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#rockbox log for 2008-08-01

00:01:35 Quit dr3qm ("Leaving")
00:02:01afruff23does "Distribute and modify as you wish" count as a license?
00:02:48linuxstbafruff23: Seems clear to me.
00:02:55Hillshumto distribute and modify as wished
00:02:58peturpixelma: that hebrew lang file is really weird. many of the voice entries are placed incorrect
00:03:06peturnot just for recording or agc
00:03:35pixelmawow I can see the peakmeters moving from voice output in the trigger screen on my Ondio, wonder if that's always been the case
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00:04:20desowinafruff23: I'd add no warranty info to it
00:04:20peturoh, so the peakmeters are still in output mode?
00:05:52pixelmain the trigger screen where it speaks the options now, maybe that's not right on hwcodec at all? I don't know enough though :\
00:06:36peturit's a very good hint and probably explains why recording doesn't work... I'll write it down and check
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00:09:31pixelmaI turned voice off now but that didn't help. Regarding the speaking trigger screen, I really start thinking that it shouldn't on hwcodec, if I remember correctly I've been told once that the MAS itself needs to be in recording mode
00:10:13pixelmatriggered recording is off though
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00:30:36XqtftqxCan somebody help me to edit the source to exclude a directory in the database, or only search one directory?
00:31:15BigBambiXqtftqx: Put a file called database.ignore in the directories you want ignored
00:31:32Xqtftqxhmmm, thanks
00:31:42afruff23there's already one in the rockbox folder
00:31:45afruff23just copy and paste it
00:32:24Xqtftqxwheres the default settings in the source for that file?
00:32:40linuxstb"default settings"?
00:32:47Xqtftqxi want to make it add the dir everytime
00:32:59BigBambieh?
00:33:00Xqtftqxwhere the file is the source
00:33:22BigBambiIf you leave the file there, the database will permanently ignore it...
00:33:22linuxstbXqtftqx: Why don't you start by explaining what you want to do?
00:33:28*petur wonders why he's fixing hebrew.lang and not doing something useful
00:34:02Xqtftqxi already said above, i want to include a lin in database.ignore when i build rockbox
00:34:07pixelmapetur: I just compared to a non-patched build of the same revision on my Ondio - recording works and the trigger screen doesn't talk
00:34:16BigBambiXqtftqx: Just leave it on your player
00:34:33BigBambiThe database.ignore relates to the music on the disk, not to the source
00:34:39Xqtftqxi know
00:34:49Xqtftqx open(IGNORE, ">.rockbox/database.ignore") || die "can't open database.ignore";
00:34:59BigBambi?
00:35:06Xqtftqxin makezip.pl i want to add a line there
00:35:14BigBambiI don't understand
00:35:26Xqtftqxwhould i just do "echo /My_Podcasts >> .rockbox/database.ignore"
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00:35:39Xqtftqxafter that, to add that line everytime i compile
00:35:54scorche|shXqtftqx: why would you ever need to do that?
00:36:01BigBambiI still don't understand what you are trying to do
00:36:11linuxstbXqtftqx: No, you create a file called database.ignore in the /My_Podcasts directory.
00:36:15scorche|shyou simply place a file called database.ignore in whatever folder you want ignored as has been said...
00:36:15Xqtftqxok, heres what im trying to do
00:36:34Xqtftqxoh i get it thanks linuxstb
00:36:45BigBambiIsn't that what I said?
00:37:00scorche|shBigBambi: it is what all 3 of us said ;)
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00:37:12Xqtftqxi though you meant, in the .rockbox dir, with the directories i want to ignore
00:37:19BigBambier, no
00:37:27scorche|sh< BigBambi> Xqtftqx: Put a file called database.ignore in the directories you want ignored
00:37:34Xqtftqxi know
00:37:40Xqtftqxsorry, i was confused, its fine now
00:37:45BigBambiscorche|sh: The combined will power won :)
00:37:50BigBambiXqtftqx: cool :)
00:40:10Xqtftqxwill it ignore all subdirs to?
00:40:56BigBambiyes
00:41:10BigBambiUnless you put a database.unignore file in a subdir
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00:49:45MarfuggaI'm trying to use v10 of this patch (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8799) to resize the list in rockbox to show up on the right half of my screen (my left side is cracked) I applied the patch, recompiled, installed rockbox, and added "list viewport: -,160,-,-,-,-,-" to config.cfg. then when rockbox starts the menu is still normal, unchanged. any idea what i did wrong?
00:50:03Marfuggaoh and i have an ipod video 5.5g
00:51:44linuxstbIf you go to the System->Info (I think...) screen, what version of Rockbox does it say you're running?
00:52:09Marfuggawell remember it's almost impossible for me to see
00:52:19Marfuggacause the left side of my screen is cracked, and that's where the menu is
00:53:04Marfuggaright now i'm compiling revision 18104 which is the same as the one they were using for the patch if i'm not mistaken
00:53:05linuxstbAh yes, sorry... OK, then what does the .rockbox/rockbox-info.txt file on your iopd say for "Version:"
00:53:11Marfuggalet me check
00:54:26peturI assume it is known that the build server is down?
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00:54:46linuxstbpetur: I don't think anyone has noticed...
00:55:02peturlast build was yesterday evening
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00:55:18peturI mean 30/7
00:55:48*petur pokes Bagder
00:56:12zeleftikamI have installed a 2GB microSD card for the first time on my Sansa C250 running Rockbox. When I select `Database`, it says "Database is not ready, Initialize now?" I select "Yes", and the device hangs for about a half an hour counting songs, committing database, and then turn turns off. When I restart, the database is not initialized and I get this message again. Any ideas?
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00:56:22Marfuggalinuxstb: Version: r18096M-080801
00:57:02linuxstbMarfugga: OK, I just wanted to check for the obvious - that you hadn't correctly installed the modified version. That seems to show you have (the M means the source is modified from SVN)
00:57:08zeleftikamSpecifically, it hangs on :Committing Database [5/9]
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00:57:43Marfuggamaybe kugel can help
00:57:48Marfuggasince it's his patch i think
00:58:00linuxstbMarfugga: Have you tried building the UI simulator? It may be easier to debug things there.
00:58:47Marfuggalinuxstb: i'll try that, but since i'm building revision 18104 you think it might work on that instead of 18096? even though the patch didn't fail with either refision
00:58:51kugelMarfugga: sure, what's up?
00:59:09linuxstbMarfugga: I would be surprised if that made a difference.
00:59:10Lloreanzeleftikam: It shouldn't turn itself off.
00:59:33Marfuggakugel: i'm trying v10 of your patch, i added that line you told me to add to config.cfg, but the menu is unchanged when i start rockbox
00:59:34advcomp2019zeleftikam, what kind of music files are you using?
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00:59:49zeleftikamthey are all MP3. there is one JPEG on the microSD card.
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01:00:24kugelMarfugga: I already told you, but ok
01:00:30kugeltake the .patch file
01:00:35kugelopen it in an editor
01:00:37webguest92 wish i could compile my own version of rockbox
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01:01:17kugeland remove anything from Index: wps/WPSLIST to Index: wps/wpsbuild.pl
01:01:32peturpixelma: I think I found and fixed the archos issue, new patch is up but take your time (I'm off to bed now anyway)
01:01:39kugelMarfugga: I changed the default themes to automatically reset the custom list, but that's obviously not wanted in your case
01:01:57pixelmapetur: nice, will try
01:02:13kugelremoving the changes to WPSLIST will NOT cause the included themes to reset the custom list
01:02:17linuxstbkugel: But if Marfugga added the line to the .cfg file, why would the theme.cfg files affect anything?
01:02:18stripwaxwebguest92 - nothing stopping you, all the instructions are in the wiki pages on rockbox.org
01:02:22Marfuggakugel: i think i already did that, going to check now
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01:03:21webguest92after two attempts i give up! I even used the "simple" guide
01:03:30kugellinuxstb: Hmm, not actually sure (maybe I missread, I
01:03:37kugel'm slightly drunken)
01:04:01kugelanyway, if he checks it, it'll remove 1 error source from the check list
01:04:36kugelfrom my experience with my patch, the custom list doesn
01:04:44kugel't change after a reboot
01:05:01*kugel hates apostrophe being next to enter
01:05:42kugelMarfugga: Please copy&paste the line you added to your config.cfg
01:05:55Marfuggalist viewport: -,160,-,-,-,-,-
01:06:25kugelI'll check it on my sansa
01:06:29zeleftikami solved my problem (the internal memory was full and it couldn't write the database)
01:07:09Marfuggakugel: i deffinately removed the WPSLIST part
01:07:17stripwaxzeleftikam - interesting - I (and you!) would have expected it to show an error message and not lock up
01:07:57zeleftikamyeah, a message reflecting this would have been nice. the space wasn't an issue until i installed the accessory card and it tried to add those files to the catalog
01:08:07webguest92nyways,, before i waste anouther two hours,,,if i compile my own version using 3 patches,,am i correct to assume that i'll never be able to update using the r,b-utility?,,(i'll have to compile a new version every day?)
01:08:41pixelmapetur: sorry to say but now compiling fails
01:09:01peturhmmm sorry bout that
01:09:11BigBambiwebguest92: correct, rbutil will not sort out patched versions for you
01:09:15zeleftikamcheers folks!
01:09:16stripwaxwebguest92 - you can update using the rb utility, but what you'll get when you update is just the latest regular build without your patches. so, I think that means 'yes'
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01:09:28stripwaxbut there's nothing stopping you running rb util to update anyway
01:09:30webguest92all i wanted to do is add a couple of patches,,,darn,,,lol
01:09:38kugelMarfugga: Ok, I see. Doesn't work for me either
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01:09:58sophie`hi there :)
01:10:05linuxstbwebguest92: What patches? Maybe you can pursuade people to accept them...
01:10:06BigBambiwebguest92: rbutil installs the official build - it can't possibly create all the millions of possible combinations of patched builds
01:10:08sophie`Can anyone help me ? I just setup Rockbox on my Ipod 5.5
01:10:16sophie`But I'm not able to play any MP3 or MP4 video..
01:10:17BigBambiIf you tell us the problem, sure
01:10:25BigBambiMP4 video is not supported
01:10:29sophie`ok
01:10:30BigBambion MPEG1/"
01:10:33sophie`and MP3 ?
01:10:36BigBambi*2
01:10:43BigBambiMP3 should be fine
01:10:46webguest92i am really happy with the software,,,i just wanted these upgrades ,,,oh well,,,i'll list them ass soon as i get them looked up again,,,give me a sec or two
01:11:01Marfuggakugel: are you still working on that patch? that is to say, will you look into it when you have time?
01:11:02BigBambifor video see www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer
01:11:21BigBambisophie`: What is the problem with MP3?
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01:11:34webguest92http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9088 heres one
01:11:40sophie`No sound, and always at 00:00 / 00:00
01:11:51kugelMarfugga: Try 160,0,-,-,-,-,-
01:12:00scorche|shsophie`: where did you aquire this MP3?
01:12:12BigBambiHow did you transfer them and how are you accessing them? And how did you install rockbox?
01:12:12sophie`From an album I own
01:12:15sophie`Used CDEX to ripp it
01:12:47kugelbesides that I messed up x and y, replacing any of x and y with and - seems not to work (blame JdGordon in this case)
01:13:12peturpixelma: fixed...
01:13:15sophie`And it's strange because If I select "properties" the artist and title are showed. But when trying to play it it says "unknown artist"
01:13:36sophie`it does that for all my MP3
01:13:38Marfuggakugel: it works now
01:13:46BigBambi<BigBambi> How did you transfer them and how are you accessing them? And how did you install rockbox?
01:13:57Marfuggakugel: you pretty much made me able to use my broken ipod again, i love you
01:14:23scorche|sho_O
01:14:24kugelMarfugga: great! I have to thank you too, I didn't know that you cannot replace the first 2 parameters with an -
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01:15:27kugelMarfugga: See, the first parameter is the x, the second is the y coordinate of the top left corner of the viewport. So, you can "optimize" the list viewport even more to fit your broken LCD
01:15:45kugellinuxstb: one more reason to commit custom list vp :P
01:16:16sophie`Solved...;
01:16:20sophie`with a simple reboot of ipod..
01:16:33kugelsophie`: that sounds like windows
01:16:42sophie`what ?
01:16:55BigBambidon't worry
01:17:02kugelsophie`: Rebooting is the magic medicine for windows
01:17:07sophie`lol :P
01:17:08Marfuggakugel: sweet, it's actually a little less than half of my screen that's broken, so i'll play with the values till it fits just right :D
01:17:13sophie`That's why I don't use Windows :P
01:17:18webguest92well i cant find the other two,,,anyways i dont think i'd want to have to compile it again every day
01:17:38kugelalthough, I wouldn't call a reboot a solution, it'll probably happen again
01:17:41sophie`Woaw, videos functions of Rockbox seems to sucks..
01:17:47BigBambiwhy?
01:17:57linuxstbsophie`: On the video ipod it does...
01:18:31sophie`14fps ?!
01:18:42BigBambiYes, we don't know how to use the broadcom chip
01:18:49kugelMarfugga: the 3rd and the 4th parameters are the width and height respectively, as long as you don't need a right margin, you can leave the "-", but you are able to put a margin on the right side too
01:18:50BigBambiAsk Apple to give us the specs
01:18:50linuxstbIt just uses the main CPU to decode the video, not the video processing chip (which is undocumented and therefore unused).
01:19:01BigBambisophie`: However look ast it on the other targets...
01:19:03sophie`Ok. I'm gonna call Steve
01:19:07BigBambiplease do
01:19:11sophie`:P
01:19:16kugelsophie`: generally on ipod G5+, use the OF to watch videos
01:19:19BigBambiIf we had the specs, it would work and not "suck"
01:19:26BigBambiSorry about that
01:19:28sophie`Sorry If you think I was rude :P
01:19:52sophie`I know how hard is to code something like Rockbox :)
01:20:07BigBambiespecially with zero documentation
01:20:15sophie`heheh
01:20:37kugelMarfugga: Am I right that you don't use any other patch now?
01:21:05sophie`Someone knows how to use Rockboy on an ipod video ? All the roms I tried were horrible
01:21:15kugelMarfugga: I'd highly appreciate feedback on the patch (if they are not obviously related to your broken LCD), so feel free to post on the tracker
01:21:16BigBambiHave you looked at the manual?
01:21:30Xqtftqxsophie`: You probly used bad roms
01:21:33***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:21:36sophie`Absolutely BigBambi !
01:21:38sophie`<−−−− *lies*
01:21:45BigBambiWell please do then
01:21:49linuxstbsophie`: You also seem to be going through the worst-performing features in Rockbox (on your particular device - large LCD and relatively slow CPU)
01:22:10Marfuggakugel: Before today I hadn't even tried rockbox, or even used cygwin, and i don't even get on irc
01:22:16sophie`linuxstb: Hey, it's my first time on rockbox so I'm trying to look at all it can do :P
01:22:28kugelMarfugga: You're welcome in any case :)
01:22:33Marfuggakugel: it's the only patch i used :D
01:22:50Marfuggakugel: I was saying i'll deffinately post feedback, just need to think of something to write :D
01:23:18kugelMarfugga: Just to let you know, most plugin (except for the options menu) will not use the list, also the pitch- and recording screen ignore it (as of now)
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01:24:33pixelmapetur: for the logs - progress but still some very weird issuses. Ask my tomorrow about it in case I forget to comment on the tracker, need to get some sleep now too
01:24:36kugelI'm working on the pitchscreen, and petur is working on recording, so those two are likely to be "converted" in the future.
01:24:53sophie`Oh
01:24:56sophie`About Recorder
01:25:00kugelBut I guess you're just happy that you can browse your music again, and that makes me smile too :)
01:25:01sophie`I don't know how it should work
01:25:12Xqtftqxpitchscreen? whats the matter with it?
01:25:25kugelXqtftqx: it doesn't use viewports
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01:25:32sophie`Do I need to plug a microphone on the ipod ? O_o
01:25:41Xqtftqxhuh
01:26:09kugelXqtftqx: Not a problem (IMHO) alone, but required for my custom list vp patch
01:26:10Hillshumto record?
01:26:14sophie`yes
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01:26:33Marfuggakugel: yeah it's like being blind and then being able to see again :) more literal than you'd think hah
01:26:35BigBambiIt only has line in via the dock connector
01:26:37linuxstbsophie`: Your ipod has a line-in connection hidden in the dock connector. You need to build/buy a suitable adapter, then plug something into it.
01:26:45sophie`oh cool
01:26:48sophie`didnt know that
01:27:00Hillshumwhat pins
01:27:37webguest92so is it easier to compile under linux?
01:27:42linuxstbIt was documented on the ipodlinux wiki, so let's hope that returns...
01:27:50kugelMarfugga: To be honest, when creating this patch, I didn't think of people with broken displays, but rather of beatiful themes :P Anyway, I'm happy that you're happy due to my patch
01:27:53sophie`I'm soooo tired
01:27:55sophie`I leave now :)
01:27:58sophie`See you!
01:28:03BigBambisophie`: This is an on-topic channel
01:28:14kugelMarfugga: Actually, I would also be happy if you are happy due to rockbox itself .)
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01:29:02linuxstbwebguest92: Everything is easier under linux. ;) Feel free to discuss in #rockbox-community...
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01:29:39webguest92if i cant discuss compiling rockbox here i guess i cant anywhere
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01:29:59linuxstbOops. A misunderstanding there....
01:30:43kugellinuxstb: Isn't it great that the guy can use his dap again due to rockbox? I definitely think so
01:31:00BigBambiThat's always been true
01:31:06ViperfangI have a creative zen vision:m and would like to try rockbox, can I go back to the original zen firmware?
01:31:17BigBambiI wouldn't be able to use my gigabeat S without Rockbox
01:31:26BigBambiThe OF is just too bad
01:32:29kugellinuxstb: Great idea of you to point him to the custom list patch
01:32:57Viperfangalso, how do I attach a compact flash card to the hard disk connector of the zen? I know its possible as there is talk of it on the info pages.
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01:35:52kugelMarfugga: Be sure that you are using an unsupported build now. So, in case of problems, first contact me
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01:40:54Marfuggakugel: now that you mention it i can't seem to get the database to initialize
01:41:19Marfuggakugel: nothing seems to happen when i select database, except a blank screen, and as soon as i touch the wheel it goes back to menu
01:41:43Marfuggakugel: but i doubt it's got anything to do with your patch
01:46:33kugelMarfugga: Well, I think it does. The database is unitialized by default. When you first select it, you need to confirm "initialize now?" with the select button. You can possibly not read the text, because that message doesn't use the custom list
01:46:54Marfuggakugel: gonna get to sleep now though, i'll be on tomorrow regardless of whether or not i solve it :)
01:47:03Marfuggakugel: oh i'll try pressing center or something then
01:47:08Marfuggaku
01:47:15Marfuggakugel: good night!
01:47:26kugelMarfugga: Now wait. If you are lucky you'll see the half of the splash which tells you to reboot
01:48:21kugelMarfugga: that's the reason you need to contact me first. Most of the time, users of unsupported builds don't think the error is related to the build, which is sometimes a wrong assumtion
01:48:57Marfuggakugel: i pressed the centre button and now it's initializing
01:49:05Marfuggakugel: good call
01:49:46pbryanCan I ask a dumb question, now I've been lurking for a while? Why does RB need to reboot after building database?
01:49:59Marfugganight all! kugel i'll leave you feedback tomororw morning, or rather this morning
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01:50:28kugelMarfugga: have a good night
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01:54:44kugelpbryan: It doesn't always do it
01:54:57kugelI can't tell you the conditions though
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01:55:57kugelSlasheri: I need to have a talk with you! ;)
01:56:11pbryankugel: thx.
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01:58:23kugelpbryan: It's possibly related with the load into ram feature. I can imagine, that if you have enabled this, and there's not enough ram, you'll need to reboot
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02:12:17ViperfangAny response to my queries?
02:12:28kugelDoes anyone know if there's a computer equivalent for crossfeed?
02:13:07kugelViperfang: There's a wiki page which should tell you everything
02:13:16kugelmabe even more wiki pages!
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02:19:03kugelViperfang: Did you find needed information?
02:19:35ViperfangIm gonna work on it tomorrow, bit tired
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02:28:58kugeladvcomp2019: ping
02:29:14advcomp2019kugel, pong
02:29:33kugeladvcomp2019: regarding abi, you are mod, aren't you?
02:29:47advcomp2019yea why
02:30:58kugeladvcomp2019: Coud you please enforce 2 things? when people release themes for rockbox, force them to a) state which build is required (i.e. current build/a specific custom build/required patches) and b(even more important)) a license?
02:32:08kugelit pretty much sucks, when people just post their themes, and do not use a license.
02:34:15MarcGuaySoap: Does Cabbie 2.0 have a license automatically by it's inclusion?
02:36:16advcomp2019i will work on a thread for that.. it might take me a bit unless Llorean or another rockbox dev that looks on their get to it before me
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02:37:18kugeladvcomp2019: Especially regarding the license issue: Non-licensed themes are highly disliked (e.g. forbidding for the upcoming official theme site).
02:37:19MarcGuaySoap: Good luck sorting through all that, by the way. If I have some free time I'll try to chip in.
02:37:45kugelAlso, I have to fight for 2 of the themes in my build, since the authors were to lazy to put a license on it.
02:38:25MarcGuayMost authors probably wouldn't give a crap either way, you just need to tell them to copy and paste something and explain what it means.
02:38:37kugeladvcomp2019: For the other issue: iDop in the sansa rockbox -> finished theme section created confusion, since it basically only works with my build, but the authot didn't tell that
02:39:01advcomp2019i know have updated and modified one that was on the old theme site
02:41:43kugeladvcomp2019, MarcGuay: I'd call abi a major theme repository. And there are loads of themes which are great, but de facto incompatible with rockbox, since they are license-less
02:42:04kugeladvcomp2019: It'd be very nice, if you could pay a bit attention on this 2 issues. I highly appreciate that
02:42:30kugelespecially since I ran into a wall myself due to unlicensed themes
02:44:03advcomp2019yea i might make a sticky about it.. is there a rockbox page with this info of the copyright one mainly so people will say "i am not going to do this because i do not believe you"
02:45:43kugeladvcomp2019: Not that I know of. But, as long as the authors created the theme themselves, they own the copyright. They just need a permissive license for a) people like me, who are willing to redistribute the theme and b) people who wants to update (=modify) the theme.
02:46:17SoapMarcGuay, I am running under the ASSumption that those distributed in SVN are GPL.
02:46:24kugeladvcomp2019: I'd handly it like the upcoming official theme site: If there's no license, there's no theme; if you know what i mean
02:46:40advcomp2019yea
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02:47:06MarcGuaySoap: Nice ASSumption. :) Is that license not similar to by-SA?
02:47:30Soapfor what we want it is similar enough TTBOMK
02:47:31MarcGuayI noticed Cabbie 2.0 had been moved to the graveyard, which seems like an odd contradiction...
02:47:41SoapArchos or Iriver?
02:47:45Soap(H100)
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02:48:11MarcGuayiriver grey
02:48:18kugelI am wonderign: by-sa isn't gpl-compatible. So, is preinstalling them in a package allowed (since the themes are not compiled) or not (since gpl software doesn't do well with non-gpl one)?
02:48:42Soapyea - I'm still in the process of cleaning that one up. I broke some of the links, fixing those now, will get cabbie in a sec.
02:48:46kugelnon-gpl by the means of gpl-incompatible
02:48:52MarcGuaySoap: I have a modified version of it on the e200 page, which I guess I should tag with GPL, then?
02:49:27SoapI'm not going to get to the colour targets tonight, so either fix it now and I'll move it, or fix it later and you can move it then. ;)
02:49:55MarcGuayIs writing "License: GPLv2" enough?
02:50:57Soap_I_ would prefer the license was explicitly stated 1-On the wiki, 2-In the .wps and .cfg files.
02:52:00SoapWould prefer a full chain-of-license in the .wps and .cfg files. ie comments which additively list all modifications.
02:53:07scorche|shkugel: nothing links...
02:53:47*scorche|sh thinks that cc-by-sa is better suited to themes than GPL though
02:55:29kugelscorche|sh: I agree on your latest statement, but I didn't not understand what you meant with "nothing links"
02:56:46scorche|shyou can throw whatever you wish together in a "package" as long as you dont say things like "everything in this package is licensed GPLv2"...your hard drive could be considered a package
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02:56:57scorche|shthe issue comes when GPL code links non-GPL code
02:57:11scorche|shwhich doesnt happen with WPSs
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02:57:33kugelscorche|sh: ah ok, thanks for clearing up
02:58:13kugelscorche|sh: I actually wasn't sure if preinstalling themes into my build is legal
02:58:45scorche|shsure it is...just make sure you abide by whatever licenses they are under and if they arent under any, make sure you have explicit permission
02:59:04scorche|shand distribute the build with licensing info with it, of course
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03:06:19kugelscorche|sh: Yea, Llorean already "forced" me to include license info (I' actually thankful for that)
03:08:22XqtftqxAnybody think a gui tool for creating themes is a good idea? like a vb.net layout kind of thing? users select where they want things and such
03:08:41SoapMarcGuay, maybe you know why the text isn't wrapping on my new "graveyard" pages, My paragraphs are all on one line, forcing a horizontal scroll.
03:08:42scorche|shXqtftqx: it is being worked on as a summer of code project..
03:09:04XqtftqxIt is? i didnt see anything on the summercode page
03:09:05MarcGuaySoap: I noticed that. I'll take a look if you'd like.
03:09:10Soapplease
03:10:07MarcGuaySoap: Strange, they seem fine now...?
03:11:08Soaphttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH100Graveyard ?
03:11:26Soapthe first paragraph does not wrap for me (FF3.0.1)
03:11:48advcomp2019Soap, i have the same issue
03:12:14MarcGuayIt didn't wrap for me the first time I looked at it but they are now. Maybe a page refresh is all it needs?
03:12:23MarcGuay*it is
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03:13:12Soapnot here.
03:13:23Soapalt-F5, it does nothing!
03:14:12Soapahh, it's the <verbatim> text of PeterErakhov's wps which is doing it!
03:14:39Soapand oezuylasi's
03:15:39MarcGuayFF2.0.0.16 is only putting scrollers on those sections.
03:15:48Soapthat's nice
03:15:48MarcGuayAnd leaving the rest alone..
03:16:12MarcGuayThose are monster lines though, damn.
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03:17:23XqtftqxAnybody know how i convert a wav file to a talk file?
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03:22:56kugelwow
03:23:48*MarcGuay wonders when the blank screen in Flyspray will be looked into...
03:23:57kugelthere's just 1 guy who says "do not post this theme elsewhere without my permission", even though he didn't created the theme alone (but with the help of someone who's able to code)
03:25:00MarcGuaykugel: If I was going to give the updated bmp resize a test run, I'd apply which patches?
03:26:54XqtftqxThe latest ones...
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03:28:11XqtftqxMarcGuay: Flyspray loads for me
03:28:44MarcGuayXqtftqx: Click on Tasklist or the Show Task # button.
03:29:07MarcGuayEmpty searches bug out,.
03:29:08advcomp2019kugel or MarcGuay or scorche even, i think you might want to talk to Enzo about themes because i am not thinking right today for sure and i do not want to mistype something that is needed
03:31:56XqtftqxMarcGuay: It still loads
03:32:34MarcGuayXqtftqx: What browser are you using? Anyone else?
03:32:54XqtftqxFirefox 3.0 in ubuntu
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03:34:12MarcGuayXqtftqx: It's giving you a full tasklist? I guess you win some (see convo with Soap above) and lose some (this).
03:34:50Xqtftqxyep
03:34:56Xqtftqxh/o ill show you something
03:35:02MarcGuayXqtftqx: What's the address in the taskbar? "http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/proj1?do=index"?
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03:35:50Xqtftqxhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index/proj1?type=4&order=id&sort=desc&order2=&sort2=
03:35:54Xqtftqxthat page loads for me
03:36:31MarcGuayXqtftqx: Right, but you've filtered for patches. Any search for "all" returns a blank sheet.
03:36:59MarcGuayNo biggie, there are workarounds, but...
03:37:20XqtftqxHuh
03:39:14kugeladvcomp2019: just require any license. Don't force them to use a specific one. You can only say "if you want you theme to be free, use cc-by-sa, else say I do not allow any redistribution or modification"
03:39:35MarcGuayIs the "usual" development order LCD/Buttons -> ATA driver in order to read from the drive and load_firmware()?
03:40:00kugeladvcomp2019: The important fact is: no license means not allowed to resdistribute or modify or anything (no license = *all* rights resevered)
03:40:10MarcGuayI've been going over the read/write stuff for the c100 and would like to make sure I'm heading in the right direction.
03:42:22kugeladvcomp2019: I'd glady talk to the abi staff, but a) they don't like me anymore and b) I'm not an "official rockbox guy", which means they
03:42:30kugel'll probably laugh at me anyway
03:42:49advcomp2019kugel, i know
03:42:58XqtftqxWhat did abi do?
03:43:20kugelXqtftqx: I can't remember anymore actally
03:43:39XqtftqxLol, then why talk to them
03:44:04kugelXqtftqx: The only thing I remember is that they banned me from the irc channel and the forum (in the forums for a short perioid only though)
03:44:21Xqtftqxwhat did you do
03:44:26kugelahh! Wait I remember! I said I didn't like dfkt's theme
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03:44:43kugeldfkt is an admin
03:44:53kugelhe instantly banned from the irc channel for that
03:45:09*Llorean wonders what this discussion has to do with Rockbox.
03:45:31XqtftqxLol, (ok im about to go off topic) "You dont like my car?!? Then you dont get a ride home!!!"
03:45:45kugelexactly
03:45:54LloreanXqtftqx: You don't get to pick to go off topic.
03:46:04Xqtftqxsorry, i had to say that
03:46:08LloreanNo, you didn't.
03:46:10LloreanAnd you won't do it again.
03:46:12LloreanUnderstand?
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03:47:10LloreanThere's an off-topic channel. If you can't resist the urge to talk about non-Rockbox things, do it there, it's that simple.
03:47:27Xqtftqxalright, im sorry
03:48:40advcomp2019Llorean, i think you might want to work on something for the abi forums for the themes since i do not want to mess it up mainly and get yelled at by someone from here :)
03:50:09LloreanI have no idea what you're talking about.
03:52:03advcomp2019kugel, MarcGuay, and maybe Soap know what is going on
03:52:26LloreanWell, I can't work on anything if I don't know what's going on...
03:52:59MarcGuaykugel suggested that the people at ABI tell the people making themes that they should license them.
03:53:06advcomp2019it is something with themes and the licenses
03:53:19LloreanWell, here's what they can be told.
03:53:34Llorean"CC-by-SA" is a popular license that a lot of us like because it gives very similar rights to the GPL.
03:53:53Llorean"CC-by-SA" is also probably the license we'll pick for the new theme site, meaning your theme won't be postable there without it.
03:54:25advcomp2019i wish my head was not hurting after read all this heh
03:54:31LloreanLicenses must be explicit: You have to say, clearly, "You are allowed to do this, this, and this." If you don't say "You are allowed to do X" then people aren't allowed to do it.
03:54:52LloreanPeople can of course license their themes however they like, but being clear about it means that other people can fix them, which is important.
03:55:26scorche|shadvcomp2019: i will bug dfkt next i see him about it
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03:56:23advcomp2019o ok thanks scorche|sh
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04:00:46SoapI'm confused about what my name has been dragged into. ;)
04:01:04Galoissome would say that there are rights of fair use and first sale which exist even when the license does not specifically allow it
04:01:23Soap"first sale" LMFAO
04:01:36Soap"fair use" is a PERSONAL right, not a redistributable right.
04:01:56Galoisindeed, fair use is not a redistributable right. What would it mean to distribute a right anyway?
04:02:29Galoisfair use is a right available to any member of the public. Or at least I've heard rumours that it is. The RIAA of course disagrees strongly with the rumours.
04:02:49SoapI have no idea how anything you are saying is topical, Galois.
04:03:27GaloisI was responding to the claim that Llorean made
04:03:28GaloisIf you don't say "You are allowed to do X" then people aren't allowed to do it.
04:03:38LloreanGalois: In terms of distribution and modification.
04:03:48LloreanWe're clearly discussing distribution licenses here.
04:03:52SoapWe are talking about the redistribution of WPSs. Neither of the legal concepts you threw out there like so much mud against the wall stick. Neither of them grants you the right to redistribute anything in the best of times, and clearly nothing in this situation.
04:04:01Unhelpfuland that is what is being discussed, for example, the case of fixing a theme broken by changes in rockbox
04:04:18Galoisfair use grants the ability to redistribute in certain settings, such as educational.
04:05:02Soapis this one of those settings?
04:05:21Galoisno, but it's overbroad to say as a blanket statement that under all circumstances the license must explicitly allow something before it is allowed
04:05:44SoapNothing Rockbox has done suggests such a straw man.
04:06:01GaloisI agree. I am not responding to anything Rockbox has done. I am responding to one line that Llorean wrote five minutes ago.
04:06:07LloreanGalois: It is fair to say "the license must explicitly allow something before it is allowed, except in cases where law makes an exception"
04:06:17GaloisLlorean: yes, that is certainly correct
04:06:19LloreanI thought legal exception was automatically implied since no license can remove your legal rights.
04:06:40LloreanSince it is physically impossible for them to do so, I thought it would be a reasonable assumption on the reader's end that I was not implying they could.
04:07:05Soap(and I thought "in this context" was automatically implied as my sentences would be even longer if I had to issue a twenty line disclaimer on everything I said in this channel.)
04:07:17*Llorean agrees
04:07:59scorche|shthis is #rockbox...it should be generally accepted that we are referring to how things pertain to Rockbox and not "in general" unless it is explicitely said
04:08:19SoapLooks like many more of the recent target's WPSs are licensed permissively than the two B/W ones I did already.
04:08:40scorche|shSoap: thanks to the little clause on r-t.o
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04:42:46JThundleyI'd like to upload my wps/theme to the wiki, it says I need to ask for wiki write permission first, is that right?
04:44:14MarcGuayYep. What's your full name?
04:44:44MarcGuayDid you register yet? That's the first step.
04:44:49JThundleyyeah I did
04:44:58JThundley<−−- full name
04:45:29JThundleyI might have registered with John Hundley
04:45:43num1might have?
04:45:46MarcGuayI'll need the name you registered with.
04:45:53JThundleyJThundley
04:46:21SoapNot an allowed wiki name
04:46:29MarcGuayI see a John Hundley who registered on July 13th.
04:46:40JThundleythat's me
04:46:51Soap1 - does your theme meet the theme guidelines?
04:47:14JThundleyI followed this page if that's what you mean: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery#WPS_Upload_Guide
04:47:49Soapwhich links to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ThemeGuidelines
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04:49:42SoapYou're registered, just alerting you on the theme expectations.
04:50:55JThundleyit's a good thing you did, I have a few changes to make. I need to specify colors and add some comments to the theme file... Would calling my theme 'jt' would be inappropriate?
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04:51:49SoapI don't think it would be.
04:52:12cool_walking_It could cause confusion if people just refer to "jt" on the forums, without specifying that it's a theme.
04:52:33cool_walking_But that's their problem
04:53:23JThundleyI'll call it jt1 then, in case I ever make another theme :)
04:53:30num1JThundley: fine with us
04:53:49JThundleyrofl
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05:48:00advcomp2019Soap, thanks for that link for the theme guidelines.. i asked someone if there was something like that and they said they did not know
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05:54:55advcomp2019scorche, you do not need to worry now since i saw that link that Soap provided :)
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06:05:20lymecalinuxstb: You around?
06:07:31lymecaI'm redoing my FAT32 partition in fdisk and I don't know which type to choose
06:08:08JThundleylymeca: vfat
06:08:09lymecab W95 FAT32 or c W95 FAT32 (LBA) or e W95 FAT16 (LBA) or f W95 Ext'd (LBA)
06:08:16JThundleyb
06:15:50lymecaJThundley: It won't mount?
06:16:00lymecamount: you must specify the filesystem type
06:16:00JThundleymkfs.vfat /dev/sda1
06:16:08JThundleysudo of course
06:16:12lymecaJThundley: carefule!!
06:16:21JThundleyor whatever your device is
06:16:23lymecaDon't recommend that to inexperienced users, my goodness.
06:16:33JThundley/dev/sda1 is my root partition :)
06:16:38lymecaI have SATA so /dev/sda1 is my root computer partition
06:16:47lymecaMy iPod is /dev/sdb
06:16:53JThundleywell sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1 then
06:16:56lymecaBut why would I want the FIRST partition on it to be vfat?
06:17:07JThundleywhat else would the first partition be?
06:17:08lymecaThe second partition has the data...
06:17:13lymecaRockbox boot loader?
06:17:18lymecaand Apple firmware?
06:17:42JThundleythey use multiple partitions on the ipods? I don't have an ipod
06:17:48lymecaHaha
06:17:58lymecayeah careful on advice giving then
06:18:14lymecaJThundley: before it goes to FAT32, HFS+ iPods have THREE partitions
06:18:22JThundleywell I'm still nudging you in the right direction, I'm sure you know what you're doing
06:18:27lymecaWhen "PC formatted" to FAT32 it goes down to two
06:18:31lymecaYeah...
06:18:32JThundleythat's whacky
06:18:49lymecaOkay so fdisk didn't create the filesystem, just the partition
06:19:00lymecaWhat is the purpose of selecting the "type" in fdisk then?
06:19:01scorchethere should be a wiki page about all this...IpodManualRestore or something liek that
06:19:49lymecascorche: my case is a bit different because of the fact I have a 30GB 4th gen
06:20:00lymecaThere is no MBR image on the wiki for a 30GB 4th gen
06:20:16lymecaI have to tweak the MBR manually and get the filesystem working on it myself
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06:21:04scorcheah
06:21:04lymecaJThundley, linuxstb: But just out of curiosity, if fdisk didn't create the filesystem, then why do I have to select FS type when creating the partition?
06:21:21lymecaThat's the last thing I think I don't understand
06:21:28JThundleyI'm not exactly sure, I've always just done it and not dwelled on it ;)
06:25:08lymecawtf
06:25:15lymecastupid folder icon with eclamation point
06:25:23lymecaWHY CAN'T APPLE MAKE PROPER ERROR MESSAGES
06:26:27lymecaOh shoot, what the hell happened?
06:26:43lymecathe /dev/sdb1 AND /dev/sdb2 are vfat
06:26:54lymecaThat's no good... both are being automounted and both show the same contents.
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06:43:32lymecaOkay I see what I did
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07:43:43___lx_hi all. i've got a problem. some of my files have russian id3 tags. i've changed default codepage to utf-8 and font to unifont. when i'm looking at database i see correct song names, but in the playback screen tags dont look correct. i see ??? instead of tags. could anybody help me? sorry for my english
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07:56:22OneFixHas anyone thought of porting the mp3 decoder used in tuniac to RockBox?
07:56:44scorcheany special reason why?
07:57:51OneFixBecause Tony Million seems to write the best decoders out there. I just found his newest project...I used Sonique up until recently and Tuniac still has the same puch and quality that AudioEnlightenment did
07:58:49scorchei am not well aware of "tuniac"...do you know what he based the codec off of?...if it is fixed point?...in C?...etc?
07:59:16scorcheour mp3 codec works just fine for the moment...
07:59:27OneFixI don't know what he tweaks in mpg123 or how his decoders sound so good, I'm told that they actually break a lot of standards to sound the way they do...but I don't care then because it sounds better than anything I've heard since
07:59:39OneFixscorche: mpg123
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08:01:11OneFixscorche: Yea, I know it does...and I think it sound a little better than the official iPod decoder, but it would be great if I could get the same sound quality out of my portable player
08:02:13scorcheare there RMAA comparisons for this particular codec that would show "how good it sounds" without taking placebo and such into effect?
08:02:15OneFixscorche: http://tuniac.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tuniac/Tuniac1/mp3_Plugin/ <−− for the source code
08:02:18num1_awayCan you describe how it sounds differently that say, the decoder we use?
08:02:35num1_aways/that/than
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08:03:42OneFixThere's more punch to the bass, mids and highs are clearer (mids don't sound muddy) and yet the audio never sounds overdriven
08:04:21scorchethat doesnt tell me anything...is there any objective proof such as RMAA tests?
08:04:59num1_away___lx_: I recommend asking again in about 10 hours, most of the lead developers are not awake at the moment
08:05:13___lx_ok
08:05:40scorcheOneFix: also, that code in in both C++ and is floating point...it wouldnt be very simple to port at all..
08:05:53scorches/in in/is in
08:06:26LinusNnum1_away: most of the european lead developers are soon awake
08:06:48OneFixscorche: Well, I know, but the tweaks he makes might not be as hard to impliment
08:06:48GodEaterthose that aren't still on holiday anyway ;)
08:07:17LinusNOneFix: regardless of how "good" it sounds, we prefer decoding as accurate as possible
08:07:17scorcheOneFix: such as?...and i still havent seen anything that might prove "the quality" of this codec...
08:07:40LinusNthis sounds more like an EQ tweak
08:07:58num1_awayI stand corrected. But I was under the assumption the european developers mainly worked at their night, as opposed to in their morning. (Wheras I'm just about to hit the sack)
08:08:48LinusNnum1_away: that might be somewhat true
08:09:10LinusN___lx_: which WPS theme are you using?
08:09:45OneFixscorche: Well, if you remember the days of WinAmp 2 and Sonique, there was a big war between the 2 and WinAmp 3 tried to compete with Sonique, but Sonique was sold to Lycos and Lycos let it flounder. The 2 best things Sonique had fgoing for it were the interface and the MP3 decoder
08:10:00___lx_LinusN> cabbiev2
08:10:16LinusN___lx_: ...with a unicode font?
08:10:20scorcheOneFix: i dont remember that, but this still sint telling me anything
08:10:41scorcheOneFix: regardless, i very much doubt this codec would be ported unless you were to do it yourself
08:11:04___lx_<LinusN> is font included into theme? i selected _unifont_ in menu
08:12:08LinusN___lx_: ok, then the unicode font should be used in the wps
08:12:13OneFixscorche: And because AudioEnlightenment (the decoder) sounded better to most of us with *ears*, there were lots of tests about how inaccurate it was at decoding and yet anyone that listened to it could tell the difference from the start. The audio just sounds more alive.
08:12:22LinusNcan i have one of those songs?
08:12:47___lx_just a minute )
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08:14:00scorche"with *ears*?"...i dont get what you are trying to say...also, inaccuracy is not one of the things we desire in our codecs...also, i very much doubt your "anyone" comments
08:14:08scorche[23:12:34] <scorche> OneFix: regardless, i very much doubt this codec would be ported unless you were to do it yourself
08:14:18OneFixscorche: Have you heard of musikCube?
08:14:35scorcheno
08:18:29LinusNhehe, i just read an old MP3 decoder comparison, where Sonique was "Terrible" and MAD was "Very Good" :-)
08:19:28scorcheLinusN: isnt audiologica great? =P
08:19:30GodEaterLinusN: if the decoder doesn't sound like a Bag of Shit, I'm not interested frankly.
08:19:38LinusNHAHAHA
08:20:32___lx_LinusN −−- http://www.sendspace.com/file/zxfp3h
08:21:28GodEaterI think we have that as a unique feature of our decoder, and I wouldn't want to squander it. What other application can say that they sound like a bag of shit? No-one, that's who.
08:21:47OneFixLinusN: There were many that went the other way as well. Almost all of them that said Sonique was horrible were testing how close to the origonal it was...which dosn't exactly work in the real world
08:23:17scorcheOneFix: all of this is conjecture and opinions...
08:23:22LinusN___lx_: does it help setting the default codepage to cyrillic?
08:26:32___lx_LinusN> thank you ) i'm stupid :D i though my tags were in unicode. sorry for lame question
08:26:49OneFixscorche: Yea, I know...but you can do you own objective comparison and I still get people that love the sound of Sonique when comparied to more contemporary decoders and I can see the same quality in tuniac
08:27:16LinusNOneFix: does that apply to all kinds of music and all kinds of earphones?
08:27:30LinusNi suspect that it won't
08:27:31OneFixLinusN: Everything I've put up against it
08:27:56scorcheOneFix: i also know people that love 64kbps mp3 files..."what people like" varies wildly
08:28:01scorchebut... [23:16:01] <scorche> [23:12:34] <scorche> OneFix: regardless, i very much doubt this codec would be ported unless you were to do it yourself
08:28:34LinusNregardless, it's not the job of the decoder to shape the audio different from the original
08:28:38*GodEater has deja vu
08:28:53OneFixscorche: I know :)
08:29:33LinusNthis reminds me of the "audiophiles" that reviewed the 5-band hardware eq in rockbox
08:29:42LinusNwhich never existed
08:29:47OneFixLinusN: Well, that's a differing opinion...since MP3 cuts out some of that origonal sound, I would argue that it's the job of the decoder to make the data it is given sound the best that it can
08:29:51scorchehahaha...i did love that
08:30:16LinusNOneFix: yes, and "best" in this case is nothing else than "close to the original"
08:31:05LinusNOneFix: and "original" means the uncompressed version
08:31:25OneFixLinusN: Well, if everyone cared about exacting detail, we would al be using FLAC
08:31:43*scorche uses FLAC...
08:32:25LinusNOneFix: you have a point there
08:32:55OneFixscorche: And so do I for some stuff...and I use OGG for a good bit of stuff too...bot most people use MP3
08:33:07*GodEater would much rather his mp3 decoder didn't "make stuff up as it went along" thanks
08:33:19scorchenot a point that says that trying to be as accurate as possible isnt the way to go
08:33:53LinusNOneFix: still, i think a decoder should always strive for accuracy
08:34:47OneFixI'm told (and this comes from old reviews that may or may not be available) that the decoder introduces what can only be termed as some "error" that is pleasing to the ear. So while it might not be as accurate as mpg123 was origonally, it is prefered over the origonal.
08:35:44*GodEater would argue "it's not preferred here"
08:35:49LinusNOneFix: that is probably true, but is it pleasing to all ears?
08:35:53OneFixKind of like how a lot of DVD encoders run a sharpen filter first to make the video seem clearer
08:35:55scorchereally...you can stop saying all of these things that you have heard...
08:36:07scorchei dont see that this conversation is going to get anywhere...
08:36:17scorcheare you here to try and convince a developer to port it for you?
08:38:35OneFixNo, I was origonally asking if there was anyone that had looked at the decoder. The next question would be, can it be done? Or in other words, has anyone replaced a plugin in RockBox?
08:39:14GodEaterwhy would you replace one? You'd have it as an additional. And you mean "codec" not "plugin"
08:39:18scorcheOneFix: as i have already said, the porting would be non-trivial as the code that you pointed to is both in C++ and uses floating point
08:39:42scorcheamong other reasons
08:40:07LinusNhowever, it would surely be interesting to know what it does to the sound to make it sound "better"
08:40:31OneFixok, no problem...just interested...maybe that's why we havent heard a portable device that sounds like it
08:41:47OneFixhttp://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t42660.html <−− here's a link that may help in explaining some of the reasons it sounds better...
08:41:54*GodEater goes to download tuniac to see if he can even tell the difference
08:43:02GodEateroh good lord, it's windows crap
08:43:45OneFixGodEater: Yea, I know...that's the other thing I would like to fix...which might be eaiser (port it to Linux)
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08:44:02GodEaterhow do you even know it's output isn't being butchered by DirectX ?
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08:44:58OneFixGodEater: Because at least Sonque could use the RAW audio output
08:45:29OneFixI haven't checked it in Tuniqc yet, but I would hope that's the default now too
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09:29:07GodEaterwhat is the default sort order in flyspray ?
09:30:25linuxstbI think it's sorted by priority first, then date
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09:33:28GodEaterah thanks
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09:48:03linuxstbNico_P: Can remote WPSs have album-art?
09:50:42pixelmano (as far as I know). That would mean searching for 2 album art images would be needed. Technically the Iaudio remote could though as album art is enabled on greyscale...
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09:51:04linuxstbpixelma: I'm thinking about the upcoming (?) bmp resize patch.
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09:53:38Nico_Plinuxstb: I think they can have it, but it most likely won't show. I'm checking the code
09:54:39Nico_Preally I'm not sure what would happen if both had AA
09:55:09LinusNsounds like a nearly useless feature, but i think we should support it if it isn
09:55:16LinusN't a big problem
09:55:32linuxstbI would expect to see colour remotes at some point as well...
09:56:20pixelmasome people already asked about 2 album art images in the main WPS (for the back or the next track album art)...
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09:59:53linuxstbNico_P: Have you looked at the latest album-art bmp resize patch? IIUC (which I may not...) it loads the bmp temporarily into the audio buffer, then resizes it into the audio buffer, then discards the original version.
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10:00:22Nico_PI think it's the reverse
10:00:59Nico_P... or not. I read too fast
10:01:30Nico_Pbut no, I haven't had a look at it yet. I should though
10:07:02*petur wonders if Bagder is already around....
10:07:46LinusNhe is on vacation, but doesn't log off IRC when he is away, for some reason
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10:08:30peturLinusN: did you know the build server needs some poking?
10:08:44LinusNi didn't know
10:08:54LinusNlemme check
10:08:54peturlast build 2 days ago
10:11:30pixelmareading the log reminds me that I wanted to contact the main cabbiev2 author and ask him about switching to nimbus fonts as that one at least has greek/cyrillic/hebrew letters in all font sizes...
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10:14:21pixelmapetur: tried the rec_v12 patch, peakmeters move now and the trigger screen doesn't talk but I already found 2 other problems. Should I comment on it in the tracker or here?
10:14:34peturtracker please
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10:17:38peturthanks for testing, btw
10:17:42linuxstbNico_P: Regarding the bmp resize, something I'm not sure about is what happens if there isn't enough room in the buffer to load the original image. Is loading delayed, or the image ignored? Also, does it take care of the buffer wraparound?
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10:20:45Nico_Plinuxstb: depends where the original image is loaded. I thought it was in the image buffer, but if it's in the audio buffer there'll be no wraparound and it there's not enough room the track loading will be aborted
10:21:07Nico_P(because it means the buffer is full so it's not worth loading any audio data)
10:22:13Nico_Phmm actually no sorry, failing to load AA doesn't abort the buffering of the song
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10:39:56nyeonawayhello everyone, can anyone help me to define playlist?
10:40:03LinusNdefine?
10:40:08nyeonawayto create
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10:40:27LinusNthere are many ways
10:40:42nyeoNlike how?
10:40:51LinusNwhat part of the manual didn't you understand?
10:41:37LinusNnyeoN: which target?
10:41:53nyeoNjust a playlist with favorite songs...
10:42:04LinusNnyeoN: which target?
10:42:14LinusNas in "which player do you have"
10:42:23nyeoNoh sansa e200
10:42:49LinusNhttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-670004.4.2
10:43:40nyeoNbtw can you help me choose good earphones for running?
10:44:06LinusNnot really :-)
10:44:21LinusNthat depends on what you define as "good"
10:45:07LinusNstill, i have had the same headphones for years, so i don't know what other headphones there are nowadays :-)
10:46:18nyeoNwell I've read the manual but still cant figure how to create the playlist with couple of songs I choose
10:46:49peturphew... all green
10:47:51nyeoNLinusN can you guide me? :D
10:48:07LinusNnyeoN: now you can help us update the manual by telling us what you don't understand
10:48:22LinusNwhat did you try and what happened?
10:48:28nyeoNplaylist submenu what is that?
10:50:15nyeoNwell I got into playlist but I dont see where can I insert songs I want to... it just created a playlist by itself
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10:51:59LinusNnyeoN: i assume you are browsing the file tree?
10:52:13nyeoNwhat?
10:52:28LinusNare you looking at the file list?
10:52:35LinusNor are you using the database?
10:52:45nyeoNfile list.
10:53:04LinusNgood, now go to a directory where the songs you want to add are
10:53:31nyeoNthere are no directore
10:53:33nyeoNthere are no directorires
10:53:43LinusNall files in one directory?
10:53:57nyeoNyes
10:54:32LinusNplace the cursor on the file you want to add and hold the SELECT button to pop up the context menu
10:54:50LinusNi don't have a sansa so i don't know which button that is
10:55:11LinusNin the context menu you can select "playlist catalog"
10:56:53LinusNif this is the first time you can now select "Add to new playlist" and then enter the name of the new playlist
10:57:29GodEaterHappy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy biiiiirthday dear Nico_P, happy birthday to yoooooooou.
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10:57:53LinusNfor subsequent songs, you do the same thing, but select "Add to playlist" instead
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10:58:26nyeoNI did that
10:58:38LinusNoh, it's Nico_P's birthday? Congratulations Nico_P!!!!!!!!
10:58:51nyeoNopened new playlist added one song, now I open the menu press playlist and insert and the song isnt in the playlist menu...
10:58:51LinusNnyeoN: good, now you have a playlist
10:59:17LinusNnyeoN: it's "playlist catalog", not "playlist"
10:59:41nyeoNI press view current playlist...
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11:00:03LinusNthe current playlist is the one you are playing at the moment
11:00:49LinusNto find the playlist catalog, go to the main menu and select "Playlists", then "View catalog"
11:01:12nyeoNdid that but only one song is showing up instead of the seven I added
11:01:54LinusNthen you did something wrong
11:02:21LinusNdid you really add the other 6 to the same playlist, using the playlist catalog?
11:02:51nyeoNok I figured that out thanks :D
11:03:10LinusNso it works for you now?
11:03:34nyeoNyes thanks
11:03:37LinusNi'm glad i could help
11:03:42LinusNcan i ask a favour in return?
11:05:02Nico_Pthank you GodEater and LinusN :)
11:05:16GodEater:D
11:05:16nyeoNyes you can
11:06:17LinusNnyeoN: please take a few minutes and see if you can find a way to improve the manual, to make it more clear
11:07:31nyeoNnp
11:08:43LinusNthanks
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11:11:03*petur hands Nico_P some birthday cake
11:13:52peturLinusN: had a good vacation?
11:14:41LinusNpetur: yup, it was nice - which made getting back to work so much more painful :-)
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11:15:06peturLinusN: I can tell, you're so nice and friendly :p
11:15:16LinusNhahaha
11:15:34LinusN...which i normally isn't? ;-)
11:16:05petur;)
11:16:20*GodEater tries to remember who it was said "the RSB is composed of the five grumpiest developers we have" recently
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11:16:53peturgrumpyness is a requirement for the RSB!
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11:17:22peturLinusN should be replaced!
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11:17:34LinusNGodEater: hahahaha
11:18:33linuxstbGodEater: That was me ;)
11:19:01*GodEater couldn't actually think of many more cheerful developers to have on it..
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11:40:55mcuelenaereNico_P: Congrats! :)
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11:42:48Nico_Pthanks :)
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12:06:00mcuelenaererasher: I read from the logs you had a look at working on the theme site; how far did you get?
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12:06:50rashermculeneare: Not much farther than having a look around and figuring out how it works
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12:07:45robin0800How do you build sansapatcher on vmware?
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12:08:28linuxstbrobin0800: Look at the README file in rbutil/sansapatcher
12:09:26robin0800linuxstb, thanks will do
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12:21:35robin0800did the read me but no exe file made is this broken or did i do something wrong?
12:21:58linuxstbIt wouldn't make an .exe, you're compiling in Linux...
12:22:38robin0800can i make one that runs in windows?
12:22:40linuxstbDo you have the mingw32 cross-compiler installed ? I don't know if that's a standard part of the Rockbox vmware images.
12:22:53rasherIs apps/ really required to build rbutil?
12:23:30linuxstbPossibly for the voice stuff? Or the speex encoder?
12:23:56linuxstbrobin0800: Does typing "i586-mingw32msvc-gcc −−version" work?
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12:24:42salty-horsehi. what's the difference between rbutil/e200patcher and rbutil/sansapatcher?
12:25:06linuxstbe200rpatcher is for the e200r - it's a different install procedure.
12:25:54salty-horseoops. missed the 'r' :)
12:26:03linuxstbsansapatcher modifies the firmware partition directly. On the e200r, the firmware partition isn't accessible, so e200rpatcher using "manufacturer mode" on the e200r to upload a little program which then modifies things.
12:26:48robin0800I had it installed before but it probably needs to be reinstalled could things like this be included in the next vmware image it would make life easier
12:30:20linuxstbrobin0800: It should just be a matter of typing "apt-get install mingw32" (as root)
12:30:29linuxstbMaybe running "apt-get update" first
12:30:53*petur stubles upon the sourceforge pages for rockbox and thinks some admin should clear them out to prevent confusion
12:30:53salty-horselinuxstb, the README in the e200rpatcher dir is much more detailed than sansapatcher's. do you mind updating it with instructions on how to build the two required firmware files (that you have to build the bootloaders with tools/configure)
12:32:08linuxstbsalty-horse: The wiki contains lots of information on how to compile Rockbox (both the main builds and bootloaders). I'm not sure it's worth duplicating that information.
12:33:07salty-horselinuxstb, I disagree. the source tree should have that information as well. otherwise, why not delete all README's then, if they're in the wiki?
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12:33:16linuxstbOr are you simply looking for the same level of instructions as in the e200rpatcher README - i.e. "select e200, then B for bootloader"
12:33:42linuxstbsalty-horse: Do you know how many different wiki pages there are about compiling? For lInux, vmware, cygwin, .....
12:35:38salty-horselinuxstb, I am simply looking for the "GENERAL BUILD INSTRUCTIONS" section (with the pre-requisites) −− it could be in addition to the binary download location (unless they're out of date - then they should be removed)
12:39:15linuxstbsalty-horse: As the README states, those URLs always contain the latest bootloaders. We would recommend that users always use the official bootloader binaries (which are tested before release), not ones built from a randomly selected SVN version. But yes, I accept that README could be more verbose, and would be happy to commit changes to it if someone writes them...
12:39:45salty-horseok. I'll try editing
12:40:27salty-horsebtw, are you admitting to rockbox having "releases"? :D
12:40:39linuxstbThe bootloaders have releases.
12:41:17linuxstbAnd I seem to recall my grandparents talking about Rockbox releases...
12:41:21salty-horseso should there be a warning about compiling your own untested bootloaders?
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12:42:22BigBambisalty-horse: The extent of that warning depends very much on the target
12:42:37salty-horseBigBambi, I'm focusing on sansapatcher's README :)
12:42:38linuxstbsalty-horse: Yes. On the Sansas, it's not that serious, as you should always be able to go into recovery mode and copy an original firmware mi4 file, which will overwrite a bad Rockbox bootloader. So it should at least warn that SVN bootloaders are untested, and therefore not guaranteed to work.
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12:47:01mcuelenaerelinuxstb: the ini file you're talking about in the theme site README, is this available in that theme_dump.tgz or do I need to make it myself?
12:47:53salty-horsecan someone close this bug please? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7526
12:48:15mcuelenaeresalty-horse: on it
12:48:19salty-horse:D
12:48:26salty-horseI was just looking for you
12:49:01mcuelenaerebleh LinusN was faster
12:49:06LinusNmuhahahaaaa!
12:49:11mcuelenaere:)
12:49:21mcuelenaereI had a nice text description..
12:50:12LinusNi didn't have time for that :-P
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12:50:23LinusNotherwise you would have won
12:50:36mcuelenaereme neither, someone else clicked the Close button faster..
12:51:11linuxstbmcuelenaere: Hmm, seems I forgot some bits... There should have been a PHP/ini.php file, which you edit, rather than a .ini file.
12:51:28mcuelenaerelinuxstb: could you commit that file?
12:51:42linuxstbmcuelenaere: If I still have it...
12:52:10salty-horsecan anyone consider these fonts for inclusion in the tree? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8877
12:52:24mcuelenaerelinuxstb: hmm ini.php also seems to be missing
12:53:18linuxstbmcuelenaere: Only the ini.php is needed. I'm looking at it now.
12:53:33mcuelenaereok
12:55:51linuxstbmcuelenaere: Committed
12:55:59mcuelenaereok
12:56:02*linuxstb wonders why rasher didn't mention that...
12:57:54rasherlinuxstb: I just made one up
12:58:31mcuelenaerehmm globals..
12:58:50linuxstbHow can you have configuration variables without using globals?
12:58:57mcuelenaereshouldn't these be defines?
12:59:13*linuxstb allows people that know php better than him to get on with it....
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13:02:47*pixelma doesn't understand why some translated languages use English in their voice strings
13:08:46linuxstbpixelma: For all the voice strings, or just some?
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13:12:55pixelmalinuxstb: I mean the ones that have all voice strings in English, see hebrew.lang as an example
13:13:33pixelmaor the new arabic.lang
13:13:39linuxstbThat does seem odd... Maybe they don't realise you can use a voice file from a different language to the lang file
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13:15:17pixelmayes and would make life hard for ones that actually have the right tts engine/voice
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13:18:54pixelmaI wonder whether it would be possible to create a script that copies the "dest" strings into the "voice" part and run that on the affected languages, seems tedious to do it manually...
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13:22:49pixelmasome also have empty voice strings
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13:25:12peturyeah, and some were clearly edited by idiots :/
13:26:47*petur spots a new BOFH episode an uses that to get his mind off .lang
13:27:06salty-horselinuxstb, here's my README suggestion: http://pastebin.com/m4a2f03
13:30:43linuxstbsalty-horse: Looks good. Is the name attached to your flyspray account your real name?
13:30:53salty-horseyes
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13:35:50linuxstbsalty-horse: Thanks, committed.
13:35:59salty-horsethanks
13:36:13linuxstbI expanded the "why we recommend official bootloader" paragraph a little as well.
13:37:41mcuelenaerelinuxstb: are you ok with it if I go change some things on the theme site like renaming/deleting/moving variables and other perhaps fundamental changes?
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13:38:32linuxstbmcuelenaere: I'm not working on it any more, so I don't mind. I don't know if rasher was planning on changing things though. But it may be a good idea to commit to SVN often...
13:38:47mcuelenaereok; rasher: what do you think?
13:40:31*linuxstb wonders if it would make any sense for the theme site to commit uploaded themes to an svn repository...
13:41:07*linuxstb stops wondering and gets back to work
13:42:27peturgood idea though
13:42:32rashermcuelenaere: I haven't planned anything, so if you go ahead with something, that'd be fine
13:42:41mcuelenaereok
13:43:31pixelmapetur: the mistakes in the features and the trouble with "none" in hebre.lang seem to have been introduced in r15114. The commit message mentions that it is taken from FS #7957 which in turn mentions "Used rasher's Online Translator web interface."...
13:43:43pixelmahebrew too
13:43:55peturso we blame rasher?
13:44:21rasherpixelma: What exactly is this mistake?
13:44:35rasherI understand it's to do with none vs "", but what are the details?
13:44:38pixelmarasher: see petur's commit
13:45:29rasherThat doesn't really explain why those changes were made
13:46:06pixelmasome strings had "" in the dest or voice part for the default case where it should be "none" and some didn't have the translated string in the "features:" part but for the default case
13:46:33rasherI'm pretty sure the latter is the fault of the translator, and not me
13:46:47rasherIe. he didn't notice the source had changed
13:47:00pixelmamaybe
13:47:04rasherHowever, in which cases should none be used, where "" won't do?
13:47:22rasherpixelma: The same thing would happen with genlang if you don't notice the changed source
13:47:46peturrasher: must be identical to english.lang....
13:48:29rasheralright, so I just mirror all occurances of "" and none from english.lang into the result? Should work
13:48:43pixelmait seems that the "none" needs to be the same in the <dest> and <voice> as it is in the source
13:49:01rasherActually, I'm going to blame this on the translator as well, because I clearly instruct that you should "translate" none into none
13:49:06peturbut not the ""
13:49:09rasherBut I guess I could add some more magic
13:49:30pixelmayeah, maybe that tool just makes it seem too easy ;)
13:50:12pixelmashould have been a :)
13:50:42mcuelenaerelinuxstb: do you normally run PHP files with display_errors off?
13:51:05linuxstbI don't know...
13:51:10rashermcuelenaere: you should
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13:51:32mcuelenaererasher: why? if in test phase isn't it easier to see the errors?
13:52:36mcuelenaereBTW are url rewritings with .htaccess on the server supported?
13:52:37rashermcuelenaere: yeah, that's what I meant
13:52:40mcuelenaereok
13:52:57rasherActually, I like to turn on notices as well
13:53:17rasherI'd be surprised if mod_rewrite wasn't available
13:53:43mcuelenaereok, notices are on (the 'error' I was talking about was a notice :) )
13:55:12mcuelenaereis mixing php with html allowed? ( http://pastebin.com/d2ea67da4 )
13:58:54linuxstbmcuelenaere: Isn't that just a matter of personal style? Personally I like to keep .php files as PHP.
13:59:30mcuelenaereyes it's a matter of taste, but perhaps there were some styling guidelines like there are when submitting code to Rockbox..
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14:00:01linuxstbI think we're free to create them now... This is the first PHP website as part of Rockbox...
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14:28:22sparkeateris anyone here?
14:28:38LinusNsparkeater: nope, we are 136 bots
14:28:51sparkeaterI've got an iriver h300 running a 60gb hard drive, a while ago rockbox stopped booting but the standard firmware still works
14:29:04sparkeaterand when I put in the 40gb hard drive rockbox boots fine, same with the stock firmware
14:29:30LinusNsparkeater: what is the error message?
14:29:42sparkeaterwith the 60 I dunno what happened but it doesn't load past the battery voltage
14:29:47sparkeaterthere is none
14:29:51sparkeaterit just refuses to load
14:29:59sparkeaterit says the battery voltage then nothing happens
14:30:01LinusNoh, that sounds weird
14:30:23*petur thinks it sounds familiar
14:30:29sparkeaterbut with the other drive it's fine. and the stock firmware loads fine too
14:30:36LinusNsparkeater: so you can use the original firmware to play music?
14:30:42sparkeateryeah
14:30:52sparkeaterbut obviously I want rockbox
14:30:54peturbootloader v5?
14:31:01LinusNand rockbox stopped working all of a sudden?
14:31:01sparkeateryes
14:31:07sparkeaterbootloader v5
14:31:14sparkeaterit just stopped working randomly
14:31:24mcuelenaerepixelma: any idea how to fix the height problem of http://veldrijden.info/themes_rockbox/index.php?model=ipodvideo ? I based it on your site
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14:33:12sparkeaterI flashed the firmware a couple of times, I reloaded the patched iriver firmware but that didn't help, I flashed the original korean firmware and that worked, then flashed the rockbox modded .hex firmware and it did the same thing, rockbox just refused to load past the part where it says the battery voltage
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14:34:07sparkeaterwhat should I try?
14:34:26LinusNdoes it matter if you have tha charger inserted?
14:34:39sparkeaterI'mnot sure
14:35:10sparkeateroh, actually, I inserted the usb cable, it goes to the rockbox bootloader screen
14:35:37pixelmamcuelenaere: that shows the problem with different high divs (due to the different description lengths), I set the min-height so it fits the largest one (in "em"s (size of the m in the font used so it works with a few browser fonts but isn't 100% reliable either) - and you can't automate it, the only chance would be to restrict the length of the descriptions...
14:35:38LinusNsparkeater: do you hear the hard drive spin?
14:35:44sparkeaterthen I unplug it and it goes up to the same point
14:35:57LinusNsparkeater: can you access the drive in usb mode?
14:36:28sparkeaterum
14:36:55mcuelenaerepixelma: well we could restrict the length's description
14:37:01pixelmamcuelenaere: not nice too. As I said, there are downsides too
14:37:12peturLinusN: if you want him to try an SVN bootloader, then http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/CFModGuide/H300.zip is a tested version
14:37:12sparkeaterI could never access the drive in bootloader mode
14:37:37sparkeaterit was working up until the other day
14:37:54sparkeaterand the same firmware boots with the other 40gb drive, the stock iriver one
14:38:10mcuelenaerepixelma: we could use scrollbars, but those are... ugly
14:38:42LinusNsparkeater: have you done a scandisk?
14:38:55sparkeaterI tried with easyrecovery professional
14:39:00sparkeateritt said there were no physical errors
14:39:28LinusNok
14:39:53LinusNthen i am at a loss
14:39:56sparkeaterdo you think it's a drive error? why would the standard firmware work but rockbox just stop functioning all of a sudden
14:41:06LinusNsomething could have happened to the hardware, and that rockbox can
14:41:09LinusNt handle it
14:41:25sparkeaterbut with the 40gb drive it functions fine
14:41:26pixelmamcuelenaere: would there be a possibility to automatically find the height the longest description would take in the user's browser? Though I doubt it...
14:41:29LinusNor the partition table has changed in a way that makes rockbox crash
14:41:45LinusNsparkeater: the hardware includes the hard drive
14:41:57mcuelenaerepixelma: I can get a strlen() and divide it into lcd_width*font_width ?
14:41:59sparkeaterhow should I alter the partitions
14:42:06mcuelenaeredivide it with*
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14:42:28sparkeaterit said there were no physical errors with the 60gb drive
14:42:49pixelmawould that work when someone doesn't use the browser full-screen?
14:43:12LinusNsparkeater: and you believe that a pc program can diagnose all the electronic components inside a hard drive?
14:43:13mcuelenaerepixelma: this is the scrollbar result: http://veldrijden.info/themes_rockbox/index.php?model=ipodvideo
14:43:31mcuelenaerepixelma: I'll test it
14:43:38sparkeaterwell easy recovery proffessional has done stuff that NO other software has
14:43:45sparkeaterit's pretty damn good
14:43:52*petur wonders if mcuelenaere is into veldrijden ;)
14:44:00mcuelenaere:P
14:44:04LinusNthe "no physical errors" means that the *media* is OK, not the electronics
14:44:45LinusNstill, i am pretty sure it is a flaw in rockbox
14:45:16sparkeaterbut rockbox has been working fine for a long time
14:45:32LinusNbut since you don't remember the circumstances when it happened, we have a hard time finding it
14:45:37sparkeaternow it refuses to load at all past the battery voltage part
14:45:57LinusNi have a h120 back home that exhibits the same problem
14:46:13sparkeaterbut the 40gb drive is fine
14:46:16pixelmamcuelenaere: don't like the scrollbars too much, especially that they force horizontal scrolling too because of the space the vertical scrollbar takes
14:46:17LinusNwith the slight difference that the original firmware fails as well :-)
14:46:20sparkeaterit loads rockbox perfectly
14:46:30mcuelenaerepixelma: yes that's one downside
14:46:40mcuelenaereI can make the horizontal space bigger though
14:47:01mcuelenaeresomething like this
14:47:08LinusNsparkeater: for example, the buffer chip in the ATA hardware could have been damaged to the point where the fastest ATA timing will break
14:47:53LinusNiirc, rockbox live on the edge when it comes to ata timing on the h-series
14:48:16LinusNlives
14:48:28mcuelenaerepixelma: do you know a way to get the font width of a font in HTML/CSS ? or to set it?
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14:49:19sparkeaterata hardware in the iriver?
14:49:23LinusNyes
14:49:39sparkeaterdamnit.
14:49:56LinusNthat's just a guess
14:50:04sparkeaterI hope that's wrong
14:50:25LinusNwell, since the original firmware works, there must be something that rockbox does wrong
14:51:05pixelmamcuelenaere: no. And forcing a certain font on the user is somewhat ugly in my opinion. I wouldn't like such a page
14:51:24mcuelenaerenever mind, it was a mistake on my side
14:51:27mcuelenaereI meant the font height
14:51:36mcuelenaereand AFAIK this is the same as font-size?
14:51:53sparkeaterbut I change the hard drive back to the 40gb and rockbox loads up on that just fine
14:52:27LinusNsparkeater: so?
14:52:57sparkeaterI don't know. that's why I'm asking
14:53:09LinusNsparkeater: tha 40gb hard drive may very well be different hardware wise
14:53:20sparkeaterno they're identical
14:53:24sparkeatersingle platter
14:53:25LinusNdraws less current, better signal wuality on the bus etc
14:53:43sparkeatersame code, 400gah and 600gah or someting like that
14:53:44LinusNif they were identical, they would both be 60GB
14:53:55sparkeaterI mean they're not drastically different
14:54:17sparkeaterI didn't come here to argue I came to ask for some advice on how to get rockbox working again
14:54:24LinusNi know
14:54:37LinusNi am trying to determine what to try
14:55:08LinusNthe first thing you could do is to repartition and reformat the 60GB drive
14:55:40LinusNif that doesn't help, we would have to try some bootloader changes
14:58:06sparkeaterrepartition it exactly the same?
14:58:18LinusNyes
14:58:21sparkeaterhow will it boot with the formatted drive
14:58:31sparkeateroh, the stock fw
14:58:33LinusNremove all partitions first and then partition it again
14:59:00sparkeaterwould't that be enough
14:59:13*petur advises swissknife to repartition if you're on windows
14:59:17sparkeaterjust over write the dat aleft on there
14:59:43sparkeaterI use partition magic
14:59:49petureven better
14:59:52sparkeater8.something
14:59:54peturif you have it ;)
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15:00:16sparkeaterI'll do that
15:00:18petur(swissknife is free, that is why I mentioned it)
15:00:23sparkeaterit took SO long to copy all my music over
15:02:22LinusNsparkeater: at least you have your data elsewhere. there have been others who lost their entire collection because they had it only on their player (!)
15:03:05*petur counts and figures he has his entire music collection on 5 different places
15:03:21sparkeaterI've got mine on about 3 places
15:03:30peturuhm... 6 places :)
15:03:37sparkeaterlast time I lost a whole player
15:03:39LinusNhmmm, 2
15:04:02GodEaterpetur: does swissknife do partitioning as WELL as formatting then?
15:04:32peturyes, but it is unable to convert a superfloppy into a proper partitioned disk
15:04:53petursuperfloppy = partitionless disk
15:05:29peturunless you wipe the first sector with a hex editor I think...
15:06:34LinusNhow lame
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15:07:01peturneither can the windows disk manager :(
15:07:22peturalthough Galois would say that is to be expected
15:08:37LinusNmust be a windows thing then
15:09:25peturnah, I'm sure partitionmagic can do it... if they can't then it is windows ;)
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15:10:16*petur no longer has it installed - can't check :(
15:10:35sparkeaterhow do I try different bootloaders?
15:11:16petursparkeater: you receive them from us ;)
15:11:28peturus being mostly LinusN ;)
15:11:49sparkeaterso how can I try one
15:11:50LinusN:-)
15:12:40peturyou could try the one I linked earlier
15:13:13peturbut that is just a more recent one that has some issues on some devices, so maybe not such a good idea
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15:15:31sparkeaterI get the choice between rockbox + 40gb and iriver firmware + 60gb
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15:27:55petursparkeater: although a mighty bit of work (depending the number of files), the suggestion to repartition is actually the best thing to test first.
15:28:22sparkeaterwell, I use mp3s
15:28:27sparkeaterthere are a lot of files
15:28:31sparkeaterbut I'll try that
15:28:49peturgood luck
15:29:09sparkeaterrepartition then just load the same version of rockbox I was using?
15:29:36peturfirst let it boot without, it should give an error
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15:33:31sparkeaterh
15:33:34sparkeateroh
15:33:39sparkeaterlike a -1 error?
15:33:55peturyeah, I think it is -1
15:33:57sparkeaterI have to go home then do this, then write it all down and come back to the net cafe
15:34:06peturouch
15:34:25sparkeatermy new apartment doesn't have a phone line or net
15:34:27peturif it gives the error, you can put rockbox back on it
15:34:58peturif not, there is a hardware issue and we need to try bootloader stuff (well, you'll need LinusN)
15:36:10sparkeatercool
15:36:13sparkeaterthanks!
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15:44:38robin0800how do you use mingw on vmware to make a sasapatcher.exe file?
15:46:14robin0800sansapatcher.exe
15:46:31domonokyrobin0800: run "make" in the sansapatcher directory..
15:47:06robin0800tried that doesn't work
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15:49:23domonokywhats the error ? it probably needs the bootloader files (because they will be built into sansapatcher)..
15:51:06robin0800there is no error it makes the linux files but not the exe
15:52:28domonokyand where are you building ? under mingw or vmware with linux ?
15:53:59linuxstbrobin0800: Have you tried "make sansapatcher.exe" ?
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15:54:08robin0800domonoky,no using vmplayer and rockbox vm image in windows
15:54:18domonokyto crosscompile a windows version from linux try "make sansapatcher.exe"
15:54:29domonokythe rockbox vmware image is LINUX ! :-)
15:54:49rasherdomonoky: Is apps/ really needed to build rbutil? (README says so)
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15:55:38domonokyapps/codecs/libspeex is needed for our rbspeex encoder..
15:56:20rasherDamn. Makes the sources needed for rbutil rather huge
15:56:33rasher(regarding Debian package)
15:57:57linuxstbCan't you just include apps/codecs/libspeex/ ?
15:58:09XavierGranyone with experience stuffing a 2 platter disk on an H320?
15:58:46robin0800yes yes make sansapatcher.exe works perhaps add this to the read me
15:59:37domonokylinuxstb: i dont really know, librbpeex.a is built by the makefile in tools/rbspeex, i dont know what else it needs..
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15:59:51linuxstbrobin0800: Out of curiousity, why are you compiling sansapatcher? Is something wrong with the released version?
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16:01:42linuxstbdomonoky: I don't think it needs anything apart from that directory.
16:02:08mcuelenaerewho made the site at themes.rockbox.org ?
16:02:50robin0800no i'm going to try the new firmware 01.01.07 for the c200
16:02:56rasherdomonoky: could we use a system libspeex, or does it have to be the rockbox one?
16:03:12linuxstbmcuelenaere: I think that's on scorche's server. I'm not sure what code he's using...
16:03:24superi think my screen is broken?
16:03:29domonokyi think we have to use rockbox libspeex, otherwise voice wont work..
16:03:38mcuelenaerelinuxstb: shouldn't it be merged with the 'new' site?
16:03:42superi reinstalled rockbox but the graphics are still messed up
16:03:48rasherdomonoky: damn
16:03:49linuxstbmcuelenaere: I think it's a modified (by scorche) version of the original www.rockbox-themes.org code.
16:04:02superthere is a big line across the screen
16:04:10linuxstbmcuelenaere: The code I've written was intended to completely replace that. What did you want to merge?
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16:04:56domonokysuper: to test if the screen is broken, you could try it with the original firmware... if the error is also in the OF, its a hardware failure..
16:05:09mcuelenaerelinuxstb: I don't know, is there a need for themes to support patched builds? and the guidelines, should this be a link to the wiki or a page on the server itself (like at themes.rockbox)?
16:05:17mcuelenaereshould there*
16:05:27linuxstbmcuelenaere: The code I've committed to SVN is how I think it should be...
16:05:41linuxstbi.e. put documentation on the wiki and only support official builds.
16:06:28superwell its always there
16:06:38mcuelenaerehas there been some kind of similar discussion about this in the past?
16:06:42superthe chargingscreen is OF?
16:06:46linuxstbmcuelenaere: IMO we should keep the theme site as simple as possible, and not bloat with features (at least not at the start)
16:07:19LinusNsuper: which device?
16:07:52mcuelenaereyes perhaps the foundations should be rather solid and then perhaps it could be expanded
16:08:30linuxstbmcuelenaere: Yes, that's why I haven't worried about things like how the themes are displayed. The important thing is the upload.php script, and making sure we're building a good database of themes that we can work with.
16:11:12supernano 1g
16:11:59linuxstbsuper: Do you get the same issue with the Apple firmware?
16:13:38Nico_Pdoes someone run a public webserver with the svn theme site?
16:14:38linuxstbThis is probably quite close - linuxstb.cream.org/themes/">http://linuxstb.cream.org/themes/
16:15:04linuxstbUnless people have committed changes today - I haven't checked...
16:15:21*linuxstb notices that someone has...
16:16:24linuxstbmcuelenaere: Why add the .htaccess rewrite rules?
16:16:33rasherTo give nicer urls?
16:16:59mcuelenaerelinuxstb: google friendlier? nice urls in general?
16:17:07mcuelenaerenicer*
16:17:46mcuelenaereNico_P: http://veldrijden.info/themes_rockbox/ should be SVN version
16:18:15linuxstbI just don't like hiding things like that... But it's obviously just me.
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16:20:04rasherlinuxstb: in regards to who? The user or the developer?
16:20:23linuxstbAnd the layout now seems broken...
16:20:44mcuelenaerelinuxstb: in what browser?
16:21:01Nico_Pmcuelenaere: thanks
16:21:41linuxstbrasher: I can only speak for myself, but as a user I don't care what URLs are inside a site, as long as I can bookmark them. As a developer, I like to see script names and query strings.
16:21:54linuxstbmcuelenaere: Firefox (2.0.0.14)
16:22:26mcuelenaerelinuxstb: you can still access the site through index.php?model=
16:22:27linuxstbmcuelenaere: But you shouldn't need to ask that - keep things simple, and it will work everywhere.
16:22:37*Nico_P rather likes rewritten URLS when they convey the same info but in a cleaner way
16:23:07mcuelenaerelinuxstb: the new layout is based on pixelma's one and should have a glitch in Firefox 2
16:23:22mcuelenaerehow bad is it?
16:24:05linuxstbThe immediate problems I see are that a) rows all appear to be the same height, rather than adjusting to the amount of text in that row; b) scrollbars are appearing within cells, sometimes when they're not even needed.
16:24:20linuxstbI haven't tried resizing the window, which is the problem pixelma mentioned.
16:25:05mcuelenaereI tried a javascript solution, but my JS skills aren't that good and got stuck
16:25:24linuxstbKISS...
16:26:13mcuelenaereso you would go back to the initial 3-columns fixed way?
16:26:55linuxstbFor now at least. I wouldn't change from there to a partially-working solution.
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16:31:53mcuelenaereand what about a user-changeable column size but based on tables?
16:32:00mcuelenaerenumber of colums*
16:32:03rasherpreglow: What would it take to make vanilla libspeex capable of producing files that the voice-ui can accept?
16:32:17pixelmamy version was only a suggestion/proof of concept. I wasn't sure myself because of its drawbacks and only wanted to throw that into the discussion
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16:33:15pixelmalinuxstb: the "rows" can't be of a different size because they are not rows...
16:33:38linuxstbpixelma: Ah, OK... Then that seems a big drawback.
16:35:28linuxstbmcuelenaere: Yes, I thought about that, but preferred to work on the upload script.
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16:36:40linuxstbmcuelenaere: BTW, you've been adding TABs to the source.... I know I said there were no guidelines, but IMO we should stick to the existing coding guidelines where they apply...
16:37:05mcuelenaereok, that's dreamweaver but I'll look into it
16:38:28low_lightyou can use http://browsershots.org/ to test the layout on multiple browsers/systems
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16:49:01linuxstbrasher: I think the issue with speex is simply that we produce raw speex files - i.e. no Ogg container. I don't think the official encoder can do that.
16:49:39linuxstbrasher: But maybe rbutil could be using the official libspeex, rather than our version...
16:51:01rasherlinuxstb: that's the thinking. Or maybe we could simply push that ability upstream?
16:51:31linuxstbrasher: Are you talking about the lib or the actual speex command-line encoder?
16:51:48linuxstbIf it's just the lib, then I doubt there's anything to push upstream.
16:52:08rasherlinuxstb: Ah, so rbutil might very well be able to make do with standard libspeex?
16:52:46linuxstbThat would be my guess - probably with very little (if any) changes.
16:53:08domonokyif the only change in our encoder is that it produces raw files, rbutil could easily use the official rbspeexlib..
16:53:18domonoky-rb :-)
16:54:56linuxstbdomonoky: Yes, but I think that's a feature of the wrapper preglow wrote around the encoder, rather than the encoder lib itself.
16:55:20*linuxstb tries...
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17:00:59linuxstbHmm, seems speex_resampler.h isn't included (at least with the latest Ubuntu version of libspeex...)
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17:08:49linuxstbrasher, domonoky: Seems Rockbox needs libspeex 1.2 - but that's not released yet... (rc1 is available)
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17:12:36rasherlinuxstb: but other than that, vanilla libspeex is fine?
17:13:18linuxstbI haven't tried it yet... I'll install 1.2-rc1 now
17:13:46rasherAh okay
17:14:17rasherThis is the only "bundled" library, related to rbutil, right?
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17:18:12linuxstbrasher: It compiles without warnings, so I assume it will work.... You need -lspeex and -lspeexdsp though (it's been split into the actual codec, and pre-processing functions)
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17:18:55linuxstbYou just need rbspeex.c and rbspeexenc.c from the tools/rbspeex/ directory, plus libspeex 1.2
17:19:49pixelmalow_light: hi, about one or two weeks ago I once again saw the radio "vanishing" on my c200 again, this time even a simple reboot didn't help as it usually did but using the radio in the OF did. It hasn't happened to me for a long time and I forgot what to try. Do you remember?
17:20:01linuxstbAnd I'm guessing rbutil just needs rbspeex.c....
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17:21:11linuxstbrasher: I'm assuming that doesn't help us, if the distros aren't packaging 1.2 yet?
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17:24:00scorche|shpackage can depend on rc1 or later...and you either install the rc yourself or wait for 1.2
17:25:20linuxstbBut that still means someone needs to package it?
17:26:52domonokyrasher: rbutil whill the still need stuff from tools...
17:27:17domonokys/whill the/ will then/
17:27:44linuxstbdomonoky: What else does it need?
17:27:54kugellinuxstb: You could've made use of the parameters for target and type configure has for the README
17:28:34kugel"../tools/configure −−target=50 −−type=b" will create a bootloader w/o further need for input by the user
17:29:14rasherdomonoky: needing the stuff from tools is not a problem
17:29:16domonokyrbutil also needs voicefont.c/h and wavetrim.c/h. on windows also the sapi_voice.vbs script..
17:29:43rasherIncluding an external library is more iffy
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17:34:09linuxstbkugel: Yes, I could have done. −−target=e200 would be better...
17:34:30kugellinuxstb: That works too
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17:37:29ArLubHello! I've just created a fmr for my hometown of Söderhamn, Sweden. I wanted to upload it to the FM Presets page on wiki if anyone else is interested in it so I registered for the Wiki. But the mail says I need a edit permission for editing the Wiki and that this chanel is where i can get it...
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17:38:08LambdaCalculus37Sure thing. What's your wiki name?
17:38:14ArLubAnyone here willing to heltp a newbie? :)
17:38:28ArLubSame as my username here ArLub.
17:38:50LambdaCalculus37You really should be using your complete name on the wiki.
17:38:51domonokyand thats your realname ? as per wiki guidlines ?
17:39:00ArLubArek Lubniewicz
17:39:16mcuelenaerecould someone test-try/comment this? http://veldrijden.info/themes_rockbox/upload.php (ZIP file checking isn't done yet)
17:39:21ArLub(See where I got the idea dor my WikiName? :)
17:39:47LambdaCalculus37mcuelenaere: I don't have a theme to upload. Want me to just try the page out?
17:40:00mcuelenaereyes, the theme adding isn't even working yet
17:40:08mcuelenaereit's just the validation
17:41:06ArLubThought that my wikiname would be like a nickname. Filled my realname as well. Is it to late to change it to my realname now?
17:41:25BigBambiArLub: It does say quite clearly on the sign up page that you are required to use your real name
17:41:31LambdaCalculus37mcuelenaere: Seems to work. Of course, it rejected the dummy files I used to test it.
17:42:00XavierGrwhat the hell? I wonder how someone managed to put a double plattered disk into an H320 without damaging it
17:42:03mcuelenaerefile type checking is currently only MIME-type based; is that safe enough?
17:42:05linuxstbArLub: I think you need to create another account, and the "ArLub" one will be purged sometime.
17:42:06ArLubYes, and eager that I was to register and contribute I've missed it untill you pointed it out... :(
17:42:16LambdaCalculus37XavierGr: Eh? Where?
17:42:19BigBambiArLub: I don't think you can change it - sign up properly with your real name and we can ask an admin to delete the other one
17:42:24linuxstbmcuelenaere: What do you mean by "mime-type based"?
17:42:35ArLubOK. Will create anoter account then and get back to you.
17:42:40XavierGrwithout the padding I can't screw all the screws and the HD spins and rattles like mad (probably the padding muffled the spin)
17:42:42linuxstbIf that's what the browser is telling you, then no, don't trust that...
17:42:47mcuelenaerelinuxstb: PHP returns a $_FILE array containing a ["type"] key
17:43:02XavierGrLambdaCalculus37: I think I heard it once on MisticRiver
17:43:06mcuelenaereI can extend it to do a server mime type check
17:43:24XavierGrso I bought an H320 from ebay to put in my car and now I am trying to fit my extra 40GB 2 platter drive
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17:43:32LambdaCalculus37XavierGr: I wonder who's crazy enough to risk that.
17:43:49LambdaCalculus37I wouldn't do it unless I had the backing for an H340 on hand.
17:44:14XavierGrbut the fit is so tight that it might damage the player not to mention that the driver is now very loud without the padding. It's about as an external 3.5 drive (sound wise)
17:44:42*LambdaCalculus37 thinks that people should be sensible when upgrading hard drives.
17:44:48linuxstbmcuelenaere: If it's not a valid zip file, unzip will fail...
17:45:00mcuelenaerethere are also the PNG files to check
17:45:36*domonoky gets the error: "ZIP contents too large with a ipod5g theme from the wiki, on the new theme site.. :-)
17:45:41linuxstbI would probably just use the "file" command. Or even parse the PNG file...
17:45:53linuxstbdomonoky: How large is it?
17:46:02ArLubOK. I'm back with a new account and a real wikiname this time. :)
17:46:16LambdaCalculus37XavierGr: I would figure that a double platter drive in such a tight space must put a lot of pressure on the drive itself.
17:46:17BigBambiPromise not to spam? :)
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17:46:26ArLubAnyone here willing to enable ArekLubniewicz?
17:46:29LambdaCalculus37Plus the heat from the battery must take a toll on it as well.
17:46:35domonokylinuxstb: unpacked its: 1.110.016 bytes..
17:46:35LambdaCalculus37I'll do it.
17:46:45ArLubSure. :) Hate SPAM at least as much as every other internet user. ;)
17:46:50BigBambiArLub: OK, done, have fun
17:47:07linuxstbdomonoky: The limit is set to 1.000.000 bytes...
17:47:11*LambdaCalculus37 was too slow ;)
17:47:29linuxstbdomonoky: So I guess that needs increasing a little... Does the zip just contain one theme, or many?
17:47:46ArLubFor now on I'm planning to contribute with the fmr file for my home town. If I'll make something else worthwile i might contribute with it as welll.
17:47:51BigBambicoolio
17:47:58ArLubThanks for the help.
17:48:01domonokylinuxstb: juts one theme
17:48:03BigBambino problem
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17:48:52mcuelenaerelinuxstb: I've seen themes on the size of over >2MB
17:49:00linuxstbmcuelenaere: Looking at the description of the PNG format, parsing it looks relatively easy... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics
17:49:07pixelmaI believe some include their images source files (as psd or whatever), what about those? (general question)
17:49:21mcuelenaerelinuxstb: doesn't the theme server has GD support?
17:49:21linuxstbMaybe they include a large font as well.
17:49:43linuxstbmcuelenaere: I don't know... But that's of course an option.
17:50:08mcuelenaerenormally every PHP installation has it
17:50:14mcuelenaereand GD is integrated into PHP so..
17:50:36linuxstbpixelma: Good point - I think we would want to encourage source files, but not everyone needs to download them...
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17:50:43scorche|shmcuelenaere: it has been bundled in since 4.3, so yes
17:51:25scorche|shcurrently running: Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) PHP/5.2.6-2 with Suhosin-Patch Server
17:51:34mcuelenaereok
17:52:12ArekLubniewiczHumm. Still can't edit... I think I might still be loged in as ArLub and not ArkadiuszLubniewicz... A reallt stupid question... How do you logout from the Wiki? Don't see any log out button anywhere...
17:54:24pixelmayou registered with "ArekLubniewicz" tried to log in as that?
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17:56:09ArekLubniewiczThe problem is that I see no login button or anything... When I first tried to edit it prompted me for usernamn and pasword, but I've loged in with ArLub then (was before I've read about proper Wikinames).
17:56:20ArekLubniewiczI think I'm still loged in as ArLub. :(
17:57:17linuxstbArekLubniewicz: You may need to close your browser...
17:59:30ArekLubniewiczWill try that. :) My prior experience with Wikis was some minor spelling corrections on Wikipedia, so I expected a login form and a logout button. :)
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18:01:35domonokyhm, it seems the current zipfile checking of the new theme site, happens inplace, ie without unpacking the zip ? but we will need to unpack it anyway for the checkwps test...
18:02:34mcuelenaeredomonoky: AFAIS there's only a zip listing, the files aren't even unpacked
18:04:06domonokyoki,
18:05:40linuxstbYes, that's not finished yet - the first part is to verify the contents (based on filenames/.sizes), and only if it passes all those checks, will it be unzipped.
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18:17:08ArekLubniewiczHi again guys. Just wanted to say that I have now added a FM preset file for Söderhamn, Sweden to the presets page. Hope somebody else will find that useful as well.
18:17:29ArekLubniewiczAnd thank you for your help and activating editing for my acount.
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18:20:32ArekLubniewiczGonna continue to play around with my Rockbox. Just installed it today on my Sandisk Sansa c240 and am really impressed with it so far. Can you belive that with the original Firmware my player didn't even seem to have FM radio? Was really possitivly suprised to find working option för FM radio in Rockbox. :)
18:23:08mcuelenaerelinuxstb: what's the id for in themes.txt?
18:23:34LambdaCalculus37ArekLubniewicz: Glad you're enjoying Rockbox! :)
18:24:01LambdaCalculus37Have fun! Explore! Play! Do! Hack! ;)
18:24:30ArekLubniewiczWill do. :) Thanx again for the help. Bye all.
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18:48:23*bertrik spots a possible problem in fm presets
18:49:17preglowrasher: vanille libspeex can
18:50:02rasherpreglow: sounds good. linuxstb seem to discover that libspeex-1.2-rc1 was required?
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19:00:21mcuelenaereok
19:00:25scorche|shit is my server...not shared...i have full control over it
19:02:13pixelmabertrik: what problem do you mean? Reminds me... I know of the problem that if the file has a BOM the first entry gets skipped
19:02:28bertrikall of the presets I tried on the FmPresetsEurope page are prefixed by 0xEF 0xBB 0xBF
19:02:34bertrikyeah, that's what I mean
19:03:11bertrikAre those files supposed to have a BOM? or is it a problem of the webserver?
19:03:34bertrikor something else (like rockbox)?
19:03:42pixelmathat was probably my fault when I sorted that page. Bluebrother once made an "ignore BOM" patch, I believe it's still in the tracker
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19:05:04pixelmaI opened the files and saved them again and didn't check the BOM setting in my editor, not knowing that it could be a problem
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19:07:15bertrikok thanks, I'll have a look
19:07:32pixelmasome were not even files before, just text on the presets page
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19:13:41preglowrasher: 1.2 is probably required, yes
19:13:59preglowrasher: i didn't care about that requirement, since we use our own libspeex anyway. what's this for?
19:14:45rasherpreglow: Debian (and other distros) packaging of rbutil. Staticly linking standard libraries isn't something distros enjoy much
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19:17:59preglowrasher: right. well, it shouldn't be hard to convert to libspeex standard, i think i use only one or two 1.2 api calls
19:18:34rasherpreglow: So 1.2 isn't even strictly needed? Anyway, depending on 1.2 isn't a huge problem, presumably it'll hit distros eventually
19:18:45preglowyeah, an rc is out, afaik
19:19:20preglowrasher: i would be very much surprised if making it use libspeex 1.1 turned out to be a problem
19:19:56preglowi didn't really foresee any distros packacking rbutil
19:20:02preglowpackaging...
19:21:54preglowis this going to be a special build, or will svn always depend on our own libspeex?
19:22:31rasherEither could work, really
19:24:43*shotofadds received atomikpunk's M230 today (I seem to be collecting the buggers). hopefully the screen works on this one ;)
19:25:15shotofaddsunfortunately won't have time to do any more NAND debugging for a few weeks. I'm off on holiday in about 12hrs time...
19:26:04rasherpreglow: I suppose having it a compile-time option would be ideal, but it being a distro-specific patch could work too I suppose
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19:32:03mcuelenaereshould checkwps work with the standard Rockbox wps'es?
19:32:33bertrikpixelma, I looked at patch in FS #6203 and it looks OK to me, but unfortunately it won't compile anymore
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19:48:44mcuelenaerecan someone test the integration of checkwps with the theme site? my site doesn't want to run the checkwps.* executable for some reason
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19:52:22pixelmabertrik: maybe ask bluebrother about it?
19:52:43pixelmawould also be interesting to know why it wasn't committed yet
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20:06:45low_lightpixelma: I've haven't had my radio vanish in a loooong time...not since the last time I fixed the radio, if not before
20:12:52bertriklow_light, what did you fix?
20:13:19*bertrik hasn't noticed any vanishing radio on his c200 yet
20:14:45pixelmalow_light: me neither but now it happened again. And there is still a bug report on it (seems to happen on e200s as well) and it looks like some see it more frequently: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7515
20:16:10low_lightbertrik: some c200's had trouble tuning properly before
20:20:37low_lightpixelma: do you use the database? that bug report suggests a connection between the two. (I don't use database).
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20:22:53pixelmaI don't really use it but it is enabled (not loaded to RAM, no auto-update, no dircache)
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20:27:00pixelmalow_light: maybe it's not really related to the database just that the something in the timing changes during boot?
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20:31:52bertrikI'll pay more attention to the radio the coming time and check if I can trigger the problem too
20:32:51solexxWhat's the "play" key in H1xx UI simulator? The wiki says 'Q', but it doesn't appear to work.
20:33:45solexxand I don't have a numpad here
20:35:01solexxOk, using Num-+ works if I enable the pseudo-numpad on my laptop, but an alternative would be nice.
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20:41:07pixelmalow_light: but wasn't there something I could check (something that would needed a patched build or so)? Maybe I remembering wrong though...
20:41:43low_lightmaybe, but I don't remember either :)
20:42:24pixelmaa pity... but can't change that :)
20:44:51pixelmabluebrother: the topic came up before... is there any reason your "skip BOM" patch wasn't committed?
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21:06:05bertrik_The sansa c200 seems to have two "button lights", one in the center of the keypad and one under the menu button, has it ever been considered to do something with the menu button light?
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21:14:35pixelmaI think one idea was to use it has disk activity light but don't know... and yes it can be controlled independently. I remember when I started with the c200 the buttonlights couldn't be switched off at all, then the main buttonlights could and then the menu LED
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21:28:12bertrik_pixelma, was just curious, I don't have any particular use in mind for it.
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21:31:53peturpixelma: regarding your last remark: I also do not know why the selected list entry doesn't scroll
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21:37:33pixelmapetur: ok, as said I don't think that's very important. By the way I forget to mention that I can now leave the recording screen without trouble (when I didn't enter the recording menu before of course). This caused crashes with the v10 patch yesterday and is solved too.
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21:39:45peturpixelma: I'm probably going to reproduce a few more patches for you to test ;)
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22:24:02XavierGrthose boxwave H340s case did the job. If anyone wants to transform an H320 to an H340 all you need is a silicon boxwave H340 case. You don't have to screw the backplate. The silicon case will hold it for you (even with the blue hard drive padding)
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22:50:05solexxAm I missing something or isn't it possible to display mono/stereo information in the WPS?
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23:18:04BigBambiI'd like to pop up a post in the WPS forum to explain to people the importance of licensing and why we are currently sorting them out etc - any thoughts on this - http://www.pastebin.ca/1090152
23:18:48B4gder"theme suitable theme licensing" ?
23:19:05BigBambifixing
23:19:20BigBambi-first theme
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23:20:58B4gderI think it sounds fine
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23:21:40BigBambiOK, cheers
23:22:12kugelBigBambi: Sounds fine to me too
23:22:22BigBambicoolio
23:26:08BigBambiI'm sure I'm being dense now - how do I do a link in the forums such that it isn't the full link - i.e. the standard click "here" for something
23:26:35B4gder[url src=http:moo]here[/url]
23:26:40BigBambithanks
23:26:56B4gderor possibly src shouldn't be there
23:27:01B4gdercan't remember exactly
23:27:21peturjust [url=http://...]here[/url]
23:27:23scorche|shurl= i think
23:27:28scorche|shsee petur
23:27:29scorche|sh=)
23:27:36BigBambiyes indeed
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23:33:28kugelcan anyone explain this to me? http://imagebin.ca/view/oA2RNX.html
23:33:34kugelthat's after doing ./rockboxui
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23:34:58peturslow site
23:36:06ender`kugel: looks like you're trying to use a framebuffer program in X
23:36:57kugelender`: I'm trying to run the sim ;)
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23:45:33linuxstbkugel: Then it's an SDL issue...
23:46:21bluebrotherpixelma: there's no specific reason −− I partly forgot about it, wanted to redo some short test after my resync and planned trying to get it committed this weekend (ok, this answer is like 3 hours late :o )
23:47:14pixelma:)
23:47:26pixelmanice to hear
23:47:29kugellinuxstb: thanks, you're right. dkpg-reconfigure libsdl1.2-dev helped
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