed binaries to. If you code the stuff, and it's used internally by a company, the only people who have the right to ask you for source is the company.
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17:38:50rasherOf course, they're then free to release the source to the world, but that's the price you pay for piggy-backing on our work.
17:39:53rasherI'm mostly a fan of BSD-style licenses as well, but you have to respect the wishes of the authors.
17:41:58stonysure i do
17:43:01stonyi hack it, compile it, test it, publish it, and then i delete the source ;D
17:43:04stonyjust a joke
17:43:07peturwell if you don't want to release your code but do want to grab all the work the OSS community did, they go and write it all yourself. OSS is about giving and taking, not taking and taking
17:43:23peturs/they/then
17:43:54stonythe point is not the giving and taking - the point is more the licensing-lawyer-thingie
17:44:04peturno it is not
17:44:13stonyit is
17:44:18LambdaCalculus37It is not.
17:44:23petur2-1
17:44:33*petur hands LambdaCalculus37 a beer
17:44:54LambdaCalculus37petur: Thanks! :)
17:45:40stonyone example: a few days ago i was thinking about hacking a piece of software that does imap - it and the modules in it, are under 10 different licenses, some bsd style, some gpl style ... if i go and hack this piece of soft, i have to get a lawyer later to safe my neck ...
17:45:46stonyi bet 101%
17:46:09peturah, mixing licenses is something else
17:47:18stonyalso i think that this gpl-thing sometimes avoids software-patches, add-ons, whatever 'cause the ppl that are programming on it don't like the license style
17:47:52LambdaCalculus37What!?
17:48:15LambdaCalculus37What kind of rubbish talk is that, and from where in your butt did you get that one from?
17:48:46scorche|shif you dont like the GPL, dont use GPL-ed code...simple
17:48:47LambdaCalculus37Do you know how many people have contributed addons and patches to this project?
17:49:00stonythe freedom that is given to the user/developer on the one side is taken from some developers on the other side, as they only want to develope something on top of that, and their software is GPLed later because it used some libs ...
17:49:47scorche|shstony: if you want to try and argue this further, hop into #rockbox-community
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17:50:15stonyscorche|sh: as i said, i don't want this licensing discussion - so i think we should stop it here
17:51:02scorche|shif you dont want to discuss it, then dont...if you dont like abiding by the GPL's terms, then dont use GPLed code...it is simple either way
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18:16:06*linuxstb wonders if anyone is interested in a SAP codec (music from Atari 8-bit computers)
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18:24:04LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: More chiptunes? ;)
18:24:20linuxstbYes - I hate them...
18:24:46LambdaCalculus37Well, I do have the Atari SAP Music Archive in my collection.
18:24:47linuxstbBut a codec would seem to be relatively easy, based on the asap player.
18:24:55LambdaCalculus37Doesn't mean that I listen to them, though. ;)
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19:56:58codesuperkinghello everybody. I am new to rockbox just installed today. learnt that rockbox can enable ipod nano 1st G to lay video. So curious. Need ur help
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19:57:48codesuperkingIn which folder do I add any file be it video or audio when rockbox is installed ?
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19:58:05domonokycodesuperking: anywhere you like..
19:58:07LambdaCalculus37Anywhere you'd like.
19:58:19scorche|shwhichever you want although we dont suggest the .rockbox folder
19:58:19PaulJamanywhere you want (preferrably not the .rockbox folder)
19:58:30LambdaCalculus37codesuperking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
19:58:34scorche|shcodesuperking: might i suggest having a look at the manual?
19:58:36Bagdercodesuperking: we also have a great manual
19:58:41codesuperkingI added in Ipod_Control in F00 folder
19:58:50domonokyfor the videos: you have to covert them to right format and size, see wiki.. :-)
19:58:55codesuperkingHowever unable to navigate to that file using rockbox
19:59:12scorche|shcodesuperking: you need to change the file view option...but it is easier to just not use that folder
19:59:49codesuperkingI have read the manual before posting here but the manual does not clarify which folder which is the reason I ask here
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20:00:04scorche|shbecause there is no specific folder
20:00:04LambdaCalculus37Rockbox doesn't care where you copy videos to.
20:00:07codesuperkingI have downloaded elephants dream
20:00:22LambdaCalculus37Make a /HeapOfMovies folder, for all Rockbox cares.
20:01:05codesuperking@LambdaCalculus37: What is the meaning of / in /HeapOfMovies
20:01:15LambdaCalculus37Folder designation.
20:01:41LambdaCalculus37On Windows, that would be X:\HeapOfMovies (replace X: with your nano's drive letter).
20:02:09codesuperkingThanks. Let me try
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20:05:36codesuperkingI created a movies folder and copied the video to it. On navigating rockbox and going to that folder I am unable to see that video filename. Please let me know any updation is required
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20:08:03LambdaCalculus37What's the file's extension?
20:08:41codesuperking.mpg
20:09:02PaulJamand check what your "show files" setting is set to. it schould be "All" or "supported"
20:09:15codesuperkingThe full file name is elephantsdream-q6-176x128-310kbps.mpg
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20:10:43codesuperkingthanks a ton. It solved the problem. The show files was not selected to All
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20:15:20codesuperkingI encounter one problem also - whenever I connect my ipod that has rockbox started to my computer, it takes a while for my computer to detect that Ipod is connected. I once encountered a case when the computer did not detect it, the ipod did not show charging icon and on unplugging it suddenly displayed the charging icon
20:18:07codesuperkingDoes rockbox has a feature by which any files updated by it are displayed by the original Ipod firmware
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20:20:07PaulJamrockbox has no own USB mode yet. it uses the emergency disk mode of the apple firmware. if you want the apple firmware to see your music, than you have to put the music on the player with itunes
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20:22:32codesuperkingDear ppl, I am impressed with the kind of software rockbox is. Please accept my compliments
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20:25:13codesuperkingI am a developer and would like to contribute to rockbox in my spare time be it documentation,testing or coding. Please let me know the right channels
20:25:33LambdaCalculus37You're in the right channel.
20:29:00LambdaCalculus37This is where the devs come to talk.
20:30:33scorche|shwhy exactly do we need yet another guide?: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling
20:31:11LambdaCalculus37scorche|sh: Strife89 wrote that one.
20:33:36LloreanI think that guide will inspire bad questions
20:33:48LloreanI suspect some people will try "cd /home/username" only to find such a directory does not exist.
20:34:51LambdaCalculus37I wonder why he didn't just write "cd ~" instead, since that's basically the same switch.
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20:36:12LloreanI almost kinda think we should dump the SimpleGuide pages and and make http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile include rockboxdev.sh and mention adding them to your path.
20:36:14scorche|sheither way, why write yet another one instead of just improving the current "simple guide"?
20:36:23*LambdaCalculus37 shrugs
20:36:39LambdaCalculus37I think we should talk to him about merging the two pages back into one.
20:37:05LloreanThen put some notes on it like "Compiling Rockbox is a technical process and should be done by someone with familiarity with their host operating system and the environment they're compiling in. If you don't understand the guide's instructions it is recommended that you seek tutorials for your environment"
20:37:26LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Good idea.
20:41:15codesuperkingFriends I would prefer starting with documentation to gain some familiarity with rockbox terminology. I am adept at writing good manuals apart from good coding - (sorry for some immodesty ;-) )
20:41:39Lloreancodesuperking: Well the manual and the code are both available via our SVN repository
20:41:53LloreanAnd we accept patches to both by way of the patch tracker linked to on nearly every page of the site
20:41:55scorche|shcodesuperking: do you know tex?
20:42:14codesuperkingno but I can learn it
20:43:03codesuperkingI think tex will be useful if the code is in some state of already some documentation. Otherwise it will be whole lot of time
20:43:04num1codesuperking: from what I remember tex takes more than a little effort to learn
20:43:48codesuperkingIf the intention is to generate docs from code, may i suggest doxygen that I have used in many of my projects
20:44:32LambdaCalculus37Ummm, we use TeX for the manual.
20:44:39LambdaCalculus37LaTeX, to be exact.
20:45:34codesuperkingWhat is the current state of this type of document ?
20:46:00domonokyyou can see your self, the manual is linked from the webpage.. :-)
20:46:14LambdaCalculus37And the manual source code is in the SVN trunk.
20:46:41num1The way the menus are currently implemented, is there anyway to make an animation across menus? Like when you choose database the current menu slides off the screen to be replaced by the selected menu
20:46:45domonokyand we do generate specific manuals for every target out of one manual Tex "source - code" :-)
20:46:56num1how hard would that be to code, or would it require a rewrite of some parts
20:47:33rashercodesuperking: The code isn't documented much. A few specific parts are, but the manual is a completely separate piece of work.
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20:47:48codesuperkingI will check this out
20:48:07codesuperkingAre there any specific deadlines ?
20:48:12bertrikyeah, the manual is really a user manual, not a description of the rockbox API or anything like that
20:48:22LambdaCalculus37Deadlines? What are those? ;)
20:48:42LambdaCalculus37What do we look like? A coding sweatshop?
20:49:01domonokyno deadlines in volunteering rockbox work .. :-)
20:49:13bertrikcodesuperking, yes there is a release planned sometime this summer (don't know exactly when)
20:49:18codesuperkingthat is say u are going to deliver a major release at this date and would like the documentation to be in this state at that date −− just an example
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20:51:43Lloreanbertrik: End of Aug.
20:52:30codesuperkingI realise that volunteering needs no deadlines but just my opinion no deadlines means work goes at a very easy going pace
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20:53:31LambdaCalculus37We're not getting paid anyway. Why rush good things?
20:53:42Lloreancodesuperking: While we have no deadlines, we do occasionally have targets.
20:54:03LloreanOne target is having the manual cover all the features of Rockbox, and preferably easy to read, but the end of Aug for the release.
20:55:00codesuperkingFrankly ,when my boss gives deadlines, I resent him but then I realise its for some good - the only thing is it be realistic
20:55:16bertrikcodesuperking, rockbox get updates every day and there's plenty of work in the pipeline and being done on new ports
20:56:15LambdaCalculus37codesuperking, here people work on what they want to work on, when they get some time to.
20:56:22LambdaCalculus37We have lives to tend to, as well.
20:56:53codesuperking@Llorean: My plan is to first check the state of documentation go through its features, work with rockbox on my Ipod and will start working on the documentation
20:57:24Lloreancodesuperking: We appreciate any and all contributions.
20:57:46codesuperkingthanks
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20:58:07linuxstbcodesuperking: Which ipod do you have?
20:58:12codesuperkinggoodbye friends. Its night out here and feeling zzzzzzzzzz
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20:58:50esperegu_anyone knows if png albumart support is planned?
20:59:06GodEater_we'd need plain png support first
20:59:09GodEater_which we don't have
20:59:26esperegu_ok. so is that planned? ;-)
20:59:33BigBambinot that I know of
20:59:34GodEater_nothing is planned really
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20:59:39domonokyesperegu_: we normally dont have any plans. if someone likes to work on it, we have it, otherwise not..
20:59:40GodEater_things just happen when people work on them
20:59:43esperegu_hehe
20:59:43BigBambiBut people tend to work on what they want to
20:59:58esperegu_so.. anyone workin on it? :-D
20:59:59GodEater_to my knowledge, no-one is working on it currently
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21:00:05esperegu_k
21:00:18esperegu_any current devices that are supported?
21:00:22LambdaCalculus37Nope.
21:00:22GodEater_nope
21:00:31esperegu_:-(
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21:00:47esperegu_when do those stupid manufactures wake up and deliver supported devices?
21:00:47codesuperkingI have ipod nano 1st G
21:00:49esperegu_dammit
21:00:56LambdaCalculus37Although if you'd like a device, here's a nice Sansa e270 deal: http://www.froobi.com/SanDisk-Sansa-e270-6GB-MP3-Media-Player-w-FMVoice-Recorder-Factory-Recertified-Rockbox-Ready_p_78-32282.html#
21:01:24linuxstbcodesuperking: Ah, OK. I was hoping you would have a rarer device - some ipods don't have very many (or any) developers
21:01:31BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: *and you are in the US :)
21:01:33GodEater_"Rockbox Ready"? :)
21:01:34GodEater_haha
21:01:41GodEater_we should have a certification program
21:01:42linuxstbRocks for Sure...
21:01:48domonoky:-)
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21:01:55LambdaCalculus37I like that. :)
21:01:57GodEater_hahaha
21:01:58esperegu_looks nice
21:02:08num1esperegu_: You could try porting the libpng code if you wanted to
21:02:19BigBambiI do like that it is being sold as Rockbox ready though
21:02:20*GodEater_ looked at that a while ago
21:02:27GodEater_it's full of floating point math though :(
21:02:29codesuperking@linuxstb: No rare device however I have a old PC that I am thinking over of putting to some use
21:02:51LambdaCalculus37codesuperking: You can set it up as a build server for us.
21:02:53num1GodEater_: that's unfortunate
21:03:15BigBambiDepends how old - too old will be too slow to be of much use
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21:03:54esperegu_LambdaCalculus37: they only ship to USA
21:04:05codesuperking@lambdaCalculus37: I am a person of limited means and will not be able to afford costs of bband here
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21:05:12*LambdaCalculus37 thinks of something Rockbox needs more of that codesuperking can help with
21:05:20LambdaCalculus37Beer! We need more beer! :)
21:05:48num1LambdaCalculus37: The wiki has some pages that need to be clesned up
21:05:56num1he could work on those
21:06:02codesuperkingahh! I am not a drinker and have unfavourable opinion abt alcoholics ;-)
21:06:53GodEater_oh dear
21:07:01GodEater_what an unfortunate place to voice such an opinion
21:07:23*BigBambi claims drinking alcohol != alcoholic
21:07:47*GodEater_ would agree with that claim
21:07:59linuxstbshotofadds: I tried the SVN NAND code on my Logik DAX, without any success (nothing mounted), but I'm not really sure what I need to look for/at...
21:08:05*GodEater_ hides his half empty vodka bottle
21:08:11BigBambiamateur
21:08:28num1This is getting a little offtopic
21:08:37GodEater_beer is never off topic
21:08:38BigBambibeer is always on topic
21:08:39num1lol
21:09:14nardulAm i correct in assuming that rockbox only uses fat32?
21:09:16*GodEater_ high fives BigBambi
21:09:19GodEater_nardul: yes
21:09:26num1nardul: you're correct
21:09:34BigBambiat fat16 on removable cards IIRC
21:09:38BigBambis/at/and
21:09:38domonokyand fat16 :-)
21:09:49nardulAm i further correct in assuming that no other FS will be support for a while?
21:09:51shotofaddslinuxstb: yes, I saw that in the logs. I'm 90% sure the 77x driver works as well as it does on the D2, but it seems the smaller block size on the 1Gb chips means block translation errors occur more often (including logical sector 0...)
21:09:58BigBambinardul: I'd say so
21:10:00GodEater_nardul: if you take while and replace it with never
21:10:00BigBambiif at all
21:10:04codesuperkinggoodbye friends will meet you soon again. <going for sleep>
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21:10:17GodEater_there is no reason to support another FS
21:10:33linuxstbshotofadds: Is there anything I can do to verify that the raw reads are working correctly? Or are you confident about those?
21:10:45LambdaCalculus37Another FS means bloated code, which we don't want.
21:10:59LambdaCalculus37Besides, all the major OS'es support FAT32.
21:11:10GodEater_plus no other FS is supported on as many OSs
21:11:13GodEater_dammit
21:11:21nardulGodEater_, There's many good reasons to support another fs. Fat is giving me many problems. And i'd like to have big files on there. And worst of all, fat sucks pipes.
21:11:32nardulBut you have points.
21:11:44num1LambdaCalculus37: you keep talking about bloated code, wouldn't it be possible to do a unix'ism and write filesystem handlers as plugins?
21:11:45linuxstbnardul: Then write a new filesystem driver... Basically, it's going to be a _lot_ of work, for very small gain.
21:12:00linuxstbI would like to see someone do it though (but others disagree...).
21:12:12LambdaCalculus37num1: What linuxstb said also applies to you.
21:12:13nardullinuxstb, I'd like to, but i'm afraid i'm not smart enough.
21:12:19shotofaddslinuxstb: raw reads are fine. the tests I've done involve writing known values to the volume from Windows, then reading them back using the Rockbox driver. The errors in block translation occur because there are multiple physical blocks marked with the same logical block number - the problem is figuring out which copy is correct
21:12:56linuxstbshotofadds: That's on an m200 though?
21:13:02nardulext2 would be pretty sweet though.
21:13:22shotofaddslinuxstb: both. the translation scheme is exactly the same
21:13:24*LambdaCalculus37 is glad shotofadds is having fun with the m240 :)
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21:13:28GodEater_it would only be of use to unix users though
21:13:37GodEater_linux at that
21:13:40linuxstbshotofadds: You mean an m200 and a DAX? Or m200 and D2?
21:13:48*shotofadds thinks it'd be more fun if the screen worked
21:14:06LambdaCalculus37shotofadds: Still can't get it to work correctly?
21:14:11nardulGodEater_, There's drivers for windows. And mac. And it's a better FS. imo. And even i have to add drivers for fat in linux.
21:14:11shotofaddslinuxstb: m200 and D2. I doubt the DAX/M200 differ significantly
21:14:36BigBambinardul: You have to add fat drivers to linux?
21:14:36GodEater_nardul: really? what weird distro are you using then ?
21:14:41BigBambiWhat odd distro?
21:14:43linuxstbSo I do, but it could be useful to confirm that.
21:14:47shotofaddsLambdaCalculus37: nope. the ribbon connector seems to have a dodgy connection, but I can't seem to make it better.
21:15:12nardulI use gentoo, there's not much to it. But in principle...
21:15:17BigBambi....
21:15:39LambdaCalculus37shotofadds: Must've been when I accidentally bumped the ribbon into the front panel when closing it. Sorry. :)
21:15:51scorche|shnardul: it still is a lot of work for a little gain not to mention the disadvantages...really you are going to have to learn how if you want it
21:15:51*GodEater_ doesn't every remember having to "add" Fat support when he ran gentoo
21:15:53GodEater_when did they remove it ?
21:16:13*LambdaCalculus37 remembers FAT support in Gentoo when he ran a LiveCD of it
21:16:15GodEater_and why for gods sake?
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21:16:25GodEater_that's a dumb decision
21:16:33scorche|shcertainly
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21:16:41nardulGodEater_, You add it in the kernel.
21:16:47num1maybe support was bloating the system ;)
21:16:56GodEater_it's a default option in the kernel last time I built in gentoo
21:17:03GodEater_you have to *remove* it if you dont want it
21:17:05GodEater_not the other way round
21:17:49*GodEater_ remembers why he stopped running gentoo
21:17:52nardulWow, bad argument then.
21:17:58rasherBesides, some of our targets won't boot if not running on FAT.
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21:18:27GodEater_nardul: it's a frequent one, we get a little tired of it sometimes =/
21:18:29GodEater_sorry
21:18:38nardulQuite okay.
21:19:35GodEater_there are essentially zero people here willing to implement it
21:19:47GodEater_so if anyone wants it, they're going to *have* to do it themselves
21:19:47nardulI'm just annoyed aswell, fat32 and rsync are giving me problems. Filenames are limited, and char-cases change.
21:19:59nardulGodEater_, If i ever get smart enough, i might.
21:20:03nardulFor funsies.
21:20:12scorche|shnever a time like the present to learn...
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21:23:21nardul*sigh*, a folder can't be called "R", it's translated to "r", "CD1" will be renamed to "cd1". I like nitpicking, but i have a fever.
21:23:21shotofaddslinuxstb: it'd be quite easy to verify that reads are working on the DAX. Write a file with known data to the DAX and write a simple loop in ata_init() to scan the first few bytes of every physical sector for that string. I'll pastebin you some code to do it, if you like.
21:23:32num1okay, so say I'm crazy enough to attempt to port libpng to rockbox, where would I find information on including a codec in the rockbox source code?
21:23:57GodEater_a codec ?
21:24:05GodEater_I'd do it as a plugin first...
21:24:07scorche|shyou mean a plugin/viewer?
21:24:12LambdaCalculus37I imagine so.
21:24:14num1erm, yeah, I meant a viewer
21:24:27scorche|shthere are a few guides in the wiki
21:24:44GodEater_and the code in the jpegviewer would probably be a good starter too
21:24:54num1allright
21:27:46linuxstbshotofadds: Sure, thanks.
21:28:19linuxstbnum1: Also look at the "helloworld.c" plugin, plus plugin.h and all the other plugins.
21:28:44GodEater_nardul: you can specify the mount option shortname=mixed to your fat32 volumes if you want to preserve case
21:29:04GodEater_still won't make the system case sensitive, but the display will be as you want
21:29:26GodEater_allegedly :)
21:29:30*GodEater_ hasn't ever tried it
21:29:49*linuxstb notices the "posix" option, which would seem to allow two files with the same name (only varying in case)
21:29:57nardulGodEater_, You will know in a second!
21:30:28*linuxstb uses it, when he remembers...
21:31:06nardullinuxstb, shortname=posix that is?
21:31:53*GodEater_ wonders what man page linuxstb is reading
21:32:31GodEater_wow
21:32:46GodEater_nardul: no, it's not shortname=posix, it's just posix on it's own
21:32:51MU{lappy}prolly mount. mine has a "posix" option (bare, not shortname=) that claims to do that.
21:32:53*GodEater_ wonders how the hell that works
21:33:33num1GodEater_: magic, and a little bit of smoke and mirrors
21:33:36MU{lappy}prolly this should be in community?
21:33:39linuxstbnardul: No, just "posix"
21:33:47MU{lappy}and i imagine the results aren't nice if you mount on windows
21:33:56GodEater_no, probably not
21:34:58*GodEater_ notes it's not a default option used by ubuntu's hal install
21:35:05GodEater_nor is the shortname one
21:35:28nardulneither in gentoo. Surprise.
21:35:31shotofaddslinuxstb: save a file on your DAX that begins with a unique string eg. "RoCkBoXx" and try something like this: http://www.pastebin.ca/1079814
21:35:37GodEater_although somehow mine is preserving case without it =/
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21:35:39GodEater_go figure
21:35:50shotofaddslinuxstb: should only take a minute or so to run
21:36:01MU{lappy}all of the shortname options preserve case on longnamed files
21:36:06MU{lappy}(afaik)
21:37:28nardullinuxstb, I can't make it work in gconf though. Kernel misconfigured?
21:38:19linuxstbWhat's gconf? I just edit /etc/fstab...
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21:38:42nardullinuxstb, I like just plugging it in and letting HAL take care of it.
21:38:51nardulCan't be bothered to mount -a
21:40:10GodEater_yes, the format for options in gconf and fstab appear to be different
21:40:14GodEater_which is a royal pain in the arse
21:40:36GodEater_for example filemode and dirmode work in fstab, but it's fmask and dmask in gconf
21:40:39GodEater_it's bloody stupid
21:41:27nardulsomeone screwed up then
21:43:28kugellinuxstb: I uploaded the new version of custom list vp if you're interested
21:44:07nardulGodEater_, Any luck finding references on the web?
21:44:13linuxstbshotofadds: Thanks. I can't run it now, but will try later tonight.
21:44:20GodEater_nardul: to what ?
21:44:27nardulGodEater_, gconf and posix.
21:44:36GodEater_I've not been looking
21:44:41nardulokay.
21:46:38nardulshortname=mixed works anyway.
21:47:34itchegany dev with commit access an owner of an Ipod
21:47:42LambdaCalculus37nardul: Okay, off-topic talk is over now.
21:47:58nardulok
21:48:05itchegwas hopping a few simple patches can get commited
21:49:12LambdaCalculus37itcheg: Any dev can commit patches. What have you got?
21:49:35itcheghttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8428?histring=sudoku
21:49:58itchegreally simple might not be the best solution but definitely better than what there is now
21:50:14itcheg(I tested it and it works perfectely)
21:50:55itchegI also test this one - works just fine http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8364?histring=sudoku
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21:55:13itchegthat's the thing quiet simple but if your not an owner of ipod there doesn't seem to be much interest
21:55:36linuxstbThe second one has nothing to do with ipods...
21:56:07itchegtrue
21:56:25linuxstbAnd the first may be applicable to other targets with wheels...
21:56:25itchegfirst is major annoyance second a feature
21:56:39itchegtrue as well
21:56:39linuxstbI'm not annoyed at all by the first though.
21:57:13itchegwell it wont make it worse, will it?
21:57:21num1Wait, there's really a maximum file path size of 260?
21:57:31num1what happens if you have a file path bigger than that?
21:57:52linuxstbitcheg: Well, it prevents the use of SELECT to toggle the numbers. I'm not saying it shouldn't be committed though...
21:57:53itchegcurrenly there are two buttons to increment on the ipod, the select and the right buttons
21:57:59*nardul mutters incoherently about fat.
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22:02:41itchegso linuxstb I take it you have an ipod, what do you think about the fact the now there are two buttons to increment both select and right?
22:03:34linuxstbIt's been a while since I used sudoku on an ipod, but I recall that I normally used select to toggle the number. I would have to try again, and also with that patch.
22:04:37itchegI, see and I guess it's not very high on the priority list... o well
22:05:33linuxstbNo, I'll try and look at them soon - there are a few sudoku patches rotting on the tracker. (I wrote it in the first place)
22:06:28nardulitcheg, I like the patch. If i had a vote i'd agree with you.
22:07:16itcheghenri valta?
22:07:36ImaginalI'm trying to load a wps theme, and my 4g ipod is giving me the no-theme-theme instead. Prepackaged, extracted to the right directory, for my gen ipod. What should i check next to make it work?
22:08:10linuxstbImaginal: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0
22:08:19itcheglinuxstb if your looking at them have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5737?histring=sudoku although it didn't compile for me
22:09:26*linuxstb wonders if bluebrother would want to update that patch and commit it...
22:10:58Imaginallinuxstb: much thanks. Will continue to read
22:11:00*pixelma still thinks the solution to sudoku controls on Ipod is an overall better keymap
22:11:03itchegI tried to look at it but couldn't figure out why it wouldn't merge (not a coder) seems like it dies and trying to allocate so mem to save the extra info
22:11:34linuxstbpixelma: Any suggestions?
22:11:34itchegpixelma I agree with you but this patch doesnt imho make it worse than it is currently
22:13:55pixelmaI once tried to find one, amiconn too and there were two results (which might be the reason I forgot about it)... must be quite long ago, let's see if I can still find it
22:14:11linuxstbIsn't there an official ipod sudoku from Apple? Anyone have any idea how that works?
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22:17:15pixelmafound it. My suggestion was to use the scrollwheel for up and down, prev and next for left and right, select to select and to not remove the "alt toggle" and "toggle back" I put them on button combos with select+prev and select+right
22:18:01pixelmanote: I don't have a scrollwheel target and don't remember testing it
22:19:22*linuxstb reads a review of Apple's sudoku - http://podophile.com/2006/12/26/ipod-game-review-sudoku/
22:19:40*bertrik is doing charge current measurements
22:20:06linuxstbSeems it has two scrollwheel modes - the same as Rockbox, and a "touch" mode where touching the wheel moves the cursor in that direction
22:20:34*petur gets some flyspray errors thrown in his face
22:21:29advcomp2019is the rockbox site not working today?
22:21:57pixelmalinuxstb: two scrollwheel modes in Rockbox?
22:22:31linuxstbNo, I meant to say that "Apple mode #1 is the same as Rockbox"
22:22:59linuxstbi.e. the scrollwheel moves horizontally, wrapping onto the next/prev row
22:23:08pixelmathat was too shortened ;)
22:23:17num1advcomp2019: it works for me, but it's running very slow
22:24:39linuxstbSeems it has two scrollwheel modes: 1) the same as Rockbox, and 2) a "touch" mode where touching the wheel moves the cursor in that direction
22:24:43*linuxstb corrects himself
22:24:53advcomp2019num1, yea, the first time i clicked it said page could not find, but now it is slowly coming up
22:26:25num1Can someone else check the rockbox website and see if it's running slow for them?
22:27:31PaulJamnum1: doesn't load here
22:28:10linuxstbBagder: ping... (www.rockbox.org seems to be on vacation...)
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22:28:57*Bagder checks
22:29:13BigBambinum1: It works but is very slow here
22:29:36advcomp2019yea it is slow here too
22:29:39Bagderload average: 119.06 ...
22:29:45num1that's odd, I have pings at 200ms but the page isn't loading in my browser
22:30:17BigBambiI take that back, it is no longer loading :)
22:30:43num1lol, I probably sent it over by asking you guys to check ;)
22:31:09num1pushed* it over
22:31:11BigBambibut ping is only 80 ms
22:35:10*BigBambi just notices Bagder's last line :P
22:35:27Bagderyeah, load is now down to 22
22:35:46Bagderseems to be responsive now
22:37:50BigBambiyep, back to speedy
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22:38:03num1same here
22:38:40Bagderit bascially took me several minutes to "su" and by then it was fine again...
22:38:57BigBambiodd
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22:41:58Rocketshi
22:42:25Rocketsis there a way to scroll the entrys that are displayed on the Linux bootloader?
22:42:34BigBambiThat is off topic for here
22:42:45Rocketssorry
22:42:54Rocketsbut don't know where to ask else
22:43:00BigBambiStill not here
22:43:05RocketsI'm sure you guys know the answear
22:43:13LloreanNo, we don't.
22:43:14BigBambiThis is a channel for Rockbox support and development only
22:43:21Rocketsbut com on
22:43:26BigBambiStop now
22:43:29LloreanIt's not our software, and we don't provide support for it.
22:43:33Rocketsyou need the bootloader for rockbox
22:43:35LloreanNo
22:43:38BagderRockets: read /topic
22:43:38LloreanWe have our own bootloader.
22:43:41BigBambiThe Rockbox bootloader, yes
22:43:44RocketsOK OK
22:43:48Rocketswait
22:44:01Rocketscan i launch iNES games with the rockbox bootloader?
22:44:08LloreanNo.
22:44:08BagderI did an interesting count on the rockbox.org web logs
22:44:16Rocketscouse thats what I wanna do
22:44:18Bagderthe most busy second this week, we got 199 requests ;-)
22:44:25itcheglinuxstb not to nag, just curious how does this proceed?
22:44:31agaffneywow, my scrollback buffer just exploded
22:44:36LloreanBagder: That's pretty impressive.
22:44:55Bagderyes I think so too
22:44:58num1Bagder: I like the odds, that's cool
22:45:04BigBambiNo there are places selling refurb Sansa's as RB ready :)
22:45:16Bagderbut that was not during this "slow" period
22:45:25BagderI suspected that, but it proved I was wrong
22:45:27BigBambiDamn impressive. How many hits per day (roughly)?
22:45:59BigBambiand s/no/now/ two lines up :)
22:46:22Bagderduring July, 384K hits/day in average
22:46:30BigBambiNot bad at all :)
22:46:40num1Bagder: that's pretty nice
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22:47:16Bagderthis is www.rockbox.org alone
22:48:12ImaginalHow do I get to the wps without a file to play? (theme testing?)
22:48:22num1thats 4.5 per second, which means that busiest second was 4477% above average
22:48:40Bagderhaha
22:48:59BigBambiImaginal: easiest way is to use a sim and just copy a music file (or symlink) to it
22:50:05ImaginalBigBambi: the sim is crashing wine on playback, and I don't have the patience for wine troubleshooting :)
22:50:15BigBambiSo why not use the linux sim?
22:50:27BigBambiInstead of using the win sim with wine?
22:51:13BigBambiI don't think it is available pre-compiled, but it isn't too hard to do and will probably pay off
22:51:39BigBambiSeeing as it is (AFAIK) the only way to view a WPS (except for on target obviously)
22:51:45ImaginalBigBambi: for sure, I just haven't found it yet
22:51:54BigBambiWell, you compile it
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22:55:09Bagder"Some people have had some problems with the ==dir== and ==daily== commands"
22:55:13Bagderdaily?
22:55:29Bagderquote from "SimpleGuideToCompiling"
22:56:40BigBambiit confused me too, but I left it assuming it might be an alias in the VMWare image or something
22:57:05Bagderit probably is something like that, it's still confusing...
22:57:20BigBambiyep
22:57:45BigBambiI don't think commands ought to be hidden like that anyway
22:57:50LloreanNah
22:57:53BagderI agree
22:57:57Lloreanit's not an alias in the vmware image as far as I know.
22:58:01LloreanAt least, it didn't used to be.
22:58:07LloreanIs it maybe something from the old "DevKit" thingy?
22:58:08BigBambiFair enough if *you* set one up to be quick, but in something like this it can only cause issues
22:58:25Bagderit sounds like something from the way way old devkit thing
22:58:29BigBambiLlorean: Could well be
22:58:33Bagderit was packed with such stuff
22:58:47BigBambiI vaguely remember that :) It confused me :)
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23:02:16ImaginalBigBambi: laziness won. Wine will crash at the wps screen, but just long enough to see if the theme is working ^_^
23:04:18BigBambiheh
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23:26:47xnyhpsIs it me or is something wrong with the formatting on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins ?
23:28:44num1yeah, the %code{"cpp"}% tags aren't working
23:29:02num1why in the world does HowToWritePlugins include a section writing a function? aren't we assuming people know how to code in c?
23:29:37num1section about* writing
23:33:27peturit's a wiki....
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23:40:23linuxstbshotofadds: I've just tried that patch - it seems to be doing things...
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23:43:02shotofaddslinuxstb: any particular sort of things?
23:43:43linuxstbFirst line says "bank: 0 pseg: 0xNNN" (NNN counting up very fast)
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23:44:08linuxstbThen "ps:0x60 p:16 s:0", then "T:17(13) LS:0348"
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23:44:34linuxstbNNN stopped at 0x1FF0
23:45:56shotofaddsok, there ox2000 blocks, so it's done the full search
23:46:14shotofadds*there are
23:47:10shotofaddsps:0x60 p:16 s:0 means your string was found at physical segment (block) 0x60, page 16, sector 0
23:47:41shotofaddsLS:0348 is logical segment (block) 0x348 - ie. where your string was in the UMS volume
23:48:10linuxstbHow is the m200 formatted? Is there a partition table?
23:48:14shotofaddsso.. I think we can surmise that raw reads work fine on the DAX
23:48:23shotofaddsmine is FAT16 superfloppy
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23:48:33*linuxstb should enable FAT16 support...
23:48:55*shotofadds points linuxstb to the forum post which says to enable HAVE_FAT16SUPPORT :p
23:49:25linuxstbThe Logik DAX forum thread? ;)
23:49:51shotofaddshmm, good piont
23:50:24linuxstbSeems to work ;)
23:50:41linuxstbI no longer get a mount error.
23:50:43shotofaddsyou probably won't be able to read any files though, I can't.
23:51:03shotofaddsthere seem to be way more translation errors than on the D2, I guess because of the smaller block size
23:52:27shotofaddsbtw. this evening wrote 512Mb of sequential sectors to the D2 UMS volume, and read them all back using the Rockbox driver without _any_ errors. I wonder if the same happens if my writes are a little more random?
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23:53:08days_of_ruinDont shoot me for asking, but is rockbox on the sansa fuze?
23:53:15linuxstbno
23:53:16num1days_of_ruin: no
23:53:28scorche|shdays_of_ruin: the list of what rockbox runs on is on the front page
23:53:33days_of_ruinexpletive
23:53:37num1days_of_ruin: I don't believe anybody's working on it either, sorry
23:54:01*shotofadds will test random writes tomorrow. I need to dash.
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23:54:19linuxstbshotofadds: Goodnight. Thanks for helping me catch up...

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