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| 01:44:18 | andrewbeveridge | hey, just wondering if saratoga, preglow, or linuxstb are around at the moment? |
| 01:44:44 | andrewbeveridge | don't worry, i#m not here to nag :P |
| 01:44:48 | saratoga | andrewbeveridge: i'm here |
| 01:44:51 | andrewbeveridge | hey |
| 01:45:15 | andrewbeveridge | is there any way the id3 tags could make a difference to the way the file is treated? |
| 01:45:31 | saratoga | if theres a bug in our id3 parser, sure |
| 01:45:46 | andrewbeveridge | but surely that wouldn't be WMA-specific? |
| 01:45:46 | saratoga | we don't always handle tags correctly for all formats, though i think mp3 handling is pretty good |
| 01:45:56 | saratoga | well wma files can't have id3 tags |
| 01:45:56 | andrewbeveridge | ah right ok |
| 01:46:25 | saratoga | they use asf tags or whatever they're called |
| 01:47:00 | andrewbeveridge | ok i see... just, the reported bitrate by the faulty files is always in the *thousands* rather than the correct (~70 kbps) |
| 01:48:33 | saratoga | reported by what? |
| 01:49:09 | andrewbeveridge | any music client I have tried reading the files with |
| 01:50:15 | saratoga | theres no video stream ? |
| 01:50:37 | andrewbeveridge | hmmm? |
| 01:51:07 | saratoga | if an asf file reports that the bitrate is 1000s of kbps, i'd assume it was audio + video |
| 01:53:12 | andrewbeveridge | well, based on the 2 MB filesize, correct seeking, and lack of any video output when renamed to .asf and launched in vlc....? |
| 01:53:42 | saratoga | how long is it? |
| 01:54:36 | andrewbeveridge | well, the example file in the bug I submitted http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9205 is 3:56 long, and is 1.2 MB |
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| 01:55:38 | saratoga | ah didn't realize it was that file |
| 01:56:04 | saratoga | i don't know how the bitrate is calculated, but its probably in one of the ASF headers |
| 01:56:24 | saratoga | i don't think the decoder cares about the bitrate though |
| 01:56:29 | andrewbeveridge | well, see when I am referring to the faulty *files* I am talking about thousands of tracks witht the same properties, same encoder, same bitrate |
| 01:56:36 | andrewbeveridge | ok |
| 01:56:37 | andrewbeveridge | sure |
| 01:58:51 | andrewbeveridge | not sure if this helps, but if I re-encode the faulty files using the same encoder, but using CBR WMA rather than VBR WMA they work fine on rockbox |
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| 02:03:04 | andrewbeveridge | thats interesting... the faulty (VBR) files report format as "wmav2" whereas the working ones are "wmadmo" |
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| 02:16:27 | andrewbeveridge | just wondering, is there any way I can change the category of a Bug in flyspray? |
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| 02:17:47 | saratoga | andrewbeveridge: you might need to be an admin, but i can change it for you want |
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| 02:18:41 | andrewbeveridge | ok thanks, just I somehow put that bug in "Applications" rather than (I presume the correct) "Codecs" |
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| 02:18:47 | rasher | Does anyone object to this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/rdiff/Main/LangFiles?rev1=47;rev2=46 ? |
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| 02:21:31 | saratoga | ok i changed the status, but i wouldn't worry too much since linuxstb and I already know about it |
| 02:22:42 | andrewbeveridge | sure, but last time I was here I was told to submit a bug :) |
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| 02:24:02 | n9xvt | fixes to fonts,,wont dispay goup name queensryche (dots above the y)?also real time clock keeps going corrupt? sansa c240 |
| 02:26:19 | andrewbeveridge | saratoga: ok looks like I got mixed up - tracks coded with the windows audio converter program seem to be encoded using the DMO-based WMA encoder, hence are not playable with rockbox, whereas the ones which do not report "wmadmo" as their codec seem playable |
| 02:26:28 | andrewbeveridge | which makes sense |
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| 02:27:21 | saratoga | andrewbeveridge: ok good to know |
| 02:27:57 | saratoga | if I find a difference with a file using "svn diff filename.c" why wouldn't i be able to revert it with "svn revert filename.c"? |
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| 02:30:40 | n9xvt | is it just some players with wma isses? |
| 02:31:14 | n9xvt | they are fine on my sansa |
| 02:31:33 | saratoga | i don't think theres any specific players with wma issues |
| 02:32:05 | andrewbeveridge | n9xvt: does this file: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9205?getfile=16999 work on your player? |
| 02:32:19 | andrewbeveridge | ( i would greatly appreciate you testing it :) ) |
| 02:32:24 | n9xvt | hang on,,i'll test |
| 02:32:28 | andrewbeveridge | thanks |
| 02:33:20 | saratoga | if you want to test files, the sim makes the most sense sicne you can at least see the error messages |
| 02:33:42 | andrewbeveridge | good point i guess |
| 02:37:15 | n9xvt | plays but skips around,,, |
| 02:37:45 | n9xvt | also reports it as 64 k bit |
| 02:38:20 | andrewbeveridge | ok so plays badly, like the recording. oh well at least that proves it isn't player/hardware specific. thanks :) |
| 02:38:39 | andrewbeveridge | it technically is around 64kbps |
| 02:38:42 | andrewbeveridge | it is VBR |
| 02:39:05 | n9xvt | ok |
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| 02:41:09 | n9xvt | i am enjoying this software,,but will be glad to see these bugs my player seems to have go away,,, |
| 02:41:25 | andrewbeveridge | what sort of bugs? |
| 02:41:36 | n9xvt | fixes to fonts,,wont dispay goup name queensryche (dots above the y)?also real time clock keeps going corrupt? sansa c240 |
| 02:41:59 | rasher | n9xvt: I doubt that's a font problem |
| 02:42:02 | andrewbeveridge | have you downloaded the fotns package? |
| 02:42:09 | rasher | Unless it's only the ÿ that doesn't display |
| 02:42:59 | andrewbeveridge | side-question ; does rockbox support unicode characters in filenames and/or tags? |
| 02:43:01 | n9xvt | yes,,just the y,,and as far as i know i have everything this site has to offer,, |
| 02:43:13 | safetydan | andrewbeveridge: yes |
| 02:43:17 | andrewbeveridge | thanks |
| 02:43:22 | rasher | n9xvt: Which font are you using? |
| 02:44:49 | n9xvt | let me check,,i'll have to disc. and restart it,, |
| 02:45:48 | n9xvt | i just loaded the latest build and fonts on it with the utility,, |
| 02:48:04 | andrewbeveridge | go to theme settings->browse fonts and select unifont, see if the problem persists? |
| 02:48:27 | n9xvt | this may be an error on mi part? i havn't changed the font but am using the gsx theme? |
| 02:48:44 | rasher | Then you did change the font. |
| 02:49:23 | rasher | Where did you get that theme? |
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| 02:50:14 | n9xvt | rock box utility,,extras,,themes |
| 02:50:43 | rasher | Well, it includes its own font it seems. Not much we can do about that. Blame the theme author |
| 02:51:09 | n9xvt | ok non-problem with the uni-font,,mi bad? |
| 02:51:12 | saratoga | oes anyone remember what " error: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory" means I've forggoten to do |
| 02:52:00 | andrewbeveridge | well, if the unifont displays all correctly the problem is with whatever font the them you select uses. Each theme has it's own font. Simply change the font to one which you like, and works, after applying the theme. |
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| 02:54:47 | andrewbeveridge | saratoga: isn't rockboxlogo.h auto generated in each build? |
| 02:54:53 | andrewbeveridge | (i know nothing ;)) |
| 02:57:57 | n9xvt | proportional font,, is good |
| 02:58:19 | rasher | saratoga: http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:rockbox.org/irc/+rockboxlogo.h |
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| 03:00:52 | saratoga | rasher: the match is me asking that question |
| 03:01:41 | rasher | Great |
| 03:01:54 | andrewbeveridge | saratoga: methinks it could be some kind of a bug in the makefile? |
| 03:02:26 | rasher | saratoga: Maybe too high -j setting? |
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| 03:07:13 | micr0c0sm | are there any issues with navigating folders that start with "..." ? |
| 03:10:52 | rasher | micr0c0sm: There shouldn't be - what are you experiencing? |
| 03:11:11 | micr0c0sm | I was just wondering, I haven't tried it yet (copying over the files now) |
| 03:11:19 | micr0c0sm | but when I ls in linux they dont show up |
| 03:11:25 | micr0c0sm | unless I ls | grep \.\.\. |
| 03:11:35 | micr0c0sm | maybe once it is on the fat filesystem there wont be any problem |
| 03:11:52 | rasher | That's because files beginning with a . are treated as hidden |
| 03:12:18 | rasher | Rockbox does the same, but I don't know if it does the same for files starting with multiple dots |
| 03:12:38 | micr0c0sm | and I thought .. means go up a directory too |
| 03:12:46 | micr0c0sm | but we will see in a few minutes if there is an issue or not |
| 03:12:47 | Llorean | rasher: I'm pretty sure it does still |
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| 03:13:58 | rasher | Maybe some cleverness is in order? |
| 03:15:53 | andrewbeveridge | um, can anybody figure out what the difference is between these two files? http://88.111.203.26/music/index.php?dir=Rockbox%20Debugging |
| 03:16:49 | andrewbeveridge | Converted using the same program, same format, same audio, same bitrate, almost same file size, yet one plays perfectly and one skips. (In VLC and Rockbox) |
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| 03:18:01 | saratoga | andrewbeveridge: if I knew what was broken, I'd be able to fix this bug pretty easily . . . |
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| 03:19:56 | n9xvt | How can they be the same but have different sizes? |
| 03:20:02 | andrewbeveridge | yeah, thats what i'm trying to figure out - I mean, when I have two files sooooo similar, and one fails, really all that we need to do is figure out what is different between them, then I'm sure you will be able to solve the problem |
| 03:20:15 | andrewbeveridge | um, they obviously aren't exactly the same |
| 03:20:19 | saratoga | you're not going to be able to figure that out |
| 03:20:34 | andrewbeveridge | saratoga: why not? |
| 03:20:45 | saratoga | because you don't know how the codec works |
| 03:20:54 | andrewbeveridge | yeah, good point. |
| 03:21:09 | n9xvt | if one could get"inside" and look at the codes,, |
| 03:21:20 | saratoga | the difference isn't something you can find other then by looking at the code and running the files through it a lot |
| 03:22:49 | andrewbeveridge | its all kinda over my head. I want to learn but I think I would have to do a sound engineering course before I even had a clue about audio compression, codecs and such. I'm limited to programming database-driven websites lol |
| 03:23:28 | saratoga | computer engineering |
| 03:23:37 | saratoga | codecs actually have nothing to do with sound |
| 03:24:01 | Unhelpful | so, the audio out in sbagen.c is mostly stuff i figured out from one mail list message, and looking at mpegplayer. i seem to be missing something, though. does anybody know why it's silent unless i've adjusted the volume or played a track? patch is in https://looking-glass.us/~chshrcat/rockbox/ |
| 03:24:41 | andrewbeveridge | saratoga: really? surely the varied methods/qualities of compression must require some knowledge of the waveforms etc? |
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| 03:25:16 | n9xvt | is'nt the codec jut an "intepeter" between player and hardware? |
| 03:26:56 | rasher | andrewbeveridge: for designing a codec, yes. Writing the code for an already existing codec, not so much |
| 03:27:02 | saratoga | andrewbeveridge: thats basically what computer/electrical engineering is |
| 03:27:39 | Unhelpful | andrewbeveridge: really, writing a decoder is a matter of following a specification. writing a good encoder for a format from scratch, or designing a new format, that's harder |
| 03:27:43 | saratoga | n9xvt: thats one meaning yes, but we're refering to decoders here that convert compressed audio into pcm |
| 03:28:54 | micr0c0sm | anyone here upgrade thier 5g 60gb hard drive? |
| 03:31:24 | andrewbeveridge | saratoga: ah, ok - see, I was kinda getting confused with software engineering. |
| 03:31:50 | andrewbeveridge | Unhelpful: yeah, I guess, except WMA doesn't have any spec available |
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| 03:34:10 | Freddo_Frog | Hey all |
| 03:35:51 | Freddo_Frog | I have a Question |
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| 03:36:40 | saratoga | in case anyone was wondering, one way to create the rockboxlogo.h error is to not include a keymap file for your target |
| 03:37:17 | Unhelpful | andrewbeveridge: i'm sure MS has one somewhere, but yeah, we have to figure it out. pretty much :/ |
| 03:37:40 | micr0c0sm | wow, i actually like the ipod mini themes better than the ones for my 5g :( |
| 03:38:16 | Freddo_Frog | I was looking to buy a MP3 Player, and i was wondering what the best choice is if i want to solely use rockbox |
| 03:38:50 | saratoga | Freddo_Frog: theres a buyers guide in the wiki |
| 03:39:01 | Freddo_Frog | i know but that does not include near complete ports |
| 03:39:08 | Freddo_Frog | all of those players are old |
| 03:39:42 | Llorean | "Near Complete" is meaningless. |
| 03:39:49 | scorche | old != bad |
| 03:39:51 | andrewbeveridge | Freddo_Frog: I, personally would say choose an iPod 5G |
| 03:40:06 | Freddo_Frog | andrew i have looked into those and they are all about 400 |
| 03:40:07 | Llorean | Until a port is complete, it can seem nearly done and have months and months and months to go, or it can seem like it's far from done, and a chance discovery allows it to be working in a few weeks |
| 03:40:11 | scorche | andrewbeveridge: i wouldnt... |
| 03:40:24 | Llorean | andrewbeveridge: Frankly, the 5G/5.5G are the worst performing Rockbox target. |
| 03:40:28 | scorche | indeed |
| 03:40:39 | Freddo_Frog | i was going to go with the cowon X5L |
| 03:40:53 | Unhelpful | i know people who seem pretty happy w/ gigabeat F |
| 03:41:10 | saratoga | pretty much the only viable upcoming port at this point is the Gigabeat S |
| 03:41:17 | Freddo_Frog | i was thinking about that |
| 03:41:20 | Freddo_Frog | the gigabeat S |
| 03:41:22 | Freddo_Frog | ey |
| 03:41:22 | Llorean | The Gigabeat S is the only one likely to work "well" with rockbox any time soon. |
| 03:41:23 | andrewbeveridge | ah ok, I guess it depends what you want to use it for primarily though |
| 03:41:27 | saratoga | the rest are too far away to be worth looking at, and even the S needs work |
| 03:41:30 | Freddo_Frog | Music |
| 03:41:39 | Unhelpful | i'm happy w/ my S, *but* it only charges in OF right now, and you need a paper clip or such to get back to rockbox from OF |
| 03:41:43 | Llorean | The Cowon D5 has some potential, but some quirks that really stand in the way (managing its internal flash) |
| 03:41:51 | Llorean | It'll most likely end up requiring a memory card for regular use. |
| 03:41:54 | Freddo_Frog | D2 you mean? |
| 03:42:00 | andrewbeveridge | Freddo_Frog: what format? |
| 03:42:00 | Llorean | Yeah, D2 |
| 03:42:04 | Llorean | Damn numpad. |
| 03:42:11 | Freddo_Frog | Llorean: i currently own one of those and i haxedve it rockbo |
| 03:42:15 | Freddo_Frog | oops |
| 03:42:45 | Freddo_Frog | andrewbeveridge: ogg and mp3 |
| 03:44:38 | n9xvt | i'm pretty with my sansa,, |
| 03:45:11 | n9xvt | pretty happy that is,, |
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| 03:45:19 | Freddo_Frog | i was looking for either HDD based or large Flash like 16 - 32 GB that is |
| 03:46:26 | andrewbeveridge | Llorean: What is so bad about the iPod 5G then? (I know nothing) |
| 03:46:46 | Llorean | andrewbeveridge: Slow processor + Large screen. |
| 03:47:03 | Llorean | Basically UI performance and drawing performance are generally poor because of the giant screen |
| 03:47:15 | Llorean | and although pretty much all the iPods use the same processor, the others have smaller screens so show better UI performance |
| 03:47:27 | micr0c0sm | As an end-user, I have had no issues with rockbox in the past two years with my 60g 5g |
| 03:47:28 | Llorean | Because the WPS must be updated, codec performance may be poorer too. |
| 03:47:35 | Freddo_Frog | WPS? |
| 03:47:39 | Llorean | While Playing Screen |
| 03:47:43 | micr0c0sm | but a smaller screen would be better for battery life, probably |
| 03:47:44 | Freddo_Frog | ahhh i see |
| 03:48:10 | Llorean | micr0c0sm: Well, generally speaking, the batteries in smaller screen players are also smaller |
| 03:48:11 | Freddo_Frog | does it look like the Toshiba Gigabeat S will be cmopleted? |
| 03:48:24 | micr0c0sm | I should run that battery test script |
| 03:48:27 | Llorean | Freddo_Frog: I'd give it >80% chance. |
| 03:48:45 | Freddo_Frog | i would not get it until october |
| 03:48:46 | Llorean | It's quite usable as is, and the main thing missing is charging. |
| 03:48:59 | andrewbeveridge | Llorean: ok what about the nano then? (ignoring massive difference in storage capacity due to flash memory) |
| 03:49:11 | Llorean | andrewbeveridge: Nano is *much* better over all |
| 03:49:16 | Unhelpful | jhmikes said he had that working, aside from some minor issues |
| 03:49:20 | andrewbeveridge | ah ok |
| 03:49:27 | Unhelpful | S charging, that is |
| 03:49:37 | Llorean | Unhelpful: Yes, but who knows when he'll have time to work those out. :) |
| 03:49:41 | Freddo_Frog | i dont get how it could not charge. i thought charging was HDD not softwarew |
| 03:49:49 | Freddo_Frog | hardware that is |
| 03:50:12 | Unhelpful | the S charger apparently needs to be told to charge. even from the AC adaptor. :/ |
| 03:50:22 | Freddo_Frog | so you cant charge it when it is off? |
| 03:50:55 | Llorean | Nope |
| 03:51:02 | Freddo_Frog | hmm |
| 03:51:09 | Llorean | You can't charge most players while off. |
| 03:51:47 | Freddo_Frog | would it be able to be mounted under linux as removable storage? |
| 03:52:17 | Unhelpful | yes |
| 03:52:18 | saratoga | is there some way to remove a file from version control without deleting it? |
| 03:52:41 | Freddo_Frog | is there a chance that there will be a rockbox hardware player? |
| 03:52:52 | Llorean | saratoga: Why? |
| 03:52:59 | Llorean | Freddo_Frog: Not realistically, no. |
| 03:53:07 | Freddo_Frog | it is a good project i think |
| 03:53:24 | Llorean | Apparently not good enough, since too few people are contributing. |
| 03:53:27 | scorche | Freddo_Frog: not unless someone with a clue comes forward and does it |
| 03:53:30 | andrewbeveridge | Llorean: the nano charging is definitely hardware based - even when the flash drive was dd if=/dev/zeroed it charged fine from the USB cable and Mains charger |
| 03:53:31 | saratoga | because SVN is terrible and i need to remove and readd some files to it so that it will recognize them |
| 03:53:51 | Freddo_Frog | well what if a hardware vendor wanted to use it as the original firmware on there hardware? |
| 03:54:18 | n9xvt | that wuld be awesome! |
| 03:54:23 | Freddo_Frog | i know |
| 03:54:54 | saratoga | the rockbox player project suffers from being a terrible idea |
| 03:55:02 | Freddo_Frog | saratoga: what do you mean? |
| 03:55:08 | scorche | andrewbeveridge: and disk mode still worked, etc...the ipods have certain functions in flash that do not depend on the state of the hard drive |
| 03:55:25 | scorche | saratoga: it isnt too bad...just depends on what is done with it |
| 03:55:47 | scorche | Freddo_Frog: while that might be "awesome" i dont see the point in saying "what-if..." |
| 03:56:08 | Unhelpful | i wouldn't count on that what-if happening soon |
| 03:56:21 | Llorean | andrewbeveridge: What is that supposed to prove? |
| 03:56:25 | scorche | if it does, it does...if it doesnt, then i doesnt... |
| 03:56:28 | andrewbeveridge | scorche: ah, good point... so are you saying the charging was still presumably handled by the read only flash firmware? |
| 03:56:56 | saratoga | how do i blow away a corrupt SVN entry and readd it |
| 03:57:03 | saratoga | remove seems to fail |
| 03:57:07 | Freddo_Frog | they could offer a rockbox version and a OF version |
| 03:57:16 | andrewbeveridge | Llorean: that charging has nothing to do with firmware on the nano.. but clearly scorche just out-knowledged me :) |
| 03:57:19 | scorche | andrewbeveridge: what is the point of this discussion?...the gigabeat S is a totally separate device |
| 03:57:39 | scorche | Freddo_Frog: huh? |
| 03:57:47 | Freddo_Frog | like dell offers windows and linux |
| 03:57:53 | Llorean | andrewbeveridge: Well, "hardware controlled" invariably means "software controlled" at some point, because eventually there's logic to protect from overcharging. |
| 03:58:36 | saratoga | i don't think pure hardware lipoly chargers actually exist |
| 03:59:08 | scorche | it is a bit complicated... |
| 03:59:15 | andrewbeveridge | scorche: um not sure - i went off topic, i guess. |
| 03:59:40 | Freddo_Frog | maybe if the vendor got enough requests they could use rockbox as the original firmware |
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| 04:00:16 | scorche | Freddo_Frog: let me know how that turns out...i still dont see the point in discussing whatever you are trying to discuss... |
| 04:00:24 | Freddo_Frog | sorry |
| 04:00:47 | andrewbeveridge | Freddo_Frog: not gonna happen. 1) Rockbox hasn't got nearly enough publicity. 2) Rockbox will never be stable. |
| 04:01:33 | * | scorche sighs |
| 04:01:38 | saratoga | 2 is probably not a good thing to say in this channel |
| 04:01:59 | Freddo_Frog | i dont see how it is not stable |
| 04:02:15 | scorche | andrewbeveridge: it certainly is stable enough for me...if you are seeing bugs that i am not, i hope they are at least in flyspray... |
| 04:02:27 | n9xvt | me either,, |
| 04:02:38 | Unhelpful | Freddo_Frog: i believe saratoga might mean in terms of the code being a moving target |
| 04:02:58 | scorche | either way, what use would discussing this be? |
| 04:02:58 | Freddo_Frog | regular updates |
| 04:03:04 | Freddo_Frog | regular updates |
| 04:03:16 | Unhelpful | many commercial developers like their APIs frozen, or at least frosty |
| 04:03:42 | scorche | if a manufacturer decides to use rockbox, then they do, but i dont see a point in discussing this hypothetical |
| 04:03:58 | Freddo_Frog | i am sure that if it was put to the vendors some1 would snatit upch |
| 04:04:14 | andrewbeveridge | No, I'm not seeing bugs - but for any supposed "vendor" to take software on, it would have to be widely adopted and tested. Rockbox is perfect in my opinion but I doubt it would ever be classed as "stable" with new bugs being found regularly. |
| 04:04:19 | scorche | if you are so sure, then doo it.. |
| 04:04:27 | Freddo_Frog | what email them? |
| 04:04:37 | scorche | i dont know and dont really care... |
| 04:04:37 | andrewbeveridge | go ahead |
| 04:04:41 | Freddo_Frog | i will |
| 04:05:07 | andrewbeveridge | scorche: bad mood? I'm sorry if I have offended in any way o.O |
| 04:05:24 | Llorean | andrewbeveridge: There's just a bad habit of people not bothering to report bugs. |
| 04:05:31 | Llorean | They always seem to assume that if they see them, we all see them. |
| 04:07:12 | andrewbeveridge | Llorean: ah, ok. Just to clarify - by my less-than tactful statement "2)", I wasn't implying I had had any problems, I was meaning when bugs *are* being reported, it could never be classed as "Stable". |
| 04:07:42 | Llorean | andrewbeveridge: No offense intended, but that's silly. I know commercial software that's much buggier than Rockbox. Several OF's included. |
| 04:08:07 | Llorean | I'd imagine if a vendor were interested in it, they'd just pick one of our numbered releases, where bugs are documented already, and adjust it to their needs. |
| 04:08:13 | Llorean | But nobody seems interested in this, so it's irrelevant. |
| 04:08:36 | scorche | there isnt much point in discussing this as a hypothetical |
| 04:09:52 | andrewbeveridge | yeah. point taken. I shall shut up :) |
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| 04:13:05 | n9xvt | can sd cards be hot swapped? |
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| 04:13:23 | Unhelpful | ... and way back there i meant andrewbeveridge, not saratoga. nevermind. |
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| 04:26:48 | n9xvt | i just wish i could fix the clock issues,,, |
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| 04:31:24 | Llorean | n9xvt: Is there a bug report for these clock issues? |
| 04:32:44 | n9xvt | not that i have found,,but i have only heard of one other person who had the same issue,,but that person didnt use the clock,,, |
| 04:33:04 | Llorean | Well they'll never get fixed if they aren't documented.. |
| 04:34:18 | n9xvt | but i cant report it as i cant "re-create"it it just randomly occures |
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| 04:37:00 | n9xvt | and i'm not sure how to gain more info to give the programmers any kinda idea,,i'm pretty sure the simulator wouldnt get it right (wrong) |
| 04:37:46 | saratoga | n9xvt: you should try to find a developer with your target and ask them to see if their clock also loses tiem |
| 04:39:17 | n9xvt | that would be a great addition on the main page,,,oh well,, |
| 04:47:32 | saratoga | FS #9222 - Rockbox as an Application |
| 04:48:02 | saratoga | still a mess but i'd like feedback |
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| 05:02:12 | n9xvt | i really didnt understand it,,but i'm not a programer,, |
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| 05:03:22 | superkaybee | i'm having a problem getting album art to work with just some of my albums |
| 05:03:45 | superkaybee | 95% of them come up fine using the artist-album.bmp method but there's a few that just won't go |
| 05:04:12 | superkaybee | i can't seem to figure out what the issue is; i've checked the filenames & tags several times for typos |
| 05:04:47 | superkaybee | i can't explain why most of the album art works but just these 3 or 4 won't |
| 05:04:52 | superkaybee | any suggestions? |
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| 05:12:44 | superkaybee | one bizarre example is an album that is stored on disk as album/disc1 and album/disc2 |
| 05:12:59 | superkaybee | there is a single .bmp album art file in the parent directory |
| 05:13:27 | superkaybee | if i access a track from disc1, no album art but if i go with something on disc2, the art appears |
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| 06:01:33 | n9xvt | fs#9088,,imcompatible version on mi player,,causes an error on simulator? |
| 06:02:09 | n9xvt | even a windows error |
| 06:03:18 | Llorean | "incompatible version" means your simulator binary wasn't compiled at the same time as the plugin. |
| 06:03:58 | Llorean | Since his .rock is for a player, you can't use it with a simulator. |
| 06:09:55 | n9xvt | i get the version error on my player,,is there a way to re- compile the rock for mi player,,<i update it daily,,or wenever i hook it up to charge> |
| 06:11:06 | Llorean | You just compile a build with the patch. |
| 06:12:34 | n9xvt | yeah thats over my head,, |
| 06:13:33 | n9xvt | i'd bet theres a few great patches i'd like to play with,,, |
| 06:15:19 | n9xvt | <- needs a book,,,rockbox for dummie |
| 06:16:49 | advcomp2019 | n9xvt, compiling a build is not that hard like the ham radio tests you took |
| 06:19:17 | n9xvt | yeah but to me its vastly different,,kinda like a iron worker playin with pottery |
| 06:19:52 | n9xvt | i'll search the wiki about compiling,,,maybe i can get it figured out,,, |
| 06:20:26 | n9xvt | at least i know why it isnt working right and can try to fix it! |
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| 06:27:17 | n9xvt | ok,,i just looked at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile now i'm really lost,,,i would have know idea,,, |
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| 06:31:22 | n9xvt | it would be good if i could somehow tell the rock file its ok to run on that version,,or have a software to just to it for me,,,lol |
| 06:31:46 | Llorean | It's not okay to run on that version. |
| 06:31:51 | Llorean | If it were okay for it to run on it, it would run./ |
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| 06:40:52 | safetydan | n9xvt: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling is probably a better page to start with |
| 06:42:14 | xxbatman94xx | n9xvt it took me a while to get compiling down |
| 06:43:00 | xxbatman94xx | would anyone happen to know how to get ipodlinux off an ipod and the bootloader as well |
| 06:43:12 | xxbatman94xx | even though this kinda doesnt relate to rockbox |
| 06:43:51 | scorche | xxbatman94xx: welcome to #rockbox...where the topic is: rockbox-related topics only |
| 06:44:42 | xxbatman94xx | obviously...but does anyone happen to know just off the top of their head? |
| 06:45:14 | scorche | xxbatman94xx: what i meant by that is that what you are asking is something that is off-topic and is against the rules of this channel |
| 06:45:52 | xxbatman94xx | sorry...ill figure it out myself thanks for the warning |
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| 07:51:55 | funman | linuxstb: do you still have handy the source code you use to analyze sansav2 firmware block structure ? |
| 07:52:24 | funman | I can't get the block sizes right after the 0x400 bytes 1st block |
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| 09:34:57 | * | linuxstb hopes other devs can comment on saratoga's rockbox-as-app patch - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9222 |
| 09:40:00 | funman | linuxstb: can you share the source code you use at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.msg124880#msg124880 ? |
| 09:40:31 | funman | I'm looking at the latest clip firmware and it has a weird structure |
| 09:40:58 | linuxstb | funman: It's in the Rockbox SVN - utils/AMS/hacking/amsinfo.c (patches welcome...) |
| 09:41:26 | funman | oh nice |
| 09:42:33 | funman | I'll continue this evening after work |
| 09:43:11 | linuxstb | If you improve it, please post a patch to the Rockbox patch tracker (and point me to it in case I miss it). |
| 09:43:40 | funman | sure |
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| 10:22:00 | petur | linuxstb: the clip has OTG? |
| 10:22:30 | linuxstb | petur: I don't know. I don't think so though. |
| 10:22:51 | petur | just saw the "otg_functio" in your dump ;) |
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| 10:23:42 | linuxstb | Ah, maybe it does then... |
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| 10:28:45 | petur | maybe it is part of the stack they used and then just disabled in software |
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| 15:17:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Bonjour to you, good sir! :) |
| 15:18:30 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Howdy New Jersey. |
| 15:18:48 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Did that m200 show up on your door this morning? |
| 15:19:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: No, not yet. |
| 15:19:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | Neither did my Jukebox 5000. |
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| 15:19:46 | MarcGuay | I found a fun chip on the c100 that probably exists on that one as well (i2c eeprom?). And noticed that there's an extra 10MB hiding on the main partition that I can't seem to get at. |
| 15:20:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Not even with a dd command? |
| 15:21:01 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wonders if that extra 10MB might be something firmware-related |
| 15:21:05 | MarcGuay | Ah, that was what I was going to do, disk image it. Not a linux dude but I think that's what dd is all about? |
| 15:21:41 | MarcGuay | I think it's probably the firmware because the NAND ones seem to have a hidden partition to hide it in while these ones don't... |
| 15:21:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | You don't have access to a NAND c100, do you? |
| 15:22:04 | MarcGuay | Nope. |
| 15:22:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hmmm... |
| 15:22:19 | * | LambdaCalculus37 goes to eBay |
| 15:22:24 | Unhelpful | hiding *on* the partition? |
| 15:22:47 | MarcGuay | According to linuxstb's LogikDAX page the nand versions have a hidden partition. |
| 15:23:07 | linuxstb | It's not a hidden partition as such, just an area of the disk that isn't exposed via USB |
| 15:23:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Unhelpful: These Telechips device are weird little beasts. |
| 15:23:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Think a dd on the partition will also grab that area? |
| 15:23:39 | linuxstb | "isn't exposed via USB"... |
| 15:23:51 | * | LambdaCalculus37 scratches that idea, then |
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| 15:29:19 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: So when you look at the DAX's contents in MSC mode, do you see much more space used than the total size of visible files? |
| 15:30:46 | linuxstb | The DAX came with a load of MP3 files hidden within the filesystem, so yes, lots more space was used than was used by visible files. But apart from that, I haven't really looked at it. |
| 15:31:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Is this the fun chip? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/SansaC100Port/mystery_chip.png |
| 15:31:04 | Unhelpful | MarcGuay: that "11MB" that df found as used? |
| 15:34:36 | MarcGuay | Unhelpful: Yeah, still poking at that. Maybe it's exposed in MTP mode and is just a bunch of demo MP3s... |
| 15:34:47 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: On the c100 page...? |
| 15:34:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. |
| 15:35:09 | MarcGuay | Yep. My camera's macro abilities impressed me. :) |
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| 16:22:23 | * | GodEater wonders how df can tell there's stuff being used if it's not exposed over USB |
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| 16:37:37 | Unhelpful | if df sees it as used, it is in some way part of the filesystem :/ |
| 16:42:07 | Llorean | Is the voice codec always loaded, or is it separate and only loaded when voice is enabled, or when voice needs to be played? Specifically, would it in theory be possible to support multiple voice formats without *too much* extra work? |
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| 16:44:33 | linuxstb | Llorean: The voice codec used to be loaded, but is now linked as part of the core. |
| 16:45:38 | Llorean | linuxstb: Some time ago there was talk about plugins possibly being under different licenses from the core, especially if they were compiled and distributed separately (plugins from a GPLv3 build of Rockbox being available for download, but binary compatible with a v2 or later build) |
| 16:46:05 | MarcGuay | Unhelpful: I might be barking up the wrong tree though. Perhaps it's possible, and even normal, for a 2GB disk to have a default amount of 10MB shown as "used" even though the exposed files don't reflect it? |
| 16:46:08 | Llorean | And I was thinking "well, if it IS true, it could also work for codecs" then "if it could work for codecs, it might work for the voice codec, I wonder how that's set up" specifically leading toward espeak. |
| 16:46:29 | Llorean | It might be another angle to approach the espeak v3 problem from. |
| 16:46:47 | pixelma | I remember some devs saying "no codec swapping for voice anymore" which seem to have been troublesome before |
| 16:46:48 | Llorean | If it were possible to just normally include the speex, but allow a separate download to replace it with an actual TTS codec. |
| 16:47:10 | Llorean | Ah well. |
| 16:47:17 | pixelma | when speex was introduced |
| 16:47:28 | linuxstb | pixelma: Yes, the code was greatly simplified (and made more reliable) by linking speex into the core |
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| 16:50:50 | Unhelpful | MarcGuay: the fat, and directories, do take up space |
| 16:51:43 | MarcGuay | Unhelpful: That's what I'm wondering. Any idea if 10MB is a reasonble about for that? |
| 16:56:41 | Unhelpful | no clue. |
| 16:58:19 | Unhelpful | you could make a new filesystem w/ the same parameters, and copy the existing directory structure to it |
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| 17:25:22 | saratoga | is the rockbox build script in SVN ? |
| 17:26:27 | Nico_P | saratoga: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/tools/ |
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| 18:01:40 | funman | the symbols for drm10_* functions don't exist in my Sansa CLIP firmware |
| 18:01:49 | funman | they got other names now |
| 18:01:58 | funman | all the other library blocks are present |
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| 18:07:14 | funman | however with the current method, I can not find what's after the firmware block |
| 18:07:44 | funman | the 4 bytes after the firmware block are 0xdeadbeef :o) |
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| 18:27:37 | funman | I number at least 25 library blocks |
| 18:29:46 | funman | 19* |
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| 19:14:44 | peppo | I can't seem to find any current instructions on how to convert a HFS+ iPod (30GB) to FAT32 on GNU/Linux. |
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| 19:18:43 | funman | you can't convert, backup the data and copy it again when the FAT32 partition has been created |
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| 19:20:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | peppo: These will work just fine: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 19:20:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | Just make sure to use Linux equivalents where appropriate. |
| 19:24:28 | peppo | ah |
| 19:24:33 | peppo | video 30gb is 5gen, right? |
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| 19:25:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. It's also the 5.5G as well. |
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| 19:26:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | You can tell by the serial number on the back; check this page out for more information: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353#ipodfifth2 |
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| 19:26:38 | peppo | heh |
| 19:26:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Although it doesn't make a difference. |
| 19:26:44 | peppo | sorry |
| 19:26:47 | peppo | my cat made me press clear |
| 19:26:48 | peppo | hm |
| 19:27:05 | peppo | now my ipod's constantly rebooting |
| 19:27:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Did you install using Rockbox Utility? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 19:27:57 | peppo | I've not installed anything |
| 19:28:02 | peppo | I've just tried to convert to fat32 |
| 19:28:48 | peppo | now it's in disk mode |
| 19:28:48 | peppo | ok |
| 19:28:50 | peppo | let's see |
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| 19:34:36 | peppo | hm! |
| 19:34:40 | peppo | rbutilqt says it's a macpod |
| 19:34:46 | peppo | but its filesystem is FAT32... |
| 19:34:56 | peppo | /dev/sdh3 on /media/iPod type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,flush) |
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| 19:35:31 | peppo | although there's no directories on it |
| 19:35:41 | peppo | I attempted http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 in Linux |
| 19:35:54 | funman | fdisk /dev/sdh ? |
| 19:35:59 | peppo | substituting newfs_msos with mkfs.msdos |
| 19:36:03 | peppo | funman, shows empty space |
| 19:36:09 | peppo | no partitions |
| 19:36:23 | funman | why is sdh3 mounted then? |
| 19:36:31 | peppo | it simply is |
| 19:37:36 | peppo | sigh |
| 19:39:43 | domonoky | peppo: and you changed both the second partition and the mbr ? |
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| 20:01:41 | * | domonoky gets strange segfaults if i change from .sap to another format. it also segfaults the same if i switch from another format to .sap.. :-/ |
| 20:03:15 | domonoky | the segfault is in draw_album art ? strange... |
| 20:03:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's strange indeed. |
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| 20:07:34 | * | domonoky thinks he knows why... id3v2buf is only 300 Bytes, so i overflow it with my metadata struct .. :-/ |
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| 20:14:11 | * | LambdaCalculus37 looks through docs/MAINTAINERS in SVN |
| 20:15:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | Looks like docs/MAINTAINERS hasn't been updated in several months now. Are we still going to keep the file up to date, so we know who's maintaining what? |
| 20:17:47 | bertrik | I noticed several other documents in docs that look quite outdated too |
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| 20:23:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: Yes, I see that too. What the dilly-o? ;) |
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| 20:30:29 | * | LambdaCalculus37 notices that neither he nor MarcGuay have been credited in docs/CREDITS-MANUAL |
| 20:31:10 | domonoky | LambdaCalculus37: then hurry and add yourself :-) |
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| 20:32:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Also, the information in docs/KNOWN_ISSUES is very much outdated. Should the file be removed, or revised to let people know the info in it no longer applies? |
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| 20:51:48 | saratoga | has anyone had a chance to look at stripwax's profile patch? |
| 20:52:03 | saratoga | was goign to try it tonight and commit it if it works |
| 20:52:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoge: What's the patch number? |
| 20:52:50 | saratoga | FS #9170 |
| 20:53:06 | saratoga | this honestly should have gone in sometime in 2006 |
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| 20:53:38 | * | domonoky is now working on a asap metadata rework, i really overflow the id3v2 buffer so no wonder i get segfaults.. what should i do if i run out of buffer ? skip the file ? just skip the meta data ? |
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| 20:55:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: Honestly, I think it should go in. |
| 20:55:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | But make sure it works first, of course. ;) |
| 20:56:59 | domonoky | saratoga: any news from your gsoc project ? |
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| 21:04:19 | saratoga | domonoky: i posted a FS task last night |
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| 21:08:27 | domonoky | nice |
| 21:09:46 | domonoky | hm, i can not run test_codec on a .sap file which loops :-) it runs forever :-) |
| 21:10:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strange... I managed to when I first tested the patch for it. |
| 21:11:32 | domonoky | also elapsed handling for looping files is not nice, it goes into negative after the first iteration.. :-) |
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| 21:18:41 | domonoky | but i think i fixed metadata parsing and stereo handling now.. which i will commit now :-) |
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| 21:20:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | domonoky: Okay, will test. :) |
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| 21:21:18 | domonoky | good :-) its now commited .. |
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| 21:31:49 | BoD[] | Hello, World! |
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| 21:33:49 | BoD[] | Hey, I haven't upgraded rockbox for a few months |
| 21:34:05 | BoD[] | untill yesterday I did, and my custom WPS is no longer working |
| 21:34:18 | BoD[] | what's a good way to troubleshoot? |
| 21:34:39 | domonoky | the WPS syntacs changed a little.. |
| 21:35:06 | domonoky | i think the simulator can output nice messages where it goes wrong wile loading the WPS.. |
| 21:35:12 | BoD[] | ahh! |
| 21:35:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | You can either try a new theme from the WPS Gallery, or read this page for more information on what needs to be changed: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 21:35:18 | BoD[] | downloading the sim right now |
| 21:35:38 | rasher | Speaking of that, I should fix stuff so they get updated again |
| 21:35:47 | domonoky | ./rockboxui −−debugwps will give you helpfull messages.. |
| 21:35:53 | BoD[] | ah thanks! |
| 21:40:25 | BoD[] | seems to be the progressbar |
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| 21:40:34 | BoD[] | %P doesn't exist anymore? :) |
| 21:41:13 | BigBambi | It has just changed |
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| 21:41:30 | BoD[] | I see i have to put the image directly in the %p |
| 21:41:32 | BigBambi | www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS |
| 21:41:40 | BoD[] | yeah i saw |
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| 21:47:10 | ChristopherW | does anyone here use Rockpaint? |
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| 21:51:22 | BoD[] | what was %m again? I have it in my current WPS but it doesn't exist anymore! :) |
| 21:51:50 | domonoky | margins, that is now solved differently with viewports |
| 21:52:12 | BoD[] | ohhh ok |
| 21:52:33 | ChristopherW | that reminds me, I need to re-upload my theme since it was broken due to a change in the wps parser |
| 21:52:56 | BoD[] | wow different fonts! |
| 21:52:58 | ChristopherW | the only change that affected it was the progress bar tag, fortunately |
| 21:53:32 | BoD[] | suuuweet |
| 21:54:34 | domonoky | you can only switch between userfont and systemfont.. real multifont isnt there yet. |
| 21:54:59 | BoD[] | oh ? :( |
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| 21:55:35 | BoD[] | oh right |
| 21:55:39 | ChristopherW | can someone test my patch FS #9217? it makes lines drawn by the line tool look much better in Rockpaint |
| 21:55:44 | BoD[] | too bad |
| 21:56:52 | domonoky | but if we sometime get multifont, we will just extend this font number in the viewport :-) |
| 21:57:40 | ChristopherW | I'd especially like to know if it's OK #define the macro ABS() immediately before the draw_line() function |
| 21:58:15 | ChristopherW | maybe I should've used abs() instead |
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| 21:59:01 | ChristopherW | oops... I'll go make a new patch using the standard abs() function that I just found out about right now |
| 21:59:06 | domonoky | if there is abs() in rockbox, you surely should use it instead of a macro |
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| 22:00:06 | ChristopherW | right, and I just realized that now :-[ |
| 22:00:33 | domonoky | and about the positioning of macros. i think its better to collect them at the top of the file, so you can easily find them.. |
| 22:01:31 | ChristopherW | normally I do that, but not in this case for some reason |
| 22:02:01 | domonoky | and i think it wouldnt hurt to add a few comments :-) |
| 22:02:02 | ChristopherW | I changed it to use abs(), and apparently that function does exist in Rockbox, so I'll upload a new patch |
| 22:02:54 | ChristopherW | well, yeah I should add some comments |
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| 22:03:22 | domonoky | at least note the algorithm used, then its easier to understand later.. |
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| 22:17:08 | ChristopherW | ok, I added a comment and a second patch to my Flyspray entry FS #9217 |
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| 22:17:35 | ChristopherW | the patch contains some more comments and uses abs() instead of ABS() |
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| 22:35:42 | fml | Hello. I've posted an idea to the forum about how the smart backlight could work (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17718.0). And it would be a clean solution IMHO. But there is already FS #8400. Can anybody tell me if it does exactly what I proposed? |
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| 22:53:58 | * | Bagder has the final count |
| 22:54:06 | petur | wooo |
| 22:54:08 | bluebrother | woot! |
| 22:54:22 | Bagder | announcement mail in a minute |
| 22:54:39 | * | bluebrother drumrolls |
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| 23:00:08 | Bagder | the mail is sent |
| 23:01:22 | bertrik | ChristopherW, nice! |
| 23:02:46 | * | domonoky applauds to Bagder,LinusN,linuxsts,Llorean and amiconn !! *cheers* :-) |
| 23:02:55 | Nico_P | a fine board indeed |
| 23:04:44 | * | bluebrother wonders who linuxsts is :) |
| 23:04:56 | * | rasher thinks this should go on -dev as well, at the least |
| 23:05:00 | scorche|sh | linux set top set |
| 23:05:27 | Bagder | rasher: it should indeed, part of my "next step" thoughts actually ;-) |
| 23:05:40 | * | petur counts 31 sysfont strings in recording.c |
| 23:05:43 | bluebrother | congrats to the guys who made it |
| 23:06:37 | * | petur also congrats the expected suspects |
| 23:08:40 | * | preglow too |
| 23:08:53 | * | bluebrother grabs some spaces and throws them to domonoky :) |
| 23:09:18 | * | domonoky hides :-) |
| 23:09:49 | rasher | petur: Are they going? The sysfont strings |
| 23:09:50 | * | preglow grabs a beer to cement his status as backup member |
| 23:10:08 | petur | rasher: as many as possible ;) |
| 23:10:43 | rasher | I still think introducing them in the first place was an awful idea |
| 23:11:32 | petur | I'll also try to get the naming a bit uniform as there are now some _RECORDING, _RECORD and _REC strings... |
| 23:11:47 | rasher | Ugh |
| 23:11:56 | rasher | Please rename in all langfiles then |
| 23:12:18 | petur | well, I'm still not sure: rename or depricate |
| 23:12:26 | rasher | Nothing like asking all translators to translate a string again, just because the ID changed |
| 23:13:01 | petur | if I depricate, then translators will at least check if they can now use a proper string |
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| 23:13:47 | petur | s/depricate/deprecate |
| 23:13:54 | rasher | But that only goes for quite few languages. Most will just be hassled needlessly |
| 23:14:10 | rasher | Maybe you could just remove the strings from the few non-latin languages, to make them appear untranslated? |
| 23:14:32 | rasher | If it's too much work, give me a list of ids and I'll do it |
| 23:14:32 | petur | ugh |
| 23:14:54 | petur | so the existing translation is lost? |
| 23:15:11 | rasher | That's the case if you deprecate as well |
| 23:15:14 | petur | I first have to check where each string is used |
| 23:15:31 | rasher | Why? The sysfont strings are marked |
| 23:15:57 | rasher | Maybe I don't understand what you're doing |
| 23:16:15 | petur | if I deprecate, they can at least copy from there? |
| 23:16:39 | rasher | That's almost as much hassle as just keeping an old language file around |
| 23:16:50 | petur | ehm, I just want to make sure one of those sysfont strings isn't used elsewhere... |
| 23:17:04 | rasher | Plus, deprecated strings get removed automaticly in my translator :| |
| 23:17:12 | rasher | Ah, like that |
| 23:17:14 | petur | maybe I'm giving myself too much work |
| 23:17:54 | rasher | I should make a function on my "problems" page to check for non-latin characters in SYSFONT strings. I'm pretty sure quite a few languages have such strings |
| 23:18:05 | rasher | s/quite // |
| 23:18:57 | petur | bingo... LANG_SYSFONT_GAIN is also used in eq_menu.c |
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| 23:20:27 | * | preglow wonders how safetydan is doing with redesigning that menu |
| 23:22:26 | petur | I guess I'll leave the ones used elsewhere in the lang file and create a new one for the recording screen. When the eq screen is redone, they can use the new string and depricate the sysfont one |
| 23:23:17 | rasher | Sounds like a job for my hypothetical langfile-poking tool. |
| 23:23:26 | kugel | Llorean: Hey. I have a question regarding the forum discussion we had today. What if the authors don't answer. Can I assume "no license" and if yes, can I keep the themes in the build? |
| 23:23:38 | Llorean | kugel: "no license" means all rights reserved. |
| 23:23:46 | Llorean | If you don't have an explicit license, you can't distribute it. |
| 23:24:00 | kugel | Llorean: Ok, thanks. I expected that |
| 23:24:04 | Llorean | It's unfortunate, but that's why we're going to require licenses on the new theme site. |
| 23:24:07 | preglow | rasher: make such a tool please :> |
| 23:24:15 | Llorean | To prevent such confusion and difficulty in the future. |
| 23:24:33 | kugel | Llorean: Yea, I understand. I'll encourage people too to put a license on their work |
| 23:24:39 | Llorean | Thanks |
| 23:25:49 | bluebrother | btw, how's the theme site going? |
| 23:26:10 | rasher | preglow: I've pretty much lost my motivation on the xml stuff |
| 23:26:49 | domonoky | would be good to put this theme site stuff somewhere, where others also can poke on it :- |
| 23:27:21 | bluebrother | svn already has a folder ... unfortunately no content. |
| 23:27:42 | bluebrother | when we're going 3.0 we should have an official theme site. Even if it's read only. |
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| 23:30:04 | preglow | rasher: any reason? |
| 23:31:06 | rasher | preglow: it's awfully boring work, recreating the old genlang using what's basically DOM and not much else |
| 23:31:34 | preglow | rasher: yeah, that i can imagine |
| 23:32:02 | preglow | rasher: but would creating the same thing using the current format be less work? |
| 23:32:46 | rasher | Possibly |
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| 23:33:17 | preglow | lang files are just too huge to handle by hand now |
| 23:33:27 | petur | good news... only one sysfont string is used elsewhere... |
| 23:33:47 | Ackers | hello |
| 23:33:49 | preglow | and they contain too much clutter to be easy to handle manually anyway |
| 23:34:53 | Ackers | i need help deciding what mp3 player to get |
| 23:35:52 | rasher | preglow: I agree. It probably wouldn't be too much work, now that I think about it. |
| 23:36:24 | bluebrother | Ackers: check the BuyersGuide wiki page |
| 23:36:43 | Ackers | i did |
| 23:37:04 | Ackers | im an mp3 noob and it confused me |
| 23:37:14 | preglow | rasher: any ideas on what such a tool would do? |
| 23:37:38 | rasher | I think I had some ideas written in the xml patch |
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| 23:38:55 | rasher | Seems not |
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| 23:41:48 | rasher | Some obvious things: Change an ID in all languages, deprecate a string in all languages, change an English string in english.lang and change <source> accordingly in other languages (for minor changes that don't require changes in translations), change desc in all languages (for minor changes that don't require attention by translators) |
| 23:42:24 | preglow | ah, yeah, global changes would be nice |
| 23:42:33 | rasher | Sort a language in English.lang order (some people seem to prefer that) |
| 23:42:42 | preglow | oh yes |
| 23:42:58 | preglow | but some kind of interface for doing the actual translation work itself would also be good, including displaying all the strings in a file |
| 23:43:04 | preglow | perhaps that's web app land? |
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| 23:43:19 | preglow | like i said, i think the actual layout of lang files is way to cluttery for manual editing |
| 23:43:53 | rasher | I think a web app would be better - I don't think people would bother downloading a program to translate |
| 23:44:10 | preglow | yeah, i agree |
| 23:44:48 | rasher | I'm not sure I'm up to the task of writing a usable web app of that size |
| 23:45:28 | preglow | nah, it'd be a fair deal of work |
| 23:45:59 | preglow | i used to enjoy writing stuff like that four years or so ago, but alas, no longer |
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| 23:47:15 | petur | wow, lots of sysfont strings are actually duplicates of existing strings |
| 23:47:19 | * | preglow tries to sweat less |
| 23:47:23 | preglow | petur: tons |
| 23:47:34 | preglow | noticed that when syncing last |
| 23:51:28 | petur | preglow: 10 |
| 23:52:22 | petur | and counting... |
| 23:53:30 | rasher | Ah. I was about to suggest renaming norsk to norsk-bokmål, but then there's the filename problem |
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| 23:57:17 | itcheg | bluebrother I tested the sudoku save patch in an Ipod 64 and it works perfectly, Thanks you! |
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