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#rockbox log for 2008-08-18

00:00:21saratogawell as a proof of concept I might just try it with one codec to see that everything else is working
00:00:52saratogagrep turns up a couple calls to open in the codecs folder, but I think all or at least most are for stand alone versions of the codec and not used in rockbox
00:01:01amiconnIt seems like the PP memory controller is pretty efficient, so using the cached alias addresses is only slighly slower than the cached addresses if large amounts of data are accessed linearly
00:01:04saratogathough nsf.c has one ominous call to open ...
00:01:24amiconnErr, s/cached/uncahed/
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00:02:04saratogathe memory controller probably fetches an entire cacheline everytime even if its uncached
00:02:17amiconnIt might even help other parts of code to become faster, since that linearly accessed data wouldn't throuw other data out of the cache
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00:04:03amiconnI checked this when making the greylib work on the cop. Drawing only became a few percent slower with the uncached buffer, much less than what was gained by offloading the isr to the cop
00:04:13LearBy the way, if a codec did access files directly, it'd be noticed on HD targets...
00:04:31amiconntrue
00:06:18*kugel wonders why the statusbar doesn't update in his pitchscreen vp patch
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00:09:37scorche|shsaratoga: so how goes the GSoC project?
00:09:42bertriksaratoga, by the way I was able to fix my charging status problem without using a sleep
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00:11:07kugelbertrik: Nice that you committed the battery bench patch anyway ;)
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00:22:20*linuxstb reads the Google SoC timeline and sees that tomorrow is "Firm 'pencils down' date. Mentors, students and organization administrators can begin submitting final evaluations to Google."...
00:22:35scorche|shlinuxstb: hence why i ask...
00:23:00n1samiconn: the spc codec uses the COP too...
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00:23:11*gevaerts wonders how many GSoC students actually used a pencil
00:23:19LegoSharkHello, everyone
00:24:08BigBambigevaerts: If it is sharp enough you can use it to press the reset button
00:24:22gevaertsah, yes :)
00:24:26LegoSharkI'm having a hard time getting Rockbox
00:24:33kugeldoes anyone know what is making the statusbar constantly updating in lists?
00:24:41*scorche|sh summons domonoky for questioning
00:25:00BigBambiLegoShark: Which target?
00:25:00scorche|shLegoShark: any problem in specific?
00:25:01linuxstbkugel: IIRC, the list code calls the statusbar drawing function at frequent intervals
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00:25:20LegoSharki' trying to download the iPod 3rd gen on it
00:25:24LegoSharkerr
00:25:28BigBambiHave you read the manual?
00:25:29LegoSharkdownload it on the 3rd gen
00:25:31LegoSharkbut
00:25:38LegoSharkwhen i download the file, theres nothing there
00:25:40BigBambiAnd ipod 3rd gen, not ipod nanao 3rd gen
00:25:45BigBambi*nano
00:25:45LegoSharkRight
00:25:48LegoSharkno nano
00:25:58BigBambiThe nano 3rd gen doesn't work
00:26:07LegoSharkthere's nothing in the file when i open it
00:26:12BigBambiAs clearly stated on the front page of www.rockbox.org
00:26:17scorche|shLegoShark: which extracting program are you using?...it is likely hiding the folder as it starts with a "."
00:26:37BigBambiIf it is a "old" 3rd gen, just use rbutil, it is a lot easier
00:26:44kugellinuxstb: In which file? I can't seem to find something usefull in the list.c files
00:26:57LegoSharkhttp://build.rockbox.org/ i click on the iPod 3rd gen
00:27:28scorche|shLegoShark: i know...try to use rbutil as it describes in the manual
00:27:31BigBambiLegoShark: Out of interest, why not use rbutil? And what is your OS?
00:27:37LegoSharkthe file: rockbox downloads and there's nothing there
00:27:43LegoSharki open it up
00:27:46LegoSharkits empty
00:27:48amiconnn1s: I know that one of those console music codecs does. Iirc it was jhMikeS' testbed for dual core development
00:27:51BigBambiWHAT OS?
00:27:58LegoSharkOS X
00:27:59scorche|shLegoShark: i know...i already explained that it likely isnt and is just hiding the folder within
00:28:33linuxstbkugel: gui_syncstatusbar_draw(&statusbars, true); - in list.c. Otherwise it's probably the functions using the list - e.g. menu.c
00:28:37scorche|shyour program will hide files/folders that start with "."
00:28:46BigBambiLegoShark: As scorche|sh has said, that is because the folder in the archive is .rockbox. Directories starting with a full stop are hidden by default on OS X so you can't see it
00:29:03LegoSharkso, how do i get to it?
00:29:07BigBambiLegoShark: Use rbutil
00:29:16LegoSharkwhat is that?
00:29:27scorche|shLegoShark: we have told you many times to try out rbutil as said in the manual...download the manual and follow those links
00:29:29BigBambiIt is the automatic installation program
00:29:40linuxstbLegoShark: http://www.google.com/search?q=os+x+hidden+files
00:29:45BigBambiAnd it is described in the manual as automatic installation
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00:31:19kugellinuxstb: looking at quickscreen (where the statusbar also updates), it looks pretty much the same as in my pitchscreen
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00:33:43scorche|shlinuxstb: did you see my earlier remarks about automation of the theme site?
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00:34:23linuxstbkugel: "button = get_action(CONTEXT_PITCHSCREEN,TIMEOUT_BLOCK);" would seem to be the problem - your function will be waiting in the get_action() function, and not returning. Try changing that to TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK
00:34:54linuxstbscorche|sh: Yes, but I knew that... It's mcuelenaere and others that need to be convinced (IIUC mcuelenaere has implemented some kind of admin page now)
00:35:18scorche|shan admin page is fine...a "to be approved" area is not
00:35:32scorche|shi will have to look at the site now that i have internet again
00:35:47kugellinuxstb: Ah, now the while loop is actually looping
00:36:25kugelThanks, now it works. I'm gonna use HZ/5 like in quickscreen
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00:37:15scorche|shit isnt really something that needs some "convincing"...if it isnt done this way, the status of the site to be protected under "safe harbor" is in jeopardy
00:37:30linuxstbscorche|sh: As you're hosting it, I say it's your call.
00:38:34BigBambiWe just need to comply with the laws as they stand (not matter how bloody stupid) in the country in which it is hosted
00:38:48BigBambiAs that is the US, that means some damn stupid laws :)
00:39:02BigBambi(not that other places don't have them too) :)
00:39:55linuxstbWe can't host it on sealand? ;)
00:39:57scorche|shit isnt so much complying with laws, as it is the site qualifying for "safe harbor" under the DMCA
00:40:22BigBambiWell yes, but complying in that sense
00:40:27scorche|shyar
00:40:39BigBambiThe DMCA is still a fricking stupid law, that I am glad doesn't apply to me
00:40:59kugellinuxstb: What's the matter with that timeout? Hw
00:41:15kugels/Hw/Why even have a timeout?
00:41:28scorche|sh(act)...but large large parts of it havent even been proven in case law, so it is pretty silly
00:42:11BigBambiyup
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00:42:19kugelget_action waits for button input, but no longer than timeout, right?
00:42:20BigBambiNonetheless, better safe than sorry :)
00:43:01linuxstbkugel: Yes.
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00:44:02kugelBut why would I want to choose no timeout? I'd prefer a very short timeout in any case. Is it to safe cpu load/battery or something?
00:44:06scorche|shBigBambi: yup...it is the same thing that protects ISPs, search engines, and such, so it is a valid thing to point to as long as you fulfill the requirements
00:44:48linuxstbkugel: Yes, the thread can be put to sleep (and if all threads are sleeping, the CPU is put to sleep).
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00:45:38BigBambiscorche|sh: Yes indeed. My problem is with having to be protected from the nonsense that is DMCA, but given it is there then we do indeed need to follow it so long as the site is hosted in the US
00:46:19linuxstbBut ignoring the law, I think a "publish automatically, remove things later if there are problems" will be less work overall, so would prefer it anyway.
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00:46:36linuxstbIt's basically how the wiki works now.
00:47:04linuxstbBut with the added advantage of being able to do lots of technical validation and reject things immediately if they are bad.
00:47:05BigBambiI agree
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00:49:30*linuxstb spots the new admin page here, but doesn't know the username/password... http://veldrijden.info/themes_rockbox/admin.php
00:49:36linuxstb(that's mcuelenaere's site)
00:50:15mcuelenaerelinuxstb: test test
00:50:20kugellinuxstb: So, if it saves battery to choose a rather high timeout, why would anyone want a very short (e.g. each tick) timeout? I can't think of a situation now where a timeout less than HZ is worth the battery life
00:50:36linuxstbkugel: It depends how often you want/need to update the LCD
00:51:04scorche|shmcuelenaere: have you seen what i have said in here?
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00:51:12mcuelenaerescorche|sh: yes, just now
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00:51:23scorche|shyour thoughts?
00:51:24mcuelenaerethe change isn't that big to disable the current admin panel
00:51:32mcuelenaerebut a new one will have to be made
00:51:38mtzHi there on rockbox! I wanted to ask you guys a question.
00:51:39mcuelenaereor the current will need to be edited
00:51:46BigBambimtz: Then please do
00:52:17linuxstbmcuelenaere: I guess we need a way for admins to manage the existing themes - to delete/edit etc
00:52:24scorche|shi was thinking of having a different sort of admin panel that we can use to remove themes from public eye, easily edit fields, etc
00:52:41mcuelenaereahh shouldn't be that hard to make
00:52:47linuxstbMaybe we could borrow the forum's authentication system...
00:52:58scorche|shit could even just be another few buttons onto the existing page after a login
00:53:02mtzI got this Sandisk Sansa Connect MP3-Player which is actually very cool (it got WIFI and its not expensive at all). And it runs Linux plus a Mono-UI. More Information was already collected on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaConnect
00:53:05linuxstbI assume usernames/passwords are just in a mysql table...
00:53:15*linuxstb remembers he has a mirror of the forum database...
00:53:47*linuxstb then remembers that PC died...
00:53:48mtzBut Sansa Connect got a crappy Interface and it almost has none of the features it could have.
00:54:36mcuelenaerelinuxstb: you mean only the username/password data or also the session data itself? (meaning imitating SMF)
00:54:49mcuelenaereso one doesn't have to login twice
00:55:02linuxstbmcuelenaere: I was just thinking the username/password data, but sharing sessions would be even nicer...
00:55:51mcuelenaereI see forums.rockbox created a PHPSESSID cookie so they are using standard PHP sessions
00:55:58mcuelenaere(next to the SMF specific cookie)
00:56:21mtzSandisk as well stopped improving the Connect as ZING, the Company who actually developped it got sold to DELL. There was also a yahoo-Streaming service but they stopped it as well, it will be continued on Rhadopsy, but without the Wireless-Download-Function. The Device is almost useless.
00:56:40BigBambimtz: What is the question?
00:56:58linuxstbmcuelenaere: I'm not sure about SMF's license though - so we (you...) need to be careful about copying code verbatim...
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00:57:03mtzYeah, the Question. What would be needed to port Rockbox to Sansa Connect. Is it only the Bootloader-Code?
00:57:19scorche|shlinuxstb: it isnt a very great license..
00:57:22mcuelenaerelinuxstb: let's first see how SMF handles it
00:57:34mcuelenaereit is open source, isn't it?
00:57:37linuxstbscorche|sh: That's what I suspected...
00:57:38BigBambimtz: You need to write drivers for all the hardware, and discover a way to run custom code
00:57:40scorche|shhttp://www.simplemachines.org/about/license.php
00:58:23BigBambimtz: The bootloader is typically a cut down Rockbox that initialises hardware and jumps to the main binary (or the OF if dual boot is done)
00:58:25linuxstbHmm, "Any Distribution of this Package, whether as a Modified Package or not, requires express written consent from Simple Machines LLC."...
00:58:27mtzBigBambi: They published some Diffs (linked in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaConnect ), would that be enough briefly?
00:58:43scorche|shmtz: have you had a look at the NewPort wiki page?
00:58:58mtzMaybe i had some months ago, will do it again.
00:58:59linuxstbmcuelenaere: No, I wouldn't call that an "open source" license - too many restrictions.
00:59:00scorche|shyou might want to have a chat with desowin whenever he comes around...i think he has one as well
00:59:20scorche|shlinuxstb: yup...it is the one thing i dislike about SMF =/
00:59:38linuxstbmcuelenaere: But it shouldn't be a problem - you just need to re-implement functions, rather than copy/paste.
00:59:49mtzAnyway, i wanna start a Petition to Sandisk with all the unsatisfied people in some Forums - what should i request from Sandisk / Zing?
00:59:59mcuelenaerelinuxstb: yeah, I was thinking the same
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01:00:06scorche|shmtz: petitions dont really work...
01:00:15BigBambimtz: I doubt you will get anywhere
01:00:22mtzOk.
01:01:16mtzBut its such a cool device and they cut down all the functions. I can imagine it would even be good for them to open up the Device - as it was for Sansa 22x.
01:02:14mtzI know that Petitions wont help a lot. But still i wanna do something - without being a Developper myself (unfortunately).
01:02:28scorche|shi dont see wha saying that in here will do for you..
01:03:27mcuelenaerelinuxstb: only problem will be that the standard cookie will only work for forums.rockbox.org and not for themes.rockbox.org; so that'll require an SMF hack
01:03:36mtzDo you have any hints? I'd even lend or give away my Sansa Connect to someone who could crack it better thain i can.
01:03:39mcuelenaereor is there some way to set this in the settings?
01:04:19scorche|shmtz: as i said before, desowin has looked at is before...you might want to chat with him, or look around in a forum thread (if one exists)
01:04:27linuxstbmcuelenaere: I don't think it's a problem to hack SMF. I don't know much about cookies - can you simply change it to something like *.rockbox.org ?
01:04:52gevaertsI would just do your own session management. Maybe reuse the users/passwords from SMF, but why try to reuse sessions?
01:04:53mcuelenaereyes AFAIK you can set it to that (or either rockbox.org)
01:05:11mcuelenaeregevaerts: user friendlyness?
01:05:34mtzOk. Thanks anyways. I'll try to contact Desowin.
01:05:39mcuelenaerebut anyway you're right, it isn't a priority
01:06:15linuxstbI guess we need to decide if we want users to log in before uploading themes?
01:06:31linuxstbIt's a shame we're not sharing the wiki's authentication, as real-names are enforced there...
01:07:19linuxstbUnless we sync the wiki's htpasswd file...
01:07:50*amiconn dislikes our current wiki authentication
01:07:59gevaertsSince the wiki uses standard http authentication, you could try to login there with the user's data...
01:08:04amiconnBasic authentication without ssl ...
01:08:27scorche|shwanting them to log in would be handy...(makes one part of the OCILLA easier to enforce as well)...and could also have a nice "my themes" button where authors could easily edit/update their own themes
01:09:14mcuelenaerethe password seems to be sha1(strtolower($regOptions['username']) . $regOptions['password'])
01:09:26linuxstbscorche|sh: Yes, I was wondering about how authors could edit/update themes, but should an author have more rights than anyone else to a particular theme?
01:11:09gevaertsDoes the forum database have a real name somewhere?
01:11:41scorche|shlinuxstb: hrm...i suppose not, but then again, that would be nice to spurn abuse....as in people could only upload their "remixed" versions and control those instead of maliciously ediing all the other themes
01:12:21kugellinuxstb: Would be nice if you
01:12:31kugel'd answer my previous question
01:12:33gevaertsYou want to allow bugfixes
01:12:40linuxstbgevaerts: I think just "username" and "name". "name" is what is shown in the forum - e.g. "linuxstb" for me.
01:13:20BigBambiWe don't want the situation that if someone fixes a broken theme they upload the new identical (looking) one and the broken one remains
01:13:20mcuelenaeregevaerts, linuxstb: well the database table 'members' does have a realName entry..
01:14:02linuxstbmcuelenaere: In addition to "name" and "username" ?
01:14:05scorche|shBigBambi: i would prefer that to allowing someone to come along and brutalize the existing themes (though we could incorporate a "restore" button)
01:14:19scorche|shmoderation can always come in and delete the abandoned one
01:14:29gevaertsIs that a problem now?
01:14:31n1sMaybe we could have some kind of versioning for themes so that when an update is uploaded by someone you can still get older version (for example if the update is bad)
01:14:33mcuelenaerelinuxstb: yes, but that's just how the mysql table is organised; I don't know how the PHP code handles it..
01:14:37BigBambitrue, then we need some function to flag broken ones
01:15:06linuxstbn1s: Yes, I think we definitely need a versioning system.
01:15:48gevaertsThe new theme would also need a new name then I guess. Not really desirable
01:15:49mcuelenaerelinuxstb: hmm no perhaps I misunderstood; the database only has memberName & realName AFAICS
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01:16:41linuxstbgevaerts: I quite like your idea of checking usernames/passwords again the wiki though...
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01:17:46*mcuelenaere too
01:17:54*gevaerts finds a flaw in it
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01:18:18gevaertsJust logging in isn't enough. You have to check for editing rights
01:18:40*mcuelenaere is thinking of making some kind of Twiki plugin; but that probably just be complicating things
01:19:03linuxstbgevaerts: That is done by grabbing the TwikiUsersGroup page
01:20:13gevaertsCan you trigger things on updates of the TwikiUsersGroup page? If so, you could easily sync password and rights files whenever they change
01:22:07*gevaerts doesn't really like the idea of not being able to log in because a server in another continent has problems
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01:27:37linuxstbgevaerts: If not, you could just have a simple cronjob running every few minutes that polls for changes to the htpasswd or TwikiUserGroup pages, and if they have changed, then merge the info and scp the file to the themes server.
01:28:45gevaertsThat would work
01:28:50*linuxstb thinks the wiki's user database is preferable to the forums, even though it's more inconvenient
01:29:35*gevaerts thinks it's only more inconvenient at first sight
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01:30:00linuxstbThe forums user database is in a convenient mysql table on the same server...
01:30:33gevaertsYes, but with some important data missing
01:31:10linuxstbTrue. So it's simply not suitable...
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01:33:42gevaertsI can see one issue though. Wiki people and theme people will be disjoint sets I guess, so having to register on the wiki (which you will never edit) to use another site may be a bit unnatural
01:35:43linuxstbMaybe we could setup another "TWikiUsersGroup" page listing users with access to the themes site, and then change the wiki registration page so it looks like a "theme/wiki registration page"
01:36:53linuxstbThe alternative is yet another registration system...
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01:37:53gevaertsThat could work
01:39:39*linuxstb sees he has no rights to edit the TwikiRegistration page...
01:39:40Soap<saratoga> while I wouldn't be surprised if Apple pads their estimates a bit, thats still a very large difference in average current consumption
01:40:07SoapIn my experience Apple's runtime quotes are actually conservative. Both my nano and 5G benched in at 10% longer than Apple claimed.
01:41:19linuxstbgevaerts: I agree it seems a little clunky though, so would welcome better ideas....
01:41:54gevaertsI can't think of anything better right now. Unless we unify everything with a central database, anything we try will be clunky
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01:45:45*scorche|sh waits for someone to yell out "OpenID!"
01:46:57kugelJdGordon: already awaken?
01:47:19kugelAnyway, I've done a bit pitchscreen work
01:52:05linuxstbkugel: I noticed in the logs you said it would be nice if I would answer your question - I did...
01:52:24kugellinuxstb: Yes, sorry. I haven't noticed it :S
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01:53:37JdGordonkugel: just before 10am here.... no barely :p
01:54:20kugelJdGordon: Just wondered, normally the you remove the zzz 1-2 hours later :)
01:54:41kugelback to pitchscreen, I think I've optimized it pretty well for small screens now
01:56:09JdGordonill try to have a look tonight
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02:09:00kugelJdGordon: I uploaded my (hopefully) final patch version
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02:27:07fiXXXerMetSansa e260r. I've transferred over some new music to my device, but rockbox doesn't detect any of it?
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02:36:43linuxstbfiXXXerMet: Do you mean you don't see it in the "Database" view, or you don't see it in the "Files" view, or both?
02:38:03fiXXXerMetlinuxstb: Either.
02:38:08fiXXXerMetUnder Files, it doesn't even show my Music folder.
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02:38:27scorche|shhow did you transfer music over?
02:38:43fiXXXerMetUSB drag n drop
02:38:49fiXXXerMetSame as before.
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02:39:05linuxstbIf you go to Settings -> General Settings -> File View -> Show Files, which option is selected?
02:39:25linuxstb(try changing it to All)
02:39:30fiXXXerMetOK, hold on.
02:39:43fiXXXerMetIt booted back into the original firmware and is "refreshing database"
02:39:45fiXXXerMetShould I let it finish?
02:40:23linuxstbI would guess so, but I don't own a Sansa.
02:40:30SoapWas your sansa in MTP or MSC mode when you transfered files?
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02:41:15SoapLet it finish, but that is not what you problem is - that "refreshing database" notification is all about the original firmware, it has no impact on Rockbox's ability to see your music.
02:41:23fiXXXerMetOK.
02:41:44fiXXXerMetSoap: MTP or MSC mode from rockbox or original firmware?
02:42:00SoapRockbox has no USB mode - so I'm talking about the original firmware.
02:42:19Soap(that came out pissy, didn't mean to be pissy)
02:42:25fiXXXerMet(no problem)
02:42:33fiXXXerMetGoing to Show Files => All shows the files
02:42:40fiXXXerMetSupported was selected.
02:44:00linuxstbYou should read the section in the Rockbox manual about updating the database.
02:44:08linuxstb(the Rockbox database)
02:44:14fiXXXerMetAlright, I will
02:44:54linuxstbThe Sandisk firmware marks the "Music" folder as hidden, which is why it doesn't show by default. I'm not sure, but I think most people put their music elsewhere - e.g. in an "Audio" folder, to prevent that problem
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02:46:05fiXXXerMetWow, rockbox has some amazing documentation. :)
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02:52:04fiXXXerMetAlright, had to update the database (doing so now)
02:52:09fiXXXerMetAlso found the "load to ram" option :)
02:52:14fiXXXerMetThanks for the help, men!
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03:24:30wolffOH NO I RUINED MY IPOD !!!
03:24:52wolffit says Rockbox loaded but then NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS
03:25:00Soapwolff, Unless you hit it with a hammer I seriously doubt you caused any damage.
03:25:06wolffand now when i plug it into my computer it doesn't recognize it.. NO!!!!!!!!
03:25:19SoapLet's calm down, step back, and deliver unto the channel some details.
03:25:19wolffI deleted all the rockbox files off it
03:25:26wolffand put on the newest version
03:25:30wolffusing the windows explorer
03:25:31Soapstop
03:25:59wolffwhat can I do ?
03:26:19SoapPlease start by telling a step-by-step narrative of what you did, OS, Ipod model, software used, keys pressed - all that.
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03:26:31ColdMonsterhello every body
03:26:37ColdMonsteri need a litle help
03:26:41ColdMonsteris some one here?
03:26:42SoapAll I know now, and all you have told anyone, is that you have an iPod, and you think you messed something up. Very little information.
03:27:00ColdMonsterno no
03:27:18wolff:(
03:27:19scorche|shwolff: try installing rockbox using rbutil as said in the manual
03:27:34ColdMonsterits like this my hold button is messed up doenst work is there any whay to start original firmware without the hold button
03:27:36SoapColdMonster, that was to wolff. There are 116 other people here - you just need to state your question and hope someone will answer it. Never ask to ask.
03:27:39wolfflooks like it is frozen.. my ipod
03:27:45wolffyeah but now when i plug it into my computer nothing shows up !
03:27:53Soapwolff, please give me the details I asked for.
03:28:02wolffok so here is what i did
03:28:06scorche|shwolff: in the manual there are also instructuins on how to reset your ipod and enter disk mode..
03:28:07ColdMonsterah ok so how to i state my question
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03:28:57Soapwell, you kind of stated it while I was typing that - so...IIRC pressing "Menu" while the iPod is booting will also take you to Apple OS. The manual should say - but IIRC "Menu"
03:29:00wolffi downloaded the latest version of the software
03:29:12wolffthen i replaced all files on the drive in that folder
03:29:19wolffand when i safely removed it
03:29:35wolffand the ipod restarted ... it showed the beginning screen
03:29:36Soapwolff, what version? What iPod? What computer OS? But as scorche said - there are instructions in the manual on how to reset your iPod and then force it into Apple's Disk Mode.
03:29:48scorche|shwolff: when speaking in here, please keep complete thoughts on one line....it is much easier to read...
03:30:03wolffthen it says.... Rockbox boot loader... blah blah blah.... and Rockbox loaded. as the last line
03:30:07wolffWindows XP
03:30:16wolffNano 1st generation
03:30:39scorche|shyou arent listening...
03:31:10wolffsorry I'll type everything on 1 line now
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03:31:44wolffAHHH.. loading origional firmware !!
03:31:48wolffThanks Soap !!!
03:31:58wolff:-)
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03:34:26wolffI donated $5
03:34:30wolffthanks guys
03:34:34wolffappreciate it
03:34:42wolffrockbox rules
03:35:04Soapbeer time, scorche.
03:35:12Soap;)
03:35:14*scorche|sh has none ='(
03:35:34*scorche|sh makes a withdrawl from the fund
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03:37:54Soapyou good now, ColdMonster?
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03:40:02wolffthat was easy to update the software
03:40:14wolffworking great now... so glad i didn't ruin it lol
03:40:52wolffi mean shit.. i just pulled out the battery and put a new one in it... soldered it on and everything... so yea that woulda sucked if i couldnt fix it ;)
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03:45:42SoapLike I said originally, w/o a hammer you will have a hard time killing an iPod.
03:45:50ColdMonstersoz i went to the bathroom let me just see what you wrote
03:48:04wolffhehe yeah Soap.. thanks again buddy
03:48:35ColdMonstersoap you here?
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03:52:09ColdMonsterSoap thank you it solved my problem
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03:57:53ColdMonsterah and just one thing the themes arent showing has they should show
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03:59:53bd_It looks like the sansa port has gained proper usb support since I last tried it... Problem is, I'm getting a media not present error when I try to access the internal memory. Is there something I need to do to prepare it, like dismounting the filesystem or something? I'm on linux if it matters, and using the very latest svn (just checked out and built)
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04:01:07bd_all the FAQs seem to claim it doesn't have USB support, which according to my dmesg is no longer true :)
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04:04:20scorche|shrockbox doesnt currently have USB support unless you recompile with a few changes as said here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb
04:05:33bd_scorche|sh: er, it does :)
04:05:39bd_[400113.593282] scsi 13:0:0:0: Direct-Access Rockbox Internal Storage 0.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 4
04:05:44bd_[400113.602302] sd 13:0:0:0: [sdd] Attached SCSI removable disk
04:05:58bd_I don't know if it's broken, but it's definitely advertising a usb-storage device
04:06:24bd_this is all just a default, normal build
04:07:04SoapColdMonster, on the themes issue...Are you running a new build when previously you had been running a > 1 month old build?
04:07:29bd_scorche|sh: the only problem is I'm getting a media not present error...
04:08:20SoapI assume you are - if you are not I assume you installed the themes with RBUtil - the themes it downloads are (almost) all broken by a recent change to the While Playing Screen code. A replacement theme site is in the works, but until that comes on-line you should look at the wiki galleries for working themes - it is your best bet.
04:08:58SoapNot all of those themes are working, either, but more of them are - and there is a detailed sticky thread in the forums discussing what changes to WPS code were made and what you need to do to repair broken themes.
04:09:14ColdMonsterahhh
04:09:21ColdMonsterthis explains a lot
04:09:26Soap(did that last line come through complete? it didn't echo properly on my end)
04:09:39ColdMonsteryes it did
04:09:42Soapgoo
04:09:45Soapgood
04:09:58ColdMonstergoing to search a working one and installe it manualy
04:10:35bd_scorche|sh: aha, I was on one of the debug menus when I plugged in the cable - I guess this suppressed the reboot?
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04:13:15ColdMonsterwell got to go cya all thanks for the help
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06:38:35wharfratpathello
06:39:37wharfratpati need some assistance in getting my f10 to recognize mp3 folders
06:40:06scorche|shwhat do you mean?
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06:41:17wharfratpatim trying to put albums on it,,,,each album is in a folder and in each folder/album are the songs in mp3 format
06:41:41scorche|shand how are you trying to move those folders over?
06:41:43wharfratpati see sat files that are recognized
06:41:48wharfratpatusb
06:42:04scorche|shi mean with what program?
06:42:06wharfratpatjust dragging them over
06:42:23wharfratpatits noit mine....just trying to get songs onto it for a freind
06:42:31wharfratpati know nothin about it
06:42:49scorche|share you using rockbox on it?
06:42:49*wharfratpat is an ipod guy
06:42:59wharfratpatno
06:43:06scorche|shthen why are you here?
06:43:19wharfratpatjust trying to get it get albums on it
06:43:20scorche|shthis is #rockbox....where we talk about rockbox-related items only
06:43:27wharfratpati dont know where to start
06:43:43scorche|shthis is not a general help channel
06:43:45wharfratpatwikipedia had this link on it and it says rockbox can be used on the f10
06:44:14scorche|shyes it can
06:45:03wharfratpatwill it allow me to put album folders with mp3s on it?
06:45:16scorche|shit will
06:45:26wharfratpatsorry...im not familair with this type of player
06:45:46*wharfratpat is ignorant but willing to learn
06:46:03scorche|shbe aware though that rockbox is not a computer program...it is a replacement firmware for the device
06:46:31wharfratpatok...if i put rockbox firmware on the f10 will it fprmat it?
06:46:37wharfratpatformat?
06:47:13scorche|shit will not...you can see the manual for installation instructions and such
06:47:44wharfratpathe has songs on there that are sat format which i beleive is a encryption particualr to the f10
06:47:53wharfratpatcorrect?
06:48:18scorche|shrockbox will not read the sat files
06:48:33wharfratpatso if i put rockbox on the device....firmware change...will it delete waht is on it right now?
06:49:15scorche|shno
06:49:35wharfratpatbut....they wont be readable since they are sat...correct?
06:49:43scorche|shnot in rockbox
06:50:09wharfratpati apprecate the help btw
06:50:27wharfratpatjust making sure i dont mess anything up
06:50:32wharfratpat:)
06:51:22wharfratpatok....i know this is not a genral forum for the f10 but is there a program that will aloow me to add mp3 folders on the f10?
06:51:34scorche|shif you know it is off-topic then why ask it?
06:51:36wharfratpatother than rockbox?
06:51:47scorche|shand rockbox is not a program...as i already said
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06:51:52wharfratpati know
06:52:02wharfratpatfirmware
06:52:59wharfratpati just dont know where to start...can you possibly point me in the right direction?
06:53:14scorche|shthe manual is a good start as i have also already suggested ;)
06:53:25wharfratpati dont have one
06:53:34scorche|shthe rockbox manual
06:56:42wharfratpatwhat do i do with the sat files thatare already on it? any conversion i can do since rockbox doesnt support sat encryption format?
06:59:42scorche|shhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Remove_SAT_Encryption_Optional
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07:31:59matehortuajejeje RTFM jeje
07:33:57scorche|shmatehortua: unnecessary..
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07:58:56matehortuasorry scorche
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08:01:38matehortuai entered this room, to ask if there is any reason why Rockbox doesnt work on IpodClassic
08:02:04matehortuaor if there is any advance or workaround to make it work?
08:02:09scorche|shno one is currently working on it
08:02:31matehortuawhy does it not work on this version?
08:02:40matehortuawhats so different about it?
08:02:58scorche|shmany reasons really...encryption, completely different hardware, etc
08:03:15scorche|shsee: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/18/rockbox-on-the-ipod-classic/
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08:20:26matehortuascorche|sh: do you use linux?
08:22:09matehortuawhat software do you use or recommend me to work your iPod in Linux ?
08:23:36GodEatercp/mv/rsync
08:24:44matehortua?
08:25:10GodEaterthose are three pieces of software that I use to "work my ipod" in linux
08:26:08matehortuai suppose becouse you have RockBox working on it
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08:26:13BigBambiI just drag and drop, same as with Windows or anything else
08:26:23BigBambimatehortua: Er yes, this is #rockbox....
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08:26:31GodEaterwell if you *don't* have rockbox working on it, you're in the wrong place
08:26:32matehortuajejejeje yep
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08:27:09matehortuaim trying but i yust learned that Rockbox doesnt support my iPod Classic
08:27:10matehortua:)
08:27:28GodEaterin which case - you're seeking support in the wrong place
08:27:32BigBambiThen please don't ask generic ipod questions here
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08:28:23matehortuai wanna change my iPod S.O or firmware, if Rockbox doesnt support do you have any other recomendation?
08:28:37BigBambiNo
08:28:39GodEaterthere isn't any other firmware for it
08:29:50matehortuaok, hope someday you support it, till then tanx BigBambi and GodEater for the aggresive help
08:29:52matehortuabye
08:30:09*BigBambi kicks GodEater right in his help gland
08:30:22massiveHthat's gotta smart...
08:30:26*GodEater had it removed, and it's in a jar on the shelf
08:30:37GodEaterso you should probably pick the glass out of your foot
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10:04:53LloreanHi. Saw a recent commit by sdoyan. I don't really understand the language stuff, but it kinda looks to me like it hard-codes the units to read "s" and "min" independent of language? Did he talk over the commit in here at all, since I thought preglow had been talking about a fix for this?
10:05:17LloreanIn fact, I haven't heard much from him at all except drive by commits from time to time.
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10:06:47pixelmaI was really surprised by that commit too, esecially thinking about preglow's work on it too. And I also wondered if that was something that "violated" the feature freeze
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10:07:39LloreanI don't think simply changing the units would've violated the feature freeze.
10:07:59LloreanBut to me that seems like it would've been a simpler change than what this is.
10:08:09pixelmaand I would also like to see more communication
10:08:17LloreanSimply changing the units to seconds, then multiplying all the current values * 60 and adding a few lower ones.
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10:11:45LloreanI will also admit I'd have like to have just heard more from him before making the change anyway. Since people had discussed it both ways in here, it seems somewhat unilateral of him to commit the change without at least first showing up with a patch on it, since he was in effect reverting a portion of the change that renamed it "Skip Length"
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10:16:02linuxstbLlorean: Regarding the hard-coded "s" and "mini", IIUC, that's how it was before - the unit names seem hard-coded as English in apps/gui/option_select.c. But I think the patch should use UNIT_SEC/UNIT_MIN instead of the literal strings.
10:16:47Lloreanlinuxstb: Ah. All I was looking at was the diff where he was replacing a variable for units with a static string in a few places.
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10:18:05LloreanI personally would've preferred 900 s to 15 min if it would mean it was easier to be multilingual, but since apparently it's not either way
10:18:06*Llorean shrug
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10:52:53amiconnLlorean: Changing the formatter to use the localised unit isn't difficult. But I'm kinda pissed by sdoyon committing stuff without any preceding discussion. Btw, it's not the first time...
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10:57:04JdGordonoohh... whats he dont this time?
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10:57:37LloreanJdGordon: Some changes to Skip Length (adding seconds back into the mix, possibly in not the best way) and doing something with the Time reading
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11:06:21*amiconn doesn't understand why one could need skip lengths in the seconds range. Seeking is more flexible...
11:07:30n1samiconn: for blind users i can imagine it is easier to know how far you skip if it is set to a fixed skip length than if you search as there is no voice feedback for seeking iirc
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11:12:40Lloreanamiconn: I can understand 30 seconds. And MAYBE 15.
11:12:44LloreanBut 1, 2, 3, and 5...
11:13:42*linuxstb would probably use something like 5 seconds if he used the feature (which he would if it was on a button-combo, rather than a setting)
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11:39:51*JdGordon finds the case discussion funny
11:41:11JdGordonhas anyone else started fixing up the skip setting?
11:46:01linuxstbsdoyon's commit?
11:46:28JdGordonyeah, i tihnk it coud be done a bit nicer
11:46:55linuxstbHow? The only problem I can see is that it should use UNIT_MIN/UNIT_SEC instead of "s" and "min".
11:47:19JdGordonalso hardcoding the valid values in defeats the purpose of using the TABLE_SETTING macro
11:53:36JdGordondo these values look better? The point of th setting is more for minute jumping, not seconds so there should be more > 60...
11:53:37JdGordon0,2,7,10,20,30,45,60,90,120,180,300,600,900
11:54:34Lloreansdoyan seems to think the point of it is more for second jumping.
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12:00:54LloreanJdGordon: If you could fix it without changing the values, I think that may be better. Otherwise it's just going to spawn an argument about the purpose of the function, since it's pretty clear sdoyan thinks it's for very small skips.
12:01:30linuxstbI agree - keep the two issues separate.
12:01:35JdGordonright, but it does allow arbitrary values so if you manually edit config.cfg you can put whatever you want
12:02:09JdGordonbut ok, fair enhough
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12:07:54pondlifeShould the home page news mention the feature freeze?
12:08:04peturit should
12:08:32BigBambi_Everyone combine to put forth their Swede summoning powers!
12:08:45pondlifeBork
12:09:21LloreanJdGordon: You have an e200?
12:09:36JdGordonyeah
12:09:59LloreanAny chance you could test this (mainly just because you're around, and it may be related to sdoyan's time-screen commit) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9297
12:10:22linuxstbBigBambi_: You mean "Bagder_: ping" ?
12:10:25LloreanI can't seem to find about half the players I broguht to devcon. =/
12:10:49BigBambi_linuxstb: That feels like cheating somehow
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12:12:22JdGordonLlorean: not atm, in a few hours maybe....
12:12:55LloreanI just realized it probably means line-scrolling not "wheel scrolling"
12:12:59LloreanSo maybe I can test on my gigabeat
12:13:23pixelmaLlorean: did you leeve them in the socks? ;)
12:13:29pixelmaleave too
12:14:19Lloreanpixelma: No, I definitely removed them from the socks.
12:14:31LloreanI just put them someplace "safe" in the name of "finally getting the new apartment more organized"
12:14:43LloreanJdGordon: Ah, yeah, if lines are supposed to scroll, they definitely aren't now.
12:15:20JdGordon:/ *shocked* .... totally shocked :p
12:16:13LloreanWell, I don't know if they did before, I never used that screen, and my font's pretty small anyway
12:16:24pondlifeThey used to scroll
12:16:30LloreanWell they definitely don't now.
12:16:31Llorean:(
12:16:36pondlifeRead my comment on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9297
12:16:59pondlifeI've been over this before, didn't realise that sdoyon's fix broke scrolling though
12:17:21pondlife(IIRC, I explicitly told him to check this...
12:17:22pondlife)
12:17:39LloreanI thought most of the things he removed were things explicitly added in the past to make sure scrolling can keep working
12:17:47LloreanI seem to recall problems on that screen in a similar vein in the past
12:18:01pondlifeThe list code has a talk_shutup() (or whatever it is) that stops voice output if a list handler returns ACTION_NONE.
12:18:12pondlifeThis was added to shut up the voice quickly when browsing
12:18:22pondlifeA good idea, but it backfires here
12:18:46pondlifeBetter to remove all voice support from the list code itself, and make the speech callbacks responsible
12:18:56pondlifeThen we can have our cake and eat it...
12:19:12pondlifeOr rather, have our voice that shuts up nicely, and still scroll
12:19:35pondlifeI might be over-simplifying - best to see if sdoyon can comment further
12:20:16pondlifeThat poor screen has never had both voice and scrolling working nicely. ;)
12:21:16LloreanVoicing was working somewhat decently before wasn't it?
12:21:18pixelmayeah, I remember that going back and forth...
12:21:34LloreanLike, not perfect, but at least it voiced *and* scrolled
12:21:38pondlifeYes, but the talk_shutup() stuff in gui/list.c broke it
12:21:50pondlifeIIRC, of course... it's been a while
12:23:32pondlifeSorry, I mean voiced and scrolled and updated the clock
12:23:35LloreanFrom the task entry (I wish he'd used FS# instead of B# so I don't have to type it each time i go back) it sounds like he knew it'd break scrolling. =/
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13:14:47patrakovI have installed rockbox onto my iPod Video 80GB. May I use it to benchmark my own code (not meant for inclusion into rockbox) on the ARM CPU? If so, where to start reading?
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13:22:44LinusNpatrakov: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins
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13:24:09patrakovLinusN: thanks - which functions do I need in order to measure the time consumed by my code?
13:24:46LinusN1) you can read the tick counter, which has a 10ms resolution
13:24:59LinusN2) you can use a hardware timer
13:25:31LinusNyou can check the stopwatch and mpegplayer plugins for reference
13:25:42patrakovOK, will do.
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13:27:50patrakovand, how much should I scale the testcase down? I.e., on Core 2 Duo E6420 @ 2.13 GHz a testcase involving 1000000 sampes eats approximately 3 seconds (scales linearly with the number of samples), how many samples do I want to test in rockbox?
13:30:39LloreanWhy not measure a very, very small amount to get an idea of how long would be reasonable? Remember these are 80mhz lower power CPUs.
13:31:06patrakovwill try. thanks
13:33:32linuxstbOn the ipod, you probably want to use the USEC_TIMER macro - this is a 32-bit microsecond timer. e.g. "now = USEC_TIMER;".
13:34:46LinusNlinuxstb: ah, i forgot about that one
13:35:18patrakovSoap: old = USEC_TIMER; my_code(); elapsed = USEC_TIMER - old; would give me the execution time of my_code() in microseconds?
13:35:48linuxstbYes
13:36:16*GodEater wonders why Soap has been invoked
13:36:26linuxstbYou can confirm by making my_code() just be "rb->sleep(5*HZ);" - that should sleep for 5 seconds.
13:36:42linuxstb(assuming you're writing a plugin)
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14:22:45kugelJdGordon: ping, hasseling about pitchscreen
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15:28:40patrakovhm. when converted to a plugin, my code crashes. thanks for letting me notice this :)
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15:29:39linuxstbIs there an error message, or does it just freeze?
15:29:47patrakovjust freezes. OTOH, am I allowed to use large static tables like this? static const int32_t auf[9][24][256] = {...}
15:30:28linuxstbThe stack is only 9KB, but static arrays should be fine (the linker will complain if they are too big)
15:30:43linuxstbOn the ipods, plugins have 512KB for code and data.
15:30:45patrakovAh, so it is the stack
15:31:47JdGordonkugel: pong.... not tonight
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15:34:01patrakovOTOH, still strange, because the stack usage is big in the function that is definitely not reached (unless display updates after rb->splash() are asynchronous). let me debug the problem by commenting put parts of my code then.
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15:37:08n1sshouldn't a stack overflow result in a stkov panic?
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15:38:40patrakovno, it was definitely a stack overflow. overlooked one function
15:38:43linuxstbn1s: In theory, but the stack is only checked on task switches (IIUC), so the damage may not be noticed before it causes a crash
15:39:52n1sah
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15:45:59patrakovoops, thunderstorm here. will continue debugging later. thanks for your help!
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16:04:38ikmhi people
16:04:44LloreanLinusN: Isn't the 300 byte limit only applicable to the database? I seem to recall the tags still display fine in the WPS.
16:06:09ikmsorry to bother, but does anyone know the current status of the mp3 encoder used by the recording screen on iriver? how good does it performs, is it still the shine-based code? sorry to bother, but the wiki doesn't seem to reflect much on the current state
16:06:44LinusNLlorean: i'm not sure, really
16:06:56Lloreanikm: It hasn't really had many changed applied to it any time recently. There's always the changelog to see how recently a given file has been updated.
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16:07:35peturikm: iirc there was a patch in the tracker with enhancements, don't know if it is committed already
16:07:41LloreanLinusN: I *think* in regards to talk of the behaviour on the forums it's usually the database they're complaining about. Having three songs from the same album where for one the artist is "Motley Cr" and other "Motl" and the third "Mo"
16:07:42LloreanEtc.
16:08:01LinusNaha
16:08:17peturlet's just remove the database then....
16:09:00LloreanBut I'm not *certain* either way whether the tags still show up right in the WPS.
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16:09:59ikmLlorean petur: thanks i'll take a look
16:10:07peturikm: just checked, that patch is in SVN now, so quality should be better now
16:10:21peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9007
16:10:27peturhttp://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/codecs/mp3_enc.c?view=log
16:14:38ikmpetur: thank you
16:15:16ikmi tried recording and well, it seems to be working, though don't know for how much time the battery would hold with this encoder.
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16:16:41ikmwhat's nice is that it records something like 25 minutes without turning on hd and trashing the record with it, that's why i'm interested mostly
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16:25:55ikmbye then, thanks:)
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16:46:32ColdMonsterHi every body
16:46:55ColdMonsterjust one fast thing what kind of movies files does rockbox supports
16:47:00BigBambiMPEG1/2
16:47:08ColdMonsterjust those?
16:47:11BigBambiSee www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer
16:47:15BigBambiyes, just those
16:47:36ColdMonsterthanks BigBambi
16:47:37preglowany reason units in rockbox aren't translated?
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16:47:54preglowthings like "s" and "min" seem to be hardcoded
16:49:01linuxstbpreglow: I was wondering that... The voicing seems to be translated though.
16:51:06preglowlinuxstb: yeah, so i see no reason the text isn't
16:51:24preglowi was going to implement what sdoyon just did, and jumped across that
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17:31:53n3klHi. I have an alpine deck in my car. Wondering if anyone has seen this work. I tried it this morning and I got nothing, but perhaps someone in here knows of a hack or something?
17:35:23Lloreann3kl: You might want to be a little more specific as to what you're asking about.
17:35:59LloreanAt the moment I'm not entirely sure what you're asking about in relation to Rockbox.
17:37:07n3klI have a car stereo that has an ipod interface. The deck communicates with the ipod directly, but I don't know how. Wondering if there is a way to get rockbox to work on this deck?
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17:39:31Lloreann3kl: Well there's a patch in the tracker for the beginning of support for the iPod accessory protocol.
17:39:48LloreanThat's probably not going to get it fully working, but it's where you'd want to begin if you want to help contribute.
17:40:43n3klLlorean: can you link me to the patch, if you don't mind?
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17:41:27peturI guess http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginAlpineCDC is not relevant here?
17:41:44Lloreann3kl: Just search the tracker, I'd have to search for it too anyway. See the "patches" link on the left bar.
17:41:49Lloreanpetur: That's for the Archos, I believe.
17:41:56peturyes
17:41:57webguest97I have some chinese music and am trying to create .talk clips for it. Unfortunately, rbutil is just showing the "ok" button even when the clips were not made and voicebox+ is giving me an error about some missing ). Could somebody help? I was able to make english clips fine.
17:43:13n3klLlorean: found it. Thanks. I will see where I might be able to help.
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17:57:52domonokywebguest97 : is there any error message from rbutil ?
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19:24:50amiconnIs anyone going to revert r18309, or in favour of doing so?
19:25:24amiconnTrading one bug for the other isn't what I'd call a fix...
19:26:47gevaertsIt was during the freeze. If it introduces any problem at all, I'd say revert
19:28:07amiconnIt fixes the voice problem, at the cost of reintroducing the scroll problem
19:28:46amiconnI'm not talking about the insane skip lengths, those are debatable but don not introduce a bug
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19:31:54linuxstbIt sounds to me as if it should be reverted - pondlife has said he thinks he warned sdoyon about breaking scrolling in the past...
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19:32:31amiconnIs there something in the logs?
19:32:59linuxstbI'm referring to what pondlife said here about 7 hours ago
19:34:02amiconnI noticed that , but I'd prefer to know when where the actual warning was given (here or on the ml, whatever)
19:34:25linuxstbI've no idea.
19:34:34bertrikwhat exactly is the scrolling bug? it seems to work fine here on e200, preparing to test c200 now
19:37:09bertrikoh, horizontal scrolling
19:38:38bertrikthe battery level text scrolls left/right, but the version text does not
19:38:51linuxstbamiconn: Hmm, reading the FS task, pondlife actually told sdoyon to commit.... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9167
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20:12:14beta2kHey all
20:13:29beta2kI've got a Gigabeat F20 with r17749 that won't go into bootloader
20:13:46beta2kbootloader usb mode taht is
20:14:07beta2knor will it be detected by a computer over usb
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20:15:23fmlHello. What is the difference between queue_send and queue_post? Will events sent with queue_post be handled asynchronously?
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20:42:03toffe82beta2k: it is not detected at all ? did you try the OF ?
20:44:07fmlhrm... Do I undestand it correctly that the code in drivers/button.c and the code in firmware/backlight.c runs in two different threads?
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20:44:41star_jasminehi... I have a possible bug that I wonder if anyone could help with. I'm using a sansa e200 running the current build of rockbox. the resume playback used to resume, but it now will randomly drop me at other points in the file. I am using .m4a files tha are lengthy
20:46:38gevaertsWhich revision were you running before (the one where it worked) ?
20:47:52star_jasminer17907
20:48:04star_jasminer17907-080701 sorry
20:48:15Reptile211my ipod mini is dead!!!!
20:48:48star_jasmineI forgot the date on the first one
20:49:08gevaertsNo problem. The revision (the first bit) is most interesting anyway
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20:50:26linuxstbReptile211: Sorry to hear that. Why are you telling us?
20:51:04gevaertsSo either bookmarks or m4a broke
20:51:32star_jasminethe recent bookmarks that are separate from resume playback work just fine, but when play is pressed after it is either powered on, or stopped, many times, the position won't be remembered
20:51:44star_jasmineyes
20:51:50star_jasmineI haven't tried with mp3s
20:51:51Reptile211because i want to share my grief
20:51:55star_jasmineor any other formats
20:52:46*gevaerts looks around for people who touched m4a or bookmarks during the last two months
20:53:07amiconnDid m4a resume ever work?
20:53:37star_jasmineyes
20:54:16star_jasminein the build that I posted to the channel. r17907-080701
20:54:47star_jasmineit is hit and miss now
20:55:39*gevaerts shows his ignorance for a bit
20:55:51gevaertsIs m4a a container format, or does it imply a specific codec?
20:55:51RalpH_himselfhi there! I have a problem with my self-brewed WPS, the following line doen't work: %?lh<%t1%xdh;%t1%xdi|>
20:55:52beta2ktoffe82: Can't boot it to USB mode to remove the RB loader :)
20:56:38pixelmaRalpH_himself: you can't put the %t inside the conditional
20:56:47saratogam4a is ALAC and AAC (at the moment)
20:56:58RalpH_himselfthanks, problem solved
20:57:00beta2kand since no one has been able to get dual boot working... :(
20:57:29RalpH_himself@pixelma: works %t before the conditional or some other workaraound?
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20:57:50star_jasminewell, when itunes says encode to aac, puts the extension .m4a. I'm not sure. would it be mp4 then? *shrug*
20:58:26RalpH_himselfstar_jasmine: one of them is protected, the other one is not
20:58:57pixelmayes, it works before - you could write it like that: %t4%?lh<%xdh|>;%t4%?lh<%xdi|>
20:59:20linuxstbRalpH_himself: No, "m4p" is the convention for encrypted files.
20:59:20star_jasminethis isn't protected
20:59:34star_jasmineit is unprotected .m4a or aac if you prefer.
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21:00:16gevaertssaratoga: according to the logs, you touched aac recently. I can't immediately see any bookmark related change that could cause this. Any chance of your changes breaking positioning?
21:00:30RalpH_himself.m4p is protected .m4a - as easy as it gets ^^
21:00:31pixelmaRalpH_himself: what player do you write this WPS for?
21:00:41RalpH_himselfipod color
21:00:49RalpH_himselftwo of them laying around ;)
21:01:14beta2kWant to donate one for dev use? :)
21:01:29toffe82beta2k: recovery mode
21:01:41beta2kwouldn't boot to recovery mode
21:01:46beta2kjust kept shutting itself down
21:01:48pixelmaok, just asking because players which have a real HD activity LED don't have that tag
21:02:04beta2kI think it's MB is toast :(
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21:02:30RalpH_himselfbeta2k: one has an almost broken hd, and one will be built into my oldschool-80's-aiwa-ghettoblaster where I have removed all the entrails last week ;)
21:02:37toffe82beta2k: I should be able to fix it if you want
21:03:00beta2kIdeas on the problem?
21:03:05gevaertsRalpH_himself: I don't think many devs care about the state of the hd
21:03:15beta2kI only bought this one for it's LCD :)
21:03:27beta2kBut being able to use it for a portable HD would be cool
21:03:35saratogagevaerts: I'm the only one to touch it in years, and no nothing I did would impact that
21:03:37beta2kSo I was thinking of trying to revive it
21:03:58RalpH_himselfgevaerts: that's a good point... but I prefer to wait to recieve another with a broken mainboard to fix that ;)
21:04:26beta2kDo the colors use ZIF hd's?
21:04:48RalpH_himselfjup
21:04:58RalpH_himselfand i hope the videos do so too
21:05:13BigBambiwww.rockbox.org/wiki/HardDriveReplacement
21:05:19RalpH_himselfhaven't got one open yet... only a matter of time
21:05:27BigBambiThe ipod color is not ZIF
21:05:34BigBambiThe video is
21:05:40*gevaerts shoves hardware repairers into #rockbox-community
21:05:59RalpH_himselfmixed up... sorry
21:06:21star_jasminejust a comment on the m4a problem. it started in august. can't say where, but before the aac changes took effect in the changelog
21:06:41gevaertsstar_jasmine: could you try some older builds from http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=sansae200 ? Narrowing down the exact moment it broke would be useful
21:07:01beta2kI've got a 60gig drive from a 5.5g if anyone can use it
21:07:04star_jasminesure
21:07:06star_jasmineno problem
21:07:08star_jasminehold on
21:16:44star_jasminetrying the earliest one on the page
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21:26:31bluebrotherdomonoky: if I make BootloaderInstallBase use a parent parameter to a QObject, do I need to explicitly pass the parent to the derived BootloaderInstall* classes?
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21:29:27domonokyäh, the otherway round. both BootloaderInstallBase and BootloaderInstall* should take a QObject as parent. Constructor of Bootloader* calls BootloaderInstallBase(parent), and the constructor of this gives parent to QObject...
21:30:22bluebrotherhmm. But I shouldn't need to do that explicitly, do I? As the constructor calls the constructor of the base class first
21:30:32domonokylike BootloaderInstallHex::BootloaderInstallHex(QObject* parent) : BootloaderInstallBase(parent) { ... } and in the base class the same for a QObject..
21:30:47bluebrotherok, got you.
21:31:07star_jasmineok... I tried version r18043-080715
21:31:26star_jasminewith the same results
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21:32:01star_jasminethe m4a file didn't resume properly with the resume playback. it only resumes from bookmarks created specifically for that folder/file
21:33:29gevaertsSo it broke between r17907 and r18043
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21:34:34star_jasmineyes
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21:35:42holschercan i play music on my ipod while it's charging?
21:35:58gevaertsstar_jasmine: Do you have some mp3 or ogg or other files to test with?
21:36:45star_jasmineyes I"ll test it with the broken build
21:37:26gevaertsholscher: yes. Have a look in the manual (Quickstart->Charging)
21:40:18RalpH_himselfholscher: with a charger yes - with your computer no
21:40:24star_jasmineit worked with mp3s as far as I could tell
21:40:39star_jasminewith the older build that I told you about.
21:42:03gevaertsRalpH_himself: why not?
21:42:33star_jasmineI was trying elngthy m4a files and shorter mp3s. not sure if that makes a difference
21:42:50ChristopherWAre there any core developers who can look at FS #9301? It's a really small fix for a little bug in the FM presets list.
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21:43:04ChristopherW...and test it too?
21:43:26RalpH_himselfgevaerts: I haven't yet managed to get the iPod into charging only mode when connected to the pc
21:43:38fmlDoes the code in drivers/button.c gets executed in the same thread as the code in apps/action.c?
21:43:43RalpH_himselfcorrect: into playing mode
21:43:48gevaertsRalpH_himself: it should work
21:43:53RalpH_himselflet's try
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21:45:57gevaertsstar_jasmine: There are some long mp3s at http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2008/ (about 2 hours)
21:46:40holschergevaerts, i'll take a look...
21:47:03RalpH_himselfgevaerts: it works with the OF as expected: if i click on disconnect, the iPod goes into charging mode and works as usual
21:47:30RalpH_himselfbut with rockbox running it shows only "iPod can be disconnected"
21:47:48gevaertsOK, but that's not the way you have to do it :)
21:48:03RalpH_himselfhow else?
21:48:07pixelmaand it's not running Rockbox at that point
21:48:18RalpH_himselfi know, disk mode...
21:48:32gevaertsSee the manual chapter I referred holscher to
21:48:33bluebrotherdoing it the wrong way is a really good reason to claim something not working ;-)
21:48:54holschergevaerts, thanks. it worked
21:49:21RalpH_himselfit never was a problem for me anyway, so i didn't even try ;)
21:50:23holscherRalpH_himself, you have to hold down "menu" while you connect the usb cable
21:50:29gevaertsRalpH_himself: once the rockbox usb stack is ready, it will work like you described. We're not there yet however
21:51:17RalpH_himselfok, i figured out that one right now
21:51:43RalpH_himselflearned already 2 things about rockbox today ^^
21:54:01star_jasmineok. I"ll try with those
21:54:05star_jasminethanks
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21:57:53webguest97No there is no message from rbutil.
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22:01:08star_jasminedownloading it now
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22:02:35domonokywebguest97: could you provide a testfile somewhere, so i could try to reproduce this problem.. :-)
22:03:11bluebrotherno message from doing what?
22:04:10star_jasminea test m4a file?
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22:04:43star_jasminea question off topic... the sansa view is awful in is native firmware. its buggy, etc. how is the development going for it?
22:04:43webguest97chinese mp3. Where would be a good place?
22:04:57domonokywebguest97 seems to have a very long ping... his question was at 17:41:42 .. :-)
22:05:36webguest97I went away, then checked the logs.
22:06:01domonokya empty file with the corresponding filename should be enough.. we are creating talkfile out of the filename :-)
22:06:27webguest97Where to put the file?
22:07:29domonokyyou could mail me at: <mynick>@googlemail.com or put it one some online file storage...
22:07:51webguest97try a file called "青梅竹馬(周治平).mp3"
22:08:28domonokyi cant see the correct chars here in irc, i need the file..
22:09:27webguest97I just sent it.
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22:11:50webguest97I don't know how english voices react to chinese text, though.
22:12:22domonokywhich tts engine did you use ?
22:12:39domonokyand are the talk files just missing or are they empty ?
22:12:47webguest97neospeech's "VW Wang". It is a manderin chinese voice.
22:13:02webguest97missing
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22:13:36domonokyoki.. still waiting for the mail.. :-) (you did insert my nickname? :)
22:14:00*bluebrother just created a voicefile for a filename with characters he can't read
22:14:05bluebrotheron linux, though ;-)
22:14:09webguest97I just typed in "mymick@googlemail.com". Maybe the <&> signs should have been in there?
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22:14:42domonokyno... use my nickname. ie: domonoky@ ....
22:14:45*bluebrother looks for forehead
22:15:12webguest97Oh, I understand. You were trying to hide it from spam robits. Tricky!
22:15:14bluebrotherdomonoky: you need a file with these nice characters?
22:16:20*domonoky wants all strange files to put into his .talk file test folder :-)
22:16:21bluebrotherhttp://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/empty.7z
22:16:29webguest97I sent it.
22:16:40domonokybluebrother: forbidden :-)
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22:17:16bluebrotherdomonoky: try again
22:17:32bluebrothermaybe we should start collecting "strange" filenames in an archive?
22:18:03*webguest97 is going to the bathroom
22:18:28star_jasminestill downloading this mp3 file
22:19:10gevaertsThat's the trouble with long mp3 files. They are also big...
22:19:10*webguest97 is back
22:20:05domonokywebguest97: could you resend the file in a zip ? please :-)
22:21:16webguest97Compressed (zipped) Folders Error
22:21:17webguest97The compression cannot be performed because the file or directory 'C:\scripts\青梅竹馬(周治平).mp3' contains characters in its name that
22:21:17webguest97Compressed (zipped) Folders cannot store: 青梅竹馬周治平
22:21:17DBUGEnqueued KICK webguest97
22:21:17webguest97OK
22:21:27webguest97Compressed (zipped) Folders Error
22:21:27domonokybluebrothers file fails to encode for me... lets check the cause..
22:21:27webguest97The compression cannot be performed because the file or directory 'C:\scripts\青梅竹馬(周治平).mp3' contains characters in its name that
22:21:27webguest97Compressed (zipped) Folders cannot store: 青梅竹馬周治平
22:21:27webguest97OK
22:21:34star_jasmineyes
22:21:37CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
22:21:37*star_jasmine grins
22:21:42webguest97Chinese chars cannot be handled by zips.
22:22:01domonokymaybe another compression program ? like 7z ?
22:22:17webguest97Sorry for the double post.
22:22:36webguest97Hold on a sec.
22:23:14bluebrotherdomonoky: you noticed that I put such a file in that archive? ;-)
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22:23:46webguest97downloading 7z.
22:24:03bluebrotherhaving your system completely running on utf-8 is really nice in such cases ;-)
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22:26:02star_jasmineok. I"m finished downloading the file, and will now test it
22:26:25gevaertsI hope it's not too boring
22:26:28webguest97sent
22:26:58star_jasminelisteing to the first few minutes, it doesn't seem like it will be
22:27:03star_jasminelistening
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22:32:03star_jasmineok
22:32:47star_jasmineits fine on mp3s. it even gives you a few miliseconds backwards when resuming, so you hear the last bit of what you were playing before bookmarking.
22:33:34star_jasminefastforwarding mroe in the file just to make sure
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22:36:58star_jasmineok. that's fine also in mp3. I went 48 minutes into the file, which is where I was in the m4a file. it resumed fine with the mp3
22:37:35gevaertsSo it is m4a specific
22:38:17star_jasmineyes
22:38:49webguest97domonoky: are you there?
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22:40:02domonokyjup, first analysis shows, that at least for me, the sapi engine silently failes to create the wav file. and then encoding fails. (with a error message for me)...
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22:41:01webguest97What voice are you using?
22:42:12domonokyjust a standart english voice, i dont have a chinese one aviailable
22:43:05webguest97That's what I mean about not knowing how english voices react to chinese text. What's the best way to debug this?
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22:45:33gevaertsstar_jasmine: could you submit a bug report? I don't know anything about m4a, and I don't spot any suspicious commits in that range, so someone else will have to look at this
22:48:01star_jasmineok sure
22:48:47domonokywebguest97: if you want to poke on this problem, you could try creating a wav file with this name and content with the sapi_voice.vbs script (in svn /tools). rbutil uses this for sapi voices...
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22:50:50RalpH_himselfhey guys, one more question: can I have write-permissions on the Wiki to upload my new Theme?
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22:51:36domonokystart it with: "cscript //nologo sapi_voice.vbs /language:chinese" and generate a file with: "SPEAK <tab> test.wav <tab> text-to-speak <enter>" and then "SYNC <tab> bla <enter>" and "QUIT <enter>" to stop the script..
22:52:01domonokyRalpH_himself: you wikiname ?
22:52:42webguest97What are the terminal commands to do this?
22:52:50fmlCan I use the DEBUGF macro in drivers/button.c? Or is it only usable in the apps code? I don't get any output in the sim.
22:53:06RalpH_himselfdomonoky: SandroGaehler
22:53:46domonokyRalpH_himself: promise not to Spam !! *done*
22:53:51RalpH_himselfkay
22:54:00RalpH_himselfi'll do my best...
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22:55:29fmlOr where should the output of DEBUGF appear?
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22:57:37rasherdomonoky: It gets difficult when dealing with utf8 though. Especially since the windows commandline can be all sorts of odd encodings
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22:58:42webguest97I was going to work in the cygwin terminal
22:59:06rasherI don't think that's better, but I guess we won't know by sitting on our hands, so don't let me stop you
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23:00:36webguest97What do I type to create such a talk clip?
23:01:06fmlAnybody? Where should the output of the DEBUGF appear (H120 sim under linux)?
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23:01:47Bagderfml: in the terminal you started the sim in
23:02:39rasherwebguest97: what domonoky typed 20 lines up
23:05:12star_jasmineI"m trying to file a bug report, and register myself. I haven't got the activation email though. can someone help?
23:06:04fmlBagder: ok, that's what I assume. But it doesn't. Does the sim use the same drivers/button.c as the target?
23:06:57rasherfml: Did you enable debugf in configure?
23:07:13Bagderfml: no it doesn't
23:08:05fmlrasher: it's a sim build so DEBUGF should be on.
23:08:17fmlBagder: aha, that's the reason then!
23:08:17rasherOh right
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23:09:28webguest97rasher: it says "error - found no voice for chinese" or something like that.
23:09:32*linuxstb wonders how the SoC projects are going - today is the "pencils down" day...
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23:10:51gevaertsBagder: can you do admin stuff on flyspray?
23:11:06BagderI can, yes
23:11:56gevaertsCan you have a look at star_jasmine's problem?
23:13:15Bagderwell, I don't see any such user
23:14:09BagderI guess the interface just doesn't display users until they are verified
23:14:49gevaertsSo the verification mail probably got stuck in some spam filter somewhere...
23:15:27amiconnrasher, domonoky (fro the logs): sapi_voice.vbs will error out if there is no voice installed for the specified language
23:15:57amiconnAnd nowadays sapi_voice.vbs stdio communication uses utf16le all the way
23:16:20star_jasminenever mind. it was my fault. I don't have a jaber ID, and it was giving me problems
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23:18:48star_jasmineI don't use jabber. will that matter
23:19:05Bagdernope
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23:21:25star_jasminethis isn't working for some reason.
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23:22:45RalpH_himselfme again: how can I upload my theme?
23:23:00RalpH_himselfI have already made a .zip file according to the rules
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23:24:55star_jasmineit says my id or email address is already taken. I can give it out to see what is going on. arwynevenstar2@yahoo.com
23:26:06star_jasmineI haven't registered before though. odd
23:26:18linuxstbRalpH_himself: Have you seen these instructions? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery#UploadGuide
23:26:33RalpH_himselfuups
23:26:33gevaertsIt probably half-accepted the first attempt.
23:27:33RalpH_himselfok i just missed the attach button :P
23:30:24*gevaerts wonders if Bagder might not find a non-verified user list hidden somewhere behind an unlikely link
23:31:33Bagderif so, the link is so unlikely that I haven't found it...
23:32:57gevaertsThe lost password thing also doesn't seem to work for unverified users
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23:34:59gevaertsstar_jasmine: can you try again with a different username?
23:38:08gevaertsFrom what I can see only the username can't be the same as the one in a failed attempt. The email address can be
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23:43:30RalpH_himselfok I messed up with the hide option...
23:45:10RalpH_himselfnever mind
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