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#rockbox log for 2008-07-24

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00:11:59num1I'm writing a plugin, and I'm including crc32.h, but I get a linker error saying undefined reference to crc_32 whenever I try to use it.
00:12:25num1I even tried #include "../../../firmware/include/crc32.h" but that didn't work either
00:13:09num1anything obvoius I'm missing?
00:13:25k4y_if it's a linker error then you're missing a library (sounds like crc_32) not a header file
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00:13:41LloreanYou really, really shouldn't be including firmware headers in plugins.
00:14:30num1Llorean: should I copy the crc32.c source into my plugin directory?
00:16:27num1I mean, it works, but it seems like a bad idea to duplicate like that
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00:20:40bluebrotheryou can't simply access functions from the core from plugins −− you need to use the api struct pointer.
00:24:09*num1 adds crc32 to the plugin api
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00:47:52*petur figures the peakmeter trigger code will need more rewriting but it won't be tonight...
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00:51:03rajihammrhey there
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00:52:21rajihammrdoes anyone need a Sansa C250 for research to crack the firmware? ie who's working on it?
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00:52:58bluebrotherrajihammr: check the New Ports forums −− there's a thread about the v2 sansas
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02:30:12Ghostfacei have a problem, i'm trying to install rockbox on my sansa c240 (v1) but the RB utility says "failed to load bootloader" when i try to install it
02:30:53Ghostfacei searched the forums/faqs but couldnt find an answer so im trying here...
02:31:13advcomp2019Ghostface, are you using mtp or msc mode?
02:31:15Ghostface(i'm afraid of screwing up while doing manual install so i'd like to use that as last resort lol
02:31:29Ghostfacemsc
02:31:54Ghostfacelast time i tried installing, the sansaupdater software crashed
02:32:09Ghostfaceso i kinda gave up because i got scared heh
02:33:35advcomp2019it is hard to mess up the sansas
02:34:19Ghostfaceok good :P
02:35:02Ghostfaceany ideas or try manual install?
02:35:37advcomp2019try the manual install
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02:40:05num1Ghostface: I love the sansa because it has so many layesr of protection, even if the bootloader gets corrupted, there's still a way to fix it
02:40:37Ghostfaceye i read in sansafaq how to do reset
02:41:18Ghostfacestill i dont like fiddling around too much tho, so wanted to try utility first ;)
02:42:35Ghostfacewell
02:42:49Ghostfacemanual didnt work either
02:43:09Ghostfaceunzipped the .rockbox dir to root
02:43:22Ghostfaceand ran the sansapatcher
02:43:26Ghostfacesays:
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02:43:48Ghostface[ERR] Failed to decrypt image, aborting
02:43:54Ghostface[ERR] Install Failed
02:44:30Ghostfaceim sure its a v1 player and its in msc mode
02:44:39Ghostfacelatest firmware
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03:03:27lee321987i just installed Firefox 3...can anyone hear me?
03:04:43lee321987motd
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03:22:42Ghostfacefor anyone interested, probably found the solution : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16026.0 => downgrade firmware:p
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04:03:13MarcGuayIs that little Sansa chip in the c100/c200/m200/e200s called a "TriFlash"? "SD Controller"? "HARP Interface"? All of the above?
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04:10:06Capn_FishI have some info you may want to add to your webpage
04:10:33Capn_FishOn my H10 (not UMS, whatever the other one is), I got a "no partitions" error, which I finally solved
04:11:04Capn_FishYou need to make a FAT32 patition (fdisk type c), and then it's recognized fine.
04:15:58Capn_FishOh, then do a "mkfs.vfat /dev/h10deviceandpartition
04:15:59Capn_Fish"
04:16:06Capn_FishHope that helps somebody out
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04:30:38num1MarcGuay: what little sansa chip?
04:31:59MarcGuayThere's a little chip that acts as a SD interface to the memory.
04:32:33MarcGuayI'm trying to search around and have way too many terms to search with, trying to figure out what Sandisk might call it.
04:34:34advcomp2019are you talking about SDC1 chip?
04:34:41MarcGuayadvcomp2019: That's my girl.
04:34:49num1I think it's just called an SDC-1 controller
04:35:22num1there's almost no info on it, except that it provides a switch between the SD and Flash for easier programming
04:35:47num1http://www.diamondpoint.co.uk/manuals/storage/kontron/M_chipDISK_SMI_SFLGM122.pdf chapter 4.1
04:38:06num1so I'd search for "flash controller"
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05:17:52allelefunny thing about my program, if I look up 20 entries in an array using a for loop I get a runtime error, but if I access each entry individually it works fine
05:18:52ReKleSSbugs like that usually mean there's a memory error somewhere
05:20:16allelewell I'm pretty sure it wasn't accessing an out of bounds array, nonetheless, you mean the memory error would be in the plugin's programming, right?
05:20:24ReKleSSyes
05:21:08ReKleSSit usually means you're messing up somewhere else, and replacing your loop makes the bug show up
05:22:04allelealright, just making sure I'm not looking for something that isn't there
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05:28:29alleleoh, and got a 4gig microsd for my sansa e280r, works fantastic thanks to rockbox. now its just a matter of time until the 16 gig is released
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05:45:28num1allele: I think the biggest card suported by the sansa e280 hardware is 8gig
05:46:11scorcheit is anything SDHC...and he left
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06:03:32lee321987hey Rockboxers. I just installed Firefox 3...can anyone hear me?
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06:07:49num1that's the second time he hasn't waited long enough...
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06:15:24lee321987hello
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06:15:48scorche......
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06:17:12lee321987hello?
06:17:50safetydanYes?
06:17:53advcomp2019lee321987, hello
06:18:21lee321987just re-registered with Nickserv −− just making sure you can see me
06:18:40scorchelee321987: we have logs of the channel for that sort of thing
06:19:01lee321987Anyone using a MicroSDHC with a Sansa c200?
06:19:19scorchelots are...if you have a specific question, it is better to simply ask that
06:19:44lee321987sorry
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06:23:37lee321987is there a code to underline text here?
06:25:20num1lee321987: I don't see a need for on
06:25:30num1s/on/one
06:25:39lee321987ok. I'll use caps...
06:27:08lee321987on the Sansa c200's, when enabling mass storage −−−− does the "2 bytes inserted" bug happen when copying from the player to the computer, or only when writing to the player?
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06:32:28lee321987[/u]underline[/u]
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06:33:11lee321987thanks guys
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06:33:22scorchelee321987: this isnt your test channel...what bu....ugh
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08:43:06GodEatercan someone remind me, is "USE_ROCKBOX_USB" the only extra define I need in an ipodvideo build, or was there another one too ?
08:43:50linuxstbGodEater: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb
08:44:14GodEaterah thanks :)
08:44:21GodEaterI knew it was in the wiki somewhere
08:45:07GodEaterUSE_HIGH_SPEED, that was the one I vaguely remembered and had forgotten
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09:57:52peturbah, what a waste of energy. Somebody's fixing up the REP, and I'm very busy making all that work useless by changing the rec screen code :/
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10:13:40*amiconn wonders in what way the REP enhances recordings ;)
10:16:20peturnonono
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10:16:47peturit is 'recorder enhancement pack', it is for the person doing the recording ;)
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10:17:21amiconnpetur: So it even enhances persons? o.O
10:18:05peturyup
10:18:19peturthat's why we need it
10:20:10amiconnIt may also just refer to the Archos Recorder ...
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10:37:29*linuxstb already gets enough emails offering to enhance him
10:37:55peturso a lot of people think it is needed? :p
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12:58:46webguest50i got a gigabeat f40 with rockbox installed any reason why it wont show up on windows media player?
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13:03:25webguest03i have rockbox insttaled on a gigabeat f40 any reason why wmp wont pick it up?
13:06:04peturwebguest03: seems there is nobody with a gigabeat around atm. Maybe you need to boot into the original firmware for USB connectivity?
13:06:59PaulJamhas the gigabeat even dualboot?
13:07:09peturI wouldn't know
13:11:30pixelmaas far as I know, it does not
13:12:40peturindeed - just read it in the manual
13:13:53peturso, it should be a matter of just attaching it to usb
13:14:17peturwebguest03: does it show up as a removable drive in windows explorer?
13:14:22webguest03its just that wmp already has all my playlists (my music is scatered all over my hardrive) if i didnt use wmp id have to go find each song and copy and paste
13:14:32webguest03yes shows up in windows explorer
13:14:49peturso it's a wmp issue
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13:16:08PaulJamit could be that WMP only works with MTP devices.
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13:24:43amiconnlinuxstb: ping
13:24:53linuxstbamiconn: Hello
13:25:13amiconnCould you perhaps run test_fps.rock on your color, and tell me the values?
13:25:44amiconnI just want to know whether there's a speed difference between type 0 and type 1
13:25:59*amiconn is going to edit LcdFrameRate with his values
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13:26:18linuxstbSure, I'll update LcdFrameRate as well. But I think I'll need to charge it for a while first.
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13:29:49linuxstbpetur, pixelma: No, there is no dual-boot on the F. The S does though. There's not much point, as the OF on the F won't play regular audio files - it encrypts all music transferred to it (as ".sat" files)
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13:33:20amiconnlinuxstb: You can then remove your old results from the bottom table
13:33:58linuxstbDid you look to see what OF version your Photo has?
13:34:43amiconn1.2.1
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13:46:46linuxstb@30MHz - 19.3fps and 75.6fps for RGB, and 13.4fps/53.2fps for YUV
13:48:06amiconnSo the OF setup for type 1 is indeed slower than for type 0
13:48:10linuxstb@80MHz - 51.7fps and 202.5fps for RGB, and 36.0fps/142.5fps for YUV
13:48:59amiconnDoesn't affect yuv speed though, probably because that's still slow C (iirc)
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14:03:40cpachhi all! i'm thinking about getting a dap with rockbox support. any recommendations? > 20 Gb HDD preferably
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14:04:10cpachi will probably buy from some swedish store and many of the supported models seems to be out of stock
14:05:42linuxstbProbably all the supported models are out of stock...
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14:07:57cpachlinuxstb: yeah that seems to be the case...
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14:12:41linuxstbcpach: Are you interested in FM radio or recording? Is a colour screen important? Would you like S/PDIF I/O ?
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14:36:07cpachlinuxstb: recording: no. colour screen: preferably. s/pdif: no.
14:36:42linuxstbRadio?
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14:55:55cpachlinuxstb: radio? no
14:56:30LambdaCalculus37cpach: Gigabeat F40.
14:56:58*GodEater would also recommend the gigabeat
14:56:59linuxstbcpach: Then I would say the Gigabeat F40 (from ebay). Other (also good) options would be the iaudio X5/X5V or iriver h340 - they have radios.
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14:57:36linuxstbThe F40 has a large colour screen and a very fast CPU, so Rockbox works well on it, including good video playback.
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14:57:59GodEaterfor pure music playback, I think the Gigabeat is the flagship DAP for Rockbox
14:58:38cpachokey, thanks for the recommendation!
14:59:11LambdaCalculus37cpach: Gigabeat F's tend to pop up on eBay often, so check it out.
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15:02:21tonsOfSparkshey, everybody. I think I have an idea on how to make entering text on rockbox easier and more predictable. Who do i tell it to and how?
15:03:00tonsOfSparksmy other problem is the I don't think I know nearly enough C to implement it myself.
15:03:17PaulJammaybe the "feature ideas" section in the forums would be appropriate.
15:03:33tonsOfSparkstrue, thanks.
15:03:51tonsOfSparksi knew i wasnt the only one awate at 8 in the morning...
15:03:55LambdaCalculus37tonsOfSparks: And better keep practicing your C skills. ;)
15:05:22tonsOfSparkslol. it's the summer, it's not like i have anything beter to do.... C, Calculus and Chemistry... so i don't have it all THat hard freshman year in college...
15:05:32tonsOfSparkslol the three c's
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15:10:24LambdaCalculus37Have you at least been keeping up your C skills by studying Rockbox's source code?
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15:29:11*amiconn wonders what makes GodEater call the gigabeat the flagship dap for music playback
15:29:52LambdaCalculus37amiconn: It can handle most any codec you throw at it.
15:30:23linuxstbApart from high-levels of APE, what do the Coldfire targets struggle on?
15:30:37amiconnMaybe, but then e.g. the H1x0 is more flexible regarding outputs
15:31:11LloreanThe Gigabeat doesn't have the hiss the H1x0 does on low impedance phones (at least that I've noticed)
15:31:20LloreanWhich means it sounds much better if you like very low volumes.
15:32:03amiconnI don't know what makes the his appear or disappear. I can't notice it with my current earphones
15:32:28linuxstbIMO, it's impossible to call any single player a "flagship", when the hardware is so different.
15:32:45amiconnI did notice though that the wolfson codecs don't like low impedance phones though. Almost no bass on 16 ohms
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15:33:22LloreanOn my 16 ohm phones on the H100 I can hear quite a hiss as I get within about 10-15 db of minimum volume.
15:33:41amiconnMy current phones are 75 ohms
15:33:48amiconnErr, 64 ohms
15:33:50LambdaCalculus37Mine are 32 ohms.
15:34:19LambdaCalculus37I hear no hiss but lots of nice bass on my Gigabeast.
15:34:20LloreanMy day-to-day ones are 32 and open.
15:34:39LloreanAnd I can't hear the hiss at all with them.
15:34:55*amiconn thinks it all depends on what properties you value most
15:35:26LloreanProbably very true
15:35:27amiconnNo clear flagship, as linuxstb said
15:35:58LloreanI think though, the Gigabeat can be considered a flagship for another reason: It's easy to come by, cheap, and is capable of supporting all playback functions of Rockbox.
15:36:18LloreanBut it depends on definition of "flagship" really
15:36:27amiconnNot so easy to get in europe
15:36:33linuxstbMaybe something like "best buy for audio playback"...
15:36:47amiconnSeems like the Fs wre mostly sold in the US, and the Xs in japan
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15:37:07LloreanObviously then, we need to port to something widely available everywhere.
15:37:14LambdaCalculus37amiconn: The X was also sold Down Under.
15:37:18amiconnIt's way easier to find iaudios or ipods here than gigabeats
15:37:43linuxstbAt least in real shops, I haven't seen any iaudios in the UK.
15:38:27amiconnlinuxstb: pixelma bought her M5 from the UK ... about the only place which sold M5s at that time...
15:38:34linuxstbApart from Apple, Sony and Samsung seem the main brands available (plus low-cost no-name flash players)
15:38:43amiconnM5L, to be precise
15:38:43linuxstbamiconn: That wasn't a real shop though?
15:38:57amiconnNo, an ebay shop
15:46:48tonsOfSparks"(8:10:29 AM) LambdaCalculus37: Have you at least been keeping up your C skills by studying Rockbox's source code?" Sorry, I don't think I have any C skills yet. I'm gonna be a freshman in college next year and have recieved no formal programming education yet, although, I have been dabbling in Java, and can write some simple but useful code in that. As far as C goes, the command line unit converter is about the apex of my "mad
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15:59:25tonsOfSparks"(8:13:18 AM) ***linuxstb points tonsOfSparks to http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/" OOOH! I JUST NOW GOT THAT! sorry, sometimes i forget to think on a global scale. oops.
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16:00:15*LambdaCalculus37 points tonsOfSparks in the direction of our global scale... it's over there in the corner
16:01:47tonsOfSparksoh, i think i see it! but i can't quite reach it from Texas. N-O-O-O-O-O-O-O!
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16:14:31tonsOfSparksokay, here's my big, revolutionary idea: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17885.0
16:14:32tonsOfSparksplease loot at it and tell me what u think.
16:14:55*tonsOfSparks replaces loot with looK
16:15:08tonsOfSparks:-/
16:16:13desowinwhat target did you have in mind when creating this?
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16:16:18desowinhow this would work on others?
16:17:44tonsOfSparksi had the sansa c200 in mind, but it could realtively easily be adapted...o h wait.. nooooo. the iPod has less buttons. huh.. I would have to think about that.
16:18:23tonsOfSparksi'm sure it can be made to work on most other MP3 players
16:18:39desowinit could work fine on ipod, I think, as you could scrollwheen to scroll "back-n-fourth" the "current letters"
16:18:52sacarascis there a good howto/doc for updating themes?
16:19:23LloreantonsOfSparks: Remember, our current keyboard supports other languages with very different numbers of letters as well.
16:20:06*Nico_P wrote an experimental text entry plugin for the ipod, where the letters are arranged in a circle
16:21:45tonsOfSparksdesowin: thanks for pointing that out. it's just one option. all i'm saying is that the current entry method can and needs to be improved.
16:21:59tonsOfSparksNico_P, you are a genius
16:22:18*tonsOfSparks wished i had an iPod so I could try it out.
16:22:47Nico_Phehe, thanks :)
16:23:02Nico_Pit's not that practical, but it's quite fun
16:23:06LambdaCalculus37tonsOfSparks: Woot is selling iPod videos now. Go get one. :)
16:23:57tonsOfSparksLlorean: how about "long down" for a palette of accented letters.. or cyrillic whan it's supported ;-)
16:24:32rvvs89LambdaCalculus37: <3 Thanks for pointing that out
16:24:51LloreantonsOfSparks: Cyrillic is supported.
16:24:59tonsOfSparksNico_p: how about setting the "arrow buttons" to jump to commonly used locations on the wheel. would that make it more practical?
16:25:21tonsOfSparksLlorean: nice. I didn't know that. how do u get to it?
16:25:55LloreantonsOfSparks: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LoadableKeyboardLayouts
16:26:06LloreanAll unicode characters are valid.
16:26:21Nico_PtonsOfSparks: you can actually get to any point of the circle by touching the wheel at the corresponding place. the display and the wheel are always "in sync"
16:26:52tonsOfSparks"LambdaCalculus37: tonsOfSparks: Woot is selling iPod videos now. Go get one. :)" I'm on a budget, and I just got my sansa like a week ago, but an Ipod is definately an option for later.
16:27:22rvvs89Ack! US shipping only
16:28:02*tonsOfSparks begs Nico_P to post that on the forum thread I just started: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17885.0
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16:29:37tonsOfSparksthanks for that link, Llorean
16:29:44LambdaCalculus37tonsOfSparks: You don't have to keep quoting the entire line I typed in. If you're responding, just direct it to me and I'll see your response.
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16:30:08Nico_PtonsOfSparks: it'll have to wait till this evening, I'm at work
16:32:56pixelmanot even all Ipods have such a wheel though
16:33:17pixelmawhere you can get the current position
16:34:33Nico_Pyes, it's quite specific, and it was mainly an experiment
16:35:54Nico_PtonsOfSparks: reading the rockbox source is a good way of learning C... that's how I did.
16:36:48Nico_Pcombine with reading a book and you should quickly be able to make small hacks, then bigger ones, etc...
16:37:00*amiconn also had an idea for making the vkeyboard better adapt varying font sizes *and* need less buttons
16:37:13Nico_Pit's also very useful to have an editor that helps you navigate through code
16:37:22xqtftqxI agree with amiconn
16:37:36tonsOfSparks LambdaCalculus37: point taken. the noobometer reading for me has just dropped my 2 points
16:37:39amiconnI'd just make the picker area a single pane no matter how large it is relative to the display
16:37:52Nico_Pxqtftqx: he hasn't said his idea yet
16:38:11amiconnThen you can just go left / right / up / down and pick. No need for flipping through screens
16:38:18xqtftqx"amiconn: also had an idea for making the vkeyboard better adapt varying font sizes *and* need less buttons"
16:38:27xqtftqxthats what he said
16:38:29tonsOfSparksthanks, Nico_P I'll definately try that, and summer is a great time to do it.
16:38:54linuxstbxqtftqx: What did you mean yesterday with "adding xbox 360 support to Rockbox" ?
16:39:13amiconnThe position of the visible area relative to the whole picker would be indicated using "scroll" bars, and the cursor would stay in the centre of the display as long as possible
16:39:46xqtftqxDo you know how you can plug in a mp3 player to a xbox 360 and play music though the tv? i tried with rockbox and it was a fail, so i was wondering if anybody wants to help implement that feature
16:39:50amiconnThis would at the same time allow nearly arbitrary loadable layouts
16:39:51peturhow about voice recognition ;)
16:39:56Lloreanamiconn: So, "move the text field" rather than "move the picker"?
16:40:04amiconnLlorean: Move both
16:40:15LloreanWell, you dont *have* to move the picker ever, if you want to keep it simple
16:40:24amiconnThat is, picker stays in the centre as long as the field can move, then picker starts moving
16:40:28LloreanThere's no reason the edge of the text field can't be within the screen, rather than at the edge of the screen.
16:40:29*tonsOfSparks asks amicon to post that on the forum thread
16:40:44tonsOfSparkspetur: lol, good luck programming for that
16:40:49xqtftqxWhy not have it the way it is in the OF of the ipod? One line of letters, and you go though them
16:40:56amiconnLlorean: There is at least one reason: showing as much of the area as possible all the time
16:40:57Lloreanxqtftqx: As far as I know, the XBox 360 can work with Rockbox targets. I've watched videos off my Gigabeat.
16:41:11xqtftqxon the xbox?
16:41:13LloreanYes.
16:41:25LloreanThe XBox 360 is happy with media on UMS devices.
16:41:35linuxstbxqtftqx: What device are you running Rockbox on?
16:41:41xqtftqxGigabeat S
16:42:24xqtftqxI connect it and it gives me "No Videos, No Music, No Pictures Found"
16:43:04*Llorean just played music from his Gigabeat F
16:43:05linuxstbThat sounds like a question for an xbox support forum - your S is just an external hard disk (although it has two partitions - maybe that's the issue)...
16:43:17xqtftqxmaybe
16:43:49xqtftqxit probly is, somebody needs to hide the firmware partion on the S, it just confuses people and can mess up a player
16:44:21xqtftqxYep, thats the problem. i put a mp3 on the firmware partion and it found it
16:44:43linuxstbYes, I expect we probably will. But there are more important things to fix first, and only one person working on the port (I think)
16:44:49amiconnDoes the S still boot if you change the partition type?
16:45:14xqtftqxnot the "type" but make rockbox not mount it when you plug in the drive
16:45:15Lloreanlinuxstb: As well, keeping it visible right now makes it much easier to update the bootloader, etc.
16:45:37xqtftqxwe chould add a setting in the system menu to enable/disable it?
16:46:05amiconnI'd just change the partition type of the firmware partition to the appropriate hidden fat variant
16:46:19xqtftqxbut then its hard to update the bootloader
16:46:22linuxstbamiconn: I'm pretty sure I tried that, and it didn't boot. But I can't recall for sure.
16:46:31xqtftqxwithout erasing data
16:46:50xqtftqxi can go edit it to not mount it on usb cable insert
16:47:37amiconnWell, rockbox usb could hide it dynamically (just translating sector 0 on read)
16:47:59linuxstbYes, I think jsMikeS may even have started work on doing that.
16:48:20xqtftqxdont you think not mounting it whould be easier, chould remount for firmware update
16:48:31amiconnDoes rockbox usb work on the beast? I don't remember...
16:48:34Nico_Pwhere is jhMikeS these days btw?
16:48:37Lloreanamiconn: Yes, quite well
16:49:14xqtftqxNico_P: Im not sure, havent seen him around
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16:51:17linuxstbxqtftqx: If a user is capable of configuring their OS to not mount it, then they're not going to be confused by it. It's all the other users we worry about (and users who can't change the host OS's behaviour - e.g. you with your xbox)
16:51:46amiconnDoes the beast have bootloader usb?
16:51:57amiconn(i.e. rockbox usb in the bootloader)
16:52:03xqtftqxyes
16:52:11amiconnSo we won't even need a setting..
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16:52:17xqtftqxHmmmm
16:52:25xqtftqxSo when you insert in bootloader mode
16:52:27xqtftqxit shows firmware
16:52:33xqtftqxand when in normal interface
16:52:38amiconnMake main rockbox usb hide the firmware partition, and bootloader usb pass it as-is
16:52:42xqtftqxno firmware? im a little confused
16:52:48LloreanI'm opposed to bootloader USB starting by default, btw.
16:52:54linuxstbamiconn: I thought about that - but that could be confusing as well (different devices appearing depending on whether you plug USB with the device turned on or off)
16:53:01LloreanI think the mode should be there, but should happen when a button is held down.
16:53:08xqtftqxgood point
16:53:10LloreanTo make "Car Adapter" mode more reliable with USB charging devices.
16:53:27linuxstbLlorean: I agree, a setting is too clumsy
16:53:31massiveHLlorean, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17202.0
16:53:37Lloreanlinuxstb: If it required bootloader USB, which required a button held down, then you'd almost never see it by accident.
16:53:43amiconnCar adapter mode needs quite some thought on most targets....
16:53:56LloreanmassiveH: I don't have an H300.
16:53:56xqtftqxLlorean: Maybe 2 buttons?
16:54:10massiveHLlorean, the idea is the same, and can be applied to any target
16:54:15linuxstbLlorean: Why does bootloader usb require a button to be held? Or are you suggesting that it should?
16:54:18Lloreanxqtftqx: Unnecessary and makes it hard for people to do it intentionally.
16:54:26Lloreanlinuxstb: Suggesting it should (on all targets)
16:54:28amiconnBtw, I'm not talking about some fancy device translation. Just hide the firmware partition by changing a single byte in the mbr on the fly
16:54:37linuxstbIsn't the issue the mis-detection of a PC-connection and a USB-charger-connection?
16:54:41Lloreanlinuxstb: Bootloader USB mode is, to me, a "recovery mode" if Rockbox USB isn't available.
16:55:03amiconnThis way e.g. rbutil (or a knowledgeable user) could still access the firmware partition even if it's hidden
16:55:05Lloreanlinuxstb: In some cases car chargers will be mis-detected because they're poorly designed. Or because they're a USB hub charging a phone and other things too.
16:55:31xqtftqxSame, but some times i connect to bootloader mode because its more convient, aka im booting up the device and i plug in the cable at any time and dont have to insert it later
16:56:08Lloreanxqtftqx: It wouldn't decrease convenience. If you don't have Car Adatper mode enabled, you'll still end up in USB if you plug it in early, just not bootloader USB.
16:56:49LloreanmassiveH: As far as I know, no other bootloader on a swcodec target *has* a charging screen.
16:57:21massiveHLlorean, well, I only have the h300 to test on, so I have no idea what the bootloader looks like on other targets
16:58:01massiveHLlorean, that thread applies the idea that USB Bootloader is only entered when (on the H300) "MODE" button is held down
16:58:28xqtftqxThat chould realy help with the S as well
16:59:26xqtftqxLooking, at this, it chould be ported easily
16:59:53Lloreanxqtftqx: Do you mean "should" or "could" with that word? I've seen it more than once from you now.
16:59:55massiveHthere are only a few changes to the bootloader code, it only reapplies the method of entering the "Original Firmware"
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17:00:30massiveHbut, not having a debugger unit for my H300, I was crossing my fingers when I reflahsed it, but it works perfectly fine
17:00:37xqtftqxLlorean: It chould and it should
17:00:40massiveH(there is a link to the patch in that thread)
17:00:46xqtftqxYeah
17:00:48Lloreanxqtftqx: "could", there is no "h" in the word.
17:01:06xqtftqxsorry
17:01:22xqtftqxhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9202
17:01:51massiveHyeah, that is the patch I created, and it should be portable to other targts, but not having one, I have no way to test
17:02:17xqtftqxWe need a sim for bootloaders
17:02:27LambdaCalculus37Speaking of patches, I draw attention once again to FS #9199.
17:02:34Lloreanxqtftqx: It wouldn't make any sense.
17:03:07massiveHxqtftqx, you would have to emulate the exact hardware in a player, not a real easy thing to do
17:03:13xqtftqxI guess
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17:03:38massiveHit's pretty much easier to just get a debugger if all goes to hell with a flash
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17:04:30xqtftqxLambdaCalculus37: That should be commited, whould help spanish users
17:05:01LambdaCalculus37xqtftqx: It's just a few of the missing strings in the translation.
17:05:36xqtftqxAnd, It should help
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17:06:26moosLambdaCalculus37: Hi, the other day I said you that I'll look at it...very busy those days sorry, I'll take a look *now* :) and commit it
17:06:52LambdaCalculus37moos: Okay.
17:07:05PaulJamLambdaCalculus37: some of the strings aren't translated at all and for some the voice string is still the english one.
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17:07:55LambdaCalculus37PaulJam: Yes, I know that. I was doing it from rasher's translation page, and I had to stop the translation because the boss was around.
17:08:34LambdaCalculus37So I just generated a patch of what I had and put it up. I'll be getting the voice strings done when I have a little time.
17:08:40moosdo you want to update it first?
17:08:50moosokay
17:11:05moosI wanted to precise in the comit message that the voice part will come later, but just rasher commited...
17:11:14moosinvert last words :)
17:11:56rasherOoops, a bit trigger happy there
17:12:51xqtftqxIs there any minor things that need worked on in the gigabeat? ive got some time today
17:13:13xqtftqxgigabeat s*
17:14:11LambdaCalculus37xqtftqx: Wanna look at the FM radio and TV out?
17:14:16moosrasher: do you keep the task open until future voice update or?
17:14:31xqtftqxTV out may be hard
17:14:33rashermoos: hah, I just closed it, I guess I could re-open
17:14:44moosno problem
17:15:09xqtftqxjust because i dont work with that stuff, i probly chould make it disable something on the screen just like "Hello World" or something
17:15:17moosI guess LambdaCalculus37 could create a new task for it
17:15:30rasherLambdaCalculus37: if you want it re-opened, ping me. Or bother someone else if you fix the last issues and don't want to open a tracker entry
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17:15:39xqtftqxWhat task?
17:15:45LambdaCalculus37rasher: Roger!
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17:19:36moosis this Silicon Labs Si4700 FM chip used for any other target than the beast? canot remenber any...
17:20:40BensawsomeOMG!
17:21:02xqtftqxmoos: I dont think so
17:21:24LambdaCalculus37I haven't seen it anywhere else, either.
17:21:52LambdaCalculus37And the related link in GigabeatSInfo is dead.
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17:22:39xqtftqxhttp://octopart.com/info/Silicon+Laboratories/SI4700-B-EVB
17:23:48toffe82datasheet of the SI4700 are under NDA
17:24:34xqtftqxDang
17:24:50toffe82but if you ask the good person you can get them ;)
17:25:05mooshttp://www.datasheet4u.com/html/S/I/4/SI4700_SiliconLaboratories.pdf.html
17:25:13xqtftqxHmmmm, fmradio.exe in the extracted nk.bin may help us out
17:25:36*moos was editing the wiki page
17:26:03xqtftqxmoos: Thats a lot of info there
17:26:32moosdatasheet that is :)
17:26:35toffe82moos: this datasheet doesn't help so much, we have more interesting stuff
17:26:53xqtftqxanybody know the svn commit where the plugins where edited to work with the gigabeat?
17:27:15moosSalut, nice,does jhMikes have them?
17:27:39toffe82yes , me too :)
17:28:30xqtftqx*cough*share them*cough*
17:28:42moosnever tried to dig on yet? Mikes seems to be buse with RL those weeks...
17:28:49moosbusy
17:29:17LambdaCalculus37Wasn't he also working on power management for the S?
17:29:50moosyup he had it almost working IIRC before he desapeared :(
17:30:36*LambdaCalculus37 wonders if JhMikeS' girlfriend had something to do with it ;)
17:30:59LambdaCalculus37As in "relationship commitment".
17:31:41xqtftqxAnybody know his email?
17:32:11mooslet just hopes for him that all goes well (sorry for off topic)
17:32:17LambdaCalculus37xqtftqx: I do. PM
17:32:28xqtftqxSend him a email
17:32:34mooshis email like most of our are in wiki...
17:36:11LambdaCalculus37moos: I just sent him an email.
17:38:16mooshe seems to folow the rockbox tracker, then I guess he will answer you very soon...
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17:39:38xqtftqxtoffe82: Do you have there devolpment Gui?
17:41:06toffe82xqtftqx: no
17:41:37xqtftqxIll see if i can find it
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17:44:41xqtftqxHmmm, this chip has signal strength meter in it. That chould be implemented into rockbox
17:47:57*LambdaCalculus37 reads the datasheet for the SI4700
17:50:04LambdaCalculus37The Si4701 has symbol decoding, block synchronization, error detection, and error correction functions, as well.
17:50:19LambdaCalculus37Heh... it can even display station identification and song information. :)
17:51:07peturRDS?
17:51:13LambdaCalculus37Yes.
17:51:21peturnice
17:51:21LambdaCalculus37And RBDS as well.
17:52:04xqtftqxThats Wicked, you wonder why they didnt include that in the toshiba firmware
17:52:20xqtftqxWhats RBDS?
17:52:26LambdaCalculus37xqtftqx: Because Toshiba didn't use the Si4701. They used the 4700.
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17:53:19xqtftqxDoesnt that mean we cant get RDS?
17:53:42LambdaCalculus37Sadly, no RDS for us. :(
17:53:59xqtftqx:( We can have seek though
17:54:01peturoh
17:54:05LambdaCalculus37Unless we ever get a target that happens to use the Si4701.
17:54:18xqtftqxprobly not
17:55:50xqtftqxDoes the Si4700 use the ground wire for the attena?
17:58:00LambdaCalculus37No, not that I can see from the datasheet.
17:58:18xqtftqxwhat wire does it use?
17:59:04amiconnThat's something the external wiring implements... not the chip itself
17:59:18xqtftqxhmmm
17:59:26xqtftqxposibly input in via the chip?
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18:01:08amiconnThe chip just has an input for the antenna. How the antenna is actually implemented (dedicated or sharing the headphone wire) is up to the circuit designer
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18:01:37xqtftqxOk
18:04:25toffe82check the block diagram
18:04:46xqtftqxok...
18:04:47toffe82I think it use the ground from the headphones cable
18:04:57xqtftqxdang
18:07:09xqtftqxIs MaurusCuelenaere in here?
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18:07:54LambdaCalculus37He's still on holiday, I believe.
18:08:16xqtftqxOk
18:08:19amiconnCan you spot him?
18:08:26*amiconn points xqtftqx towards http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks
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19:08:26xqtftqxOK, ive got a idea
19:08:41xqtftqxwhat about porting new devolper platforms to rockbox?
19:13:02desowinwhat do you mean by developer platform?
19:14:12xqtftqxPlatforms, WHere code can from, Such as java.
19:15:41xqtftqxAllowing new ways to code for rockbox, example: somebody wants to code for rockbox, they know java, but not C. This whould allow them to write apps for rockbox without new coding knowledge
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19:17:29amiconnThat wouldn't be a development platform, but rather a java vm for rockbox
19:17:54xqtftqxOk, but image it
19:17:55amiconnAnd java makes oooh so much sense on an embedded platform like those rockbox runs on</sarcasm>
19:18:33amiconnReally, if someone understands the principles of programming, just another language isn't really difficult
19:18:43xqtftqxI guess so...
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19:20:46xqtftqxBTW, has anybody worked on the scumm vm port?
19:20:47bestwcHum...
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19:21:48bestwchas karma-port already dead?
19:21:56xqtftqxkarma-port?
19:22:07bestwcrio kar
19:22:23bestwchttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RioKarmaPort
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19:24:43xqtftqxoh its a DAP
19:27:41LambdaCalculus37No, the Karma port is stalled.
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19:28:16LambdaCalculus37That's because I haven't got much time to work on it these days, plus I have never been able to find the eCos source code from the Karma.
19:34:47LambdaCalculus37I also would like to have an extra Karma as well.
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20:08:12tictactatichi there, i have a silly question (but haven't been able to find an answer anywhere)
20:08:19tictactatici have iaudio x5
20:08:58tictactaticand am trying to record.... everything seems fine, but i can't find the recorded file anywhere
20:09:20tictactaticrockbox version r18117
20:11:02linuxstbThe recording folder is configurable - I think the default is the root (top-level folder) of the disk.
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20:18:00tictactaticlinuxstb: i'm looking in the root directory, but i can't find it :(
20:18:10tictactatichow can you configure it?
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20:19:14xqtftqxtictactatic: Make a new folder
20:19:15linuxstbI think it's in the file browser "context menu" - long press on "select" when you have a folder highlighted in the file browser
20:19:27LambdaCalculus37Create a folder for your recordings, then enter the context menu and select "Set as recording directory".
20:19:47tictactaticthank you
20:19:51tictactaticwill try immediately
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20:22:49tictactaticit worked, thanks
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20:38:51tictactaticI have another question: is there a place where the recording function is described in detail? All I see is in the manual is Recording Settings.
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21:45:22jfm3Hello #rockbox. Subjective question: what device that I can buy new today would be best to (most important) run and (secondary importance) develop Rockbox on?
21:45:41BigBambiDepends what you want
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21:45:54BigBambiHave a look at www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide
21:45:56Radikllhey
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21:46:50Radiklli need some help with iboy
21:46:56BigBambiioy is ipodlinux
21:46:59jfm3BigBambi: Okay thanks that helps. Looks like none of the supported devices are in production.
21:46:59BigBambi*iboy
21:47:01Radiklloh
21:47:07Radiklllol
21:47:13BigBambijfm3: Sadly not, although others are in development
21:47:22Radikllthanks
21:48:04Radiklldoes ipod linux work well on 5G ipods?
21:48:14BigBambiI don't know, and that is off-topic for here
21:48:22Radikllok
21:48:28Radiklli'll google it
21:48:33BigBambiRockbox also has a gameboy emulator - Rockboy
21:48:51Radikllyea but it's really slow for me
21:49:45Radikllis there a way to make rockboy work faster?
21:49:57BigBambiYep, improve the code
21:50:33Radikllummm... i dont know if i can do that
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22:02:06Radikllcan you play music while playing gameboy games?
22:02:26Strife89No.
22:06:15RadikllCan I make recording on my 5G iPod?
22:07:15Strife89I don't know for sure. The answer is sure to be in the manual or the Wiki. (or someone else's head :p)
22:07:22Strife89My guess is: No.
22:08:05Radikll:'(
22:08:20Radiklli'll check the manual
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22:09:44RadikllI tried making a recording, but when I played it back all I got was a buzzing sound
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22:10:21Strife89Well, that would make sense, unless you added a supported microphone. ;)
22:11:36BigBambiI believe the 5th gen does recording via a dock connector
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22:14:50RadikllThe manual doesn't tell me how to make a recording, but it tells me what all the setting do xD
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22:15:17Strife89What about the Wiki?
22:15:26webguest22Hello
22:15:29Strife89..... What the hey, I'll check.
22:15:35webguest22quick question re rockbox!
22:15:38Strife89webguest: hello :)
22:15:48webguest22sory to interupt
22:15:53webguest22hi
22:16:38webguest39hi.. i'm new to rockbox. just put it in my sansa e280 (version 1). I have a problem with FM presets - I add a preset file with my presets, but anything over 99.9 does not work
22:16:44webguest22Just wanted to ask if you think it is worth it to upgrad my Sanasa e200 to rockbox?
22:17:30webguest39Hi WG22... I just did today.... seems pretty good so far, i'm still getting used to the navigation.
22:17:38webguest22do you find it a lot better then what sansa has on the Sansa player?
22:17:42Strife89YES
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22:17:51webguest39I never even tried the sansa stuff
22:18:01Strife89Trust me, it'
22:18:08Strife89it's better. :)
22:18:19webguest39i AM having a problem with FM presets, tho
22:18:30Strife89Check the scan mode.
22:18:32webguest22in what ways? I have read the docs etc. but just want to ask before I do it
22:18:39Strife89−−−−Region mode___
22:19:03webguest39it does not seem to accept anything over 99.9... but i just signed on here 1 minute ago.
22:19:18webguest39i will try the region mode, etc. - thanks strife89
22:19:40rasherDoes the radio have a default region?
22:19:51Strife89Europe, I think.
22:20:04Strife89I had to set it to US, at any rate.
22:20:41webguest39ok.. i think i have it set to us/canada
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22:20:49webguest39lemme check it out
22:21:15Strife89Try a Scan For Presets if it fails.
22:22:36webguest39it doesn't 'fail'... just doesn't seem to know what to do with a channel over 99900000
22:22:49webguest39goes to lowest channel 870000
22:23:28*Strife89 shrugs helplessly.
22:23:38*Strife89 owns a Sansa c250.
22:24:21webguest39trying the scan thing
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22:25:11Strife89Radilll: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-06/0042.shtml
22:25:34Strife89Correction: Radikll: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-06/0042.shtml
22:26:10Radiklloh thanks :D
22:26:14webguest39well, scan does pick up the stations (plus a lot more that barely come in). I'll try saving that one and see what it look like
22:26:32Strife89webguest39: Good to hear. :)
22:29:30RadikllHow can I update Rockbox when a new version comes out?
22:29:58BigBambiunzip a new build, or use rbutil
22:30:12BigBambiI'm pretty sure this is in the manual - have you read it yet?
22:30:17massiveHRadikll, just download from http://build.rockbox.org/ and extract .rockbox to your player...
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22:31:14BigBambiRadikll: It is in the manual - as requested in the guidelines, please read the manual before asking questions here that are covered in it
22:31:30RadikllI read some of the manual
22:31:40BigBambiPlease search/read it before asking questions
22:31:44massiveHnow go back and read all.
22:32:13Radikllok...
22:32:43BigBambiIt is *incredibly* annoying to repeatedly get asked questions that are in the manual, that people have spent a lot of time and effort writing
22:35:19*rasher thinks the radio mode shouldn't have a default region
22:35:35rasherBut rather if unset, should ask for region when the user enters it
22:36:02rasherMuch like the database works
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22:36:34pixelmayou are already asked for an auto-scan...
22:37:10bouckrasher: couldn't it be part of rbutil installation process?
22:37:50rasherbouck: That seems wrong.
22:37:56rasherpixelma: It could ask for region at the same time
22:38:36pixelmamaybe, yes
22:39:33bouckrasher: maybe. But not 100% :-P rbutil could also ask about the preferred language.
22:40:17pixelmabut it would be nice if you can "answer the questions" independently to e.g. set the region but not start an auto-scan in case you already copied an fmr file but didn't set it yet
22:40:29webguest39ok.. for my fm preset problem. I had it do an autoscan, then saved that and compared it to the file I built (edited from another city) - i needs another digit
22:40:40rasherpixelma: in that case it wouldn't ask to scan for channels, would it?
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22:41:41webguest39it now works. so it seems it needs 6 digits after the 'decimal'
22:41:46pixelmaI'm not sure
22:41:48BigBambiyes, it is in Hz
22:41:52rasherbouck: I'm not a fan of moving configuration into rbutil. It creates an external dependency and complicates rbutil. Stuff like this should really Just Work, really.
22:41:56BigBambi@webguest
22:42:43webguest39perfect. I had copied one from the list of presets for different cities and tried to build my own. the one that i copied from must not work either. (at least on a e280)
22:42:50*domonoky just heard his first sound out of his .sap (ASAP port) codec .. still a bit choppy and all metadata is fake.. but i have sound !! :-)
22:42:57BigBambicongrats
22:44:55RadikllDo you guys new of any good websites to download Rockbox plugins and themes?
22:45:08Radikllknow*
22:45:28domonokyall plugins are included, for themes take a look at the wiki..
22:45:38Radikllok
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22:53:27peturhmmm... I'm doing screens[i].getstringsize() and although I'm pretty sure the remote is using sysfont, it looks like the value is the same
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22:54:52Radikllbye thanks for the help
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22:56:58Lloreandomonoky: Does ASAP have metadata?
22:57:32*petur runs it through GDB and confirms something is fishy
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23:00:31domonokyLlorean: not really, but some like duration,number of subsong..
23:00:39LloreanAh
23:00:49LloreanAre subsongs going to work like NSF?
23:01:35domonokyi dont know at moment.. we will see :-)
23:03:14domonokyhm, it seems it even has a tag for Author and name in the sap header..
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23:07:33peturcurrent recordingscreen rewrite gain = 1768 bytes :)
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23:22:13itchegbluebrother any chance to synch and commit? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5737?histring=sudoku
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23:36:49bluebrotheritcheg: wow, that's quite a while ago since I made that. Will put it on my list of items to check ...
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23:43:17Dhraakellianokay, I'm planning to take another stab at doing a battery benchmark test on my e200
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23:44:03DhraakellianWhich one of the following should I use to make the batterybench plugin work? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8070 http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9155
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23:55:28*petur just updated 9208 and wouldn't mind if people would test it ;)
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