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#rockbox log for 2008-08-20

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00:01:00SoapWorknick Soap_
00:02:17petursyntax error
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00:04:51amiconnpetur: I'll recheck this valnogood thing now. Iirc the s/pdif output of the archos has the same problem
00:05:34peturwell I already closed the task, but if you think we can ignore this bit...
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00:08:17amiconnpetur: Yes, exactly the same problem (although the overall status word is different). Val: −−
00:11:07preglowpetur: i don't really know too much about spdif
00:11:23preglowpetur: i implemented it mainly as a challenge, and even then needed help from amiconn to actually finish it
00:11:51peturok, sorry for waking you up then
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00:15:10Sammy?
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00:17:17preglowpetur: no worries :)
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00:25:22webguesti have a question about my sansa e270?
00:26:04webguestanybody there?
00:26:06LambdaCalculus37Ask your question.
00:26:06linuxstbwebguest: Just ask (assuming it's Rockbox related)
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00:26:48webguesti installed rockbox and tried to play my mpg file videos and it just freezes everytime
00:27:15linuxstbDid you convert your videos for your Sansa, or are they just random mpg files you had already?
00:27:35webguestalready had them from my camera
00:28:01advcomp2019webguest, are you sure they are mpeg or mpeg2
00:28:11linuxstbThat's probably the problem. Rockbox shouldn't crash, but it will only play certain mpeg files
00:28:31linuxstbwebguest: See here for details - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
00:28:43webguestthe extension says .mpg
00:29:05beta2kDoesn't matter
00:29:10LambdaCalculus37You should still convert it to play properly in Rockbox.
00:29:12beta2kThey need to be at the right resolution
00:29:44beta2kDownload Elephants Dream from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer and try it
00:30:01webguestthe screen just goes black everytime and all buttons freeze
00:30:10webguestlemme try............
00:31:25*amiconn is digging in some ooold irc logs
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00:35:23ELSockhi
00:35:35n1sso should we put general things to do in connection with the release on the ReleaseTodo page or is there a better place?
00:36:22star_jasminewhat does voice error 141 mean?
00:36:38star_jasmineI was making a sapi 4 voice with cygwin and got that error
00:37:01amiconnpetur: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20060601#01:00 :)
00:38:03peturheh... I remember that I later created a CD and played that... much easier and more reliable
00:38:30ELSockok i'm just here for a quick question (i hope its quick anyway) i installed rockbox on my 5th gen ipod, and it plays fine for a few songs then stops.... won't play anything i get a ??'s for bit rates and times... and nothing shows up for next song... any ideas?
00:38:32Lloreann1s: Maybe create a checklist portion of the page for it.
00:39:01n1ssounds like a good idea, /me goes to read up on twiki markup.
00:39:07beta2kSigh... Rockbox broke my Gigabeat! :)
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00:40:03scorche|shbeta2k: ....eh?
00:40:05webguest25i had a question bout sansa e270 earlier but got disconnected
00:40:20webguest25it wont play .mpg
00:40:24beta2kI bought this player off ebay, it's got rockbox on it and it won't detect on usb
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00:40:38beta2kIt _must_ be rockboxs fault
00:40:38linuxstbwebguest25: Did you read the page I linked you to?
00:40:53webguest25can u send that link again plz
00:41:01beta2kwebguest25: Did you try and play elephants dream?
00:41:08beta2kI'll take that as no....
00:41:10beta2khttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
00:41:29pixelmaELSock: maybe important, maybe not. What disk size is your Ipod and what build (Rockbox version) did you install exactly?
00:41:57webguest25which size should i try?
00:41:58linuxstbwebguest25: You can view the IRC logs here - http://www.rockbox.org/irc/
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00:43:55beta2kwebguest25: The page shows the sizes of the different players LCDs
00:44:49ELSocki installed
00:45:00ELSockhold a sec grabbin version number
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00:45:18ELSockr18312-080819
00:45:26ELSockand its a 60g video
00:46:42webguest25for some reason that page wont open up for me
00:46:49gevaertsELSock: did you install using rbutil,or manually?
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00:47:01ELSockmanually
00:47:20beta2kWhich page webguest?
00:47:23 Quit ender` (" Join the army, meet interesting people, kill them.")
00:47:24ELSockdl'ed the file, extracted to ipod, then dl'ed and ran the ipodpatcher for the bootloader
00:47:35gevaertsOK, so you probably picked the iPod Video 60/80GB build. Can you try the iPod Video 30GB
00:47:39gevaerts?
00:47:50ELSocki could...
00:48:39ELSocki'm not sure if this will help, but it plays ok so far, then hangs up... and i get all the ??s for times and bit rates etc... it mostly haning on some .ogg files i have..
00:48:46ELSockso far anyway
00:48:52gevaerts60 or 80GB iPods normally come with 64MB RAM, so the rockbox build for them is designed to make use of that. Some of them however only have 32MB which gives the sort of symptom you're seeing
00:49:22gevaertsIn that case, installing the build for the 30GB version helps (this 32/64MB thing is the only difference between those builds)
00:49:33ELSockoh ok mine being an older ipod.... i see your point...
00:49:38ELSocki'll try that and brb
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00:53:17ELSockwiating on the install
00:53:21ELSockwaiting even
00:55:53amiconnSomething is fishy wrt s/pdif recording on H1x0 ...
00:56:55ELSockok as far as i can tell...
00:56:57ELSocksame problem
00:57:11*amiconn got a .wav file stating it's 64kHz, although it actually is 44.1kHz (-> mickey mouse playback)
00:57:24ELSockit hangs on the ogg files... obviously now i see its prolly something with them then...
00:58:12gevaertsPossibly. Maybe try some other files. If it works, I'd recommend going back to the 60/80GB build though, it will have better battery runtime
00:59:02ELSocki'm pretty sure its the .ogg files at this point.. unless ofcourse i run into some other problems... i will switch back to the 60/80 version soon...
00:59:27ELSockjust for the sake of asking... is there some option or something i supposed to turn on for those to work or something like that?
00:59:40pixelmado your ogg files have unusually big tags, embedded album art or maybe ID3 tags?
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01:00:00pixelmano, no option
01:00:41ELSockdoesn't seem as such
01:00:48 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("Do quit now, there's a demon around the corner!")
01:00:53ELSockon the long tags that is
01:00:59ELSockas far as embedded art i'm not sure
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01:02:32n1sELSock: what encoder were they encoded with?
01:02:46n1sas in which libvorbis version?
01:03:11ELSocki'll admit to my jerkness, they were downloaded
01:03:17ELSockits a soundtrack to a movie i couldn't find
01:03:52ELSocknot a huge deal... but i'll start ripping all of my music in ogg or flac, if this gets figured out
01:04:16*shotofadds wonders if gevaerts has seen fs#9245. contains some telechips usb stuff that might be interesting...
01:04:17n1sELSock: well, use some kind of app to display tags and see if you find a comment with the encoder version
01:04:38ELSockok... any app reccomendations
01:04:40ELSock??
01:04:41n1sogginfo works nicely on linux
01:04:45ELSockhey thx
01:04:48ELSocki'm on xp
01:05:06ELSocki said thx as i read linux... i wasn't trying to be an ass there sorry
01:06:32n1sI'd guess any tag editing app that supports vorbis should be able to show thm
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01:07:21n1summ s/vorbis/ogg/
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19:09:26bluebrotherhave you actually *looked* at the server I told you? Is there a folder "fonts"?
19:09:28kgeineOkay bluebrother, you are right. I should check your URL before saying something.
19:09:33pixelmathere is a "fonts" folder on that download page
19:09:33kgeineI see it now... Sorry.
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19:09:50domonokykgeine: fonts package is also available on the download server. see: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/
19:10:58pixelmais the server running again now?
19:11:02bluebrotherdownload.rockbox.org is only an alias for some mirrors, and the one I posted earlier is just one of those (I grabbed from the nameserver reply)
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19:33:50saratogawhat does it mean when a thread calls "queue_wait"?
19:36:27bertrikI think it tries to get an item from the queue, if none is available it sleeps until an item arrives (and the thread has the priority to take the item)
19:36:49saratogaso how do I make a thread die?
19:37:35bertrikyou mean a thread that is waiting in queue_wait?
19:38:13saratogai jsut want to have a thread do 10^7 multiplies and then terminate
19:39:09saratogaheres what I've got so far: http://pastebin.com/m4defd34c
19:39:09Bagderwww.rockbox.org is back
19:39:17amiconnLooks like the real site is back up (?!)
19:39:26Bagderit is
19:39:29amiconnEh, 8 seconds too late
19:39:32Bagdernew disk, backup restored
19:39:39Bagderdns restored
19:40:09Bagderall heavy lifting was done by LinusN
19:40:36amiconnsaratoga: Nowadays you can just let the thread function exit to kill it
19:42:09amiconnBut for that test I'd just make the test loop(s) run forever, without even yielding.
19:42:52saratogawhat happens if the plugin exist while the thread is still running?
19:43:11amiconnplugin?
19:43:25saratogadepending how the scheduler works i guess it might get to the end of the plugin for getting into the infinate loop i spawn
19:44:07saratoga"before getting into the infinate loop i spawn"
19:44:15amiconnI'd do those tests in the core. And why spawn a separate thread?
19:44:25amiconnJust let the CPU loop run in the main thread
19:44:40saratogaamiconn: I want to run a loop on each CPU
19:45:04amiconnThen start the COP thread first, and enter the CPU loop afterwards
19:45:11saratogaalright
19:46:08amiconnWhat target are you using for these tests? Maybe it's possible to get some feedback that the thread(s) are actually running as intended
19:46:27saratogaSansa e200
19:47:13amiconnHmm. You could blink the button light, but that's only usable for one thread
19:47:37star_jasminedoes anyone know what the error 141 means when I try to create a sapi 4 voice with cygwin?
19:47:41saratogapresumably i'll notice that the power consumption increases significantly when the second thread spins up
19:47:59saratogai assume calling splash from both threads isn't allowed?
19:48:24amiconnIf you really want to do it in a plugin, and spawn a separate thread so that the main thread exits the plugin code, you'd need to make it a tsr plugin
19:48:28bertriklet the cpu turn it on and the cop turn it off, so it'll blink when both are running, on or off if only one is running
19:49:46bertrikchoose different intervals to desynchronise the on/off time instants of the cpu/cop
19:50:26*amiconn frequently uses LEDs hooked to gpio ports for low level debugging
19:53:37saratogacouldn't I just have the plugin spawn a thread and then enter into an infinate loop on the main core?
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20:02:04amiconnJust make sure the plugin doesn't return before the COP thread exits. An infinite loop will of course ensure this
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21:04:39jac0bany word on gigabeat s power stuff
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21:05:40Lloreanjac0b: It'll be done when it's done.
21:05:46LloreanAsking for progress reports won't make it happen any sooner.
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21:10:07jac0bi know I was on here like last week and someone said they are almost done
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21:12:22shotofaddsgevaerts: re fs#8663, shouldn't you be invalidating the data cache not the instruction cache (icache)? or have I misunderstood what you're trying to achieve...
21:13:25Lloreanjac0b: And it's still not done. Please don't ask for progress reports.
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21:15:58gevaertsshotofadds: from what I can see they are the same on portalplayer. I could be wrong of course
21:15:59amiconnshotofadds: The function invalidates the cache. PP has a unified cache; the icache name is due to the first target architecture that had a cache
21:17:14shotofaddsok, given my zsero experience on PP I thought I'd check ;)
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21:17:54gevaertsIf this patch really causes more bus resets, that's pretty interesting as there are no usb transactions active at that point
21:18:29gevaertsIt might mean that some usb related function gets pushed out of the cache and then ends up too slow
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21:19:11bertrikjac0b, last I read is that jhMikes was busy with other non-rockbox things
21:19:19gevaertsSo maybe we just need some ICODE_ATTRs to make usb work properly...
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21:19:56amiconngevaerts: I rather think the cache flushes delay usb interrupts too much
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21:20:17gevaertsamiconn: there shouldn't be any interrupt then
21:20:46amiconnReally? I thought we're transferring and writing in parallel for performance. USB uses dma, right?
21:20:47bertrikI though USB wasn't that time critical and that the really critical stuff was handled by the hardware anyway
21:21:45gevaertsThe code can handle parallel transfers, but that's disabled for the sansas as it did agravate the corruption issue
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21:22:48bertrikI intend to have a look at the usb interrupt handling again
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21:46:04LambdaCalculus37Nice, now shut up and buy it. ;)
21:46:09Nico_Plinuxstb: I think my patch for direct-from-flash-buffering is more or less ready
21:47:28KopfgeldjaegerLambdaCalculus37: already did that :) 2 are still available
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22:46:01*gevaerts finds that he hasn't tried usb on his ipod for too long
22:46:19*amiconn prepared some arm asm
22:47:57amiconnhrrm
22:48:46stripwaxis ipod/pp usb part of 3.0?
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22:52:52pixelmamost probably it's not
22:54:01gevaertsI'd say certainly. Even if we would manage to fix all known issues this week (unlikely...) that would only leave about a week for widespread testing
22:54:13gevaertsNot really enough IMHO
22:54:42saratogaplus the feature freeze started days ago
22:55:41gevaertsThat too, but even if it got ready the day before the feature freeze I wouldn't do it
22:56:50saratogarockbox 3.1 w/ PP USB + dual core then!
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23:01:00bertriksaratoga, and sansa charging
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23:06:51n1samiconn: do you think it makes sense to include rockboy in the release for archos targets?
23:08:54Bagderdoes rockboy on archos ever make sense?
23:09:14*Bagder admits never even have seen it on archos
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23:10:15*rasher draws up a release notes sketch
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23:43:18p3turamiconn: I can't immediately find where the old rec screen was supposed to show the detected frequency when recording spdif, got a hint where to look?
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23:43:44amiconnThat's why I said (2) was probably only partially implemented
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23:44:00peturhmm
23:44:15Dhraakellianshould the 3.0 feature freeze announcement be submitted to fsdaily?
23:44:16amiconnThe gain settings were definitely disabled
23:44:31peturSaw that, and fixed it
23:44:39gevaertsDhraakellian: why?
23:44:48Dhraakellianjust pondering
23:44:54LloreanI don't think the freeze is big news.
23:44:58LloreanThe release may be, when it happens.
23:45:06gevaertsThe freeze is basically an internal issue
23:45:09Dhraakellianokay
23:45:36*petur likes the fact that the freeze comes during the summer
23:45:40*Dhraakellian shrugs and wanders off
23:45:51Dhraakellianpetur: unless you're in the southern hemisphere
23:45:57*gevaerts puts some beer in the feature freeze
23:46:03Dhraakellianbut, being a northerner...
23:46:04*petur was waiting for that remark
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23:48:12*petur wonders where to get the detected frequency and goes searching
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23:52:56rasherhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseNotes30
23:53:05rasherFeel free to edit. In fact, please do.
23:53:57*petur wonders why he gets an errorpage
23:54:01amiconnpetur: Be careful - hwcodec also has s/pdif recording
23:55:29peturaaaargh.... I was accessing rockbox.org fine 2 minutes ago and now I only see the backup server :(
23:56:42peturamiconn: can hwcodec also report the detected samplerate?
23:56:48amiconnIt seems like this feature did indeed not exist
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23:57:08*petur is adding the feature
23:57:35amiconnNo. You'd have to figure it from the recorded mp3 frames (only possible during prerecording and actual recording, not in recpause)
23:58:01amiconnActually not from the frames, you can ask the MAS for the mp3 format word
23:58:36peturok, SWCODEC only for now ;)
23:58:45amiconn:(

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