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#rockbox log for 2008-08-11

00:02:48 Join svens [0] (n=svens@84-75-240-133.dclient.hispeed.ch)
00:04:55svenshello all. everytime i rebuild my rockbox and copy it to my player the config.cfg gets overwritten. is there a way to set a 'default' config.cfg which gets included when doing 'make zip' ?
00:05:43amiconnconfig.cfg does not get overwritten by installing a new build
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00:07:22svenshmm. my language settings are being resetted everytime i copy my new build to the ipod. maybe it's an ark issue ?
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00:10:08pixelmado you have the hold switch enabled when connecting to USB?
00:14:59svensno. i've now made some changes to tools/buildzip.pl which should now include my config.cfg. thanks
00:15:46rasherIsn't there something like "fixed.cfg" anyway?
00:15:56pixelmain a usual zip, config.cfg is not included and so can't overwrite your old one
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00:17:14bluebrothersvens: there are two possibilities: (1) you enable the hold switch when booting. This will reset the settings. (2) you have problems with your filesystem ...
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00:44:33saratogacan things in the codeclib allocate IRAM, or does that have to be done in the codec itself and passed in?
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00:53:07PAssangerhi
00:53:33PAssangersomeone can say me
00:53:49PAssangerif rockbock will be prot in samsung yp-u3j
00:53:50PAssanger?
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00:56:45PAssanger?
00:57:18saratogaPAssanger: I dont think anyone has mentioned working on it
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00:58:43PAssangerthen, i never see rockbox ion my mp3 player?
00:58:48PAssanger:(
00:59:01linuxstbsaratoga: The codeclib is statically linked with each codec, so I would expect it to be able to use IRAM.
00:59:14saratogaPAssanger: well you're welcome to work on it, but otherwise I wouldn't expect much movement
00:59:32linuxstbPAssanger: Someone may come along and do it, but those people are rare. If you want Rockbox, your best bet is to buy a supported player.
00:59:47saratogalinuxstb: so if I allocate a lookup table in IRAM in the codeclib it doesn't use space for codecs that don't access the lookup table?
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01:00:25linuxstbsaratoga: Yes - if it's in its own .c file, then the linker can strip it out for codecs that don't use it.
01:00:52safetydanAnyone tried building the cross compilers with mingw?
01:01:20saratogalinuxstb: good to know
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01:02:50linuxstbsaratoga: The only complication will be if you want it in IRAM for some codecs, and not others. Maybe you'll need to define it twice, with different names (in different .c files, or with some Makefile/pre-processor magic to compile it twice from same source)
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01:03:56saratogalinuxstb: I'm just thinking of the IMDCT trig tables, and those should always be in IRAM on all targets, so that shouldn't be an issue
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01:35:45Yonderinghmm I think I bricked my sansa =p
01:36:41advcomp2019Yondering, what is it doing
01:37:26 Join testfire [0] (n=josiah@nj-71-53-8-35.dhcp.embarqhsd.net)
01:38:15Yonderingadvcomp2019, I had rockbox working on it, but it wouldn't boot back into the sansa OS to connect via usb the way it's supposed to.. tried updating it per instructions (recovery mode, etc..) now it just hangs on the 'sandisk' splash screen when I try to start it. I've been trying the instructions on the unbricking page repeatedly for a while now..
01:38:25testfireHey guys, just installed rockbox and none of the themes are showing there playback themes...
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01:39:28Yonderingadvcomp2019, I'm not positive I have the correct bin files to reinstall sansa and try again. =/
01:40:36advcomp2019testfire, there is broken themes
01:40:45YonderingI can connect in recovery mode still, but copying the .mi4 file over does nothing.
01:40:58testfireadvcomp2019: How can I fix this?
01:41:57advcomp2019testfire, you need to edit the theme or look for a newer theme
01:42:27testfireadvcomp2019: I installed all of the themes provided in the rockbox utility...
01:43:39advcomp2019Yondering, weird that recovery mode did not fix that issue
01:43:53Yonderingadvcomp2019, yeah :=/
01:45:32advcomp2019testfire, there is a thread on the forums on how to fix it or you can read the wiki about themes to fix it
01:45:56testfireOk, I'll look for it...
01:47:02Yonderingincidentally, happen to know of a good 4gb or larger (prefer flash-based) mp3 player that'll handle mp3 & ogg?
01:47:21testfiresansa e260?
01:48:23Yonderingtestfire, I just bricked a 260
01:48:26Yondering;)
01:48:41testfireThat sucks... what version was it?
01:48:51testfireI was lucky to get v1
01:49:00Yonderingrhapsody.. =/ it's a v1 though
01:49:01advcomp2019Yondering, have you tried recovery mode again with the sansa.fmt file
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01:49:11Yonderingyes, advcomp2019
01:49:18Yonderingseveral times =/
01:49:38testfireYondering: I just did that with my e260 and it fixed it right up...
01:49:50testfireYondering: are you using linux?
01:49:55Yonderingyes
01:50:09testfireWhat does it do when you try to boot it up?
01:50:17Yonderinghangs on the splash screen
01:50:28testfirethe sansa scree?
01:50:36Yonderingfirst one.. sandisk
01:50:45testfireoh :(
01:51:12Yonderingoki.. touch/media/16_format/sansa.fmt?
01:51:34testfireyup
01:51:57Yonderingand disconnecting.. ok, says formatting..
01:52:04testfireadvcomp2019: do you have a link for the theme help?
01:52:16testfireYondering: okay let it sit till it's done
01:52:23Yonderingtestfire, will do.
01:52:26testfirethen take lock off and turn on
01:53:39advcomp2019testfire, here is the thread from the forum: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0
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01:54:09testfireadvcomp2019: TY
01:54:54Yonderingupgrade finished.. resetting..
01:55:18Yonderingnada =/
01:55:49testfireYondering: that really should have worked :(
01:56:05testfireI think there is a tool for windows to restore it
01:56:14YonderingI have been fiddling with it for a while now.. tried a few diferent mi4 files trying to recover it
01:56:52testfirewhere did you get them from?
01:57:44Yonderinghttp://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=e200&message.id=3975#M3975
01:57:55Yonderinghm, wrong link.
01:58:00Yonderinghttp://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html
01:58:08Yonderingand one from sandisk
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02:00:32testfireWell It's a good thing e260's are kind cheap now...
02:01:22Yonderingwell.. wasn't all that cheap when I bought it, but I don't think I'll be buying another.
02:01:46testfireI got mine the day it was listed on newegg.com..
02:02:23testfireadvcomp2019: thats Greek to me...
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02:03:44advcomp2019testfire, that is why i said you might want to find newer themes if you do not know is going on
02:04:11testfireI got some off of rockbox themes and they are the same :(
02:04:24testfireadvcomp2019: where can I find "New" themes?
02:05:39advcomp2019there is theme in a wiki page on rockbox
02:06:33testfirehttp://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=176x220x16 ?
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02:07:10advcomp2019not that page
02:08:19Yonderingbadabing.. no fsckin idea what I did differently, but I got it working now.
02:08:28testfireI'm having a terrible time trying to locate the page you mentioned :(
02:08:44testfirethats great Yondering!
02:09:12Yonderingnow to see if I can throw rockbox on it correctly this time ;)
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02:09:56testfireYondering: Do you use the rockbox utility?
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02:10:50Ploujhi guys, it's me again
02:11:43Yonderingtestfire, it wasn't working for me before.. tried a manual installation. I'm going to try the utility this time.
02:11:49Ploujwhat player would you recommend that I look for if I want a combination of good rockbox support with a good set of features?
02:11:53Plouj(player features)
02:13:26Ploujah
02:13:36*Plouj reads the Subjective Discussion in the BuyersGuide
02:13:53testfireI use Ubuntu Linux and it works fine for me...
02:14:28testfirePlouj: The Sansa e200 line seems to be a good choice...
02:15:03ackersi have question.... if rockbox was added to sansa clip what would be different?
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02:16:17testfireThe clip doesn't have much in the way of hardware does it?
02:17:43ackerswhat do you mean?
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02:18:24saratogathe clip is the same hardware as teh V2 sansa, except that I think it doesn't have any DRAM
02:19:11ackersis that a good thing or a bad thing?
02:19:12testfireI really want to see a port for the view, then I'll be getting a new MP3 player...
02:19:36saratogaprobably means you wouldn't be able to run Rockbox on it without a lot of work
02:19:59saratogaunless i'm remembering wrong
02:20:08Ploujdoes anyone know of any projects of writing Free Software firmware for any in-production players?
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02:20:44saratogai don't think anyone is working on the View, theres no datasheet for the CPU and it doesn't seem to be all that different then the V2 E series
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02:21:09advcomp2019testfire, here is the themes that is newer(i hope): http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsSansaE200
02:21:14saratogaPlouj: this is a rockbox channel
02:21:36testfireadvcomp2019: thanks!
02:21:39Ploujsaratoga: so...?
02:23:53sin613read the IRC guidelines at the site
02:23:58Yonderinghehe.. awesome. Now it won't boot rockbox or sansa. This rocks.
02:26:20saratogayeah pictures online don't show any DRAM on the Clip
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03:20:16reacocardare there docs on the rockbox tagcache DB structure anywhere? or is the source code the only reference?
03:30:25JdGordononly the source code
03:30:45reacocardthought as much >.<
03:31:21reacocardI'm trying to make a taccache updater in python, so I can update the DB from the host machine instead of having rb do it on boot
03:31:26num1reacocard: but if you figure something out please don't hesitate to write a wiki page so we have at least some docs
03:32:09reacocardi certainly will, ive already got a fair bit of it figured out, its mainly the structure of the main index that is giving me trouble now
03:32:26reacocardhere's what I have: http://pastebin.ca/1165432
03:32:30num1reacocard: that's a great idea! if you get anything please send me the code I'd use that constantly
03:33:15reacocardso right now I can read the _[0-8] DBs pretty well, but how the main DB relates to these I dont know
03:33:29reacocardnum1: if it gets anywhere ill send it to the mailing list
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04:20:55SoapAnyone know Mark Coleman's IRC / Forum nick?
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04:22:30SoapHe slapped a CC license notification on one of the graveyard themes (X5 - Pulse) - but didn't update the .wps file or anything else...
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04:46:32saratogawould it be easy to update rbutil to detect the ipod classic and report that its unsupported
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05:00:06Lloreansaratoga: I think we don't know if there's anything that distinguishes them yet.
05:00:24LloreanI imagine there must be, since iTunes can distinguish, but we need to know what it is too.
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05:48:01reacocardhey could I get write access to the wiki? I'd like to start documenting the rockbox DB format, as I now have a lot of it figured out. wikiname is ArenOlson
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05:51:49Yonderingok.. I think I've done this so many times I've managed to confuse myself. Trying to unbrick an e260r again.. anyone about?
05:54:40saratogareacocard: done
05:54:49reacocardsaratoga: thanks
05:55:05saratogaYondering: you're probably not going to have much luck finding anyone at this hour
05:55:15Yonderingsaratoga, thanks anyway :)
05:55:23saratogathat said, everything is on the wiki and Daniel's page, so I'd start reading through all that
05:55:29saratogashould be able to figure it out from that
05:56:03Yonderingyeah.. I've been digging through it.. trying to follow the unbrick page as close as I can.. this thing is acting weird though. sometimes it does what the wiki says, sometimes not.
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05:59:00advcomp2019Yondering, are you using the right firmware
05:59:18Yonderingadvcomp2019, near as I can tell :(
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06:02:23advcomp2019Yondering, are you using this file: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/rhapsody/rhapsody-1.0.2.31.zip
06:02:58Yonderingadvcomp2019, I've tried that one once before I think.. if you believe it's the right one I'll stick with it.
06:03:40advcomp2019the e200 and e200R firmware is different that is why i asked
06:04:53Yonderingok.. I downloaded that one again, to be sure it's right.. separate directory..
06:05:41Yonderingjust says upgrade finished, resetting.. turn it on again and.. the same.
06:07:50advcomp2019ok.. are you sure it is an e200R?
06:09:14Yonderingpositive.. the reason I wanted to try rockbox in the first place was to get rid of rhapsody bugging me all the time when I just wanted to play my own files. ;)
06:10:07advcomp2019o ok i was just checking
06:10:37Yonderingnp :)
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06:11:09YonderingI think I messed it up with e200tool actually.
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06:11:33Yonderingthe sansa.fmt trick doesn't seem to want to work.
06:11:40advcomp2019you used the e200tool on what OS
06:12:07Yonderinglinux
06:12:37advcomp2019o ok good
06:12:39YonderingI wonder if I tried to use the wrong image with it..?
06:14:32Yonderingtrying one now... http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/BL_SD_boardSupportSD.btl
06:15:09advcomp2019that is the e200r bootloader
06:15:44Yonderingshould be the proper one to use then, correct?
06:16:05advcomp2019yea
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06:22:00Yonderingok.. recovery mode.. copy pp5022.mi4 and BL_SD_boardSupportSD.btl, and create sansa.fmt, correct?
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06:25:30Yonderingcool.. that worked.
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06:30:01advcomp2019Yondering, is it working now then?
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06:31:03Yonderingadvcomp2019, yes.. back to factory setup on it, thanks.. now to see if I can get rockbox working properly once & for all. I've written the recovery steps down if I screw it up again. Thanks again.
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06:32:56Yonderinghmm actually.. this thing isn't harassing me any more about rhapsody. I wonder if it'll play ogg without rockbox..
06:33:39JdGordon|phonei dont think the sansas can play ogg....
06:34:10Yonderingdidn't think so either.. throwing some on it now to test
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06:37:28advcomp2019JdGordon|phone, the only one i know that can is the sansa clip
06:37:48Yonderingif it doesn't.. I'll just keep tinkering with rockbox. Had it working once before but couldn't boot back to sansaOS or connect with usb the first time. The second time around I couldn't boot either sansa or rockbox. ;)
06:38:41Yonderinghmm copy a directory with ogg files and they disappear. interesting. ;)
06:39:32advcomp2019the sansa firmware will not read oggs unless you use rockbox
06:40:00Yonderingok. I just hope I can get installed properly for once.
06:40:21ZambeziWill iPod Nano 3gen be supported in the future? Is it on the todo-list or is it just difficult to make for various reasons?
06:41:15advcomp2019Yondering, if you follow the steps right it should work
06:41:29ZambeziIt would be awesome with a iPod Nano and relacing the memory from 4 GB to 32 GB.
06:41:39ZambeziAnd then have Rockbox.
06:41:51Yonderingadvcomp2019, that's just it, lol.. I thought I was following the steps. :)
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06:42:03advcomp2019Zambezi, there is no one working that one so not sure when it will happen
06:42:18Galoisif you want 32GB flash then get a sansa v1 and wait for 32GB microSDHC cards to come out
06:44:26Yondering32gb.. that's a lot of music.
06:44:29ZambeziGalois: And rob and bank so I can afford it? :-P
06:45:56Galoisthe most affordable choice for rockboxable flash memory is probably the 2GB sansa e250 on froobi.com for $30, plus an 8GB microSDHC from amazon for another $30
06:47:58ZambeziI have just 4 GB now. I have an iPod mini 2gen so I just need a gluegun and a flashcard. There's 32 GB.
06:48:39Yonderinghmm 10g for $60, eh? that's not bad at all.
06:50:59ZambeziHolly f! I think a store mispriced a memorycard. Or what do you think about a CF-card 32 GB for 10 dollars? :-D
06:53:22GaloisCF is one of those huge flash cards right
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06:53:41Yonderingcould not find rockbox bootloader. =/
06:53:46LloreanThis discussion of memory cards and prices isn't really relevant to Rockbox development or support.
06:54:40Yonderinghm - can't load rockbox.mi4 - file too big - can't load rockbox.e200 - file not found?
06:55:10advcomp2019Yondering, you did not put the .rockbox in the right location or did not put it there
06:55:23Lloreanadvcomp2019: That wouldn't explain "file too big"
06:55:25YonderingI cp -r .rockbox mnt/
06:55:52Yonderingas per instructions, exactly
06:56:06LloreanYondering: What instructions are you following, exactly?
06:56:17Yonderinghttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallationFromLinux
06:56:22advcomp2019Llorean, o i saw the file not found first
06:57:21LloreanYondering: And your players is mounted at mnt/?
06:58:05*Llorean wonders who wrote those instructions, as they seem really kinda roundabout
06:58:14Yondering~/rhapsody/rockbox/mnt
06:58:20LloreanYondering: Okay, what did you mean by "could not find rockbox bootloader"?
06:58:37Yonderingthat's what it says on the screen when I turn it on ;)
06:59:11Yonderinghang on.. will get you the entire text.. gonna take me a moment
06:59:35LloreanThat means you haven't installed something exactly as directed, though I don't know what as I'm rather curious what's giving that message.
06:59:48LloreanThe Rockbox Bootloader is basically the first thing run, so there would be nothing before it to give that message.
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07:01:58YonderingRockbox boot loader Version: 4.0 Sandask Sansa e200 Partition 0: 0x0B 3184 MB Partition 1 0x04 20MB mi4 size: 0 can't load rockbox.mi4 File too big Can't load rockbox.e200 File not found
07:02:07Yonderingflashes that for a moment and shuts down
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07:04:05LloreanSo nothing that says "could not find rockbox bootloader"
07:04:09LloreanThose messages come from the bootloader.
07:04:20advcomp2019sounds like the rockbox build you downloaded was a bad download or you have a corrupted file system on sansa
07:04:22LloreanCheck your Rockbox.mi4 file and compare it to the one in the archive.
07:05:14Yonderingthis was freshly downloaded, is there a list of md5 checksums I can compare?
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07:05:38LloreanNo.
07:05:49LloreanJust compare it with the one still inside the archive, or redownload the archiver and compare.
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07:09:03Yonderingoh well, I'll have to make another stab at it later :) thanks.
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07:29:31Yonderingaw, cool. got it working now, copied the files with a file manager instead of a terminal window. don't know why that would have made a difference, but I'm not complaining.
07:33:46Yonderingthank you again for all the help, advcomp2019 and Llorean!
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10:45:42LloreanLinusN: I removed his post and asked him politely in PM to repost it in English.
10:46:43LinusNbtw, how do i re-read the forum rules once i have registered?
10:47:19pixelmabtw. it was meant as a helpful post
10:47:21LloreanThe forum rules aren't actually in that initial screen, it's more or less just a disclaimer and a reference to the rules post.
10:47:45LinusNpixelma: i'm sure it was
10:48:18LloreanAs far as I know you can only re-read the agreement by logging out and clicking "Register"
10:48:21pixelmathough he could have included a translation (pointing to the forum guidelines and the thread in the new port section)
10:48:27LloreanBut I think I only added one sentence to it.
10:48:34LinusNLlorean: that's not very good
10:49:13LloreanLinusN: The forum guidelines themselves are in the announcement forum.
10:49:56LloreanThe agreement is just an agreement to follow the posted guidelines, and a disclaimer saying that we (the host) don't validate posts, don't promise that anything posted will verifiably be true, etc, etc.
10:51:18LloreanAs I said at devcon, I'd like to tidy up the rules. Make them more user friendly, less "long and boring" and easier to respond to positively.
10:51:31LinusNah, yes
10:51:34LloreanBut haven't gotten around to it obviously. =/
10:52:14LinusN:-)
10:54:02B4gderLlorean: talked with the floss guys yet?
10:55:45LloreanB4gder: They haven't contacted me again, so no arrangement ever got made beyond the agreement to do it. So I don't know.
10:55:53B4gderaha
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11:00:58LloreanI've sent a follow up, though, so I guess we'll see
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11:36:22tonzhey folks, first of all rockbox rocks ;) but lately, well it is present since months, the file ordering changed on my rockboxed iriver h120 the directories are orderd in reverse starting with z, the files seem to be okay ... what can i do? i want the directories to be in alphabetic order, starting with A
11:36:55linuxstbThere's a setting that controls the sort order - maybe it's been changed accidentally?
11:37:29tonzyeah, tried that, but this only lets me choose between time and alphabetic order
11:37:47linuxstbAnd if you choose alphabetic order, it doesn't work?
11:38:15n1ssond related to FS #8949
11:38:35tonzit works, but it orders from z to a, which is not what i want
11:38:54n1ss/sond/sounds/
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11:40:24tonzthanks n1s
11:40:31tonzthat helped a lot
11:40:32tonz:)
11:41:13tonzbye folks
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11:41:42B4gderwas that sarcasm?
11:41:50*linuxstb scratches head
11:42:10n1smy detector stated to blink too...
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12:20:14linuxstbvitja: Hi, I thought you were on vacation? ;)
12:23:44vitjalinuxstb, no I'
12:23:57vitjaI'm just going tomorrow
12:24:35vitjalast steps with multimeter
12:25:44linuxstbI've just been looking at your latest iaudio patch - it's looking good, but I have a couple of very minor questions/comments... Firstly, why did you make the change to tools/configure to change the $tool variable to use the telechips format for the main Rockbox binary?
12:26:17vitjahmm cause it doesn't work the old way
12:26:26linuxstbThe pcm-tcc7xx.c should be named pcm-telechips.c - to be consistent with the other -telechips.c files, but I can fix that when I commit.
12:26:32linuxstbvitja: What didn't work?
12:27:30vitjalinuxstb, -add i7 -tcc=crc work for me
12:28:11vitjalinuxstb, rename that of course and initial values should be added for other ports
12:28:30vitjalinuxstb, and there are some problems with FIQ on tcc77x for me
12:29:24linuxstbHow are you loading the main rockbox binary? Still with tcctool?
12:29:36linuxstbI guess you are, as the NAND driver isn't working...
12:29:42vitjalinuxstb, yeah
12:29:56vitjathat's not a problem for me
12:30:11vitjaI can flash it in, but it can't do anything useful now
12:30:18vitjajust like OF too)
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14:27:15LinusNB4gder: i wish i knew
14:27:29B4gderI googled for a while but failed
14:28:05LinusNcould it be a pgp signature?
14:29:22B4gderit didn't look like one of them "ordinary" gpg ones at least
14:29:42B4gderbut I'm not the expert in that field
14:33:36LinusNif they require a cryptographic signature for the setup.ini file, how are you supposed to distribute 3rd party packages?
14:33:49LinusNodd indeed
14:34:00GodEaterwhat are we talking about ?
14:34:10LinusNcygwin
14:34:26GodEaterah
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14:34:38LinusNhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9263
14:47:06linuxstbI wonder what would happen if you just put an empty (or random) file there - i.e. would cygwin just give a warning, or refuse to use the setup.ini?
14:50:18LinusNworth a try
14:50:39linuxstbIs setup.exe open source? I'm struggling to find the source to it on cygwin's site...
14:50:49LinusNi believe it is
14:51:20B4gder http://sourceware.org/cygwin-apps/setup.html
14:52:13B4gderI like that link to the command line argument docs
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15:12:22*LinusN admires the green build table
15:13:45peturit has been for some time now...
15:14:25LambdaCalculus37I'm glad that Rockbox has "gone green". ;)
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15:15:24pixelmaif you want to see some red, look at the delta table instead ;)
15:17:01LambdaCalculus37Binary sizes went up? That's no good! ;)
15:17:14peturno, more like RAM usage
15:17:28LambdaCalculus37Ahh.
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15:46:19JdGordonanyone wanna have a quick look at a fixme I found in playlist.c:2076?
15:56:24JdGordonhaha, this fixme is almost excatly 2 years old!
15:56:26JdGordonto the day!
15:57:24LambdaCalculus37Haha!
15:57:28JdGordonr10544 | miipekk | 2006-08-12 21:00:39 +1000 (Sat, 12 Aug 2006)
15:57:32LambdaCalculus37Long time to wait! :)
15:58:15LambdaCalculus37Damn, over 8000 revisions ago, too!
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16:07:05JdGordondoes anyone have an opinion on the bookmark file?
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16:15:30JdGordoncan bookmarks only be used with dirplay?!
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16:30:40luckzI have rockbox on my X5L as of about two years ago. just recently I did my first update in around 9 months and used rbutilqt.exe to install the newest bootloader and rockbox version. now, my rockbox has issues shutting down/starting again - after I shut it down and when I turn it on again, no matter if that's a minute or a week later, it most of the time shows "shutting down..." in the display and I have to hold the power button for a while to be able to start pro
16:30:49luckz in the display and I have to hold the power button for a while to be able to start properly <- cutoff, I suppose
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16:33:14pixelmaluckz: it's not a problem http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=18066.0
16:33:44luckzohhh
16:33:59luckzokay, so I just have to hold down the on button longer, alright.
16:35:03Quazgaarockbox can actually play video well now?
16:35:16Quazgaalast i checked (like a year ago) it was still pretty crappy on video
16:36:16JdGordondo people use bookmarks to bookmark inside the current track? or inside the track inside the playlist? or is there no real difference?
16:36:30linuxstbQuazgaa: What device do you use Rockbox on?
16:36:42Quazgaax5
16:37:13linuxstbQuazgaa: Then I would expect Rockbox's video playback to be quite good.
16:37:34Quazgaawhen i tested it it could do 15 fps with no sound
16:37:59linuxstbQuazgaa: Now it's 32fps with sound - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
16:38:11Quazgaanice
16:42:47B4gderJdGordon: a bookmark is really within a specific song in a particular playlist
16:43:44JdGordonhmmm
16:49:20pixelmathere was some discussion about bookmarks during devcon, must be in one of the recorded meetings
16:51:55JdGordonI've got some motivation so i want to fix them (2nd time lucky :p ) im at a brick wall because I have no idea how they should be stored/named...
16:52:22JdGordondirplay and m3u playlist bookmarks are easy... but inram playlists? where should they be saved, and what name?
16:52:32JdGordonopen the keyboard? that slows the whole thing down...
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16:54:38n1sJdGordon: usually they are saved in the parent dir with the name of the dir the file you were playing
16:55:34JdGordonbut a playlist with random tracks?
16:55:55JdGordonI was tihnking adding a .rockbox/bookmarks/ folder and either asking the user, or..?
16:56:22n1si have no idea, i don't use the feature :P
16:57:04JdGordonneither :p I just know its not done nicely
16:57:24linuxstbIf a bookmark is "a position in a song, in a particular playlist", then shouldn't saving a bookmark also save the playlist (if it's an in-ram playlist)?
16:58:00amiconnThe bookmarks contains that info
16:58:05amiconn*bookmark
16:58:28JdGordonwell, the way I would change it is to just copy the .playlist_control file and add the resume info to the end of that, so it will work for any type of playlist
16:59:05JdGordonin my test it didnt even let me create a bookmark if it wasnt a dirplay playlist
16:59:18amiconnA bookmark file can contain multiple bookmarks
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17:00:05JdGordon?
17:02:47JdGordonamiconn: ... explain?
17:05:16*amiconn wonders what explanation is needed
17:05:28*GodEater does too
17:05:42amiconnA .bmark file can contain more than one bookmark.
17:05:57GodEateri.e. more than one resume point
17:06:19GodEaterand when you open it, you see a list of all those points that you can choose from.
17:06:29linuxstbReferring to different playlists, or just different points in the same playlist?
17:07:44GodEaterI think the same, I'm not sure how you'd place a bookmark from more than one playlist in the same .bmark file
17:07:50GodEaterbut don't quote me on that
17:08:06GodEaterI don't use the feature very often at all
17:08:22JdGordonis that part of bookmarks really important?
17:08:33amiconnIirc the .bmark file contains one line per bookmark, i.e. in theory the playlists could be different
17:09:09amiconnJdGordon: I don't know as I don't normally use bookmarks, but for those who do, backwards compatibility might be important
17:09:37JdGordonwell, what I'm suggesting would kill backward compatibility anyway
17:11:06GodEaterI don't think it would make sense to throw away the multiple marks per bookmark file at all
17:11:14GodEaterwhen I *have* used it, that's a particularly good feature
17:11:48LambdaCalculus37Same here. It's very useful on audio books and radio plays.
17:12:03JdGordonwhen the playlist is only one file though?
17:13:08JdGordonwell, I guess it could be kept, but we still have the problem on how/where to save the .bmark file
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17:20:46JdGordonare bookmarks added to the exsisting bmark file (if there is one) automatically?
17:23:41LambdaCalculus37Yes.
17:24:31JdGordonok
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17:35:46toffe82Does replaygain works on the sansa E ? I looks like it doesn't or I copy the wrong files on my sansa ?
17:36:46linuxstbtoffe82: It should work the same on all swcodec targets.
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17:37:42toffe82strange, I will check my files because I have a big differenc in level from one song to another and I didn't have it with the gigabeat X
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17:43:24saratogatoffe82: i've also noticed some replaygain weirdness lately
17:43:48saratogabut have been too busy to investigate
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17:48:50gevaertsJdGordon: did you listen to the bookmark/playlist related parts of the devcon meetings? There may be useful bits there
17:49:32*gevaerts can't remember if those were day one or day two, and the summary on the website doesn't mention this bit
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17:50:46JdGordonI lestened to them at the time... I think I remember the talk being more about yes it should be done more than how
17:52:08gevaertsThere was a suggestion about merging bookmarks and playlists. I don't remember the details though
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18:42:03Peter200lxI have a question about making a theme
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18:42:17Peter200lxis it best to have a viewport, if I'm only using one for the screen?
18:42:59jac0b|wthat is up to you
18:43:06Peter200lxI'm moving the text down a few extra pixels, but it's not necessary
18:43:33Peter200lxI'm wondering if there's any extra work for the PMP if I user viewports
18:43:40Peter200lx*use, not user
18:43:41jac0b|wis the viewport the size of the screen
18:43:54Peter200lxslightly less, I have the status bar enabled
18:44:22Peter200lxand to give it a tiny bit extra room, I'm moving down my wps by a few more pixels then would be by the default
18:44:25jac0b|wI myself wouldn't use one
18:44:29Peter200lxok
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19:19:07amiconnJdGordon|zzz: Regarding your proposal - .playlist_control is not in m3u format.
19:20:20amiconnIt rather contains instructions how to rebuild the playlist. This is most often far more compact than the actual playlist, and also significantly faster to load (that's why it's implemented like this...)
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20:06:44LambdaCalculus37rasher: I fixed three missing strings in the Brazillian-Portuguese language (no translations); the patch is at FS #9265.
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20:10:09rasherLambdaCalculus37: will commit
20:13:29LambdaCalculus37rasher: Cool.
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20:50:11StephenccSoap you about ?
20:51:28peturpixelma: did you already try my latest changes?
20:53:04pixelmanot yet
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21:14:24Stephenccanyone got an ipo dnano 1g and could test the updated themes on the wiki ?
21:14:37Stephenccthey look ok in the sim but I wanted someone to test on teh device ?
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21:16:33*n1s posts a patch to add a table over supported audio formats in FS #9266 and hopes to get some corrections/suggestions for improvements
21:19:25LambdaCalculus37n1s: AAC files can also have the .m4a extension.
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21:21:26n1sLambdaCalculus37: ah, so m4a and m4p for aac and m4a and m4b for alac?
21:22:57n1summ s/m4p/mp4/
21:23:13LambdaCalculus37n1s: I was about to say... :)
21:23:54LambdaCalculus37n1s: .m4b files are audio books. I don't know if they come in lossless files as well, so you can just add them under AAC.
21:27:08n1sso all three for both aac and alac then?
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21:30:28LambdaCalculus37n1s: For lossless, exclude .m4b until it's confirmed that there are lossless audiobooks.
21:31:11rasherIsn't .m4p protected files?
21:31:34LambdaCalculus37Yeah, they are, and therefore shouldn't be listed to avoid confusion.
21:31:57n1sok, gotcha, I got these combinations from id3.c but i guess both alac and aac use the same metadata parser so maybe that decides which codec to load.
21:32:07n1srasher: good point
21:33:07n1salso we don't recognize m4p only mp4
21:33:30n1ss/only/but/
21:34:50n1sI decided to not list ape at all for the targets where it isn't realtime on any compression level
21:35:20rasherAh. So AAC:[m4a,m4b,mp4] Alac:[m4a]?
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21:35:38rasherWait, AAC:[m4a,m4b,mp4] Alac:[m4a,mp4]?
21:36:27n1sthat's what i was going for, yes
21:37:07rasherDo we accept raw aac or alac?
21:37:55n1sneither are listed in filetypes.c so i don't think so
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21:44:04ChristopherWHas anyone looked at FS #9209 recently? I attached a patch which allows the md5sum plugin to be interrupted. It also increases the size of the read buffer to 16KB (from a measly 512 bytes) which improves the performance considerably
21:44:42tzafrir_laptophi, how can I tell a sansa V1 from V2?
21:44:53tzafrir_laptophttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaFAQ#Which_Sansa_models_does_Rockbox mentions V2 as unsupported?
21:45:07tzafrir_laptopAre those different models? Same device with a different firmware?
21:45:27n1sno completely differnt hardware
21:46:06gevaertsWith unfortunately the same outer shell, so basically the only way to tell them apart is firmware version
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21:46:46tzafrir_laptopAny idea how can I be sure to buy a V1 device? Or those are unlikely to be available anymore
21:48:38gevaertsThere may still be some around, but if you buy new you're pretty likely to get a V2
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21:51:27LambdaCalculus37Or try here: http://www.froobi.com/SanDisk-Sansa-e280-8GB-MP3-Media-Player-Factory-Recertified_p_78-32283.html
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22:05:12reacocarddoes anyone know what key to use to turn off the ipod simulator? or is it jsut closing the window?
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22:10:05rasherreacocard: just close the window. The simulator doesn't simulate shutdown afaik
22:10:13n1sreacocard: yeah, just close the window
22:10:33reacocardalright, thanks
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22:12:00saratogan1s: .aac is a raw AAC stream, and pretty much nothing decodes those, so we shouldn't list that extension
22:12:58n1ssaratoga: ok, thanks for clarifying
22:14:10bertrikpetur, do you think FS #9227 is ready to commit?
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22:17:30pixelmaoh, I just recently discovered the related bug report and thought that it only applied to hwcodec targets based on Marc Guay's comment and so only tested on my Ondio
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22:22:00peturbertrik, sure....
22:22:07peturgtg anyway
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22:22:33n1spixelma: could you look at fs#9266 when you have time?
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22:30:56pixelman1s: yes, will do in a bit
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22:49:20pixelman1s: one thing from reading the diff - wavplay is not a hwcodec thing. The Player can't play wavs because of its MAS type. You could use the "masf" feature instead
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22:53:56pixelmaand while you're at it - the "mp3" in the hwcodec player table is not wrapped in a \fname{} and hence looks differently. I would think it's better if it would use \fname too and also mentioned .mp2
22:54:29pixelmaI meant the "supported file types" table there
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23:03:17pixelman1s: other than that it looks good... only one other suggestion: maybe link the second table in the swcodec player manuals from the "various" line in the former so that one can easily see that there is additional information somewhere?
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23:16:12pixelmarasher: is it normal that the new Rockbox header does not get picked up by genlang (doing a "manual" update)?
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23:20:29rasherpixelma: Yeah, right now genlang strips ALL comments. It should probably be modified to allow comments on the first lines
23:20:42rasherOr only strip comments with 3 #s
23:23:26pixelmaaha, ok. I just need to be a bit careful with that for the moment so it doesn't vanish again.
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23:31:52kugelHm
23:32:00kugelCan anyone tell me the buttons for a-b mode?
23:32:05kugelI can't find in the manual
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23:32:30bluebrotherPlay + Left / Right (h100)
23:32:35kugelfor e200 please :)
23:32:44kugelI'll try it anyway
23:32:56pixelmaI'm pretty sure it's in the WPS button table now
23:33:07JeffreyRodriguezHello all :)
23:33:30kugelpixelma: I can't spot it (http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-510004.3.1)
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23:33:58JeffreyRodriguezJust signed up and was wondering if anyone could assign me wiki write permissions
23:34:24JeffreyRodriguezcreated an Ipod Video theme to share
23:35:08kugelpixelma: Found it, in keymap-e200.c...
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23:36:09rasherpixelma: genlang should be fixed now
23:36:33bluebrotherJeffreyRodriguez: is your nick the same as your real name?
23:36:51pixelmakugel: it's in the general settings chapter, part of the repeat mode description
23:36:54JeffreyRodriguezyes
23:37:31JeffreyRodriguezthought it said use real name somewhere when I signed up must have been opposite since looks like no one else is lol
23:37:53kugelpixelma: Ah. Well, I expecpted to be in the wps keymap description (too)
23:38:05bluebrotherno. You need to use a real name in the wiki, but not in the forums or on irc.
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23:38:15JeffreyRodriguezahh ok
23:38:30bluebrotherok, you should have write permissions now
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23:38:37JeffreyRodriguezSweet thanks :)
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23:38:47bluebrotheryou're welcome
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23:39:22pixelmakugel: it's not just a simple button (combo) press for all targets
23:39:39pixelmafrom the WPS I mean
23:39:53kugelpixelma: I understand, but for those, it should appear there too
23:39:56pixelmarasher: thanks :)
23:40:21*bluebrother awaits a manual patch from kugel :P
23:40:57kugelgrr
23:41:06kugelMaybe.
23:41:13bluebrotherhehe :)
23:41:17kugel;)
23:42:51kugelHas anyone seen buschel lately?
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23:50:45MarcGuayAny particular reason for the Merchandise wiki page being "deleted"? Seems to still be active...
23:52:06MarcGuaythe above being directed at rasher, or Llorean I suppose...
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23:52:38rasherMarcGuay: Huh, Llorean told me it was closed - didn't bother to check
23:53:18MarcGuayrasher: Okay. I might not have checked closely enough myself. Just saw the product listings...
23:54:22rasherMarcGuay: Yeah, no idea. I guess Llorean is needed to settle this
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